Are these the most powerful brakes in the world?
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Are Shi-gura brakes more powerful than the Trickstuff Maxima brakes? The internet seems to think so! Let's find out!
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The harder you pull the lever the more braking power you get is exactly how brakes are supposed to work....
Not necessarily
@@aaroncampbell1617 but thats how it works doe
@@aaroncampbell1617 please enlighten me then.
I personally also prefer the on/off feel on my bikes
@@aaroncampbell1617 oh my sweet summer child...
It's not modulation the thing you didn't like, it's actually brake power. Those brakes had too much power for you. If the brakes didn't have modulation you would have no way to slow down without skidding. To make them less prone to overbrake without changing brakes, I would have just put smaller rotors or changed the pad compound. But Shigura is def a better value proposition.
Here, I thought sarcasm was only lost on dogs and little kids....
@@kevinstevenson7389 Hey Kevin, I didn't catch the fact that he meant it ironically. Probably a lot of people didn't either since my comment got a few upvotes. Watching it again, I'm pretty sure he meant it seriously but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the snark though.
Some people prefer the on/off feeling instead of modulation
@@alexisonbike3652 I agree. I'm more in the Shimano camp, I like that instant feel. But the problem he had was the opposite. He panic braked and sent too much braking power to the wheels. If anything he's missing MORE modulation.
I agree. I had to downsize my front rotors to 180 on my Enduro for this reason
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No, you didn't "experience brake modulation", you simply pulled the lever too hard and had your center of gravity in the wrong place for the given time. Brake modulation doesn't mean the relative increase in force that the pistons push out at as you pull the lever further in. The modulation means how much "squish" there is that can be controlled before the wheel locks. And for the rider, brake modulation means the physical ability to be precise with the brakes and being able to control the braking force with your fingers, instead of locking the wheels every time you brake.
Someone understands
This guy gets it.
With the right body position you are never going otb from brakes alone with modern geo. Your wheel will lock up and slide well before you flip.
THANK YOU i thought i was alone!
@@brianharris4144 exactly, i can lean back and slam front and back brakes and just slide without going OTB
dude u are speaking fax
man i love yo videos, even if youre a small youtuber, you still give in one of top tier content, like you explaining stuff feels rlly easy to understand and it feels relaxing
That's the proper way to naturally grow subscription, in my view!
Thank you for the way you did the sponsor message. Loved the way you worked on the other half of the screen! 🤘
Nice video. Shigura for the win. Have this setup on 2 of my rigs, (one two pot setup and one four pot setup). I use 9210s on my 4 pots because servowave ftw. It doesn't really matter which calipers you use (get the cheapest ones!), and it doesn't matter which brake fluid or lines you use. Highly recommend bleeding using a syringe on the top side and back-bleeding through the magura calipers for best results. Also, don't connect the caliper to the frame until the bleed is complete so you can get the air pocket that likes to get stuck in there.
Do you mean you can use any magura calipers for this and would work as well? Im curious to try but the price sets me off )
@@PanaehaliTut technically yes
@@PanaehaliTut
Just buy a set of mt5s + m8120 xt levers and sell the unused new mt5 levers.
@@PanaehaliTut You can try MT5 and Deore Lever, too. Does work well if im not mistaken and isn't pricey at all if you compare it. But after a while of riding Shigura, I actually have to say that I like the feel of the MT5 and the 1 finger lever and the feel of the MT7 with the standard lever a bit better. But both is really good.
@@PanaehaliTut I have tried two pot Shimano levers with two pot magura calipers and found them to be massively more powerful than Shimano calipers. Same for 4 pots. Not sure about crossing 4 pot calipers with 2 pot levers but the author of this fine video seems to prefer this setup.
Man i love the new camera set up on the bike! Keep it up man I remember when you were at 7k subscribers and now your at almost 50k. So proud man, keep going! 👍
Brake modulation means you have more control of the braking power, pulling lightly will give weak braking, pulling hard will give hard braking, a braking system with good modulation is what most riders are looking for although there are some riders who prefer a harder bite with less modulation like the Shimano XT brakes
Modulation is where it's at. I don't see the benefit of having an on off brake switch.
