In this video we examine the fact that the Quran speaks of itself as a written book, and places priority on writing as the strongest form of evidence. Muslims who argue for oral transmission over written transmission therefore contradict the Quran. We also examine some early traditions attesting to the forgetfulness of the early Muslims, further illustrating that claims of oral preservation fall flat. Finally, we examine claims of the so-called, "illiterate" prophet. As an added bonus, Muhammad makes a guest appearance. Muslims are desperately trying to show the miracles of their book, and are failing at every attempt. Quran vs. Tradition playlist is here: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gz5rSB73mUbKxhYVozt5seY.html. Quran Specific playlist is here: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gwtNCdaRTHH1sOcRnSOoyKY.html. For a text-based version of this video, with links to sources where applicable, see here: drive.google.com/open?id=1Yshl4_faAtxb6RQeZAKIGsO5Hu7814td. Remember to download to your phone via the Microsoft Word app for full, mobile functionality and quick navigation.
If the Quran speaks for itself why do Muslims have to come to the Muslim Hadiths for guidance?? The Muslim Hadiths were written approximately 281 years to 310 years AFTER muhamMAD death.. There is no logic in Islam. muhamMAD=MADness.
A very good point: Allah and his eternal book, which he said he sent down to mohammed, and muslims say they don't need it! Although, allah does not always remember what he said before, as we can see in the story of Adam and Iblis. So maybe allah needs the book more than muslims. This really makes me wonder.
Alnajem Show I’ve memorized the Bible’s doctrine, so what’s your point? Can you recite the Quran? If so, please recite the verses of stoning and breastfeeding adults ten times (since the Quran has been memorized this shouldn’t be a problem), I’ll wait...
Please pray for my family. I know with God everything is possible but I have not much hope for them. I can't get past their ignorance: my brother even boast in it and look down on me for believing in the trinity. God bless you all
Another great video! The idea that the Quran was perfectly preserved by oral transmission against the manuscripts is laughable. Just ask - which is more likely to change over time - your memory or what you wrote on a piece of paper. And are we supposed to believe the people writing the manuscripts are the only ones who made errors someone? Love the ending and Vocab cameo.
During outreach I have spoken to so many muslims. 90% doesn't know what a prophecy is or has any knowledge of qoran/tafsir/hadith. They call mohamed their prophet but cannot tell any prophecy. Thank you for sharing the truth.
They know nothing ... some wears hijab even correctly and dont evrn know what aqida or tawheed they know nothing. Especially to think crictly or with sceptism
@@sayedf11 yeah i mean no confusion in following an old man who had sex with a 9 yr old, committed adultery, lusted after and stole the wife of his adopted son, assassinated those who mocked him etc. Your problem is your Allah is limited but YhWh isn't. I mean your quran can become a man yet Allah can't. 😆
@@sayedf11 No classical scholars denied Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her. Your lame math is just made up by some modern scholars who get embarrassed too much by their prophet's perverted deeds.
@@sayedf11 so you want to dismiss 5 of your canonical hadith collection for some donkey bullshit. I'll take sahih Bukhari and Muslim over your bullshit.
It is so obvious how much hard work you put into your videos. I have learnt so much from you and I absolutely love your channel! I hope sometime in the future you'll make a video about how to approach muslims and which subjects to tackle first when talking to them (or maybe you have, I haven't seen all of your videos yet). I grew up in an environment where there are many muslims and I never had a successful conversation with any of them, it always ends with a "you misunderstand the Quran, Muhammad was the best men ever and people only lie about him to lead you away from the truth" and similar things. I truly want to help them see through the lies they've been indoctrinated with all their lives but I feel like talking to a wall. It hurts me seeing how much devotion and love for Muhammad exists in their hearts knowing what this man was truly like.
This is ground breaking stuff. We are the first generation to have publicly available information on textual variants and this video gets to their main response. These arguments will be around a long time.
@@sayedf11 Its not about CP...its about your enlightenment, you keep following your Pro Md and guys like Hijab, dig yourself a grave, by the time you realize it will be too late. I am hoping you'll open your eyes soon. Its so obvious..when you read your book, it just doesn't sound right and doesn't make sense. You guys wont accept it, simple as that, since you are institutionalized since birth, hard to deny, ego hurts. We can understand. I would have felt the same, but I would have searched for truth and applied my brain to understand whether this makes sense or not and I hope you have one too. Its somewhere in your head.
