There is overlap in terms of performance and spec, high end DDR3 is very easily the same or better than a lot of the low end DDR4 out there depending on the clocks and timing.
@@MrKillswitch88 Same in the DDR4 Vs DDR5 like a 4400 DDR4 CL17 kit for big money... The thing is you can just simply buy much higher MHz for much lower price on the next DDR gen however the timings also keep going crazy high...
@@guily6669 This has been a thing since around 1999/2000 when RDRAM then later DDR1 was introduced which kept SDR around for a little longer till DDR became the standard. RDRAM was hot and crazy expensive at the time and had horrendous latency to match. My thinking it is usually better to change over mid to late in the life cycle of any standard due to better pricing and better overall kits vs buying in early. Besides cost I don't like kits with horrendous timings especially for laptops when the difference in cpu performance for example can be up to 20% easy sometimes more.
@@MrKillswitch88 Hell yeah I totally remember those times. I always wish to have a top tier kit never could afford however I also never had the cheapest crap that have the worse timings or low frequency... I'm in the process of buying a high tier 16GBx2 DDR4 4400 CL17 G.skill Ripjaw TridentZ RGB used, hope it all goes well however I likely won't get the clocks at those timings for sure on my crap Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite which have never been good for mem OC from what I always heard and my old 8700K mem controller. But I still dream to have the kit running at advertised clocks\timings or close to them while the kit being actually fully working with 0 errors. Ps: and I sure know there was many ppl with luck buying random crazy cheap generic ram kits that had Samsung B die out of eBay and can OC like crazy, but nowadays it's hard to find a good cheap one that will OC to the max... FINGERS CROSSED 😎
@@guily6669I have an i5 9400f which is locked to 2666 mhz ram. I bought a 32 gb kit of 3600MHz CL 16 and set it to 2666mhz CL 14. No clue if this CL timings actually make any difference, but she is stable 😂. Surprisingly this 32gb lexar hades set of ram was on sale for $60 some months ago haha
Until early 2023, I was rocking a Dell Precision workstation with an x79 quad-core Xeon, GTX Titan X 12GB, 24 gigs of DDR3, and a 2x4TB 7200RPM HDD in Raid 0. It was an absolute beast considering its old age. However, in late January of 2023, my work gave me (and let me keep) a new Dell Precision mobile workstation, with a 14-core 12900HK, 64GB DDR5, RTX A4000, and 2TB NVMe SSD. The DDR3 system, hand-down from my dad, served me well throughout its life as my main PC, and is still my NAS now.
For the longest time I was running a dual Xeon server motherboard as my desktop. had a pair of 2650v2s and 192gb(24x8) of DDR3 ECC memory in a supermicro motherboard. It was by far the cheapest way to build a workstation with the memory capacity I needed for data science. The whole system cost $400 and was built from salvaged parts or liquidation auctions.
I got a Dell t5600 with 2 2680v1s and 128 128 gigs of ram and a 1080ti.. whole thing cost me about 200 bucks.. and 150 was the gpu lol. I’m looking to put Linux on it though because I’m getting sick of Microsoft’s bs.
I really recommend a dual boot. I know people are still skeptical even though it's far more reliable now, but with a GRUB bootloader you can boot off a second physical drive for windows and Linux complete file systems
@@johns3655 +1 for the grub bootloader promotion. -3 for the dual boot suggestion. Nobody needs windows bloatware on any system without genuine necessity these days.
Fiancée was using a Haswell i5 4460 with RX580 until very recently. RDR2 ran fine. She has upgraded to an 5800X3D and 6650XT now and RDR2 still runs fine, but now with all the details set to highest. Pro tip for anyone with an AMD FX system: Set your Windows power profile to High Performance. This used to make a huge difference back when I had my 8150 and 1070Ti.
I would recommend selling the R7 5800X3D though don't get me wrong it is a very good cpu , the gpu you have paired with it is not making it run at full potential and unless your fiancee does video editing you don't need a powerful cpu instead put that money into a Rx 6700xt or 6800 for gaming that would be nice though if you plan on upgrading her gpu in future then it is good "Future proof" of a cpu.
@@chills5100Thanks, but the 5800X3D definitely suits her use-case and the 6650XT is a 2X increase versus the previous RX580. She is a gamer, but she’s also doing other things on her PC that benefit from more CPU. There is also a PSU constraint that puts higher Wattage GPUs behind an additional paywall of around £150. Even going up to a 6700XT would be an expensive option and just not worth it versus the 1080p gaming she does. I watched her play some RDR2 last night with all details set to high and it was maintaining 60FPS quite happily.
One of the reasons that the 6600 seemed like it was at 100% on the AM3 system is that AM3 used PCIE 2.0 X16, whereas the 6600 runs PCIE 4.0 X8, so you can’t use the full bandwidth of the slot anyway, but it also gets bottlenecks by the older standard.
Ddr2 is dinosaur slow in this day and age even compared to ddr3. plus any cpu using ddr2 is not worth running anymore simply because of how much you pay on electricity running the thing. Honestly if i was you i would switch to at least ddr3 due to the low cost of hardware at this time and you will pay off your purchase on your electricity bill alone. too many people dont consider how much different hardware costs to run.
Having recently upgraded from an i5-3570K, I put my current 6700 XT on it just out of curiosity. Honestly... not as bad as I was expecting. 100% CPU usage was frequent, but it handled itself well considering its age. Framerates/times weren't terrible, either.
Yeah, we've reached a point where upgrading every few years... or even every 10 years isn't needed for a lot of people. Sure, for the newest AAA games, content creation, CAD, etc. you'll probably need to upgrade. But for light use even 10+ year old systems are still pretty solid
@@aChairLeg Certainly. That said, it is light years behind my current R7 7700X, but I would certainly _hope_ so. If you put a more reasonable GPU in it such as the 6600 you used here, you could certainly get by. The only real problem is the lack of instruction sets like AVX2.
I still game at 1440p upscaled to 4K using RSR on an overclocked 4790k / 5700XT with 0 issues, CPU has never bottlenecked me even in titles like Starfield. I was planning an upgrade but with lower spec hardware like the Steam Deck forcing better optimizations, I think I can even get another few years out of this setup.
@@philipdaian8386 Given the small IPC increase and the additional instruction sets that Sandy/Ivy Bridge don't support, I would be inclined to agree. You'll probably be okay for another 2-3 years yet, but I'm not sure beyond that.
I rocked that cpu from 2012 to 2020. It was rock solid, but I noticed that when I making music the processor was showing its age. So I went amd in 2020 and now instead 80-100% cpu uses and now only 15-20%.
I finally went from DDR3R to DDR4 when I built a Ryzen Hackintosh, and repurposed my Early 2009 Mac Pro, as a home server after generally being on DDR3, since 2009. Honestly, even these old LGA1366 systems-Mac or PC-are still very useful-especially when upgraded with NVMe SSDs. Also DDR3R is next to WORTHLESS per GB; Already upgraded two different Mac Pro 4,1 units to 192GB (6x32GB) RAM after getting full 256GB kits for around $80 each (and while I can utilize all 256GB, 192GB is MUCH faster due to triple-channel).
Same 4790k devil canion , msi z97 kraith with rtx 3060ti and 32gb ram 2200mhz,2ssd raid and 2 sshd raid ,cpu up to 80-95 usage in new game ,still rock 👍 to this day,m2 on this mb maxim 800mb/s ,normal ssd in raid read up 1200mb/s 😉 tested
I built my DDR3 system back in late 2015 and am still using it today. I started out with 8GBs of corsair vengeance ram clocked at 1333MHz which was later upgraded to 16GBs a couple of years later. I'm still running an I5-4690K and an EVGA GTX 970. I plan on upgrading soon as I have a 1440p monitor and am not willing to lower the graphics or resolution of the games I play. I also plan on getting into game development, 3D modeling, and video editing which all require me to make some hardware changes.
