Whenever Destiny and Vaush team up in debates it's like when rival characters in anime team up to fight the main villain. Destiny: "Looks like our rematch will have to wait Vaush" Vaush: "Don't you die out here the only person killing you is me"
To protect the world from devastation- destiny To unite all lefties within thy nation- Vaush To denounce the evils of misinformation -Destiny To extend our reach to our shafts below-Vaush
@@Ken-vn7mx super ironic that all the people spreading pedo rumors about Vaush and Destiny are neo-nazis, and anyone with even a cursory knowledge of that movement knows that they think pedophilia means "anytime someone disagrees with me" and that they describe pedophilia by using the term "traditional Christian marriage"
@@Azraelmaximilian Yes... we know. Everyone that hurts your feelings is a neo nazi. Strange that so many neo nazis apparently exist all over the place, and yet they have not a shred of political power, or even representation. One would imagine in a world secretly controlled by white supremacists and macho men, that they would be able to easily find political representation. Must be part of the greater conspiracy, reeeeee
@@aslemartinsen5284 Well, if we really want to break it down, both, language-wise are social constructs, destiny doesn't define these as such to discredit them, just to show that social constructs hold power and are important.
As a trans person, i feel like my voice is my biggest giveaway, so to hear someone explain how to adjust it better to only be shouted down by demonmama is awful
Demon mama intensely criticize Destiny for his effect on transgender people. And how they are effectively silenced by his influence. She then goes on to actively tell someone educating her on the differences when it comes to voices. To leave the podcast if she can't handle being there. Actively encouraging her to go because the person in question didn't feel like she was being listened to.
@@EsotericOccultist Imagine having nothing better to do than stalk a random youtubers comment section and bait people because their ideas trigger you. Very not pathetic.
9:55 "demonmama just called out a voice as being deeper, talking about pitch when im talking about ressonance" "Its the same its colloquial" As a musician and a beatboxer i have never been more triggered over 5 words
Demon Mama doing exactly what the Riley was criticizing her for. Being poorly educated about what she's talking about and then going on to poorly argue her position. Then treating it like it doesn't matter since her ego far too big.
Her fatal flaw seems to be her stubbornness and ego. It might help in being assertive in debates, but really makes it like talking to a wall as soon as the debate isnt bad faith bloodsports.
@@HoldenCoughfield Im usually quite forgiving with being verbose and rambly, not everyone is a seasoned online debater. Except that she is supposed to be one... I hope shell turn around for the better some day
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People who have studied voice realize you can change your resonance were speaking in the same way that you can change your resonance while singing. Placing your voice more in your nose and sinuses will leave you with a brighter sounding quality due to that resonate space in your head while placing it more towards the back of your throat or feeling like you’re sinking it to your chest will give it a deeper feel due to that resonate space. Also the way you shape your vowels can impact resonance. The amount of air used to sing or speak is another factor. There are so many cool biological tricks to use to change your resonance. I love hearing Destiny include his music theory knowledge in other discussions. Super cool to see.
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Demonmama always "crazy making" people. Then she randomly starts antagonizing people, "You gonna be okay?" "You should drop from this panel, because it seems you can't handle this conversation."
This person chose their name "Demonmama" accurately, because they are most definitely a monster. I've never seen someone just repeatedly bully people in panels & attack well-intentioned creators who aren't even willing to engage in the conflict. The trans community must have better representatives than this
1:05:00 "I think Discord is bugging out cuz you really sound like Demon Mama right now" 10/10 Best way to tell someone that you're not addressing them. Killed me XD
I played the violin for 12 years and recently picked up the viola for fun and the ressonance convo Demonmama had made me contemplate ending my video game, not even joking.
The entire time during the demonmamma debate shit, all I could think about was, Corpse Husband would have a hell of a time trying to change his voice if he came out as trans..
Lucid Doggo “Corpse is chronically ill, and has conditions such as fibromyalgia, thoracic outlet syndrome and GERD, the latter of which has partially caused his voice to become deeper.”
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@@lordhelix2760 Exactly. This "demonmama" is indeed a monster. It's ironic that these aggressive, combative individuals who constantly instigate conflict are the ones simultaneously insisting that the world perceive them as women. Transmen don't act that way, even when treated with tes. This undeniable fact undermines the most extreme arguments, e.g., that sex isn't real, doesn't relate to gender, etc.
@@alex-qd6of it's the way DM treats people, she specifically says very personal attacks, because that is all she knows to do if someone is bring reasonable experiences and ideas that conflict with hers. DM does it to almost anyone. She tried to do it too Destiny, but unlike many who would get upset and angry, destiny just did it back at her to show how petty she is.
I was actually shocked he didn't call her out on it. I'd have died laughing if I was in his shoes. She's just so unlikable I'm shocked she has a following. Her and Mike from PA both have this vibe of complete douchbagery that seems to strike a chord with people and I just don't get it.
@@mushroomheaification their audience just likes seeing them attack people. They don't care about the deeper points they want blood. Her using Destiny's tendencies is funny considering she attacked Riley over "doing the Destiny thing" tho. Goes to show this person has no principles & will say whatever wins them an argument.
I honestly have a lot of trouble grappling with these kind of questions. As someone who isn't trans I find it incredibly difficult to sympathize with them because when I try to imagine the experience I really don't feel I have any context to ground myself on, and it feels like the whole issue ultimately comes down to feelings and personal experience. One thing I notice a lot though especially in this conversation is it feels like a lot of people today want categories and labels to perfectly encapsulate everything within it, and I don't think that ever really works. Regardless of if the category is JRPG, Soup, Gender or furniture, you're always going to find some blurry edges that raise some questions if you get too critical about the system. I think the best utility of categories is to just accept their imperfections, understand somethings might not technically fit our prescribed criteria even if we intuitively can accept that they should fit within that category. This is kind of hard to grapple with though because it seems to really bother some people if things don't neatly fit into their mental boxes, and some people seem to take pleasure in breaking down concepts and categories. Not really sure what my point is, just food for thought I guess. :)
Yeah - I'm very sympathetic to trans causes, but I find it troubling that a lot of activists seem to want to dismiss entire categories merely because outliers exist... The idea that a binary should be disregarded if even a tiny percentage of its sample size fails to conform seems intellectually silly to me.
@@maxwellleatherman How is it silly, it logically follows. A binary is 1 *or* 0, not mostly 1 and 0. We know gender is not inherently binary so why should we keep that idea?
Some of us do believe gender is binary. I just think that your sex isn't what defines your gender. It's more so what feels more identifying for you. This also makes gender seem useless because it's all just words in the end.
@@AnimeFan9833 The current trans argument suggests that binary exists as 1's and 0's and that because somebody found a 2 we should throw out the entire binary system. The problem is that most people, something like 99% of people, would see that 2 and assume it was a typo, not a glaring flaw with the system, and proceed to delete it and move on with their lives. Most people are willing to conform to the concept of gender. Most people aren't douchebags and will generally respect somebody's wishes or just choose not to associate with that person to avoid a confrontation. Most people don't want to cause trouble. With that being the case, advocating for the abolition of gender is like advocating for programmers to stop using binary. There may be a better system on the horizon, but they'd starve waiting for it to be implemented.
Let's wimpify the world ... I am neither man or woman, I am a Muppet, therefore genderless, make me a shiny happy person.. rawr. Also, what? ugh. God I hope I die before the world gets so messed up it's unrecognisable, I'll leave this cursed world to my unfortunate children in hopes their mental strength training doesn't fail them. I'll be sure to leave a post-it note stuck to the fridge.
Demonmama's biggest interest in this convo is her ego. She likes the sound of her voice and that's it. I think calling Destiny out for being performative when you literally can't make a single point without going on a 5 minute monologue is pretty telling. Her primary concern when talking is self adulation and she does nothing to further the conversation.
Quickest way to tell if someone is a narcissist, interrupt them a little bit and see if the general response is "Hold on a sec" or "I'm nearly done", or is it "Hold on, if I'm even ABLE to respond, though if people keep interrupting me it's going to be a lot harder to do that, I mean I've hardly had any time at all to respond and I was quiet when you were talking about your side so you should really be a little bit more respectful when I talk about my side, and with a little bit of respect both ways, we can probably get a whole lot further in this conversation, now anyways back to why the age of consent should be-" This was painful in the elimination debate for Hippy Dippy. Destiny would make a cogent point in 2 minutes at most, demonmama would start to respond and be stopped by a 1 word jab, then spend literally 5 minutes ranting about not being able to talk, and not even really replying at all because she was too busy bitching about other people to make a point. Not to mention the ridiculous victim mentality, she'd spend like half the time for a panel meant for 8 people and then when people jab at her for whining spend another 2 minutes whining and end it with "I wonder why people would be targeting me of all people on this panel, hmmmm, I wonder, really curious, hmmmm", like holy fuck people hate you cause you're a dumbfuck whiner not cause you're trans. As soon as another trans person joined it was hilarious watching her bite her tongue. Can't call them transphobes if they're not doing it to other transpeople.
Destiny: "Can you socialize someone out of their gender?" Demonmama: "Uh...maybe, I'm not sure" Vaush: "You can absolutely do that" Demonmama: "You can absolutely do that" Fuck, why did Vaush have to open his big fucking mouth and help her out? I don't think he meant to, but Destiny was 100% right when he said that she was going to dance around the question because she's afraid to commit to certain answers if she's not sure she's right about it and Vaush basically gave her an out lmao
If one believes that biological sex has no causal relationship to a person's gender conformity/nonconformity, then the only reasonable answer to "can you socialize someone out of their gender?" is "yes." If something is 100% socially constructed, then it can be 100% socially deconstructed. However, I think that this is a really difficult bullet to bite in the case of trans issues. By way of analogy, the reason that we understand conversion therapy (a form of aggressive re-socialization) to be cruel in the case of gay people is that we don't believe sexual orientation to be 100% socially informed. If we believe that a person is gay due to underlying immutable aspects of their psychology (their nature, not their nurture), then re-socialization can only repress their immutable sexual preference, not actually change it, which we believe harms that individual more than it helps them (rightly, I think). If a trans person could really be socialized out of their societally-nonconforming gender expression and into one that societally conforms to their biological sex, that would imply that there's nothing immutable or "baked-in" about an individual's gender identity. If this were the case, it would make no sense for any individual to experience gender dysphoria. After all, if socialization were sufficient to "correct" a person's nonconforming gender identity, why wouldn't the socialization they've already received by living in society throughout their life have been sufficient to make them gender-conforming? Wouldn't society's conditioning have to come into conflict with a contrary (and not infinitely malleable) sense of self in order for dysphoria to occur? Basically, it seems to me that the argument that you can socialize someone out of their gender supports both the morality and efficacy of conversion therapy for trans people. If it really worked, why wouldn't we encourage people to do that instead of undergoing highly invasive and expensive sex reassignment therapy/surgery?