Yes and servowave is the opposite of modulation. Its entire purpose is to quickly ramp up power.
@@dougsrosen beats the heck out of me lol, maybe weak fingers? the biggest problem with grabby brakes is its too easy to lock the front wheel if you decide to use any front brake while cornering which always results in a crash, bad recipe for novice riders
@@tylerbruce5731 no that's still modulation. Just a mechanical assist.
@@MTBfixHQ yep. More modulation equals less lockups. Unless you have your brakes sooo weak you can't lock em up. Which technically means you're underbraked
Excellent video. Love how the ad doesn't interrupt the content using PIP. Great 80s electronic music. I too run Shigura but to a lesser extent of Frankensteinism (Deore XT brake levers/calipers with Magura Storm SL.2 rotors.
That's just Shimano with Magura rotors. Shigura is literally only when you connect Magura brake caliper with Shimano master cylinder.
all the setoff the prev and setup the new ones, thank you sir for all the time you spent on this videos.
Dude love to see you work this. Did it myself about 3 years ago when I had two broken sets of shimanos and maguras. Def a bit of a franken but way better. Best of both worlds.
Leverage curve and curve in the lever are not the same concept. A leverage curve is in reference the force, depicted by an x/y graph. A curve in the lever is a bend in the piece of metal. I have a similar setup on the way but using saint levers (edited because I misspelled depicted)
i like that the content didn't stop for the plug ... side by side was amazing !!
Massive fan of your videdos! Keep up the good work!
Nice video. Did it on my bike after having master cylinder seals issues on my MT7s due to crashes. Bought a pair of XT 8120 levers and never looked back. Amazing feeling and enough power to stop my fat ass.
nice video man, seeing it from brazil and i want to se more crazy things like these
Great video as always
Brilliant video mate 👍
Awesome content Evan Love your videos! Keep it Going!🔥👍
If you want to swap the cover over without cutting the cable, you can ‘crush’ the olive with pliers to break it off, slide everything off, and then put the correct covers on and connect back up, if your careful you won’t lose any fluid and won’t need to rebleed
I ride angelfire and have ridden saints XT 4 pots and magura MT 7.
After many years I have finally settled with a saint lever & MT 7
Love it!!
How the saint lever feel and perfomance??
Never heard of this till now, but I have used Shimano Brakes and Magura rotors before. Works good 👍🏻
Magura makes a model called the mt thirty for $96, which has the same caliper as the mt7. Not only that but it comes with the performance pads. Best value for upgrading your 2 pot shimanos imo.
I have the MT Thirty and they are very solid
@@robertobravi5426 this man knows what's up
Adam you made the video with your comment (again!) I feel like you've given me so many great ideas for the channel, so thank you very much dude. As for the caliper, I wanted that gun metal grey to match the XTR 😍
@@EvansMTBSaga of course, glad to be of service! The gray with thr xtr lever and mt7 caliper looks sick!
I had to like your post and give you a comment. I have the MT Thrity's on one of my bikes with 180 mm rotors front and rear. Love them. I don't think a lot of people know about them since they are not listed on Magura's website. Boy do they work like crazy though.. Adding a good Shimano lever to them would only make them better and save some $$$, which is a great thing right now.
I've been running MT5 callipers and Deore levers for a few years on my dh bike and they are awesome. I put Saint's on my ebike last July and the pistons have failed on them already so the calipers will be getting swapped for Magura's.
Which Deore levers you have? M6100?
Man I have been watching you’re vids for a while and you have improved to making some of the best quality films I have seen in a while. I love you’re honesty and experiments, keep up the great work.
I am also running a ShiGura brakes on my bike after braking 2 Magura lever. Immediately I feel the braking power improved drastically.
i did this too, both my maruga levers broke in the first year. so i put deore xt levers on it felt great
I bought a set of Magura Mt5 trail sport . The front brake is 4 piston, the rear 2 pistons. Rolled back in 2021, without mountains and steep descents. Regularly serviced, pumped with the original liquid. This year, on the front brake of 4 pistons, one began to climb out more than the others. and pressed the rotor with a skew to the brake housing. I cleaned the pistons, lubricated them, pumped them again-nothing helped-as the pads worked crookedly, it didn't get any better.