One thing that would make the x79 build a fair bit better in the productivity tests would be if you had 4 sticks of ram in it instead of 2, as one of the big selling points for the LGA2011 socket was the quad-channel ram.
not necessarily i see no difference running quad vs triple vs dual chan for productivity namely video editing. its *nice though that i can populate all 8 slots for 128GB :)
My DDR3 is alive and still doing great. Not dead. Still running a 4.8ghz 4790k/5700xt/2133 CL9 - very well balanced system, GPUbusy is perfectly synced in all my games- no bottlenecks, maybe even a tiny bit of headroom. These sorts of systems make for great cheap 4k gaming rigs. It's not practical but if you wanted to at 4k you can pair a 4790k (or similar like 2011 Xeon you tested) with a 4080 or 4090 and get minimum bottlenecking- even with raytracing turned on. There are many videos about it on here on YT, CPUs become almost insignificant at very high resolutions.
saying a 4790k with a 5700xt is "perfectly balanced" is delusional lol maybe if you avoid CPU heavy games, and claiming that you'd have a fine experience with a 4080 and anything raytracing/dlss with that CPU is even more delusional. anything more powerful than a gtx 1080 makes no sense for something like a 4790
I have a PC with an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 1tb sata SSD, and an RX 480. Because I don't use it anymore since my main PC is *way* faster, I will likely give it to my mom so she can play games with my brother and me. I say all this to say: 1. While I knew the 4770 could handle a newer GPU than an RX 480, it's a little surprising to me that I could put an RX 6600 in the PC as an upgrade and it wouldn't always be bottlenecked by the CPU. 2. The motherboard in the PC is not a Z87/Z97 board, rather it's an H-87 board. I won't lie, I am a bit worried about it's longevity despite the physical condition being pretty good to me, and while upgrading my mom to something on the AM4 platform would be great, I'd rather upgrade the GPU.
My poor 4790k ran on 4.8GHz for nearly 8 years. I recently upgraded to an i9 7980xe because ddr4 became dirt cheap and I wanted a System that could last for another 8 years. 44 pcie lanes are AWESOME! Nice video 👍 Greetings from Germany
@@NikosM112 The integrated memory controller in the 6th and 7th gen cpus supports both types, yes, but I don't think there were any mobos with both slots like they were for the ddr2/ddr3 and earlier for ddr/ddr2.
Just as a little side note there are some x99 boards and cpus that that support ddr3. The e5-2666 v3 machinist x99 g7. Looking forward to the ddr2 vid!
@@aChairLegand I just saw the video in my feed again and remembered that all 1151 cpus work with ddr3 so the 9900k can technically use ddr3. Although I do not believe there was ever a official mb. You would need to bios mod a z170 and brige/block pins on the 9900k. But it has been done before.
Im still rocking my old buldozer Asus ROG Crosshair V Formula - Z AMD FX 8350 8 core OC to 4.4Ghz Asus ROG Strix RX 570 4GB Gaming OC to 1314Mhz 4x4 Corsair 1600Mhz 16GB DDR3 AMD Wraith Prism RGB cooler
Hello.. Have you ever played GTAV? If yes.. what was the results? I'm not looking for detailed results.. I'm just looking for "how high graphic setting can you play?"
You'd be surprised by the amount of ddr3 pc still being built . That too with 4th gen processors at most and 4GB Ram. They're pretty much every guy's first gaming pc AND permanent pcs in small businesses. Not to mention core 2duo lga775 with 2gb ddr2 Ram.
holy shit that sounds epic, i had 2 rare ddr3 775 Mainboards they were intresting, however its sad to see them slowly die out since they are not being producef
I7 4790k rx 590 has ran well to this day. Might pass it down to my lil brother whenever i can transfer it to a smaller case since this nzxt h440 is huge
there's people in latinamerica still using ddr2 systems for esports. systems with the 775 socket are a plague, they're everywhere, so these are the chespest solution. they also pair those with gt710's, 1030's, rx550's, 1050ti's or whatever they can get their hands on. i knew someone who bought a gt210 because having a graphics card on his computer meant he was cool, it was a pentium E system. he spent $40 on a brand new gt210 because technology is very expensive in my country.
I used to run an i7 3770 with at first a dell optiplex 7010 motherboard, then a 3010, then a micro itx board from gigabyte for the past 3 years up until recently with 20 gigs of ram. It was good for lightweight games like minecraft, overwatch 2, beamng and some others at the time. Browsing and simple editing was good, but the one problem with it all was stuttering from slow ram and a small bottleneck with my gpu. They're good if you can build one for dirt cheap for simple gaming, but once you start playing some of the newer games, it shows its age.
same here with the 3770, its ok with 1600mhz ram, if you have a 4k monitor its good with a 6600xt or an rtx3060 at most since for 1080p it bottlenecks even a 1050ti or rx570, tho I have another rig with a 2500k at 4,5ghz that is better at 1080p with those cards but uses double the power...
Dude, youre literally my current favourite Tech channel rn. Ive literally been binge watching all the videos on your channel for the past couple of days. Love the content and Inspired by it, keep up the good work ma dude!! P.S literally had the same build as you till about a week ago lol, Used to rock an FX-6300 and 12gb of ram and a GT730 💀since 2013 to 2023. Upgraded to a lenovo legion 2021 for Architecture college Demands!. R7 5800H and RTX3060, I literally CANNOT believe the FPS im getting and how smooth the whole computer runs.
Still rocking my Lenovo Thinkcentre M93p with a Xeon E3 1230v3, 32GB of DDR3 RAM and a low profile GTX 1650! It was a big upgrade from an i3 2130 and 2GB of RAM.
They're still making modules, bought an gskill kit earlier this year for one of my laptops and it was only a month old from manufacturing when I got it in the mail.
I'm still using a X58 board with a Xeon W3690 as a secondary setup (12gb DDR3 in Triple-Channel), watching this video from this system right now actually. I'm often shocked at how well this thing can still perform. Been playing some Baldur's Gate 3 on it with mostly no issues recently. Old systems are fun sometimes.
I also play the latest game on my "ASUS P6T" mobo with 48GB ram and a overclocked Xeon X5675 to 5Ghz. All graphics on max settings except resolution (1440p), with an easy 120+ FPS.
Honestly what kills budget AM3 builds nowadays is the fact that those CPU's don't have any multithreading. That FX-8120 you used is 8 cores and 8 threads unlike modern Ryzen 7's that are 8 cores and 16 threads. LGA2011 seems like the way to go for budget builds using DDR3 but i'm sure that by looking carefully you could find 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's and go DDR4 and AM4. But to me it seems like LGA2011 is the way to go for a budget build using DDR3. And i know how it feels to change entire platforms, back in August i went from Phenom II and DDR3 to 5th gen Ryzen and DDR4. The difference that it makes is unbelievable.
Bruh what? you claim they dont have any multithreading and then in the next sentence say they have 8 core and 8 threads? that means multihreaded bro. if it wasnt it had 8 cores 0 threads.
He means what Intel calls Hyperthreading and what AMD calls Simultaneous Multithreading. That’s where you have two threads per physical CPU core. What a lot of AMD chips lacked back in the day, was single core speed. Their instructions-per-cycle was very low so they would perform poorly in games that did not utilise all those cores, and many games didn’t back then. Games that multithreaded well would perform good on these systems, but games that primarily used one or two cores would perform better on even a Pentium chip of the era. When we got to the FX-8000 series, AMD was truly hilarious. These chips performed so poorly in single core tasks that it lacked behind severely in a lot of games. The FX-9000 were just 8000 chips with the core clock turned all the way up, resulting in hilarious TDP and some of the chips had watercooling as a requirement because they ran so damn hot.
@@99domini99 mostly true but the amd fx chips had a lot of potentially with the proper overclock. I remember my amd fx 6350 sitting at 2.6ghz on the Northbridge and 4.8 on the core. Ram was around 2300mhz. Being from the Netherlands heat was never really a issue but she still ran hot as fuck on some games, but an absolute monster. Had it from 2016 until last year.
I planned to upgrade my Haswell system for one last time, but after careful thought, Its not worth it and best to get a more recent or latest specs. These where my spec plan: • Asus H81M-K --> Asus Maximus VII Gene • DDR3 1600 --> DDR3 2133 • 4790 --> 4790K (repaste TIM for better cooling preferably Liquid metal) I have ditched this plan and moved on with 13th gen and a B760M Mobo
Literally still have the same motherboard and DDR3 ram since 2016. Ive known for years my motherboard has been the issue of some of my weird PC issues for years along with my RAM, so im finally ripping the bandaid off and getting a new motherboard with a CPU and ram which is all pretty cheap. Fixing my current build to hand it down to my younger brother as i plan on getting a pre built sometime end of the year or early next.
I won't give up my very rare DDR3-2200 8-8-8-24. It's a 2GBx2 kit from Super Talent. It's made in the USA. RAM easily can hit like 2000 7-7-7-21. Lowest timings I got with it is 1t-5-6-5-20 at 1400 MHz on a Phenom II x6 1055t. It is very fun ram kit to mess with. On 2020 I went to buy the FX 8350 to try to push the ram again and easily hit 7-7-7-21 at 2000. First time in 10 years because it was always on the Phenom II system with highest memory clock at 1600. Even though its 4GB ram system does the job and its still fast for the older games no need to upgrade. I did try out Valorant and manage to have stable 150 fps on the FX 8350 with GTX 580. It beat out the Pentium G4400 (Skylake) which surprise me. I had to cap the Pentium system at 45 fps to keep it from hitting 100% CPU usage. It was very terrible experience.
