it's crazy how much power parents, especially the mother of a son, has over their child. They can literally dictate their entire lives for good or for bad.
@@ashenzenden for bad only. Our parents, especially boomers, have a terrible marriage across the board because they all fell for the lie of feminism, so now mothers are clinging onto their sons in order to have a male figure in their life while feeling in control and avoiding dealing with their broken marriage. This is universal, I have never seen an exception to this.
Check out Dr Kenneth Adams. He has videos on TH-cam and 2 books "When He's Married to Mom" and "Silently Seduced." He specializes in helping mother-enmeshed-men. He has a website and does workshops to help men, too! Highly recommended! Wishing you all the best in your journey OUT!!!!
This is one of the most dangerous primordial archetypical forces, especially today. Consider it a fight for your life, take immediate action, your free will is worth fighting for, your entire life is at stake, all of your dreams. You can actually win any time you want....you just need to force yourself to leave, take charge of your internal narrative everyday, sell everything you don't need, find a roommate, get out any way you can I'm not joking it's worth it all the trouble is worth it.
My mom was the same. It backfired. I left when I hit 18. I joined the military. I didnt developed any practical skills, so the military was extremely hard because it was so under developed and my mom did it on purpose. My mom and I were extremely close when I was a baby to a kid. I laughed a lot and always want my mom to hold me, but I wanted to grow up and she didnt. I fought her every single time and literally begged her for me to do something beside nothing. I guess I am a very conscientious person. My mom would yelled at me for doing my laundry and the dishes. I mowed the grass in our backyard and said said I did a terrible job. Mom said My sister did a much better job. I tried to process some paperwork and she said my sister should do it because she just does better job. She cant trust me. When I actually worked, I was one of the best workers in the military and my civilian life. I was super surprised because my mom told me I did a terrible job and I believed it. I also did terribly at school before I left and I got a math degree with honors and a social work degree. My mom literally made it up that I did a terrible job to destory my selfesteem and developed zero confident, so I can stay a dependent child. My mom resented that I wanted to grow up. She made all my family hated me since I fought with her to just letting me do something. My mom was so resentful; she literally stop feeding me for years. I also always hungry and I went to doctor in the military and they treated me for an extremely painful disease which I had since middle school. I told my mom about it since middle school and she said I was making it up. I converted to Christianity because I had no one and the bible says to honor my parents and to forgive. I amend our relationship with my mom and I even told her I love her. She said she is proud of me. My other sister not the one my mom said did a better job than me took my spot because she is 45+ and still living with my mom and dad. After This sister divorced her husband, she hated my mom too for doing the same thing to her as she did to me. This sister had a mental breakdown after her divorce and went homeless. This sister cant take care of herself. Everybody wins at the end. I'm independent, my mom has a kid to take care of, and my sister doesn't need to live on the streets.
Holy shit dude that’s insane. Not to be a pussy or anything but I feel fucked up for the little my mother did in that way. Like laying w her for too long and at an age that was too old ( not like creepy old tho just like kinda weird old maybe 8 at the oldest idr tbh) and just the things she would do that I didn’t realize but man I could always work and go play outside ect that’s crazy man
Nah bro help your sister if u can, that’s not cool or healthy way to live for your mother or your sister. She needs help building herself up and finding a man so she can have kids. Help her dude if u can , at least don’t believe that lie you said. It’s clearly not true, adults should not to live at parents home.
The story of the video is not ‘one size fits all’. There may be some misunderstanding between the mom and son. But dear son, pls let the past go. God has plans for each of us. Stay strong 💪🏻🌻
My mother did that with my youngest brother. He turned out to be a real piece of work. Me and my other brother (he's the middle) both left home early. She's a nightmare.
