I mean if people are still watching nascar in 2024 they probably aren't going to stop. It seems to me nascar fans love drama and stupid shit like this.
I have hated the Chase/Playoff system ever since it was first implemented and would much prefer to go back to the season long championship format. No, every year would not be a game 7 nailbiter, but that is what makes "game 7" so special! The Christopher Bell vs Chase Elliott vs Tyler Reddick storyline this year would have been so much more thrilling than what we got! I still remember the fan outrage when Matt Kenseth locked up the 2003 championship with multiple races left in the season. I think the polls prove that the 10 race Chase format with no elimination races is the best compromise. We could debate the best qualifying method for making the Chase, but my preference would be to take the Top 5 in points from the first 26 races and all race winners in the Top 20, with a cap of 10 drivers qualifying for the Chase. The exact numbers in this system could be debated.
yeah i completely agree, if there’s no down to the wire nail biter, so be it. at least we all know that the champion was crowned fairly through consistency and skill across the whole season. i don’t need to have those game 7 moments all the time
It's not entirely NASCAR, it's the OEMs and the TV networks that deliver the final verdict on what the format is. NASCAR is a corporation yet they don't act like one.
They act like a corporation that thinks it's too big too fail and will end up bankrupt...NASCAR is dying and unlike smart people who see things aren't how it should be, NASCAR doubles down on things most fans except newbs who don't know better and only enable more BS hate...they done lost most of the boomers ages ago, and now they're running off younger millennials, who unlike the boomers who were already adults when they got into it, are mostly fans from childhood...I was a 20 year fan, didn't even grow up in a racing household, but it was so big in the 2000's even I, the biggest contrarian ever, couldn't resist! And I've been to 3 races, bought ridiculous amounts of merch, but no more! I'm done!
Yes I've been saying that for a while now. When you dimiss your critics as "haters/bots", then you have effectively closed yourself from criticism. That is going to kill your sport.
The reason why NASCAR won't address the issue with the playoffs is because it's no longer what the fans want, it's what the tv networks want and they want entertainment and profit above everything. Integrity and true racing is at the bottom
There won't be anyone to entertain if they don't listen to fans though. Just look at companies that don't listen to consumers and political parties that double down on bad ideas. That's where NASCAR is heading if they continue this path too much longer. The networks can't make profit if people don't watch.
Idk why these businesses and corporations don’t get that if the fans aren’t entertained or happy, they won’t make money. They make all these dumbass decisions that no one asks for and then act surprised when the general response is negative.
If they want profit above everything they would have changed the format 5+ years ago. Pretty sure the championship race, especially since going to Phoenix, hasn't even been a top 10 race on the season viewership wise for many many years.
I'm a former NASCAR fan because of the current bs. Literally. The sport has so much potential but I can't bring myself to invest in 3.5 hours a weekend for 36 weekends a year because this series doesn't take itself seriously. I literally got into racing thru NASCAR in 2016 and now I don't even keep up with it. I've said it before, as much as sports is entertainment, its also competition. I don't watch the olympics to be entertained. I watch the olympics to see the best athletes in the world prove they're the best. That comes with emotional investment, which automatically makes it more entertaining. The talent pool in NASCAR is drying out rapidly. Drivers need to be pushed to elevate themselves, and this system doesn't incentivize that. Also, the vast majority of us have been BEGGING for change for years, we're even willing to compromise. Then I hear about NASCAR speaking with fans and its kind of bs'ed and they stick with it and I honestly take that as disrespect. Also another thing, the "Winning when it matters most" is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. WINNING SHOULD MATTER ALL OF THE TIME TO ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES A COMPETITOR.
We’re probably never going back to a full season points system so I think we should go back to a similar format to the og chase. The top 10 drivers in points qualify in and duke it out for 10 weeks for the championship. Although I would make some changes. First, I would increase the number of points between positions from 1 to 5. The regular season champion gets a 25 point lead over 2nd with the rest of the drivers being separated by 5 points. I would also add 20 bonus points for each win a driver gets. There will also be 5 bonus points for leading a lap, most laps led, fastest lap, fastest full service pit stop, pole position, and best average running position.
I agree with this. Cap the playoffs at 16 for the later season peaking teams that can make some runs. Teams get better throughout the year and I think that’s fair
To be fair the racing in nascar was good this year. I like all forms of oval racing, i have over a dozen tracks within an hour or two of me and attend often, but nascar has had better product a lot of times this year, take Knoxville nationals, Larson led wire to wire two years in a row and the event starts so damn late so so much useless pre-race coverage that i fall asleep half way every time, but then other races like World 100 were great this year, just because you disagree with the champion doesn't mean there hasn't been good racing product in nascar.
Watch the ratings tank next year because of that. I will probably watch certain races like the Daytona 500, Talladega, the Coca-Cola 600, maybe the Brickyard 400, and the Southern 500, but I don't think I will be watching full-time next year. I'm cancelling my subscription to Fubo, (I highly recommend that you don't get that, BTW) and I will only watch the races at maybe a friend's house or Applebee's or something. The Southern 500 should be on Peacock, so I should be able to catch that at home, but I'm done with watching NASCAR full-time. I might tune into the standings to see how my favorite guys are doing, but I am otherwise done.
@@brianburke7677 Honestly, until we get a real championship crowning format, I don't. I will try to watch certain select races on the schedule, and that's it. Daytona 500, definitely. Talladega, definitely. Coke 600, definitely. Pocono, (because that's the closest track to my hometown) maybe. Brickyard 400, maybe. Southern 500, definitely. Anything else, I most likely won't.
@@PaperBanjo64 Well for one, when I originally got it, I was just using the Free trial. I got charged for it, anyways. There's also been days when they messed up NBC's coverage of the race. I mean, I originally only got it to watch the spring Talladega race, and I ended up being stuck with it. If you're getting good service through them though, that's fine. Above anything else though, there's only going to be a few races I plan on watching next year. - The Daytona 500, definitely. - Talladega, most likely. - Coca-Cola 600, yes. - Probably Pocono, because that's the closest track to my home. - Brickyard 400, maybe. - Southern 500, most likely. Other than that, I don't think I am going to waste my time watching any other race. I might tune into the NASCAR app to see how my favorite drivers are doing throughout the year, but as long as they have the Playoffs, there is no reason at all to tune into the NASCAR championship.
I've been looking at the Old Wild Card Chase for a little, and wonder if it's the big fix to not only make Fans and Drivers Happy, but also pleasing Nascar and their ideal of Winning races. So. I tweaked it a little. 24 Race Regular Season. 12 Race Chase 12-14 Chase Drivers You either get in by being in the Top 12 or above in Points, or win the most races out of anyone from 13th to 24th in points. If no driver between 13th and 24th in points wins, then no Wild Card spots are given. Reset points with Bonus Points for Winning, Regular Season Points, etc. Duke it out for 12 Races. Simple, deserving, and a little more rewarding for those smaller, yet competitive race teams.
