Another theory: The differences may be a result of different manufacturing plants or different subcontractors for parts. The TIE/ln was produced in such vast quantities that it's unrealistic to believe that they all came from the same industrial source. It's more likely that Seinar Fleet Systems licenced out production of TIEs to various subcontractors around the galaxy, and that different subcontractors made slightly different variants that were all supposed to meet the specifications set by SFS and the Imperial Navy. A real-world comparison might be the wide variety of license-built AR-15 millitary variants built around the world for various armed forces; they are all based around the same AR-15 platform, but have minor differences between them. For example, the Canadian built C7A2 is very similar to the M16A3, but is slightly different, based on the slightly different needs of the Canadian Armed Forces and the US Navy that comissioned them respectively. All TIE/ln fighters probably have to meed a certain requirement of standardization, but different subcontractors may get slightly different demands from the local governors responsible for supplying the fleet in their sector.
This is also a very good theory. I found a website about the Sherman tank called Sherman Minutiae, and its quite shocking the amount of variation that exists just by being from a different manufacturer, never mind a different variant, even small details such as storage would change simply because the manufacturer either had a different preference from another company or even decided on the change themselves for any number of reasons. TL;DR fantastic theories grounded well in reality either way.
This is a theory I've seen tossed around but this comparison has a really big flaw, literally. Small arms aren't as complex or expensive as a vehicle. The reason this is important is because the best thing a military can do is keep vehicle production *standardized*, which is important not only for smooth, consistent training of personnel but it also ensures that there's little quality or function deviation and ensures that spare parts needed for maintenance are consistent. For example, during WW2 aircraft like the Vaught F4U Corsair actually had multiple manufacturers building them under license, including Brewster and Goodyear, and though the Navy gave them unique designations as per their policy, they were identical to their Vaught brethren in both parts and performance. To have different manufacturers run wild with design changes big or small would wreak havoc with logistics and doesn't make any sense, hence why we don't have 5 different manufacturer variations of something like an Abrams or F-15 today.
There could be minor TIE variations based on compatibility with carrier/platform logistics. A Star Destroyer might have slightly different hardware (and spare parts) than another. Manufacturers span half a galaxy, each follows common TIE specs but has different tools, technologies, and materials. The Death Star(s), Vader's and Tarkin's flagships, and everything seen in Rogue One were secret Imperial military installations using experimental new weaponry. Exactly the places where variant TIE configurations/prototypes would first be deployed. And specific fleet/installation commanders might have specific preferences. The Empire is about conformity but the top echelons are very competitive and backstabby - always looking for recognition, success, and some sort of extra edge.
@@pwnmeisterage Honestly this would be horribly inefficient and would make the ability for squadrons to be cycled to different ships or installations throughout the galaxy a logistical nightmare/impossibility. And while there are prototypes, the key word here is *prototypes*, meaning these ships are built in a very small number and are deployed to very specific facilities or ships on the basis of testing. At most you'd see maybe a handful of pre-production batches, but nothing that would be on the same scale a mass produced fighter, and depending on how few were made you'd likely not see a majority of these in any combat scenarios for fear of the technology being either salvaged by enemies or the time and cost that would go into manufacturing that prototype in the first place.
@@PaulProspero But mass produced vehicles DID have significant variations, and still do. There are dozens of variations of the F-15 that were in service to several different nations over the life of that aircraft. In WWII, there were noticable differences between the Sherman tanks that came out of the Ford factories and the ones that came from General Motors. If anything, the larger and more complex the design, the MORE variation there is, not less. Standardization is something people try to achieve, but standardization of result is usually more important than process. If the TIEs coming out of factory X had slightly different systems and appearance, but still fit into the docking bays and performed as expected, then few would complain about it.
@@teejaybricks3603 you could though make the argument that with so much space to cover, the empire would have several variants in service at once. Lothal, as a backwater spot of initially minimal strategic value, would likely have an older model in service. By contrast, a strategically fortified location like scariff would be more likely prioritized for shipments of the latest in performance.
Why is Rebels' even being considered? Their whole art work is deliberately and specifically different; everything from lightsabers, Vader's body shape and Star Destroyers. Comparing Rebels is like including Scooby Doo in a dog-breeders book!
@Bill O'Brien No those aren't in-universe changes, characters ships and vehicles when presented in different mediums all have artistic interpretation. Look at phase I clone from the clone wars they look very different to the movie versions but they are the exact same pieces of armour because they were changed to fit the aesthetic of the show. Battle Droids in season 7 got a brand new look to make them look more accurate to the movies and was a stylistic change not an in-universe upgrade.
Rebels takes more inspiration from old concept art. I’ve seen s9me concept art for ANH with the shorter and wider TIEs of Rebels. That is also why the ISDs are taller and have a different design of tractor beam array iirc
I wonder what the producers might say about this. Rogue One paid attention to a lot of details and they studied the old models/footages to make everything right (for example they tried to reproduce the data card with the death star plans as accurate as possible). So this actually might be intentional.
it was one of the most heavily guarded imperial facilities that had top secret projects and experiments... would hardly call that a back water storage depot
I'd say that it's not so much that Scarif got older TIE models, but more so that the Death Star was just equipped with the very best the Empire had to offer because it was *the* number one strategic installation they had.
I have a couple suggestions for you Henry: 1) Since you did a video on the Nebulon B and what it looked like in Imperial service, can you do one on it’s successor the Nebulon C and what that looked like in New Republic service? _The Anodyne_ was salvaged from a scrapyard and it's clearly been stripped. 2) Can you do a video on what the Resistance Bunkerbuster looked like in it’s prime? The front of _The Ninka_ looks like it’s been stripped and the back and sides looks like it's missing parts and panels.
Stuart Lugsden I think the Bunkerbuster’s more of a beefed-up variant of the CR90, where they (the Corellian Engineering Corporation) used pre-existing assets to make something which worked on a tight time-schedule. This would be helped by their modular components, as they can easily swap around said components to suit the consumer’s needs.
MoonTrooper258 aa I like your idea but we can still use it. After the “Order War” the galaxy didn’t want to make the same mistake, so they started work on a stronger military, This includes a new beefed up bunker buster, that serves the role as either a attack frigate or heavy corvette. These used the same blueprints so newer models could be made but also older models that could be upgradable.
ISDs assigned to sector patrol duties could easily be equipped with garrison TIEs since they would be expected to leave detachments behind to bolster local Imperial governments who were facing an uptick in piracy or insurgents.
After that one shot of the massive galaxy fleet in TROS that apparently has 55 new ships spread about it... ...I believe you have a career ahead of you.
@@kvproductions2581 Sorry, be free to express your opinion. It just gets a little tiring hearing the same thing regurgitated over and over again. TROS has major flaws, but I would much prefer a breakdown of canon ships over decanonized fanfiction.