Out of the park, once again! Excellent information & presentation here. I hope Muslims will actually watch the video...with the volume up, and their eyes towards the screen...
When Umar was burning all those extra Qurans, I wonder who was guiding him about exact dots and commas,or chapter revelation dates,or number of words in the verses,as we know it was collected and written down after questioning random Abduls around the village. Calling it a book is an insult to a library Islam Critiqued,exquis comme d'habitude
I suspect that Umar was motivated by the "urgency of the moment". What resulted was later declared as the word of the only deity, forever more. No such claim existed in any other belief system. And as far as I know, no other belief systems advocates murdering it's adherents, when they leave. Islam is a political construct, masquerading as spirituality.
Because those extra burned scriptures maybe the original quran which actually taught trinity. Don't say impossible because we dont have comparative scriptures, so anything possible. :D
@@AnDailyTalk Even Quran confirms Jesus is Kalimatullah (Word of God) and Ruhullah (Spirit of God). I'm not saying Christianity is true, I'm saying it's obvious Mohammed just memorized anything he heard from Jews, Christians, even story tellers and spit it out anytime he needed it to brainwash his brainless companions.
@@AnDailyTalk Dude come on it's obvious, Mohammed even repeated Bible scientific error about moon because he simply just plagiarized it. Just compare Genesis 1:16 and Quran 10:5. And why are you laughing, do you feel insecure? Btw a goat ate Quran verse about breastfeeding adult lol.
I'm confident that mohammed was more literate than most muslims who can't stop themselves from writing the most irrelevant things in response to this very clear message. You mention so many references about missing surahs and ayahs, and still muslims haste themselves to saying that the Qur'an was miraculously preserved. They don't even believe their own books!
i have wondered about why the quran calls itself a book, many times its called a "clear book" or a "book to guide" why book? when it was delivered orally.
In the very chapter (96) that Muslims insert the tradition about Muhammad in the cave, Allah "teaches by the pen" (96:4). This is the stupidity of Islam.
This is an ultimate example when one lie so much then they actually forget what the truth really is like...living in too much lie is creating this identity crisis situation for them this is what i feel n this existential crisis n stubborn behaviour makes them violent.
@@villainousssb533 I am safe. My family knew about it recently. My brother do not talk to me anymore. But that does not affect me with the grace of God. Even if they kill me I will not return to the darkness. Please pray that they, too, know Jesus.
Another master-piece of argument and offcourse eloquence and gentle soothing voice is always there. As I mentioned before this man really knows the way how to criticize and convey the message with great communication and convincing abilities.. This is the age of raising argument with ethics, modesty and logical explanation rather than raising youe voices.. Unfortunately, we the mojority of muslims lacking such kind of attitude towards religious knowledge. (Exceptions are always there).
When one shops for nearly everything, it all has an expiration date. This includes manure -- consider that dog droppings turn white. Manure is at least useful for something. Once it is turned to mold, it would be considered, toxic to at least breathe in the spores. The only reason I can see that there is a Qu'ran is so we can prove it ridiculous, and help people learn to think. Outside of that, it is way past its expiration date. Bravo, good job. Love your videos.
It is interesting that until the 20th century, the imams, qadis, sheiks and ayatollahs did not claim that the Quran had been perfectly preserved, either through memorization or written copies. They all knew that different versions existed, and only agreed that the timeless ideal original in Paradise was perfect. So what changed? When Morocco and Egypt went bankrupt and got European bankers as rulers, and the Ottoman Empire collapsed, which happened after the previous big blow of the demise of the Mughal Empire of India, the early 20th also witnessed the Soviet absorption of all of the Stans and China's grab of Mongolia and Xinjiang. A very demoralized, defeated, and greatly impoverished Islamic civilization became ultra defensive, and ultra resentful of the Christians and Hindus who could suddenly thrive in their midst rather than be oppressed by their Muslim masters. Cultural Muslims, who had never believed, began to defend the indefensible, in a society where loss of face, honor and shame, was important, not truth nor guilt nor innocence. The religious began making much more grandiose claims of superiority and perfection than had been made about Islam in many centuries. It is the superiority complex of someone with an inferiority complex, which a totally defeated and discredited political-economic-social system named Islam quite rightly had. It was proven inadequate to modernity in every possible way, it was bankrupt, and its people illiterate barefoot peasants with precious few exceptions. Hence, the lie about the never corrupted perfectly preserved Quran was cooked up and spread.
