Don't take this the wrong way Warren, just making an observation and I could be absolutely mistaken, but that preload seems like it's fairly tight up against that bearing? Wouldn't it be like any other truck, car and trailer bearing and you torque it down good and then back it off a quarter turn then set your lock? Not trying to upset you either, I'm just looking out for you and asking because I could be wrong myself.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Yeah, I'm not a Cat mechanic, so I'm sure you're right. It's just that I've tightened lots of car and truck bearings and you know how that works, so it just raised a question in my mind. Wasn't trying to check you or anything. I was just curious.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Update: I just found an old Cat corporate video from 1973 specifically on installing the outer bearing and adjusting and you're totally correct. They did it just like you did. My bad.
When you torque the outer piece with the cup in it to 350, the inner piece can only squeeze so far, so it's kind of like a preset preload if that makes sense.
Warren, talking about older generations, the SR-71 BlackBird was designed with pencils, paper and slide rulers. Awesome job Warren on rebuilding the final drives sprockets.
At the start of the video I thought holy hell, what happened to your hands! Then I upped the resolution and realized you had your gloves on. You are so smart wearing them as consistently as you do. Worries me when I see so many others do not. Keep the great content coming!
Warren I really appreciate your videos, I watched a guy trying to get a small diesel motor to run while making an attempt at teaching his viewers. I would not let him work on a lawn mower much less anything else. Needless to say he never got it to run. I thought to myself if Warren saw this guy he would probably laugh his butt off. What a joke that guy is. Watching your videos shows me what a real professional is all about. Thank you so much.
Good job Warren thank you for putting the lights in your shop also extra battery light. Like to see when put breaks on your fork truck.and fix your little fork truck.
There is probably a seal installer ring for that application. When I do not have the proper seal protector for a certain transmission I end up cutting a strip of plastic from a bottle or something that will help compress the seal. Plastic buckets are usually tapered, if you could find one close in size you would have to cut it down to the point that is the correct diameter. On the 4l80e the hardest thing to do is installing the seals for the 4th clutch housing, when I got started many years ago I struggled to install them and with practice now it takes about 3 minutes to get it together.
Is there enough room to screw that o-ring retainer back into place if you were to toss the retainer onto the axle then the o-ring, and then get the part started on to the axle? You could slide it up to the yoke and reattach the retainer.
That is my thought, and may be the reason that the retainer is separate. Otherwise they just could have machined a grove into the part and made it one piece.
The amazing part of it all is that the people who designed all the parts and accessories used a slide rule, a compass, a ruler, and common sense. No auto cad programs in them days. And on top of all of that, they designed it to last.
Thats why there were no bolts in retainer ring. the ring was put on, then o-ring ,then bracket. put short studs in housing, put retainer plate on, then o-ring, then housing and then put nuts on back to fasten retainer.
I wonder if you could leave the o-ring, yoke and retainer disassembled and put them on that center hub one piece at a time on your tailgate if that would allow you access to those screws then put the whole mess on that machine in one shot?
I would have thought you would use like a shim stock sheet under that o-ring to slide that unit on with, less chance of cutting that o-ring. Good job, great video content, thanks for sharing.....
Sorry about the lock ring deal guess I missed it that it didn’t have screws to hold but has another way to lock it in my fault thanks for your videos keep it up
If only you could have a tool for every job on every machine that exists. But then you would never find it amongst all the sheds of tools you would have. Amazing work Warren.
hello warren I was thinking about mounting the oring easier if you now place the metal ring and oring over the cylinder first and then the yellow bridge before sliding it over the bearing then you can lock the oring with that metal ring or sit than the teeth then in the road it will be heavier but that's it, greetings from johan from the Netherlands
I’m curious if you could have a piece of pipe lathed to size of the hub possibly a bit smaller to reverse the process of a ring compressor for a piston? Make sure everything is lubed up good then hopefully slide that piece right on?
Love the old machinery just wondering how many you have left to do seems like your bustin these out one after the other with stuff in between lol awesome job .
I agree about the manufacturing of old vs new. We always credit our modern world for “developing” so well. But all we have done is make developments to very old technology. Think of an engine. That is AMAZING to think about people way way back when thinking that up and making it happen. Bet if they didn’t, this modern world wouldn’t be able to think it up and make it work.
