That 50-110 is the most amazing rifle /cartridge combination for raw power. I'm curious if they allow it in Africa for dangerous game? Love the video. Blessings to you and your family.
FASCINATING!! I’m continually amazed that the 86 action will take this kind of pressure, but I’m actually more amazed that the barrel takes what it does: unless I’m missing something ALL 1886 barrels screw into the receiver the same way… THAT means that the BIGGEST cartridge has the LEAST amount of metal around it…also there is only the tiniest amount of receiver metal between the barrel hole and the mag tube hole…..thanks for the awesome firepower demonstration!!
Hi lever guns. I got to see my nephew Hunter,s 1886 45-70. It is case hardened receiver.and octagon barrel. It is beautiful. I'll bet it shoots very good. I'm glad the new Winchester are good too. My oldest was made in 1898. Still works fine. God bless. I like Henry rifles also. I have 3 Henry rifles. And they are awesome. 😊
That’s an interesting explanation of the physics of how bullet shape effects the impact. I would have thought the exact opposite, that the sharper bullet would have better penetration, but what you said makes more sense, especially against a hard target.
Howdy LeverGuns, THANKS for your response which was as educational as your videos are!! Using the cylinder wall of the S&W 500 was clever and to the point🤠.. I have wondered about slightly increased loads for my 1876’s but measuring that threaded part thickness had me concerned…NOT that I’m gonna load my 50-95 up like the Smitty 500 !!!!!!! Thanks again, you and Cinnabar are the Kings of the Cowboys!
I’m glad you got something out of it, I thought the same as you, but after reading up on it and studying different kinds of metal as long as the metal is the right quality and strength of metal it can be pretty thin and take a a lot of pressure
Hello Leverguns 50 Nice video. Appreciate you making it. Is your rifle an original or is it a modern one? Also, I’ve read about converting certain modern Winchester’s to 50-110… I’d like a 50-110 but I’m not looking for an old original. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
It’s one of the modern reproductions made in Japan, had Montana rifleman, put a new barrel Chromeo steel barrel made for the modern high-pressure rounds you can easily get one for about two grand if you buy the gun assuming that cost about one grand them get it re-barreled
That would be something to run a high speed camera on and get the full visual of punching through that plate. Need to have the Slo Mo guys with the Phantom camera pay your range a visit. 😄
The 50-110 was a jacketed soft lead Bullet made by fury. You’re only supposed to push it to 2200 fps. Because it will over expand. At higher velocity., if you look at the stack, the base of the bullet was that thin jacket, then it had a little lead piece about a quarter of an inch thick and then it had the steel plug from the target
Hollow point verses non hollow point, what else would else you expect? The 45/70 most likely wouldn't have penetrated the 0.5' plate but would have made a better showing.
It’s sounds like the new 500 bushwacker from T2 has the same power as the 50/110 the 500 pushes a 300 gr bullet 3000 fps. I having them make a handi rifle into a bushwacker
It has in the past and I’m sure it will again, they only took it to the north pole, but cartridges for it have been found where the original expedition camped in the south pole
The old terminology for ammo was the caliber, then the grains of powder behind, like 45-70 was 45 caliber with 70 grain of powder behind, 30-30 was 30 caliber with 30 grains of powder behind
It’s a modern 1886 reproduction made in Japan. I would never try those kind of pressures with an original because originals had mild steel barrels. This is a chrome steel barrel made for smokeless powder. It is capable of 50,000psi working pressure
@@sorryociffer There may be some differences, but both Winchester and Browning manufacturing are the same Japanese plant. Both browning and Winchester in modern times replicated the original 1886.
Ok I have to call BS here! I love the 50-110 and have Hi-Walls chambered in 50-110 and even one for 50-140 but this just wasn't fair, obviously a factory 300 Gr. Black powder pressure load vs a 50-110 loaded to who knows what! I know for a FACT that a modern pressure 45/70 will have more punch than an original pressure 50-110! This obviously slanted "apples to oranges" comparison means nothing! Compare an original BP pressure 45/70 to an original BP pressure 50-110 and do this test again, and yeah I know there were later smokeless loads for the '110 but the test should be "apples to apples"! A BP equivalent 45/70 vs a souped up (compared to original factory specs) 50-110 , yeah real fair there! Ok let the flaming begin, I have, load for and shoot both calibers and what I see here is just plain nonsense, look at the muzzle blast on that 45/70 and then check out the muzzle blast on the 50-110 and tell me that's not a "souped up" hand load!
The 45-70 even out of that shorter barrel was going 2150 FPS with a 300 grain bullet, the new production, 1886 Winchester, with chrome alloy steel barrel at 50,000 psi was sending that 300 grain bullet at 2964FP there’s no magic to it just raw power
This video is BS. I’ve shoot both for over 10 years. Not only does 45-70 make higher pressure on some rounds. The 50-110 is a solid round out to 75 yards. Then it’s shit.