Hows that going so far im coming from a place of concern of my two boyfriends they are brothers ....living at vsmpiemother she tryna decide who to carry on sometjing and attacking me ots funny i live here too for 2 and half yrs i am a witch of course ❤😊.she cant stand anybody with real love and dosnt understand it with her own.. i confuse and upset by mirroring she dosnt know how i get what i want i love him lol.not funny but what do u think this agreement they both made its powerful blood magic i think i can break this shit. U know in buffy when spikes mom was vamp he took care of her even after she vamped him but realise she wasnt right end up killing her she didnt like how sensitve he was for a vamp well passionate about love.
I've been thinking that transgenderism could be an escape of the son from the mother, though accepting full castration, but freeing from the consuming mother.
It's simple but not easy. And it is FAR easier if you have a lot of money or society gave working class folks more social mobility to get away from bullshit. But maybe that is just me trying to salvage things
@@andrewfreiji4647I was able to do it through the military. Left home at 17. Been on my own ever since. The hypermasculinity thing he mentions is true though. With no safety net, i push myself to my absolute limit to provide for my family, but it never feels like enough. Upside, though, I work out 3 times a day and am absolutely jacked. My wife loves it.
@@andrewfreiji4647 I feel you bro. It doesn't take money though, just the strength to say "no more". The more you try to salvage things, the more it drags your parents' marriage down. Matthew 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."
@@taylorkeller3661 What if you want to be able to communicate, but from a distance where you are free. It takes not just money but wealth to do that in this system of society
@@andrewfreiji4647 I would suggest starting with a considerable period of a complete cutt-off to focus on yourself, then come back one step at a time. Every situation is different so it's hard to give a general answer, but less communication means more growth as a man.
This kinds of psychology should be learned in school. This way kids are more likely to find out if their situation is toxic and save themselves. Tyrannical fathers, oedipal mothers, narcissistic parent, borderline parent. We should teach kids about all of these.
Remind me of a family dinner I had and was upset seeing how my mum do literally everything for my grandma. “Stay back. Don’t undermine her autonomy.” Came out of my mouth in a private conversation and she went out crying to my brother. On hindsight, I see that I am escaping from all that. That might have added to the push element of moving out of the country at age 28 years old. Disclaimer, I was the obedient and well performing kid since young. My achievements has always been solely accredited to her and perhaps in order to be out of my parents’ shadow and stop self sabotage, I had to learn how to be close but figure out a distance. Perhaps.
my mother's a widow and spends like mad. As the oldest son, It's difficult. I am being drained, I know we are to honor our parents and I can't just let her go too. My father took his own life and she's destroyed.
Oh that’s awful. Sounds like she’s overspending to fill a void that can’t be filled. Good on you for trying to honor your mother. Hard to find the balance between tough love and protecting her vulnerability / being patient with her grief. Hope you don’t get burnt out especially as you have to process your father’s death too. And probably help your siblings too I’m guessing. Quite a load…
Hi Jordan, What do you think about the book Iron John for younger men in order to help them to understand the concept of stealing the golden key from under the protective mothers pillow. I thought it was a valid, metaphorically symbolic book for young men that is written into folk lore story which has been around for a millenia.
Yup, mom forced us away from our father, and my brother is becoming her in many ways. (probably already is) It feels like being in a cage. I got out but 2 other siblings are stuck. Took outside help and left at 25.
At 21 I started to bloom. At 24 my mother tried to tighten the noose only for me to yet outta there real quick. Glad I realized my dad wasn't the only one messed up sometimes. She's got all my brothers wrapped around her finger
It's fucked up. It's why my blood boils when I hear collectivistic people say shit like 'go live with your parents to save money,' or 'family comes first.' I once heard a guy from India say 'nothing bad can ever happen in a family.' Non western, collectivistic people piss me off a lot because of how inaccurate and gaslighting their cultural idealism is when it comes to situations as described in this video
I’m wondering if me being MTF transgender has anything to do with this situation. I had an abusive immature narcissistic stepfather who would call me things like “sissy girl” and “gay boy” etc. and my mom who would do exactly this in this video. Because everyone just affirms being trans around me or says nothing, I’m here incessantly studying the archetypes trying to make sense of it because I have a very strong masculine side that doesn’t let me have peace as I transition. I think my development may have been wounded and underdeveloped.
