Upgrading My Brakes! Shigura Brake Conversion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 เม.ย. 2020
- Will a Shimano lever work on a Magura brake caliper? Today we set off to install them and find out how they feel!
Below are links for everything you may need for the conversion. Amazon hooks me up with a buck or two if you buy through the link:
XT Brake Levers (old style): amzn.to/3b4MZ1z
XT Brake Levers (new style): amzn.to/3b4MZ1z
Bleed Kit: amzn.to/2V4oRqn
Magura Royal Blood: amzn.to/3cew90s
XT Bolt Unit: amzn.to/2V2D1If
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the transitions in this video haha, awesome work Drew. Learned a lot from this one.
Thanks bro!
Hey Drew, really great detailed explanation on how the Shigura works! I’m actually drifting towards the Shigura because my master cylinder on the MT7 lever broke...
Shigura for the win! Im in Love with my Shigura Brakes. I ride Shimano Saint Levers with Magura MT 5/7 Calippers.
Its just soo perfect.
Greetings from the very steep alpine Trails.
jodama
jodama Glad someone else likes them! I bet the saint levers is a good combo. Enjoy those trails out there!
I also have a set of MT7’s and I’m also thinking of using Saint lever. Will you be able to give me a detailed information on parts that you used? Thank you!!!
Great editing!!
Transitions on fire 🔥
Awesome video 👌
Thx 4 posting
i litearlly dont understand why people say shimano brakes are on off, i've used both sram and shimano, its all about how used to the brakes you are, i can modulate just fine on both
Bike check next? And also nice stumpy, so far I've had a good experience with mine but I also would like better brakes cuz mine are a little to squishy. keep it up bro.
On a new bike build would you just do full M8120? I was gonna go with magura Mt5 but didn't realize their levers are sloppy and easy to break. don't know if interested in hacking new brakes immediately.. thinking 8120 203/180 is the way.. (only for MI singletrack, longest decent is 3min)
Nice!
This is a very fun video. Нou learned to do editing very well. But when people open video like that, they expect to see the tutorial :)
Did the same thing but with magura mt sport caliper and shimano m4100 lever and gave it a good bleed with magura royal blood. It comletely failed, brakes are bearly braking and dont work properly.
Dammit I wanted to do the Shigura setup because I thought I would get that typical Shimano feel but with more braking power because of the MT7 calipers!!!
i just saw he has the same bled kit i also have
Well I was sort of right, you are changing something about your no-go fast levers
I just did this to my bike. I like the feel of the Shimano levers much better & seems to allow for a better shifter / Dropper lever set up as well.
Brakes definitely bit a lot faster than with the magura levers. Took about 1/2 a ride to get used to, but Im thinking I like it much better!!
Did the same 3 weeks ago with XT levers on MT5 calipers! Can't wait to try it on trails.
What's your though since you've ride it?
what's your experience for now? Would you recommend it?
@@ohdeoli for sure! 2 sessions since this change, on steep or fast trails, it's still powerful and reliable 👌
@@guiyomeee I know it's a late reply, but I'm considering the same transitolion right now, how does it stack up against other brakes you may have tried?!
@@matthiasfalzon9354 Hi ! Compared to my previous Saint or Zee, I would say it has much power, but same fine touch with Shimano levers.
Now I'm on full Magura MT7 and I miss only the Shimano bleeding process.
Is there too much diference between shimano and magura lever ?? If i like the high modulation from magura do you recomend me to do the swap to the shimano lever ??
Sick
Does mtb disc calliper fits road bike? Sorry for silly question but im just curios😬
Few years ago i combined shimano levers with tetkro calipers. And it stops..
What rotors are you using???
Can I use shimano levers with tektro calipers????
nice video, thanks for sharing!
How did they hold up so far?
btw: i think the forgot an 'h' in your surname. greetings from germany ;)
Just found your channel. Good stuff. Thinking of doing this to my sons bike. The Maguras are a bit finicky. Worth it??