@@maxwellleatherman Being able to socialize someone into understanding certain definitions of categories from birth doesn't mean that we can socialize them from an identification in one category, to an identification in another. Vaush's examples were "If we go to an island where we make the words 'man' and 'woman' mean completely different things for everyone from birth" rather than "Let's take one person in our society and change only their conception of gender." "If this were the case, it would make no sense for any individual to experience gender dysphoria. After all, if socialization were sufficient to "correct" a person's nonconforming gender identity, why wouldn't the socialization they've already received by living in society throughout their life have been sufficient to make them gender-conforming?" Because being told that you're part of one category when you *feel* things that put you in another isn't socializing anything away. Or more, it's giving you socialization that creates a conflict within you. You're being told that you're part of A, while also being told that someone that feels your way is B. "Wouldn't society's conditioning have to come into conflict with a contrary (and not infinitely malleable) sense of self in order for dysphoria to occur?" Has anyone here been arguing that the sense of self is infinitely malleable? "Basically, it seems to me that the argument that you can socialize someone out of their gender supports both the morality and efficacy of conversion therapy for trans people. If it really worked, why wouldn't we encourage people to do that instead of undergoing highly invasive and expensive sex reassignment therapy/surgery?" Because socializing someone out of an identity sounds extremely brutal, time-intensive, and contrary to what people would want. If you're told that everyone called Tony wants to be a plumber, and no-one else is allowed to become a plumber, if you're called Paul and want to become a plumber, the solution isn't to go to a re-education camp for 4 years to learn to want to be an electrician (conversion therapy), the solution is to let people change their name to Tony if they wish (transition), and let everyone be a plumber anyway (abolish the social construct).
"she's afraid to commit to certain answers if she's not sure she's right about it." I hate to be caught defending demon mama but this is not a bad thing and should be everyone's default, people really need to quit commiting to wrong answers and this is step one.
Seriously this community is too volatile on Vaush. Vaush, Destiny, Bastiat, Sam Seder, David Pakman, etc. Are good faith actors even if you disagree with them. They are truth seekers in an actual way that makes them incredibly valuable.
Not Vaush. He's capable of turning the good faith on when it suits him and can enhance his position, but as soon as it might come at the cost of even slightly turning his chat off of him for 5 minutes he jumps right back into grifting.
I’m at 14:25 and I’ve been listening to Destiny try to remember the word “sharp” for most of those minutes, except he can’t think of it because musically, “sharp” has an extremely different connotation than it does colloquially
I thought he was looking for “warm” but said “dark” instead, which made me laugh scornfully. After googling it appears I’m the dummy and people do use “dark” to describe tone and timbre. Not sure where sharp would have been applicable?
@@wabznasm9660 he kept saying “shrill” and then changing his mind, for a voice that isn’t especially resonant and has a bright sound to it- I think the quality he’s referring to would be colloquially referred to as a sharper (and clearer) sound. it’s just that in music, “sharp” refers to the pitch being slightly too high, so it’s probably not the word a music guy would come up with.
@@somewhat-blue ah sorry I see now. I’ve never heard sharp used in that context and as you point out it’s already in use for an adjacent context. I’d advise finding another word to avoid confusion. Clear, tinny, thin, shrill, there’s loads.
There's a difference between say, otherkin or whatever an attack helicopter gender would be and actual genders, including non-binary ones. I don't think that's the problem with her arguments.
I don't think she is at all. Isn't the joke about "identifying as an attack helicopter" that you don't actually have a metal skin and rotors? To legitimize that argument you would have to make the claim that someone has rotors and the ability to fly, but that's obviously not what you're doing neither when you name your kid "Attack helicopter" or when you call your gender identity that.
@@Naskinlahtaaja But i'm trying to convince someone to treat me like an attack helicopter... Or I'm trying to convince someone to call me an attack helicopter? That is what I don't understand... Not in a "state level" but in a personal one.
@@Naskinlahtaaja Because I'm not sure if I can ask someone how I would like to be treated by showing certain characteristics... I think the most I can ask Is for them not to be abusive with me.
@@manuelantuna26 but you aren't trying to convince people to treat you like an attack helicopter (as in feeding you oil etc), not any more than you would be when you named yourself "Attack helicopter Antuña". Just because you called your gender identity that it wouldn't mean that you expect people to start feeding you oil or whatever, it would just be what you want to be called, similar to how you would want to be referred to as "Attack helicopter" if that was your name. And also, similar to how someone with the first name "Attack helicopter" would get ridiculed because it's obviously just a joke or a silly name, saying that your gender identity is "attack helicopter" would get ridiculed because it's obviously either a joke or a silly gender identity.
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It's verbose with the purpose of deliberately clogging the airwaves for minutes instead of for the purpose of clarifying a complex issue . There was one segment towards the end where she repeated a whole longer argument again just so she could talk over everyone else.
@@rogerandersen7046 Literally people are making statements about that relate to endocrinology when there are tons of literature relating to the subject. Especially the discussion about intersex people they were so off base with what the literature states with issues many intersex people experience. Just because it's not life threatening doesn't mean there are deleterious outcomes. XY females generally have to get their testicles removed because they literally won't go through puberty and have an increased risk of testicular cancer, Around 50% of XXY humans are infertile. I can keep rattling off more info. I can even point you to studies about what's actually observed in intersex if you'd like if it helps. These people are so out of their depth it's not even funny. Your hormone profile influences how you feel and what we feel when we ascribe it to feeling like a "woman" or a "man". Needlessly speculating when there's literature on it is insane when they are making statements that disagree with current scientific consensus. Alright wall of text over.
@@rogerandersen7046 I mean they said pitch & resonance are colloquial. It doesn't sound like much but its just one example that really sticks out how they just pretend like they know what they're saying but when you push them they don't actually have an answer or anything to back up their ideas. When you couple that with other examples from other conversations they add up, especially with DM as of recently.
I never thought I'd see eight adults do the ring-around-the-rosie for two hours, but I guess anything can happen. (Btw, the answer to the central question is that even in a gender-abolished society, there are certain behaviors and desired bodily characteristics that everyone will possess and exhibit. Even if we don't call that gender, it'll be the same concept. The best thing we can do is abolish oppressive gender ROLES, but keep gender EXPRESSION to maximize human happiness and let people be who they are.)
Because it hasn't been said yet, based take. Nothing wrong with gender roles as long as they're entirely optional and people can choose to engage with them or not in the least pressured way possible. My first gf hated classical gender roles, my second gf loved them. Doesn't mean on is 'better' than the other or more correct or more socially acceptable, people like what they like, let's just accept people have differences and not railroad those people in to where the differences are and let them take them anywhere. (Except you know jail and hyper-competitive shit but you know, in general)
“We don’t tell people what their name is” .... isn’t like 99% of the population told what their name is? Unless you have gotten a legal name change someone told you what your name is. I get the point but this is not the best point comparison XD
I think the intent of that was when someone introduces themselves as Steve, you don't turn around and keep calling them Dave because you think they look like a Dave.
@@heavysystemsinc. As you are a biological Dave, I would be engaging in the destruction of western society by calling you Steve. Such a distortion of reality won't find it's way into my vocabulary, Dave.
I think it’s quite a good comparison. For example you are assigned your name at birth and you are identified by that name for your life. At some point if you feel like you just don’t identify with that name you can go through channels to change it and everyone accepts it. However, there isn’t curriculum inside of schools or in media about how if you don’t like your name you can change it because if there was every child will be influenced towards changing their name. Same with trans
That's such a dumb comparison a name and a catagory are totally different things and are used for different utility a name is so we can identify an individual person and gender is a catagory with its own very different utilitys. For example if two people in a room of 100 other people and I said "can you pick out Rachel for me?" They'd be like who the fuck is Rachel? But if a say the tall skinny blond woman they could fairly quickly scan the room to find who I'm on about if I missed out woman they would again be lost. Now again if we know there name we can shout out "Rachel" and they would likely instantly respond. If we shout out tall skinny blond woman then they're unlikely to know we're talking to them
@@heavysystemsinc. the thing is you can't look like a Dave because it's just a name and as a name has never being used by sociaty to mean anything if I say man or woman you will have instantly implanted an image in there head because 99% of society uses the turms to mean a curtain thing for man adult human male for woman adult human female if 99% of people understand what I mean when I use a particular word and that word has 99% accuracy before we start using very rare examples to disprove my point. Then it's a very useful word is it not? I get that trans people can feel alienated by those defentions but even if we extend the definitions or do away with them then has that helped really? There still not the same as biological females that's just the harsh reality of it. What can be done though is socially we can refer to people presenting as woman as women or men the same as one it's obviously good manners but also for social utility it's still effective as if say I happen to know your trans but I refer to u as your biological sex to a stranger they're unlikely to know who I'm talking about so it does indeed make sense to refer to them as they present. But for different reasons we still need to maintain the original meaning of gender on other fields for example if we're talking about woman's productive rights then that conversation obviously isn't going to be including trans woman as it doesn't affect them if we're talking about woman's sports it's pretty hard to have any discussion about that if we're just using the one expanded turm of women the sentence should women be able to compete against women in sports? Doesn't make much sense. Now we could just use female or male but these turms don't have to refer to adults or even humans so they are instantly less useful and clumsy to use in conversation.
Timestamps on the "coming up" segment would be really nice. I'm looking at the time on the computer and going by that but some clips don't have that visible. Just a nice quality of life thing when you don't want to look through 2 hours of video.