This channel is treasure for us non muslim because it exposes the true Islam from its sources than muslim scholars that always lie to hide the dark side of Islam. Now we can expose their lies with their own souces..
To ISLAM CRITIQUED . You are doing GREAT work in destroying the EVIL CULT called islam.! Thank you for telling the TRUTH , because islam cannot handle the TRUTH !!!
Why this verse was ignored in some early cases of Islamic law is a mystery, and proposes one of several similar problems for early canonization of the Quran.
I think there are so many words that are in Islamic books but Muslims themselves, do not understand their meanings. That's you will find someone keep defending his religion even if it doesn't make any logical sense. For example, their views of a god is something that deserves their worship, I mean even even if it share the same unique characteristics (like: eternal/uncreated, holy, creator) with another. Allah, Quran, Issa (spirit proceeding from Allah) all are eternal but for them god is Allah only.
In contrast to the common faIse reading by lsIamic "scholars" who read "iIIiterate prophet" (or something similar) in Quran 7-157, the proper reading is actually "prophet to the nation" (related to the word uma - nation). This phrase is actually most likely based and plagiarized from Jeremiah 1-5 which mentions "prophet to the nations".
@@sayedf11 The very fact that you think you can't die from being poisoned years later shows that you don't understand how poison works. Also, Muhammad himself admitted it was the poison that was killing him in numerous Sahih and Hasan hadiths.
If "Allah" prefers writing, why did he pick a warlord who could not write, or read to absorb his message ????? I suspect that Allah added that afterwards.
The so-called prophet of lsIam is widely known as "Muhammad", but that was not his actual name. Note that in the Quran, an explicit occurrence of the name "Muhammad" for the so-called prophet of lsIam is very rare, and only appear a few of times throughout the entire Quran. Using the name "Muhammad" is actually part of an lsIamic attempt to plagiarize, copy and present the so-called prophet of lsIam in a similar manner to the Prophet Daniel. The Prophet Daniel is nicknamed "Ish H'amudot" - a man of H'amudot (H'-M-D as root. One way to translate it is "man of grace"). Angels, such as the angel Gabriel are said to have appeared to him with visions, revelations and that which is written in truth. See also: Daniel 9 : 21-23, 10 : 11, 10 : 21. This is not unlike the rest of the Quran, which is a twisted badly man-made plagiat with an "lsIamic" twist.
@@ReasonedAnswers That was my guess as well. TH-cam's comment system is horrible. Strangely, I tried posting it a few more times with different wording in different times and it still becomes invisble.
@@ReasonedAnswers I tried posting it again now, although cut-down into only a few lines of text, and this time it appears to be visible for now. TH-cam's comment system is probally the worst thing about it (and that's saying something, because there is plenty bad). Funny how every basic site with a comment system has a better one than what Google can make with it's billions of dollars.
@@humansdosuck _"TH-cam's comment system is probally the worst thing about it"_ Very true. Considering how impressive some of Google's AI stuff is, it is amazing to me how bad their spam AI is. I would guess they probably just don't care at all about YT comments.
That moment around the 10:15 mark, when hearing you speak the words, "ummi, ummiyyun, and umma," for a moment took me back to my childhood. It almost sounded like "ooby, scooby, dooby." But then I remembered where I was and what I was listening to -- dangit!
Dear Muslims, The proof of this is found in the words of the Sahaba discussing the manuscripts. For instance this is a word Umar believed was the correct word in 62:9 (فامضوا) Faisaaw Whereas the Uthmanic Quran has: (فاسعوا) Famzo Now looking at both words and their transliterations, does it seem more likely to be a mistake that was made when transmitted orally or written down? This is extremely common in the hadith collections, for instance Ibn Abbas believed for 13:31 that. (يتبين Yatbain) while Uthman had (يَا۟يْـَٔسِ Yay-Asi). Again, look at the oral transmission and the written one, I think it's pretty obvious that this was a written text. So the claim of "oral preservation" is outright wrong. It was a written scripture And it wasn't preserved I don't understand why this argument even exists!
