No Amp. No Sub. We installed speakers only, how does it sound?
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- I'm currently working on a car audio upgrade project that will ultimately feature a component set of speakers, rear coaxials, two 12" subwoofers, and a DSP controlled amplifier. We just finished installing the speakers themselves, so we figured we would take a quick listen to see what we thought after only updating the speakers. In this video we also show how we added a small amount of sound treatment materials, and 3d printed some custom speaker adapters.
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Here's two more helpful videos!
4 Reasons ONLY Upgrading Speakers might not sound good! - th-cam.com/video/lfgIU9JXSiI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DRX_gzGocce3CJBn
Installing speakers? These techniques make a BIG difference! - th-cam.com/video/jPNy_Adb2vU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xmj5U5ZhVsJEQNyL
I forgot to mention in the video that we also did an RTA measurement of the OEM system alone prior to the speaker install. I'd like to get another measurement now with just the speakers installed and then one with the final system. Would you guys be interested in seeing those results?
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Yes!
Yes
Yes to seeing the results.👍
Yea boi,test results peas and carrots
Do you sell those 3d printed adapters? I have that exact same car and would be interested in a set
To answer your question, that is definitely a video you should do. Everyone thinks upgrading speakers from OEM makes a difference, we sould love to see real world analysis especially without an amp. Thanks for all your great work!! You do a phenomenal job on your channel. Ive been a fan for some years now. Keep up the great work.
I’ve replaced mine and others OEM speakers a lot and you can tell a difference even without an amp. Where you notice the biggest difference is when you get rid of the entire factory system and run aftermarket head unit and amps. The sound quality of a good aftermarket system is so much better but it needs to be setup and tuned correctly.
But its really depends or the corrente speakers you have, you have cars with a lot good speakers like Bowers and wilkings, he can do a video but its relative, because depends on the speakers that you car have and what speakers you get, and off course the radio that you are using
@@ProGamerKF in every stock system that I’ve ripped out that claims to have a high end stereo system from a premium manufacturer it’s more about that manufacturer deciding speaker placement based on what the space the car manufacturers give them to use as well as the overall tuning. I’ve never seen a system that didn’t cut bass response or utilize low quality to mid range speakers. As I said I’ve never touched complete system rebuild that didn’t sound infinitely better than the factory system. Better head units, better crossovers, better amplification, better speakers, etc,etc…
@@P-J-W-777 you cant compare with amp, or other units, but you have premium Cars that have like 20 speakers on a car with amp.
Maybe you just touched Peugeot and Renault sound system the high levels of volvos, Audi, and stuff like that they até awesome, and you had to spend more than 1.5k some Times to have similar sound.
And they use special speakers with sizes that you normally dont have selling everywhere
@@ProGamerKF nope I’ve upgraded audio systems in various cars including Rolls Royce, Porsche and all the way down to fords. People kept claiming how good the Tesla audio systems were from factory yet so many people are upgrading them and noticing big differences.
this is the kind of content we mortals can understand better. Thanks
The best thing when considering only updating the speakers, is its best to not buy super high end, high power door and rear speakers. Buy lower powered ones that will be driven better by a factory (or non) unit. I installed a recent JVC unit and some brand name, but lower power speakers in my car, and have a discerning ear. Those 30-75 watt handling speaker's are driven perfectly with the head unit. If i went with 100-150, higher end components, it would not have sounded very good.
That is extremely golden advice. The only thing I’d add is pay attention to the ohm load.
This is what I was looking for! I remember years ago replacing factory speakers with upgraded only to find they weren’t as loud and didn’t sound better.
I have a 2013 Miata stock the speakers suck what do you recommend not sure if I want to put new unit in yet but sounds horrible
I swapped the rear door speakers in my Explorer for a pair of Focal Flax 6.5 coaxial I had laying around. I also 3D printed my speaker adapters.
No amp, base stereo, and they sound really good. They’ll sound even better when I eventually/finally drop the amps and dsp in.
The Focal speakers noted are fantastic....I have all Focal in my car coupled with a 12" JL Audio sub....heavenly.
