Love how Maul has a large ship that he can walk around in, carries a speeder, stealth capability and hyperdrive Vader on the other hand says "Just give me a small ship with a hyperdrive to get me from A to B, the Executor has everything else I need" Gotta love a man with simple tastes
I suppose he’d just commandeer a Raider corvette if he wanted something between his TIE/a and the Executor or Devastator. Thinking more on it, I wonder what became of the Resolute after the Clone Wars?
@Destiny my point was the type of ship he uses to get from point A to B He knows he doesn't need anything else, but on the off chance he does, then he has the Executor as a backup plan
When i was younger i thought the tie Boarding we see in Empire Strikes black was Vader tie Advanced, i assumed Vader used to go to see the imperial Guy he choke, so I thought Tie Advanced was in two movies. Thanks to this Chanel I know there two differents ships, each ship we just see in One movie. (In the exact way of Imperial Bomber that we only see in Strikes back or the interceptor only un Revengance.)
I like the sorta backwards history of this. Vader was meant to fly a TIE that looked just like the others, but they changed it so we knew who was who. However, in the prequels, Anakin would fly a fighter that looked exactly like all the other Jedi fighters, just a different color, which they themselves are an "inspired by" version of a TIE fighter with their bubble cockpit and hexagon windscreen.
I bet during his Jedi time, he only changed the color, because wasn't allowed to modify his ships (as how he did during 2003 Clone Wars series) but I bet, he would, as you see again in that 2003 series and this Tie Advance But he just changed the colors, exactly as how he changed his outfit colors
@@mewtwo.150 each jedi had a custom color and during the republic Era for there fighter. When he became Vader before he got a custom TIE and any were available the Imperial Navy gave him the final model Jedi Starfighter painted black now called a sith Starfighter. His opinion on the fighter apprently soured because his bulky exosuit didn't fit well in the tiny cockpit.
Reminds me of how the Super Star Destroyer came to be. The producers on The Empire Strikes Back wanted Vader's star destroyer to just be the standard ISD model painted blue, but that would mean they'd have to redo all the lights for the model, plus they wouldn't have the standard grey star destroyer model for additional shots. So ILM convinced the producers to let them build an entirely new ship, which became the Executor.
@@DiggitySlice as stated, if they painted it/modified it, they would be completely SOL on any reshoots and would either have to remake a new one, or reverse all modifications (and potentially revert back to the Blue one for reshoots, too) whereas a new ship wouldn’t be nearly as restrictive or time consuming. Time is money. If you go over schedule, then you go over budget. Plain and simple. And having to revert back to the original would not only be time consuming and potentially harmful to the prop, they’ve be having to do so on short notice (reshoots) which would delay all production associated with that prop. That’s effectively like going Line Down in a production scenario, the cardinal rule of do’s and don’ts. Money is a factor, but not the only factor. Time, however, trumps all.
@@sleeplessknight99 it's been 34 years, & they are still using pretty much the same equipment, & discount Darth Vader flies what is pretty much a glorified prototype that has been 1 step away from mass production for 34 years. can you imagine the effect of seeing a whole fleet of TIE Advanced on screen in the bay of the Finalizer?
Huh. So I wonder if that red decal on Vader's regular TIE Fighter from that picture was the inspiration for the red slashes on the wings of the TIE Interceptors used by the 181st Fighter Group in Legends material.
At 3:08 I really like that concept art of Darth Vader's tie fighter that guy was holding in his hand look kind of like some sort of sports car or something
Fun Fact: That "Earlier Design" at 2:35 is actually pretty similiar to what the Scimitar Assault Bomber looks like for the Empire, first introduced in the Thrawn Trilogy!
I always suspected that Vader’s advanced TIE had been a late change, and that it and the boarding craft and bomber had some design cues in common, but I didn’t realize how late the design was or that earlier footage had put restraints on the final model. This is also the first time I’ve seen the earliest boarding craft design, which seems to have been carried over to the Al Williamson stint on the first marvel comics run and the comic strip in his depictions ofvthe Bomber. The TIE cockpit window blooper still gets me every time tho.
@@5peciesunkn0wn the TIE filming miniatures have their cockpit windows oriented with ‘points’ of the octagon oriented up-down/right-left with the interior shots showing the cockpit window oriented with the sides of the octagon in the up-down/left-right directions.