@@isharkyshark3974 well i'm sorry to break it to you my dude but a VERY BIG majority of the fandom holds that "decanonized fanfiction" in MUCH higher regard to the whole sequel trilogy which, if rumors are to be believed (and i sure hope they are) is gonna become decanonized fanfiction soon enough anyway (rumor reported by the same guy who correctly leaked all of TROS one month in advance)
I recall reading that there were differences in Imperial Star Destroyers made by different manufacturers. Corellians being a bit faster than average for example. Similarly it could also be that the slightly different looking TIE fighters are produced by different manufacturers (The Empire is massive and so are the fleets and a lot of planets are busy building their vehicles and equipment.) and the slight differences come from them using parts that are more readily available to them or possibly even taking some small liberties in design based on their culture or production line capability. ...The obvious downside of this would be that all the ships of the "same" design are no longer parts interchangeable and this means further strain on logistics. But that is something that has happened in real life as well with different countries starting from the same blueprints (Warsaw pact for example making slight changes and NATO simply making different rifles using the same caliber) even though they were supposed to be using the same equipment and ammo for the sake of easier logistics. Not a perfect fan theory but one worth considering in my opinion.
When the empire was at it's height, supply logistics wouldn't have been a problem. Each manufacturer would likely have exclusive contracts for a given sector. Corrupt bidding practices are common in autocratic governments. When the Empire started to loose and had to start combining equipment from different fleets supply would have been a massive issue. A likely contributor to the empire's eventual defeat. It would also explain why the First Order has all but abandoned the Imperial era equipment they took with them when they fled to the unknown regions.
I work in manufacturing, and the items the company I work for uses and makes are constantly tweaked in attempts to improve them, make them cheaper and/or easier to assemble. And the fact that a part is slightly different does not mean it suddenly becomes incompatible. As long as the means by with it is attached to the other parts remain the same, it's still going to work. I don't want to go into too much detail (company secrets and all), so suffice it to say: There are at least six variation of one part (essentially a metal plate to which all the other components are attached) that are visually distinct. The first version of that metal plate was made by milling and dyed by anodic treatment. The current version is made by injection moulding and gets its colour from a powder coating. There are some other changes which made the metal plate lighter and reduced the number of steps needed to complete the final product, but if still had some of the old plates left, we could still use them in the current version of the product. Because the engineers that did the tweaking made sure the new version is interchangeable with the old ones - i.e. the holes for the screws by with the plate attaches to the other components are identical in all versions. Based on my manufacturing experience: As long as the way for example the different sized struts and solar panels are attached to the cockpit unit of a TIE remains the same, using a different type of panel or strut should not be that much of an issue. Though considering we're talking about TIEs (i.e. disposable, throw-away fighters), replacing struts and/or solar panels on already completed TIE isn't going to come up that often. If a TIE gets damaged to the point it needs new panels and or struts it's probably cheaper to just get a new one, than it would be to recover the fighter, bother with the spare parts and the effort of installing them. Parts that are not going to be replaced, because its not worth the effort, don't need to be interchangeable between different lots of the product.
I really dig the p-51 comparison. Wartime fighters were constantly being altered, upgraded, and even redesigned for different roles. I really like this explanation for variations in tie designs and adds a lot to the depth of the universe.
Yooo that’s super cool! I hope they come out and state this, it adds a lot to the universe. I also really liked how Rebels introduced an earlier model of the AT-AT. Super cool.
Super Fry if I remember right, the at-at variant in rebels was actually one that saw minimal service under the republic, but so few where built that it doesn’t really get any acknowledgement as original ya republic design
@@wyattvanthul8893 I don' think it went into service DURING the republic era, but rather, directly after the end of it, with the plans likely being made in the waning weeks of the republic, or early months of the empire. All we know for certain is that the rebels design was at MOST, finished about 4.75 - 5 years after the fall of the republic, as Jedi Fallen order takes place 5 years after the purge.
Another thought. Since rebels takes place before rouge one, the TIE b and c models might actually be reversed. They moved away from the sleek smooth rebel model to shave more weight from the design. I also think it fits a bit better asthetically as well from a progression viewpoint, though that may just be me.
This was superb! Thank you for pointing this out, really clever to basically use a WW2 or even modern fighter A/B/C etc variants to represent different types of TIE's :)
Thank you eckhart for showing me to this channel I love your in depth pov on your videos Im the type pf person who always wonderd about the subtle changes in vehicles from movies and games
I would love to see a rerender of the Battle of Endor from you using all your designs! I think it's a pitty, that this amazing space battle is visually very outdated. Most ships are just so blury and often have weird blueish looks. Even just seeing a couple of shots from the movie being reimagined by you would be amazing!!!
You, my good sir, are probably the most important person in this community right now. It is incredible how much you are able to add to this world we all love. Thank you.
I think adding in little details like this (evolution of a design over time) or even just minor differences caused by different companies manufacturing things adds a lot to the lore and setting.
I always figured that the Rebels TIE was a more advanced version that never entered into general service as a result. It's pretty obvious as you watch the show that Lothal was already set up as an R&D facility for TIE development even in season 1, with the improved TIE that the Inquisitor flew introduced then and the TIE Defender being designed and built there later. It makes sense that the basic TIEs they produced were more advanced as well, and that all of the Imperial forces in the region would be equipped with that version, as Lothal was likely the planet producing replacements for them. Given the massive number of TIEs that would need to be produced to equip the Death Stars (estimated to be 7,000-9,000 each, equivalent to a hundred or more ISDs), it only makes sense that the design would be improved in a more basic way to cut costs, and that they would become the Imperial standard, given that the destination for all of those factories was suddenly gone, leading to a massive surplus of them.
A final “imperial” design may also have a hyperdrive and subtly explain the Rise of Skywalker tie Ben takes to exegol. Hell we know ties eventually develop hyperdrives anyway with the first order variants. This would just mean ties got light speed way sooner then we imagined.
@The Xenomorphian Except they aren't using the same tie fighters at all. The first order fighter Finn and Poe steal in TFA was a two-seater with a turret! Superficially similar to the standard Imperial TIE-Ln, but definitely not the same design. Aside from that, Hyperdrive is completely standard in rebel fighters in the original trilogy, but Tie Fighters don't get one, mostly because the ships aren't expected to operate independently. Vader's Tie had a hyperdrive and shields. presumably a lot of the big fin behind the cockpit was taken up with the extra hardware and fuel to allow longer ranged travel. Nothing says that imperial Ties -couldn't- be fitted with hyperdrives (in fact, one of the EU stories included a captured tie-fighter being fitted with a small hyperdrive module) Just that the Empire didn't like the idea of its most disposable navy assets also having the capacity to desert easily...
The rebels tie is probably just an artistic version of the default TIE, look at the phase I clones from the clone wars, they are very inaccurate but its not a new model.
@@paulnaughton9923 the phase 1 clone troopers from the clone wars had stormtrooper backplating with the "OII" design. It's just artistic interpretation.
I agree. The same explanation can be applied to the B1 Battle Droids in The Clone Wars. In the movies, their backpacks have two antennas whereas the TCW version only have one.
Max Eisenhardt Just look at the clone wars version of the super battle droid, it’s like a sphere with arms and legs compared to the skinny version we see in the movies
The theory about C model is pretty realistic. In real world we ve seen it with M60 Patton tank. First M60 was produced with pretty standard layout of vehicle, next it got upgraded to M60A1 mostly by giving it better turret but still pretty standard looking. Next however would be M60A2 nicknamed "starship". It got futuristic low profile turret with gun of a huge caliber and a lot of electronics- that would be our model C. It was not efficient enough especially given the cost, so the next model- M60A3 was an upgrade to M60A1 and M60A2 turret design was ditched.