1150 has life in it to this day. with xeon pricing and the mitigating advantage of their much bigger l3 cache, ddr3 is barely an object. Hell, an 1150 xeon paired with ecc ram will run even smoother thanks to the low latency of ecc dimms. pcie3 isn't great anymore, a lot of ultra budget cards get throttled (looking at you amd) but an older mid range card will fly.
Just so you know, there are LGA2011-3 motherboards on the X99 chipset that have DDR3 slots and support Xeon V3 CPUs, not all of them but around half of V3 xeons support DDR3 ram as well as DDR4 so if you get a DDR3 board and something like an E5-2673v3 you will get a bunch more perfomance running on cheap DDR3 ram.
I've noticed that the top spec CPU for any socket is way more expensive than other CPUs. I guess people just want an easy upgrade on the platform they already own. This creates a demand for the top spec and a supply of lower spec CPUs.
Right now the best price to performance for building a pc is here. a $600 computer from 2014 is good for 720p gaming, a $600 computer now can do 1080p. $1000 is for 1440p ultra graphics.
My i7 4790k and GTX 980 (both overclocked to the max) held me strong from 2016 until 2024 on 1080p 60fps until it couldn't keep up with 60 fps on helldivers 2. Upgraded to 7800x3D and 7900XT and it runs my new 1440p 144hz ultrawide very nicely :)
today the final piece for my new pc is arriving, but i used an fx-8350 and a 1050ti with 16gb of ram from when i was 13 until today (i'm 19). I needed to change my old ddr3 pc and build a ddr5 one for faster memory and cpu (i edit lots of videos), but if i was using my pc just for gaming i would honestly just upgrade to a 1080ti and i probably still would be able to play most games in 1080p medium/high settings. At the same time... editing videos is insanely slow and laggy, even at 1/4 the resolution.
Currently running a 4790k @4.7ghz and DDR3 at 2133mhz. I game at 1440p on maximum graphics settings and haven't really had any issues with bottlenecking. At higher resolutions/graphics settings, CPU performance doesnt seem to matter all that much.
Optiplex's are great budget gaming PCs. Got a 5040 with an i7 6700 24gb DDR3 RAM and a 4gb AMD 6400. It can't run some newer high requirement games like cyberpunk but I meet 98% of minimum requirements on canyourunit. Maybe $200 in the build for the PC GPU and a couple extra RAM sticks.
I had DDR3 with XMP set to 2400 Mhz which is not bad at all. Paired with 4790K and I could eaisly push majority of my games above 60 fps - some of them much, much higher. Windows 10 still supports it. I was able to play some games even with path tracing at very playable framerate.
To give you an apples to apples comparison, I put all of my older optiplex hardware into a newer one. This means I went from 3rd gen i5 and ddr3, to 6th gen i5 and ddr4. Same GPU, same SSD, etc. This was when I was playing COD daily for testing. Side by side in game, I gained 10FPS. That sounds great, but my "experience" was not HUGE improvement. In fact, I really couldn't feel the difference outside of the FPS counter. Of course, more demanding titles would show a larger gap. So, for anyone that says DDR3 vs DDR4 will change your life I would argue otherwise. I sold the 6th gen and went back home to 3rd gen.
Still on ddr3 32 GB, i7 3770 oc@4.2 and 4070 - works great so far but will switch to new one soon i hope :), Doing also Blender and can still handle some good scenes.🤓
Just because something is getting oblolete, it doesn't become dead. About a year ago, I bought a brand-new 2GB DDR3 module to slightly speed up my old netbook that came with 1GB. Now I have a newer Dell notebook that I use for work, but the netbook is still good for text editing, some basic coding and gaming, and surfing simple websites. From an SSD, it boots up into Debian surprisingly rapidly.
I skipped over DDR3 entirely, going from my Core2 Duo with DDR2 RAM to my current rig which is a Core i5 6600k with DDR4. The DDR2 board still works, as about two or three years ago I bought a power supply, new hard drive and some extra RAM, and got it up and running with Windows XP and Windows 7 in a dual boot config. It has 7 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6850 graphics card with 1 GB of GDDR5 VRAM. That system is a bit finicky in its old age though as it will occasionally lock up during the boot process, requiring a reboot.
When I built my PC in January 2017, the original bottleneck was the fact that I installed my 8GB 2400MHz DDR4 RAM in single channel, so I upgraded to 2x8 3200MHz. The next bottleneck much more recently was my dying 7200RPM 1TB HDD, so I upgraded to a 1TB NVME. As of now, the final bottleneck affecting my Radeon RX 480 4GB is my Skylake Core i5-6400 wherein only two of its four cores can boost up from the base 2.7GHz to 3.2GHz. To that end, I'd need to replace the motherboard to get a CPU that supports Windows 11. So I'm just gonna rock what I've got until Windows 10 goes out of support in 2025 then pivot it to Linux, and continue to game on it until the i5-6400 or RX 480 finally become unable to achieve 60fps in the kinds of games I add to my Steam Library.
prices are down compared to what they were a couple years ago, and if you're fine with used, you can get a decent gaming PC for 200$ USD (obviously can't crank 200 fps with max settings on a triple A title)
Yeah, amazon is almost always worse pricing. I started adding amazon links though because even with the higher prices, people click the links and buy stuff wayyy more often than ebay.
@@aChairLeg there's a refurbished seller I know that sells custom z440s for around 100$+ depending on the specs I used them to get to the 110$ price on the example system above
Bro, I've been rocking DDR3 since my 2010 MacBook Pro...which I'm STILL squeezing every last byte out of. ...nearly 14 years...good god. Running Linux at this point ofc.
I am in the same boat as you Used DDR3 memory for a long time. I rocked DDR3 memory since LGA 775 with my Core 2 Duo E8400/Core2 Quad Q6600 from like 2010ish to 2020 in my Desktop Rig but in 2017 I bought a gaming laptop that used DDR4 memory and be using DDR4 memory since 2017. So I rocked DDR3 memory for at least 10 years.
Intel 7th Gen supports both DDR3 and DDR4. Would be interesting to see one of these thrown into the mix. Picked up a i5 7500 for only £15. Only down side is second hand motherboard pricing being £50+ for some questionable listings with the majority floating around £70-100 mark. At those prices a second hand AM4 processor R7 1700 or R5 2600 and new AM4 motherboard (second hand market is about the same price as buying new) matches the price of the Intel system. Go £10 extra on the processor and the R5 4500 still roughly matches in price but wipes the floor in performance. DDR4 has fallen enough that it isnt completely undercut by DDR3. DDR3 is great atm. Being able to get cheap chinese 16GB sticks is an easy way to add memory to an old system (8GB really seems to struggle these days) would be so much better if 6/7th Gen systems didnt take the piss with second hand mother board pricing
I sell DDR3 budget systems regularly to people that want to get away from console. Those systems will still give those kids and casual gamers a good time..especially the xeon workstations. As for power hogs...kids could care less about their parents power bill...parents want to just get left alone. You are right about motherboards....hard to find, processors are easy, fast good ram sets are hard to find at a good price. Great vid btw...sub'd
Im running a ddr3 amd 8350 black edition, maxed out ram, a 960TI and she runs great even today i can run almost all new games at a reasonable level getting at least 60fps still a very viable system and only cost me the time of taking apart broken systems and putting one together.
I was running a 4790 with a 1070 from 2013 till December last year. They are still OK as long as you don't expect the best. You don't suffer much, the only issue I had was blue screens every so often. 4770k would probably be a better choice as it's cheaper and with an oc you can get it to 4.6ghz same with the 4790k. It will run everything at a reasonable fps even at 1440p
For 80$ you can get a PC that plays all modern games and is way more powerful than the Steam Deck: 50$ for a prebuilt with Ivy Bridge i5 or i7 with 12+ GB DDR3 RAM + 10$ for a 256 GB SSD + 20$ for an RX 470 4/8 GB mining edition with no outputs (many people just think these GPU's are worthless and throw them in the trash, but you can actually game on them using the Intel iGPU with almost no performance penalty). I am rocking such a system and the only thing that really struggles to run is Starfield and heavy android emulation software, for everything else it is great and I'm not upgrading anytime soon...
you get a proper bottleneck by running trough the igpu, plus that rx400\500 have uefi bios and on most 2nd\3rd gen motherboard\cpu combos they wont work with the igpu turned on, I have tested it on quite a few systems and when its turned on from the bios, win10 doesn't boot anymore, starts very slowly and after a reset it just goes in to automatic repair, only solution being the deactivation of igpu, I'm sure that I've tried legacy or uefi with no changes, it only works with nvidia cards, tried with gtx760 and 1050ti that both get their framerates cut in half, never mind that I wouldn't risk dead mining cards on a good pc...