This here target was a different brand, I have to look it up but I do know the other Target who-tee-who shot it with a 50 BMG, and it did not go all the way through, so it Hass to be pretty close to AR 500
@@Leverguns50 what bullet was used in the 50BMG and at what range? Just because caliber x did Y does not indicate the steels makeup... if it was an API or AP round with the steel core it's going through the plate...I HIGHLY doubt a 50-100 lead cored jacketed bullet is going to do more than just leave a mark...I am more than capable of going frame by frame and analyzing the hit and the actual diameter of the supposed hole.
I believe it was a 650 grain Winchester full metal jacket, he made a video of it I’m sure you could watch it. I actually but they are 500 after watching his video because I knew it would be safe for the gun I was using, only to find out it wasn’t.
@@Leverguns50 yeah thats even more suspect when a 50 BMG wouldne't penetrate it at 2800-2900 fps and a smaller frontal area but a wide meplate and slower 50-100 does?
Nope BS, your not pining AR500 with a lead core bullet going that slow will penetrate AR500...Especially the way that plate yielded, that's mild steel to be coining like it did.
If what you’re saying was true then the 45-70 would’ve left a crater in mild steel a little over a quarter of an inch deep and a 30 06 will go slap through mild steel, plus if you knew what you’re saying, you would know that leaves huge crater 3/4 of the diameter with large curling of the mild steel where the Bullet enters, I have shot lots of mild Steel so I know what mild Steel looks like anybody that knows about Steele knows that this is a hard and Steele target or it wouldn’t sheer off like it does, if you’re going to say somebody’s lying first go look at what it looks like when you shoot mild Steel then you wouldn’t say what you said. Because the entry hole would tell all that you need to know.
@@Leverguns50 You think your the only one who has shot mild steel? Might I ask if you have a degree in Engineering and material properties? I stand by what I said and am willing to test it myself. if my assertion is correct...the steel used is not AR500...
I have several fans that are and they all agree that is harden steel because of the way it sheared off and I do have done blacksmithing, and I worked as a machinist for 20 years, and we did heat treating making bearing cutters and sawblades for cutting steel
@@Leverguns50 Ok having fans testify DOES NOT present a scientific consensus, glad to hear you have machining background. I just happen to have a hardness tester and am ordering the same steel you used and will test...
Now you mentioned you were able to obtain 2050 feet per second with a 600 grain bullet was that for my 18.5 inch barrel or 22 inch or a 26 inch and what were the pressures
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Not too often you hear the 45-70 described as a “baby cartridge” 😂
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@@Leverguns50if that’s the theory then a normal 270 or 30-06 would be considered a pellet gun 😂
@@jacebrogden3490And then your .22 would be like a 10 year old girl throwing the TIP of a nerf dart at Shaquille O'Neal
50-110… turning cover into concealment…😂
i like that you got straight to the point, no bs or excessive talking. Great video. That round is a beast!
Thank you
I'm just now hearing about this cartridge and very impressed
That 50-110 is the most amazing rifle /cartridge combination for raw power. I'm curious if they allow it in Africa for dangerous game? Love the video. Blessings to you and your family.
Yes, they allow in Africa. Two of my viewers have taken them to Africa one for hunting Cape Buffalo one took a elephant
it's lies
FASCINATING!! I’m continually amazed that the 86 action will take this kind of pressure, but I’m actually more amazed that the barrel takes what it does: unless I’m missing something ALL 1886 barrels screw into the receiver the same way… THAT means that the BIGGEST cartridge has the LEAST amount of metal around it…also there is only the tiniest amount of receiver metal between the barrel hole and the mag tube hole…..thanks for the awesome firepower demonstration!!
Even the threaded part of the barrel is thicker than the cylinder wall on a 500 S&W, which generates much higher pressure
Wow incredible display of raw power. That 50-110 is a war hammer! And to put the cherry 🍒 on top it’s a beautiful lever action rifle!
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I’ve said this a few times before but damn that rifle and caliber are absolutely amazing…
Thank you for the video.
You are welcome
Hi lever guns. I got to see my nephew Hunter,s 1886 45-70. It is case hardened receiver.and octagon barrel. It is beautiful. I'll bet it shoots very good. I'm glad the new Winchester are good too. My oldest was made in 1898. Still works fine. God bless. I like Henry rifles also. I have 3 Henry rifles. And they are awesome. 😊
That rifle is some more impressive and I I do love your videos and bigbore guns. How does the 45-90 do on the 1/2” ar.
Super impressive.
I wanted ta play 45/90 never had a bigger one.
That’s an interesting explanation of the physics of how bullet shape effects the impact. I would have thought the exact opposite, that the sharper bullet would have better penetration, but what you said makes more sense, especially against a hard target.
