Berggren, kasper, Raymond line. Make it happen! Kasper inflicts havoc on the other team while Berggren is the play maker who helps Raymond score a bit more. We need to form a line designed to make Raymond the trigger man. Designing the line to make Berggren the playmaker and Raymond the shooter might help this Raymond scoring issue. Kasper can do a bit of everything hopefully as he gets more comfortable with the league.
I think it is worth exploring for Brad to re-examine his goalie arguments. He will say that Connor Hellebuyk is a phenomenal goalie when discussing the Jets record. Thus will be right after dismissing the Wings’ record due to goalies luck boxing their way to wins. I am not saying we are conducting a master class or anything to our record. That being said, Talbot is awesome and Lyon can be if not overtaxed. Goalie may be a strength for the short term if healthy and having a very good outlook for the future with Cossa and Augustine. Goalies are part of the team too. At this point, I would say a strength and should be considered in the DNA of the team, not just an afterthought. Shesterkin is considered in a big way for the Rangers and their success. I want more runway and time for sure, but I think we need to consider giving Talbot/Lyon the same kudos. I would not put them in the problem side of the spreadsheet and have them solidly in the strengths. Hoping they are consistent the rest of the way.
Wonder if the sentiment changes if the bunch of posts hit were goals in the first two periods of the Rangers game. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then today would be Christmas I guess. Had some quality chances and could’ve had a decisive lead. Didn’t watch the third period while putting a kiddo to bed.
Husso threw the game. When you let in a cluster of goals in a short amount of time (as he always does), your players start to panic. Missing the net, mishandling, etc. They know what to expect from him and he should never take the ice again.
I do see positives. The problem is they are minuet and behind schedule to the "rebuild". The Ducks game was probably the most glaring example of the discrepancy on the D line - As soon as Seider and Ed get off, the ice tilts and we get peppered. If we keep status quo on the D line up - it's going to be a slog and no playoffs. Might need to trade draft picks or developing assets to trade and do whatever to the cap to get a more capable D pairing in here sooner than later.
Team defense and goaltending is better, but the lack of speed and firepower behind the 1st line is a HUGE issue. Copp, Compher, Kane as a 3rd line would be decent, but if it's your 2nd line, that means the depth is bad. The best teams in the league don't give you any time and space - The Red Wings do the complete opposite and the reason why the PK is so bad too. Can't let your opponents be comfortable, they need to start playing more aggressively. Same applies to the forecheck.
John Scott talking about bad Red Wings players on the pod like he wasn’t one hahaa! Brad shoulda made up a mean pun for him to his face or had Evan challenge him 🥊
The team has not been electrifying so far! The 16 games are groundbreaking but not hopeless in reaching our playoff goal. What I have been criticizing for over 2 years is that the young players are not getting enough use. They might not be better, but they are getting more game experience. This would be more valuable for the future team than paying 2-3 veterans between $5-6 million. They should rather get a top player for $8-12 million. If not, then we should just leave everything alone and continue to go around in circles and not change anything (ironic). I give Lalonde a certain amount of blame. Since he has been in Detroit, he has not really made a difference. Bashill even had to work with a worse team. I don't see any system in Lalonde that he wants to convey. In the press conferences he always says the same thing. He also shows no passion, which Detroit fans love. Even if we are last in the league, we love our team, we have passion. Let Zetterberg coach the team!
Next year has real promise. Husso, Kane, Petry, Motte all UFA's end of this season, Yamamoto buyout comes off the books. Looking at the list of available defensemen next season, there's real hope they can right the past wrongs here.
@@kevinthedp I agree with you that this can be a change! Personally, however, I always have the feeling that this could have been regulated earlier and unfortunately we have lost another season. We will see!
It's time to do what the Tigers did. Promote the talented kids and see what we have. Maybe they're ready sooner than expected. We won't know until we give them time in the NHL. They can't be worse than what we have now.
Yzerman thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, he’s not going to deviate from his plan until he’s relieved of his duties, which isn’t happening anytime soon.
@@chrismills8255he thinks he’s much smarter than he is. The reason is because nobody around him ever had the balls to call him out. He was captain once upon a time so he’s immune to criticism.