Honestly it would've been a lot more impressive if the final Vader's personal and boarding craft wing designs were flipped, giving Vader an X-shaped vehicle to mirror Luke's.
Shame you didn't mention its legacy with the likes of the TIE Avenger from TIE Fighter and even the confusing lore state on how there are a lot of mass produced TIE Advanced x1's in the X-Wing video game.
Can confirm that expanded 365 book is a great reference. Used the pictures for Vaders medical chamber as inspiration for the 3D modeler that recreated a medical chamber in a certain fan film ;)
4:06 Hmm, maybe this is the reason why on the Lego TIE Bomber (set 75347), you're able to swing the solar panels outward to achieve the same shape as the TIE Shuttle mentioned here. It could have been a coincidence, but it's nice knowing that you are easily able to switch between 2 different TIE spacecraft.
This is so cool! 2:35 that even earlier design looks like it was re-used as Cydon Prax's dreadnought battle tank in the GCN Clone Wars game! That game used so many concept designs that didn't make it into the films and turned them into real vehicles.
From a certain point of view, the ARC-170 is kinda like a heavy fighter/bomber version of the Z-95 Headhunter, which is the X-wing's predecessor. It definitely belongs to the same family. In Legends, there were many different post-Endor X-wing variants, but they were mostly just upgraded versions of the original one.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 Yes, but the Stealth-X has specific systems that can only be used by what is essentially a being with some certain godlike abilities and reflexes, and as in the case for Star Wars, those are only given to Force sensitives. Makes me extremely envious and also willing to prove them oh so wrong with me wanting anti-Force sensitive operatives in the far future, that imbalance.
Not your normal kind of video, but I'm here for it. Wonder if maybe the miniature game could use this as an excuse to release a pilot expansion with Darth Vader in a normal TIE.
I love how not only is recycling and repurposing concept art is a Star Wars tradition, it is literally as old as Star Wars. First movie, they're already doing it. In that same vein, the early TIE boarding craft design at 2:35 sure looks like it was the inspiration for the Scimitar assault bomber in the EU.
I was an original '77 Star Wars kid and never knew any of this! Certainly not Vader's TIE originally being identical with a red decal. It never stops astonishing me what they managed with the first movie.
A solid black TIE/LN for Vader while the Storm Troopers (well TIE pilots) fly Light Grey would have been interesting, and probably what happened in universe before the Advanced X1
that actually is cool. it's fascinating thinking about so much footage already being done and they're still making new models and trying to match the cockpits
I just don’t know why the ship designs in Star Wars are all so intriguing and memorable. They all have such unique looks coupled with intentional functionality. Other franchises have great designs (like those in the OG Battlestar Galactica) but Star Wars ship design just hits me on some deep visceral level.
0:09 I see that squadrons flight yoke snuck in the interior there. I like the 2 additional screens squadrons introduced. The current on screen cockpit Disney uses only has a targeting computer. No instruments, foot pedals or anything. In Andor they have to make buttons up for them to press to start it up.
@@Angelos_K yes but the squadrons flight yoke is different from both the original trilogy set and the disney era set. The Star Wars Rebels cockpit is pretty cool because it combines the original trilogy exterior and interior.
I always assumed the bent and backward swept wings of the TIE Advanced were taking design cues from Vader's helmet. There's certainly a visual connection there that makes the ship easy to recognize and identify, even if it was unintentional.
So I'm one of those weirdos who instead of wanting to see more of the TIE Defender in new Canon, I want to see more of the TIE Advanced, and who thinks we should get the Avenger recanonized.
I know you don't do a lot of costume/armour stuff but I'd love to know where the original rebel helmet designs came from, and even hear some fanon ideas on why the rebels would choose their iconic open-face designs over ones that would protect them in a vacuum.
I always felt it was just a matter of showing who are the good guys (who are human beings with faces we can see) and who are the bad guys (who have no faces, thus no souls).
3:07 I'd love to see your take on this design for an early prototype TIE Advanced. If Vader flies an X1, perhaps there was a previous XX or X0 model that was its precursor, or perhaps even a parallel developmental prototype. Properly rendered in glorious 3D modeling of course.