I’ve tried to pointed bullets at the same speed, and they didn’t penetrate only made a nice little dent
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I've never heard of the 50-110....or the 45-90
These 2.....i have to have! 😮😮😮😮
You seem to have a lot of rare weaponry 😍
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Man I love watching this stuff!! Awesome video man!!!
Glad you enjoyed!
Very impressive, thanks for sharing!
You’re welcome. I’m glad you liked it.
The best channel, love it
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Very interesting video.thank you🙏👍
Praise God lol love these videos man them things are powerful
Howdy LeverGuns, THANKS for your response which was as educational as your videos are!! Using the cylinder wall of the S&W 500 was clever and to the point🤠.. I have wondered about slightly increased loads for my 1876’s but measuring that threaded part thickness had me concerned…NOT that I’m gonna load my 50-95 up like the Smitty 500 !!!!!!! Thanks again, you and Cinnabar are the Kings of the Cowboys!
I’m glad you got something out of it, I thought the same as you, but after reading up on it and studying different kinds of metal as long as the metal is the right quality and strength of metal it can be pretty thin and take a a lot of pressure
Cool round!
Amazing!🤩🤩🤩
Thank you! Cheers!
Some serious punch.
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Hello Leverguns 50
Nice video. Appreciate you making it.
Is your rifle an original or is it a modern one?
Also, I’ve read about converting certain modern Winchester’s to 50-110…
I’d like a 50-110 but I’m not looking for an old original.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
It’s one of the modern reproductions made in Japan, had Montana rifleman, put a new barrel Chromeo steel barrel made for the modern high-pressure rounds you can easily get one for about two grand if you buy the gun assuming that cost about one grand them get it re-barreled
That would be something to run a high speed camera on and get the full visual of punching through that plate. Need to have the Slo Mo guys with the Phantom camera pay your range a visit. 😄
That would be super cool
First I’ve ever heard of the round. I have a Henry 45-70. Kind of curious what would happen to a armor vest plate or an engine block.
Muy bueno tu video saludos desde argentina
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What does the recoil of that 50 feel like? Black and blue shoulder?
The 45/70 was a lead bullet and the 50/110 was a steel bullet. Over course the big round wound pack a heftier punch. Common sense.
The 50-110 was a jacketed soft lead Bullet made by fury. You’re only supposed to push it to 2200 fps. Because it will over expand. At higher velocity., if you look at the stack, the base of the bullet was that thin jacket, then it had a little lead piece about a quarter of an inch thick and then it had the steel plug from the target
Steel bullet😂
@@Leverguns50 you said in the video that it was a steel bullet, I only went from that information.
@@johnwilliamson2276 he can't get his info straight.
It wasn't a steel bullet, ding dong
Hollow point verses non hollow point, what else would else you expect? The 45/70 most likely wouldn't have penetrated the 0.5' plate but would have made a better showing.
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It’s sounds like the new 500 bushwacker from T2 has the same power as the 50/110 the 500 pushes a 300 gr bullet 3000 fps. I having them make a handi rifle into a bushwacker
How's your buddy Wayne doing? I heard he's been at Pops armory in jemison getting some custom work done
I talk to him the other day but we didn’t talk about any new guns
How does it compare to some of the African Big Game Guns? What is the magazine capacity?
capability is 8 +1 it has more power than the 458win mag and the 458 Lott
I thought of 416 Rigsby was a bad around that is incredible
i cant belive this, but it is a cool cal
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The 45-70 didn't have a chance shooting a hollow point bullet. Hollow point?
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Why would they make a 300 grain 45-70 cartridge . Makes zero sense .
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1/2 inch armour AND 16" of geletin...ok then.
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Winning dong 50!
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Would this round work on a polar bear?
It has in the past and I’m sure it will again, they only took it to the north pole, but cartridges for it have been found where the original expedition camped in the south pole
What does the 110 bit of 50/110 mean ?
Apart from very frightened pigs !
The old terminology for ammo was the caliber, then the grains of powder behind, like 45-70 was 45 caliber with 70 grain of powder behind, 30-30 was 30 caliber with 30 grains of powder behind
@@Leverguns50 Thank chap ,
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So if the 45-70 is a govt round then the 50-110 is the antigovt round haha
What model is your 50-110 and is it an original or reproduction?
The title of the video says Winchester 1886 so that is the model of rifle.
It’s a modern 1886 reproduction made in Japan. I would never try those kind of pressures with an original because originals had mild steel barrels. This is a chrome steel barrel made for smokeless powder. It is capable of 50,000psi working pressure
@@Leverguns50 Thanks. Is it a Browning reproduction?
Wanted to know too since I started watching the channel that riffle has been on my list and been wanting to know who makes it or was it rechambered
@@sorryociffer There may be some differences, but both Winchester and Browning manufacturing are the same Japanese plant. Both browning and Winchester in modern times replicated the original 1886.