DadMTB hey! Love your channel name. I think it was worth it. I’ve put a lot more riding on them since the video and really like the lever feel. Took another bleed to get them feeling firm
Drew Blankenbecler thx man! My name is a play on my sons channel name, OneMTB. His editing style is a little like yours. You should check him out. You’ll like it. I guarantee.
@@jjr1314 Left him a comment!
How are Magura brakes with Shimano rotors? As there is a 0.2mm difference in thickness.
Is this combo something your going to keep on the bike for the season or was it just an experiment?
Jonathan Angieri I’m planning on keeping them on unless they start acting up. Feel pretty solid so far!
Hi Drew, thanks for the vid. Wondering if you could help: My Levo came with SLX breaks, just a month ago I have updated the disks. But still is not what I want. and wondering if buying the m5 callipers only and replacing them in the bike current setup, would this setup work. So, thinking to keep all the system on, cut the cable next to the calliper, and replace for the M5s. What do you think?
Do you have 4piston shimanos? If those don't stop you, you have a problem with pads or bleeding
@@notparanoid912 moved to Magura.
I’m m just looking into this mod with Shimano levers!
What olives and inserts did you use ??all Shimano or Shimano/Magura?
Hey! I used shimano barb and olive
I did the conversion and the brake is constant it’s almost like no modulation like you said on your video also it’s leaking on the compression bolt I’m using the mt7 and saint lever
Use Shimano nut
Would be good to break down the bits used, presumably it's shimano olives..?
MR.B 🐐🐐
HI does,
Shimanno rotor fits perfectly with Magura Caliper
yes it will
Quick question, are you using the Shimano insert and olive? I've heard that the Shimano insert tends to leak in the magura hose but the magura insert looks like it won't fit in the Shimano brake lever. You've had no problems?
fjallmuppen I used the Shimano insert and olive. Been running the set up for a while now. Not had and leaking. Brakes havnt needed bleeding
I used the shimano olive and barb. They seemed to fit in the hose snug. I have heard others running the magura barb though and think thats a good idea.
Why didn't he spray the Magura caliper bling orange?
I love your editing style! What's the music at 1:22?
That one is: Green monster is so refresh - Seoul June
@@drew.blanks Thank you! I love your videos! Keep up the great work!
still using shigura's? what's your long term review for it? was thinking of changing my stock guide rs to these.
Mark John Arriba hey! I ended up having a few problems with them. They needed to be bled a lot and ended up developing a leak. Also it made aligning the rotor really right because the tolerance was so little. I ended up going with another brake set
How have you been liking your stumpy? I love mine but really need to swap out the brakes. Those guide Rs are not the move at places like Pine lol.
Man, I love mine! Nice brakes make any bike better. I recently threw a cascade components link on the rear of my stumpy. You should check it out- makes a big difference
@@drew.blanks Oh yeah! I don't know if you know Hunter from the KSU team but he installed one on his as well and was telling me about it. I'll probably get one eventually. They're a little pricey. One thing I did that really improved the stability is installed an offset shock bushing. It slackened the head angle by 0.75° and lowered the bb a little. I also kinda want to bump the fork up to 160mm but I'm afraid that'll slacken the seat angle too much.
Hi. Did the new shimano XT lever comes with a new brake hose rubber cover?
Yep, they came with the plastic covers. Did not come with olive or the bolt though
@@drew.blanks thanks for replying brother.
I have the shimano 8120 and i want to install the mt5 caliper which connector(bold unit) set do i need?
Im sure sure you can use the shimano hose..The best way to do it is using a shimano brake lever, magura barb, olive, hose and caliper
Are the hose nuts that screw into the outlet ports on the levers to hold
the hose onto the levers the same thread size for both Magura and
Shimano? I have Magura brakes on the bike and am switching the levers
to Shimano BL-M8000 but the levers don't come with hose nuts. Are the
Magura hose nuts the same thread size? Can't find any info on line.