2/7/22; ...Stop!..2 🔩 🔩 bolts missing!Great to watch you assemble right side axel assembly...but stop!.. ✋!...final cap with casting 'shoulders' surrounding each hex bolt 🔩...saw you install all but 2 at your 11 & 1 o'clock positions, impact tighten...but you left out those two top bolts!! Then you went ahead with 'dust shield' covers...glaring little black holes 🕳 in end cap where those 2 bolts need to go! Hope I am wrong. But video shows 2 🔩 🔩 missing! Hope all good by the time of this comment. Always enjoy watching & listening you verbalize your process of repairs! So, after this Cat, how about returning to your big forklift for a sweet fix-up?👍👍👍🛠🧑🔧🍺
On that big 'O' ring, Can't you put the keeper plate on the axel then the 'O' ring and then slide the hub up to it a little way and leave enough space behind to put the retainer screws in with a short screwdriver? The video looks to show enough room
@ western truck and tractor repair Could you have put the back plate on without the screws then the o-ring and last the front side. Then screw in together? Would you have enough room to get the screws installed?
Could you not have assembled the O ring assembly on the bench? I'm guessing that with the o ring stretched onto the centre boss you could put it together and screw the retaining ring on.
Question for you, could a guy have a lead in chamfer on the end of that hub that receives that o-ring that is so difficult to install, let’s say double in length of the thickness of the o-ring and possibly .010” larger than I.D. Of the o-ring. I know it is easy to be a arm chair quarterback and say you should do this or that but not being there and knowing for sure what all is involved in the assembly process it’s always best to ask questions. I know from experience lead in chamfer always helped in my assembly processes. Thanks for the ride along sir, great vid.
Hi Warren, watching you fight getting that O seal setted .. Would it be worth putting the heavy duty rubber straps X2 ( like you use to hold your tyre chains on ) round the drive cog and the seal holder to keep a constant pressure against the seal when you are pushing the seal into the groove .. May help stop it sliding all over the hub... Keep up the good work.. Love watching the Vids.. Andy UK
I am getting bad vibrations about preloading the bearings that much, with that much torque there has to be tons of pressure on those bearing. I think I would call Tony and ask him if that is correct.
hi Warren . if you put that screw on flange on the axle boss then the 0 ring next . then the outer housing . and then screw it all together . then fit the whole unit on as one unit onto the axle ?
Hello Warren. If you don't mind me asking. I was wanting to know what Make your Adjustable C spanner is. We repair a lot of hydraulic Rams to bits and sometimes need a good C spanner.
I'm thinking the last person to put that O ring on, left the plate off the part so that they could assemble it easier. Put the plate on, put on the O ring then put on the frame holder. Figuring there is no reason to hold the O ring to the frame holder. Laziness.
All a guy needs is two more hands. I'm sure you feel the same way I do if I could clone myself I'd have at least one good employee! Still work circles around the young fellers.
You didn’t put the screws on the lock ring to hold the nut in place on this .. review last ten minutes of video to check it out hope you get this or that someone else fought it also…
Warren- *@**34:40* Did you ever see a "Lip Wizard" tool made by Transtec, for installing the piston in a clutch pack for a car automatic transmission? It's just basically a slice of thin, curved plastic, like a Cool Whip bowl lid. The one edge is sanded smooth and very thin, to act like a "shoe horn" on the seal lip. Here's a video of it. I can imagine this would be much safer and easier than a screwdriver. th-cam.com/video/NxOQJ4mvz7Y/w-d-xo.html When installing O-rings like that- could a few placed shims work? After the piece is pushed enough, simply pull the shims out. Maybe a few leaves of a feeler gauge, placed around the O-ring, then pulled out as it's pressed? You get my drift? Just trying to help.
So my brother lives in Palm Springs he told me you can’t have a diesel older than 10 years old, also they’re banning all gas powered lawnmowers weedeaters blowers etc. also no barbecuing is allowed you can’t use charcoal briquettes WTF now I know why people are leaving California
I’m just here looking for someone to ride a motorcycle with me. Must wear a mask at all times, and a helmet, and the motorcycle must be electric, and you can’t identify as a male or female. And it is strictly forbidden that you have any fun. Actually wear 2 masks
Don't take this the wrong way Warren, just making an observation and I could be absolutely mistaken, but that preload seems like it's fairly tight up against that bearing? Wouldn't it be like any other truck, car and trailer bearing and you torque it down good and then back it off a quarter turn then set your lock? Not trying to upset you either, I'm just looking out for you and asking because I could be wrong myself.