@@sayedf11 Dear Muslim, Im not a Christian so I have no interest in your biblical criticisms. Furthermore both narrations are Sahih according to Ibn Hajar, quite a poor reply from you I'm afraid
@@sayedf11 Yes from my experience you have a habit of engaging in whataboutism as a method of avoiding criticism of your faith. Truly pathetic but not unexpected with your track record. Ever thought outside your bubble about why there are hundreds of Hadith contradicting the Quran? Almost as if the Quran is not from God, Muhammad was fallible and the Quran is a corrupted scripture 🤔
"Yes from my experience you have a habit of engaging in whataboutism" I'm glad someone decoded his posts because I have no idea what his methodology is.
@@IslamCritiqued Honestly I doubt it can even be called a methodology. All it is is simply: "I have little knowledge of the topic being discussed about my own faith (example, not knowing the Umar and Abbas hadith are Sahih) and I can't rightfully defend my texts!". So because he has no argument he has to resort to biblical criticism as a way to stave off criticism. It's a dirty tactic and an outright a stupid tactic (as it is designed to tug the conservation from the topic at hand). He's not here in good faith for reasonable debate basically
Allah prefers writing and we did write it down. It also says for us to memorise. And we did. We had a compilation at the time of Abu Bakr. The missing verses were ALSO memorised but abrogated when the ordering of the Quran was decided by the Prophet.
At 10:30 I don't think just because he could erase his name or title means he was necessarily literate. Same with him ordering an ink pot to be brought so "he may write", he may have meant "so I may dictate what to write." The use of ummi you pointed out in the Qur'an is interesting though. Personally I'm not sure if he was literate or not. I'll remain open on the issue
“6[Prophet], We shall teach you [the Qur’an] and you will not forget- 7unless God wishes; He knows both what is open and what is hidden-” As a convert to Islam, learning that the Quran originally contained more surahs and ayahs than the one we have today was not an issue for me. I could imagine, however, that a Muslim who was taught as a child that there hasn’t been a single iota lost since the time of the prophet would be heartbroken upon learning this. I’m fortunate that I didn’t have to endure such a crisis. I do, however, find a hadith you mentioned very interesting. in this Hadith, Umar is shown to have extreme reverence for the integrity of the Quran, fearing that the only way he could include the stoning verse, which he was certain came in the form of Quranic revelation, was an in artificial way. That hadith is really satisfying to me. Interesting video and one that I would actually recommend other Muslims watch (besides the shameful, insulting vocab malone cameo)
You do realize that you have to carry this through, not only to your interpretation of 6:115, 2:75-79, 18:27...et al, but to the Torah and the Gospel. The problems here become unavoidable, given the Quran quotes just about everything but the Torah and Gospel. You also might want to see the other videos I've produced so far in this series. th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gz5rSB73mUbKxhYVozt5seY.html
Islam Critiqued Ill check out your other videos, and I do accept the Torah and the Gospel. I believe any corruption which they’ve endured is through corrupted interpretation on behalf of any particular Priest, monk, Rabbi or layman. Any verses which have been lost have been lost by Gods will (I know an atheist wouldn’t let me get away with this, but I have confidence you will).
This raises the problem of the Quran's bizarre use of sources, and it's contradictions with the previous scriptures. Please see here for more info: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gwtNCdaRTHH1sOcRnSOoyKY.html. Thanks for your comments.
Funny that even if you preserve lie - it's still a preserved lie. Jesus died on cross as a historical fact, and His mother and most loved deciple was in front of the cross, and he was still saying important things. AND, Bible says Jesus was so hurt that He did not looked like human anymore - so there is NO reason for alahu to make SOMEONE look like Jesus, becasue He looked like a mess, our beloved Lord. So what's the point making person look like Jesus if on the cross He did not looked human anymore, what's the point, muslims?