@@OurFamilyInMotionMazur is hurt; and no self respecting organization will never move any prospects internationally in mid season unless their season is over and they have no playoffs to attend. It's just respectful of other teams and leagues.
We went from 2 defender away from being a decent playoff team to needing 4 defenders and 2 forwards. Thats the big issue and the blame is with Stevie Y
All of last season Lalonde got lambasted by fans for calling out the fact that, despite the wins and goals, the hockey the team was playing was not winning, much less playoff caliber, hockey. The bender the team went on convinced fans this team was a lot further along than they are. It's not a good, much less cogent, roster.
Some bad contracts come off the books next year and lots of good available defensemen in 2025. Yzerman is accumulating cap space, and for everyone that complains about the players Yzerman has shipped out, Walman is a healthy scratch and not playing well, Sprong was just given away by Vancouver for nothing... hopefully they can pick up a K'Andre Miller, Chychrun, Hague, Grzelyck, Lindgren.... the fact that Petry makes 1mil less than Ekblad is WILD lol that contract was not Yzermans finest moment lol
@@kevinthedpit’s depressing but I’m looking forward to a detailed article from the Athletic on what contracts are expiring, how much money will be freed up next summer already
Wings had the same defensive issues as last year - they were outscored. Yzerman, not knowing and having to budget money for Raymond/Seider might have handcuffed him a bit - but reality is they were always going to be a bubble WC card. Perry should never see an NHL ice sheet. What confuses me is why is anyone surprised? There is no regression…. It’s the same middling team they have been the last 3 years and it will continue to be until there is ELITE talent acquired. The NHL is a league of elite game breaking…. Detroit doesn’t have it yet.
Fans have a right to be upset but idk how you go into this season thinking we are a 'good team' talent wise. Detroit as of the start of the LaLonde tenure is an 80-90 pt team. THATS NOT A PLAYOFF COMPETITIVE TEAM! It's very mediocre. It's not surprising; it shouldn't be a hard reality to accept right now. You got a taste of improvement and now you're a fiend? Ok. Our top 3 prospects arguably by ppg are Buchnelikov (21pts in 24), Kiiskinen(injured, 16pts in 18games) and ASP(14pts in 17). All overseas; I believe ASP could make the Raymond/Seider type graduation to the NHL ; point is they're not in NA. Whether you believe smaller ice affects that is open to debate. If Yzerman sells at the deadline is the 'smart fanbase' gonna go conspiracy mode and accuse him of sabotage again?
Again the kids are not being given a good look,,drafting by Yzerman has been good and we shall see HOW GOOD when they actually play,,where Stevie STINKS !! his signings,, he let free agents like Perron,,Namestnikov, even Sprong and basically gave away Wallman and let Goshisbehave go !! Terrible !! In there place we have Peitry, Holl,, Rangers D G ? and Teerisenko,,I mean if this was a trade it woukld rank as one of the worst trades EVER !!!! Yzerman should be put on a short lease.
Some of those players left on non agreeable terms and some of those you have to get rid of otherwise you don't get to see Kasper and Edvinsson. Gotta give something up to move the prospects up. I'd rather them see success in their respected leagues than drown on this current roster.
I think you missed the !! I was talking about the free agents he signed to replace those who left and how poor of a job he has done with does replacements !! I get that the kids need to play but look at the guys who have come in over the last couple of years,,,Pathetic !!
@@socialmediag5485so fun random lottery question would you have won the lottery and have Lafreniere as the only lottery #1 pick you'll ever win or keep Lucas Raymond?
The team is a bore to watch. Idc if there’s 40 shots on net, they are a bore. Lalonde is so uninspiring as a coach. This years wings team, just doesn’t feel like a playoff team. Especially with how much better the east got
The biggest difference this year compared to last year is that Red Wing is boring as hell to watch trying to play a game they can't handle. It has to do with their head coach for sure. Three years and none of his three different teams can play as he wants, scandal with RW history and identity. RW is on its way to nine straight years of not making the playoffs. NINE years in a row and the head coach who thinks he is happy with parts of the game.. Only Buffalo beats them in having more years of failure in a row, when Buffalo succeeds RW is the NHL laughing stock, thank you very much S.Y. S.Y has a huge responsibility here and he doesn't get a lot of crap from the media or streamers, probably because he is considered God in hockey town. The team he assembled this year is laughable to watch and follow from overseas
@@workshoptelescope You probably weren't saying that last year when they won like their first 10 games. Roster really isn't much different from last year. What changed this year is the energy hasn't been the same since when Larkin got hurt last year. Part of that is on coaching, yeah they haven't hit on free agency at the same time coaching is horrible.