Rear brake: the pistons come out unevenly - one goes further, and the other lags behind. One pad rubs on the disk, the second is fine. Cleaned, oiled, enough for a few stops, then again one shoe came out.
I concluded for myself that all these games with Magura, Formula and others are useless. Shimano works without problems. brakes perfectly, informative. There are no problems with pumping, pads on Aliexpress can be found without problems, as well as spare parts for the brake itself. Why these experiments with crooked brakes?
Love the longer riding segment
A little Trick that i use is to leverbleed after i put the Pads in and put the Wheels on. That reduces the pad distance to rotors to a minimum. Means quicker Brakepower on my Shigura‘s.
I like your channel so much that I subscribed after two videos
You can also do any Shimano lever SLX,XT,XTR (even two piston) with TRP Quadiem four piston calipers and have amazing brakes. It’s as simple as swapping the caliper and using the Shimano hose with the TRP banjo bolt. I’ve done this twice and they are amazing. And way easier to source pads.
Is it better than shigura? I haven't heard much about trp and Shimano
While I love your content, I’m a bit confused at your overall objective on this one.
You said that in a panic braking scenario, you almost went OTB, so you opted OUT of modulating brakes. The alternative to brake modulation would be an on/off switch, correct? Basically, a light switch vs a dimmer switch.
In your case, it doesn’t seem like less modulation should be the solution to your problem. You, or somebody else can explain if I am missing something here, but this seems like the wrong solution.
It's hard to describe feel. But with the Trickstuff brakes, I never really had to pull the brakes that hard before then, so I didn't know the power they truly had. With my new set up, the power is there right away and I feel like I can control it better
@@EvansMTBSaga ok, so you would say that this new setup feels more predictable then? In that sense, I totally get it.
@@jtrider3779 Yes absolutely. Glad we could work through that haha. Its hard covering all the right things to say in a video sometimes.
@@EvansMTBSaga I gotcha, no worries man! Thanks for the reply and clarification though!
Keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re becoming a favorite MTB TH-camr among a lot of us.
@@EvansMTBSaga try hope tech brakes
Magura and Shimano BH59 hose are identical, but the barbs have different internal diameter, so it’s best to use a Shimano Bh59 barb with the Magura hose. Olives are pretty much all the same.
I'm a huge fan of the on-off feel of Shimano too!
I made a set of "sramano" brakes. I used Shimano BL-M6100 levers and a set of sram DB8 calipers. Wicked powerful and cheap ! Mix and match for the win! If you have these parts ( any shimano levers will do).
Are they better than pure Shimano, SRAM, Shigura or just an experiment?
Man, I love this video. Doing the Frankenstein/experimental stuff is SUPER interesting. Evan, you need to consider this as a regular/semi-regular series. I'm a bike tinkerer and always trying stuff out, the internet is often a place where people share opinions as fact with no real basis in actual facts. I've got so many ideas of things like this that I would like to try!
Shigura isn’t a very niche thing
@@byp4ss514 It isn't, but it is a Frankenstein set-up.The reality is that there are more opinions on the internet than actual lived experience with things like this, so it's good to watch someone do it with such quality and entertainment.
I had the exact same shigura setup, broke a lever and switched back to full magura, used steel braided brake hoses and adjustable Oak root-lever pros... it's a little more expensive, but I like that setup the most so far. You can set it up to have full brake power in like 3mm of lever travel.
Recently I found this TH-camr love ur context bro v interesting 👍
This is the best review for shigura so far.
Watching these vids always reminds me how blessed I am to have a place like TN to ride
I'll visit there soon! I live in Bentonville now.
@@EvansMTBSaga I bet you’re loving it compared to riding in the desert
hey Evan just wondering where did you get the tool use use to cut the brake housing and to push in the barbs?
evan channel is grown like crazy man gj
Thanks dude!