Well if the book specifically says use a 5 foot cheater I would suppose it's supposed to be tight.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Yeah, I'm not a Cat mechanic, so I'm sure you're right. It's just that I've tightened lots of car and truck bearings and you know how that works, so it just raised a question in my mind. Wasn't trying to check you or anything. I was just curious.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Update: I just found an old Cat corporate video from 1973 specifically on installing the outer bearing and adjusting and you're totally correct. They did it just like you did. My bad.
When you torque the outer piece with the cup in it to 350, the inner piece can only squeeze so far, so it's kind of like a preset preload if that makes sense.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Yeah, I suppose there's quite a bit of thought which goes into cat engineering that I didn't take into consideration.
Warren, talking about older generations, the SR-71 BlackBird was designed with pencils, paper and slide rulers. Awesome job Warren on rebuilding the final drives sprockets.
Great video Warren, that o ring looked to be a pain in the arse, but was glad when it finally cooperated, and heard the relief in your voice.
At the start of the video I thought holy hell, what happened to your hands! Then I upped the resolution and realized you had your gloves on. You are so smart wearing them as consistently as you do. Worries me when I see so many others do not. Keep the great content coming!
It’s good to see you’re not struggling with the knee pain. Finally piecing that beast back together.👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the education. You certainly are adept, intelligent, and talented. And fun to watch.
Warren I really appreciate your videos, I watched a guy trying to get a small diesel motor to run while making an attempt at teaching his viewers. I would not let him work on a lawn mower much less anything else. Needless to say he never got it to run. I thought to myself if Warren saw this guy he would probably laugh his butt off. What a joke that guy is. Watching your videos shows me what a real professional is all about. Thank you so much.
Watch Wes Work, he not such a bad guy. Shame on you.
Good job Warren thank you for putting the lights in your shop also extra battery light. Like to see when put breaks on your fork truck.and fix your little fork truck.
Great series Warren I really enjoy your work ethic and your informative videos. Keep up the great work.
To be honest i love looking at older equipment sometimes amazes me how the engeneerd and built stuff
There is probably a seal installer ring for that application. When I do not have the proper seal protector for a certain transmission I end up cutting a strip of plastic from a bottle or something that will help compress the seal. Plastic buckets are usually tapered, if you could find one close in size you would have to cut it down to the point that is the correct diameter.
On the 4l80e the hardest thing to do is installing the seals for the 4th clutch housing, when I got started many years ago I struggled to install them and with practice now it takes about 3 minutes to get it together.
Is there enough room to screw that o-ring retainer back into place if you were to toss the retainer onto the axle then the o-ring, and then get the part started on to the axle? You could slide it up to the yoke and reattach the retainer.
That is my thought, and may be the reason that the retainer is separate. Otherwise they just could have machined a grove into the part and made it one piece.
My thoughts also.
The amazing part of it all is that the people who designed all the parts and accessories used a slide rule, a compass, a ruler, and common sense. No auto cad programs in them days. And on top of all of that, they designed it to last.
simple yet reliable
Thats why there were no bolts in retainer ring. the ring was put on, then o-ring ,then bracket. put short studs in housing, put retainer plate on, then o-ring, then housing and then put nuts on back to fasten retainer.
Thank You Warren. Known as a 'C' spanner. Mostly used in engineering for collets in machines. Like you say 'bit vague on the torque settings.'
Looks like another good job Warren, You stay safe & Pat the Pups.
First!!! I'm never surprised anymore with what other people do to machines. Thanks Warren!
I wonder if you could leave the o-ring, yoke and retainer disassembled and put them on that center hub one piece at a time on your tailgate if that would allow you access to those screws then put the whole mess on that machine in one shot?
Could you have installed the screws in the o-ring retainer ring after you put the o-ring over the hub and than slid the casting on partially.
I would have thought you would use like a shim stock sheet under that o-ring to slide that unit on with, less chance of cutting that o-ring. Good job, great video content, thanks for sharing.....
Sorry about the lock ring deal guess I missed it that it didn’t have screws to hold but has another way to lock it in my fault thanks for your videos keep it up
If only you could have a tool for every job on every machine that exists. But then you would never find it amongst all the sheds of tools you would have. Amazing work Warren.
Hey warren I have notice your help hasn’t been around?? Keep up the good work
He quit over a month ago.