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What's up?
Either you are completely full of it or the person selling you AR500 saw you coming.
So you don’t think a 300 grain Bullet doing 3000 feet the second will penetrate it?
@@Leverguns50 I know it won't.
The fact that 45-70 dented it shows that it's not even close to AR500 armor plate. Stop trying to mislead people.
@@georgemcarthur488 i’m not misleading anybody 45-70 at close range always puts a slight that you can barely feel mark on it.
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It just punches right through it like a piece of paper
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Ok I have to call BS here! I love the 50-110 and have Hi-Walls chambered in 50-110 and even one for 50-140 but this just wasn't fair, obviously a factory 300 Gr. Black powder pressure load vs a 50-110 loaded to who knows what! I know for a FACT that a modern pressure 45/70 will have more punch than an original pressure 50-110! This obviously slanted "apples to oranges" comparison means nothing! Compare an original BP pressure 45/70 to an original BP pressure 50-110 and do this test again, and yeah I know there were later smokeless loads for the '110 but the test should be "apples to apples"! A BP equivalent 45/70 vs a souped up (compared to original factory specs) 50-110 , yeah real fair there!
Ok let the flaming begin, I have, load for and shoot both calibers and what I see here is just plain nonsense, look at the muzzle blast on that 45/70 and then check out the muzzle blast on the 50-110 and tell me that's not a "souped up" hand load!
The 45-70 even out of that shorter barrel was going 2150 FPS with a 300 grain bullet, the new production, 1886 Winchester, with chrome alloy steel barrel at 50,000 psi was sending that 300 grain bullet at 2964FP there’s no magic to it just raw power
This video is BS. I’ve shoot both for over 10 years. Not only does 45-70 make higher pressure on some rounds. The 50-110 is a solid round out to 75 yards. Then it’s shit.
I was using a 300 bullet going 2960 + fps
also looked up the target you used...made by Champion they "claim" AR500 RATED... its not true AR500 steel...
This here target was a different brand, I have to look it up but I do know the other Target who-tee-who shot it with a 50 BMG, and it did not go all the way through, so it Hass to be pretty close to AR 500
@@Leverguns50 what bullet was used in the 50BMG and at what range? Just because caliber x did Y does not indicate the steels makeup... if it was an API or AP round with the steel core it's going through the plate...I HIGHLY doubt a 50-100 lead cored jacketed bullet is going to do more than just leave a mark...I am more than capable of going frame by frame and analyzing the hit and the actual diameter of the supposed hole.
I believe it was a 650 grain Winchester full metal jacket, he made a video of it I’m sure you could watch it. I actually but they are 500 after watching his video because I knew it would be safe for the gun I was using, only to find out it wasn’t.
@@Leverguns50 yeah thats even more suspect when a 50 BMG wouldne't penetrate it at 2800-2900 fps and a smaller frontal area but a wide meplate and slower 50-100 does?
To start with I said the 50-110 was doing right at 3000 feet a second it’s not slower
Nope BS, your not pining AR500 with a lead core bullet going that slow will penetrate AR500...Especially the way that plate yielded, that's mild steel to be coining like it did.
If what you’re saying was true then the 45-70 would’ve left a crater in mild steel a little over a quarter of an inch deep and a 30 06 will go slap through mild steel, plus if you knew what you’re saying, you would know that leaves huge crater 3/4 of the diameter with large curling of the mild steel where the Bullet enters, I have shot lots of mild Steel so I know what mild Steel looks like anybody that knows about Steele knows that this is a hard and Steele target or it wouldn’t sheer off like it does, if you’re going to say somebody’s lying first go look at what it looks like when you shoot mild Steel then you wouldn’t say what you said. Because the entry hole would tell all that you need to know.
here’s what mild steel looks like when it shot 45-55 Walker vs 45-70 vs 50-110 vs Steel
th-cam.com/video/phmjDKDWj80/w-d-xo.html
@@Leverguns50 You think your the only one who has shot mild steel? Might I ask if you have a degree in Engineering and material properties? I stand by what I said and am willing to test it myself. if my assertion is correct...the steel used is not AR500...
I have several fans that are and they all agree that is harden steel because of the way it sheared off and I do have done blacksmithing, and I worked as a machinist for 20 years, and we did heat treating making bearing cutters and sawblades for cutting steel
@@Leverguns50 Ok having fans testify DOES NOT present a scientific consensus, glad to hear you have machining background. I just happen to have a hardness tester and am ordering the same steel you used and will test...
Now you mentioned you were able to obtain 2050 feet per second with a 600 grain bullet was that for my 18.5 inch barrel or 22 inch or a 26 inch and what were the pressures
It was from a 26 inch barrel, depressions were pretty close to max with that powder
I know Elmer Keith always used to use 3031 for the 4570 and I believe the 4:58 Winchester magnum
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