RichieAppel I remember hearing that although Rebels was canon, the did artistic changes to bring the ship designs and character designs more like the original Ralph McQuarrie’s original series concept sketches. Take Zeb for example, he was a conceptual depiction of Chewbacca originally, before Lucas settled on the Chewbacca he gave us. They used the Chewbacca concept and created a new species for the character of Zeb. This is also why the star destroyer “necks” are longer/taller in Rebels.
I love your videos like this EC! They really add to the flavor of the world and make it more real. Always love when I get the bell notification for one of your videos.
This is really cool content, thanks. Like it was everything I hoped for when I clicked and left me being able to look back and enjoy these movies more than I could before, even if by a little bit. Thanks man.
I have another explanation. They were supposed to look exactly the same, but the Rogue One people made some minor mistakes. And they probably said, “oh, nobody will notice,” not realizing these are Star Wars fans we’re talking about here.
It would make sense that the premier squadrons on the new Death Star would have the latest versions of TIE's as well. Love the videos man, keep it up. I would love to see you make some more fan ships, my vote, a TIE AWACS style ship, to provide radar and relay communications for TIE's operating from their carriers as well as being long range fire coordination for distant naval engagments (think WW1 artillery spotting aircraft). a TIE Prowler.
Now THIS is what i like to see in Star Wars vehicles. Makes sense lore wise. Makes sense logically. And seeing the slight differences allows further insight to the design philosophy of what went into making vehicles. Thank you EC Henry for feeding me yet another star wars vehicle video.
Lucasfilm retconned the lore around the A-Wing, adding a designation for the Droids version (The R-22 Spearhead) having a design lineage for the TIE/ln would be neat.
I never even notice! This is cool! Now I would love to see a comparison of the D with the one shown in the sequel trilogy. 😁 Missed opportunity for this video, in my opinion.
That should be a whole separate video. This was more about the TIEs that everyone thinks are exactly identical not actually being identical. Everyone knows the TIEs in the sequel trilogy are a little different.
You should collaborate with Junkball Media on one of these deep dive comparisons. I love your technical approach, and his purposeful over-analysis of things like the thickness of the NCC-1701's neck or the model of highlighter used to add pods to the New Orleans class would be a fun video.
This is absolutely excellent and touches on something that must be included in any science fiction or fantasy that's being honest about its military technology curves.
I like this fan theory, as it's a great way of explaining the differences. Also interesting note: when viewed from the inside, the canopy was rotated slightly in ANH. Rogue One continued this trend by rotating the canopy for interior shots. Great work EC
As always another awesome video. I never noticed the difference between the Rogue One TIE vs the original trilogy TIE. I love your use of the WWII planes. Some of favorite military planes are from that error. I crossed an item off my bucket list when I took a flight in a B-17 bomber.
This video makes me really excited. I am a big nerd when it comes to military technology, and I love how a single design changed based on anything from tech updates to even manufacturing preferences from different companies or entities. I love the P51 analogy too. That said, that is nothing compared to the insanity of the endless family tree that is the M4 Sherman (look up the website Sherman Minutiae, and maybe grab a snack beforehand).
I absolutely love the differences between the TIEs and the "in universe" theories about why they are different. I agree that the differences do lend to a more realistic nuance to the series.
This makes so much sense actually. To make it even better, other ships in Star Wars also show this kind of updates as well, since ANH Star destroyers and Star destroyers in Empire are different models as well, with the ones in Empire being more advanced. The T-65 X Wing and the later T-70 X wings also exemplify this. Even the small arms in the films reflect this change as well.
@@lac3y1988 Think: DoD contractor lab. Yes, there's a security guard out front and you need codes and passcards to get anywhere, but there aren't a bunch of high end military pieces laying around, just those few security guards out front. The AT-ATs in RO are actually modified to carry cargo, as the threat of ground assault wasn't huge. And Scariff was seen as a more relaxed "vacation" post for soldiers and officers, similar to being station in Hawaii or some atoll in the Pacific. So it would make sense that it would be relatively less well guarded. That planetary shield was supposed to take care of anything the Rebels might throw at it.
@@BillKermanKSP Yep. The Death Star was like a carrier battle group. It had the best technology the Navy could throw at it. Scariff was more like a DoD lab in the South Pacific. Lightly guarded and laid back.
@@robbhays8077 Wait..... Hawaii could honestly be easily seen as the real world counterpart to Scarif. Both might've been considered laid back "vacation" places for on duty soldiers (at least if my experience watching old WW2 movies like "In Harms Way" is anything to go off of), but both were also considered highly important military operations, with, to my knowledge, Peal Harbor being pretty much the home base for most, if not all, of the conflict in the pacific theater. Its honestly a perfect fit, with exceptions of Hawaii not being a dedicated library like citadel, unlike Scarif, which very well could've had backups of every single imperial code, procedure, strategy, blueprint, and more.
3:06 nah the people who made Star Wars Rebels said that the Star Destroyers (long neck) and Tie Fighter (short wings big cockpit ball) are just different because of artistic choices in the animated show(they made them look like the original Ralph McQuarrie sketches before he refined them) and in reality they look exactly like the models that show up on the movies. Fantasy Flight makes cards and models of ships that show up in Star Wars Rebels and they draw the space craft looking like the movie version and not how they look in the show.
My theory is that because these TIE’s were stationed on Scarif, they were the result of of special or custom designs to match the planet environment (similar to the TIE striker.) Maybe they would have been more fragile or made using cheaper materials because they were specialized for patrolling Scarif, not maybe more heavily armed imperial bases or space flight. Maybe the skinnier design could have also helped with atmospheric flight
Well I don't think that they were variants. I noticed the "small canopy" in the trailer, but the Outland TIE Fighter that Moff Gideon himself used has the same appearance as the rogue one model. So I think the TIE Fighter has been simply "refreshed" by the rogue one design team.
I would love a video on the Hoth AT-ST model vs. the ROTJ one. The differences are a lot more pronounced. There's also minor differences between the AT-ATs in the two classic movies. And the dward spider droid sports a bulked up cannon in ROTS. A lot of small things the designers like to tinker with from movie to movie.
I saw a discussion about this on Fractalsponge's Discord channel, and they seem to agree the differences are best explained as changes that occur during different production blocks, like your comparison to the P-51 production blocks.
That was always my headcanon for the rebels TIE I’m glad to see that the rest of canon actually seems to support the idea of incremental TIE/LN developmental evolution
This makes perfect sense. A P51 and a P51C-10 are essentially the same plane. Both iconic P51 mustangs but with notable exact structural and mechanical differences. Also not to mention the BF109* A-F series which all have many differences between models.
Considering there's a TIE Fighter cameo in Attack of the Clones, I like to think that it was the earliest prototype. So maybe that could be the A-model, which after a couple of finishing touches is further used in the Clone Wars for combat tests as the yet indistinct B-model, which then serves in a small capacity in the first few years of Imperial rule. Then up until the Battle of Scarrif, we have the standard C-model or "Rogue One TIE Fighter", which is being phased out by D around the time of the Battle of Yavin. And then, after the Battle of Endor, we get a standard post-war E-model used by the Remnant, and then with the Rise of the First Order, there are a couple of intermediary designs before the standard First Order H-model seen in the Sequels.