@ yes. Yes I was saying that last year. They were winning games on the back of an unsustainable shooting percentage which eventually regressed. When it did, this is what they are. What changed is Gostisbehere, Walman, and left, while Kane, Chairot, and Petry are even older and more terrible. The replacement signings were all observably worse. “Energy” and other intangibles seem to be what everyone retreats to in light of more observable, material causes with this team. The roster isn’t talented enough to play high level hockey this season.
Lalonde is a garbage tier coach. Apathy is setting in now. Until major changes come, it’s just going to get worse. Yzerman is immune to criticism, because he was captain forever ago. This is a bad situation and they’re not even fun to watch.
I dunno how anyone can still defend Yzerman at this point. Take the blinders off...this team sucks and they are worse than last year. Too many head scratching moves that made them worse. No D and no goalies and they look like an AHL team out there getting dummied by better teams. Yzerman got way too much credit in Tampa Bay. He was my favorite player growing up but I've never had blinders on for him like so many fans do or former teammates like McCarty does on Woodward him and those dopes on that show refuse to criticize him and this roster. I'm over it...#deadwings
Those moves are only head scratching if you think he's trying to make the playoffs this year. He's not. He's still building for the future and part of that process is to let Edvinsson and AJo play more which doesn't happen if Ghost, Walman and Maatta are still on the team. Berggren and Kasper would probably not be playing as much if Perron, Fabbri and Sprong were still here. Next year we could see Cossa, Danielson and ASP but they need time and experience too. There will be some growing pains but these things need to happen.
Only 3 players playing for Wings Larkin heart soul,Snider,and Talbot problem is head coach that's all I can say Stevie been Red Wing all my life 70years horrible listen to your fan thanks
first thing wwp please stop with the same ryan 5 minute intro that we all skip. take a page out of joe rogan and get right into it. second, did any red wing fan think we were winning the cup this year, so why is yzerman and newsy playing this boring hockey to do what. play loose and have fun. i would rather lose 6-4 than 4-0
Yeah cuz semi regular hockey TH-camrs wake up with Joe Rogan success format on their mind every day to appease people who can't handle small talk and casual conversations.
This team can’t “play loose” like last season because last season’s scoring was the result of an unsustainable shooting percentage. This team was always this bad. It was just wallpapered over by a non-regressed sh%.
"Pickleball sucks. Just play tennis, dork." I would like to buy that named level sponsor a beer.
Berggren, kasper, Raymond line. Make it happen! Kasper inflicts havoc on the other team while Berggren is the play maker who helps Raymond score a bit more. We need to form a line designed to make Raymond the trigger man. Designing the line to make Berggren the playmaker and Raymond the shooter might help this Raymond scoring issue. Kasper can do a bit of everything hopefully as he gets more comfortable with the league.
It's RaymunT...at least that's what it sounds like when he says it
Agreed, that should be the 2nd line. Put the Copp/Ras/Fischer line back together for the 3rd.
Agree. Kasper needs to play on the second line. Surround him with good players and let's go.
It’s not that we’re losing but how we’re losing that drives me nuts. Something has to change before it gets too late.
Fewest goals scored in the entire league except for Anaheim. That is a much bigger issue than defense.
It was a blast Saturday night despite the outcome, can't wait to meet up with everyone again in GR and DET.
I think it is worth exploring for Brad to re-examine his goalie arguments. He will say that Connor Hellebuyk is a phenomenal goalie when discussing the Jets record. Thus will be right after dismissing the Wings’ record due to goalies luck boxing their way to wins. I am not saying we are conducting a master class or anything to our record. That being said, Talbot is awesome and Lyon can be if not overtaxed. Goalie may be a strength for the short term if healthy and having a very good outlook for the future with Cossa and Augustine. Goalies are part of the team too. At this point, I would say a strength and should be considered in the DNA of the team, not just an afterthought. Shesterkin is considered in a big way for the Rangers and their success. I want more runway and time for sure, but I think we need to consider giving Talbot/Lyon the same kudos. I would not put them in the problem side of the spreadsheet and have them solidly in the strengths. Hoping they are consistent the rest of the way.