Red Charlotte did a major gaffe there when discussing how tribes assigned gender roles. She's right that the jobs you were assigned were based on the gender you had, but the gender you had was not based on the job you had, but what was literally between your legs. It's why men who were physically inept and only capable of doing "women's" work were seen as less than other men because those jobs were set aside for women who lacked the physical capabilities of men. The irony in Demonmama wanting to remove categories for people, when she is extremely quick to apply categories to people, literally had me laughing out of my chair. She also can't even properly define what she's against, which is just borderline insane to anyone with even a basic level of critical thinking. In order to identify as a thing, you need to meet the criteria of whatever thing you are trying to identify as. So the characteristics. A person couldn't identify as a chair because they share none of the characteristic. The problem with Demonmama's position is that she is trying to identify as a woman without first defining what a woman is, and if you notice, when pressed to define it, she cannot. She dodges and tries to obfuscate the point. This is the frustrating thing for me with her because this isn't the first time she's had this exact discussion. The difference in this conversation is that she is attempting to make her claim of being a woman (without defining) to a biological woman who has experienced her entire life as a woman and all that entails. She's wrong again on how gender is defined in other cultures around the world, but that's an entirely different argument, one that I think should be made by someone from those regions. Womanhood is also not difficult to define at all as there are shared characteristics that all woman in the world share and similar experiences that they all face and have to deal with at some point in their lives.
Yes!!! I remember a documentary where a tribe had a trial to prove that they have transcended childhood and had become men. The men that failed the trials where forever looked down upon as children and even called women because they were only qualified for "women's work"
About gender in other cultures part, that is a thing that gets thrown around a lot but is not meaningful until you define gender first. I mean, a third gender usually means a person that doesn't conform with the roles of their sex.
Reading this comment now is amusing when the inability to define a woman is a common phenomenon in large groups of people. Culture is downstream from demonmama
Destiny is so fucking good at this, man. Every time someone makes what I think is a good argument that would be extremely difficult to counter, Destiny comes in and blows it out of the water, makes them look ridiculous lol. I know he can be extremely offensive and insensitive some times, but I think he's great.
that’s the best and worst part about him. whether you agree or disagree with destiny he’s very skilled at making a convincing argument to show why something makes sense more than another
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Use the word “brittle” rather than shrill. That’s what I’ve always used in a recording studio to identify the higher registers that didn’t sound airy or glassy the way I wanted. Or don’t, I’m not the boss of ya. Cheers.
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It’s not really different they just made that up cuz it sounds good I guess. When somebody is trans, they change their “gender” to match the other “sex” so to me it seems they’re not really different. I guess a trans person is the only time that there is any distinction.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
@@gregfar6398 I didn't transition so that wasn't an issue thankfully. I do tend to lower my voice subconsciously when talking to people which isn't very good because I get hoarse easily but yeah lol. I doubt that my training would've helped me develop a more passing voice tho, I'm a soprano so my training is usually more focused on my higher range (I'm afab, just to make things clear)
@@Cloudmuffintops ahh okay that’s interesting to hear about. I never thought about vocal training for trans afab people always assumed that hrt would do most of that work for them. Btw what script is your name written in ? Is that geez?
This is my problem with the trans topic, whenever I try to understand it and inevitably arrive at parts where I have questions, trying to get answers often leads me to people like her(?). Its one of the reasons I am super sceptical about the whole thing because a lot of what they are saying either makes no sense, contradicts itself or does not reflect reality. I want to be open and I want trans folks to live happy lives, but it is really hard to take this issue seriously with actors like her around.
I really don't like Demon Mama. Everytime I see her talking, she annoys me severely. I can't explain what it is about her attitude that makes her so unlikeable to me.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
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There seems to be a huge conceptual confusion going on here. Destiny is interested in the question "what is this phenomenon of gender". And others seem interested in two questions of "How do we know if one is of X gender" and "What should we do with the concept of gender" (Ie. Leave it, abolish it, expand it, etc) It must be so frustrating because no one is trying to answer Destiny's metaphysical question of what gender is, they're just talking about what we should consider it as.
There's no confusion here except on Destiny's end. The "phenomenon of gender" is just a combination of societal norms and expectations based on sex. Without the social norms, gender goes away. He asked a silly question at the end "if there's no internal concept of gender, then why can't trans people just socialize differently?" The answer is simple: because trans people have physical and biological aspects that don't line up with how they perceive themselves (I.e. nothing to do with society, would still happen on a deserted island). This was answered several times.
@@gskills55 But isn't the mere fact of having these "physical and biological aspects that don't line up with how they perceive themselves" exactly what Destiny is referencing? If the term "gender" simply refers to the external societal norms and expectations surrounding sex, and if a trans person could experience dysphoria even outside of the context of a society, then where is the "how they perceive themselves" coming from, if not from some internal point of reference (the "fact of the matter," as Destiny calls it)? For the above to logically follow, it seems to me that this hypothetical trans person's self-perception must be derived from something objective and immutable within their mind. If there is no "nurture" (society) to inform this person's dysphoria by way of comparison, then wouldn't it have to be derived from their "nature," or something biologically baked-in (basically, the "female-brain-in-a-man's-body" concept)? I believe Destiny is simply making the above argument that there must be some objective "fact of the matter" with regards to a person's self-identification (or lack thereof) with their objective sex. If this euphoria or dysphoria can occur within a person's own mind absent any societal point of reference, then doesn't this self-identification have to be innate to the individual and therefore objectively true, a.k.a. not a choice?
@@maxwellleatherman hmmm yes I think you're spot on thank you for the clarification. I don't think it's right for Destiny to conflate this concept with the term "gender" but I do agree now that this was the point he's trying to make. Nature vs nurture is much better terminology to frame this debate and I'm inclined to say we're talking about a psychological component of sex. You clarified his point better than he did I think.
@@gskills55 Yeah, I think it’s got to be difficult to tackle complex conversations like this in real time with so many people all muddying the waters with their own definitions of the same terms. Keyboard-warrioring is such a blissful luxury by comparison, lol... And yes, I definitely think “psychological component of sex” is what he was going for, but I wonder how many on this panel would actually grant its existence. This is a tough contradiction for me to understand, since it feels like on one hand some activists want to treat people as blank slates, but then indirectly invoke the innateness of psychological sex characteristics whenever they argue (correctly, I believe) that being trans isn’t a choice. After all, how could someone experience dysphoria of this kind if there weren’t specific psychological traits that either conformed (or didn’t) to their biological sex?
@@gskills55 DM does not agree or argue for that. Thats the entire issue. She can pretend all she wants, specially when vaush came on since he clearly disagreed with her stance, but that was the whole issue from the beginning. DM even specifically said that trans people can be socialized out of being trans
On one of my piano keyboard’s sound settings the G2 key sounds so much louder than the others through my headphones. Now I know why. Just learned something cool today:)
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Vaush seems to be assuming the direction of the causation. How does he know that gender dysphoria occurs beause of body dysphoria, rather than the other way around? when i hear trans people talk about their experiences growing up, they often suggest that their social dysphoria started first, and that that _sometimes_ leads to body dysphoria.
@J W Yes, i've heard trans people describe both scenarios. It seems like different people identify as trans for different reasons. Another thing i have noticed, is that some trans people characterize their experience as being more like an initial rejection of their birth sex group, which led to identification with opposite sex group -- almost like a process of deduction. And some trans people seem to be saying that it was more of a resonance with the opposite sex group without the initial rejection of their birth sex group.
@@nK-210 no it doesnt. took me like 3 in game days max. the first boss to get the pickaxe is really easy to kill, a spear and shield is all you need (the shield neutralizes nearly all the boss damage output). i mean you can even kill the boss with campfires easily enough
1:37:44 best part of the discussion. Destiny points out how long certain people on the panel talk for and then one of them goes on a 10 minute tangent.
Demon mama: I'm not saying the definition isn't useful because it's changed over time. Demon Mama 5 seconds later: over time the definition has changed that it cannot Encompass everything people think woman to be therefore it's incoherent.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
Gender (as it's being used in this discussion) is the social expression of a sex. It used to be a synonym for _sex,_ used to distinguish between sexual intercourse "sex" and biological sex. People dont know what they mean when they use the word "woman"? any confusion on that score has only existed for about 5 years, since people all of a sudden tried to obfuscate what the word means.The dictionary tells you the definition of "woman", because we've always known what that word refers to. It only _exists_ as a word because females exist. When used literally, it has _always_ been used in reference to adult females and nothing else. Everything pertaining to our concepts of "womanhood" pertain to females.
Precisely. That is when vaush (and others who share the same position) lose me, If you say that the concept of womanhood varies across cultures then there must be a part that stay constant for you to be able to put all of those concepts under the same name. That constant thing is sex and there is no other way around it.
@@Daniel-cz9gt Yes, i kind of get baffled by some of these convo's. Many times i've seen people say things like "how does anyone know that they're a woman?" or "feel like woman?", and the answer that first comes to mind -- the one that seems so inextricably obvious -- is "because i'm female". Even as a child i would have made reference to my body to answer that question, maybe because, in many ways, i wasnt gender conforming. It seems so obvious, yet people ask it as if there isn't an obvious answer. I sometimes think that people are scared of admitting that because they think if they do it will help people to justify denying trangender people rights, but that doesnt seem to be the case. You can acknowledge that a coherent understanding of gender places it in a certain relationship with sex, and still support trans people in legally changing their gender to the one they identify as, for very practical reasons.
@J W Medical transition has existed for quite a while though hasnt it? i think the first medical transition in the UK happened in the 60's. Although she did have to travel to...i want to say Morocco.
@J W Ignore that last post, i just checked and the first recorded medical transition was Roberta Elizabeth Marshall Cowell in 1951. She didnt have to travel for the surgery, but she could only have it on the understanding that she was intersex, which she wasnt, but she had a sympathetic therapist who helped her out with it.
A good example of high pitch and high resonance is soprano singers in musical theatre and opera, where as high pitch and low resonance would be screamers - think Aerosmith or AC/DC. Low pitch and high resonance would be a bass/baritone singer, Javert in Les Mis is a good example. I can’t think of any low resonance and low pitch examples, but I’m sure they’re out there
A great way to demonstrate the difference in resonance between sounds of the same pitch is to listen to a violin recording that includes sections of Sol G, where entire phrases are played only on the G string (the lowest string on the violin). It becomes really intuitive with that example.