You put in a lot of effort into your videos with great references debunking Islamic claims. Your channel needs exposure! Why don't you consider engaging yourself in live chats with D.wood or Christian Prince? It'd help your channel and potentially help many others too.
What about the claim from the Mohammedans that the Birmingham Manuscript "perfectly" show that the Quran is unchanged? What do we know so far about that topic? Is it realy the same text we find in the modern Quran ?
As far as I know it's only 2 pages (Surah 18:17-31, 19:91-98; 20:1-40). It looks more like a proto-Quran because it includes the seven sleepers of Ephesus (18:17-31), Proto-Evangelium of James and Pseudo Gospel of Matthew (19:91-98). It's obviously nonsense to argue that such a fragmentary manuscript proves the entire Quran.
Had to have been. Jewish tribes were all over the area, he enacted mass discrimination laws against them including deportations. Clearly the opportunity for Jewish influence is there
While employed with Kadijah he must have travelled to the commercial centres of the region and would definitely have met Jews and also adherents of other religions.
@@sayedf11 The only people who are banned is those that act like children. If you think spewing insulting and curse words counts as "refuting," then I feel sorry for you.
Hi Islam Critiqued, despite me showing all these facts, how do I respond when a Muslim claims that the Hafiz, or reciters are able to recite the same Quran and correct each other, completing a full quranic text? Thanks
ask them what sources confirms the Quran has been orally transmitted through people. If they say hadiths, just respond and say that we have ACTUAL MANUSCRIPTS (and aren't just random things said by people) of the Bible itself that date earlier than hadiths. If they tell you about the Birmingham manuscript, just reply that it literally contains under 1% of the Quran, and that the Sanaa manuscript is a much better choice to validate the "unchanged" Quran. Show them the upper layer text, they'll say it's not that corrupted (if they say it's a human error mistake, just say that memorizing something has a higher chance of making errors), while continuing to claim that it's completely uncorrupted. Show them the lower (original) text and they'll start to muslim shuffle.
If Mohamad cannot read then how did he knew what was written at the angel (somewhere at the shoulder or back). Was there somebody else that can read in the room with him when the angel came?
So, when allah inspired mohammed to SPEAK, he referred to that speech as a book? I would think , if he knew it would be written down, he'd say something that could refer to both the speech and the book like "these verses". Very odd...
Whether or not Mohammed could write, he had several scribes according to the sunnah. One of them was his cousin Ali with whom he was raised. (Which raises the question why one could read and write but the other could not, and who kept the books for Khadijah's business.) Nevertheless, lots of traditions say that the revelations were written on bone, leaves, parchment, etc. by the scribes, and Mohammed's Companions read from them to memorize. Also that Mohammed kept these records in a chest under Aisha's bed, organized in the correct order. So what ever happened to the chest under Aisha's bed containing the entire written Quran? What happened to the other wife's collection that was used, along with memorized portions (there is no claim that any single Companion or Ansar had memorized the entire Quran) to assemble the caliphs' copies? Why wouldn't any of the Companions, Ansars, wives or caliphs have preserved these perfect written versions? Answer: because it wasn't much of anything,just a few scraps. So the warlords gathered together material that had been written before Mohammed, mostly by Arabian poets, and assembled it into a "book" so the new rulers over the Christian Middle East could say "we have a book too, and it is better than your's". That's all. It was, and still is, political.
Thank goodness the One True God wakes humankind up through His Holy Spirit....ALL praises to Messiah Yeshua and to the God of Israel...thank you again for your content...Blessings!
Mohammed worked for Kadidscha as a trader, it seems inpossible that he could not read contracts. And when the Petra theorie is right, he lived in a town with high culture. Mekka is not on a place for a trade-city and many discribimgs of Mekka in the koran does not match to Mekka in Saudi Arabia.
Your language is very fast. It would be better for the Conent to make after every Sentence a short break, my be for one breathe. You will have mäny hearers, wehich are not native english speakers and for them, a goog rythem of text an breaks is important.
Amen! Seek the truth no matter what the cost. When you know better you do better. Christ church is built on a rock. Islam is on shifting sands sinking sands as Muslims are waking up to the truth. I pray all their sees be opened in Jesus name.