Wonder if the sentiment changes if the bunch of posts hit were goals in the first two periods of the Rangers game.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then today would be Christmas I guess.
Had some quality chances and could’ve had a decisive lead. Didn’t watch the third period while putting a kiddo to bed.
Growing pains. Hold onto your bolts, wing nuts!
FanDuel currently has Kyle Connor listed as +7500 for the Hart. The way he's playing for the current league leading team, not a bad long shot bet imo
Call up wallinder and tuomisto as you second line pair of defenders
Husso threw the game. When you let in a cluster of goals in a short amount of time (as he always does), your players start to panic. Missing the net, mishandling, etc. They know what to expect from him and he should never take the ice again.
I do see positives. The problem is they are minuet and behind schedule to the "rebuild". The Ducks game was probably the most glaring example of the discrepancy on the D line - As soon as Seider and Ed get off, the ice tilts and we get peppered. If we keep status quo on the D line up - it's going to be a slog and no playoffs. Might need to trade draft picks or developing assets to trade and do whatever to the cap to get a more capable D pairing in here sooner than later.
Team defense and goaltending is better, but the lack of speed and firepower behind the 1st line is a HUGE issue. Copp, Compher, Kane as a 3rd line would be decent, but if it's your 2nd line, that means the depth is bad. The best teams in the league don't give you any time and space - The Red Wings do the complete opposite and the reason why the PK is so bad too. Can't let your opponents be comfortable, they need to start playing more aggressively. Same applies to the forecheck.
John Scott talking about bad Red Wings players on the pod like he wasn’t one hahaa! Brad shoulda made up a mean pun for him to his face or had Evan challenge him 🥊
Ducks vs Red Wings would be a 0-0 tie, no one scores in shootout...
even when you try to be positive and optimistic you sound almost apologetic about it!
The penalties we took in the last 2 games were not needed, weak, neutral zone or offensive zone ...and were against high scoring pp teams.
The team has not been electrifying so far! The 16 games are groundbreaking but not hopeless in reaching our playoff goal.
What I have been criticizing for over 2 years is that the young players are not getting enough use. They might not be better, but they are getting more game experience. This would be more valuable for the future team than paying 2-3 veterans between $5-6 million. They should rather get a top player for $8-12 million. If not, then we should just leave everything alone and continue to go around in circles and not change anything (ironic).
I give Lalonde a certain amount of blame. Since he has been in Detroit, he has not really made a difference. Bashill even had to work with a worse team. I don't see any system in Lalonde that he wants to convey. In the press conferences he always says the same thing. He also shows no passion, which Detroit fans love. Even if we are last in the league, we love our team, we have passion.
Let Zetterberg coach the team!
Next year has real promise. Husso, Kane, Petry, Motte all UFA's end of this season, Yamamoto buyout comes off the books. Looking at the list of available defensemen next season, there's real hope they can right the past wrongs here.
@@kevinthedp I agree with you that this can be a change! Personally, however, I always have the feeling that this could have been regulated earlier and unfortunately we have lost another season. We will see!
Hei here's idea keep the puck on the boards get 3 guys behind the net and fight for the puck
It's time to do what the Tigers did. Promote the talented kids and see what we have. Maybe they're ready sooner than expected. We won't know until we give them time in the NHL. They can't be worse than what we have now.
Yzerman thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, he’s not going to deviate from his plan until he’s relieved of his duties, which isn’t happening anytime soon.
@@chrismills8255he thinks he’s much smarter than he is. The reason is because nobody around him ever had the balls to call him out. He was captain once upon a time so he’s immune to criticism.
Which talented kids do they have in Grand Rapids to call up?
@@jessecoonce1363 Mazur, Lombardi, Soderblom, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Buium, and Sandin-Pellika all should be considered for looks this season.
@@OurFamilyInMotionMazur is hurt; and no self respecting organization will never move any prospects internationally in mid season unless their season is over and they have no playoffs to attend. It's just respectful of other teams and leagues.