Agree 100 % , Amps are to boost the volume and leave you deaf , in my Camry XLE I’m using the factory radio and “Kenwood” all the way around including sub amp and subwoofer, there are hundreds of brands and speakers better than “Kenwood” but those work perfectly with my radio without amp , just trying to make it simple and get a balance between audio quality , budged , time and work, however I spent time and money to improve vehicle acoustic characteristics adding some “ dynamat” and extra sound deadening materials 🤷♂️
A little known secret from before the days of dedicated subwoofers, is that when speakers face each other, for example, in the doors, you have a slight increase of base response. I’ve known this since 1974. This makes it critical that you install them very solidly to the inner metal door skin if possible.
Having phase reverse on the sub control is a MUST, it makes all the difference.
I did the same in my 17 Corolla, front and rear speakers, Infinity Reference with sound deadening. What a difference!! Highly recommend doing speakers as the bare minimum in any vehicle.
Also, I did speakers OEM replacement on my corolla 17, however I added amp and I went through kenwood kac 1814 ehich was great and now landed with hertz hcp 4 which is really awesome. Speaker hertz dieci, but tweeters again, changed to cento huuuge difference.
sound deadening is the bare minimum, not the speakers. Installing aftermarket speakers might even have a negative impact on bass, while sound deadening will improve bass response even with stock speakers. I always recommend sound deadening as the first thing to do
@@tomkocur I am planning on doing this as well. Should I use a speaker baffle also?
did you find the infinity reference really bright?
I really like watching you talk to your installer Brian, who is new to this. It really adds a different element that the solo-high end videos you produce don’t have. The way you describe the process (probably subconscious) is really unique versus your traditional videos. I think you should do a playlist/low intensity series, with you training Brian. Walk us noobs through the process with Brian. I no doubt believe this would benefit the car audio community (at entry level). A different/welcomed twist.
I upgraded the factory speakers on my renault megane, the sound quality and volume was better since the aftermarket speakers had higher sensitivity, but they had some distortion from the twitters, which forced me to install an amplifier, now it sounds great
I’m impressed with the results.
I was always adding amps and maybe I didn’t need them. Especially with these better install techniques. 😊
With aftermarket speakers, I’ve noticed mids and highs are vastly improved but bass drops off. Adding even a small sub fixes all of that. I had JL Audio C5 components that I left in the car on trade in (couldn’t find the factory speakers I removed) and listened to it on the factory head unit. Amazing. Just not as loud as with an amp.
Yeah generally the speaker design makes the aftermarket speakers less efficient than factory (depends of course on model), so usually the "max volume" isn't perceived as being as loud. I discuss more here - th-cam.com/video/lfgIU9JXSiI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ezCzrZa-24wCFwZY
@CarAudioFabrication I love you for listening to Subtronics and REZZ. You're unironically the GOAT for that. They're my favorite DJs
The guest was great! Love to see another guy in the video. Please have more guests. That guy is just a fun time!
2021 Volvo. I upgraded the speakers from HPA to Bowers and Wilkens. Marked improvement. Adding a sub amp sealed the deal. Quite pleased.
thats a mighty resource to have ,,, a shared site showing tips and tricks for door stripping .
WOW!! I seriously just learned a lot. You just helped me when I do my own install. Thank you. Your work is top quality
Doing exactly this in a 2022 NX Tucson mid spec with the base level stereo made a huuuuuge difference. I noticed the car had bare metal opposite the door woofer positions, so sound deadening alone no doubt helped tremendously. I used 93db sensitivity JBL SQ speakers, and the high sensitivity on factory head power is astonishingly better already. Super bright top end, and the mid bass is endlessly impressive. So good I've suggested on our local Hyundai group this is a highly recommended upgrade in itself. I'm going the whole hog with a sub and DSP and amps, but the speaker swap alone was a lot better than even I expected. The Hyundai speakers were as cheap as they come, so that's obviously a big factor.
Nice to hear you mention Rezz.
really love your channel and your good work and videos. keep it up that way. always really helpful. thks for that and greets from germany.
Nice! whenever I am only going to change speakers I look for the most efficient ones to minimize the possibility of distortion
Mark you should offer 3d printed adapters now!
great video man! I agree the install is super important!
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Thanks for providing the name of the song. I checked it and it sounds awesome. Really good to test a sound system, Any other songs you would like to share? Perhaps would be a good idea to a next video?