Always encouraging to reduce the parts pile hey
If you were to use a thin piece of plastic cutting bord it would go around axel between o ring and it would be a sleev to make it easier
hello warren
I was thinking about mounting the oring easier
if you now place the metal ring and oring over the cylinder first and then the yellow bridge before sliding it over the bearing
then you can lock the oring with that metal ring or sit than the teeth then in the road
it will be heavier but that's it,
greetings from johan from the Netherlands
I’m curious if you could have a piece of pipe lathed to size of the hub possibly a bit smaller to reverse the process of a ring compressor for a piston? Make sure everything is lubed up good then hopefully slide that piece right on?
Love the old machinery just wondering how many you have left to do seems like your bustin these out one after the other with stuff in between lol awesome job .
Great video Warren it's coming along nicely. Looking forward to the rest of the under carriage reassembly stay safe.
I agree about the manufacturing of old vs new. We always credit our modern world for “developing” so well. But all we have done is make developments to very old technology.
Think of an engine. That is AMAZING to think about people way way back when thinking that up and making it happen. Bet if they didn’t, this modern world wouldn’t be able to think it up and make it work.
2/7/22; ...Stop!..2 🔩 🔩 bolts missing!Great to watch you assemble right side axel assembly...but stop!.. ✋!...final cap with casting 'shoulders' surrounding each hex bolt 🔩...saw you install all but 2 at your 11 & 1 o'clock positions, impact tighten...but you left out those two top bolts!! Then you went ahead with 'dust shield' covers...glaring little black holes 🕳 in end cap where those 2 bolts need to go! Hope I am wrong. But video shows 2 🔩 🔩 missing! Hope all good by the time of this comment. Always enjoy watching & listening you verbalize your process of repairs! So, after this Cat, how about returning to your big forklift for a sweet fix-up?👍👍👍🛠🧑🔧🍺
On that big 'O' ring, Can't you put the keeper plate on the axel then the 'O' ring and then slide the hub up to it a little way and leave enough space behind to put the retainer screws in with a short screwdriver? The video looks to show enough room
Man, you put in such hard hours! Always impressed with your work! Good job!
And that is why everybody has that blasted old bolt box, there’s been a lot of gutter and washing machine in my vehicles over the years !
@ western truck and tractor repair Could you have put the back plate on without the screws then the o-ring and last the front side. Then screw in together? Would you have enough room to get the screws installed?
Could you not have assembled the O ring assembly on the bench? I'm guessing that with the o ring stretched onto the centre boss you could put it together and screw the retaining ring on.
Fantastic video, very interesting 👍
Great videos. Out of curiosity, does anyone make a sleeve type installer for that o-ring? Like you would see on an engine main seal?
Yeah I think any nearby cat dealership will be able to sell it
PUT THE PLATE ON THEN O RING THEN SUPPORT THEN USE RIGHT ANGLE SCREW DRIVER TO PUT THE SCREWS IN FROM THE BACK
Wow what a job eh,the old girl will soon crawl out of the shop.
Great informative video .
Thanks for sharing Warren
Great work ....
Your knowlage is just insane good work warren man oh man did a lot of work on those cats cant wait to see you fix more cats agin 👍👨🏻🏭👍🔧
Question for you, could a guy have a lead in chamfer on the end of that hub that receives that o-ring that is so difficult to install, let’s say double in length of the thickness of the o-ring and possibly .010” larger than I.D. Of the o-ring. I know it is easy to be a arm chair quarterback and say you should do this or that but not being there and knowing for sure what all is involved in the assembly process it’s always best to ask questions. I know from experience lead in chamfer always helped in my assembly processes. Thanks for the ride along sir, great vid.
Hi Warren, watching you fight getting that O seal setted .. Would it be worth putting the heavy duty rubber straps X2 ( like you use to hold your tyre chains on ) round the drive cog and the seal holder to keep a constant pressure against the seal when you are pushing the seal into the groove .. May help stop it sliding all over the hub... Keep up the good work.. Love watching the Vids.. Andy UK
For all you guys worrying about the bearing preload tn Eaton reduction axles the torque is 400 ft pounds back off then snug up the nut
I am getting bad vibrations about preloading the bearings that much, with that much torque there has to be tons of pressure on those bearing. I think I would call Tony and ask him if that is correct.
Read the pinned comment, I'm tired of explaining this, it is correct.
Great video! Wish your work ethic would spread like a pandemic
Can't compete with the government cheese.
That would make America great again, current administration wouldn't approve...
Warren seems pretty calm must be having a good day.👍 Your video was very good, thank you for your hard work. 😎
hi Warren . if you put that screw on flange on the axle boss then the 0 ring next . then the outer housing . and then screw it all together . then fit the whole unit on as one unit onto the axle ?
One tough O ring install....Whew...