In addition to the Inquisitor's TIE Advanced there is also a TIE Advanced type 2 called the TIE Avenger which is the mass production version of the TIE Advanced that was featured in the TIE fighter computer flight sim games from the 90's. Ultimately, the TIE Avenger wouldn't actually see much use in the Empire because the admiral in charge of the whole thing went rogue and tried to defect to the Rebels. It didn't turn out well for him. The design of the TIE Avenger would ultimately see a second life as the Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer in the Disney films.
@@originalmin Never watched Rebels. The head bobbing and chin wobble whenever there was character dialogue made me throw up in my mouth. Also the TIE V1 looks to have a really uninteresting silhouette. It just looks like a regular TIE with slightly rounded wing panels mashed with the back half of Darth Maul's Sith Infiltrator.
@@sleeplessknight99 I really just want to hear EC's storytelling ability. The pre-production prototype film models look really distinctive, and they would look awesome in full detail 3D render.
It looks as if, besides the red pentagon insignia on Vader's standard TIE, the hull was also darker. Grey as was his TIE Advanced vice the eggshell white of his wingmates.
I have no proof this was done, I make 1:144 miniature models of star wars ships from bandi, I wanted a tie Interceptor but they do not make a model. I found that I could take a Vader tie wings and a few easy cuts changes them into tie interceptor wings and just glue them on a tie cockpit backward, to make the interceptor. It worked so well I was wondering if they reused molds for the Tie Advanced wings to make the Tie Interceptor wings. The tie bomber / boarder wings are exact match so it would not be too far to figure there was some reuse of work. Considering being the bad guys ships in the film the TIE series would need to visit with pyrotechnics more often, thus easy to replace models makes some sense.
I remember playing Tie Fighter back in the mid 90s. Vader's fighter was equipped with deflector screens and a hyperdrive. That allowed him to survive the impact that threw him from the trench and the hyperdrive allowed him to get back to an empire base or ship. Otherwise he'd have had to emit a distress call and probably would have been picked up by the rebels (even though he would have put up quite a fight being a Sith Lord 😄)
Awesome stuff! The TIE Boarding Craft had me for ages now. In the Incredible Cross Sections book from 1998, The TIE boardingcraft is mentioned on both the Blockade Runner and Star Destroyer pages. There's even a picture of the Star Destroyer hanger with the Tantive IV docked and a very large TIE BOMBER in the hanger with a large group of storm troopers and rebel prisoners walking out of it. I did some digging but never saw this vehicle mentioned anywhere until now - Makes perfect sense!
I dunno. EU always accepted far more bizzare and minor sources. Don't see why a TIE Boarding craft couldn't exist with a similar design to the bomber. Weird it was just forgotten. A re-design could have been cool to see to differentiate it from the bomber.
Very, very cool! Hard to imagine Star Wars with Vader's ship just being a normal TIE. Though I think it makes the finale, where the other TIE hits him and he flies off, make a bit more sense. If the wings are bigger, it's easier to hit and a bit more ungainly.
Somehow a “ Tri-Fighter” found its way into something , I forget where I saw it ... but it had 3 blades and looked pretty dang menacing. It was probably ep 7,8, or 9; I was so unimpressed by most of that I can’t even remember the story. Bot I DO remember this Gorilla At-Ats. And bleeding sand.
It's always interesting seeing these behind the scenes development videos. I also wonder if that red marking partly inspired the red livery of Baron Soontir Fel and his squadron in Legends.
Paul Hirsch one of the editors came up with the idea of Vader flying a different TIE when he noticed he could always tell Lucas was already in the building where they edited when he saw his car outside.
The interconnected design features all make sense in-universe as well. Look at Terran military equipment in the last 100 years - a great example is that the Allies in World War II repurposed the basic M4 Sherman tank design into a tank destroyer, mine clearance vehicle, flamethrower, amphibious gun tank, anti-aircraft vehicle, armoured personnel carrier, multiple rocket launcher system, armoured assault tank, and more. Yet even when equipped with rocket rails, uparmoured hull, flotation screens, mine-roller, etc. you could look at the basic vehicle and tell instantly it was based on the Sherman.