@@dubment I am running an i5 4460 with a Sapphire Nitro RX 470 mining edition + VGA output from Intel HD 4600 with no problems, just finished Cyberpunk 2.0 on it, you may be right about the UEFI compatibility issues on older sockets even tough they usually work fine with newer cards, I do not recommend people buying Haswell or later chips because they are way overpriced, specially the 4C/8T i7's The only issue I'm having with the mining card is that I must first enable the iGPU in BIOS before inserting the card in PCIe slot and disable the multimonitor option, or it will try to output video signal on the mining card with no outputs, also AMD drivers refuse to install OpenGL when they detect the Intel iGPU in use, but hardly any games nowadays uses OGL on Windows... Also the mining cards have an hidden HDMI port that you can solder back on, but I'm too lazy for that and just keep using VGA in 2024...
I have used i5-4460s & RX 570 8GB before. In some graphic demanding games, of course CPU would bottleneck pretty hard, but otherwise in light gaming it was awesome! Thanks for the video!
In 2017 i got a Z420 for the same amount of money shown in this video. I got 6 years use out of it and could sell it for the same amount of money i spent on it. It was the best thing for the price back then and got me through the pc parts shortage of 2020/2021 just fine. I am still using a variety of 3rd and 4th gen towers. Yes they are definitely starting to show their age but my 4th gen Xeon and 32GB ECC is still able to do anything sufficiently fast for my needs and by the time I get a 6th gen or newer prebuilt for about the same price I will plan to sell it then.
I JUST updated to ddr4 because my old pc (2015) is officially dead without any hopes of putting new parts on it for budget prices. Building a new pc would be 50% more expensive, but 100% of the parts would be brand new and it would go 6~8 years in the future with minimal upgrades.
I still have a Xeon E3-1271 v3 (same performance as i7-4770K) with 32GB DDR3-1866 (running at 1600MT/s), still a good PC, its performance is basically the same as a 9th or 10th gen i3 CPU.
I'm still rocking with my z420 for the past 5 years (although I'm now getting parts for a my first ever new build) 8 core xeon E5-2676 v2, 32 GB DDR3 (4x8 GB, for quad channel), RX590, and 2TB nvme!!! nvme is actually tricky but totally worth it, it is only possible using a expansion card, and the BIOS doesn't recognize it as a bootable device, so a bootable usb pen does the tick to redirect the boot to the nvme drive, then the installed OS boots normally, the extra speed made me keep it running longer for sure.
Also, DDR5 is still currently a scam, kinda. They skyrocketed the megatransfer number to make it seem it's super uber fast but then it has absurdly high latency numbers to the point it's basically DDR4 3200 lol
I ALSO rocked DDR3 all the way until ~2020 (Used an FX 8100, later a 8350... and rocked a R7 260x and later a R9 390 with a 390x bios flashed until it died, and i got a rx 580 8GB. This worked great.) The large core count of those older CPU's kept them relevant for a while... Seemed like they even got better for a bit when multicore gaming took over. Now using R5 2600 and a 5700 XT. HEY! If you have time, I'd love to colab on a video sometime. Let me know!
Ngl, im pretty pleasantly surprised how well the AM3+ cpu held up tbh, considering it was a pretty controversial release. And also, these machines held up pretty well tbh. Id stick with the lga 1150 and lga 2011 machines tho
I've had the same AMD A75 system for the past 12 years, with DDR3 and a second-hand GTX 970, and I barely notice any difference in the speed of apps and games from 12 years ago. Albeit I mostly run open source apps (on both Windows 10 and Linux) and indie games. Frankly the only reason I'm even considering buying new hardware is because my motherboard is literally dying of old age (I suspect there's a short somewhere). When I do "upgrade", it'll either be used hardware off eBay (Xeons are literally going for pennies these days), or if I really want to push the boat out, I'll get an A520/Ryzen 5 4500 and DDR4 combo. Either way I'm not spending more than £200. Probably ever. The days of me blowing my entire salary on a new PC are long over. The last time I did that was back in the days of the Pentium 4 Prescott (back when "glass" side panels were actually plastic, and had to be custom made). If I live long enough, I might eventually buy a Ryzen 9/DDR 5 system ... in about 20 years. If I can get it for less than £200. Maybe.
My first ever fully home-built system was AM3+, which I chose over 1150 because I was enamored with the idea of an 8-core CPU, the now much-maligned FX-8350. It was a good machine, certainly good enough for my style and level of game play at the time. That system still works flawlessly but doesn't get powered on much these days. I should probably sell it given current pricing on ebay, but I just can't part with it.
Up until May i was in my i7 2600k. 32gb. In 2019 I retired the old gtx 580 for a 1660ti. Then recently upgraded to an i9 10900f and 64gb ddr 4 4000. See you in 10 years.
I think that time has become for 2669 v4 processors. They are op for their price! Imagine getting 128 Gb of 4 channel ddr4 and run FL studio, After effects or any CPU and RAM needed program
My 4790K is almost 10 years old. Coupled with a GTX 1080, and an SSD, a Creative Labs soundcard, it all works fine. Unless it fails, I will still be using this for a couple more years. Not ready to jump into Windows 11, either.
My i5-4690k died few months ago. It has been working for me since 2014 to 2021 and I gave my old pc to my parents. I bought 4590 for about 12 dollars and it's working again. Now since early 2021 I'm using Ryzen 7 5800x, hoping it will last me for the next 4-6 years.
1:14 that chip is really, really good. The company I used to work for had one i7-4790K and I regret not buying it from them when I quit that job. I get why its almost $100 . I have now a i7-5820K which comes close, but doesn't have the same single-core performance. That thing was brutal at single-core performance. If you want a single core performance that good, you would have to spend $1000 in a CPU nowadays... (thanks binning)
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DDR3 is basically still supported as the majority of the cheap windows machines use "low powered" DDR4 which is just extremley slow DDR3.
There is overlap in terms of performance and spec, high end DDR3 is very easily the same or better than a lot of the low end DDR4 out there depending on the clocks and timing.
@@MrKillswitch88 Same in the DDR4 Vs DDR5 like a 4400 DDR4 CL17 kit for big money...
The thing is you can just simply buy much higher MHz for much lower price on the next DDR gen however the timings also keep going crazy high...
@@guily6669 This has been a thing since around 1999/2000 when RDRAM then later DDR1 was introduced which kept SDR around for a little longer till DDR became the standard. RDRAM was hot and crazy expensive at the time and had horrendous latency to match. My thinking it is usually better to change over mid to late in the life cycle of any standard due to better pricing and better overall kits vs buying in early.
Besides cost I don't like kits with horrendous timings especially for laptops when the difference in cpu performance for example can be up to 20% easy sometimes more.
@@MrKillswitch88 Hell yeah I totally remember those times.
I always wish to have a top tier kit never could afford however I also never had the cheapest crap that have the worse timings or low frequency...
I'm in the process of buying a high tier 16GBx2 DDR4 4400 CL17 G.skill Ripjaw TridentZ RGB used, hope it all goes well however I likely won't get the clocks at those timings for sure on my crap Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite which have never been good for mem OC from what I always heard and my old 8700K mem controller.
But I still dream to have the kit running at advertised clocks\timings or close to them while the kit being actually fully working with 0 errors.
Ps: and I sure know there was many ppl with luck buying random crazy cheap generic ram kits that had Samsung B die out of eBay and can OC like crazy, but nowadays it's hard to find a good cheap one that will OC to the max... FINGERS CROSSED 😎
@@guily6669I have an i5 9400f which is locked to 2666 mhz ram. I bought a 32 gb kit of 3600MHz CL 16 and set it to 2666mhz CL 14. No clue if this CL timings actually make any difference, but she is stable 😂.
Surprisingly this 32gb lexar hades set of ram was on sale for $60 some months ago haha
Until early 2023, I was rocking a Dell Precision workstation with an x79 quad-core Xeon, GTX Titan X 12GB, 24 gigs of DDR3, and a 2x4TB 7200RPM HDD in Raid 0.
It was an absolute beast considering its old age.
However, in late January of 2023, my work gave me (and let me keep) a new Dell Precision mobile workstation, with a 14-core 12900HK, 64GB DDR5, RTX A4000, and 2TB NVMe SSD.
The DDR3 system, hand-down from my dad, served me well throughout its life as my main PC, and is still my NAS now.
What kinda job do you work where they give you and let you keep such machine jeez
I'm still using a Mac Pro with 8 GB DDR2 for school lmao
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why did you buy rtx a2000? a rtx 4080 or a rx 7900 xtx is better than the rtx a2000 lol
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For the longest time I was running a dual Xeon server motherboard as my desktop. had a pair of 2650v2s and 192gb(24x8) of DDR3 ECC memory in a supermicro motherboard. It was by far the cheapest way to build a workstation with the memory capacity I needed for data science. The whole system cost $400 and was built from salvaged parts or liquidation auctions.