We went from 2 defender away from being a decent playoff team to needing 4 defenders and 2 forwards. Thats the big issue and the blame is with Stevie Y
All of last season Lalonde got lambasted by fans for calling out the fact that, despite the wins and goals, the hockey the team was playing was not winning, much less playoff caliber, hockey. The bender the team went on convinced fans this team was a lot further along than they are. It's not a good, much less cogent, roster.
Some bad contracts come off the books next year and lots of good available defensemen in 2025. Yzerman is accumulating cap space, and for everyone that complains about the players Yzerman has shipped out, Walman is a healthy scratch and not playing well, Sprong was just given away by Vancouver for nothing... hopefully they can pick up a K'Andre Miller, Chychrun, Hague, Grzelyck, Lindgren.... the fact that Petry makes 1mil less than Ekblad is WILD lol that contract was not Yzermans finest moment lol
@@kevinthedpit’s depressing but I’m looking forward to a detailed article from the Athletic on what contracts are expiring, how much money will be freed up next summer already
Wings had the same defensive issues as last year - they were outscored. Yzerman, not knowing and having to budget money for Raymond/Seider might have handcuffed him a bit - but reality is they were always going to be a bubble WC card. Perry should never see an NHL ice sheet. What confuses me is why is anyone surprised? There is no regression…. It’s the same middling team they have been the last 3 years and it will continue to be until there is ELITE talent acquired. The NHL is a league of elite game breaking…. Detroit doesn’t have it yet.
IVAN IVAN has more GOALS tha Raymond
Fans have a right to be upset but idk how you go into this season thinking we are a 'good team' talent wise. Detroit as of the start of the LaLonde tenure is an 80-90 pt team. THATS NOT A PLAYOFF COMPETITIVE TEAM! It's very mediocre. It's not surprising; it shouldn't be a hard reality to accept right now. You got a taste of improvement and now you're a fiend? Ok. Our top 3 prospects arguably by ppg are Buchnelikov (21pts in 24), Kiiskinen(injured, 16pts in 18games) and ASP(14pts in 17). All overseas; I believe ASP could make the Raymond/Seider type graduation to the NHL ; point is they're not in NA. Whether you believe smaller ice affects that is open to debate. If Yzerman sells at the deadline is the 'smart fanbase' gonna go conspiracy mode and accuse him of sabotage again?
Penalty Kill is 100% coaching. Faceoff percentage on PK is atrocious. Do they not have a skills coach in Detroit? Hire Fedorov.
Again the kids are not being given a good look,,drafting by Yzerman has been good and we shall see HOW GOOD when they actually play,,where Stevie STINKS !! his signings,, he let free agents like Perron,,Namestnikov, even Sprong and basically gave away Wallman and let Goshisbehave go !! Terrible !! In there place we have Peitry, Holl,, Rangers D G ? and Teerisenko,,I mean if this was a trade it woukld rank as one of the worst trades EVER !!!! Yzerman should be put on a short lease.
Some of those players left on non agreeable terms and some of those you have to get rid of otherwise you don't get to see Kasper and Edvinsson. Gotta give something up to move the prospects up. I'd rather them see success in their respected leagues than drown on this current roster.
I think you missed the !! I was talking about the free agents he signed to replace those who left and how poor of a job he has done with does replacements !! I get that the kids need to play but look at the guys who have come in over the last couple of years,,,Pathetic !!
Wings are 100% getting a top 10 pick . We’re god awful
What's the harm in getting another top 10 pick in a non playoff year?
We would be lottery team and lose the lottery 😭🤦🏼♂️
@@Septembersmith9633 never said it was a bad thing. Rather get pick #7 than 15 like last year
@@JustinHendersonVvvV 🤣 for sure ... if there’s a good we’d finally be the team that jumps up 9 spots to #1 . Rather that miracle happens in 2026 lol
@@socialmediag5485so fun random lottery question would you have won the lottery and have Lafreniere as the only lottery #1 pick you'll ever win or keep Lucas Raymond?