I think it’s funny how a little over a year ago he was a first time mountain biker and now he has one of the nicest bikes on the platform.
Haha it is funny. The trail I was riding in the video was the first trail system that I rode too and it's definitely not as fun with such a fancy bike
Nice content my g
Nice combo
It is always very interesting watching you doing all those changes and upgrades to your bikes. I admire also your ability, knowledge to do it. 🤙
Brake modulation is the way to go. I don't always need the same amount of stopping power so being able to control it is best for me.
You deserve more subs and views!
I like this video. Nice work.
I have to ask:
When did you order and receive your Trickstuff brakes?
I ordered a set back in May 2019. Still have not received them.
Thanks in advance for the reply!
Great video as always! What's the name of the tool you used to cut brake hoses and press the nips and olives?
For my Shigura I used brake levers Shimano Zee, Magura MT5-eStop calipers, special pads with KEVLAR and biggest Magura MDR-P rotors 220 front / 203 back. Reducing speed with KEVLAR pads is safer. The original pads also stop, but with them the chance of blocking the rear wheel is much higher.
Yeah I already want different pads! The stock ones make bad noises haha
@@EvansMTBSaga I'm using DBP-65E pads on my MT5-eStop calipers. For MT7 you may be need DBP-60E pads. And yes - with the new pads the noise also decreases.
Nice..I also mix my cheap zoom brake caliper with tektro lever and the result is amazing...more powerful stopping power..
Very cool bike hack! I didn't know about that
Great way to share the sponsorship for the video
Thanks man! I like it too
I have SRAM guide 4 pot on front and level 2 pot on rear with level ultimate levers on trail bike, enduro is guide ultimate front and rear. Both with Brembro dot 5 fluid from my race car with a boiling point if over 650 in each. Never had any issues with either and the modulate just fine even when it has been over 95f this whole week of riding.
@EvansMTBSaga where did you buy that hose cutter? I can't find it online.
Great video Evans. I love the tool you use to push the inserts into the hose or to cut it. Do you have any link to it? Thanks Thiago.
I’d like to know too
In my experience with shigura they were more powerful than shimano saints and hope v4/e4. The magura calliper improved modulation and they felt less on off. Also cheaper to set up than it would be to buy a set of 4 pot xts, after selling the magura levers.
he said he didn't like the modulation tho?
@@rareshamburda8120 well in my experience the shigura set up has great modulation and you can actually feather the brakes. Much prefer them over TRP g spec, hopes etc
modulation s*cks. when you're a type of rider that dont want to hold the lever all the time.
cause it a little delay when you sudden brake.
@@ancogbernard I need modulation if I'm riding wet techy steeps.
I don't know where you buy parts but all the shops i buy from sell levers and calipers separately. It costs 320-350€ for two levers and calipers.
The servo-wave and non-servowave are different. I get why you wanted the non servo version levers. Not sure whether you can get them in non-Xtr models though.
LOL, on Wednesday I was looking for parts to upgrade my brakes (2022 Polygon Siskiu T8). I thought "I wonder if Evans has a preferred since we ride a lot of the same stuff" (I live very close to you). I tried to find a way to contact you directly, but did not see a easy way and with Seths recent video about all the questions he gets I decided to just go for broke and order some stuff on my own. I just installed new brakes on my bike 2 hours before posting this. I seated the brakes in the driveway, loaded up my bike for a Prescott ride in the morning, and sat down to drink a beer before bed. I turn on my computer and what comes up....... LOL, really. Oh well.... now lets watch the vid.
Shoot me an email man, I'm down for a new riding partner evansmtbsaga@gmail.com
Great vid as always, thank you. Gotta say that is a bit more then I am willing to spend on brakes, but still great information.
I am driving shigura for a season and they are the best. I used MT5 I bough for 90eur each, I didnt like the 2 finger levers so i changed them for shimano SLX brake levers a bought for ca 35each, Total Cost 250Eur , Shigura for maximum braking POWER
I run a saint lever and calliper up the front and a saint lever and Magura mt5 calliper on the rear, the saint comes on harder with not much effort and the Shagura offers more control through the bite point to assist with front break when needed. I could ride saint on the back also but I quite enjoi the feeling of the setup and seems to hold more logic for me having a powerful brake up the front and one to assist on the rear, most people burn their brakes because they don't realise that the back brake is for assistance and your main power comes from the front.