I was watching this video and just had a thought. The X-Wings full Classification is the T-65B X-Wing Starfighter. We know that years later there was the T-70 X-Wing...if that's the case, then what was the original T-65 X-Wing, the one that existed before the 'B' was added to the name? Food for thought.
Makes sense to have different variants. In the guide to vehicles, there is even an note explaining that early models had a single power plant outputing to both weapons and thrusters, but that it was changed due to problems this caused in dogfights.
Love it. Another comparison is the Willys Jeep… made by Willys, Ford, Kaiser, Jeep, and also licences out to Mitsubishi in post-WW2 Japan. All had their own variations over the years. OF course a GALACTIC EMPIRE would subcontract a general design to various companies who had to make acceptable design/production changes along the way, based on supply chains, resource availability (this one has a durasteel frame, that one has a tritanium [or tritanalium] frame) especially during wartime.
The TIE fighter owners workshop manual even mentions a weapons upgrade from the SFS-Ls1 laser Canon to the SFS-Ls7.2 within the TIE/in's lifespan. so that would be consistent, although we only see changes in the weapons housing, the guns themselves aren't reallj visible from the exterior.
You should do a video on what an imperial starship (capital ship) would both look and function like were you to design it. Essentially, a brand new ship from the ground up. No triangular style ships. (unless of course that truly is the design you would have gone with if you were designing imperial ships.) Could be interesting. :D (Eventually you could even design an entire imperial fleet. All your own designs. So like, frigates, corvettes, ETC, ETC. That would be super cool!)
I love Your headcanon theories, they are more thought out than a lot of canon stuff. I would love to see You touch the subject of inconsistencies about y-wing and b-wing, how it's said in disney canon that b-wing is slower and less maneuverable, yet it's MGLT is much higher than the official y-wing numbers and it's maneuverability rating from legends is higher. Also how a starfighter over 30 years newer would be less maneuverable than the old stuff
I don't know why I keep coming back to this video other than being fascinated by the minor differences between the TIE Fighters in *_Rogue One_* and the TIEs from the original trilogy. BTW I don't think you'll do this one, EC Henry, but could you maybe do a video on how well the LEGO TIE Fighters portray different versions from the OT era? Because I feel like the 2012 and 2021 TIE Fighter (9492 and 75300) very much resemble the *_Rogue One_* version and the 2018 version (75211) almost resembles the OT.
Cool vid I like this little difference look of the tie fighter please do more vids like this I’d love to see more I’m sure Star Wars has a lot you could do
And don't forget- Scarif was a backwater posting. They would likely have older models in general, (like reserve units have in the real world); the Death Star would have the most cutting edge model.
@@demanischaffer Yes, it was. There's a reason the command staff (as well as the military command) were completely incompetent. Remember, the whole point is it wasn't supposed to be known nor draw any attention to it. Ergo, the military personnel who get sent to the middle of nowhere to twiddle there thumbs so the intellectuals feel safe are not the 501st... (See also- The Maw) Besides, Groom Lake is not where the best military personnel are assigned; SURE, if you're a techie or scientist, might be fine. But standing guard over a bunch of lab techs in the middle of the desert 20 miles from the nearest town (presuming you're even allowed off post) is not an assignment you see grunts clamoring for.
@@Sephiroth144 In lore Scarif was seen as the sort retirement home of officers and a desired post for Stormtroopers as it was a tropical paradise where only the best troopers got rotated too
Funny you should bring up the P-51 and its various models, there was actually a fully realised dive bomber/ground attack version of the P-51 developed in 1942 designated the A-36 Apache
By the way @EC Henry, if you ever want to do a video on the early Empire AT-AT seen in Star Wars Rebels, hit me up! I have the model of it they used in Jedi Fallen Order I can give you. It's to scale with the ESB AT-AT that's also in the game files. I've done some analysis of the model myself but would love it if you gave it some more attention! It’s really cool because they feel like something that came from the Clone Wars. They share a lot of the design language from Early Empire / late Clone Wars vehicles. It's also a lot bigger than the model used in ESB and even has anti air! Something the ESB model notoriously lacked.
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Echenry "The tie fighters in rogue one are different from anh"
How many other lies have I been told by the council ?!
*YES*
What if I told you that stormtrooper armour is different in each film.
*Lots*
@@DalekChuFan9000 I'd say I already knew that, and it's especially apparent in Return of the Jedi.
Another theory: The differences may be a result of different manufacturing plants or different subcontractors for parts. The TIE/ln was produced in such vast quantities that it's unrealistic to believe that they all came from the same industrial source. It's more likely that Seinar Fleet Systems licenced out production of TIEs to various subcontractors around the galaxy, and that different subcontractors made slightly different variants that were all supposed to meet the specifications set by SFS and the Imperial Navy. A real-world comparison might be the wide variety of license-built AR-15 millitary variants built around the world for various armed forces; they are all based around the same AR-15 platform, but have minor differences between them. For example, the Canadian built C7A2 is very similar to the M16A3, but is slightly different, based on the slightly different needs of the Canadian Armed Forces and the US Navy that comissioned them respectively. All TIE/ln fighters probably have to meed a certain requirement of standardization, but different subcontractors may get slightly different demands from the local governors responsible for supplying the fleet in their sector.
This is also a very good theory. I found a website about the Sherman tank called Sherman Minutiae, and its quite shocking the amount of variation that exists just by being from a different manufacturer, never mind a different variant, even small details such as storage would change simply because the manufacturer either had a different preference from another company or even decided on the change themselves for any number of reasons.
TL;DR fantastic theories grounded well in reality either way.
This is a theory I've seen tossed around but this comparison has a really big flaw, literally. Small arms aren't as complex or expensive as a vehicle. The reason this is important is because the best thing a military can do is keep vehicle production *standardized*, which is important not only for smooth, consistent training of personnel but it also ensures that there's little quality or function deviation and ensures that spare parts needed for maintenance are consistent. For example, during WW2 aircraft like the Vaught F4U Corsair actually had multiple manufacturers building them under license, including Brewster and Goodyear, and though the Navy gave them unique designations as per their policy, they were identical to their Vaught brethren in both parts and performance. To have different manufacturers run wild with design changes big or small would wreak havoc with logistics and doesn't make any sense, hence why we don't have 5 different manufacturer variations of something like an Abrams or F-15 today.
There could be minor TIE variations based on compatibility with carrier/platform logistics. A Star Destroyer might have slightly different hardware (and spare parts) than another. Manufacturers span half a galaxy, each follows common TIE specs but has different tools, technologies, and materials.
The Death Star(s), Vader's and Tarkin's flagships, and everything seen in Rogue One were secret Imperial military installations using experimental new weaponry. Exactly the places where variant TIE configurations/prototypes would first be deployed.
And specific fleet/installation commanders might have specific preferences. The Empire is about conformity but the top echelons are very competitive and backstabby - always looking for recognition, success, and some sort of extra edge.
@@pwnmeisterage Honestly this would be horribly inefficient and would make the ability for squadrons to be cycled to different ships or installations throughout the galaxy a logistical nightmare/impossibility. And while there are prototypes, the key word here is *prototypes*, meaning these ships are built in a very small number and are deployed to very specific facilities or ships on the basis of testing. At most you'd see maybe a handful of pre-production batches, but nothing that would be on the same scale a mass produced fighter, and depending on how few were made you'd likely not see a majority of these in any combat scenarios for fear of the technology being either salvaged by enemies or the time and cost that would go into manufacturing that prototype in the first place.