I got a Dell t5600 with 2 2680v1s and 128 128 gigs of ram and a 1080ti.. whole thing cost me about 200 bucks.. and 150 was the gpu lol. I’m looking to put Linux on it though because I’m getting sick of Microsoft’s bs.
I really recommend a dual boot. I know people are still skeptical even though it's far more reliable now, but with a GRUB bootloader you can boot off a second physical drive for windows and Linux complete file systems
@@johns3655 +1 for the grub bootloader promotion. -3 for the dual boot suggestion. Nobody needs windows bloatware on any system without genuine necessity these days.
Use a bare metal hypervisor and create a gaming vm and pass through gpu to vm. That's what I'm trying to do.
Fiancée was using a Haswell i5 4460 with RX580 until very recently. RDR2 ran fine.
She has upgraded to an 5800X3D and 6650XT now and RDR2 still runs fine, but now with all the details set to highest.
Pro tip for anyone with an AMD FX system: Set your Windows power profile to High Performance. This used to make a huge difference back when I had my 8150 and 1070Ti.
I would recommend selling the R7 5800X3D though don't get me wrong it is a very good cpu , the gpu you have paired with it is not making it run at full potential and unless your fiancee does video editing you don't need a powerful cpu instead put that money into a Rx 6700xt or 6800 for gaming that would be nice though if you plan on upgrading her gpu in future then it is good "Future proof" of a cpu.
@@chills5100r7 not r5
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@@chills5100Thanks, but the 5800X3D definitely suits her use-case and the 6650XT is a 2X increase versus the previous RX580. She is a gamer, but she’s also doing other things on her PC that benefit from more CPU.
There is also a PSU constraint that puts higher Wattage GPUs behind an additional paywall of around £150. Even going up to a 6700XT would be an expensive option and just not worth it versus the 1080p gaming she does.
I watched her play some RDR2 last night with all details set to high and it was maintaining 60FPS quite happily.
@@chills5100 doesn't matter if she can still play RDR2 on the high presets
Whew, glad I stuck with DDR2.
One of the reasons that the 6600 seemed like it was at 100% on the AM3 system is that AM3 used PCIE 2.0 X16, whereas the 6600 runs PCIE 4.0 X8, so you can’t use the full bandwidth of the slot anyway, but it also gets bottlenecks by the older standard.
Beating my old Optiplex (i5 4570 DDR38gb) pushing with a small overclock
All the way from 2014 to 2020, huh? I've been "rocking" ddr2 all the way since 2006.
Ddr2 is dinosaur slow in this day and age even compared to ddr3. plus any cpu using ddr2 is not worth running anymore simply because of how much you pay on electricity running the thing. Honestly if i was you i would switch to at least ddr3 due to the low cost of hardware at this time and you will pay off your purchase on your electricity bill alone. too many people dont consider how much different hardware costs to run.
@@KPopFan40167 Far too many assumptions here for me to regale you with a clarification.
@@KPopFan40167 Well if he likes old games then he dont need to upgrade
Having recently upgraded from an i5-3570K, I put my current 6700 XT on it just out of curiosity. Honestly... not as bad as I was expecting. 100% CPU usage was frequent, but it handled itself well considering its age. Framerates/times weren't terrible, either.
Yeah, we've reached a point where upgrading every few years... or even every 10 years isn't needed for a lot of people. Sure, for the newest AAA games, content creation, CAD, etc. you'll probably need to upgrade. But for light use even 10+ year old systems are still pretty solid
@@aChairLeg Certainly. That said, it is light years behind my current R7 7700X, but I would certainly _hope_ so. If you put a more reasonable GPU in it such as the 6600 you used here, you could certainly get by. The only real problem is the lack of instruction sets like AVX2.
I still game at 1440p upscaled to 4K using RSR on an overclocked 4790k / 5700XT with 0 issues, CPU has never bottlenecked me even in titles like Starfield. I was planning an upgrade but with lower spec hardware like the Steam Deck forcing better optimizations, I think I can even get another few years out of this setup.
@@philipdaian8386 Given the small IPC increase and the additional instruction sets that Sandy/Ivy Bridge don't support, I would be inclined to agree. You'll probably be okay for another 2-3 years yet, but I'm not sure beyond that.
I rocked that cpu from 2012 to 2020. It was rock solid, but I noticed that when I making music the processor was showing its age. So I went amd in 2020 and now instead 80-100% cpu uses and now only 15-20%.
DDR3 are still usable today.
I finally went from DDR3R to DDR4 when I built a Ryzen Hackintosh, and repurposed my Early 2009 Mac Pro, as a home server after generally being on DDR3, since 2009. Honestly, even these old LGA1366 systems-Mac or PC-are still very useful-especially when upgraded with NVMe SSDs.
Also DDR3R is next to WORTHLESS per GB; Already upgraded two different Mac Pro 4,1 units to 192GB (6x32GB) RAM after getting full 256GB kits for around $80 each (and while I can utilize all 256GB, 192GB is MUCH faster due to triple-channel).
I'm still on my 4790k. I'll probably upgrade in a year or two but my system lasting 8 years is pretty impressive.
I'm still on a 4570
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Same 4790k devil canion , msi z97 kraith with rtx 3060ti and 32gb ram 2200mhz,2ssd raid and 2 sshd raid ,cpu up to 80-95 usage in new game ,still rock 👍 to this day,m2 on this mb maxim 800mb/s ,normal ssd in raid read up 1200mb/s 😉 tested
I ran the smaller brother, the 4670k for 10 years and upgraded 2021. Loved that CPU.
That’s gonna be me with my i7-13700k and 3080 I don’t plan on upgrading anymore until 2033 😂. Just too expensive these days
In Brazil everything is very expensive, so I continue with my I7 3770K and DDR3 memories
I have a friend who still daily drive a 8gb DDR2 PC with a RX 580 8gb.
I built my DDR3 system back in late 2015 and am still using it today. I started out with 8GBs of corsair vengeance ram clocked at 1333MHz which was later upgraded to 16GBs a couple of years later. I'm still running an I5-4690K and an EVGA GTX 970. I plan on upgrading soon as I have a 1440p monitor and am not willing to lower the graphics or resolution of the games I play. I also plan on getting into game development, 3D modeling, and video editing which all require me to make some hardware changes.
One thing that would make the x79 build a fair bit better in the productivity tests would be if you had 4 sticks of ram in it instead of 2, as one of the big selling points for the LGA2011 socket was the quad-channel ram.
not necessarily i see no difference running quad vs triple vs dual chan for productivity namely video editing. its *nice though that i can populate all 8 slots for 128GB :)
Delided 4790k, with liquid metal runs at 5Ghz all cores.
Using it with DDR3 2133Mhz with GTX 1080ti as my second rig.
is it good ?
My DDR3 is alive and still doing great. Not dead. Still running a 4.8ghz 4790k/5700xt/2133 CL9 - very well balanced system, GPUbusy is perfectly synced in all my games- no bottlenecks, maybe even a tiny bit of headroom.
These sorts of systems make for great cheap 4k gaming rigs. It's not practical but if you wanted to at 4k you can pair a 4790k (or similar like 2011 Xeon you tested) with a 4080 or 4090 and get minimum bottlenecking- even with raytracing turned on. There are many videos about it on here on YT, CPUs become almost insignificant at very high resolutions.
More power to ya! Im still hanging on with my 4.8ghz amd fx 6350 2.8ghz on the northbridge, and my ram sitting at cl11 2400 ddr3
Keep fooling yourself.
Are you sure? A lot of places I’ve checked says that a 4790k would be a bottleneck with a 4080. No reason to buy a high end gpu with a low end system
No just no. Why the hell would you put a 4080 or a 90 in such a low end system? Raytracing is very cpu and ram bandwidth hungry...
saying a 4790k with a 5700xt is "perfectly balanced" is delusional lol maybe if you avoid CPU heavy games, and claiming that you'd have a fine experience with a 4080 and anything raytracing/dlss with that CPU is even more delusional. anything more powerful than a gtx 1080 makes no sense for something like a 4790
I have a PC with an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 1tb sata SSD, and an RX 480. Because I don't use it anymore since my main PC is *way* faster, I will likely give it to my mom so she can play games with my brother and me. I say all this to say:
1. While I knew the 4770 could handle a newer GPU than an RX 480, it's a little surprising to me that I could put an RX 6600 in the PC as an upgrade and it wouldn't always be bottlenecked by the CPU.