Could have just switched to a smaller rear rotor
The rear rotor gives less power and heats up faster, I use 220mm Galfer rotors after swapping form Magura MDRP and I like them a bit more, the magura's were great but got loud after a season due to the rivets.@@or-ian6973
Yep. Panic breaking is deadly. First set of 4 pots, caused me to lock up the front several times. I’m still at risk when instinct takes over.
Whats your nice brake hose cutter and barb setter tool, looks like it works awesome
I have shamino brakes and they are crazy good for me. I bike everywhere and when I go down a black hill when it’s super dry and sometimes wet and shamino brakes work crazy good if u have a downhill bike or if u bike downhill, cross country and every thing els I recommend these brakes if u live in a country where there are steep hils
Those magura caliburs are beautiful
I have a bike that uses a full magura MT5 brakeset.
Once the levers break on my bike, I do plan on doing a shigura conversion.
Wha is the difference between using shimano levers with servo wave vs using shimano levers without servo wave?
does the shigura work with MT5 magura brakes and slx shimano levers?, bc I see everyone doing it with MT7 and XT or XTR levers
hi Evans.
im from chile, and i writting you to talk about particulary from this video.
to have some answer, to left clear obviously.
in fact, you got points with the bleeding using with bionol.
but the use off that shimano XTR lever are for recreational use, because that handle you used is very light, and again i give you points for do this kind of video, for those don't know this kind of brakes.
but for other riders, make this combination requir more than a a few bucks to buying this things.
for other side, but for those riders who do enduro or Trail, and prefeer more brake power ...
the Magura MT5 Caliper, and shimano ZEE Lever , Deore, SLX levers are the exact lever to use it.
for who do Enduro and downhill, Magura MT7 with Shimano Saint Levers are the key,
both are made to resist elevate presure. so much the brake caliper like the brake lever.
other thing to have clear, i don't recomend the magura hose... personally i choose use Shimano hose, cause
the shimano hose are more stronger in case off impact o fall.
all of this using Magura Discs, Magura MDR-C or the MDR-P both for E-bikes.
if someone want's to use MT7 and Deore XT to combine, must have the aluminum pump for taht lever,
because the Deore XT lever filters oil, by pressing it, the preasure made in the brake chamber (i have that problem).
but evans let me tell you that it is a great video, also you took weight off the bike, which makes it faster when going down the trails.
and sorry, my english is not so fluent... google helped me LOL
Hi ive been using sram gx and shimano xt. Decided to experiment with magura. Which magura is good for my xt?
On my Xtrada 6 I only kept the stock calipers and upgraded my levers and I can feel a very big difference (I can do endos with only 1 finger even with a 160mm rotor)
what are the stock calps and what did you upgrade levers?
@@mudkayak6305 i used stock calipers with upgraded levers on my xtrada 6 and work like a charm watch this video
th-cam.com/video/rK0xOTkBPmQ/w-d-xo.html
Trp🤘 cool video bro!
Hello Evan, I just recently started watching the channel and am interested in the tool that you use to cut your brake hoses. If you could tell me what it is, that would be great. Thanks
Nice! I’ve been interested in trying my xt levers with saint calipers.
With saint compared to XT the major difference is in the lever. The calliper is slightly larger, meaning more heat dissipation but the lever pushes significantly more fluid with more power. You would be better off simply getting a saint brakeset or doing a shigura setup like the one in the video.
I used slx levers with mt 7 calipers and i love it. Only would recommend xt levers but slx is ok
why would you choose xt over slx?
What do you use to clean your Brake from the oil
it might be just on me but i've blown up 2 xt brake levers on my set. I switched to zee levers and its working perfectly for half the price of the xt levers. Its just some personal experience
Might try this, thanks!