@@PaulProspero But mass produced vehicles DID have significant variations, and still do. There are dozens of variations of the F-15 that were in service to several different nations over the life of that aircraft. In WWII, there were noticable differences between the Sherman tanks that came out of the Ford factories and the ones that came from General Motors. If anything, the larger and more complex the design, the MORE variation there is, not less. Standardization is something people try to achieve, but standardization of result is usually more important than process. If the TIEs coming out of factory X had slightly different systems and appearance, but still fit into the docking bays and performed as expected, then few would complain about it.
I would swap the position between the Rogue One's Tie and the Rebels', as Star Wars Rebels happens a few years before Rogue One/A New Hope.
yeah but the rogue one ties were being made in solo 13 years before episode 4 further back than rebels
@@teejaybricks3603 you could though make the argument that with so much space to cover, the empire would have several variants in service at once. Lothal, as a backwater spot of initially minimal strategic value, would likely have an older model in service.
By contrast, a strategically fortified location like scariff would be more likely prioritized for shipments of the latest in performance.
Why is Rebels' even being considered? Their whole art work is deliberately and specifically different; everything from lightsabers, Vader's body shape and Star Destroyers. Comparing Rebels is like including Scooby Doo in a dog-breeders book!
@Bill O'Brien No those aren't in-universe changes, characters ships and vehicles when presented in different mediums all have artistic interpretation. Look at phase I clone from the clone wars they look very different to the movie versions but they are the exact same pieces of armour because they were changed to fit the aesthetic of the show. Battle Droids in season 7 got a brand new look to make them look more accurate to the movies and was a stylistic change not an in-universe upgrade.
Rebels takes more inspiration from old concept art. I’ve seen s9me concept art for ANH with the shorter and wider TIEs of Rebels. That is also why the ISDs are taller and have a different design of tractor beam array iirc
I wonder what the producers might say about this. Rogue One paid attention to a lot of details and they studied the old models/footages to make everything right (for example they tried to reproduce the data card with the death star plans as accurate as possible). So this actually might be intentional.
Rebels Tie Fighter: Too short
RO Tie Fighter: Too tall
ANH Tie Fighter: Just right
ESB/ROTJ Tie Fighter: Too tall again
The differences in rebels don’t mean anything. They’re just overly stylized and animated.
Dread StarZ no, the later OT TIEs have different gun barrels as the most obvious difference.
@@NCC1371 aye, agree on ya, lad. And their Star Destroyer have stupidly tall bridge neck. I hate it when they did that.
What is the model used in The Mandalorian? Late Imperial (RotJ)?
Daniel Tasayco the Mandalorean has a new model, the Outlander TIE. But of course my head canon is that every TIE could fold its wings for landing.
Having older variant ties stationed at Scarif makes sense as it was essentially a back water storage depot
...with its own experimental tie models used in atmosphere...
...with hardened planetary defenses and comprehensive archives of the Empire's most secret military R&D projects...
it was one of the most heavily guarded imperial facilities that had top secret projects and experiments... would hardly call that a back water storage depot
I'd say that it's not so much that Scarif got older TIE models, but more so that the Death Star was just equipped with the very best the Empire had to offer because it was *the* number one strategic installation they had.
"backwater storage depot"
Ouch dude this is fucking embarrassing. I recommend you delete your comment.
I have a couple suggestions for you Henry:
1) Since you did a video on the Nebulon B and what it looked like in Imperial service, can you do one on it’s successor the Nebulon C and what that looked like in New Republic service? _The Anodyne_ was salvaged from a scrapyard and it's clearly been stripped.
2) Can you do a video on what the Resistance Bunkerbuster looked like in it’s prime? The front of _The Ninka_ looks like it’s been stripped and the back and sides looks like it's missing parts and panels.
Stuart Lugsden
I think the Bunkerbuster’s more of a beefed-up variant of the CR90, where they (the Corellian Engineering Corporation) used pre-existing assets to make something which worked on a tight time-schedule. This would be helped by their modular components, as they can easily swap around said components to suit the consumer’s needs.
MoonTrooper258 aa I like your idea but we can still use it. After the “Order War” the galaxy didn’t want to make the same mistake, so they started work on a stronger military, This includes a new beefed up bunker buster, that serves the role as either a attack frigate or heavy corvette. These used the same blueprints so newer models could be made but also older models that could be upgradable.
MoonTrooper258 aa its a bit bigger than a CR90 isnt it? I think the Pelta frigate shares a lot of visual similarity to it.
HBTDawgz52 yeh about the size of a arquitens
Actually, yeah, holy shit I didn’t realize just how big they were. They call it a corvette, but that’s outrageous!
**Before watching video**
Oh c'mon Henry, you're just splitting hairs here.
**After watching video**
HEADCANON ACCEPTED
I read that in Vader's voice
I would propose that the Rebels TIE was a variant intended for planetary garrison duty and was optimized for servicing on the ground.
That's why it also came out of ISD's like the 7th Fleet's?
ISDs assigned to sector patrol duties could easily be equipped with garrison TIEs since they would be expected to leave detachments behind to bolster local Imperial governments who were facing an uptick in piracy or insurgents.
@@trr94001 So basically the TIE/ln in Rebels are the COIN adapted version?
Yayo' Ariowibowo COIN?
Counter Insurgency
After that one shot of the massive galaxy fleet in TROS that apparently has 55 new ships spread about it...
...I believe you have a career ahead of you.
ew, TROS, i'd rather see him cover some of the awesome ships that never got a 3d model from legends
@@kvproductions2581 Mate, shut up.
@@isharkyshark3974 oh no, crap, some random moron told me to shut up, guess i can't say my opinion anymore... what a shame
@@kvproductions2581 Sorry, be free to express your opinion. It just gets a little tiring hearing the same thing regurgitated over and over again. TROS has major flaws, but I would much prefer a breakdown of canon ships over decanonized fanfiction.
@@isharkyshark3974 well i'm sorry to break it to you my dude but a VERY BIG majority of the fandom holds that "decanonized fanfiction" in MUCH higher regard to the whole sequel trilogy which, if rumors are to be believed (and i sure hope they are) is gonna become decanonized fanfiction soon enough anyway (rumor reported by the same guy who correctly leaked all of TROS one month in advance)
This whole time I thought I was just seeing things. Great to have you back.
I recall reading that there were differences in Imperial Star Destroyers made by different manufacturers. Corellians being a bit faster than average for example. Similarly it could also be that the slightly different looking TIE fighters are produced by different manufacturers (The Empire is massive and so are the fleets and a lot of planets are busy building their vehicles and equipment.) and the slight differences come from them using parts that are more readily available to them or possibly even taking some small liberties in design based on their culture or production line capability.
...The obvious downside of this would be that all the ships of the "same" design are no longer parts interchangeable and this means further strain on logistics. But that is something that has happened in real life as well with different countries starting from the same blueprints (Warsaw pact for example making slight changes and NATO simply making different rifles using the same caliber) even though they were supposed to be using the same equipment and ammo for the sake of easier logistics. Not a perfect fan theory but one worth considering in my opinion.