Absolutely. You should look at the work of Joseph Nicolosi. He's written some books but there's also a website and some youtube videos. He mostly talks about homosexuality but some of it can also be applied to transgenderism.
Let me be a voice of reason. God created you a man on purpose. He loves you and doesnt make mistakes. You are strong and capable. It will just take hard work and grace (which comes from honest, humble prayer). I believe in you, and I'm sorry for any insensitivity or pain I may have caused you in speaking so frankly. Praying for you 🫡🙏
I have an Oedipal mother and a toxic narcissistic father who uses everyone around him as garbage cans for his frustration. I'm 35 and have cut my connection to both of them and trying to take my first steps as an adult male instead of continuing walking as a man child.
I’m allowing my son to choose who he wants to live with since we are divorced . I want him to have independence and value his wants. He is in high school and I don’t want to smother him . I want him to flourish and grow into a great young man
I‘m not sure if my Mum was like that in my childhood, she wasn’t perfect but she did encourage me and made sure I had every opportunity (so long as she liked them). But now she sure is trying her best to destroy my marriage, because „he‘s not good enough“ and she doesn’t like him, even though she admitted herself she doesn’t really know him. It‘s dreadful.
25 year marriage to one of these monsters. As we were parting he uttered 'I'm just a little boy in a man's body. I HATE MY FUCKING MOTHER!!!' Sadly it was 25 years too late and I was too exhausted to take any more or start from scratch. My son committed suicide, one of his biggest fears being 'I don't want to grow up to be a dickhead like my Dad.'. Daughter took ex-husband's word and path, borrowed his narc script and vehemently began trying to annihilate me using his tactics to a tee. We've not spoken for nearly 9 years. Very sad outcome after 25 years of good mothering while shackled to a non-starter. Can't believe I blamed myself for 2 decades. Nightmare.
I don't even know what my father looks like. I've never seen a photo. I grew up blaming her constant unhappiness on my existence. I used to wish I didn't exist just so I never had to hear her say how she "wished she could go to sleep and never wake up again." So at 16 I got arrested for armed robbery and I actually felt better incarcerated than I did with her. Incarceration had structure I could understand. As a grown man I found out my mother's family knew her problems and did nothing about it. Talking to two of my 3 uncles (my mother has 3 brothers but only 1 will talk to her) I found out that all the things I thought were insane in my youth, were true and they knew about it. Christianity is what lead me to forgiving her, she doesn't make it easy though. Now she has dementia/Alzheimer's and her nature to lie and accuse everyone else of everything seems to have carried over with it. Always accusing everyone of lying, stealing or being the source of all her woes. It's sad. I had always hoped she'd change, or at least those traits would diminish. But she always seemed to take pride in never conceding to others. It's not like she was all bad, there were good times as well. But my mother never understood that there are things you can say or do that can't be taken back and won't be forgotten. Apologies don't mean much when you apologize and then just repeat the process, again and again.
My family knew how mentally unstable my mom is and did absolutely nothing. It's astonishing to me. I'm sorry this happened to you, I went through it too. And I agree. Apologies don't mean crap if the behaviour is on repeat.
At 18 I started to rebel, I was drunk six nights a week. At 21 when I could enter clubs I was drunk seven nights a week. My mother ruined relationships between myself and any girl I dared take home to meet the family. When I got married she became extremely abusive to my wife until I laid down the law that the first part of my life was with my parents but my future lay with my wife. That stopped the open hostility but covert action went on regardless. Finally I walked away from the family relationship. I have never grieved my mother's death, I don't think I ever will simply because of what I see as her abuse of me and my sister who received physical as well as mental abuse. Where was my father through all this? He was working, he worked 6 days and 3 nights a week to hide from the reality he faced at home.