@ True. I would actually say that their voice is being heard because they watch the races and/or visit the track. The comments we make probably don’t matter to nascar nearly as much as their bottom line. When people watch and go to races, NASCAR gets their money. I want to say it’s why they shifted from the old points system over the years. It wasn’t keeping people’s interest, so they needed to manufacture some intensity that would bring interest back to the sport. Which one could argue did. However, to Radman’s point, the champion may not have been the most deserving, and I agree. Not Logan’s fault in the slightest. Just a problem with the current playoff system that radman and others want to see fixed.
All of y'all that want change but probably won't get it should come give IndyCar a try. They have great, close racing, but with none of the gimmicks that comes with NASCAR. Plus we need more viewers over here 😂
@smokeybandit9760 I definitely watch Indycar and love the racing over there. Alex Palou might be the best driver in the world right now. That said, Indycar certainly has its own problems: The lack of more big ovals and their really bad schedule (A month between the 1st and 2nd races is very dumb) to name a few. Honestly, all the motorsport series have their problem, maybe apart from Imsa and Wec
A month between the first and 2nd race is dumb but NASCAR did something dumber by starting the 1964 season a week after the 1963 season ended meaning that race 1 of 1964 was run in 1963
Thanks for the offer, but I didn't grow up since the early 2000s watching IndyCar. I'm always going to be much more emotionally invested in NASCAR. Its one of the things I bonded with my family over growing up. For me, nothing could ever replace it. So, I want to fix it, not abandon it.
@@masoneveridge4078award way more points for wins, drivers would've stopped "points racing" and being scared to go for wins, and 2nd could lead most laps and score as much as the winner.
I’ve been saying for years if they changed the round of 16 started at 12, and made the championship round 3 races it would be much better, it also gives a situation where the championship round could have racetracks like martinsville, Miami and phoenix, it would allow a variety of track types so drivers with different specialties would have a chance to showcase their true talent and it would in a way give the fans the wish of a rotating championship
Same, Joey a Brat who nearly hits people on pit road after losing, and wrecks other people all the time, and bitches when it happens to him, I’m sure he’s fine outside the racetrack, and I don’t blame him for playing the system, but the system is wrong, so he can’t complain when people say it’s unearned, because that’s exactly what it is.
A 10 race playoffs would be a way better system. Keep the stage points and get rid of win and your in. Just take the top 12 or 16 in points and have them race for the title.
All I got to say for hardcore fans of nascar is that nascar don't care about u and focus on its casual fans so either deal with the changes of time and how they run their sport now or just be done with it and move on to something with your life that you'll actually enjoy better than us
I kept track of my own points system this year for this very reason. 12 Drivers (Wild Card Format), Eliminations (3 after each of the first two rounds of the Playoffs), Crown Jewel races count as Double Points (I had 5 Crown Jewel races, adding the Bristol night race), and a four race Championship round. Heading into Phoenix, Kyle Larson needed to win and have Christopher Bell finish 22nd or worse to be the champion, otherwise it would go to Bell. This also might have made Larsons' decision on the Coke 600 a bit more difficult, as the race would have awarded him x2 points, and in the end, likely cost him the title. I plan on adjusting it a bit for next year, maybe resetting points after the Playoff field is set and adding bonus points or something. I also didn't award stage points.
Dawg for that same reasom, is why years ago, i gave up, started staying on the same Madden, 2K, MLB, Fifa, Football Manager, NHR2003. JUST so i can make my own fantasy world of sports where everyrhing goes my way😂
@@internetgodlilbihhI will have to see what I can do. The only issue is as things are in my system, 40th gets 1 point. They don’t even have 40 cars in every race now, but they used to have 43. So I will either have to adjust the points or figure out something.
Nascar probably thought this would be like single lug nuts or moving the number forward where we just get used to it, not true, we've had this format for 11 years now and the overwhelming majority myself included will never accept it because it's so egregious to the creditability of the sport.
Yeah they have spoken out. I know I have and the outrage is the biggest that has ever been seen before. This feels like a combination of all the past outrage from 2015, 2018, 2020 & even 2022 at the least has merged together and has created 2024
The bad moments this season have far outweighed the good ones, for every good moment there's been controversy, shit shows, controversial shit shows, or races that were just plain BORING! I agree, we have GOT TO get back to full season points.
Bring Back The Original Chase Format With The 2004-2006 10 Driver/2004-2013 10 Race Format With Chase Points And No Points Resets For The NASCAR Cup Series. ONLY!!!!!!!! But Bring Back The Winston Cup Full-Season Points Format For Both The NASCAR Xfinity Series And The NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series.
Are we ignoring that -5 would have been one of the closest (if not the closest) championship final standings in HISTORY??? There’s your entertainment NASCAR
The gen 7 cars tires pop almost without any contact as proven by Kyle larson about 2 or 3 races ago... the tires fall of more frequently and the axel breaks easier. And you prefer the hen 7 car over the gen 6, i don't understand your opinion but i respect it
Gen 7 car is an abomination! Just get rid of most of the 1.5s and NASCAR should have kept Gen 6...for years fans screamed their heads off for LESS 1.5s, then they gave us a crappy ass car that is only decent at best on them, NASCAR actually reduced the amount of 1.5s, now fans are screaming for more of them!? Like we should gotten rid of most of them years ago! Not add more!
my only issue with making it a must win and your in is once you have 10 winners (or how ever many spots are available), it would really disincentivize the desire for the rest of the field to race. If the first 10 races, we have 10 different winners, we would still have 16 races until the play offs with no incentive for the rest field, unless you can somehow win more than the people who made it in. It would make the rest of the season irrelevant after that.
No playoffs, no Chase, no elimination. No win & you're in BS. Go back to the season long format with the last 10 races being worth a significant points bump. The playoff reset rewards some way too much & punishes others way too much.
The easiest compromise for the people who fully want the Winston Cup style format back and the people who entirely want to keep a playoff format of some kind: Points reset for the playoffs is just cutting everyones points in half, thus cutting the gaps in half (Ex. If pre playoffs 1st place has 860 points (+22), 2nd has 838 points (-22), and lets say 6th has 773 points (-87), the points reset would put them at 1st with 2430 points (+11), 2nd at 2419 points (-11), and back in 6th they'll be at 2387 points (-43). In the playoffs (using 10 race chase, no eliminations), give 12 additional points for the win, 8 for 2nd, and 5 for 3rd along with 4 additional points for the stage win. Having the points reset be directly based off of pre playoff standings while massively increasing the maximum available points in the playoff races means everyones entire season matters, but what they do in the final 10 races is still by far the most important.
The Daytona 500 has been made the least important race of the season in this format. It gets random winners, and you’ve got 25 weeks to get another win. That alone should disqualify the playoffs.