2. The motherboard in the PC is not a Z87/Z97 board, rather it's an H-87 board. I won't lie, I am a bit worried about it's longevity despite the physical condition being pretty good to me, and while upgrading my mom to something on the AM4 platform would be great, I'd rather upgrade the GPU.
My poor 4790k ran on 4.8GHz for nearly 8 years. I recently upgraded to an i9 7980xe because ddr4 became dirt cheap and I wanted a System that could last for another 8 years. 44 pcie lanes are AWESOME!
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yeah! i wish desktop cpus could get 28+ lanes... more between the chipset and CPU
Also, if you want the newest platform with ddr3, there were some Z170 boards using it, meaning you can theoretically go as high as 7700K.
if it supports a 7th gen intel cpu doesn't it mean that the ram is upgradable from ddr3 to ddr4 too?
@@NikosM112 The integrated memory controller in the 6th and 7th gen cpus supports both types, yes, but I don't think there were any mobos with both slots like they were for the ddr2/ddr3 and earlier for ddr/ddr2.
Just as a little side note there are some x99 boards and cpus that that support ddr3. The e5-2666 v3 machinist x99 g7. Looking forward to the ddr2 vid!
I vaguely remember that actually now that you reminded me
@@aChairLegand I just saw the video in my feed again and remembered that all 1151 cpus work with ddr3 so the 9900k can technically use ddr3. Although I do not believe there was ever a official mb. You would need to bios mod a z170 and brige/block pins on the 9900k. But it has been done before.
@@andrewmcewan9145 The H310M DS2V DDR3 is a thing so even easier than that lol
the only reason im keeping my ddr3 cuz if i switch, I would need to buy a new mobo, cpu, and ram and im not doing that
glad you’re back!!! hopefully you’ve recovered and are doing well!
Thank you! Yes, mostly this video has been sitting on my PC for like 3 months now so I'm glad it's finally out haha
Im still rocking my old buldozer
Asus ROG Crosshair V Formula - Z
AMD FX 8350 8 core OC to 4.4Ghz
Asus ROG Strix RX 570 4GB Gaming OC to 1314Mhz
4x4 Corsair 1600Mhz 16GB DDR3
AMD Wraith Prism RGB cooler
Hello.. Have you ever played GTAV? If yes.. what was the results? I'm not looking for detailed results.. I'm just looking for "how high graphic setting can you play?"
May be dead, but I'll keep using it for as long as it works hahaha
You'd be surprised by the amount of ddr3 pc still being built . That too with 4th gen processors at most and 4GB Ram. They're pretty much every guy's first gaming pc AND permanent pcs in small businesses.
Not to mention core 2duo lga775 with 2gb ddr2 Ram.
For the DDR2 video, I would definitely look at the 7400-series Dunnington Xeon processors, 6 cores and 2.66 GHz.
Didn't even know those existed, I may have to end up building three systems like this video
holy shit that sounds epic, i had 2 rare ddr3 775 Mainboards they were intresting, however its sad to see them slowly die out since they are not being producef
I used ddr3 from 2015 to 2023. It was an i7 5500u nvidia 920m. It was good until 2021
Now I have a ryzen 5 4600h gtx 1650.
I7 4790k rx 590 has ran well to this day. Might pass it down to my lil brother whenever i can transfer it to a smaller case since this nzxt h440 is huge
there's people in latinamerica still using ddr2 systems for esports. systems with the 775 socket are a plague, they're everywhere, so these are the chespest solution.
they also pair those with gt710's, 1030's, rx550's, 1050ti's or whatever they can get their hands on.
i knew someone who bought a gt210 because having a graphics card on his computer meant he was cool, it was a pentium E system. he spent $40 on a brand new gt210 because technology is very expensive in my country.
I used to run an i7 3770 with at first a dell optiplex 7010 motherboard, then a 3010, then a micro itx board from gigabyte for the past 3 years up until recently with 20 gigs of ram. It was good for lightweight games like minecraft, overwatch 2, beamng and some others at the time. Browsing and simple editing was good, but the one problem with it all was stuttering from slow ram and a small bottleneck with my gpu. They're good if you can build one for dirt cheap for simple gaming, but once you start playing some of the newer games, it shows its age.
same here with the 3770, its ok with 1600mhz ram, if you have a 4k monitor its good with a 6600xt or an rtx3060 at most since for 1080p it bottlenecks even a 1050ti or rx570, tho I have another rig with a 2500k at 4,5ghz that is better at 1080p with those cards but uses double the power...
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P.S literally had the same build as you till about a week ago lol, Used to rock an FX-6300 and 12gb of ram and a GT730 💀since 2013 to 2023. Upgraded to a lenovo legion 2021 for Architecture college Demands!. R7 5800H and RTX3060, I literally CANNOT believe the FPS im getting and how smooth the whole computer runs.
Still rocking my Lenovo Thinkcentre M93p with a Xeon E3 1230v3, 32GB of DDR3 RAM and a low profile GTX 1650! It was a big upgrade from an i3 2130 and 2GB of RAM.
They're still making modules, bought an gskill kit earlier this year for one of my laptops and it was only a month old from manufacturing when I got it in the mail.
DDR3 will never die 💪💪💪
I'm still using a X58 board with a Xeon W3690 as a secondary setup (12gb DDR3 in Triple-Channel), watching this video from this system right now actually.
I'm often shocked at how well this thing can still perform. Been playing some Baldur's Gate 3 on it with mostly no issues recently.
Old systems are fun sometimes.
I also play the latest game on my "ASUS P6T" mobo with 48GB ram and a overclocked Xeon X5675 to 5Ghz.
All graphics on max settings except resolution (1440p), with an easy 120+ FPS.
@@opoxious1592 Damn, that's nice.
I really got to upgrade my ram to atleast 24gb someday, but it's hard to find kits of 3. :c
Honestly what kills budget AM3 builds nowadays is the fact that those CPU's don't have any multithreading.
That FX-8120 you used is 8 cores and 8 threads unlike modern Ryzen 7's that are 8 cores and 16 threads.
LGA2011 seems like the way to go for budget builds using DDR3 but i'm sure that by looking carefully you could find 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's and go DDR4 and AM4.
But to me it seems like LGA2011 is the way to go for a budget build using DDR3.
And i know how it feels to change entire platforms, back in August i went from Phenom II and DDR3 to 5th gen Ryzen and DDR4.
The difference that it makes is unbelievable.
Bruh what? you claim they dont have any multithreading and then in the next sentence say they have 8 core and 8 threads? that means multihreaded bro. if it wasnt it had 8 cores 0 threads.
@@НААТ To me multithreaded means you have double the number of threads.
@@GUCFan Okay to you maybe, but thats not the official meaning of multithreaded.
He means what Intel calls Hyperthreading and what AMD calls Simultaneous Multithreading.
That’s where you have two threads per physical CPU core.
What a lot of AMD chips lacked back in the day, was single core speed. Their instructions-per-cycle was very low so they would perform poorly in games that did not utilise all those cores, and many games didn’t back then.
Games that multithreaded well would perform good on these systems, but games that primarily used one or two cores would perform better on even a Pentium chip of the era.
When we got to the FX-8000 series, AMD was truly hilarious. These chips performed so poorly in single core tasks that it lacked behind severely in a lot of games.
The FX-9000 were just 8000 chips with the core clock turned all the way up, resulting in hilarious TDP and some of the chips had watercooling as a requirement because they ran so damn hot.
@@99domini99 mostly true but the amd fx chips had a lot of potentially with the proper overclock. I remember my amd fx 6350 sitting at 2.6ghz on the Northbridge and 4.8 on the core. Ram was around 2300mhz. Being from the Netherlands heat was never really a issue but she still ran hot as fuck on some games, but an absolute monster. Had it from 2016 until last year.
I planned to upgrade my Haswell system for one last time, but after careful thought, Its not worth it and best to get a more recent or latest specs.
These where my spec plan:
• Asus H81M-K --> Asus Maximus VII Gene
• DDR3 1600 --> DDR3 2133
• 4790 --> 4790K (repaste TIM for better cooling preferably Liquid metal)
I have ditched this plan and moved on with 13th gen and a B760M Mobo
A friend is using an i7 4790k overclocked and an rtx 3060 12gb, runs like a dream for 1080p gaming and there's almost no bottleneck
Me with DDR3:
I am still happy on my i7-4790k
Literally still have the same motherboard and DDR3 ram since 2016. Ive known for years my motherboard has been the issue of some of my weird PC issues for years along with my RAM, so im finally ripping the bandaid off and getting a new motherboard with a CPU and ram which is all pretty cheap. Fixing my current build to hand it down to my younger brother as i plan on getting a pre built sometime end of the year or early next.
i was using i7 3770 with 16gbram ddr3 until my mobo died on 2023 and i upgraded to an i5 12400f ddr4
I won't give up my very rare DDR3-2200 8-8-8-24. It's a 2GBx2 kit from Super Talent. It's made in the USA. RAM easily can hit like 2000 7-7-7-21. Lowest timings I got with it is 1t-5-6-5-20 at 1400 MHz on a Phenom II x6 1055t. It is very fun ram kit to mess with. On 2020 I went to buy the FX 8350 to try to push the ram again and easily hit 7-7-7-21 at 2000. First time in 10 years because it was always on the Phenom II system with highest memory clock at 1600.