Wow that’s crazy it sounds so good
I like using pro type drivers on oem systems due to their high efficiency,they play cleaner and louder on the 10w provided.
Got some focal ICU 165s sitting in my closet been waiting to find a component set to go with it, also a 660.5 kicker sadly rated 65 watts and the ICUs are 70 . The component set up part of the video really helped thanks so much if anyone has recommendations to components I love to hear everyone’s ideas wish you all great health and wealth
I bought a similar Hyundai Elantra last year, and would love to upgrade rhe stock sound system. Ive heard mixed reviews of whether upgrading soeakers only, would make a substantial difference. Different answers from different installers. Everyone recommends the JL 2 series, but ive gotten different answers on whether just using the stock head unit, without sn amplifier, will make a difference, because it wont be pushing out any more power. After seeing this video, I'd feel more comfortable making the smaller investment. Thank you for posting!
That Black Ice track is a good test track.
It depends on how new the car is. My 04 Corolla, new speakers, aftermarket head unit with built in cross over, 1x12" Alpine Type R on 250w Rockford Fosgate Monoblock. Ive gotten ALOT of comments on the clarity of sound. Not superloud, but still get that bass you like.
Right now I have my Kenwood Excelon DMX706s powering my Morel Tempo Ultra Mark II 6.5 components and Morel Tempo Ultra Integra 6x9’s. They sound amazing. At first I had just the stock speakers being powered by the Kenwood. I have an JL Audio VX800/i8 and a JL Audio 12TW3v3-D-8for a subs I intend to bridge channels 7 and 8 to the sub.
whoooooo subtronics and rezz black ice what a banger im glad you love the song I love playing that song with my after market system
Every car I've ever owned my first upgrade has been upgrade oem speakers. It's a simple yet dramatic change. If you Do your research it's an easy install with the correct tools.
I fully agree...
My wife needed new speakers in her car and after getting them replaced the mid bass made a big difference. However with the sound treatment I'm sure that made an even bigger impact. I would still add an amp because why not if you're already installing speakers. I can't wait to add new speakers in my car, so far I only have subwoofers and sound treatment and a kenwood excelon stereo.
Yes, we will be adding a DSP amp, but was still a fun experiment.
Just upgradingvthe speakers in an E/F series BMW makes a great difference on the E63.
The factory setup on them are slightly different in that only the underseats have amplification.
The left the door and rear shelf speakers powered of the head unit.
Next step is wire up the Rainbow Ipaul to the comps underseats.
That should improve it some more.
Love Subtronics and Rezz!
The stock speaker from Elantra seems pretty hefty! Some car come with worse speaker at stock, and aftermarket speaker really does add a lot.
We changed the speakers in my daughter’s Camry (non JBL) and added a JL amp and sub and the difference was amazing. I want to change the speakers only on my Lexus LC500 but am being told that the oem are 8ohms so I can’t without changing amp
Just increase resistance on the line or add two speakers in series for each location. 😂
If you have never used higher end, larger pro audio drivers, you should check them out. I know you are into more top shelf SQ gear, but I think you would be surprised the quality of the sound you can get from some of these larger drivers and horns when installed properly and given proper bandpass crossovers
With a little effort, I have often been able to repurpose the OEM speaker frame (after removing the old speaker cone and plastic frame) as an adapter for the aftermarket speaker.
The song Soulfly III by Soulfly is a great test track for mids and highs with its guitars and chimes.
This was a good video.
I added Kenwood Speakers in my 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 4D 1.8L I'm looking to upgrade my speakers yet again I was looking at The MTX Terminitrs how are they compared to say JL Audio and how good are JL Audio speakers & Tweeters?
quality info presented in the video, but please introduce some audio samples. try to add a before/after comparison on at least a single test track - 10-20 seconds long - not much. just to have an idea. judging an upgrade by someone reaction is not relevant at all.
So I have a kicker 1200.1 and 2 L7T122 subs. How do I wire them into the amp? Positives to positives and negatives to negatives?
Can you sell the custom Elantra adapters? I don't like the ones that came from crutchfield.
I’d like to ad speakers in my XB I’d like to replace the head unit nothing to fancy around 300.00 plus speakers front and rear. Hoping to get a loud clear stereo, no giant bass to drown everything out. Any thoughts on speakers and maybe amp? Thanks for any help.