Well, what NASCAR is gonna probably do is they’re gonna probably find drivers who like the format and ban them from talking to previous drivers so that they will enjoy the format that we currently have
Thinking of it now, I don't *hate* the idea of an elimination format, but I DO hate the idea of the championship being determined in just one race. And I do feel like being consistently upfront should be rewarded. So my ideal format would be: - 24-race regular season, with a 12-race postseason - Top-25 points requirement for wins to count towards postseason eligibility - A 3-race Championship 4 round, where none of the 4 drivers earn stage points or playoff points. A straight-up points battle to determine the champion. I feel like the last point will reward consistency AND rising up when it matters most. Just my 2 cents.
Whats sad is that the championship race seemed like it was just those 4 cars out there. Everyone to me it seemed was ready for the offseason and just wanted to get the race over and go home
They've not cared what fans thought a long time or they wouldn't have given Darlington's date to Fontana, or took Rockingham away and gave Texass a second date it never deserved.
What if instead of Win and your in. A Win gets a crap ton of more Points towards both Reg season and Play offs. Still making wins extremely desirable. That way the format would both reward wins and consistency.
I work at Penske. It seemed harder to win in ‘12 than the current. I think a 3 race final round could be cool. I don’t think it’s completely broken just needs tweaked. Funny, more outrage from this than KB winning after missing a third on the season.
Nascar doesn't listen to fans and have only doubled down on the gimmicks once they have been implemented, I would be very surprised if they wound back any changes to the playoff format.
1. Make the final round 3 races - carry over playoff points like the other rounds. Rounds should be consistent. This would deter fans who complain about what race hosts the final race as there would be a 3 race round instead. Either start the playoffs 2 races earlier or have a 1 race challenge at the start of playoffs (play-in for the final 16th spot or a bye round for top 4 in regular season). 2. Reward success in each round - give the top 3 points earners in each round 3, 2 and 1 playoff points. We had Reddick and Logano not even trying after clinching spots in the championship which is a huge problem. They were not giving 100% and only prepping for PHX. This is the same issue as having drivers clinch the chip early and driving around celebrating. Rewarding points in each round means every race and every position truly matters - even for drivers that have already advanced. 3. Bring back bonus points - Give drivers 1 point for laps led and 1 playoff point for most laps led. Teams would make strategy calls just to get a point if they were having a bad day. It would bring more strategy and natural race unpredictability. Also give 1 point for pole winner which puts a premium on the race weekend and fans a reason to watch practice and qualifying like in the past.
I've been saying for years the 1 race round should be the first round. Kind of like Eric said today, but lock in the top 10 in points after 26 races. Other 6 winners / best in points outside the top 10 compete for 2 wild cards in that first race. 3 Race championship, a road course, an oval, a short track for the championship
Very slight variation to your format. I think it should be the top 8 drivers on points in the Chase. Then, we bring back the wildcards where the two drivers with the most wins who aren’t in the top 8 (tiebreakers decided on points) are also in. Keeps an emphasis on winning races while still making sure no PR nightmares happen where the the regular season champ doesn’t make the playoffs
And Justin Haley Corey Lajoie and Harrison Burton have more top 10's then our champion has top 5's and they ranked 31st 33rd and 34th out of 34 full time teams in points
I like the playoffs the way it is but what I don't like is NASCAR playing favorites Joey logano was not supposed to be in the renovate he was already eliminated but NASCAR put him back in that's what my issue is they took Alex Bowman out and they put Joey logano in
Ill he honest, the only way an elimination style chase can work, is if we don't eliminate the points gap between rounds, or make the final round a 3 or 4 race round
Fun fact if we never left the chase for the cup format where 10 races decided a champion Logano would also be a three time champ in 14 15 and 16 woulda gone full Yarborough so he does deserve a third championship
Legitimately don't give a crap about the championship until they go back to a 10 race chase no eliminations or ideally a full season championship. This sport desperately needs to recover legitimacy in the motorsports world. Our champions are so weak nearly every year
NASCAR won’t go back to season long points or the 10 race Chase. We can beg but it won’t happen. The fans need to demand a change in the elimination format, and a three race “championship round” is a must. I prefer a 4-3-3 race elimination format because I think that change would be the easiest to make.
Here’s my proposed format for next year which NASCAR can still make happen without altering the elimination system 1. Remove win and in guarantee 2. Have wins be worth 10 points instead of 5 as you mentioned 3. Have regular season points mean more, personally I think it should be 40, 25, 20, 15, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1 for Top 10 in points. 4. Have those regular season points carry over to the finale. Then in 2026, change the rounds up to be 1, 3, 3, 3. Maybe the first race could be Daytona, Talladega or Atlanta to give some of those guys deep in the points one opportunity to progress further. That’s my proposal. Feel free to throw in your requests for additional changes, comments section
i like your idea but i would also include the 2 drivers highest in points without a win. Kind of like the wild card drivers they had back in the early 2010s
My opinion: NASCAR wants a game 7 moment, so they should do just that. Separate the playoffs into two sections. A three-race Wild Card round of 12 drivers, and a 7-race Championship round of 8 drivers. At least that way a Champion is decided across a much bigger number of races. But we've been talking against the current format since the day it was announced, so I have no confidence that NASCAR will improve it any time soon, nor do I have the confidence that they'll do something appropriate.
Or 5 on 5. 10 drivers have 5 races to try and advance. And top 5 drivers have 5 races to fight for the title. No wins, no BS. Just be the most consistent and score the most points.
Here's how we fix it. 26 race regular season still but top 14 in points no matter what get in. Then 2 wildcards get in if they have wins if they don't then 15 and 16 are in. We have 5 races then eliminate the 8 Lowest in points then the last 5 races is just a dash to the finale and the points leader wins. Playoff points still count
Basically that first half was the 2011-2013 Wildcard Chase where the top 10 in points and the 2 drivers with the most wins between 11th and 20th were also in
First I'd drop the win and you're in aspect, that's what is breaking the playoff format right now. I'd change up the points format, I'd say 10 points for most laps led in a race, 5 points for leading a lap during a race, and I could see 5 points for pole, and 5 for fastest lap just to throw a little more attention to qualifying. I might be persuaded to add 5 points for the driver who started lowest and finished highest in the results... I would give the top five finishers more points, and anything outside of the top 30 would be awarded no points. This would be throughout the season. I would have the top 10 drivers in points (less is more) begin the playoffs, which I would keep at 10 races. NASCAR loves the drama of elimination races, so they can keep that, but it would be based solely on points Something like the first two rounds would have three races, and the championship would be four races (Plate Track, 1.5 mile track, RC, Short Track). AT the end of the day, the Championship would be won by whomever had the most points after those races... I mean even eliminating the elimination aspect, you'd still have drivers who fall off and would eliminate themselves, remember, win and you're in is gone.
See the problem with any championship format is always gonna have a flaw we can’t unfortunately have a good playoff format but the playoff format we have now is so stupid
Well yeah, there's no such thing as a perfect championship crowning format, and it doesn't matter what sport it is. I do think when you're trying to acknowledge greatness though, you owe it to the sport you're running to make it as fairly as possible. Playoffs work better in sports like football or baseball because of how those sports work. Playoffs in NASCAR don't work because of how NASCAR works. Hell, IDK if I would even support Playoffs in drag racing, just because a lot of the same "what if" variables still apply to it just like any other motorsport.
