Rifled slugs with a RIFLED CHOKE | 100 yard accuracy test | Stoeger M3500 12 gauge
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- Testing rifled slugs through my Stoeger M3500 with a RIFLED CHOKE for accuracy! 100 Yard groups, and some INCREDIBLE results!
Rifled slugs have been used for decades to take game across North America, and are widely regarded as "close range" tools. This accuracy test surprised me with just well these shells can group at 100 yards!
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Good show and to the point. No excessive jibber jabber.
Michael Herrell
You are an excellent shot.........especially with that Federal 2 3/4 inch load. Wouldn't hesitate to take that on a deer hunt, maybe out to 125 yards or so. Thanks.
Winchester made a sabot slug with the highest muzzle velocity at the time. I tried sighting my gun with them and the recoil was ridiculous. The pump action on the 1300 is designed to open upon firing making for quicker follow up shots but you still had to manually finish the pump action to eject a shell. With these slugs the recoil was so powerful the gun would eject the shell without me touching the pump. After several mule kicks to the shoulder I realized my scope was moving. I superglued the scope to to mounts tighten everything as much as possible but it made no difference. I had good luck hunting with less powerful rounds but wish I had never bought it. The price for the shells is ridiculous. My state made straight wall cartridges legal for shotgun zone and I hunt with a CVA Scout 350 legend. The recoil is next to nothing and it’s extremely accurate.
Excellent Video!!! I learned a lot about a rifled choke tube from Carlsons. Thank you!
Excellent video! Those were some impressive groups. I was considering the Carlson's rifled choke and it seems its worth getting. Thanks
This is exactly what I was looking for. It just came up. Now I don't really have to spend the energy with those 3in. Thanks!
Nice job on this video review! I too have found that lower-velocity 12 GA slugs shoot better than faster ones! Even the Winchester one oz loads at 1600 FPS in 2 3/4 are more accurate than faster-rated slugs! My 12 GA JC Higgins Model 20 pump shoots sub two-inch groups at 50 yards even with low-velocity FIOCCHI 12 GA slugs. Most deer here in the Northeast are killed under 50 yards, but I've found that sighting one to two inches high at 50 yards makes it easier to hit at 75 yards as well. thanks for sharing!
That was an excellent video. Thanks for being methodical!
Thank you for watching!
i’m a old timer now, it’s hard to believe i’m saying that since i’ve been predominantly young all my life but i’ve had the same experience w/Federal 2.75 slugs. Consistently very good accuracy. Even out of a 1953 Win mod 12 16ga. also a 1984 Mossberg 500 with a slug barrel. No problems.
Great video. Very precise. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. I would have liked to see what the groups were like with the cylinder bore or I/C choke to compare the difference in accuracy. But it sure seems like it would be a huge improvement. Thanks for a fine demonstration.
Thanks, Lee. Much appreciated review. Test for these two shells was well done. Refreshing. Sorry about your shoulder. Bench Rest 12 ga hurts. Hard to compress tightly. Thunder Ranch
You ain’t kidding! I’m glad somebody’s appreciating it.
Great video and info
Good effort! I have been trying to emulate that off and on for some time and with my own hand loads and so far have not got close to those Federal groups. I guess I will just keep trying. They seem to be a pretty fickle beast at times.
Look out fly!!
Great video!
I was lucky enough to find a cantilever barrel for my discontinued gun, browning gold hunter 12g, it came in yesterday and also bought a bushnell 3-9x40mm rifle scope, more happier then ever, also have a smoothbore ironsight imp cyl bore, slinging federal foster slug
I’d suggest holding down the forend into a sandbag when you zero. With the long barrel time, the recoil throws the slug high. When you hunt and you’re holding the gun with your left hand you’ll likely shoot lower than your zero because the recoil isn’t lifting your muzzle. Just my two cents.