It's important to expand on some of Peterson's points here. While I can't deny that he's stated many times that hypermasculinity is an issue (in the sense he means it here), there's one way this defiant response to the oedipal mother isn't hypermasculine at all. Since he cited Jung here, to make my point I'll reference the Jungian text "King Warrior Magician Lover". The authors discuss two different depreciated forms of these four male archetypes; one depreciated form of the King archetype is the "high-chair tyrant". The high-chair tyrant exhibits the same hypermasculine defiance that Peterson mentions when the former doesn't get his way. The crucial thing here is that the devouring oedipal mother is only too happy to accommodate the objective(s) of having such a tantrum. Most times, deceptively, defiance against the oedipal mother is exactly what she's after.
There’s not a win in chronic dysfunctional or highly narcissistic families or relationships. This route isn’t good or healthy, the route of alienation/estrangement isn’t good or healthy. So essentially the only one who is content is the one who is viewed as having more power in the dynamic.
Who says estrangement flat-out isn't healthy? I'd need something to corroborate that kind of supposition, because from my perspective, I'm far healthier estranged from my mother than I was wis her.
@@Alias3141I've had the same experience- estrangement was exactly what I needed. But that doesn't mean estrangement is a good thing in general. In a perfect world, or a good family, there would be no need for estrangement in the first place.
@@Alias3141estrangement is by far the better solution than continuing a dysfunctional relationship with a narc mother. There’s no doubt about that. That’s the only way to grow and be free, you can then build your own life.
personal bookmark: taboo borderline acceptable behavior in parenting, single oedipal mothers and rebellious hyper masculine boys/men, raising codependent sons, marriage troubles, resentment against husbands and blurred lines, vampiring mothers
He talks about at length in lectures, in fact I scrolled through recommended videos next to this one and found one where he literally talks about “nice guys and their tyrannical fathers” AT LENGTH. Go search Jordan Peterson tyrannical fathers and you’ll get plenty results. So now that your utter bias is exposed as selective ignorance I’m not sure what you have to even say lol
it's crazy how much power parents, especially the mother of a son, has over their child. They can literally dictate their entire lives for good or for bad.
False. Uproot that sentiment from your soul. It is a lie from the devil. May the peace and blessings of Christ be upon you.
@@ashenzenden for bad only. Our parents, especially boomers, have a terrible marriage across the board because they all fell for the lie of feminism, so now mothers are clinging onto their sons in order to have a male figure in their life while feeling in control and avoiding dealing with their broken marriage.
This is universal, I have never seen an exception to this.
@@chadpilled7913 go back and read all the stories in the Bible about overbearing mothers. You are wrong.
Unfortunately I’m 26 and still trying to escape I feel like I’m going to die stuck here honestly.
Check out Dr Kenneth Adams. He has videos on TH-cam and 2 books "When He's Married to Mom" and "Silently Seduced." He specializes in helping mother-enmeshed-men. He has a website and does workshops to help men, too! Highly recommended! Wishing you all the best in your journey OUT!!!!
Check out Dr Kenneth Adams! He specializes in helping mother-enmeshed-men. He has books and videos and workshops. Wishing you the best journey OUT!
I'm 32 mate u have time
similar situation. not living at home, but not independent either. stay strong, we'll figure it out.
This is one of the most dangerous primordial archetypical forces, especially today. Consider it a fight for your life, take immediate action, your free will is worth fighting for, your entire life is at stake, all of your dreams. You can actually win any time you want....you just need to force yourself to leave, take charge of your internal narrative everyday, sell everything you don't need, find a roommate, get out any way you can I'm not joking it's worth it all the trouble is worth it.