The team is a bore to watch. Idc if there’s 40 shots on net, they are a bore. Lalonde is so uninspiring as a coach. This years wings team, just doesn’t feel like a playoff team. Especially with how much better the east got
The biggest difference this year compared to last year is that Red Wing is boring as hell to watch trying to play a game they can't handle.
It has to do with their head coach for sure. Three years and none of his three different teams can play as he wants, scandal with RW history and identity.
RW is on its way to nine straight years of not making the playoffs.
NINE years in a row and the head coach who thinks he is happy with parts of the game.. Only Buffalo beats them in having more years of failure in a row, when Buffalo succeeds RW is the NHL laughing stock, thank you very much S.Y.
S.Y has a huge responsibility here and he doesn't get a lot of crap from the media or streamers, probably because he is considered God in hockey town. The team he assembled this year is laughable to watch and follow from overseas
Except this is only Lalonde’s second season.
@@workshoptelescope this is Lalonde's third season and he has no excuse for "no talent"
@@slaybomb96 I mean… the roster is dogshit. It’s not an excuse but it is a fact.
@@workshoptelescope You probably weren't saying that last year when they won like their first 10 games. Roster really isn't much different from last year. What changed this year is the energy hasn't been the same since when Larkin got hurt last year. Part of that is on coaching, yeah they haven't hit on free agency at the same time coaching is horrible.
@ yes. Yes I was saying that last year. They were winning games on the back of an unsustainable shooting percentage which eventually regressed.
When it did, this is what they are.
What changed is Gostisbehere, Walman, and left, while Kane, Chairot, and Petry are even older and more terrible. The replacement signings were all observably worse. “Energy” and other intangibles seem to be what everyone retreats to in light of more observable, material causes with this team. The roster isn’t talented enough to play high level hockey this season.
Lol Ryan saying we can go into 2025 happy, don't think so buddy, not with her current coach
Lalonde is a garbage tier coach. Apathy is setting in now. Until major changes come, it’s just going to get worse. Yzerman is immune to criticism, because he was captain forever ago. This is a bad situation and they’re not even fun to watch.
I challenge you to explain what specifically about his coaching is bad or poor.
I dunno how anyone can still defend Yzerman at this point. Take the blinders off...this team sucks and they are worse than last year. Too many head scratching moves that made them worse. No D and no goalies and they look like an AHL team out there getting dummied by better teams. Yzerman got way too much credit in Tampa Bay. He was my favorite player growing up but I've never had blinders on for him like so many fans do or former teammates like McCarty does on Woodward him and those dopes on that show refuse to criticize him and this roster. I'm over it...#deadwings
Those moves are only head scratching if you think he's trying to make the playoffs this year. He's not. He's still building for the future and part of that process is to let Edvinsson and AJo play more which doesn't happen if Ghost, Walman and Maatta are still on the team. Berggren and Kasper would probably not be playing as much if Perron, Fabbri and Sprong were still here. Next year we could see Cossa, Danielson and ASP but they need time and experience too. There will be some growing pains but these things need to happen.
Only 3 players playing for Wings Larkin heart soul,Snider,and Talbot problem is head coach that's all I can say Stevie been Red Wing all my life 70years horrible listen to your fan thanks
Wings have been poor most of the season, too bad losing a game where they were finally the better team by a lot
I'm sorry but this team is cooked, time to send some crappy regulars to GR send a message atleast.
At least the Redwings outshot the Rangers...silver linings!
Yay
Who cares? They’re trash
No.
Most games these days; the winning team has less shots.
Red Wings? Meh, uninspiring, bland.
Brad wearing Khaki pants? New, exciting, captivating.
Wings are the worst team in Detroit. And I'm not excited about the future. Oh well, it happens.
first thing wwp please stop with the same ryan 5 minute intro that we all skip. take a page out of joe rogan and get right into it. second, did any red wing fan think we were winning the cup this year, so why is yzerman and newsy playing this boring hockey to do what. play loose and have fun. i would rather lose 6-4 than 4-0
Yeah cuz semi regular hockey TH-camrs wake up with Joe Rogan success format on their mind every day to appease people who can't handle small talk and casual conversations.
Speak for yourself, weirdo.
This team can’t “play loose” like last season because last season’s scoring was the result of an unsustainable shooting percentage. This team was always this bad. It was just wallpapered over by a non-regressed sh%.