Even though its 4GB ram system does the job and its still fast for the older games no need to upgrade. I did try out Valorant and manage to have stable 150 fps on the FX 8350 with GTX 580. It beat out the Pentium G4400 (Skylake) which surprise me. I had to cap the Pentium system at 45 fps to keep it from hitting 100% CPU usage. It was very terrible experience.
Bro u know nothing about timings
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1150 has life in it to this day. with xeon pricing and the mitigating advantage of their much bigger l3 cache, ddr3 is barely an object. Hell, an 1150 xeon paired with ecc ram will run even smoother thanks to the low latency of ecc dimms. pcie3 isn't great anymore, a lot of ultra budget cards get throttled (looking at you amd) but an older mid range card will fly.
DDR3 is pretty good. You can get 2400mhz or faster with timings of around 10.
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Just so you know, there are LGA2011-3 motherboards on the X99 chipset that have DDR3 slots and support Xeon V3 CPUs, not all of them but around half of V3 xeons support DDR3 ram as well as DDR4 so if you get a DDR3 board and something like an E5-2673v3 you will get a bunch more perfomance running on cheap DDR3 ram.
i am still running an ddr3 laptop works like a charm
Weak sauce. Here I am in 2023 still rocking a 4790k on my Z97x mobo on 1600mhz memory and a rx 5700xt. I'll take this thing to the grave.
1-3rd gen Ryzen is too good for budget builds I think.
I've noticed that the top spec CPU for any socket is way more expensive than other CPUs. I guess people just want an easy upgrade on the platform they already own. This creates a demand for the top spec and a supply of lower spec CPUs.
Right now the best price to performance for building a pc is here. a $600 computer from 2014 is good for 720p gaming, a $600 computer now can do 1080p. $1000 is for 1440p ultra graphics.
My i7 4790k and GTX 980 (both overclocked to the max) held me strong from 2016 until 2024 on 1080p 60fps until it couldn't keep up with 60 fps on helldivers 2. Upgraded to 7800x3D and 7900XT and it runs my new 1440p 144hz ultrawide very nicely :)
today the final piece for my new pc is arriving, but i used an fx-8350 and a 1050ti with 16gb of ram from when i was 13 until today (i'm 19). I needed to change my old ddr3 pc and build a ddr5 one for faster memory and cpu (i edit lots of videos), but if i was using my pc just for gaming i would honestly just upgrade to a 1080ti and i probably still would be able to play most games in 1080p medium/high settings. At the same time... editing videos is insanely slow and laggy, even at 1/4 the resolution.
Currently running a 4790k @4.7ghz and DDR3 at 2133mhz. I game at 1440p on maximum graphics settings and haven't really had any issues with bottlenecking. At higher resolutions/graphics settings, CPU performance doesnt seem to matter all that much.
i've been running on an old optiplex for a few years now, I just bought a gpu for some light gaming. This thing still holds up great.
my whole system cost me 60 bucks, pc and gpu included
Optiplex's are great budget gaming PCs. Got a 5040 with an i7 6700 24gb DDR3 RAM and a 4gb AMD 6400. It can't run some newer high requirement games like cyberpunk but I meet 98% of minimum requirements on canyourunit. Maybe $200 in the build for the PC GPU and a couple extra RAM sticks.
I had DDR3 with XMP set to 2400 Mhz which is not bad at all. Paired with 4790K and I could eaisly push majority of my games above 60 fps - some of them much, much higher. Windows 10 still supports it. I was able to play some games even with path tracing at very playable framerate.
To give you an apples to apples comparison, I put all of my older optiplex hardware into a newer one. This means I went from 3rd gen i5 and ddr3, to 6th gen i5 and ddr4. Same GPU, same SSD, etc.
This was when I was playing COD daily for testing. Side by side in game, I gained 10FPS. That sounds great, but my "experience" was not HUGE improvement. In fact, I really couldn't feel the difference outside of the FPS counter. Of course, more demanding titles would show a larger gap.
So, for anyone that says DDR3 vs DDR4 will change your life I would argue otherwise.
I sold the 6th gen and went back home to 3rd gen.
Still on ddr3 32 GB, i7 3770 oc@4.2 and 4070 - works great so far but will switch to new one soon i hope :), Doing also Blender and can still handle some good scenes.🤓
Just because something is getting oblolete, it doesn't become dead. About a year ago, I bought a brand-new 2GB DDR3 module to slightly speed up my old netbook that came with 1GB. Now I have a newer Dell notebook that I use for work, but the netbook is still good for text editing, some basic coding and gaming, and surfing simple websites. From an SSD, it boots up into Debian surprisingly rapidly.
I skipped over DDR3 entirely, going from my Core2 Duo with DDR2 RAM to my current rig which is a Core i5 6600k with DDR4. The DDR2 board still works, as about two or three years ago I bought a power supply, new hard drive and some extra RAM, and got it up and running with Windows XP and Windows 7 in a dual boot config. It has 7 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 6850 graphics card with 1 GB of GDDR5 VRAM. That system is a bit finicky in its old age though as it will occasionally lock up during the boot process, requiring a reboot.
When I built my PC in January 2017, the original bottleneck was the fact that I installed my 8GB 2400MHz DDR4 RAM in single channel, so I upgraded to 2x8 3200MHz. The next bottleneck much more recently was my dying 7200RPM 1TB HDD, so I upgraded to a 1TB NVME.
As of now, the final bottleneck affecting my Radeon RX 480 4GB is my Skylake Core i5-6400 wherein only two of its four cores can boost up from the base 2.7GHz to 3.2GHz. To that end, I'd need to replace the motherboard to get a CPU that supports Windows 11. So I'm just gonna rock what I've got until Windows 10 goes out of support in 2025 then pivot it to Linux, and continue to game on it until the i5-6400 or RX 480 finally become unable to achieve 60fps in the kinds of games I add to my Steam Library.
prices are down compared to what they were a couple years ago, and if you're fine with used, you can get a decent gaming PC for 200$ USD (obviously can't crank 200 fps with max settings on a triple A title)
Yep, you can play some honestly really demanding games just fine with a decent haswell system paired with a good GPU.
@@aChairLeg that z440 you have in the description is a terrible price for one
I've seen them go for 100-110
Yeah, amazon is almost always worse pricing. I started adding amazon links though because even with the higher prices, people click the links and buy stuff wayyy more often than ebay.
@@aChairLeg there's a refurbished seller I know that sells custom z440s for around 100$+ depending on the specs
I used them to get to the 110$ price on the example system above
Bro, I've been rocking DDR3 since my 2010 MacBook Pro...which I'm STILL squeezing every last byte out of.
...nearly 14 years...good god. Running Linux at this point ofc.
That's impressive as hell. I respect it
I am in the same boat as you Used DDR3 memory for a long time. I rocked DDR3 memory since LGA 775 with my Core 2 Duo E8400/Core2 Quad Q6600 from like 2010ish to 2020 in my Desktop Rig but in 2017 I bought a gaming laptop that used DDR4 memory and be using DDR4 memory since 2017. So I rocked DDR3 memory for at least 10 years.
Intel 7th Gen supports both DDR3 and DDR4. Would be interesting to see one of these thrown into the mix.
Picked up a i5 7500 for only £15. Only down side is second hand motherboard pricing being £50+ for some questionable listings with the majority floating around £70-100 mark.
At those prices a second hand AM4 processor R7 1700 or R5 2600 and new AM4 motherboard (second hand market is about the same price as buying new) matches the price of the Intel system. Go £10 extra on the processor and the R5 4500 still roughly matches in price but wipes the floor in performance.
DDR4 has fallen enough that it isnt completely undercut by DDR3.
DDR3 is great atm. Being able to get cheap chinese 16GB sticks is an easy way to add memory to an old system (8GB really seems to struggle these days) would be so much better if 6/7th Gen systems didnt take the piss with second hand mother board pricing
I sell DDR3 budget systems regularly to people that want to get away from console. Those systems will still give those kids and casual gamers a good time..especially the xeon workstations. As for power hogs...kids could care less about their parents power bill...parents want to just get left alone. You are right about motherboards....hard to find, processors are easy, fast good ram sets are hard to find at a good price. Great vid btw...sub'd
Im running a ddr3 amd 8350 black edition, maxed out ram, a 960TI and she runs great even today i can run almost all new games at a reasonable level getting at least 60fps still a very viable system and only cost me the time of taking apart broken systems and putting one together.