My mom was the same. It backfired. I left when I hit 18. I joined the military. I didnt developed any practical skills, so the military was extremely hard because it was so under developed and my mom did it on purpose. My mom and I were extremely close when I was a baby to a kid. I laughed a lot and always want my mom to hold me, but I wanted to grow up and she didnt. I fought her every single time and literally begged her for me to do something beside nothing. I guess I am a very conscientious person. My mom would yelled at me for doing my laundry and the dishes. I mowed the grass in our backyard and said said I did a terrible job. Mom said My sister did a much better job. I tried to process some paperwork and she said my sister should do it because she just does better job. She cant trust me. When I actually worked, I was one of the best workers in the military and my civilian life. I was super surprised because my mom told me I did a terrible job and I believed it. I also did terribly at school before I left and I got a math degree with honors and a social work degree. My mom literally made it up that I did a terrible job to destory my selfesteem and developed zero confident, so I can stay a dependent child. My mom resented that I wanted to grow up. She made all my family hated me since I fought with her to just letting me do something. My mom was so resentful; she literally stop feeding me for years. I also always hungry and I went to doctor in the military and they treated me for an extremely painful disease which I had since middle school. I told my mom about it since middle school and she said I was making it up. I converted to Christianity because I had no one and the bible says to honor my parents and to forgive. I amend our relationship with my mom and I even told her I love her. She said she is proud of me. My other sister not the one my mom said did a better job than me took my spot because she is 45+ and still living with my mom and dad. After This sister divorced her husband, she hated my mom too for doing the same thing to her as she did to me. This sister had a mental breakdown after her divorce and went homeless. This sister cant take care of herself. Everybody wins at the end. I'm independent, my mom has a kid to take care of, and my sister doesn't need to live on the streets.
Holy shit dude that’s insane. Not to be a pussy or anything but I feel fucked up for the little my mother did in that way. Like laying w her for too long and at an age that was too old ( not like creepy old tho just like kinda weird old maybe 8 at the oldest idr tbh) and just the things she would do that I didn’t realize but man I could always work and go play outside ect that’s crazy man
Nah bro help your sister if u can, that’s not cool or healthy way to live for your mother or your sister. She needs help building herself up and finding a man so she can have kids. Help her dude if u can , at least don’t believe that lie you said. It’s clearly not true, adults should not to live at parents home.
As a Christian, I think it's a good idea to help your sister. She's a woman. Help her come to Christ and get on her feet.
The story of the video is not ‘one size fits all’. There may be some misunderstanding between the mom and son. But dear son, pls let the past go. God has plans for each of us. Stay strong 💪🏻🌻
Sounds like she wasn't just oedipal but maybe also narcissistic.
Not diagnosing here btw.
My mother did that with my youngest brother. He turned out to be a real piece of work. Me and my other brother (he's the middle) both left home early. She's a nightmare.
My brother suffered the Oedipal mother, and before she died she made him her. Yup, you heard that right. So now, he IS her.
How so?
😭
Hows that going so far im coming from a place of concern of my two boyfriends they are brothers ....living at vsmpiemother she tryna decide who to carry on sometjing and attacking me ots funny i live here too for 2 and half yrs i am a witch of course ❤😊.she cant stand anybody with real love and dosnt understand it with her own.. i confuse and upset by mirroring she dosnt know how i get what i want i love him lol.not funny but what do u think this agreement they both made its powerful blood magic i think i can break this shit. U know in buffy when spikes mom was vamp he took care of her even after she vamped him but realise she wasnt right end up killing her she didnt like how sensitve he was for a vamp well passionate about love.
This is terifying
I've been thinking that transgenderism could be an escape of the son from the mother, though accepting full castration, but freeing from the consuming mother.
believe me that is a real issue with mother, mother could crush their sons💔
My mom did that for a while until I caught her. The solution is simple and delightful - cut all communication and run.
It's simple but not easy. And it is FAR easier if you have a lot of money or society gave working class folks more social mobility to get away from bullshit. But maybe that is just me trying to salvage things
@@andrewfreiji4647I was able to do it through the military. Left home at 17. Been on my own ever since.