I have no idea what kinda of trajectory Destiny has planned for himself. Not this video specifically, but a majority of this older stuff and Hippie Dippie was much better content than what is currently going, and I believe if he could get these types of panels together rn it would easily bring in 200-300k views!
It kinda is but only for people who have no understanding of the subject. You wouldn’t refer to it as deeper once you know especially if you are trans.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
maybe i also didnt understand stephen's question, but i felt like Vaush actually did a really good job answering it and destiny was too caught up in hysterics to listen to it.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
A good way to exemplify resonance vs pitch is to just hold a note normally and then shift the resonance to your nose (try to sound really nasally). You will be holding a note at the same pitch, but the sound (because of resonance) will sound vastly different.
As a scientist, listening to this panel was morbidly entertaining. Man, I actually wish I was in this panel so I could introduce the term “bimodal spectrum” and introduce the known evolution of gender in language as a simplistic tool used to identify the opposite sex. It’s literally proven. That research is done. Destiny is the only one that knows even a little about this from his correct intuition.
@@mikebiggums1921 , because sex is the basis for the creation of gender in the vast majority of civilizations that have ever existed. Evolutionarily speaking, being able to linguistically discern male from female was important. Gender was simply a linguistic tool to make it simple to reference whether a person was male, female, or unknown/androgynous in conversation. It’s only purpose was to aid in classification; whether a person was a possible mate, a possible threat, etc. it was never intended to do anything except aid in the rapid understanding of feminine vs masculine on a bimodal scale, where androgynous fell in the center. That’s how this connects. Destiny was on the right path, intuitively. Being seen as a women meant being seen as female, which is a set of goals trans women traditionally tried to achieve. Humans have certain traits that are biologically dependent. In Scandinavia. Women and men naturally separated into societal roles without being coerced by an oppressive gender role dictate. This happened in the most egalitarian Society in the world. The experiment has been repeated with the same results multiple times. The sampling size is pretty much on a National scale. Gender differences maximized along the lines of previous trends. This is a direct connection between sex and gender in that females tend to resonate with feminine ideals and men with masculine ideals. Also, 99.8% of males claim to be men and 99.8% of females claim to be women. In the sciences, This is about as close as it gets something being proven as true.
@@misteralias2850 *"sex is the basis for the creation of gender in the vast majority of civilizations that have ever existed"* and just like you, I don't see that changing in a million years. But apparently the people in the video have figured it out... despite the fact that any species that doesn't value sex (both the act and the categorization) highly enough almost surely dies out.
If gender identity is a social construct, and genitals have nothing to do with it. Than why is transgender a thing? This logic invalidates the trans community no?
Sikhs use the name Singh and Kaur as their last name to identify as one family within Sikhism. So yes names can also be a categorical identifier in different cultures
Whenever Destiny and Vaush team up in debates it's like when rival characters in anime team up to fight the main villain.
Destiny: "Looks like our rematch will have to wait Vaush"
Vaush: "Don't you die out here the only person killing you is me"
This is the best comment. You won
Goku and Vegeta🤔
Yes! This!!
Not a cult, nothing parasocial here
@@10kbrandon80 Which explains why Vaushtiny is so strong, since it's Gogeta.
Vaush: Prepare for trouble!
Destiny: ....and make it double!
Didn't vaush screw over destiny big time before? What makes you think he wouldn't do it again
@@larrydacunha202 I honestly don’t know what you’re referring too. Seems suspect
@@larrydacunha202 no. some of his fans brigaded destiny but there was no signal to from vaush himself to do so.
Omg lets meme it.
To protect the world from devastation- destiny
To unite all lefties within thy nation- Vaush
To denounce the evils of misinformation -Destiny
To extend our reach to our shafts below-Vaush
Came to see my parents together again and then stayed for the vocal training lessons
@@Ken-vn7mx super ironic that all the people spreading pedo rumors about Vaush and Destiny are neo-nazis, and anyone with even a cursory knowledge of that movement knows that they think pedophilia means "anytime someone disagrees with me" and that they describe pedophilia by using the term "traditional Christian marriage"
@@Azraelmaximilian Yes... we know. Everyone that hurts your feelings is a neo nazi. Strange that so many neo nazis apparently exist all over the place, and yet they have not a shred of political power, or even representation.
One would imagine in a world secretly controlled by white supremacists and macho men, that they would be able to easily find political representation. Must be part of the greater conspiracy, reeeeee
@@TheBasedUchiha ignoring all the lables. Why do people call destiny a pedo?
@@TheBasedUchiha cope and seethe rightoid
@@Ken-vn7mx LMAOOOO don't go calling people cowards WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANIME PFP BAHAHAHAHAHA
You know when Steven says "I don't wanna get baited into this, ok?" He DEFINITELY wants to get baited into it
He’s such a tease
No means yes GrugW
@@aslemartinsen5284 Good job completely missing the overarching point.
@@aslemartinsen5284 The categorizations based on biology are social constructs
@@aslemartinsen5284 Well, if we really want to break it down, both, language-wise are social constructs, destiny doesn't define these as such to discredit them, just to show that social constructs hold power and are important.
Last time I was this early, a bastardization of the Waltz was invented in the form of Jazz music
Trumpet go brrrrrrfrfrfrfrt
Last time I was this early Russia subsidized classical music to save high culture.
Jokes aside, I still can't get over how much that dumb guy got crushed twice by daddy
THAT’S NOT HIGH CULTURE!!!
Solid Gold Oldies: Meme Edition
Vaush & Destiny: "I just can't quit you!"
I'd write fanfiction about it if it wouldn't need three chapters of the two debating who should be the top to be believeable.
@@Idnesra that debate would be the best part! That's where all the sexual tension comes from!
I wish I knew how to quit you.
🤠
Now I'm imagining the tent scene with them 😳
As a trans person, i feel like my voice is my biggest giveaway, so to hear someone explain how to adjust it better to only be shouted down by demonmama is awful
shes a great litmus test for me, everything she disagrees with is generally correct
@@EsotericOccultist virgin alert
@@EsotericOccultist wow I can just tell that no one likes you. I almost pity you.
Demon mama intensely criticize Destiny for his effect on transgender people. And how they are effectively silenced by his influence. She then goes on to actively tell someone educating her on the differences when it comes to voices. To leave the podcast if she can't handle being there. Actively encouraging her to go because the person in question didn't feel like she was being listened to.
@@EsotericOccultist Imagine having nothing better to do than stalk a random youtubers comment section and bait people because their ideas trigger you.
Very not pathetic.
Demonmama being a bully and trying to kick someone off the panel while prime is like: 😐
Great moderating as always prime.
Prime really said: 🗿
Someone who isn’t trans is talking:😤
🌝 Me patiently waiting through every debate for Prime's moderation habits to finally pull Destiny's pin
Prime is so annoying. His stutter and cowardace is just uh
Prime is a useless moderator.
When Vaush and Destiny debate together: Naruto Shippuden Opening 1
When Vaush and Destiny debate each other: Naruto Shippuden Opening 2
Vaush and Destiny are the Madara and Hashirama of the debate bro cinematic universe
@@kyleaca5122 go outside
@@pseb22 get inside
@@carterjo5630 go down
So True!
9:55 "demonmama just called out a voice as being deeper, talking about pitch when im talking about ressonance"
"Its the same its colloquial"
As a musician and a beatboxer i have never been more triggered over 5 words
Trust me as a trans woman in voice training the amount pitch and resonance are confused/conflated is astounding
Yo you beatbox? Are you in the Destiny discord?
Same
“As a beat boxer” lmao
@@finnancahill2644 found the NEET
When your divorced parents put aside their differences to go out to dinner with you to celebrate your birthday
Best birthday ever! :)
Except Vaush wasn’t siding with Destiny this time
@@nightlydrugs6927 Hence the "divorced" part
@@Nikifuj908 Yeah fair enough. Destiny’s editor just had me salty after this clickbaity title.
Demon Mama doing exactly what the Riley was criticizing her for. Being poorly educated about what she's talking about and then going on to poorly argue her position. Then treating it like it doesn't matter since her ego far too big.
Her fatal flaw seems to be her stubbornness and ego. It might help in being assertive in debates, but really makes it like talking to a wall as soon as the debate isnt bad faith bloodsports.
@@sorrycantspeakfrench She's always incredibly verbose and incoherent. She can go on and on nonsensically.
@@HoldenCoughfield Im usually quite forgiving with being verbose and rambly, not everyone is a seasoned online debater. Except that she is supposed to be one... I hope shell turn around for the better some day
she's soooo insufferable
@@sorrycantspeakfrench Pretty funny to watch her pretend like everything she said up to that point made sense when Vaush came on.
The oh wait i identify as non-binary i can join is had me dying lol
timestamp?
Destiny “I gotta sleep”
He did not go to sleep.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
mommy and daddy are rethinking their divorce
The mom and dad are hasan and dest
@@vorvv feelsbadman
I genuinely think these two together can do a ridiculous amount of good online
I just learned that I can resonate with my bathroom.
Thank you Steven.
YOU'RE A GENIUS DUDE
THANK you steven
I already resonated with my bathroom because I'm full of shit.
You’re a fucking musician!
@@Oblivlawls We are steps ahead!
People who have studied voice realize you can change your resonance were speaking in the same way that you can change your resonance while singing. Placing your voice more in your nose and sinuses will leave you with a brighter sounding quality due to that resonate space in your head while placing it more towards the back of your throat or feeling like you’re sinking it to your chest will give it a deeper feel due to that resonate space. Also the way you shape your vowels can impact resonance. The amount of air used to sing or speak is another factor. There are so many cool biological tricks to use to change your resonance.
I love hearing Destiny include his music theory knowledge in other discussions. Super cool to see.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
@@prophetesskarol5754 ok
Everybody's gangsta until Destiny starts talking about Flugelhorns
@@prophetesskarol5754 Cringe
He was a bit off though with the trumpet, tuba analogy...you can’t play them cleanly but with pedal tones you can play well into the tubas range.
Flügelhorn*
@@bbwolf326 True True I agree with your statement
Demonmama always "crazy making" people. Then she randomly starts antagonizing people, "You gonna be okay?" "You should drop from this panel, because it seems you can't handle this conversation."