I'll agree we shouldn't have eliminations. They should have the 16 drivers in the playoffs reset the points hand out the bonuses like stage wins and race wins and go from there for the next 10 races. Still give out stage pts throughout the 10 races... And maybe even 3 pts for a win if they think 5 is to much for a win in the playoff...
I’m fine with the win and your in thing, but it needs to be where those who are in a certain position in the points standings, like say the top 20, where that win(s) make you eligible
That is certainly better than what we have now. The worst part of this system is that it is a winner take all championship race. We can't let a title be decided based on that. That needs to be changed and Eric's system does that
@Me181 100% Under this system, it is possible to win 35/36 races in the season, and then get wrecked out in the final race and lose the title. That would be like Max Verstappen losing the title last F1 season despite winning 21/22 races. That should not be possible.
After listening to your system, i agree with it mostly, but I think the top 5 should be guaranteed into the playoffs. Sounds like it very well could work
Three years in a row Penske steals the championship which is ridiculous. NASCAR wanted two Fords in the final 8 so they came up with a ridiculous unexplainable stupid penalty against Bowman. It’s a disgrace.
I believe this has always been a broken format. Win and your in and a 1 race championship are way too "entertaining" to get rid of ugh. The racing product should be the entertainment not a phony points format.
Penske has figured out the system the last 3 years. NASCAR changed the points system because Jimmie Johnson kept winning the title, NASCAR needs to change it again.
Larson was far and away the best throughout the season. I think that's why they're using him. He won the most races, most stages, scored the most stage points, and lead the most laps (by over 500)... Oh and he did all this while missing the longest race of the season (at track he excels at). Bell led laps and won a rain shortened race that weekend, so some of these numbers might been even more in Larson's favor had he participated. He also won 2 playoff races... actually dominated 2 playoff races, one more than the other, but still. Then in the Rd of 8, his finishes were 11th, 13th and 2nd (Ithink in that order) and in two of those races, he had issues that had nothing to do with him or making mistakes (pit crew error and flat tire), both at tracks where he excels. Don't forget that he also had a flat tire at Kansas which damaged the car and again, at one of his best tracks.
Larson is a race behind and took the season points lead. He was literally #1 in most categories. Just drop the playoffs and keep the point system all season long just like F1 and Indy. And all other forms of motorsports.
FWIW. Tyler Reddick won the regular season title, the first 26 races. Joey Logano outperformed Reddick in the playoffs. 3 wins & AvgF of 13.9 vs 1 win & AvgF of 18.5. And Joeys AvgF was only 1.9 positions off Kyle Larsons 12.0 & Joey Logano out won Kyle Larson 3-2. By the numbers, it should have been Bell or Byron. But Joeys stats are beyond comparable to the driver who won the regular season championship and the guy who won the most races.
With the championship race there’s literally no reason to tune in the other 35 weeks. Just watch the last race because there’s no point in watching. Like football, the reason the superbowl is so popular is because the build. Just watch 1 race
They just called their fans bots. Why support a group of people who insults you?
100%%%%% say it louder.
I mean if people are still watching nascar in 2024 they probably aren't going to stop. It seems to me nascar fans love drama and stupid shit like this.
Cuck mentality
@@SprintCarMan24in the past I would have argued with you but sadly I think you are right about MOST of the nascar fanbase
Lol sounds pretty familiar to real life too
I have hated the Chase/Playoff system ever since it was first implemented and would much prefer to go back to the season long championship format. No, every year would not be a game 7 nailbiter, but that is what makes "game 7" so special! The Christopher Bell vs Chase Elliott vs Tyler Reddick storyline this year would have been so much more thrilling than what we got! I still remember the fan outrage when Matt Kenseth locked up the 2003 championship with multiple races left in the season. I think the polls prove that the 10 race Chase format with no elimination races is the best compromise. We could debate the best qualifying method for making the Chase, but my preference would be to take the Top 5 in points from the first 26 races and all race winners in the Top 20, with a cap of 10 drivers qualifying for the Chase. The exact numbers in this system could be debated.
yeah i completely agree, if there’s no down to the wire nail biter, so be it. at least we all know that the champion was crowned fairly through consistency and skill across the whole season. i don’t need to have those game 7 moments all the time
It's not entirely NASCAR, it's the OEMs and the TV networks that deliver the final verdict on what the format is. NASCAR is a corporation yet they don't act like one.
Actually they do act like a corporation but a corrupt one at that.
They act like a corporation that thinks it's too big too fail and will end up bankrupt...NASCAR is dying and unlike smart people who see things aren't how it should be, NASCAR doubles down on things most fans except newbs who don't know better and only enable more BS hate...they done lost most of the boomers ages ago, and now they're running off younger millennials, who unlike the boomers who were already adults when they got into it, are mostly fans from childhood...I was a 20 year fan, didn't even grow up in a racing household, but it was so big in the 2000's even I, the biggest contrarian ever, couldn't resist! And I've been to 3 races, bought ridiculous amounts of merch, but no more! I'm done!
I think NASCAR is run by people that can't help themselves and cannot take one ounce of criticism.
Yes I've been saying that for a while now. When you dimiss your critics as "haters/bots", then you have effectively closed yourself from criticism. That is going to kill your sport.
The reason why NASCAR won't address the issue with the playoffs is because it's no longer what the fans want, it's what the tv networks want and they want entertainment and profit above everything. Integrity and true racing is at the bottom
There won't be anyone to entertain if they don't listen to fans though. Just look at companies that don't listen to consumers and political parties that double down on bad ideas. That's where NASCAR is heading if they continue this path too much longer. The networks can't make profit if people don't watch.
They must not want it too much if they're moving most of the races to cable and streaming services next year instead of national TV.
Idk why these businesses and corporations don’t get that if the fans aren’t entertained or happy, they won’t make money. They make all these dumbass decisions that no one asks for and then act surprised when the general response is negative.
If they want profit above everything they would have changed the format 5+ years ago. Pretty sure the championship race, especially since going to Phoenix, hasn't even been a top 10 race on the season viewership wise for many many years.
@@WhopperJrNoCheesethose companies are relying on outside money and don't care if they piss off customers
I'm a former NASCAR fan because of the current bs. Literally. The sport has so much potential but I can't bring myself to invest in 3.5 hours a weekend for 36 weekends a year because this series doesn't take itself seriously. I literally got into racing thru NASCAR in 2016 and now I don't even keep up with it.
I've said it before, as much as sports is entertainment, its also competition. I don't watch the olympics to be entertained. I watch the olympics to see the best athletes in the world prove they're the best. That comes with emotional investment, which automatically makes it more entertaining. The talent pool in NASCAR is drying out rapidly. Drivers need to be pushed to elevate themselves, and this system doesn't incentivize that.