They have different diameter and thread pitch
Hey! I used shimano barb and olive. As well as the shimano nut that holds them on
Hi! How do you feel? Which has "bigger" power ? The original MT7 levers or with the Shimano levers ?
Kálmán Horváth the power itself feels the exact same. I definitely prefer the feel of the shimano lever though. It is a lot smaller and feels great with 1 finger braking
@@drew.blanks Thank you! I need change my levers, because I broken my mt5 lever. I use the new SLX M7100 levers (I know its full same as XT), I'm already looking forward to what it will be like.
@@zabolatlan_nyekenyoka1291 Cool! I ended up having to bleed them a second time after a few miles and the lever feel got alot firmer. Let me know what you think!
hi, I'm Ismael from chile, great job with this mechanic tip, but i got a few question's to do.
how mineral oil can be use it in both brands, knowing the mineral oil are diferent.
magura use BLUE royal mineral oil and shimano use mineral oil.
do you compare both label and study the heating point?
i ask this beacuse i'm getting started with the same proyect thing that you do.
i'm so exhausted from use sram brakes, and your video iluminated me to do that.
and for another question, where do you get it the information??
i hope you can answer mis questions.
bless
A little too late, but maybe it will help others.
Unlike DOT, mineral oil can be used interchangeably. Magura will void your warranty tho. Yes, the boiling point is slighty different, but it is unlikeley to reach that temperature anyway. I use a 3rd party mineral oil in my brakes and never failed me so far.
Any mineral oil brake lever is theoretically compatible with any mineral oil caliper, but the volume of fluid moved might be different. If you want a more "on-off" feel, look for a lever with a bigger volume and/or a ramp (like shimano mt501 -> xtr). If you want a longer throw, look for longer lever and/or lower lever piston volume.
Consider changing the material of the brakepads, there are 4 main marterials you can choose from: resin, semimetalic, ceramic and metalic. They drasticly change the brake feel. The same with de diameter of the rotor.
Tyres: the brake component few talk about. If you skid with front tyre on grippy terrain, you don't have powerful brakes, you have bad tyres.
Hope it helps, happy trails 🤙🏻
Hi it is possible to use Shimano oil for Shigura conversion and not Royal Blue?
I want to know that too
is this price oke? for a hope 203 rotor ? 75.99 € euro ?
Do you think a Shimano brake lever will work with Hope Brake calipers ?
Resh I don’t think that would work as shimano/Magura use mineral oil. And hope uses dot 5.1 brake fluid. Never know though!
You did not changed the brake tubes ? You used the Magura tube on a Shimano lever ?
Yes, magura brake line, shimano lever
Same opinion on the Ergonomie and Modulation! Iw combined xtr 9120 levers and magura mt7 brake calipers, with shimano xtr frezza rotors! The issue that i have even after the perfect bleed and even getting all 4 caliperes out at once i dont have any space at all betwen the Rotor and the brake pads 🙈
Do you have maybe a solution for this from your own expirience
Thank you 🙏
Tedi Debelić I found that to be a problem as well with my Xt levers. At the beginning I had no rub but after a few bleeds the pads were extremely hard to align. I ended up going back to Magura levers :/
@@drew.blanks thx for knowing im not the only one with the issue 😊😅🙏! Iw put now organic pads which helpd a bit to be honest after breaking them in but they space is still quit narrow between the pads and the Rotor, the breaking Power is insane and the Modulation is getting better 😅! Gonna try few laps in Leogang the next days and decide if im gonna leave it or get xt 4 calipers 🙈😅
Hi...what kind of oil will I have to use if I go shimino levers with magura cables and callipers???
Hey! I used magura "Royal Blood" oil.
Cheers for that, have you done the the shimino magura set up too? If so what levers would you say is best to use?