Are the 'banjo bolts', where the hose bolts to the caliper, interchangeable between Shimano and Magura? I have Shimano XT levers, calipers and hoses already on the bike, and have some Magura 4-piston calipers ready to install. So if the thread size is the same it makes sense to just unbolt the hoses from the XT calipers and bolt the hose to the 4-piston Magura's. Will this work? Thanks.
Nope! And to buy new ones costs a fortune
If I already have 7100 levers and 7120 calipers, will the mt7 swap directly on or will I need to change the line?
Hi after the conversion did you have very little to no freestroke? and good modulation?
Im looking at possibly doing the conversion and im looking for no freestroke?
Yeah very little free stroke just how I like it. The brakes then have a really strong on off bite. Strong stopping power that you can modulate with your finger
You're riding in my back yard.
I've been playing with my TRP G Spec Trails but just can't get the feel I want. How would you compare this to Saint calipers?
Awesome video! You have me sold on the Magura., been using SLX Shimano but I am a big boy so some extra stopping power would be great. I have to ask as well, what do people do for mountain biking in Phoenix during the summer heat wave? I took up MTB in the fall so this is more first summer, and right now at 111 . . . that's just a hard pass for me.
Haha mainly just stay inside or go on road trips all summer
You have to go at sunrise to beat the heat. Thats what we do here in the summer in israel
I am a big boy too and was suffering from braking power and fading. it was a game-changing solution for me 220 mm Magura rotors. Highly recommend it.
I'm going to put sragura on my build bike. I like the modulation feel of sram lever and easy pad replacement of the magura caliper. I just dont like the magura's lack of serviceability to replace the caliper.
dont forget to replace the seals that play nice with mineral oil in the levers
This guy should have way more attention!
best price combo is the Shimano Zee levers with the MT5 Calipers. Zee is the same power as the saint and the MT 5 calipers are the same as the MT 7s. You can get a realy powerful set of brakes for a small price.
That AG1 sounds delicious!!!
This is done frequently in Denmark. They are using the Shimano cables. Why? The internal diameter of the Shimano is smaller, and more suited to the smaller Shimano reservoir. Also means easier bleeding.
It worth it! I use shigura for extreme freeride and DH 🤷🏻♂️ MT7 and SLX with Flo motrsport levers🤔 it's just perfect for me!
I love the Flo levers. They won't work on the XTR 9100 though 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga that's so sad😭 I love them too and by the way, thank you, I discovered them by your videos!
Playing ads during the labor montage is genius. Let's us keep enjoying the video while also forcing the ad on us haha
that had to have been the hardest "keep your face straight for an ad" i've ever seen well done.
😂
Do you like the yeti feel now and how does it compare to the sisku D5 or your main the D7 or vitus mytic?
I rebuilt the rear shock for another yeti video in 2 weeks. Feels way better. The shock was blown
I think you have Servowave misunderstood, it doesn't have anything to do with the lever, and it also doesn't multiply the braking force. It's simply a roller "wheel" that pushes the piston in the master cylinder, which alters the speed and leverage of the pistons throughout the travel of the lever relative to it, instead of the lever just pushing the piston directly like on non-SW levers.
I essentially copied the description of Servowave on the Shimano website (it was a very poor description I thought). I saw it makes the lever feel lighter off the top which is cool 😎
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for the nice reply, some people might've gotten mad because I kind of corrected you. The video was nice though.
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Evan, you continue to kill it! The creative content and production quality 👌. Loved this video concept
Nice video. You actually like modulation and dislike mechanical servo advantage. I know what you were trying to say though.
I feel like shigura brakes are mostly necessity and not a choice - magura levers are notoriously fragile (thanks, carbotechture!). I had pair of MT6 fail on me - but calipers were absolutely fine still. And it's hard to find spare Magura levers for reasonable price, while there are plenty of shimanos. Now rocking Saint MT6 combo.
What's the shelf life of the Trickstuff Bionol hydraulic fluid? Is it also hydrophobic like the Shimano hydraulic mineral oil?
What's the steering bar on your bike?
Wich are easier to install, hydraulic or cable actuated disc brakes
Those hose covers look sweet. Keep them.