Hello Warren. If you don't mind me asking. I was wanting to know what Make your Adjustable C spanner is. We repair a lot of hydraulic Rams to bits and sometimes need a good C spanner.
Otc
Thanks for sharing bud take care now!👍
You too.
Awesome video Warren thanks for your time and consideration top job very informative thanks 🚜🚛🚜🚛🚜🚛🔨🔧🛠️
Hats off to you dude. I couldn't be a mechanic. I would have set fire to the thing.
Last time I was this early my employer complained I wasn't delivering on time
Good vids on cat’s Warren
I enjoyed watching the cat undercarriage overhauls. 👌👌
🤙🤙👍👍
Just needed a little hair around that final drive hub. lol
Is that sprocket still lose it looked like it moved when you put the bearing on ?
Yes it will be till you get the retainer on and set the preload.
Thanks fur the video Warren.
Warren a old mechanic told me when in doubt tighten it till it stripes then back off a 1/4 turn. LOL 😆 🤣
No Trent anymore ?
He quit a month ago.
I'm thinking the last person to put that O ring on, left the plate off the part so that they could assemble it easier. Put the plate on, put on the O ring then put on the frame holder. Figuring there is no reason to hold the O ring to the frame holder. Laziness.
All a guy needs is two more hands. I'm sure you feel the same way I do if I could clone myself I'd have at least one good employee! Still work circles around the young fellers.
Maybe I missed it I'm dumb what's the customer these cats for ?
Strawberries
They lay plastic sheet over the fields for fumigation
Very good job 👏!
Thanks for the great videos 🇺🇸👍
or maybe assemble whole outer bearing assembly with housing then put the whole works on as a unit
You didn’t put the screws on the lock ring to hold the nut in place on this .. review last ten minutes of video to check it out hope you get this or that someone else fought it also…
You made 20 grand on this job?
What ever happened to your four legged companions? Daisy and duke.
Retired, they got scared to leave the house cuz of COVID.
Thank you for the video, Warren.
excellent vid warren the one man gang
Might catch heck for that bearing
Still good work
That's okay, I have a delete button.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 🤣
You probably don't need them, but you forgot the two bolts at 11 and 1 o'clock.
It's called too many projects going on once. Thanks for sharing.
I can imagine after they get their invoice they gonna be all over those grease guns..
Does it remind you of a funeral when the bell sounds...?
simple minded what a load bull $%#$ I wish I was as simple minded as you then keep up good work.
Warren-
*@**34:40*
Did you ever see a "Lip Wizard" tool made by Transtec, for installing the piston
in a clutch pack for a car automatic transmission? It's just basically a slice
of thin, curved plastic, like a Cool Whip bowl lid. The one edge is sanded smooth
and very thin, to act like a "shoe horn" on the seal lip.
Here's a video of it. I can imagine this would be much safer and easier
than a screwdriver. th-cam.com/video/NxOQJ4mvz7Y/w-d-xo.html
When installing O-rings like that- could a few placed shims work? After
the piece is pushed enough, simply pull the shims out. Maybe a few leaves
of a feeler gauge, placed around the O-ring, then pulled out as it's pressed?
You get my drift? Just trying to help.
great job keep the coning.
Geeting close for sure ! Think of the floor space you will see when this last girl is outside !
"Somebody had it apart." Dude, it's a D4D, it ain't no virgin. Edit : Plate, o-ring and then holder.
Yes! Your wrench DOES qualify as a nut wrecking spanner!
So my brother lives in Palm Springs he told me you can’t have a diesel older than 10 years old, also they’re banning all gas powered lawnmowers weedeaters blowers etc. also no barbecuing is allowed you can’t use charcoal briquettes WTF now I know why people are leaving California
Commies is what they are.
you are a very hard worker not meany left be prald at your sels have a good day
Thanks for the share Warren! hit the like button folks!
The answer to your question, no the scanner is NOT a proper “nut fucker”
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Thank you for the video Warren, I see Google decided to delete my comment again, thank You again.
Don't feel left out, they delete mine all the time.
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With the 5ft bar it's torked to255 .55 pounds NOT BANANA'S POUNDS
February 7, 1804 - John Deere’s birthday
That oring installation is ridiculous,poor engineeering on Cats part in my opinion.
I’m just here looking for someone to ride a motorcycle with me. Must wear a mask at all times, and a helmet, and the motorcycle must be electric, and you can’t identify as a male or female. And it is strictly forbidden that you have any fun. Actually wear 2 masks
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