I did this with my honda and it sounded 4x better. It got louder, clearer and boomer.
Trust me people speaker adapters are usually important and needed alot more than you realize, and as an example i had a set of 5 .25 kicker cs series speakers for a project truck i didn't end up getting along with a factory replacement stereo for the same vehicle but not one that particular vehicle was ever offered with, and the truck i did end up with the kicker cs series speakers would fit in the rear door speakers location but the front door speakers are different size, and they cost more than the same as the rear speakers for the matching series of cerwin vega hed r series 3 way 6x9's i end up getting and installed in the front door speakers locations in the truck it is a 2000 dodge ram laramie slt quad cab, and the magnet structure on the back of the speakers doesn't allow the power windows down more than about halfway, so they would need to be spaced out away from the front doors they have really decent bass response and sound great honestly but id about guess that the kicker cs series 6x9's i didn't get would have fit just fine with no adapter plate to space them out from the door needed, but i already have the complete set of cerwin vega hed r series door speakers... And I have even considered adding a dual electronics xpr82d amplifier for the right side and left side speakers probably a better setup than dodge used originally and splicing it into the rear doors, but it honestly doesn't need it i did end up changing the head unit to a 20005 pioneer deh model p3700mp mp3 CD player super tuner III D stereo and it sounds awesome with just the front speakers installed unfortunately though it is only halfway installed because i have managed to lose my install cage sleeve for mounting the stereo in the dash so I guess ill end up getting a used stereo around the same years as when they came out with the super tuner III D stereos because it honestly makes more sense to me to do that and have a good backup or a useable head unit for something else,than to spend the $25 online and only buy a cage sleeve.
Proper adapters definitely go a long way. Thank you for watching!
Hey Mark. Long time follower. I would love to see you use some resonix products in your builds. They are too dawg products and a huge game changer
My question is I have a Chrysler crossfire and I have two shallow mounts (vd) 10 Skar subs and I want to pair them with a 12' Skar sub what would be your best suggestion?
What about powering some speakers with the Sony head unit that puts out 45 watts rms? Right now I have focal icu570 speakers all around that sound amazing with an alpine head unit that puts out 18 watts rms. They actually sound really good with so little power. I’m just tired of 4 channel amps. I always have bad luck with them.
Hi Mark, i was wondering, everytime you test a system, you play royality free music. so, can you give us a play list with good bass music that you think is great. or even share your play list ?
@CarAudioFabrication just came across you guys and had a question. So i own a 2020 ford fusion hybrid titanium it comes with the sony 12 speaker system with supposed 390w Regular Amplifier. I purchased 2 pairs of Pioneer TS-A652C A-Series 6-1/2" Component Speakers for front and back doors also Pioneer TS-A879 A-Series 3-1/2" 2-Way Car Speakers for front and back centers, I will sound proof the 4 doors and also the trunk and add a JBL bass pro 12 it draws small amps 20 to be exact because going over 30 amps can cause a lot of issues . From all the research i have done because it is a Hybrid and adding a aftermarket Amp is a whole other ballgame. My question is adding 4ohm speakers to the system will it make my amp and head unit run hot or will they be ok thanks in advance Cheers!
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I had a 2013 Impreza, which had THE WORST stock stereo I have ever experienced. The car is built like a tin can, the speaker magnets do not even stick to metal, the cones are plastic. I installed one of the cheapest Pioneer touch screen head units available with Apple Car Play (MVH-2300NEX) and a set of Alpine type S 6.5" 2 way speakers (SPS-610). I added Noico mat to the whole interior (russian made version of dynamat) and made an aluminum adapter plate for the rear doors, so I could replace all the original 5.25" speakers with the 6.5's. It went from being absolute crap, to blowing my previous Altima's Bose system out of the water. A sub would have brought it to the next level, but it really did sound great for daily driving.
It's a relative change that doesn't always cause any improvement at all. I have tested this before and it all depends on how good the speakers are relative to the head unit in the first place. If you have a decent source but rubbish speakers, yes it will make a big difference. If you have a decent source but your speakers are already decent, it will make no obvious difference, particularly at low volumes. Best way to get an idea is to research the power output of the source head unit and get one of the speakers out and see what it's rated at. If the radio outputs 30w but the speakers are only 5w, there is a good chance it will make a significant difference but if the radio only outputs 15w and the speakers are already 20w, the speakers wont make any difference because the head unit cant provide any more even if the speakers can handle more going to them.