@@IslamCritiqued still, when all narrations have others write for him and no narration with himself having ever written anything, I think the evidence speak more for him being illiterate. Why wouldnt he write anything of the quran? What about the case when one of his scribes (i dont remember his name) altered what he was being told from the quran and then fled to mekka and saying that muhammad is a false prophet? Why would muhammad put himself in this risk when he doesnt have to? And what if he tried to write something on his death bed? It doesnt prove that he can
@@IslamCritiqued and i dont think they are valid. The fact that he was able to erase the phrase pbuh means that he can recognise a few words. He's a 60 year old man, he was dictating a lot of text to his scirbes for years, it's not unlikely that he started to be able to recognise a few words. And like I said, the fact that he asked for pen and paper on his deathbed as a last ditch effort doesnt proof that he would have been able to sucessfully write something.edited 'dictating' to 'dictating'
How can you claim that mohhamad is not a true prophet when he invented (ofc, allah told him so) time machine? You can see him clearly, in his own flesh, @ 8:45 ? Ahamdulillah 🤣🤣
You are wrong. God promised to protect Quran in the memorized/recited form (Al-Zikr / Recitation/ Rememberance) as God clearly states this in Chapter 15 verse 9: "Surely We, Ever We, have been sending down the Remembrance, and surely We are indeed Preservers of it.". So, you are wrong regarding your biased inference based on the other Verse where God specifically mentioning the transactions among Muslims. Also, Tradition relies on the claimed hadith reports but they are also wrong. According to Quran, Muslims only must follow what was sent down, which is Quran, but nothing else as a book. So, all your critiques using the claimed hadith reports can go to the Tradition but not to Islam. You can ONLY use verses in Quran to critique Islam. As a Muslim, I only regard Quran but nothing else as the source of Islam. No one knows if those claimed hadith reports are correct or not and hence cannot be used to critique Islam. So, yes, the main medium of the transmission of Quran is Oral transmission of the Recitation of it and does not depend on any manuscript. And, 97% of Muslims use the same exact recitation (called historically as al-qraat al-amma by the masses of people) and it is also known as the Common Recitaion among Muslims with historical reports "as well". So bad for your clip, but Quran has been 100% preserved word for word and you have no much knowledge about it. If you like to criticize Tradition, go for it but they are already wrong by accepting those claimed hadith reports along with Quran as the second source in their beliefs. So, what you would critique is against the Tradition but not to Islam in that case.
Surah 15:9 doesn't say to what extent the Quran will be protected. The modern Quranic manuscripts have textual variants. So he didn't guard it perfectly. You at least have to admit he didn't guard the manuscripts. That opens the question up to what else he didn't guard? "According to Quran, Muslims only must follow what was sent down," you also have to obey the messenger (Surah 3:31-32, 4:59, 5:92...etc). How can you obey him if you don't know what he said to do? " No one knows if those claimed hadith reports are correct or not and hence cannot be used to critique Islam." That is wrong. The majority of Islam is built on Hadith (i.e. sharia law). Even if all hadith were false, they constitute a reality today. "So, yes, the main medium of the transmission of Quran is Oral transmission of the Recitation of it and does not depend on any manuscript." The Quran doesn't say that. The Quran encourages writing (2:282) for preservation. "So bad for your clip, but Quran has been 100% preserved word for word and you have no much knowledge about it." That is demonstrably false. All you're doing is repeating what you've been told with a Quran only spin to it. Do you have any data to back up your claim or not?
@@IslamCritiqued You are speaking with the mouth of the Tradition, which does NOT represent Islam. Islam is what is in Quran, period!. God guarded it perfectly and we can clearly witness that 97% of Muslims RECITE the exact same message al-qraat al-amma (common recitation). As I told God promised to guard the RECITATION (al-Zikr) but no written book! This is very clear you accept or not, which does not change this fact. I also criticize the Tradition, which is the majority, for adding the claimed hadith repost along with Quran. Your arguments to follw messenger is avery common one the Tradition use against us. But, it is clear that God means to follow Quran by that. If we were living in Prophet time, yes we would follow him but he does not. And according to Quran, his duty is only to bring the message to humanity but nothing else. There are verses in Quran that tells us what prophet said and did. So, when you follow them and follow the message in Quran, then you follow the messenger. It is a common discussion between the Traditionalist and the minority of Muslims who follows only Quran. I got this conclusion at age 40 by a careful reading of Quran. I did not follow my for-fathers but used my mind, read Quran and ended up with this conclusion. Anyways, Tradition has many contradictions as there are many contradictory claimed hadith reports and they have to deal with them! It is easy for you criticize based on those. But, be honest and do not say against Islam but say against the Tradition.