Also, the vast majority of us have been BEGGING for change for years, we're even willing to compromise. Then I hear about NASCAR speaking with fans and its kind of bs'ed and they stick with it and I honestly take that as disrespect.
Also another thing, the "Winning when it matters most" is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. WINNING SHOULD MATTER ALL OF THE TIME TO ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES A COMPETITOR.
We’re probably never going back to a full season points system so I think we should go back to a similar format to the og chase. The top 10 drivers in points qualify in and duke it out for 10 weeks for the championship. Although I would make some changes. First, I would increase the number of points between positions from 1 to 5. The regular season champion gets a 25 point lead over 2nd with the rest of the drivers being separated by 5 points. I would also add 20 bonus points for each win a driver gets. There will also be 5 bonus points for leading a lap, most laps led, fastest lap, fastest full service pit stop, pole position, and best average running position.
I agree with this. Cap the playoffs at 16 for the later season peaking teams that can make some runs. Teams get better throughout the year and I think that’s fair
@trentrothlin281 I think 16 drivers is too much. The playoffs are about the best drivers/teams of the year fighting for the championship.
@@ZPaul_top 10, maybe 12, 16 is way too much, half the chartered teams shouldn't be elligle.
NASCAR must change the format or I ain’t watching another full season.
I’m not tuning in next year. My guy Truex is gone and NASCAR continues to be a shitshow. So I’m done. I’ll just watch IMSA and WEC
Nascar isn't worth the time investment anymore. Or the money for cable. Excited to watch the chili bowl and snowball derby on floracing this winter!
Indy 500 has basically become a must watch for me to at least have 1 race of less bullshit
Can't wait to see what RTJ can do in a midget at the Chili Bowl
To be fair the racing in nascar was good this year. I like all forms of oval racing, i have over a dozen tracks within an hour or two of me and attend often, but nascar has had better product a lot of times this year, take Knoxville nationals, Larson led wire to wire two years in a row and the event starts so damn late so so much useless pre-race coverage that i fall asleep half way every time, but then other races like World 100 were great this year, just because you disagree with the champion doesn't mean there hasn't been good racing product in nascar.
We won’t get change, after listening to the executives this weekend. I’ve lost faith in nascars relationship with the fans
Watch the ratings tank next year because of that. I will probably watch certain races like the Daytona 500, Talladega, the Coca-Cola 600, maybe the Brickyard 400, and the Southern 500, but I don't think I will be watching full-time next year. I'm cancelling my subscription to Fubo, (I highly recommend that you don't get that, BTW) and I will only watch the races at maybe a friend's house or Applebee's or something. The Southern 500 should be on Peacock, so I should be able to catch that at home, but I'm done with watching NASCAR full-time. I might tune into the standings to see how my favorite guys are doing, but I am otherwise done.
@ luckily, there is really no point in watching a race until race 36 next year, that is if you care about who will be the “champion” or not.
@@brianburke7677 Honestly, until we get a real championship crowning format, I don't. I will try to watch certain select races on the schedule, and that's it. Daytona 500, definitely. Talladega, definitely. Coke 600, definitely. Pocono, (because that's the closest track to my hometown) maybe. Brickyard 400, maybe. Southern 500, definitely. Anything else, I most likely won't.
@@nascarfanatic2425what's wrong with Fubo!? I have it and it's great, no Turner networks though
@@PaperBanjo64 Well for one, when I originally got it, I was just using the Free trial. I got charged for it, anyways. There's also been days when they messed up NBC's coverage of the race. I mean, I originally only got it to watch the spring Talladega race, and I ended up being stuck with it.
If you're getting good service through them though, that's fine. Above anything else though, there's only going to be a few races I plan on watching next year.
- The Daytona 500, definitely.
- Talladega, most likely.
- Coca-Cola 600, yes.
- Probably Pocono, because that's the closest track to my home.
- Brickyard 400, maybe.
- Southern 500, most likely.
Other than that, I don't think I am going to waste my time watching any other race. I might tune into the NASCAR app to see how my favorite drivers are doing throughout the year, but as long as they have the Playoffs, there is no reason at all to tune into the NASCAR championship.
I've been looking at the Old Wild Card Chase for a little, and wonder if it's the big fix to not only make Fans and Drivers Happy, but also pleasing Nascar and their ideal of Winning races. So. I tweaked it a little.
24 Race Regular Season.
12 Race Chase
12-14 Chase Drivers
You either get in by being in the Top 12 or above in Points, or win the most races out of anyone from 13th to 24th in points. If no driver between 13th and 24th in points wins, then no Wild Card spots are given.
Reset points with Bonus Points for Winning, Regular Season Points, etc.
Duke it out for 12 Races. Simple, deserving, and a little more rewarding for those smaller, yet competitive race teams.
I would still have 16 drivers but the 13th 14th 15th and 16th spots are wild card spots.
If we want change, we should probably stop watching. Otherwise, NASCAR will probably keep on doing what it’s doing. Vote with your view.
Plenty of people like this format but you dont see them crying so they're are never heard.
@ True. I would actually say that their voice is being heard because they watch the races and/or visit the track. The comments we make probably don’t matter to nascar nearly as much as their bottom line. When people watch and go to races, NASCAR gets their money. I want to say it’s why they shifted from the old points system over the years. It wasn’t keeping people’s interest, so they needed to manufacture some intensity that would bring interest back to the sport. Which one could argue did. However, to Radman’s point, the champion may not have been the most deserving, and I agree. Not Logan’s fault in the slightest. Just a problem with the current playoff system that radman and others want to see fixed.
It’s so cringe that they call it “Playoffs”
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Yeah racing shouldn't have playoffs!
All of y'all that want change but probably won't get it should come give IndyCar a try. They have great, close racing, but with none of the gimmicks that comes with NASCAR. Plus we need more viewers over here 😂
I already do. Being a Scott Dixon fan as of late has been so good 😊
@smokeybandit9760 I definitely watch Indycar and love the racing over there. Alex Palou might be the best driver in the world right now.
That said, Indycar certainly has its own problems: The lack of more big ovals and their really bad schedule (A month between the 1st and 2nd races is very dumb) to name a few.
Honestly, all the motorsport series have their problem, maybe apart from Imsa and Wec
@@Mr.X2188 My only complaint with WEC and IMSA is their cautions periods, ESPECIALLY at Le Mans. Besides that I think they run things the best
A month between the first and 2nd race is dumb but NASCAR did something dumber by starting the 1964 season a week after the 1963 season ended meaning that race 1 of 1964 was run in 1963
Thanks for the offer, but I didn't grow up since the early 2000s watching IndyCar. I'm always going to be much more emotionally invested in NASCAR. Its one of the things I bonded with my family over growing up.
For me, nothing could ever replace it. So, I want to fix it, not abandon it.
In 2003 Matt Kenseth did something that “broke the system” and they made a change. Last night “broke the system” even worse, time to change it.