This person chose their name "Demonmama" accurately, because they are most definitely a monster. I've never seen someone just repeatedly bully people in panels & attack well-intentioned creators who aren't even willing to engage in the conflict. The trans community must have better representatives than this
@@scarlet8078 RGR is a good example of a good debater for trans rights.
And this type of communicating, of riling someone up and then belittling them for being riled up, is emotional abuse
any day when I don't think about her is a good day
@@BobardeZanzibar I like her content :)
1:05:00 "I think Discord is bugging out cuz you really sound like Demon Mama right now" 10/10 Best way to tell someone that you're not addressing them. Killed me XD
demon mama never shuts up lol
I played the violin for 12 years and recently picked up the viola for fun and the ressonance convo Demonmama had made me contemplate ending my video game, not even joking.
@@prophetesskarol5754 Ben Burgis
@@prophetesskarol5754 bruh
@@prophetesskarol5754 based
Finally, another legendary duo debate
Vaushs Twitch unbanning has given us glorious content
Frenemies
not quite lol
They clearly held different positions
Maybe one day but this wasn’t it.
The entire time during the demonmamma debate shit, all I could think about was, Corpse Husband would have a hell of a time trying to change his voice if he came out as trans..
He could change it higher but would he pass? Probably not.
@@luciddoggo5094 he's not tho. His voice is naturally like that
Lucid Doggo “Corpse is chronically ill, and has conditions such as fibromyalgia, thoracic outlet syndrome and GERD, the latter of which has partially caused his voice to become deeper.”
Cleaning my house just got spicier I hope
Hope you clean your room first
*Jordan Peterson wants to know your location*
@@cassie6985 Fuck. You just summarised my life.
Vaush at 1:51:56: "I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore." Ok glad I'm not the only one
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
@@prophetesskarol5754 I thought it was spam until I saw the name 😂
@@brandonden795 it is, look at the profile
"All Trans Everything". This can only end well for DGG
I Remember that song
There was zero conversation about the Pontiac Trans Am. The title is a lie
@@SammyBooy2814 Trinidad James’ best song
@@FatalAspire trinidad James, a hero for the trans community, ahead of his time in so many ways.
Beard daddy and his tiny son debate the world
Tinny*
Or is it tiny beard daddy and his giant Viking son?
@@rudyeb4603 more accurate certainly.
I feel so bad for that woman who DM bullied off the panel.. like wtf she was trying to help with her experience..
That's sadly a real problem with a portion with the Trans community.
@@lordhelix2760 😞
@@lordhelix2760 Exactly. This "demonmama" is indeed a monster. It's ironic that these aggressive, combative individuals who constantly instigate conflict are the ones simultaneously insisting that the world perceive them as women. Transmen don't act that way, even when treated with tes. This undeniable fact undermines the most extreme arguments, e.g., that sex isn't real, doesn't relate to gender, etc.
How was that bullying? She didn't like the discussion, so she chose to leave.
@@alex-qd6of it's the way DM treats people, she specifically says very personal attacks, because that is all she knows to do if someone is bring reasonable experiences and ideas that conflict with hers. DM does it to almost anyone. She tried to do it too Destiny, but unlike many who would get upset and angry, destiny just did it back at her to show how petty she is.
I want hutch, destiny, and Vaush
3 vs 3 debate with trumpists
I'd like to know what position they all even agree with to make that happen lmao
@@BouncinBrandon id imagine most social positions they'd agree on.
@@JCpwnge balls BALLS!
@@EsotericOccultist Hasn't Vaush said the N word 10x more than Destiny?
What is a "trumpist"? Is that just some boogeyman that the leftist creators have made up in order to "dunk" on strawman positions that nobody has?
i think one of the most painful things that ive ever experienced is hearing demonmama use destiny's tendencies at him
Destiny Vaush and Demonmama is the human centipede
I was actually shocked he didn't call her out on it. I'd have died laughing if I was in his shoes. She's just so unlikable I'm shocked she has a following. Her and Mike from PA both have this vibe of complete douchbagery that seems to strike a chord with people and I just don't get it.
@@mushroomheaification their audience just likes seeing them attack people. They don't care about the deeper points they want blood.
Her using Destiny's tendencies is funny considering she attacked Riley over "doing the Destiny thing" tho. Goes to show this person has no principles & will say whatever wins them an argument.
I love how top left gets excited when destiny makes a good point lol.
Top left seemed sweet the whole way through
She's totally adorable.
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 "she"
@@GeometryDashKenaz yes.. she
As a father of a 2 and 4 year old, I identify as a chair. Wether I like it or not...
is this an “attack helicopter “ joke in 2021?
@@blueberryshortcake8478 It is a dad joke
Your identity is a social construct. As society evolves you will be identified as a bank or a restaurant.
laughing at this turned me into a boomer with grandkids i adore
@@blueberryshortcake8478 its a joke because kids constantly sit on their dads lap, so hes a chair
I honestly have a lot of trouble grappling with these kind of questions. As someone who isn't trans I find it incredibly difficult to sympathize with them because when I try to imagine the experience I really don't feel I have any context to ground myself on, and it feels like the whole issue ultimately comes down to feelings and personal experience.
One thing I notice a lot though especially in this conversation is it feels like a lot of people today want categories and labels to perfectly encapsulate everything within it, and I don't think that ever really works. Regardless of if the category is JRPG, Soup, Gender or furniture, you're always going to find some blurry edges that raise some questions if you get too critical about the system. I think the best utility of categories is to just accept their imperfections, understand somethings might not technically fit our prescribed criteria even if we intuitively can accept that they should fit within that category. This is kind of hard to grapple with though because it seems to really bother some people if things don't neatly fit into their mental boxes, and some people seem to take pleasure in breaking down concepts and categories.
Not really sure what my point is, just food for thought I guess. :)
Yeah - I'm very sympathetic to trans causes, but I find it troubling that a lot of activists seem to want to dismiss entire categories merely because outliers exist... The idea that a binary should be disregarded if even a tiny percentage of its sample size fails to conform seems intellectually silly to me.
@@maxwellleatherman How is it silly, it logically follows. A binary is 1 *or* 0, not mostly 1 and 0.
We know gender is not inherently binary so why should we keep that idea?
Some of us do believe gender is binary. I just think that your sex isn't what defines your gender. It's more so what feels more identifying for you. This also makes gender seem useless because it's all just words in the end.
@@AnimeFan9833
The current trans argument suggests that binary exists as 1's and 0's and that because somebody found a 2 we should throw out the entire binary system. The problem is that most people, something like 99% of people, would see that 2 and assume it was a typo, not a glaring flaw with the system, and proceed to delete it and move on with their lives.
Most people are willing to conform to the concept of gender. Most people aren't douchebags and will generally respect somebody's wishes or just choose not to associate with that person to avoid a confrontation. Most people don't want to cause trouble. With that being the case, advocating for the abolition of gender is like advocating for programmers to stop using binary. There may be a better system on the horizon, but they'd starve waiting for it to be implemented.
@@AnimeFan9833 do humans have 10 fingers?
Why did this have to show up right in my feeeed while I’m at work!? Can’t wait to get home to see the fireworks.
Same dude. The angry gay dads reuinite, im so hyped
Let's wimpify the world ... I am neither man or woman, I am a Muppet, therefore genderless, make me a shiny happy person.. rawr.
Also, what? ugh.
God I hope I die before the world gets so messed up it's unrecognisable, I'll leave this cursed world to my unfortunate children in hopes their mental strength training doesn't fail them. I'll be sure to leave a post-it note stuck to the fridge.
Demonmama's biggest interest in this convo is her ego. She likes the sound of her voice and that's it. I think calling Destiny out for being performative when you literally can't make a single point without going on a 5 minute monologue is pretty telling. Her primary concern when talking is self adulation and she does nothing to further the conversation.
Quickest way to tell if someone is a narcissist, interrupt them a little bit and see if the general response is "Hold on a sec" or "I'm nearly done", or is it "Hold on, if I'm even ABLE to respond, though if people keep interrupting me it's going to be a lot harder to do that, I mean I've hardly had any time at all to respond and I was quiet when you were talking about your side so you should really be a little bit more respectful when I talk about my side, and with a little bit of respect both ways, we can probably get a whole lot further in this conversation, now anyways back to why the age of consent should be-"
This was painful in the elimination debate for Hippy Dippy. Destiny would make a cogent point in 2 minutes at most, demonmama would start to respond and be stopped by a 1 word jab, then spend literally 5 minutes ranting about not being able to talk, and not even really replying at all because she was too busy bitching about other people to make a point. Not to mention the ridiculous victim mentality, she'd spend like half the time for a panel meant for 8 people and then when people jab at her for whining spend another 2 minutes whining and end it with "I wonder why people would be targeting me of all people on this panel, hmmmm, I wonder, really curious, hmmmm", like holy fuck people hate you cause you're a dumbfuck whiner not cause you're trans. As soon as another trans person joined it was hilarious watching her bite her tongue. Can't call them transphobes if they're not doing it to other transpeople.
Destiny: "Can you socialize someone out of their gender?"
Demonmama: "Uh...maybe, I'm not sure"
Vaush: "You can absolutely do that"
Demonmama: "You can absolutely do that"
Fuck, why did Vaush have to open his big fucking mouth and help her out? I don't think he meant to, but Destiny was 100% right when he said that she was going to dance around the question because she's afraid to commit to certain answers if she's not sure she's right about it and Vaush basically gave her an out lmao
vaush fan here, yeah. I don't think he meant to do that though.
If one believes that biological sex has no causal relationship to a person's gender conformity/nonconformity, then the only reasonable answer to "can you socialize someone out of their gender?" is "yes." If something is 100% socially constructed, then it can be 100% socially deconstructed. However, I think that this is a really difficult bullet to bite in the case of trans issues.
By way of analogy, the reason that we understand conversion therapy (a form of aggressive re-socialization) to be cruel in the case of gay people is that we don't believe sexual orientation to be 100% socially informed. If we believe that a person is gay due to underlying immutable aspects of their psychology (their nature, not their nurture), then re-socialization can only repress their immutable sexual preference, not actually change it, which we believe harms that individual more than it helps them (rightly, I think).