The hypermasculinity thing he mentions is true though. With no safety net, i push myself to my absolute limit to provide for my family, but it never feels like enough.
Upside, though, I work out 3 times a day and am absolutely jacked. My wife loves it.
@@andrewfreiji4647 I feel you bro. It doesn't take money though, just the strength to say "no more". The more you try to salvage things, the more it drags your parents' marriage down.
Matthew 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."
@@taylorkeller3661 What if you want to be able to communicate, but from a distance where you are free. It takes not just money but wealth to do that in this system of society
@@andrewfreiji4647 I would suggest starting with a considerable period of a complete cutt-off to focus on yourself, then come back one step at a time. Every situation is different so it's hard to give a general answer, but less communication means more growth as a man.
This kinds of psychology should be learned in school.
This way kids are more likely to find out if their situation is toxic and save themselves.
Tyrannical fathers, oedipal mothers, narcissistic parent, borderline parent.
We should teach kids about all of these.
Schools are more interested in the... other kind of psychology.
I don’t know the ratio, but I’d wager a good amount of women like this go into teaching.
Remind me of a family dinner I had and was upset seeing how my mum do literally everything for my grandma. “Stay back. Don’t undermine her autonomy.” Came out of my mouth in a private conversation and she went out crying to my brother. On hindsight, I see that I am escaping from all that. That might have added to the push element of moving out of the country at age 28 years old.
Disclaimer, I was the obedient and well performing kid since young. My achievements has always been solely accredited to her and perhaps in order to be out of my parents’ shadow and stop self sabotage, I had to learn how to be close but figure out a distance. Perhaps.
I like how these yaks aint follow up to this , your obiously right and this is what is truth , and for it to finalize like this is good
my mother's a widow and spends like mad. As the oldest son, It's difficult. I am being drained, I know we are to honor our parents and I can't just let her go too. My father took his own life and she's destroyed.
Oh that’s awful. Sounds like she’s overspending to fill a void that can’t be filled. Good on you for trying to honor your mother. Hard to find the balance between tough love and protecting her vulnerability / being patient with her grief. Hope you don’t get burnt out especially as you have to process your father’s death too. And probably help your siblings too I’m guessing. Quite a load…
Hi Jordan,
What do you think about the book Iron John for younger men in order to help them to understand the concept of stealing the golden key from under the protective mothers pillow.
I thought it was a valid, metaphorically symbolic book for young men that is written into folk lore story which has been around for a millenia.
Thanks for this comment, I'll check the book out
Yup, mom forced us away from our father, and my brother is becoming her in many ways. (probably already is) It feels like being in a cage. I got out but 2 other siblings are stuck. Took outside help and left at 25.
At 21 I started to bloom. At 24 my mother tried to tighten the noose only for me to yet outta there real quick. Glad I realized my dad wasn't the only one messed up sometimes. She's got all my brothers wrapped around her finger
It's fucked up. It's why my blood boils when I hear collectivistic people say shit like 'go live with your parents to save money,' or 'family comes first.' I once heard a guy from India say 'nothing bad can ever happen in a family.' Non western, collectivistic people piss me off a lot because of how inaccurate and gaslighting their cultural idealism is when it comes to situations as described in this video
@@andrewfreiji4647 Amen. Safe to say my mother now knows if she starts shit with me ever again...I'm completely gone.
@@andrewfreiji4647 I completely agree and I am from india
I’m wondering if me being MTF transgender has anything to do with this situation. I had an abusive immature narcissistic stepfather who would call me things like “sissy girl” and “gay boy” etc. and my mom who would do exactly this in this video.
Because everyone just affirms being trans around me or says nothing, I’m here incessantly studying the archetypes trying to make sense of it because I have a very strong masculine side that doesn’t let me have peace as I transition. I think my development may have been wounded and underdeveloped.