When the empire was at it's height, supply logistics wouldn't have been a problem. Each manufacturer would likely have exclusive contracts for a given sector. Corrupt bidding practices are common in autocratic governments.
When the Empire started to loose and had to start combining equipment from different fleets supply would have been a massive issue. A likely contributor to the empire's eventual defeat.
It would also explain why the First Order has all but abandoned the Imperial era equipment they took with them when they fled to the unknown regions.
I work in manufacturing, and the items the company I work for uses and makes are constantly tweaked in attempts to improve them, make them cheaper and/or easier to assemble. And the fact that a part is slightly different does not mean it suddenly becomes incompatible. As long as the means by with it is attached to the other parts remain the same, it's still going to work. I don't want to go into too much detail (company secrets and all), so suffice it to say: There are at least six variation of one part (essentially a metal plate to which all the other components are attached) that are visually distinct. The first version of that metal plate was made by milling and dyed by anodic treatment. The current version is made by injection moulding and gets its colour from a powder coating. There are some other changes which made the metal plate lighter and reduced the number of steps needed to complete the final product, but if still had some of the old plates left, we could still use them in the current version of the product. Because the engineers that did the tweaking made sure the new version is interchangeable with the old ones - i.e. the holes for the screws by with the plate attaches to the other components are identical in all versions.
Based on my manufacturing experience: As long as the way for example the different sized struts and solar panels are attached to the cockpit unit of a TIE remains the same, using a different type of panel or strut should not be that much of an issue. Though considering we're talking about TIEs (i.e. disposable, throw-away fighters), replacing struts and/or solar panels on already completed TIE isn't going to come up that often. If a TIE gets damaged to the point it needs new panels and or struts it's probably cheaper to just get a new one, than it would be to recover the fighter, bother with the spare parts and the effort of installing them. Parts that are not going to be replaced, because its not worth the effort, don't need to be interchangeable between different lots of the product.
I really dig the p-51 comparison. Wartime fighters were constantly being altered, upgraded, and even redesigned for different roles. I really like this explanation for variations in tie designs and adds a lot to the depth of the universe.
Yooo that’s super cool! I hope they come out and state this, it adds a lot to the universe. I also really liked how Rebels introduced an earlier model of the AT-AT. Super cool.
Super Fry if I remember right, the at-at variant in rebels was actually one that saw minimal service under the republic, but so few where built that it doesn’t really get any acknowledgement as original ya republic design
I'm pretty sure that the AT-ATs in Fallen Order are the Rebels model aswell.
Ellie Maguire we’ll fallen order does take place between rebels and revenge of the sith so it would make sense that that model is the one on service
@@wyattvanthul8893 I don' think it went into service DURING the republic era, but rather, directly after the end of it, with the plans likely being made in the waning weeks of the republic, or early months of the empire. All we know for certain is that the rebels design was at MOST, finished about 4.75 - 5 years after the fall of the republic, as Jedi Fallen order takes place 5 years after the purge.
Another thought. Since rebels takes place before rouge one, the TIE b and c models might actually be reversed. They moved away from the sleek smooth rebel model to shave more weight from the design.
I also think it fits a bit better asthetically as well from a progression viewpoint, though that may just be me.
Now, this I did not know.
Really liked and enjoyed watching this.
This was superb! Thank you for pointing this out, really clever to basically use a WW2 or even modern fighter A/B/C etc variants to represent different types of TIE's :)
Thank you eckhart for showing me to this channel I love your in depth pov on your videos Im the type pf person who always wonderd about the subtle changes in vehicles from movies and games
I would love to see a rerender of the Battle of Endor from you using all your designs!
I think it's a pitty, that this amazing space battle is visually very outdated. Most ships are just so blury and often have weird blueish looks.
Even just seeing a couple of shots from the movie being reimagined by you would be amazing!!!
Plus some visible compositing
You, my good sir, are probably the most important person in this community right now. It is incredible how much you are able to add to this world we all love. Thank you.
I think adding in little details like this (evolution of a design over time) or even just minor differences caused by different companies manufacturing things adds a lot to the lore and setting.
I always figured that the Rebels TIE was a more advanced version that never entered into general service as a result. It's pretty obvious as you watch the show that Lothal was already set up as an R&D facility for TIE development even in season 1, with the improved TIE that the Inquisitor flew introduced then and the TIE Defender being designed and built there later. It makes sense that the basic TIEs they produced were more advanced as well, and that all of the Imperial forces in the region would be equipped with that version, as Lothal was likely the planet producing replacements for them.
Given the massive number of TIEs that would need to be produced to equip the Death Stars (estimated to be 7,000-9,000 each, equivalent to a hundred or more ISDs), it only makes sense that the design would be improved in a more basic way to cut costs, and that they would become the Imperial standard, given that the destination for all of those factories was suddenly gone, leading to a massive surplus of them.
@Gaius Wyrden k.
A final “imperial” design may also have a hyperdrive and subtly explain the Rise of Skywalker tie Ben takes to exegol. Hell we know ties eventually develop hyperdrives anyway with the first order variants. This would just mean ties got light speed way sooner then we imagined.
Neeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrdddsssssssss!
@The Xenomorphian Except they aren't using the same tie fighters at all.
The first order fighter Finn and Poe steal in TFA was a two-seater with a turret! Superficially similar to the standard Imperial TIE-Ln, but definitely not the same design.
Aside from that, Hyperdrive is completely standard in rebel fighters in the original trilogy, but Tie Fighters don't get one, mostly because the ships aren't expected to operate independently. Vader's Tie had a hyperdrive and shields. presumably a lot of the big fin behind the cockpit was taken up with the extra hardware and fuel to allow longer ranged travel. Nothing says that imperial Ties -couldn't- be fitted with hyperdrives (in fact, one of the EU stories included a captured tie-fighter being fitted with a small hyperdrive module) Just that the Empire didn't like the idea of its most disposable navy assets also having the capacity to desert easily...
The rebels tie is probably just an artistic version of the default TIE, look at the phase I clones from the clone wars, they are very inaccurate but its not a new model.
Or the ridiculously long-necked Imp-1 Star Destroyers.
Except the Rebels Destroyers have the octuple turbolasers of the Imp-2...
@@paulnaughton9923 the phase 1 clone troopers from the clone wars had stormtrooper backplating with the "OII" design. It's just artistic interpretation.
I agree. The same explanation can be applied to the B1 Battle Droids in The Clone Wars. In the movies, their backpacks have two antennas whereas the TCW version only have one.
Max Eisenhardt Just look at the clone wars version of the super battle droid, it’s like a sphere with arms and legs compared to the skinny version we see in the movies
The theory about C model is pretty realistic. In real world we ve seen it with M60 Patton tank. First M60 was produced with pretty standard layout of vehicle, next it got upgraded to M60A1 mostly by giving it better turret but still pretty standard looking. Next however would be M60A2 nicknamed "starship". It got futuristic low profile turret with gun of a huge caliber and a lot of electronics- that would be our model C. It was not efficient enough especially given the cost, so the next model- M60A3 was an upgrade to M60A1 and M60A2 turret design was ditched.