Did you use shimano or magura locking nut? Thanks
Shimano
I'm about to do this! Did you use the shimano barb in the magura hose? Or do i have to still use a magura barb? It's hard to find that info thanks!
Hey! I used both the shimano barb and olive. I worked great for the first few months, but one lever eventually started leaking a little fluid. I ended up putting the magura levers back on, since I was in a bit of a rush at the time. If I did it again, I would try using the magura barb and olive. Sorry I can't give a definite answer!
Drew Blankenbecler upon more reading I think the nano connector at the other end is the same. I’d give the shimano brake hose a try that’s probably what I’ll be doing
Drew Blankenbecler okay so I think I figured it out. Most shimano barbs are made for an inner diameter hose of 2.1mm. The inner diameter of a magura hose is 2.3mm. The outer diameter of both is 5mm. So if you use the magura barb with the shimano olive that should prevent your issue with it leaking at the lever!
Michael Hosanee thanks for sharing that info! That’s great to know
@@Micmic88854 did you go with shiguras? how are they and were there any leaks
Magura or Shimano hose? What do you recommend?
Magurs have special hoses you have to use them
Just replaced a broken damn plastic magura lever... Wish I saw this one week ago.
Seriously, the lower end magura levers are totally non-durable, made from paper mache but they feel great on the pull.
The french fries LOLLLLLLLLLLL
It's worth mentioning that Magura Royal blood fluid has about only %50 of the boiling point of Shimano mineral oil. I remember that it was around °250 for Royal blood vs °495-500 for Shimano mineral oil! If modulation is what you're looking for, why didn't you go all Shimano Saints?!! I've them, and they're the best I've ever had! They got everything you're looking for, ...super power, super modulation...you name it! I hope this conversion doesn't cause you any major problems in the future.
I learned something new about the boiling point... I guess time will tell for the brakes. So far, so good!
@@drew.blanks even though, Loic Bruni uses full on Magura, and he's fast as hell! But, it was worth sharing thoughts on it.
I read that article that said boiling point of Shimano oil was 530°C but I don't believe it's correct. Shimano oil is only specified as >200°C on the MSDS data sheet, not an exact figure. Would've thought it'd be very similar to Magura's Royal Blood at 250°C.
@@45graham45 Shimano has as far as I know also around 250c but trickstufff bionol has a boiling point of around 320c and is also thinner( makes a better brake feel according to riding buddy)
@@notparanoid912 Shimano initial boiling point is listed only as >200°C, Trickstuff is 300°C. Shimano kinetic viscosity is 8.0 cS @ 40°C, Trickstuff is 8.56 cS. So Shimano is marginally thinner than Trickstuff, so your mate is imagining things - or his brakes simply feel better because he replaced dirty fluid with clean.
Is Shimano Mineral Oil compatible with the Magura Caliper?
Yes
Yes both shimano and magura use mineral oil. Id suggest using all of the same type/brand of mineral oil, and not to mix them though
Would you say they have the same overall power as the Magura
Same power. The lever feel is just a little different
Drew Blankenbecler I just fitted my MT7’s and I’m just slightly disappointed with the lever bite adjust seeing how it does not really vary the bite point at all, and I’m wondering if I will benefit from just an overall more sturdy lever
is this good for one finger lol because my shimano lever is 2 and when i pull up for a wheelie i always smash my fingers
wheelie_peter yep! These are super powerful. 1 finger is all you need
Using any brake with two fingers is incorrect. There is no need to. Even when lever is for 2 fingers you can move handle a bit and use it with one finger on tip.
@@jeffryLebovsky yeah i know because whenever anyone uses a break that is week it will hit the rest of the fingers
@@jeffryLebovsky i think not. if his brakes aren't powerful enough, then whats he going to do, die? i have to use my whole hand to stop.