Absolutely. You should look at the work of Joseph Nicolosi. He's written some books but there's also a website and some youtube videos. He mostly talks about homosexuality but some of it can also be applied to transgenderism.
@@cangjie12 thanks I will definitely check him out!
That's some top-tier self awareness you've got there. I wish you luck on your path to discovery.
Let me be a voice of reason. God created you a man on purpose. He loves you and doesnt make mistakes. You are strong and capable. It will just take hard work and grace (which comes from honest, humble prayer). I believe in you, and I'm sorry for any insensitivity or pain I may have caused you in speaking so frankly. Praying for you 🫡🙏
You are not a woman you are just damaged. If you continue down this road a living hell awaits you
I have an Oedipal mother and a toxic narcissistic father who uses everyone around him as garbage cans for his frustration. I'm 35 and have cut my connection to both of them and trying to take my first steps as an adult male instead of continuing walking as a man child.
Looking forward to the video on the "Oedipal Father".., The man who builds resentment, fractures the family, controls...
I’m allowing my son to choose who he wants to live with since we are divorced . I want him to have independence and value his wants. He is in high school and I don’t want to smother him . I want him to flourish and grow into a great young man
I‘m not sure if my Mum was like that in my childhood, she wasn’t perfect but she did encourage me and made sure I had every opportunity (so long as she liked them). But now she sure is trying her best to destroy my marriage, because „he‘s not good enough“ and she doesn’t like him, even though she admitted herself she doesn’t really know him. It‘s dreadful.
My stepfather, my first husband, and my second husband were enmeshed by their mothers...disgusting mothers.
Very true! 🙏 AMEN!
Thanks for the guide
25 year marriage to one of these monsters. As we were parting he uttered 'I'm just a little boy in a man's body. I HATE MY FUCKING MOTHER!!!' Sadly it was 25 years too late and I was too exhausted to take any more or start from scratch. My son committed suicide, one of his biggest fears being 'I don't want to grow up to be a dickhead like my Dad.'. Daughter took ex-husband's word and path, borrowed his narc script and vehemently began trying to annihilate me using his tactics to a tee. We've not spoken for nearly 9 years. Very sad outcome after 25 years of good mothering while shackled to a non-starter. Can't believe I blamed myself for 2 decades. Nightmare.
I don't even know what my father looks like. I've never seen a photo. I grew up blaming her constant unhappiness on my existence. I used to wish I didn't exist just so I never had to hear her say how she "wished she could go to sleep and never wake up again." So at 16 I got arrested for armed robbery and I actually felt better incarcerated than I did with her. Incarceration had structure I could understand. As a grown man I found out my mother's family knew her problems and did nothing about it. Talking to two of my 3 uncles (my mother has 3 brothers but only 1 will talk to her) I found out that all the things I thought were insane in my youth, were true and they knew about it. Christianity is what lead me to forgiving her, she doesn't make it easy though. Now she has dementia/Alzheimer's and her nature to lie and accuse everyone else of everything seems to have carried over with it. Always accusing everyone of lying, stealing or being the source of all her woes. It's sad. I had always hoped she'd change, or at least those traits would diminish. But she always seemed to take pride in never conceding to others. It's not like she was all bad, there were good times as well. But my mother never understood that there are things you can say or do that can't be taken back and won't be forgotten. Apologies don't mean much when you apologize and then just repeat the process, again and again.
My family knew how mentally unstable my mom is and did absolutely nothing. It's astonishing to me. I'm sorry this happened to you, I went through it too. And I agree. Apologies don't mean crap if the behaviour is on repeat.
At 18 I started to rebel, I was drunk six nights a week. At 21 when I could enter clubs I was drunk seven nights a week. My mother ruined relationships between myself and any girl I dared take home to meet the family. When I got married she became extremely abusive to my wife until I laid down the law that the first part of my life was with my parents but my future lay with my wife. That stopped the open hostility but covert action went on regardless. Finally I walked away from the family relationship. I have never grieved my mother's death, I don't think I ever will simply because of what I see as her abuse of me and my sister who received physical as well as mental abuse.