I love how the ship design and cinematography challenges come together to create these things, it reminds me of another property heavily inspired by Star Wars, Mobile Suit Gundam. The main antagonist Char has a robot that is similarly slightly different from his soldiers in that it’s painted a salmon color with an antenna to differentiate from the green egg headed regular troops
I'm playing through one of the original iterations of Tie Fighter (circa ~ 1994), and deeply love the Tie Advanced. Thankfully I get to fly it in the game.
The best thing about how they used Vader's TIE is that the film never showed Vader boarding his fighter, or even mentioning that the vessel was his, you just KNEW that it was Vader's ship.
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Love how Maul has a large ship that he can walk around in, carries a speeder, stealth capability and hyperdrive
Vader on the other hand says
"Just give me a small ship with a hyperdrive to get me from A to B, the Executor has everything else I need"
Gotta love a man with simple tastes
I suppose he’d just commandeer a Raider corvette if he wanted something between his TIE/a and the Executor or Devastator.
Thinking more on it, I wonder what became of the Resolute after the Clone Wars?
Maul had a different mission. He was working in the shadows alone and needed more for his individual ship.
@Destiny my point was the type of ship he uses to get from point A to B
He knows he doesn't need anything else, but on the off chance he does, then he has the Executor as a backup plan
Maul didn't have a giant space station to hang around on!
You could argue that Maul's tastes were quite a bit simpler - he didn't have a super star destroyer too!
The fact the TIE Advanced was in only one movie always breaks my heart.
When i was younger i thought the tie Boarding we see in Empire Strikes black was Vader tie Advanced, i assumed Vader used to go to see the imperial Guy he choke, so I thought Tie Advanced was in two movies.
Thanks to this Chanel I know there two differents ships, each ship we just see in One movie. (In the exact way of Imperial Bomber that we only see in Strikes back or the interceptor only un Revengance.)
It was supposed to be a prototype, which are always unique.
Really? I could've sworn there were a few onscreen at the Battle of Endor.
@@were-owlinwisconsin4441 nope, those were interceptors.
@@were-owlinwisconsin4441 me too
The wealth of information that is out there yet I am still unfamiliar with is a huge reason I love star wars
Me too! There's an incredible depth and density to all things Star Wars; it's amazing how much there is to learn!
@@ECHenry There is a high volume of Star Wars behind-the-scenes informational books out there. So interesting to discover this information.
@@ECHenry It's so dense, every single image has so much going on
@@WatchVidsMakeListsfxck you Rick Berman. You ruined this too?
It's honestly why I love cinema my favorite star wars is episode 4 that flim obviously is most unique and by far the best villan grand moff Tarkin
I like the sorta backwards history of this. Vader was meant to fly a TIE that looked just like the others, but they changed it so we knew who was who. However, in the prequels, Anakin would fly a fighter that looked exactly like all the other Jedi fighters, just a different color, which they themselves are an "inspired by" version of a TIE fighter with their bubble cockpit and hexagon windscreen.
Go back further and little Ani was "Flying" a fighter that looked EXACTLY like the others on screen.
I bet during his Jedi time, he only changed the color, because wasn't allowed to modify his ships (as how he did during 2003 Clone Wars series) but I bet, he would, as you see again in that 2003 series and this Tie Advance
But he just changed the colors, exactly as how he changed his outfit colors
@@mewtwo.150 each jedi had a custom color and during the republic Era for there fighter. When he became Vader before he got a custom TIE and any were available the Imperial Navy gave him the final model Jedi Starfighter painted black now called a sith Starfighter. His opinion on the fighter apprently soured because his bulky exosuit didn't fit well in the tiny cockpit.
technically, we were supposed to see the jedi starfighters as the ancestor of the TIE design. but your point is well said.
Reminds me of how the Super Star Destroyer came to be. The producers on The Empire Strikes Back wanted Vader's star destroyer to just be the standard ISD model painted blue, but that would mean they'd have to redo all the lights for the model, plus they wouldn't have the standard grey star destroyer model for additional shots. So ILM convinced the producers to let them build an entirely new ship, which became the Executor.
They convinced the producers that building an entirely new model was more efficient than repurposing an old one? Damn I want them as my lawyer.
@@DiggitySlice as stated, if they painted it/modified it, they would be completely SOL on any reshoots and would either have to remake a new one, or reverse all modifications (and potentially revert back to the Blue one for reshoots, too) whereas a new ship wouldn’t be nearly as restrictive or time consuming.