If a trans person could really be socialized out of their societally-nonconforming gender expression and into one that societally conforms to their biological sex, that would imply that there's nothing immutable or "baked-in" about an individual's gender identity. If this were the case, it would make no sense for any individual to experience gender dysphoria. After all, if socialization were sufficient to "correct" a person's nonconforming gender identity, why wouldn't the socialization they've already received by living in society throughout their life have been sufficient to make them gender-conforming? Wouldn't society's conditioning have to come into conflict with a contrary (and not infinitely malleable) sense of self in order for dysphoria to occur?
Basically, it seems to me that the argument that you can socialize someone out of their gender supports both the morality and efficacy of conversion therapy for trans people. If it really worked, why wouldn't we encourage people to do that instead of undergoing highly invasive and expensive sex reassignment therapy/surgery?
Vaush is wayyyy too charitable to demonmama imo
@@maxwellleatherman Being able to socialize someone into understanding certain definitions of categories from birth doesn't mean that we can socialize them from an identification in one category, to an identification in another. Vaush's examples were "If we go to an island where we make the words 'man' and 'woman' mean completely different things for everyone from birth" rather than "Let's take one person in our society and change only their conception of gender."
"If this were the case, it would make no sense for any individual to experience gender dysphoria. After all, if socialization were sufficient to "correct" a person's nonconforming gender identity, why wouldn't the socialization they've already received by living in society throughout their life have been sufficient to make them gender-conforming?"
Because being told that you're part of one category when you *feel* things that put you in another isn't socializing anything away. Or more, it's giving you socialization that creates a conflict within you. You're being told that you're part of A, while also being told that someone that feels your way is B.
"Wouldn't society's conditioning have to come into conflict with a contrary (and not infinitely malleable) sense of self in order for dysphoria to occur?"
Has anyone here been arguing that the sense of self is infinitely malleable?
"Basically, it seems to me that the argument that you can socialize someone out of their gender supports both the morality and efficacy of conversion therapy for trans people. If it really worked, why wouldn't we encourage people to do that instead of undergoing highly invasive and expensive sex reassignment therapy/surgery?"
Because socializing someone out of an identity sounds extremely brutal, time-intensive, and contrary to what people would want. If you're told that everyone called Tony wants to be a plumber, and no-one else is allowed to become a plumber, if you're called Paul and want to become a plumber, the solution isn't to go to a re-education camp for 4 years to learn to want to be an electrician (conversion therapy), the solution is to let people change their name to Tony if they wish (transition), and let everyone be a plumber anyway (abolish the social construct).
"she's afraid to commit to certain answers if she's not sure she's right about it." I hate to be caught defending demon mama but this is not a bad thing and should be everyone's default, people really need to quit commiting to wrong answers and this is step one.
Seriously this community is too volatile on Vaush. Vaush, Destiny, Bastiat, Sam Seder, David Pakman, etc. Are good faith actors even if you disagree with them. They are truth seekers in an actual way that makes them incredibly valuable.
Not Vaush. He's capable of turning the good faith on when it suits him and can enhance his position, but as soon as it might come at the cost of even slightly turning his chat off of him for 5 minutes he jumps right back into grifting.
@@Ridistrict lol
@@Ridistrict what's an example of him grifting?
@@Ridistrict So stupid, the only group that has more of a conflict with Vaush than the Nazis are his own chat.
@@leroture7750 TH-cam or Discord? Cause his TH-cam chat worships him.
I’m at 14:25 and I’ve been listening to Destiny try to remember the word “sharp” for most of those minutes, except he can’t think of it because musically, “sharp” has an extremely different connotation than it does colloquially
I thought he was looking for “warm” but said “dark” instead, which made me laugh scornfully. After googling it appears I’m the dummy and people do use “dark” to describe tone and timbre. Not sure where sharp would have been applicable?
@@wabznasm9660 he kept saying “shrill” and then changing his mind, for a voice that isn’t especially resonant and has a bright sound to it- I think the quality he’s referring to would be colloquially referred to as a sharper (and clearer) sound. it’s just that in music, “sharp” refers to the pitch being slightly too high, so it’s probably not the word a music guy would come up with.
@@somewhat-blue yesss that's the word... As a "music guy" I couldn't come up with it too.
@@somewhat-blue ah sorry I see now. I’ve never heard sharp used in that context and as you point out it’s already in use for an adjacent context. I’d advise finding another word to avoid confusion. Clear, tinny, thin, shrill, there’s loads.
I feel like DM is legitimizing the attack helicopter joke by saying that gender should function the same way as a name..
There's a difference between say, otherkin or whatever an attack helicopter gender would be and actual genders, including non-binary ones. I don't think that's the problem with her arguments.
I don't think she is at all. Isn't the joke about "identifying as an attack helicopter" that you don't actually have a metal skin and rotors? To legitimize that argument you would have to make the claim that someone has rotors and the ability to fly, but that's obviously not what you're doing neither when you name your kid "Attack helicopter" or when you call your gender identity that.
@@Naskinlahtaaja
But i'm trying to convince someone to treat me like an attack helicopter... Or I'm trying to convince someone to call me an attack helicopter?
That is what I don't understand... Not in a "state level" but in a personal one.
@@Naskinlahtaaja
Because I'm not sure if I can ask someone how I would like to be treated by showing certain characteristics... I think the most I can ask Is for them not to be abusive with me.
@@manuelantuna26 but you aren't trying to convince people to treat you like an attack helicopter (as in feeding you oil etc), not any more than you would be when you named yourself "Attack helicopter Antuña". Just because you called your gender identity that it wouldn't mean that you expect people to start feeding you oil or whatever, it would just be what you want to be called, similar to how you would want to be referred to as "Attack helicopter" if that was your name.
And also, similar to how someone with the first name "Attack helicopter" would get ridiculed because it's obviously just a joke or a silly name, saying that your gender identity is "attack helicopter" would get ridiculed because it's obviously either a joke or a silly gender identity.
Demonmama is so incredibly verbose. I feel like she spent half the video talking. I realize she thinks she's intelligent, but jesus.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
It's verbose with the purpose of deliberately clogging the airwaves for minutes instead of for the purpose of clarifying a complex issue . There was one segment towards the end where she repeated a whole longer argument again just so she could talk over everyone else.
@@prophetesskarol5754
depraved.
It’s so frustrating watching people pretend they are experts in subjects they know nothing about.
Who pretended to be an expert? Where is the line between giving their perspective and someone proclaiming themselves as experts?
@@rogerandersen7046 I love how this person's so desperate for attention they have to repeat it to your comment that wasn't directed at them.
@@rogerandersen7046 Literally people are making statements about that relate to endocrinology when there are tons of literature relating to the subject. Especially the discussion about intersex people they were so off base with what the literature states with issues many intersex people experience. Just because it's not life threatening doesn't mean there are deleterious outcomes.
XY females generally have to get their testicles removed because they literally won't go through puberty and have an increased risk of testicular cancer, Around 50% of XXY humans are infertile. I can keep rattling off more info. I can even point you to studies about what's actually observed in intersex if you'd like if it helps. These people are so out of their depth it's not even funny. Your hormone profile influences how you feel and what we feel when we ascribe it to feeling like a "woman" or a "man". Needlessly speculating when there's literature on it is insane when they are making statements that disagree with current scientific consensus. Alright wall of text over.
@@purple7filth lol I noticed that too
@@rogerandersen7046 I mean they said pitch & resonance are colloquial. It doesn't sound like much but its just one example that really sticks out how they just pretend like they know what they're saying but when you push them they don't actually have an answer or anything to back up their ideas.
When you couple that with other examples from other conversations they add up, especially with DM as of recently.
Salute from France DGG !
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Oui.
Noice
@Altar Boi 425 hallo mein freund
I never thought I'd see eight adults do the ring-around-the-rosie for two hours, but I guess anything can happen.
(Btw, the answer to the central question is that even in a gender-abolished society, there are certain behaviors and desired bodily characteristics that everyone will possess and exhibit. Even if we don't call that gender, it'll be the same concept. The best thing we can do is abolish oppressive gender ROLES, but keep gender EXPRESSION to maximize human happiness and let people be who they are.)
Because it hasn't been said yet, based take. Nothing wrong with gender roles as long as they're entirely optional and people can choose to engage with them or not in the least pressured way possible. My first gf hated classical gender roles, my second gf loved them. Doesn't mean on is 'better' than the other or more correct or more socially acceptable, people like what they like, let's just accept people have differences and not railroad those people in to where the differences are and let them take them anywhere. (Except you know jail and hyper-competitive shit but you know, in general)
“We don’t tell people what their name is” .... isn’t like 99% of the population told what their name is? Unless you have gotten a legal name change someone told you what your name is. I get the point but this is not the best point comparison XD
I think the intent of that was when someone introduces themselves as Steve, you don't turn around and keep calling them Dave because you think they look like a Dave.
@@heavysystemsinc. As you are a biological Dave, I would be engaging in the destruction of western society by calling you Steve. Such a distortion of reality won't find it's way into my vocabulary, Dave.
I think it’s quite a good comparison. For example you are assigned your name at birth and you are identified by that name for your life. At some point if you feel like you just don’t identify with that name you can go through channels to change it and everyone accepts it. However, there isn’t curriculum inside of schools or in media about how if you don’t like your name you can change it because if there was every child will be influenced towards changing their name. Same with trans
That's such a dumb comparison a name and a catagory are totally different things and are used for different utility a name is so we can identify an individual person and gender is a catagory with its own very different utilitys. For example if two people in a room of 100 other people and I said "can you pick out Rachel for me?" They'd be like who the fuck is Rachel? But if a say the tall skinny blond woman they could fairly quickly scan the room to find who I'm on about if I missed out woman they would again be lost. Now again if we know there name we can shout out "Rachel" and they would likely instantly respond. If we shout out tall skinny blond woman then they're unlikely to know we're talking to them
@@heavysystemsinc. the thing is you can't look like a Dave because it's just a name and as a name has never being used by sociaty to mean anything if I say man or woman you will have instantly implanted an image in there head because 99% of society uses the turms to mean a curtain thing for man adult human male for woman adult human female if 99% of people understand what I mean when I use a particular word and that word has 99% accuracy before we start using very rare examples to disprove my point. Then it's a very useful word is it not? I get that trans people can feel alienated by those defentions but even if we extend the definitions or do away with them then has that helped really? There still not the same as biological females that's just the harsh reality of it. What can be done though is socially we can refer to people presenting as woman as women or men the same as one it's obviously good manners but also for social utility it's still effective as if say I happen to know your trans but I refer to u as your biological sex to a stranger they're unlikely to know who I'm talking about so it does indeed make sense to refer to them as they present.