Matt didn't even break the system to the point it was a joke now 21 years later people wish that they didn't complain
The problem is Kenseth didn't break the system. All it needed was tweaking. Brian France is a moron.
@@masoneveridge4078award way more points for wins, drivers would've stopped "points racing" and being scared to go for wins, and 2nd could lead most laps and score as much as the winner.
There probably a alternate universe where nascar instead of making the whole playoff thing they just added more points for winning
I’ve been saying for years if they changed the round of 16 started at 12, and made the championship round 3 races it would be much better, it also gives a situation where the championship round could have racetracks like martinsville, Miami and phoenix, it would allow a variety of track types so drivers with different specialties would have a chance to showcase their true talent and it would in a way give the fans the wish of a rotating championship
6:30. I honestly don't give a shit about the: "don't hate the player, hate the game" say. I can hate the player and the game.
I like the player and hate the game
Same, Joey a Brat who nearly hits people on pit road after losing, and wrecks other people all the time, and bitches when it happens to him, I’m sure he’s fine outside the racetrack, and I don’t blame him for playing the system, but the system is wrong, so he can’t complain when people say it’s unearned, because that’s exactly what it is.
@@alextriplett9414 Cry me a river. Waaa waaa
@@PlymouthCuda340dude a sewer isn’t a good place to live, I’d get out of there if I were you.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game", is the same kind of enabling shit as "Separate the art from the artist."
I was actually rooting for Logano to win Phoenix because I knew that would be the biggest chance we have at seeing change
A 10 race playoffs would be a way better system. Keep the stage points and get rid of win and your in. Just take the top 12 or 16 in points and have them race for the title.
That's pretty much how it used to be.
@@smileygladhandsWhy in the world did Nascar change it then?
@Mr.X2188 Probably because Johnson dominated it, but back then playoff points and stages didn't exist
@@Mr.X2188 jimmie was too good and kept winning.
@@Ex0dus24 Back when hendrick could cheat and get away with it.
I like these changes. And as you said, the fans have spoken and they want change… so what will NASCAR do? Nothing at all
If anyone watched Eric Estepp's video. I agree with how he has his format and would love to see that
No, I'll never listen to that clown who knows nothing about racing.
Let's go back to old nascar points system.
Either the full season format like F1 and Indycar or the 2004-06 chase but especially get rid of the win and you're in
I don't care for "win and in" in any form. Make wins worth 20-30 points more than 2nd if you want, but they shouldn't lock you into anything.
All I got to say for hardcore fans of nascar is that nascar don't care about u and focus on its casual fans so either deal with the changes of time and how they run their sport now or just be done with it and move on to something with your life that you'll actually enjoy better than us
And the moment that is done NASCAR's fate will be sealed as the playoffs non playoffs split is 66/34 with the non playoffs having the 66%
Brian France admitted as much years ago...if you try to appeal to everyone, you'll appeal to no one.
They’ve done that already, it’s what I’m thinking about doing so thx for the reassurance.
I kept track of my own points system this year for this very reason. 12 Drivers (Wild Card Format), Eliminations (3 after each of the first two rounds of the Playoffs), Crown Jewel races count as Double Points (I had 5 Crown Jewel races, adding the Bristol night race), and a four race Championship round. Heading into Phoenix, Kyle Larson needed to win and have Christopher Bell finish 22nd or worse to be the champion, otherwise it would go to Bell. This also might have made Larsons' decision on the Coke 600 a bit more difficult, as the race would have awarded him x2 points, and in the end, likely cost him the title. I plan on adjusting it a bit for next year, maybe resetting points after the Playoff field is set and adding bonus points or something. I also didn't award stage points.
Dawg for that same reasom, is why years ago, i gave up, started staying on the same Madden, 2K, MLB, Fifa, Football Manager, NHR2003. JUST so i can make my own fantasy world of sports where everyrhing goes my way😂
Mf, go thru like every seasom sincs 2000, and impliment that systembl into your Nascar world. See what new lagacy was created in your univwrse
@@internetgodlilbihhI will have to see what I can do. The only issue is as things are in my system, 40th gets 1 point. They don’t even have 40 cars in every race now, but they used to have 43. So I will either have to adjust the points or figure out something.
5:45, as a brad K fan, him being in 9th is CRAZY 💀
Nascar probably thought this would be like single lug nuts or moving the number forward where we just get used to it, not true, we've had this format for 11 years now and the overwhelming majority myself included will never accept it because it's so egregious to the creditability of the sport.
I'm still not used to single nuts or forward numbers...makes the cars look like some poverty league racing series in a third world country!
Yeah they have spoken out. I know I have and the outrage is the biggest that has ever been seen before. This feels like a combination of all the past outrage from 2015, 2018, 2020 & even 2022 at the least has merged together and has created 2024
The bad moments this season have far outweighed the good ones, for every good moment there's been controversy, shit shows, controversial shit shows, or races that were just plain BORING! I agree, we have GOT TO get back to full season points.
Bring Back The Original Chase Format With The 2004-2006 10 Driver/2004-2013 10 Race Format With Chase Points And No Points Resets For The NASCAR Cup Series. ONLY!!!!!!!!
But Bring Back The Winston Cup Full-Season Points Format For Both The NASCAR Xfinity Series And The NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series.
Are we ignoring that -5 would have been one of the closest (if not the closest) championship final standings in HISTORY??? There’s your entertainment NASCAR
Is there no way we can petition or put any pressure or Nascar to change as fans? This all feels so hopeless
Maybe convince some billionaire to buy NASCAR? Short of a NASCAR split that's the only way to save stock car racing.
The gen 7 cars tires pop almost without any contact as proven by Kyle larson about 2 or 3 races ago... the tires fall of more frequently and the axel breaks easier. And you prefer the hen 7 car over the gen 6, i don't understand your opinion but i respect it
Gen 7 car is an abomination! Just get rid of most of the 1.5s and NASCAR should have kept Gen 6...for years fans screamed their heads off for LESS 1.5s, then they gave us a crappy ass car that is only decent at best on them, NASCAR actually reduced the amount of 1.5s, now fans are screaming for more of them!? Like we should gotten rid of most of them years ago! Not add more!
@PaperBanjo64 I agree 100% it truly is one of the biggest reasons of nascars downfall, I didn't watch the 2022 season really at all because of it
my only issue with making it a must win and your in is once you have 10 winners (or how ever many spots are available), it would really disincentivize the desire for the rest of the field to race. If the first 10 races, we have 10 different winners, we would still have 16 races until the play offs with no incentive for the rest field, unless you can somehow win more than the people who made it in. It would make the rest of the season irrelevant after that.
No playoffs, no Chase, no elimination. No win & you're in BS. Go back to the season long format with the last 10 races being worth a significant points bump. The playoff reset rewards some way too much & punishes others way too much.
NASCAR doesn't even want that to happen again.