Time is money. If you go over schedule, then you go over budget. Plain and simple. And having to revert back to the original would not only be time consuming and potentially harmful to the prop, they’ve be having to do so on short notice (reshoots) which would delay all production associated with that prop. That’s effectively like going Line Down in a production scenario, the cardinal rule of do’s and don’ts.
Money is a factor, but not the only factor. Time, however, trumps all.
Always a treat when EC does behind the scenes content❤
It’s a treat when he does any content
Especially Star Wars content. Quality over quantity.
Indeed
That was "wild" but very cool :)
the fact that neither the TIE Advanced nor the TIE defender influenced the First Order's TIE Fighters breaks my heart.
Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer in the Disney films is basically the TIE Advanced type 2 (aka TIE Avenger)
@@sleeplessknight99 it's been 34 years, & they are still using pretty much the same equipment, & discount Darth Vader flies what is pretty much a glorified prototype that has been 1 step away from mass production for 34 years.
can you imagine the effect of seeing a whole fleet of TIE Advanced on screen in the bay of the Finalizer?
I've always been intrigued by the idea of the TIE boarding craft, and I'm glad Rogue One and Andor have given us onscreen examples now.
It was reused in the second film as the TIE Bomber and TIE Shuttle
No shit, sherlock.
I can't express how glad I am with the updates on this channel
One thing I love about the SW universe is the almost archeological zeal we shipnerds have about how ships evolve.
We're all just a bunch of custodial library droids who anakin armed as a side project
I didn't realize there was a TIE shuttle. I always thought Captain Needa was aboard a TIE bomber. Couldn't tell the wings were inverted in that shot.
Huh. So I wonder if that red decal on Vader's regular TIE Fighter from that picture was the inspiration for the red slashes on the wings of the TIE Interceptors used by the 181st Fighter Group in Legends material.
I love that original design for the rebel helmets, before they made them open faced
The Star Wars Technical Journal denoted it as the 'TIE Interceptor Prototype'.
At 3:08 I really like that concept art of Darth Vader's tie fighter that guy was holding in his hand look kind of like some sort of sports car or something
Fun Fact: That "Earlier Design" at 2:35 is actually pretty similiar to what the Scimitar Assault Bomber looks like for the Empire, first introduced in the Thrawn Trilogy!
Nice! I always saw that "backwards" version of the Tie in the "making of Star Wars" book, but could never find anyone talking about it
Love that behind the scenes look and how it affected the final product!
I always liked the Tie Advanced - a befitting variant for the dark lord =)
It's always a great day when EC Henry uploads a video.
I would kill to see the first bent wing prototype as a full 3d model made by you. All the obscure ship designs you've done are always so cool!
Same! I was surprisingly disappointed when I didn't see "the original TIE-Advanced x1" with its own lore segment!
2:35 that earlier design looks a lot like a TIE Scimitar.
Probably directly inspired it.
I'm glad they changed it, the Tie Advanced is a classic and let's be honest a read decal wouldn't have worked just aswell.
I always suspected that Vader’s advanced TIE had been a late change, and that it and the boarding craft and bomber had some design cues in common, but I didn’t realize how late the design was or that earlier footage had put restraints on the final model. This is also the first time I’ve seen the earliest boarding craft design, which seems to have been carried over to the Al Williamson stint on the first marvel comics run and the comic strip in his depictions ofvthe Bomber.
The TIE cockpit window blooper still gets me every time tho.
window blooper?
@@5peciesunkn0wn the TIE filming miniatures have their cockpit windows oriented with ‘points’ of the octagon oriented up-down/right-left with the interior shots showing the cockpit window oriented with the sides of the octagon in the up-down/left-right directions.
@@russellharrell2747 ohhh right lol
Love this video. Getting a look at the design process that led to these films is something I can’t get enough of.
I wish so say we will see those cool oxygen masks with the rebel helmets, they just look really cool!
Always learn new things about star wars ship design from these kinds of video’s love these kinds of video’s!
Honestly it would've been a lot more impressive if the final Vader's personal and boarding craft wing designs were flipped, giving Vader an X-shaped vehicle to mirror Luke's.