@bananas stuff it meens that your brakes doesn't work. Take some alcohol, clean your discs(or rims), take your pads off and boil it in water, this steps will help to remove any oil or grease from braking surfaces. Adjust brake handles for 1 finger use(you must be pulling with second phalanx), and position pads correctly. If it is hydraulic - rebleed it, if it is mechanical - check the cable and casing, add few drops of oil in casing if it is needed for better slide. Brakes are still weak? You can play with different types of pads, buy bigger discs. Even cheapest shimano mechanical disc brakes with 160 rotors can stop me in wheelie with one finger.
DId you use the Shimano or Magura olive and barb?
SagNeinZurDreifaltigkeit SagNeinZurDreifaltigkeit I used the shimano barb and olive
@@drew.blanks And the hose in which you inserted the barb was from Magura?
@@receptayyip1410 Yep, Magura hose
@@drew.blanks I have done the same thing but I struggle with leaking where the hose is conected to the lever. Have you experienced that? I might need to use a magura barb.
Vegard Voll Bøyum Yes. I experienced a little leakage on one side. After doing more research it seems that the best way to do the swap is with a Magura barb
Hey Drew, how are they holding up after 3 months?
They held up great for a month, then I had a hard time keeping them bled. They started leaking fluid from the lever. I think this is because I used a shimano barb, instead of a magura. I ended up swapping them back- so I can't say much more now
@@drew.blanks thanks! I'm thinking of making a pair for my next bike...
@@lolimpol I loved the feeling of them! I think with the right barb they'd be reliable
@@drew.blanks how did the modulation compare to magura and were u using the 1-finger lever on magura before?
W B modulation is about the same. Shimano levers were a slightly softer feel. And yeah I used 1 finger on both
Did you use magura oil only?
C50DRAG yeah. Magura “royal blood” fluid is just fancy mineral oil. That’s what I used
@@drew.blanks
Fancy mineral oil.ok,but have you check the viscosity of Shimano and magura oils?they are different.
The reason that i ask is because i use m9100 levers and magura mt4 calipers.
I have been advised to use only magura oil due to viscosity.with Shimano red oil magura calipers tend to leak from the pistons.
alot of comment said the magura master cylinder is easy to broke...what a sad 🥺
I am doing this with a zee lever on my mt5 brakes. Does anyone know if i need to use a shimano or magura barb with the shimano olive?
Sweet! You'll need a shimano barb
@@drew.blanks I've read I need a Magura gold barb with a shimano olive as the magura brake hoses have larger diameter?
@@UntoTheLocust I used both a shimano olive and barb
@@drew.blanks I did the mod today, I ended up using the 2.3 magura barb as when looking at the hose is say magura 2.2. Fitted quite nicely to be honest, shimano olive and union. Gave it a bleed and it's working mint! It was to replace my broken magura rear lever. I'm going to order the front now! Thanks for you video though mate! Top job 👌👌
@@UntoTheLocust Right on! Great to know that info. Thanks man
yoo @drew, i've got a m8120 brakes, and i want to change caliper to mt7, so banjo from shimano fits to magura caliper?
Really wanted to see the watch:/
Will Edwards :/ you can check them out at Walmart... like 10 bucks too
@@drew.blanks Ahh just messin around. I wear a cheap one too, because wearing a nice watch while doing work and riding isnt smart. As long as it tells time and is cheap it works for me. And they're practically indestructable!
@@willedwards9136 You know what's up!
Magura oil or Shimano oil ?
I used magura royal blood
Magura or shimano breakhouse ? Or does it not matter :)
I used the magura hose
@@drew.blanks thanks,
if anyone was wondering the laptop says 'tiger king leaves out information about joe exotic and his husbands'.
Why everyone says Shigura?
SHIMAGURA is much more organic combo of both names
I like the idea. But shigura is shorter, straight to the pont and more powerfull word. Sound like "stop right now you piece of shit" just in original japanes language.
ppl dont want to include 1 name fully and the other only partly
There is an annoying discrepancy in loudness between the music and your speech.
Another new bike? Bruh