@@KidLatin27 No, they are too stubborn to admit their grand scheme has been a gigantic failure & will continue to hemorrhage fans.
The easiest compromise for the people who fully want the Winston Cup style format back and the people who entirely want to keep a playoff format of some kind:
Points reset for the playoffs is just cutting everyones points in half, thus cutting the gaps in half (Ex. If pre playoffs 1st place has 860 points (+22), 2nd has 838 points (-22), and lets say 6th has 773 points (-87), the points reset would put them at 1st with 2430 points (+11), 2nd at 2419 points (-11), and back in 6th they'll be at 2387 points (-43).
In the playoffs (using 10 race chase, no eliminations), give 12 additional points for the win, 8 for 2nd, and 5 for 3rd along with 4 additional points for the stage win.
Having the points reset be directly based off of pre playoff standings while massively increasing the maximum available points in the playoff races means everyones entire season matters, but what they do in the final 10 races is still by far the most important.
they probably think all the negativity equals ratings
The Daytona 500 has been made the least important race of the season in this format. It gets random winners, and you’ve got 25 weeks to get another win. That alone should disqualify the playoffs.
Well, what NASCAR is gonna probably do is they’re gonna probably find drivers who like the format and ban them from talking to previous drivers so that they will enjoy the format that we currently have
Thinking of it now, I don't *hate* the idea of an elimination format, but I DO hate the idea of the championship being determined in just one race. And I do feel like being consistently upfront should be rewarded.
So my ideal format would be:
- 24-race regular season, with a 12-race postseason
- Top-25 points requirement for wins to count towards postseason eligibility
- A 3-race Championship 4 round, where none of the 4 drivers earn stage points or playoff points. A straight-up points battle to determine the champion.
I feel like the last point will reward consistency AND rising up when it matters most. Just my 2 cents.
Whats sad is that the championship race seemed like it was just those 4 cars out there. Everyone to me it seemed was ready for the offseason and just wanted to get the race over and go home
Apparently all of us that hate the playoffs are “bots” in nascar eyes
They've not cared what fans thought a long time or they wouldn't have given Darlington's date to Fontana, or took Rockingham away and gave Texass a second date it never deserved.
Be careful what one wishes for, feel like no matter what format people will complain to complain
What if instead of Win and your in. A Win gets a crap ton of more Points towards both Reg season and Play offs. Still making wins extremely desirable. That way the format would both reward wins and consistency.
I work at Penske. It seemed harder to win in ‘12 than the current. I think a 3 race final round could be cool. I don’t think it’s completely broken just needs tweaked. Funny, more outrage from this than KB winning after missing a third on the season.
In the words of S1apSh0es, Playoffs are stupid and bad.
To me it's not the fact that Logano won the championship, it's how he got there that bothers me
The fans have spoken and we want more Nascar Thunder 2000 career videos!
Maybe nascar can just dissapear already nobody seems to appreciate the sport anymore we just bring up football references every other sentence anyway
Supercars in Australia have adopted this format for next season. 🥴🥴🥴
I am the most casual nascar fan imaginable and I was disappointed that joey even had a chance to win the championship
Each win is worth a "Championship point" plus what Harvick said
Nascar doesn't listen to fans and have only doubled down on the gimmicks once they have been implemented, I would be very surprised if they wound back any changes to the playoff format.
1. Make the final round 3 races - carry over playoff points like the other rounds. Rounds should be consistent. This would deter fans who complain about what race hosts the final race as there would be a 3 race round instead. Either start the playoffs 2 races earlier or have a 1 race challenge at the start of playoffs (play-in for the final 16th spot or a bye round for top 4 in regular season).
2. Reward success in each round - give the top 3 points earners in each round 3, 2 and 1 playoff points. We had Reddick and Logano not even trying after clinching spots in the championship which is a huge problem. They were not giving 100% and only prepping for PHX. This is the same issue as having drivers clinch the chip early and driving around celebrating. Rewarding points in each round means every race and every position truly matters - even for drivers that have already advanced.
3. Bring back bonus points - Give drivers 1 point for laps led and 1 playoff point for most laps led. Teams would make strategy calls just to get a point if they were having a bad day. It would bring more strategy and natural race unpredictability. Also give 1 point for pole winner which puts a premium on the race weekend and fans a reason to watch practice and qualifying like in the past.
The Top 10 seeded by wins with 2 Wild Card spots for winners in the Top 20 is my preferred format.
I've been saying for years the 1 race round should be the first round. Kind of like Eric said today, but lock in the top 10 in points after 26 races. Other 6 winners / best in points outside the top 10 compete for 2 wild cards in that first race. 3 Race championship, a road course, an oval, a short track for the championship
Very slight variation to your format. I think it should be the top 8 drivers on points in the Chase. Then, we bring back the wildcards where the two drivers with the most wins who aren’t in the top 8 (tiebreakers decided on points) are also in. Keeps an emphasis on winning races while still making sure no PR nightmares happen where the the regular season champ doesn’t make the playoffs
@NASCAR THIS ^ This is what fans and drivers want.
Chris Buscher who finished 17TH in points and missed the chase. Has two more top tens than our season champion.
And Justin Haley Corey Lajoie and Harrison Burton have more top 10's then our champion has top 5's and they ranked 31st 33rd and 34th out of 34 full time teams in points
I like the playoffs the way it is but what I don't like is NASCAR playing favorites Joey logano was not supposed to be in the renovate he was already eliminated but NASCAR put him back in that's what my issue is they took Alex Bowman out and they put Joey logano in
Ill he honest, the only way an elimination style chase can work, is if we don't eliminate the points gap between rounds, or make the final round a 3 or 4 race round
Fun fact if we never left the chase for the cup format where 10 races decided a champion Logano would also be a three time champ in 14 15 and 16 woulda gone full Yarborough so he does deserve a third championship
Legitimately don't give a crap about the championship until they go back to a 10 race chase no eliminations or ideally a full season championship. This sport desperately needs to recover legitimacy in the motorsports world. Our champions are so weak nearly every year
NASCAR won’t go back to season long points or the 10 race Chase. We can beg but it won’t happen. The fans need to demand a change in the elimination format, and a three race “championship round” is a must. I prefer a 4-3-3 race elimination format because I think that change would be the easiest to make.
NASCAR would rather go out of business than make the fans happy.
Here’s my proposed format for next year which NASCAR can still make happen without altering the elimination system
1. Remove win and in guarantee
2. Have wins be worth 10 points instead of 5 as you mentioned
3. Have regular season points mean more, personally I think it should be 40, 25, 20, 15, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1 for Top 10 in points.
4. Have those regular season points carry over to the finale.
Then in 2026, change the rounds up to be 1, 3, 3, 3. Maybe the first race could be Daytona, Talladega or Atlanta to give some of those guys deep in the points one opportunity to progress further.
That’s my proposal. Feel free to throw in your requests for additional changes, comments section
i like your idea but i would also include the 2 drivers highest in points without a win. Kind of like the wild card drivers they had back in the early 2010s
My opinion: NASCAR wants a game 7 moment, so they should do just that.