Your 3D models always look so amazing and the story behind the ships you manage to dig up are truly interesting.
Your videos are all ways so interesting, keep up the great work!
It's always fascinating when we go into the history of Sci-fi ships from concept to final! I wish there are more of these!
Really cool stuff! I very much appreciate digging up these little pieces of design origins!
Very interesting video! The creative process that went into making Star Wars was just on another level.
Shame you didn't mention its legacy with the likes of the TIE Avenger from TIE Fighter and even the confusing lore state on how there are a lot of mass produced TIE Advanced x1's in the X-Wing video game.
No need
@@Angelos_K Perhaps a follow-up video then.
Can confirm that expanded 365 book is a great reference. Used the pictures for Vaders medical chamber as inspiration for the 3D modeler that recreated a medical chamber in a certain fan film ;)
the X1 Advanced is such a hot fighter
4:06 Hmm, maybe this is the reason why on the Lego TIE Bomber (set 75347), you're able to swing the solar panels outward to achieve the same shape as the TIE Shuttle mentioned here. It could have been a coincidence, but it's nice knowing that you are easily able to switch between 2 different TIE spacecraft.
This is so cool! 2:35 that even earlier design looks like it was re-used as Cydon Prax's dreadnought battle tank in the GCN Clone Wars game!
That game used so many concept designs that didn't make it into the films and turned them into real vehicles.
If only X-wings had cool variants like tie fighters, like a bomber version
Or maybe a Stealth-X that can be flawlessly flown by Muggles and not just Force sensitives.
From a certain point of view, the ARC-170 is kinda like a heavy fighter/bomber version of the Z-95 Headhunter, which is the X-wing's predecessor. It definitely belongs to the same family. In Legends, there were many different post-Endor X-wing variants, but they were mostly just upgraded versions of the original one.
@@michaelandreipalon359 If an A-wing can be flown by muggles, anything can be flown by muggles.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 Yes, but the Stealth-X has specific systems that can only be used by what is essentially a being with some certain godlike abilities and reflexes, and as in the case for Star Wars, those are only given to Force sensitives.
Makes me extremely envious and also willing to prove them oh so wrong with me wanting anti-Force sensitive operatives in the far future, that imbalance.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Just throw an Ysalamir at them and shoot them with your trusty blaster. ;)
The TIE Advanced is far and away my favourite ship in Star Wars. Love the video.
Dude, your videos are magnificent
Not your normal kind of video, but I'm here for it.
Wonder if maybe the miniature game could use this as an excuse to release a pilot expansion with Darth Vader in a normal TIE.
I love how not only is recycling and repurposing concept art is a Star Wars tradition, it is literally as old as Star Wars. First movie, they're already doing it.
In that same vein, the early TIE boarding craft design at 2:35 sure looks like it was the inspiration for the Scimitar assault bomber in the EU.
I was an original '77 Star Wars kid and never knew any of this! Certainly not Vader's TIE originally being identical with a red decal. It never stops astonishing me what they managed with the first movie.
That prototype model looks WAY cooler than the finished design. I hope they repurpose it for a future movie or show.
Epik video! Will you ever make anything babylon 5 related?
Ooh, or maybe perhaps FreeSpace?
I love the look of the concept x-wing pilot helmet. It looks so cool!
In the story board where you note the shape on the cockpit there are also shapes at the vertices of the solar panels
A solid black TIE/LN for Vader while the Storm Troopers (well TIE pilots) fly Light Grey would have been interesting, and probably what happened in universe before the Advanced X1
I read years ago, they used a (Monogram?) model kit from the TIE Advanced for the studio model of the TIE Bomber in the movies.
that actually is cool. it's fascinating thinking about so much footage already being done and they're still making new models and trying to match the cockpits
Great TIE Advance model 🔥
I just don’t know why the ship designs in Star Wars are all so intriguing and memorable. They all have such unique looks coupled with intentional functionality. Other franchises have great designs (like those in the OG Battlestar Galactica) but Star Wars ship design just hits me on some deep visceral level.
These types of videos are really cool
Love this kind of behind-the-scenes content! Thank you !
Yeah that red decal would be nice to have lore like a special command marking for a flight leader.