"we can clearly witness that 97% of Muslims RECITE the exact same message al-qraat al-amma (common recitation)." That's nothing but your traditional belief. "As I told God promised to guard the RECITATION (al-Zikr) but no written book!" That's a lie. See Surah 85:21-22. "If we were living in Prophet time, yes we would follow him but he does not." So Muhammad was the best example only while he was living? Or he's an excellent example for you to follow now as well? "There are verses in Quran that tells us what prophet said and did." Which prophet? The Quran speaks mostly to a "messenger," not a prophet. This messenger is unidentified. Your tradition is the only thing telling you it's Muhammad, the name, or title, only being mentioned a handful of times without any clue who the person is.
@@IslamCritiqued you misunderstandings is not Islam, Write the most important verse over which you can criticize Islam. I have limited time. When I answer that one and you understand you were wrong then you sort start correcting the rest yourself.
In this video we examine the fact that the Quran speaks of itself as a written book, and places priority on writing as the strongest form of evidence. Muslims who argue for oral transmission over written transmission therefore contradict the Quran. We also examine some early traditions attesting to the forgetfulness of the early Muslims, further illustrating that claims of oral preservation fall flat. Finally, we examine claims of the so-called, "illiterate" prophet. As an added bonus, Muhammad makes a guest appearance. Muslims are desperately trying to show the miracles of their book, and are failing at every attempt. Quran vs. Tradition playlist is here: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gz5rSB73mUbKxhYVozt5seY.html. Quran Specific playlist is here: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gwtNCdaRTHH1sOcRnSOoyKY.html. For a text-based version of this video, with links to sources where applicable, see here: drive.google.com/open?id=1Yshl4_faAtxb6RQeZAKIGsO5Hu7814td. Remember to download to your phone via the Microsoft Word app for full, mobile functionality and quick navigation.
If the Quran speaks for itself why do Muslims have to come to the Muslim Hadiths for guidance??
The Muslim Hadiths were written approximately 281 years to 310 years AFTER muhamMAD death..
There is no logic in Islam.
muhamMAD=MADness.
A very good point: Allah and his eternal book, which he said he sent down to mohammed, and muslims say they don't need it!
Although, allah does not always remember what he said before, as we can see in the story of Adam and Iblis. So maybe allah needs the book more than muslims. This really makes me wonder.
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Bahahaha “hear it from his own lips”
I wasn’t expecting that 😂
Congratulations on getting a bookshelf, a prerequisite for every TH-cam Christian apologist!
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I’ve memorized the Bible’s doctrine, so what’s your point? Can you recite the Quran? If so, please recite the verses of stoning and breastfeeding adults ten times (since the Quran has been memorized this shouldn’t be a problem), I’ll wait...
Please pray for my family.
I know with God everything is possible but I have not much hope for them. I can't get past their ignorance: my brother even boast in it and look down on me for believing in the trinity.
God bless you all
Will do
They are in my prayers.
If it is God's will, he will open their eyes.
Stay safe, brother.
Amen brother
Wish You The Best I will pray for your family. May God bless you!
My teenager called this “ASMR Quran debunking.” I don’t know why I laughed so hard.
That’s a pretty accurate description of this channel, ngl 🤣
It seems that Allah's proclamations cannot be too important if so easily forgetten and dismissed.
A typical game of chinese whispers lasts 10 minutes.
Muhammads game of chinese whispers is still ongoing 14 centuries later.
You know the expression Chineese Whispers in French? It's called Téléphone Arabe...
In Serbia, we call it "deaf telephones" 😁
Another great video! The idea that the Quran was perfectly preserved by oral transmission against the manuscripts is laughable. Just ask - which is more likely to change over time - your memory or what you wrote on a piece of paper. And are we supposed to believe the people writing the manuscripts are the only ones who made errors someone?