OK so, I have a 1999 reliant robin and the headunit that was in it was garbage ebay spec and stopped working and the speakers are as horrible as you can imagine being in a budget car from a company that had entered administration twice by this point, I want to buy an aftermarket HU and speakers, I would prefer to avoid using an amp, what would be a good sounding pairing?
I want to upgrade my 2016 4runner speakers what’s the best with out lots of money
New to car audio but I just upgraded the front speakers and there was a slight audio improvement. I’m not ready to insert an amp yet but would an aftermarket head unit also make an impact on audio (I have a stock head unit)?
It really depends on the head unit you're installing. You're definitely getting a power upgrade to drive your speakers. But it's somewhat a peace of mind to know that you have a separate amp that could do more headroom than a limited size amp in your headroom.
Confirmation is the best with evidence. Helps me convince my wife .
daaaang...subtronics shout out coming in 🔥🥵
throw some Yheti on em next but don't forget to...crack the window
Every vehicle I've done a straight aftermarket speaker swap on hasn't sounded as good as stock. Putting a good 2 channel on stock speakers nets much better results imo.
I tried this experiment with some decent speakers on my nieces Kia. Better but still not good, pretty similar to the setup in the video. Once I put the amp in it sounded so much better. Thanks to Car Audio Fabrication! I could not have performed the install without you! Furthermore. I do NOT recommend ANY complicated install into a newish car. It was a complete PIA!
Yup, getting speaker wire through the boots to the doors is next to impossible...I did a front component speaker system and rear door coaxials in my new 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport GT and getting 14 gauge speakers wire into the doors took longer than installing the (2) 4 gauge power wires, (2) trigger wires, my 4 channel amp, and subwoofer amp wiring that I ran through my entire SUV...I think manufactures do it on purpose making it nearly impossible to run wiring through those small boots on each door that already having wire harnesses in them....SMH!
@@petedetraglia4776 I got some of the cable with 9 wires inside and soldered it to the harness speaker wires. It sucked.
dang black ice, nice
Quick question, which is material is best for speaker adapters, ABS plastic or wood, reason as to why I'm asking I've heard a few people talking trash about the plastic adapters over wood adapters. Keep up the great work and thanks for knowledge sharing
AFAIK the problem with cheaper plastic adapters is they are flimsy, meaning the sound the speaker makes is lost as the mounting adapter vibrates with it, causing the energy the speaker should be pushing into the air to be reduced, wood adapters are just sturdier and less prone to shaking as the speaker works.
Off the shelf brackets can tend to be more flexible and not as rigid, some are worse than others. When you custom make adapters you can control the quality. Doors are very prone to moisture, you definitely want to use a more stable material like ABS, acrylic, or HDPE.
Thanks for the explanation bro, I really appreciate it
Thanks for the clarity, much appreciated
I just wish Crutchfield were in the UK
So I live in Alabama. Where can I find a car audio fabrication installer to do this type of installation in my 2023 Hyundai Elantra?
Do you have some tricks to fix trim panels that may break one clip or two on removal? Even with the most care, some panel use very small clips that break on removal and can't be replaced and this create crackling. Pretty sure you have do deal with at least a few times...
Buy a bag of replacement ones, or just deal with it, we all break some, and you can have the odd broken one, and even just use silicon glue to keep it in place.
What 3D printer model were you using for this video?
Hi Mark. Fan of your channel. I currently have a 2023 F150 XLT. Want to upgrade speakers first then maybe add amp later. Will the JL Audio C2650 work well with my factory stereo? Later I want to get an amp, but I am thinking of the Kicker Key with automatic tuning DSP. Will that have enough power for the JL Audio C2650?
JL and Kicker are mortal enemies from back in the day. Get a JL amp to run them.
Bigger battery or secondary 🤔 how's it work?
Does this Elantra come with a stock amp that is driving these speakers? Or does it come straight from the head unit?
Head unit power in this case, there is another Bose trim that is amplified, but this one is not.