Separate the playoffs into two sections. A three-race Wild Card round of 12 drivers, and a 7-race Championship round of 8 drivers. At least that way a Champion is decided across a much bigger number of races.
But we've been talking against the current format since the day it was announced, so I have no confidence that NASCAR will improve it any time soon, nor do I have the confidence that they'll do something appropriate.
Or 5 on 5. 10 drivers have 5 races to try and advance. And top 5 drivers have 5 races to fight for the title. No wins, no BS. Just be the most consistent and score the most points.
@@Tylnorton i actually think the exact same way lol
I gave up on NASCAR 2 years ago and started watching MotoGP. NASCAR is nothing more than the WWE of motorsports.
So why do people continue to show up on race weekends and tune in?
0:20 I’ve never seen that clip before😂 I must be living under a rock
Here's how we fix it. 26 race regular season still but top 14 in points no matter what get in. Then 2 wildcards get in if they have wins if they don't then 15 and 16 are in. We have 5 races then eliminate the 8 Lowest in points then the last 5 races is just a dash to the finale and the points leader wins. Playoff points still count
Basically that first half was the 2011-2013 Wildcard Chase where the top 10 in points and the 2 drivers with the most wins between 11th and 20th were also in
First I'd drop the win and you're in aspect, that's what is breaking the playoff format right now. I'd change up the points format, I'd say 10 points for most laps led in a race, 5 points for leading a lap during a race, and I could see 5 points for pole, and 5 for fastest lap just to throw a little more attention to qualifying. I might be persuaded to add 5 points for the driver who started lowest and finished highest in the results... I would give the top five finishers more points, and anything outside of the top 30 would be awarded no points. This would be throughout the season. I would have the top 10 drivers in points (less is more) begin the playoffs, which I would keep at 10 races. NASCAR loves the drama of elimination races, so they can keep that, but it would be based solely on points Something like the first two rounds would have three races, and the championship would be four races (Plate Track, 1.5 mile track, RC, Short Track). AT the end of the day, the Championship would be won by whomever had the most points after those races... I mean even eliminating the elimination aspect, you'd still have drivers who fall off and would eliminate themselves, remember, win and you're in is gone.
Full season format nothing else
See the problem with any championship format is always gonna have a flaw we can’t unfortunately have a good playoff format but the playoff format we have now is so stupid
Well yeah, there's no such thing as a perfect championship crowning format, and it doesn't matter what sport it is. I do think when you're trying to acknowledge greatness though, you owe it to the sport you're running to make it as fairly as possible. Playoffs work better in sports like football or baseball because of how those sports work. Playoffs in NASCAR don't work because of how NASCAR works. Hell, IDK if I would even support Playoffs in drag racing, just because a lot of the same "what if" variables still apply to it just like any other motorsport.
Denny calling Bowman a hack is a disgrace.
I'll agree we shouldn't have eliminations. They should have the 16 drivers in the playoffs reset the points hand out the bonuses like stage wins and race wins and go from there for the next 10 races. Still give out stage pts throughout the 10 races... And maybe even 3 pts for a win if they think 5 is to much for a win in the playoff...
7:47 Joey Logano brings the country together after tumultuous election, that's my GOAT 🐐
I’m fine with the win and your in thing, but it needs to be where those who are in a certain position in the points standings, like say the top 20, where that win(s) make you eligible
i would go full season all the way. like dirt racing or monster jam. they got better points
I want change format like @Eric Estepp ideas
What was his odea? Demolish the playoffs totally?
That is certainly better than what we have now. The worst part of this system is that it is a winner take all championship race. We can't let a title be decided based on that. That needs to be changed and Eric's system does that
@@Mr.X2188 that's the main issue. The 1 race championship
@Me181 100% Under this system, it is possible to win 35/36 races in the season, and then get wrecked out in the final race and lose the title.
That would be like Max Verstappen losing the title last F1 season despite winning 21/22 races. That should not be possible.
Don't ever bring Estepp into this He's a clown and he caters to NASCAR's BS.
2004 chase format w the current points setup
Do what Tony Stewart said, but all season.
My playoff idea is at 4:45 in this video.
After listening to your system, i agree with it mostly, but I think the top 5 should be guaranteed into the playoffs. Sounds like it very well could work
Some of the fans have spoken, not all of them.
Three years in a row Penske steals the championship which is ridiculous. NASCAR wanted two Fords in the final 8 so they came up with a ridiculous unexplainable stupid penalty against Bowman. It’s a disgrace.
I believe this has always been a broken format. Win and your in and a 1 race championship are way too "entertaining" to get rid of ugh. The racing product should be the entertainment not a phony points format.
i thinks the ARCA Kansas race was the most entertaining race of the season!
Penske has figured out the system the last 3 years. NASCAR changed the points system because Jimmie Johnson kept winning the title, NASCAR needs to change it again.
I like your format, but I would have 1! Wildcard spot for points. Only 1!
Larson was far and away the best throughout the season. I think that's why they're using him. He won the most races, most stages, scored the most stage points, and lead the most laps (by over 500)... Oh and he did all this while missing the longest race of the season (at track he excels at). Bell led laps and won a rain shortened race that weekend, so some of these numbers might been even more in Larson's favor had he participated.
He also won 2 playoff races... actually dominated 2 playoff races, one more than the other, but still. Then in the Rd of 8, his finishes were 11th, 13th and 2nd (Ithink in that order) and in two of those races, he had issues that had nothing to do with him or making mistakes (pit crew error and flat tire), both at tracks where he excels. Don't forget that he also had a flat tire at Kansas which damaged the car and again, at one of his best tracks.
Waiting till Larson retires never watch again
Larson is a race behind and took the season points lead. He was literally #1 in most categories. Just drop the playoffs and keep the point system all season long just like F1 and Indy. And all other forms of motorsports.
Joey Logano had as many Top 20s as William Byron & Tyler Reddick had in Top 10s
NASCAR will never get rid of the playoffs.
They don't want to admit that there's controversy and their state of the sport proves that.
Make the gas tanks smaller or tires that wear faster make them pit more
This is why o watch every sport through vids of people making jokes of thw sport and the players in them. Season Meme Reviews, Silly Season, etc.
FWIW. Tyler Reddick won the regular season title, the first 26 races. Joey Logano outperformed Reddick in the playoffs. 3 wins & AvgF of 13.9 vs 1 win & AvgF of 18.5. And Joeys AvgF was only 1.9 positions off Kyle Larsons 12.0 & Joey Logano out won Kyle Larson 3-2. By the numbers, it should have been Bell or Byron. But Joeys stats are beyond comparable to the driver who won the regular season championship and the guy who won the most races.
With the championship race there’s literally no reason to tune in the other 35 weeks. Just watch the last race because there’s no point in watching. Like football, the reason the superbowl is so popular is because the build. Just watch 1 race