But for different reasons we still need to maintain the original meaning of gender on other fields for example if we're talking about woman's productive rights then that conversation obviously isn't going to be including trans woman as it doesn't affect them if we're talking about woman's sports it's pretty hard to have any discussion about that if we're just using the one expanded turm of women the sentence should women be able to compete against women in sports? Doesn't make much sense. Now we could just use female or male but these turms don't have to refer to adults or even humans so they are instantly less useful and clumsy to use in conversation.
Timestamps on the "coming up" segment would be really nice. I'm looking at the time on the computer and going by that but some clips don't have that visible. Just a nice quality of life thing when you don't want to look through 2 hours of video.
Dumbledore dies on page 596
can we get destiny to bring Alice into the stream and have a decent conversation?
The term chair is truly meaningless when we have cats on the internet shaping human perspectives with "If I fit, I sit".
This is absolute gold
Red Charlotte did a major gaffe there when discussing how tribes assigned gender roles. She's right that the jobs you were assigned were based on the gender you had, but the gender you had was not based on the job you had, but what was literally between your legs. It's why men who were physically inept and only capable of doing "women's" work were seen as less than other men because those jobs were set aside for women who lacked the physical capabilities of men.
The irony in Demonmama wanting to remove categories for people, when she is extremely quick to apply categories to people, literally had me laughing out of my chair. She also can't even properly define what she's against, which is just borderline insane to anyone with even a basic level of critical thinking.
In order to identify as a thing, you need to meet the criteria of whatever thing you are trying to identify as. So the characteristics. A person couldn't identify as a chair because they share none of the characteristic. The problem with Demonmama's position is that she is trying to identify as a woman without first defining what a woman is, and if you notice, when pressed to define it, she cannot. She dodges and tries to obfuscate the point. This is the frustrating thing for me with her because this isn't the first time she's had this exact discussion. The difference in this conversation is that she is attempting to make her claim of being a woman (without defining) to a biological woman who has experienced her entire life as a woman and all that entails.
She's wrong again on how gender is defined in other cultures around the world, but that's an entirely different argument, one that I think should be made by someone from those regions.
Womanhood is also not difficult to define at all as there are shared characteristics that all woman in the world share and similar experiences that they all face and have to deal with at some point in their lives.
Yes!!! I remember a documentary where a tribe had a trial to prove that they have transcended childhood and had become men.
The men that failed the trials where forever looked down upon as children and even called women because they were only qualified for "women's work"
“Biological woman” ya lost me buddy lol
About gender in other cultures part, that is a thing that gets thrown around a lot but is not meaningful until you define gender first. I mean, a third gender usually means a person that doesn't conform with the roles of their sex.
Reading this comment now is amusing when the inability to define a woman is a common phenomenon in large groups of people. Culture is downstream from demonmama
Destiny is so fucking good at this, man. Every time someone makes what I think is a good argument that would be extremely difficult to counter, Destiny comes in and blows it out of the water, makes them look ridiculous lol. I know he can be extremely offensive and insensitive some times, but I think he's great.
that’s the best and worst part about him. whether you agree or disagree with destiny he’s very skilled at making a convincing argument to show why something makes sense more than another
I agree, I hear arguments I disagree with but know I wouldn't have a come back for and he always manages to slip on out of the trap.
I find his trans takes to be very fragile ngl
I love both Vaush and Destiny. Inject this collab content straight into my corneas.
WaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWait
reallyquicklyreallyquicklyreallyquicklyreallyquickly
STOP
Destiny & Vaush together again FeelsStrongMan
Its an endless cycle of breakups and reunions. The bridge will burn again and be rebuilt gain.
They basically disagreed on everything...
When I was watching this live I smiled when chat convinced destiny to join, I smiled even more when I heard Vaush join. Tag team champions !!
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
I wish these were more spontaneous like they used to be. Like jumping into the ring
Use the word “brittle” rather than shrill. That’s what I’ve always used in a recording studio to identify the higher registers that didn’t sound airy or glassy the way I wanted.
Or don’t, I’m not the boss of ya.
Cheers.
Show your strength. Become his boss.
I'm trans and I hate the way demon mama talks to people. She is way more of what people think destiny is, then what destiny ever could be.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
@@prophetesskarol5754 i want to call that number to see what happens
:O destiny and vaush is an insta click
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
i've watched hours and hours of debates like this now.... and i still don't know the difference between sex and gender LOL
Lmao relatable
It’s not really different they just made that up cuz it sounds good I guess. When somebody is trans, they change their “gender” to match the other “sex” so to me it seems they’re not really different. I guess a trans person is the only time that there is any distinction.
the fated rivals, destined to cross paths and swords
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Lol I'm a classical singer and trans so this was surprisingly relevant
Just curious did you become a classical singer before your transition and if so did that help you in anyway develop a more passing voice?
based
@@gregfar6398 I didn't transition so that wasn't an issue thankfully. I do tend to lower my voice subconsciously when talking to people which isn't very good because I get hoarse easily but yeah lol. I doubt that my training would've helped me develop a more passing voice tho, I'm a soprano so my training is usually more focused on my higher range (I'm afab, just to make things clear)
@@Cloudmuffintops ahh okay that’s interesting to hear about. I never thought about vocal training for trans afab people always assumed that hrt would do most of that work for them. Btw what script is your name written in ? Is that geez?
@@gregfar6398 lmao that's Hebrew (my native language) in English it's "Shahar Gluck"
I just realised, Prime is high as fuck on all of these panels
Demonmama is the kind of person that has made me want nothing to do with any niche trans circles, ever.
This is my problem with the trans topic, whenever I try to understand it and inevitably arrive at parts where I have questions, trying to get answers often leads me to people like her(?).
Its one of the reasons I am super sceptical about the whole thing because a lot of what they are saying either makes no sense, contradicts itself or does not reflect reality. I want to be open and I want trans folks to live happy lives, but it is really hard to take this issue seriously with actors like her around.
@@CrestOfArtorias what does it mean to see trans women as women?
@@CrestOfArtorias Focus on people with scientific sources like JammieDodger and Samantha Lux
@@gjmptw8419 I don't get your question. What are you asking?
@@CrestOfArtorias I've been told to see trans women as women. What does that mean?
I really don't like Demon Mama. Everytime I see her talking, she annoys me severely. I can't explain what it is about her attitude that makes her so unlikeable to me.
her and Vaush annoy the fuck out of me. The only time I've ever enjoyed Vaush was when he was debating Mike from Pa
@@thesummaryguy3911 I generally like Vaush, but here he came off really conceited, arrogant and annoying. Basically, like Demon Mama lol
@@tiena6630 far more coherent than demon mama but yeah I'm not a huge fan of vaush on debate panels usually
Him*
I'm expecting 642411 of "wait, wait, wait, wait, noooo, wait, wait, wait."
*People screaming in the pannel*
Destiny: "STFU I'm playing Valheim"
59:34 Love Alice's reaction in the top left.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
I would love to see Destiny take voice lessons on stream. The way he could use his knowledge and vocabulary to make it an awesome experience.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
There seems to be a huge conceptual confusion going on here. Destiny is interested in the question "what is this phenomenon of gender". And others seem interested in two questions of "How do we know if one is of X gender" and "What should we do with the concept of gender" (Ie. Leave it, abolish it, expand it, etc) It must be so frustrating because no one is trying to answer Destiny's metaphysical question of what gender is, they're just talking about what we should consider it as.
There's no confusion here except on Destiny's end. The "phenomenon of gender" is just a combination of societal norms and expectations based on sex. Without the social norms, gender goes away. He asked a silly question at the end "if there's no internal concept of gender, then why can't trans people just socialize differently?" The answer is simple: because trans people have physical and biological aspects that don't line up with how they perceive themselves (I.e. nothing to do with society, would still happen on a deserted island). This was answered several times.
@@gskills55 But isn't the mere fact of having these "physical and biological aspects that don't line up with how they perceive themselves" exactly what Destiny is referencing? If the term "gender" simply refers to the external societal norms and expectations surrounding sex, and if a trans person could experience dysphoria even outside of the context of a society, then where is the "how they perceive themselves" coming from, if not from some internal point of reference (the "fact of the matter," as Destiny calls it)?
For the above to logically follow, it seems to me that this hypothetical trans person's self-perception must be derived from something objective and immutable within their mind. If there is no "nurture" (society) to inform this person's dysphoria by way of comparison, then wouldn't it have to be derived from their "nature," or something biologically baked-in (basically, the "female-brain-in-a-man's-body" concept)?
I believe Destiny is simply making the above argument that there must be some objective "fact of the matter" with regards to a person's self-identification (or lack thereof) with their objective sex. If this euphoria or dysphoria can occur within a person's own mind absent any societal point of reference, then doesn't this self-identification have to be innate to the individual and therefore objectively true, a.k.a. not a choice?
@@maxwellleatherman hmmm yes I think you're spot on thank you for the clarification. I don't think it's right for Destiny to conflate this concept with the term "gender" but I do agree now that this was the point he's trying to make. Nature vs nurture is much better terminology to frame this debate and I'm inclined to say we're talking about a psychological component of sex. You clarified his point better than he did I think.
@@gskills55 Yeah, I think it’s got to be difficult to tackle complex conversations like this in real time with so many people all muddying the waters with their own definitions of the same terms. Keyboard-warrioring is such a blissful luxury by comparison, lol...
And yes, I definitely think “psychological component of sex” is what he was going for, but I wonder how many on this panel would actually grant its existence. This is a tough contradiction for me to understand, since it feels like on one hand some activists want to treat people as blank slates, but then indirectly invoke the innateness of psychological sex characteristics whenever they argue (correctly, I believe) that being trans isn’t a choice. After all, how could someone experience dysphoria of this kind if there weren’t specific psychological traits that either conformed (or didn’t) to their biological sex?