Dude, I just love anything that uses your amazing 3D modelling skills
RichieAppel
I remember hearing that although Rebels was canon, the did artistic changes to bring the ship designs and character designs more like the original Ralph McQuarrie’s original series concept sketches. Take Zeb for example, he was a conceptual depiction of Chewbacca originally, before Lucas settled on the Chewbacca he gave us. They used the Chewbacca concept and created a new species for the character of Zeb. This is also why the star destroyer “necks” are longer/taller in Rebels.
finally someone other than myself knows about that
insanely great channel for these nerdy details! love it!
Missed your videos. Always entertaining
Good things take time, I guess
One of my favorite things is when manufacturers tweak designs making minor changes to get slight improvements , improving the next final product.
and this is why i like videos like they make me love star wars more and make me love this community more and more
I love your videos like this EC! They really add to the flavor of the world and make it more real. Always love when I get the bell notification for one of your videos.
Your stuff is always so brilliant. Just keep doing what you do plz.
This is really cool content, thanks. Like it was everything I hoped for when I clicked and left me being able to look back and enjoy these movies more than I could before, even if by a little bit. Thanks man.
I love your videos. Every time I watch one of them I get some new information for my headcanon.
So how do the Rogue One TIE and Classic TIE compare to the ESB and ROTJ versions? And for funs, how do they compare to the Battlefront 2 DICE model?
I have another explanation. They were supposed to look exactly the same, but the Rogue One people made some minor mistakes. And they probably said, “oh, nobody will notice,” not realizing these are Star Wars fans we’re talking about here.
It would make sense that the premier squadrons on the new Death Star would have the latest versions of TIE's as well. Love the videos man, keep it up. I would love to see you make some more fan ships, my vote, a TIE AWACS style ship, to provide radar and relay communications for TIE's operating from their carriers as well as being long range fire coordination for distant naval engagments (think WW1 artillery spotting aircraft). a TIE Prowler.
Now THIS is what i like to see in Star Wars vehicles. Makes sense lore wise. Makes sense logically.
And seeing the slight differences allows further insight to the design philosophy of what went into making vehicles.
Thank you EC Henry for feeding me yet another star wars vehicle video.
Awesome work as usual Bro! The AT-ST also has variants in canon, as it was different in ESB and RotJ. I like the ESB version a tad better :)
I didn't know I needed this.
Dude, nice video!
I would love to see more of these types of videos. I admit, I would like to see some type of series.
Have a great day!
Lucasfilm retconned the lore around the A-Wing, adding a designation for the Droids version (The R-22 Spearhead) having a design lineage for the TIE/ln would be neat.
I love these type of comparisons.
I never even notice! This is cool!
Now I would love to see a comparison of the D with the one shown in the sequel trilogy. 😁 Missed opportunity for this video, in my opinion.
That should be a whole separate video. This was more about the TIEs that everyone thinks are exactly identical not actually being identical. Everyone knows the TIEs in the sequel trilogy are a little different.
I never noticed and still think it’s irrelevant. The ties have always looked a bit different.
Michael Orourke the empire produced at least 20 different tie fighter variants including the defender elite in current prime continuity
You should collaborate with Junkball Media on one of these deep dive comparisons. I love your technical approach, and his purposeful over-analysis of things like the thickness of the NCC-1701's neck or the model of highlighter used to add pods to the New Orleans class would be a fun video.
This is absolutely excellent and touches on something that must be included in any science fiction or fantasy that's being honest about its military technology curves.
Really enjoyed the video man! Keep up the awesome work
I quite like this! It definitely does add more texture to the universe, and makes sense in tons of ways.
Nice, You get mad props from me for knowing about the P-51H, man
Great analytical work, as always
I like this fan theory, as it's a great way of explaining the differences. Also interesting note: when viewed from the inside, the canopy was rotated slightly in ANH. Rogue One continued this trend by rotating the canopy for interior shots. Great work EC
As always another awesome video. I never noticed the difference between the Rogue One TIE vs the original trilogy TIE. I love your use of the WWII planes. Some of favorite military planes are from that error. I crossed an item off my bucket list when I took a flight in a B-17 bomber.
Holy crap this is mind blowing! Good work! However, I would’ve gone for TIE/LN Mk.1-4 instead of A-D.
This video makes me really excited. I am a big nerd when it comes to military technology, and I love how a single design changed based on anything from tech updates to even manufacturing preferences from different companies or entities. I love the P51 analogy too. That said, that is nothing compared to the insanity of the endless family tree that is the M4 Sherman (look up the website Sherman Minutiae, and maybe grab a snack beforehand).
I absolutely love the differences between the TIEs and the "in universe" theories about why they are different. I agree that the differences do lend to a more realistic nuance to the series.
This makes so much sense actually. To make it even better, other ships in Star Wars also show this kind of updates as well, since ANH Star destroyers and Star destroyers in Empire are different models as well, with the ones in Empire being more advanced. The T-65 X Wing and the later T-70 X wings also exemplify this. Even the small arms in the films reflect this change as well.
I never noticed. Yet another great presentation!
It could be that they’re just produced by different shipyards and made subtly different due to different assembly lines and subcontractors.
Hey Henry can we see a video on Macross's Variable Fighters.
I didn't even know there was a difference until I got recommended this video.
This was awesome and fascinating please do more coming from a staunch Imperial supporter !!!
It gives a realistic texture to a world, where space flying fighters have wings are piloted by people and are aerodynamic.
Also makes sense that the Empire would station these better TIEs at high priority locations like the Death Star.
@@lac3y1988 still, the death star was more important
@@lac3y1988 Think: DoD contractor lab. Yes, there's a security guard out front and you need codes and passcards to get anywhere, but there aren't a bunch of high end military pieces laying around, just those few security guards out front. The AT-ATs in RO are actually modified to carry cargo, as the threat of ground assault wasn't huge. And Scariff was seen as a more relaxed "vacation" post for soldiers and officers, similar to being station in Hawaii or some atoll in the Pacific. So it would make sense that it would be relatively less well guarded. That planetary shield was supposed to take care of anything the Rebels might throw at it.
@@BillKermanKSP Yep. The Death Star was like a carrier battle group. It had the best technology the Navy could throw at it. Scariff was more like a DoD lab in the South Pacific. Lightly guarded and laid back.
@@robbhays8077 AT-ACT *
@@robbhays8077 Wait..... Hawaii could honestly be easily seen as the real world counterpart to Scarif. Both might've been considered laid back "vacation" places for on duty soldiers (at least if my experience watching old WW2 movies like "In Harms Way" is anything to go off of), but both were also considered highly important military operations, with, to my knowledge, Peal Harbor being pretty much the home base for most, if not all, of the conflict in the pacific theater. Its honestly a perfect fit, with exceptions of Hawaii not being a dedicated library like citadel, unlike Scarif, which very well could've had backups of every single imperial code, procedure, strategy, blueprint, and more.
Awesome detail I I had absolutely no idea existed!
3:06 nah the people who made Star Wars Rebels said that the Star Destroyers (long neck) and Tie Fighter (short wings big cockpit ball) are just different because of artistic choices in the animated show(they made them look like the original Ralph McQuarrie sketches before he refined them) and in reality they look exactly like the models that show up on the movies. Fantasy Flight makes cards and models of ships that show up in Star Wars Rebels and they draw the space craft looking like the movie version and not how they look in the show.