Where was my father through all this? He was working, he worked 6 days and 3 nights a week to hide from the reality he faced at home.
It's important to expand on some of Peterson's points here. While I can't deny that he's stated many times that hypermasculinity is an issue (in the sense he means it here), there's one way this defiant response to the oedipal mother isn't hypermasculine at all. Since he cited Jung here, to make my point I'll reference the Jungian text "King Warrior Magician Lover". The authors discuss two different depreciated forms of these four male archetypes; one depreciated form of the King archetype is the "high-chair tyrant". The high-chair tyrant exhibits the same hypermasculine defiance that Peterson mentions when the former doesn't get his way. The crucial thing here is that the devouring oedipal mother is only too happy to accommodate the objective(s) of having such a tantrum. Most times, deceptively, defiance against the oedipal mother is exactly what she's after.
That sounds like a no-win situation, yikes.
Sorry. I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make, be clearer
this is actually stupid
Knock Knock. Hi..... May I come innnnnnnnn?
yes
she just feels natural to open any doors including that of my room and toilet while i am inside shtting.😅 disgusting odipal mom
Mine didn't even knock
There is an epidemic of this behavior
Would the mother from the movie ‘Anatomy of a fall’ be a good example of Oedipal mother?
Yes, and BPD.
this is exactly what Jesse Lee Peterson talks about but not in such and elegant eloquent way 😅
how do i fix this shit that was done to me?
This is even harder if you are an only child first generation immigrant with parents who are old and depend on you because they don't speak English
Grandpa is not hearing any of this kind of crap, unless you prove you’re better. You think I’m just going to wait around, wondering what will happen?
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i become 25 and stuck they did me dirty 😅💔
Why isn't this classed as domestic violence?
There’s not a win in chronic dysfunctional or highly narcissistic families or relationships. This route isn’t good or healthy, the route of alienation/estrangement isn’t good or healthy. So essentially the only one who is content is the one who is viewed as having more power in the dynamic.
Who says estrangement flat-out isn't healthy? I'd need something to corroborate that kind of supposition, because from my perspective, I'm far healthier estranged from my mother than I was wis her.
@@Alias3141I've had the same experience- estrangement was exactly what I needed. But that doesn't mean estrangement is a good thing in general. In a perfect world, or a good family, there would be no need for estrangement in the first place.
@@Alias3141estrangement is by far the better solution than continuing a dysfunctional relationship with a narc mother. There’s no doubt about that. That’s the only way to grow and be free, you can then build your own life.
personal bookmark: taboo borderline acceptable behavior in parenting, single oedipal mothers and rebellious hyper masculine boys/men, raising codependent sons, marriage troubles, resentment against husbands and blurred lines, vampiring mothers
Exactly what my ex did to my kids.
without necessity the videos, makes the experience less fun. Just focus and get "happy"
Odd that he doesn't talk about escaping from tyrannical and authoritarian father figures. Because he is one.
He talks about at length in lectures, in fact I scrolled through recommended videos next to this one and found one where he literally talks about “nice guys and their tyrannical fathers” AT LENGTH. Go search Jordan Peterson tyrannical fathers and you’ll get plenty results. So now that your utter bias is exposed as selective ignorance I’m not sure what you have to even say lol
@@mariusloveless7880 Can you find one such lecture that you think is a good example and link to it or give the title?
@@11kravitznyou have thumbs, search it yourself. Browse already gave you the key words.
@@11kravitznyou are owed absolutely nothing
Jordan is teaching evil
Lol
Ridiculous. Stinks of Che. 😂😂😂
Repent and trust in Christ. Don’t psychologize it, get on your knees and say sorry to the King. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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