Excellent test, very methodical and well thought out! I get excited if I get a group like that with a rifle (I'm still learning). Would you consider doing a video comparison - conventional rifled shotgun barrel (slug barrel) with rifled slugs vs. sabot VS regular shotgun (modified choke is what they usually recommend for rifled slugs)? We already know your results with a rifled choke. I wonder if the rifled choke is BETTER than sabots from rifled barrel. Sabot shells are stupid expensive, plus the cost/hassle of the extra barrel. A rifled choke is so much easier. The only potential advantage I see of a dedicated slug barrel is that the sights stay with it, so it stays zeroed. I had lousy results when I tried various sabot slugs through my rifled barrel. Thank you in advance.
Maybe one day. I don’t have the rifled barrel for this shotgun. They are pretty pricey! I’m sure across the board you’d get tighter groups with rifled barrel and sabots. But this rifled slug group was incredible!
Overall, I echo many of the positive comments already posted. I’d like to place emphasis on your concise presentation. What a refreshing video to watch. Thank You!!!
Thanks for watching!
You are welcome. I’ve subscribed and look forward to additional content!
Thank you for demo. Winchester didn't look to promising. But Federal looks really good.
And lucky for us it’s one of the least expensive slugs out there! Thanks for watching!
@@Leehealy-wheninthewoods When in Indiana, years ago, I hunted with 12ga. Foster slugs on occasion. Sluggers did quite well out to 100, Breneke did as well as slugger. But Federal "True Ball"(I think) were very consistent. Winchester was inconsistent in my 870s & Mossberg 590. Some boxes would be acceptable while others would spread out in every direction. One year I shot 10 shots of a 15 pack at a 4" target in the middle of a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper and only 8 shots were on paper. I went and bought Sluggers and grouped fine.
At 50 yards they weren't as dramatic of a spread. I even harvested some deer with both Win. & Rem. All under 100 yards.
@@guardianminifarm8005 I grew up in Michigan in the shotgun zones and hunted with slugs for a long time. Brenneke tko became my favorites after a while but federal was a good standby and easier to find. We used IC chokes and bird barrels tho! EventuaLLY I got a smooth barrel with rifled sights and took many deer with it. Slugs still have a place in my deer season. It just feels like home haha
I've honestly never had any good groups from 3in even with a fully rifled barrel. Hornady 2 3/4 Sst were by far the best. Then I bought a Harrington Richards Slugger in 20ga. Tack driver and little more speed.
Nice slug groups .
pretty obvious which slug I would choose
The 3in rifled slug has virtually ZERO advantage over the 2 3/4in shell. Once you start pushing that slug over maybe 1500fps, it starts tumbling and accuracy goes straight to shit, not to mention the recoil is absolutely punishing.
Slower shots normally perform better than crazy speedy once.
Having said that, I only go for 3” if they’re heavier slugs.
I experienced that when sighted in my mossberg 535 . I couldn’t group anything less than 3” until I settled to a heavier 375, 385 grains . That was Winchester dual bond which are hard to come by now.
Even with rifled slugs, I tested them last season as a back up gun, the heavier slower rifled slugs, the better results I got. Hornady was a waste of money for both sabot, and rifled slugs
Maybe at 100 and paper. In a tree stand and 25 yards away. 2 3/4 and 3 is the difference between deer and elk.
P.s. yes of you go to 3 for velocity advantage and not weight.
@GWMJRSmith
Could very well be true since I've not had that experience, but man....I have a hard time believing a 12ga slug, 2.75 or 3in, would have ANY trouble dropping an elk, particularly at ranges as close as 25yds. Maybe 3in for more penetration? Anyway, if you can hit your target and stand the recoil, go for it.
Great vid. As said below: "No jibber/jabber" . Never understood a "longer" case slug: Free bore?...
hard to beat that accuracy at a hundred
Such slugs seems to jaw a lot regardless of smooth or riffled barrel used. I think they are just statically stable as they fly but not dynamically. Jaw angles progressively increase with range and you may expect key-hole phenomena on targets 200 yards or so away.
At 200 yards, Foster slugs have lost a lot of velocity (and energy) and have dropped pretty far from a 100 yard zero. I don't have the numbers right now, but it is enough to keep me from trying a 200 yard shot with Foster slugs.