Still using 16GB DDR3 with an i7-4770k
I was running a 4790 with a 1070 from 2013 till December last year. They are still OK as long as you don't expect the best. You don't suffer much, the only issue I had was blue screens every so often. 4770k would probably be a better choice as it's cheaper and with an oc you can get it to 4.6ghz same with the 4790k. It will run everything at a reasonable fps even at 1440p
How did you get a 1070 in 2013 🤔
For 80$ you can get a PC that plays all modern games and is way more powerful than the Steam Deck: 50$ for a prebuilt with Ivy Bridge i5 or i7 with 12+ GB DDR3 RAM + 10$ for a 256 GB SSD + 20$ for an RX 470 4/8 GB mining edition with no outputs (many people just think these GPU's are worthless and throw them in the trash, but you can actually game on them using the Intel iGPU with almost no performance penalty). I am rocking such a system and the only thing that really struggles to run is Starfield and heavy android emulation software, for everything else it is great and I'm not upgrading anytime soon...
you get a proper bottleneck by running trough the igpu, plus that rx400\500 have uefi bios and on most 2nd\3rd gen motherboard\cpu combos they wont work with the igpu turned on, I have tested it on quite a few systems and when its turned on from the bios, win10 doesn't boot anymore, starts very slowly and after a reset it just goes in to automatic repair, only solution being the deactivation of igpu, I'm sure that I've tried legacy or uefi with no changes, it only works with nvidia cards, tried with gtx760 and 1050ti that both get their framerates cut in half, never mind that I wouldn't risk dead mining cards on a good pc...
@@dubment I am running an i5 4460 with a Sapphire Nitro RX 470 mining edition + VGA output from Intel HD 4600 with no problems, just finished Cyberpunk 2.0 on it, you may be right about the UEFI compatibility issues on older sockets even tough they usually work fine with newer cards, I do not recommend people buying Haswell or later chips because they are way overpriced, specially the 4C/8T i7's
The only issue I'm having with the mining card is that I must first enable the iGPU in BIOS before inserting the card in PCIe slot and disable the multimonitor option, or it will try to output video signal on the mining card with no outputs, also AMD drivers refuse to install OpenGL when they detect the Intel iGPU in use, but hardly any games nowadays uses OGL on Windows...
Also the mining cards have an hidden HDMI port that you can solder back on, but I'm too lazy for that and just keep using VGA in 2024...
I have used i5-4460s & RX 570 8GB before.
In some graphic demanding games, of course CPU would bottleneck pretty hard, but otherwise in light gaming it was awesome!
Thanks for the video!
In 2017 i got a Z420 for the same amount of money shown in this video. I got 6 years use out of it and could sell it for the same amount of money i spent on it. It was the best thing for the price back then and got me through the pc parts shortage of 2020/2021 just fine. I am still using a variety of 3rd and 4th gen towers. Yes they are definitely starting to show their age but my 4th gen Xeon and 32GB ECC is still able to do anything sufficiently fast for my needs and by the time I get a 6th gen or newer prebuilt for about the same price I will plan to sell it then.
I JUST updated to ddr4 because my old pc (2015) is officially dead without any hopes of putting new parts on it for budget prices.
Building a new pc would be 50% more expensive, but 100% of the parts would be brand new and it would go 6~8 years in the future with minimal upgrades.
I love old hardware. Makes me so nostalgic. Am4 will do the same for me in the future.
I still have a Xeon E3-1271 v3 (same performance as i7-4770K) with 32GB DDR3-1866 (running at 1600MT/s), still a good PC, its performance is basically the same as a 9th or 10th gen i3 CPU.
I'm still rocking with my z420 for the past 5 years (although I'm now getting parts for a my first ever new build)
8 core xeon E5-2676 v2, 32 GB DDR3 (4x8 GB, for quad channel), RX590, and 2TB nvme!!!
nvme is actually tricky but totally worth it, it is only possible using a expansion card, and the BIOS doesn't recognize it as a bootable device, so a bootable usb pen does the tick to redirect the boot to the nvme drive, then the installed OS boots normally, the extra speed made me keep it running longer for sure.
Also, DDR5 is still currently a scam, kinda. They skyrocketed the megatransfer number to make it seem it's super uber fast but then it has absurdly high latency numbers to the point it's basically DDR4 3200 lol
I bought 16gb of ddrr3 for 17 bucks last week. I'm using old hardware to host headless game servers for my friends. It's running great, too.
I ALSO rocked DDR3 all the way until ~2020
(Used an FX 8100, later a 8350... and rocked a R7 260x and later a R9 390 with a 390x bios flashed until it died, and i got a rx 580 8GB. This worked great.)
The large core count of those older CPU's kept them relevant for a while... Seemed like they even got better for a bit when multicore gaming took over.
Now using R5 2600 and a 5700 XT.
HEY! If you have time, I'd love to colab on a video sometime. Let me know!
Ngl, im pretty pleasantly surprised how well the AM3+ cpu held up tbh, considering it was a pretty controversial release.
And also, these machines held up pretty well tbh. Id stick with the lga 1150 and lga 2011 machines tho
I still use a AMD FX-8370 DDR3 system that I got from a cousin for free last year
I've had the same AMD A75 system for the past 12 years, with DDR3 and a second-hand GTX 970, and I barely notice any difference in the speed of apps and games from 12 years ago. Albeit I mostly run open source apps (on both Windows 10 and Linux) and indie games.
Frankly the only reason I'm even considering buying new hardware is because my motherboard is literally dying of old age (I suspect there's a short somewhere). When I do "upgrade", it'll either be used hardware off eBay (Xeons are literally going for pennies these days), or if I really want to push the boat out, I'll get an A520/Ryzen 5 4500 and DDR4 combo.
Either way I'm not spending more than £200. Probably ever. The days of me blowing my entire salary on a new PC are long over. The last time I did that was back in the days of the Pentium 4 Prescott (back when "glass" side panels were actually plastic, and had to be custom made).
If I live long enough, I might eventually buy a Ryzen 9/DDR 5 system ... in about 20 years. If I can get it for less than £200. Maybe.
Someone: talking about ddr3 being dead.
Me: trying to figure out if i can play 1080p 60fps videos on my moms 15yo inspiron 1520 on mx linux.
I upgraded from an 17 4790 with 1400mhz ddr3 to a 5900x 32 gb 3400mhz ddr4 about a year ago. What a difference in productivity
I am still rocking DDR3 and its going great! I am not going to upgrade until DDR5 gets cheaper and till RTX 6000 comes out
My first ever fully home-built system was AM3+, which I chose over 1150 because I was enamored with the idea of an 8-core CPU, the now much-maligned FX-8350. It was a good machine, certainly good enough for my style and level of game play at the time. That system still works flawlessly but doesn't get powered on much these days. I should probably sell it given current pricing on ebay, but I just can't part with it.
Im rocking DDR3 from 2013 till now with my core i7 3770 no GPU :( . planning to upgrade to the new AM5
4:15 I mean did you really expect to hear from them? 😂 you aint getting that CPU back lol
Still rocking my DDR3 4790k system 9 years or so after I built it.
Because I can't afford to upgrade.
But hey still runs everything.
Dont leave Haswell behind, but throw Bulldozer beyond the beginning.
Up until May i was in my i7 2600k. 32gb. In 2019 I retired the old gtx 580 for a 1660ti. Then recently upgraded to an i9 10900f and 64gb ddr 4 4000. See you in 10 years.
I think that time has become for 2669 v4 processors. They are op for their price! Imagine getting 128 Gb of 4 channel ddr4 and run FL studio, After effects or any CPU and RAM needed program
My 4790K is almost 10 years old. Coupled with a GTX 1080, and an SSD, a Creative Labs soundcard, it all works fine. Unless it fails, I will still be using this for a couple more years. Not ready to jump into Windows 11, either.
My i5-4690k died few months ago. It has been working for me since 2014 to 2021 and I gave my old pc to my parents. I bought 4590 for about 12 dollars and it's working again.
Now since early 2021 I'm using Ryzen 7 5800x, hoping it will last me for the next 4-6 years.
5800x is a great chip, I'm sure it'll treat you well for a long time
sounds like a bad overclock on a pc that wasn't used for gaming anymore...
1:14 that chip is really, really good. The company I used to work for had one i7-4790K and I regret not buying it from them when I quit that job.
I get why its almost $100 .
I have now a i7-5820K which comes close, but doesn't have the same single-core performance. That thing was brutal at single-core performance.
If you want a single core performance that good, you would have to spend $1000 in a CPU nowadays... (thanks binning)