I love the idea of the proto-final Vader's shuttle as an in universe step between his one-off and production interceptor
0:09 I see that squadrons flight yoke snuck in the interior there. I like the 2 additional screens squadrons introduced. The current on screen cockpit Disney uses only has a targeting computer. No instruments, foot pedals or anything. In Andor they have to make buttons up for them to press to start it up.
The flight yoke was in the original cockpit set. One more detail that does not match with the exterior
@@Angelos_K yes but the squadrons flight yoke is different from both the original trilogy set and the disney era set.
The Star Wars Rebels cockpit is pretty cool because it combines the original trilogy exterior and interior.
I always assumed the bent and backward swept wings of the TIE Advanced were taking design cues from Vader's helmet. There's certainly a visual connection there that makes the ship easy to recognize and identify, even if it was unintentional.
So I'm one of those weirdos who instead of wanting to see more of the TIE Defender in new Canon, I want to see more of the TIE Advanced, and who thinks we should get the Avenger recanonized.
Love how nerdy this is. Great stuff.
Awesome video man thanks for puttimg this together
I'd love to see more forgotten Imperial ships, though I imagine a lot of those have been covered quite already.
I know you don't do a lot of costume/armour stuff but I'd love to know where the original rebel helmet designs came from, and even hear some fanon ideas on why the rebels would choose their iconic open-face designs over ones that would protect them in a vacuum.
Hem, haw. Oh! Flexy extending lower half when vacuumed. Didn’t want to interfere with pilots freedom of lower face freedom. That’s important you know?
I always felt it was just a matter of showing who are the good guys (who are human beings with faces we can see) and who are the bad guys (who have no faces, thus no souls).
I believe the rebel pilot helmets were converted from Vietnam era helicopter crew helmets.
Your eye for detail is remarkable.
Thanks for the lesson.
Brilliant video
3:07 I'd love to see your take on this design for an early prototype TIE Advanced. If Vader flies an X1, perhaps there was a previous XX or X0 model that was its precursor, or perhaps even a parallel developmental prototype. Properly rendered in glorious 3D modeling of course.
This already exists in canon. See the TIE Advanced V1 was flown by the inquisitors in SW Rebels.
In addition to the Inquisitor's TIE Advanced there is also a TIE Advanced type 2 called the TIE Avenger which is the mass production version of the TIE Advanced that was featured in the TIE fighter computer flight sim games from the 90's.
Ultimately, the TIE Avenger wouldn't actually see much use in the Empire because the admiral in charge of the whole thing went rogue and tried to defect to the Rebels. It didn't turn out well for him.
The design of the TIE Avenger would ultimately see a second life as the Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer in the Disney films.
@@originalmin Never watched Rebels. The head bobbing and chin wobble whenever there was character dialogue made me throw up in my mouth. Also the TIE V1 looks to have a really uninteresting silhouette. It just looks like a regular TIE with slightly rounded wing panels mashed with the back half of Darth Maul's Sith Infiltrator.
@@sleeplessknight99 I really just want to hear EC's storytelling ability. The pre-production prototype film models look really distinctive, and they would look awesome in full detail 3D render.
It looks as if, besides the red pentagon insignia on Vader's standard TIE, the hull was also darker. Grey as was his TIE Advanced vice the eggshell white of his wingmates.
Impressive, most impressive
Would of been nice if for the final lightsaber duel in the Obi-Wan show Vader came down to the planet in his TIE Fighter instead of the shuttle.
That was interesting and something I did not know about the TIE fighters! Thanks for sharing this neat tutorial.
Had a model of the TIE Advanced when I was a kid - think it was the first Star Wars model I had, and I was always fascinated by it. Neat!
I have no proof this was done, I make 1:144 miniature models of star wars ships from bandi, I wanted a tie Interceptor but they do not make a model. I found that I could take a Vader tie wings and a few easy cuts changes them into tie interceptor wings and just glue them on a tie cockpit backward, to make the interceptor. It worked so well I was wondering if they reused molds for the Tie Advanced wings to make the Tie Interceptor wings. The tie bomber / boarder wings are exact match so it would not be too far to figure there was some reuse of work.
Considering being the bad guys ships in the film the TIE series would need to visit with pyrotechnics more often, thus easy to replace models makes some sense.
What about a Tie Advanced V2 having the wings of a Tie Interceptor but the main body of the Tie Advanced V1?