I can never understand why any one would change their point of aim. You can not hold to the same exact point of aim. You need a focus point. If you are sighted in at 50 yards and shoot at the same point of aim at 100yards then you know exactly how much elevation will be needed to hit bullseye at 100 yards. Only makes sense.
nice, i am certain you can tighten up those groups if you ditch the scope and get some clamp on iron sights that are both mounted on the vent rib, scopes do not work well when mounted to the receiver of a shotgun with a removable barrel. there IS movement between the barrel and the receiver. i spent a lot of time with slugs on the range the past few years and going to iron sights both mounted on the same surface made the biggest difference out of everything i tinkered with. on my mossberg 500 20" barrel i get one hole groups at 50 with winchester 2 3/4 slugs and a older model winchester rifled choke. i bought a bunch of brands and lengths of rifled chokes and only kept that one winchester brand choke.
That’s great info! A cantilevered barrel and scope mount would be awesome for this gun, but they are pretty pricey!
I have some vent rib sights I might be able to dig up and try one day!
Great video ! I have done this test on my Remington 870 28" smoothbore with the same Carlson Rifled Choke. My best result was with the Winchester Super-X, 2" 3/4, 1 oz slugs.
The 3" Super-X was good , also the Federal 2" 3/4 1 Oz Truball was good too.
Very nice!
Hey man awesome video, was wondering what barrel you have in your gun? Looks like it isn’t the stock one, also which choke are you using ?
24” stoeger m3500 smooth bore. And a carlsons rifled choke.
5 shot group is more telling. Nice video.
so rifled chokes are legit then.
5:59 You couldn't even budge a fly!!! LMFAO
On the 100 yard shot with the 2-3/4. Did you hold on the bullseye or aim higher? If so, how much higher??? It was very impressive shooting.
I did aim higher. I used a hash mark as a reference to get it close. Was probably 6-8” higher than at 50.
It would have been nice to see an equal comparisons. shooting at 2 3/4. 1 oz federal VS a 3 inch. I 1/4 oz win believe there are 1 1/4 oz You're gonna have more recoil because you have more powder. Pushing a heavier weight
Well I’m totally surprised. Was expecting 1 foot groups at 50 yards.
So was I!
I find that the 20gauge slugs group better than any other gauges,
I’ll give them a try this year then!
Thats verry impressive at 100 yards!
How do the Federals do with out the rifled choke tube?
They aren’t that good, but they still manage 6-7” groups at 100 for me. I will have more slug tests up later this summer!
You might be right, I’ve shot them in the past out of smooth bore chokes and wasn’t impressed but I may try them again! I just had some rifled slugs loaded by salt creek custom ammo…I’m excited to get them out for a test run!
Always liked a Federal slug
At 5:58 you land a round next to a fly on the target. Despite the 1oz chunk of supersonic lead punching through the stuff he's standing on, he doesn't fly off!
Missed him by that much 😂
Your results are outstanding! Buffalo's Outdoors did a similar test a few years ago. With the same Federal slugs, he got a 3/4" group at 50 yards. He didn't try 100.
I have tried Foster slugs in my Mossberg 500 with rifled barrel. So far, results have been disappointing. I have some Brenneke KOs to try next.
I’ve used the brenneke in other guns but not this one and they typically shoot better than fosters. I haven’t used them with a rifled barrel. You might be better off with a sabot slug.
@@Leehealy-wheninthewoods Yes, sabots are right for a rifled barrel. They are just so expensive I'm looking for something that costs less that might shoot OK. Also, I can't find the sabot slugs I like best for my gun.
I have a 535 with the 28in smooth barrel. I zeroed it in fairly decent with those 2 3/4. With the hold points in my optics I'm good out to 100.
Was thinking about trying the 3in and now I don't really have to.
Muito obrigado pelo video, graças a você, eu comprei um choke igual ao seu, mas no Brasil não temos slug igual esses, poderia abrir um cartucho para nós mostrar como é montado por favor?
desculpe, não falo português, mas usei o google tradutor. não tenho vídeo sobre como recarregar slugs. pode haver alguns em outros canais.