To be completely honest, just adding in tweeters if you have none, or replacing the tweeters with aftermarket ones makes the biggest difference. An aftermarket radio with stock speakers is going to sound way better than aftermarket speakers powered by a stock radio. Best way to power aftermarket speakers is a powerful aftermarket head unit or better yet, a 4 channel amp in something like 50-100x4 RMS per channel.
I put hertz components in my honda car with a aftermarket deck and the tweeters blew after 6 months and i was told it was because they were being underpowered by the deck and i needed to use a amp on them. So basically never use higher quality component speakers if they are being underpowered. Maybe if my car had a stock amp it would have been less bad. Main thing is the rms of speaker and amp should be close if not higher on the amp side.
03:16 Schepeaker 😄
Do you happen to sell 3d printed pannels?
Does anyone have a link to the foam he installs on the speaker to take up the space between said speaker and door panel?
Just google FAST rings distributed by Stinger
@@melissathompson7229 thanks! 😊
what brand is your 3d printer?
Do you have a shop or recommend a good shop in Michigan or a good area to help me with my subs? I’ve looked through some of your videos and I’m still having a lot of issues. I am still currently learning but the last people I’ve had help me I think just use me for money, and I’m currently stumped
no way youre a subtronics fan i love black ice!!!
If you are running an audio shop, not it's not enough to just replace the speakers. (That's a business aspect). For normal people its perfect. Easier, cheaper, and so on. If you want the best and are in your car a lot, then you probably need a map to maximize the sound. He face says he was just fine with that upgrade.
"...and Rezz."
Me: Mah man!
Wish we could be friends because I know you don’t work on customers cars. Good work.
Please do a video to help us off roaders and boat owners get the most SQ out of our systems !
Any bass from the speakers without the amplifier?
No i just installed… i feel the need to install subwoofer and amplifier for decent bass… just speaker can’t deliver satisfactory audio…
No bass
I do same thing but add all 5 door isolation + spare tire subwoofer connect to rear speakers
So only powering the rear subwoofer with oem power?
Where do you get foam rings?
FAST rings are one brand distributed by Stinger and other companies make different variations as well
Black ice subtronics!!!
Shot horizontally:)
You can use non- copyright music , ex : hanudixit and etc
Of course
My CRV sounds decent with no subs or amps, just C2s off the Kenwood excelon.
Amp and subs in progress now though 😂
whats the use if we cannot listen to the speakers playing music.
What? Probably not practical for you all to come physically listen to this car, that's the only way you would hear it. If you watch on video you are just hearing your phone, headphones, or whatever speakers you are watching with. Not the system we are hearing.
what were his (Brian's) HU EQ settings for Treb/mid/bass and if he had speed sensitive volume set (on/off/low/high)? Did you all test w/the same settings or put everything back to flat (0s)? Sound is different to everyone. I just want to upgrade to the 3ohm Infinity cfx/ix/ex speakers, but my dash speakers have to stay 8ohm due to Subaru Starlink.
I replaced my speakers only on my F-250. They sounded better but nothing to be impressed by. I need an amp!
From my experience it sounded bad. For me car audio is all or nothing. Swapped stock vw polo 2018 speakers by focal integration - nah, then added amp - nah, then swapped by focal flax 3-way + another amp - nothing good. And only when I added a sub + DSP and tuned the thing + time aligned (very important) suddenly all made sense. But at 2500€ :D
Subtronics and rezz !
😢 wanted to hear a before and after.
I went from stock Ford 5x7s to JL C1-570x’s and have NOT been impressed at all. Door panels got sound deadened, foam rings between interior panel and speaker, speaker gaskets etc, and it’s a weaker overall sound. And now the highs are very overpowering too. Sony aftermarket headunit
I swapped all of the speakers in my Yukon to Phoenix Gold components & coaxials, bypassed the factory Bose amp and ran them all off the aftermarket Sony H/U. I kept the stock Bose sub hooked up to the factory amp for now. Sounds much more rich and clear than before and the bass from the stock sub is more defined. It's interesting that there's a difference between car manufacturers who use the same brand for their stock sound systems, because the factory 9 speaker Bose system in my Altima sounds really good, probably one of the best sounding stock systems I've heard. Whereas the Bose systems in the GM cars don't sound great at all.