@@gskills55 DM does not agree or argue for that. Thats the entire issue. She can pretend all she wants, specially when vaush came on since he clearly disagreed with her stance, but that was the whole issue from the beginning. DM even specifically said that trans people can be socialized out of being trans
Rip DestinyxHasan, welcome DestinyxVaush
Hasanstiny has been dead for like 2 years. Vaushtiny will never die
@@callum6224 destiny and vaush both have aspergers so that may be the wild card here that preserves their relationship
@@callum6224 Nah, give the man some credit. All he wants is to be consistent. Ain't nothing wrong with that
@@alexthebat9012 got some bad news for you bud
@@branchy1186 this was posted 6 months ago why are you trawling this random comment section, I know Vaush and Destiny had a massive split
On one of my piano keyboard’s sound settings the G2 key sounds so much louder than the others through my headphones. Now I know why. Just learned something cool today:)
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Vaush seems to be assuming the direction of the causation. How does he know that gender dysphoria occurs beause of body dysphoria, rather than the other way around? when i hear trans people talk about their experiences growing up, they often suggest that their social dysphoria started first, and that that _sometimes_ leads to body dysphoria.
@J W Yes, i've heard trans people describe both scenarios. It seems like different people identify as trans for different reasons. Another thing i have noticed, is that some trans people characterize their experience as being more like an initial rejection of their birth sex group, which led to identification with opposite sex group -- almost like a process of deduction. And some trans people seem to be saying that it was more of a resonance with the opposite sex group without the initial rejection of their birth sex group.
WHY EVERYONE GOT BRONZE SO MUCH QUICKER THAN I DID IN VALHEIM
Stop being bad lmao
Otherwise, it's OK to go slow. Some people are just faster then others
@@nK-210 no it doesnt. took me like 3 in game days max. the first boss to get the pickaxe is really easy to kill, a spear and shield is all you need (the shield neutralizes nearly all the boss damage output). i mean you can even kill the boss with campfires easily enough
1:37:44 best part of the discussion. Destiny points out how long certain people on the panel talk for and then one of them goes on a 10 minute tangent.
1:46:43 Vaush says “x, y, zed”: his transformation into a Brit-Canadian is complete, haha. 🔥
It just makes so much more sense. See and zee is the fucking same. Zed is a million times better
Watching Demonmama @ 1:44:06 realize they were muted was easily the best part of this.
Demon mama: I'm not saying the definition isn't useful because it's changed over time.
Demon Mama 5 seconds later: over time the definition has changed that it cannot Encompass everything people think woman to be therefore it's incoherent.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
@@prophetesskarol5754 sir this is a Wendy's
Gender (as it's being used in this discussion) is the social expression of a sex. It used to be a synonym for _sex,_ used to distinguish between sexual intercourse "sex" and biological sex. People dont know what they mean when they use the word "woman"? any confusion on that score has only existed for about 5 years, since people all of a sudden tried to obfuscate what the word means.The dictionary tells you the definition of "woman", because we've always known what that word refers to. It only _exists_ as a word because females exist. When used literally, it has _always_ been used in reference to adult females and nothing else. Everything pertaining to our concepts of "womanhood" pertain to females.
Precisely. That is when vaush (and others who share the same position) lose me, If you say that the concept of womanhood varies across cultures then there must be a part that stay constant for you to be able to put all of those concepts under the same name.
That constant thing is sex and there is no other way around it.
@@Daniel-cz9gt Yes, i kind of get baffled by some of these convo's. Many times i've seen people say things like "how does anyone know that they're a woman?" or "feel like woman?", and the answer that first comes to mind -- the one that seems so inextricably obvious -- is "because i'm female". Even as a child i would have made reference to my body to answer that question, maybe because, in many ways, i wasnt gender conforming. It seems so obvious, yet people ask it as if there isn't an obvious answer.
I sometimes think that people are scared of admitting that because they think if they do it will help people to justify denying trangender people rights, but that doesnt seem to be the case. You can acknowledge that a coherent understanding of gender places it in a certain relationship with sex, and still support trans people in legally changing their gender to the one they identify as, for very practical reasons.
@J W Medical transition has existed for quite a while though hasnt it? i think the first medical transition in the UK happened in the 60's. Although she did have to travel to...i want to say Morocco.
@J W Ignore that last post, i just checked and the first recorded medical transition was Roberta Elizabeth Marshall Cowell in 1951. She didnt have to travel for the surgery, but she could only have it on the understanding that she was intersex, which she wasnt, but she had a sympathetic therapist who helped her out with it.
The Alice person seemed really cool, hope she comes on to talk with Destiny sometime
Destiny and Vaush! All we’re missing is DPAK! If he was here, I would have all my man crushes in one place at one time! PAUSE 😍❤️
@@wholelottajuice5303 yes
No, dpak is an INNOCENT soul. We musnt taint him with the bloodsports of twitch debates...😭
@@wholelottajuice5303 sure. I’d be down for a 1v3!
Parkman: “Oh my god. Wow. Ok. You just shot out of a cannon.”
I guess white boys are your kryptonite as well
Demonmama is insufferable in these talks because of the nonstop verbal diarrhea. Destiny is so right in calling out her nonsense.
45:10: "Ok. I dont want to get baited into this shit, ok?"
45:12: * Gets baited into this shit. *
A good example of high pitch and high resonance is soprano singers in musical theatre and opera, where as high pitch and low resonance would be screamers - think Aerosmith or AC/DC. Low pitch and high resonance would be a bass/baritone singer, Javert in Les Mis is a good example. I can’t think of any low resonance and low pitch examples, but I’m sure they’re out there
I love it when they repeatedly say wait.
A great way to demonstrate the difference in resonance between sounds of the same pitch is to listen to a violin recording that includes sections of Sol G, where entire phrases are played only on the G string (the lowest string on the violin). It becomes really intuitive with that example.
"Do you want to do what Destiny's asked you to do?" I LOL'd
I have no idea what kinda of trajectory Destiny has planned for himself. Not this video specifically, but a majority of this older stuff and Hippie Dippie was much better content than what is currently going, and I believe if he could get these types of panels together rn it would easily bring in 200-300k views!
When someone says it's colloquial, just to cover the fact they don't truly understand the context of the words being used, it infuriates me.
Stop being so colloquial
@@jeffjohnson419 I just ate a colloquial today!
It tasted photosynthesis!
It kinda is but only for people who have no understanding of the subject. You wouldn’t refer to it as deeper once you know especially if you are trans.
The year is now 2023.
I miss these boys working together like you wouldn't believe.
But everyday I believe friendship will prevail.
Inshallah
Vaushtiny 🎉
"I really wish when people would say that to me, they would stop." - Destiny
This was a combination of everything I love about this channel the duo vaush debates the prime panels and the music talk very swag 😎
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
The rain sounds added a calming vibe to this debate
Until they didn't :(
no one has ever explained to me how you can identify as something you cannot define
maybe i also didnt understand stephen's question, but i felt like Vaush actually did a really good job answering it and destiny was too caught up in hysterics to listen to it.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God showed to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (DIVINE MERCY ORPHANAGE HOME FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria, before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details +2349051207335 tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
@@prophetesskarol5754 wait what
A good way to exemplify resonance vs pitch is to just hold a note normally and then shift the resonance to your nose (try to sound really nasally). You will be holding a note at the same pitch, but the sound (because of resonance) will sound vastly different.
As a scientist, listening to this panel was morbidly entertaining. Man, I actually wish I was in this panel so I could introduce the term “bimodal spectrum” and introduce the known evolution of gender in language as a simplistic tool used to identify the opposite sex. It’s literally proven. That research is done. Destiny is the only one that knows even a little about this from his correct intuition.
Wait I'm confused, Vaush talks about sex characteristics being a bimodal spectrum all the time. How does that support Destiny's position?
@@mikebiggums1921 , because sex is the basis for the creation of gender in the vast majority of civilizations that have ever existed. Evolutionarily speaking, being able to linguistically discern male from female was important. Gender was simply a linguistic tool to make it simple to reference whether a person was male, female, or unknown/androgynous in conversation. It’s only purpose was to aid in classification; whether a person was a possible mate, a possible threat, etc. it was never intended to do anything except aid in the rapid understanding of feminine vs masculine on a bimodal scale, where androgynous fell in the center.
That’s how this connects. Destiny was on the right path, intuitively. Being seen as a women meant being seen as female, which is a set of goals trans women traditionally tried to achieve. Humans have certain traits that are biologically dependent. In Scandinavia. Women and men naturally separated into societal roles without being coerced by an oppressive gender role dictate. This happened in the most egalitarian Society in the world. The experiment has been repeated with the same results multiple times. The sampling size is pretty much on a National scale. Gender differences maximized along the lines of previous trends. This is a direct connection between sex and gender in that females tend to resonate with feminine ideals and men with masculine ideals.
Also, 99.8% of males claim to be men and 99.8% of females claim to be women. In the sciences, This is about as close as it gets something being proven as true.
@@misteralias2850 *"sex is the basis for the creation of gender in the vast majority of civilizations that have ever existed"* and just like you, I don't see that changing in a million years. But apparently the people in the video have figured it out... despite the fact that any species that doesn't value sex (both the act and the categorization) highly enough almost surely dies out.
@@misteralias2850 "gender was this and that"... well it isn't that anymore. But gender is still to this day a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. So yeah...
@@lliattogender has never, and will never be a "social construct".
If gender identity is a social construct, and genitals have nothing to do with it. Than why is transgender a thing? This logic invalidates the trans community no?
errr wrong
wow so many Vaush clones on that panel, you can totally hear it in their language. Which is ironic considering Vaush spawned from Destiny lol
This debate was DM vs Vaush vs Destiny
new to Destiny. Im lovin him more n more. Bravo here bud
Sikhs use the name Singh and Kaur as their last name to identify as one family within Sikhism. So yes names can also be a categorical identifier in different cultures
I was reading the other day about the Irani Indians (Persian heritage) who basically all have the surname Irani. That’s at least two then!
The simple answer to "what is a woman" that the vast majority of humans use is adult human female.