Thats the TIE Avenger
@@prowlus smaller wings and faster engines. Think supped up Tie interceptor.
I remember playing Tie Fighter back in the mid 90s. Vader's fighter was equipped with deflector screens and a hyperdrive. That allowed him to survive the impact that threw him from the trench and the hyperdrive allowed him to get back to an empire base or ship. Otherwise he'd have had to emit a distress call and probably would have been picked up by the rebels (even though he would have put up quite a fight being a Sith Lord 😄)
you're videos are awesome as always. Great work👍
Awesome stuff!
The TIE Boarding Craft had me for ages now.
In the Incredible Cross Sections book from 1998, The TIE boardingcraft is mentioned on both the Blockade Runner and Star Destroyer pages. There's even a picture of the Star Destroyer hanger with the Tantive IV docked and a very large TIE BOMBER in the hanger with a large group of storm troopers and rebel prisoners walking out of it.
I did some digging but never saw this vehicle mentioned anywhere until now - Makes perfect sense!
Never trust these books
I dunno.
EU always accepted far more bizzare and minor sources. Don't see why a TIE Boarding craft couldn't exist with a similar design to the bomber. Weird it was just forgotten.
A re-design could have been cool to see to differentiate it from the bomber.
Very, very cool!
Hard to imagine Star Wars with Vader's ship just being a normal TIE.
Though I think it makes the finale, where the other TIE hits him and he flies off, make a bit more sense.
If the wings are bigger, it's easier to hit and a bit more ungainly.
I had always wondered about that red hexagon decal in that kit too. Great info!
Somehow a “ Tri-Fighter” found its way into something , I forget where I saw it ... but it had 3 blades and looked pretty dang menacing. It was probably ep 7,8, or 9; I was so unimpressed by most of that I can’t even remember the story. Bot I DO remember this Gorilla At-Ats. And bleeding sand.
It's always interesting seeing these behind the scenes development videos. I also wonder if that red marking partly inspired the red livery of Baron Soontir Fel and his squadron in Legends.
If we could only go back and visit ILM way back then and see all the models and watch them being built.
Now this is pod racing.
Love your stuff, man! This was spiffy. *Happy* *New* *Year!*
One of my fav details in Jedi Academy was when you go to Vjun in the hangar you see the Tie Advanced with its damaged wing removed
Good Catch!
I love this dude.. man.. I love the fact he stick with the original stuff.. so creative.
Excellent video...I learned something new about the original SW movie! If you have more....I'll come a watchin.
Best video of the year so far 👍🏽
Henry, Nerd to Nerd. I love your content. Thank you!
Love your work! Thank you!
I remember that red pentagon marking! I always wondered what it was! Thanks EC!
Paul Hirsch one of the editors came up with the idea of Vader flying a different TIE when he noticed he could always tell Lucas was already in the building where they edited when he saw his car outside.
The interconnected design features all make sense in-universe as well. Look at Terran military equipment in the last 100 years - a great example is that the Allies in World War II repurposed the basic M4 Sherman tank design into a tank destroyer, mine clearance vehicle, flamethrower, amphibious gun tank, anti-aircraft vehicle, armoured personnel carrier, multiple rocket launcher system, armoured assault tank, and more. Yet even when equipped with rocket rails, uparmoured hull, flotation screens, mine-roller, etc. you could look at the basic vehicle and tell instantly it was based on the Sherman.
Oh this might also be why the First Order's special forces TIE's have that red stripe on the side! Interesting history.
The Star Wars Storyboards books are an incredible feast for the eyes.
I love how the ship design and cinematography challenges come together to create these things, it reminds me of another property heavily inspired by Star Wars, Mobile Suit Gundam. The main antagonist Char has a robot that is similarly slightly different from his soldiers in that it’s painted a salmon color with an antenna to differentiate from the green egg headed regular troops
I always thought Vader's ship looked like the flying pancake from WW2😂
Your videos are amazing!
I'm playing through one of the original iterations of Tie Fighter (circa ~ 1994), and deeply love the Tie Advanced. Thankfully I get to fly it in the game.
The best thing about how they used Vader's TIE is that the film never showed Vader boarding his fighter, or even mentioning that the vessel was his, you just KNEW that it was Vader's ship.