Great job and a fair test perhaps on another shotgun the results could be reversed, why it is so important to test slugs and to use a Baseline always of a clean barrel so the tests are uniform. Thankyou, you have a great shotgun there for hunting game. I would not want to get hit with something with that many foot pounds , even large feral hogs would be brought down.
Thank you!
Some states don't allow rifled chokes. Must use fully rifled with iron adjustable sights no beads
That's crazy.
Which states?
Which States?
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You lucky skunk! My M3500 prints 6"+ groups at 100 with the same rifled choke tube and same ammo. I tried all sorts of fosters and even sabots and nothing grouped well at 100 yards.
Wish, yikes! Using the same barrel? I’d be double checking the scope mounts and rings. 6” isn’t unusable but it’s pretty open.
Do you have another vid using sabots through the choke tube?!!
I have not tried sabots through it yet.
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I always have much better groups with Federal Slugs and Federal Premium Rifle Ammo !
How much drop did the Federal 23/4 slugs have at 100 yards with 50 yard sight in?
About 10”, every shotgun will be a little different though.
@@Leehealy-wheninthewoods Thanks for the reply. Subscribed!
@@johngoodman9380 thanks for watching! Hope you enjoy the channel.
HAVE A QUESTION: THE RIFLED CHOKE IS THE SAME FULL CHOKE BUT RIFLED..?
No, this choke is meant to only shoot slugs and is not the same as a constricted choke.
I have a M3000 Stoeger and I’m looking for a rifle choke for it but can’t find anything which one are you using
Carlsons rifled choke
I looked on Carlson web but couldn’t find any for Stoeger
@ar15onaoutdooradventures46 it’s the berr/Ben choke pattern. Check the thread pattern compatibility chart for your model.
Thanks I found it
@ar15onaoutdooradventures46 great!
Incredible , what rifled choke do you use?
Carlsons rifled choke
Very nice
hows the trigger on your 3500? mine is super heavy and thinking about getting a trigger job done on it.
This definitely isn’t a high dollar rifle trigger, but it’s not a Glock trigger either. I have been able to manage the creep and find a good break at the end. I won’t mess with mine but I’ve heard horror stories.
It was two through the same hole.
Have you tried sabots with the same setup?
I have not
@@Leehealy-wheninthewoodsthat would be awesome if you made a video with sabots. I’d like to see the grouping. I live and hunt in Japan and we mostly hunt with slugs here. Some of the guys here are using savage 212 turkey models with Carlson rifled chokes. Some of the guys say they have better groups than with a rifled barrel.
@Robert-no9jk that would be an interesting comparison for sure. Might have to try it.
You did great … One thing I know of you're using centimeters not inches please check the roller you used !!!Thanks 👌
No, he isn't using a metric ruler.
I also initially thought that the groups seemed smaller than the sizes he noted them to be but he was measuring from outside edge to outside edge, not center-to-center. And when you realize that the holes are jagged and over 3/4 " in diameter, his stated group sizes correspond to Imperial (inches), and not to Metric (Centimeters).
Yup, thanks for clarifying!
Why use rifled slug in rifled choke tube?
In this case it made them more accurate
Is that a Extended rifled choke ?
Yes, by carlsons.
Have you taken any deer with this setup?
Yup last year I took a nice doe at 40yd. Video is in last years hunting series on my channel.
What scope are you using looking for a good reliable scope for my shotgun
@@adamspaur6146 most rifle scopes will work with a shotguns recoil, especially semi auto. I also use a red dot frequently. The scope in this video is a vortex copperhead.
I'll make you something better, Mike.
Let’s do it!
For a real accuracy test you should have the gun in a bench vise rest to avoid inconsistency. All your wiggling and readjusting between shots just drove me nuts. Also you should have tested with sabot slugs. I've seen people cloverleaf 5 shots in a 3/4"group at 50 yards using a rifled screw in choke.