Imagine watching a movie with ur wife and spotting all the mistakes with some models In the first 5 mins
My theory is that because these TIE’s were stationed on Scarif, they were the result of of special or custom designs to match the planet environment (similar to the TIE striker.) Maybe they would have been more fragile or made using cheaper materials because they were specialized for patrolling Scarif, not maybe more heavily armed imperial bases or space flight. Maybe the skinnier design could have also helped with atmospheric flight
I like your speculation a lot, but I always chock the Rebels TIE up to artistic license, and I like the depiction.
Well I don't think that they were variants. I noticed the "small canopy" in the trailer, but the Outland TIE Fighter that Moff Gideon himself used has the same appearance as the rogue one model. So I think the TIE Fighter has been simply "refreshed" by the rogue one design team.
I would love a video on the Hoth AT-ST model vs. the ROTJ one. The differences are a lot more pronounced. There's also minor differences between the AT-ATs in the two classic movies. And the dward spider droid sports a bulked up cannon in ROTS. A lot of small things the designers like to tinker with from movie to movie.
I saw a discussion about this on Fractalsponge's Discord channel, and they seem to agree the differences are best explained as changes that occur during different production blocks, like your comparison to the P-51 production blocks.
That was always my headcanon for the rebels TIE I’m glad to see that the rest of canon actually seems to support the idea of incremental TIE/LN developmental evolution
This makes perfect sense. A P51 and a P51C-10 are essentially the same plane. Both iconic P51 mustangs but with notable exact structural and mechanical differences. Also not to mention the BF109* A-F series which all have many differences between models.
Hey Henry, could you make a video about the tanks in Star Wars?
And if possible, make the supreme Star Wars MBT.
I love detailed engineering chronology like this, makes the SW verse that much more alive.
Considering there's a TIE Fighter cameo in Attack of the Clones, I like to think that it was the earliest prototype. So maybe that could be the A-model, which after a couple of finishing touches is further used in the Clone Wars for combat tests as the yet indistinct B-model, which then serves in a small capacity in the first few years of Imperial rule. Then up until the Battle of Scarrif, we have the standard C-model or "Rogue One TIE Fighter", which is being phased out by D around the time of the Battle of Yavin. And then, after the Battle of Endor, we get a standard post-war E-model used by the Remnant, and then with the Rise of the First Order, there are a couple of intermediary designs before the standard First Order H-model seen in the Sequels.
The TIE-Interceptor is still my favorite version of the ship
you should´ve also mentioned other WW2 fighters, especially the Bf109. sometimes you cant tell them apart but are very different.
This is why EC henry is my favorite Star Wars fanon ship creator
I'd always like to see more of the things you do :)
I was watching this video and just had a thought.
The X-Wings full Classification is the T-65B X-Wing Starfighter. We know that years later there was the T-70 X-Wing...if that's the case, then what was the original T-65 X-Wing, the one that existed before the 'B' was added to the name? Food for thought.
TIL that EC Henry knows about the P-51H.
Makes sense to have different variants.
In the guide to vehicles, there is even an note explaining that early models had a single power plant outputing to both weapons and thrusters, but that it was changed due to problems this caused in dogfights.
Love it. Another comparison is the Willys Jeep… made by Willys, Ford, Kaiser, Jeep, and also licences out to Mitsubishi in post-WW2 Japan. All had their own variations over the years. OF course a GALACTIC EMPIRE would subcontract a general design to various companies who had to make acceptable design/production changes along the way, based on supply chains, resource availability (this one has a durasteel frame, that one has a tritanium [or tritanalium] frame) especially during wartime.
The TIE fighter owners workshop manual even mentions a weapons upgrade from the SFS-Ls1 laser Canon to the SFS-Ls7.2 within the TIE/in's lifespan. so that would be consistent, although we only see changes in the weapons housing, the guns themselves aren't reallj visible from the exterior.
You should do a video on what an imperial starship (capital ship) would both look and function like were you to design it. Essentially, a brand new ship from the ground up. No triangular style ships. (unless of course that truly is the design you would have gone with if you were designing imperial ships.) Could be interesting. :D
(Eventually you could even design an entire imperial fleet. All your own designs. So like, frigates, corvettes, ETC, ETC. That would be super cool!)
I love Your headcanon theories, they are more thought out than a lot of canon stuff.
I would love to see You touch the subject of inconsistencies about y-wing and b-wing, how it's said in disney canon that b-wing is slower and less maneuverable, yet it's MGLT is much higher than the official y-wing numbers and it's maneuverability rating from legends is higher. Also how a starfighter over 30 years newer would be less maneuverable than the old stuff
I don't know why I keep coming back to this video other than being fascinated by the minor differences between the TIE Fighters in *_Rogue One_* and the TIEs from the original trilogy.
BTW I don't think you'll do this one, EC Henry, but could you maybe do a video on how well the LEGO TIE Fighters portray different versions from the OT era? Because I feel like the 2012 and 2021 TIE Fighter (9492 and 75300) very much resemble the *_Rogue One_* version and the 2018 version (75211) almost resembles the OT.
Cool vid I like this little difference look of the tie fighter please do more vids like this I’d love to see more I’m sure Star Wars has a lot you could do
After "TIE/ln D" comes "TIE"
_Extremely_ cheesy math joke
Always want to see more!
Love your ship videos, man!!
And don't forget- Scarif was a backwater posting. They would likely have older models in general, (like reserve units have in the real world); the Death Star would have the most cutting edge model.
I mean, Scarif wasn't really a backwater that's kinda like saying that Groom Lake (closest equivalent I could think of) is a backwater posting
@@demanischaffer Yes, it was. There's a reason the command staff (as well as the military command) were completely incompetent. Remember, the whole point is it wasn't supposed to be known nor draw any attention to it. Ergo, the military personnel who get sent to the middle of nowhere to twiddle there thumbs so the intellectuals feel safe are not the 501st... (See also- The Maw)
Besides, Groom Lake is not where the best military personnel are assigned; SURE, if you're a techie or scientist, might be fine. But standing guard over a bunch of lab techs in the middle of the desert 20 miles from the nearest town (presuming you're even allowed off post) is not an assignment you see grunts clamoring for.
@@Sephiroth144 In lore Scarif was seen as the sort retirement home of officers and a desired post for Stormtroopers as it was a tropical paradise where only the best troopers got rotated too
Good stuff that I never knew about before. Keep it up. 👍
Funny you should bring up the P-51 and its various models, there was actually a fully realised dive bomber/ground attack version of the P-51 developed in 1942 designated the A-36 Apache
By the way @EC Henry, if you ever want to do a video on the early Empire AT-AT seen in Star Wars Rebels, hit me up! I have the model of it they used in Jedi Fallen Order I can give you. It's to scale with the ESB AT-AT that's also in the game files. I've done some analysis of the model myself but would love it if you gave it some more attention!
It’s really cool because they feel like something that came from the Clone Wars. They share a lot of the design language from Early Empire / late Clone Wars vehicles. It's also a lot bigger than the model used in ESB and even has anti air! Something the ESB model notoriously lacked.
This could also go a ways to explain the TIEs seen in The Mandalorian; particularly Moff Gideon's, which have folding wings.
Brooooo you have opened my eyes!
Ahsoka confirms that the rebels TIE is just very stylised