Love the ending and Vocab cameo.
I love your work, man! Seriously! Looking forward for the next lesson! SO MUCH information in such a short time! RESPECT! GOD bless you brother
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During outreach I have spoken to so many muslims. 90% doesn't know what a prophecy is or has any knowledge of qoran/tafsir/hadith. They call mohamed their prophet but cannot tell any prophecy. Thank you for sharing the truth.
They know nothing ... some wears hijab even correctly and dont evrn know what aqida or tawheed they know nothing. Especially to think crictly or with sceptism
@@sayedf11 yeah i mean no confusion in following an old man who had sex with a 9 yr old, committed adultery, lusted after and stole the wife of his adopted son, assassinated those who mocked him etc.
Your problem is your Allah is limited but YhWh isn't. I mean your quran can become a man yet Allah can't. 😆
@@sayedf11 No classical scholars denied Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her. Your lame math is just made up by some modern scholars who get embarrassed too much by their prophet's perverted deeds.
@@sayedf11 so you want to dismiss 5 of your canonical hadith collection for some donkey bullshit. I'll take sahih Bukhari and Muslim over your bullshit.
Stupid donkey there hadith stating when Muhammad died she was 18.
It is so obvious how much hard work you put into your videos. I have learnt so much from you and I absolutely love your channel! I hope sometime in the future you'll make a video about how to approach muslims and which subjects to tackle first when talking to them (or maybe you have, I haven't seen all of your videos yet). I grew up in an environment where there are many muslims and I never had a successful conversation with any of them, it always ends with a "you misunderstand the Quran, Muhammad was the best men ever and people only lie about him to lead you away from the truth" and similar things. I truly want to help them see through the lies they've been indoctrinated with all their lives but I feel like talking to a wall. It hurts me seeing how much devotion and love for Muhammad exists in their hearts knowing what this man was truly like.
Islam! What a religion!
Thank you always for work well done! Keep up good ministry and God bless.
This is ground breaking stuff. We are the first generation to have publicly available information on textual variants and this video gets to their main response. These arguments will be around a long time.
And they will only get stronger.
@@IslamCritiqued ❤❤
This channel is very good and deserves a much wider audience. Thoroughly logical and academic. Thanks for posting.
Feel free to help spread it in YT comments. :)
Awesome vid Colin....bring CP on your channel..it will be fun. I am sure you must have heard CP ripped Hijab and D Gang.
@@sayedf11 Its not about CP...its about your enlightenment, you keep following your Pro Md and guys like Hijab, dig yourself a grave, by the time you realize it will be too late. I am hoping you'll open your eyes soon. Its so obvious..when you read your book, it just doesn't sound right and doesn't make sense. You guys wont accept it, simple as that, since you are institutionalized since birth, hard to deny, ego hurts. We can understand. I would have felt the same, but I would have searched for truth and applied my brain to understand whether this makes sense or not and I hope you have one too. Its somewhere in your head.
Dear o dear the knife of truth cuts through.
Hand and pen keeps its edge sharper than the most diligent tongue.
Out of the park, once again!
Excellent information & presentation here.
I hope Muslims will actually watch the video...with the volume up, and their eyes towards the screen...
When Umar was burning all those extra Qurans, I wonder who was guiding him about exact dots and commas,or chapter revelation dates,or number of words in the verses,as we know it was collected and written down after questioning random Abduls around the village. Calling it a book is an insult to a library
Islam Critiqued,exquis comme d'habitude
@@AnDailyTalk Christian's and jews are monotheistic. Our god is called yahweh.
I suspect that Umar was motivated by the "urgency of the moment". What resulted was later declared as the word of the only deity, forever more. No such claim existed in any other belief system.
And as far as I know, no other belief systems advocates murdering it's adherents, when they leave.
Islam is a political construct, masquerading as spirituality.
Because those extra burned scriptures maybe the original quran which actually taught trinity. Don't say impossible because we dont have comparative scriptures, so anything possible. :D
@@AnDailyTalk Even Quran confirms Jesus is Kalimatullah (Word of God) and Ruhullah (Spirit of God). I'm not saying Christianity is true, I'm saying it's obvious Mohammed just memorized anything he heard from Jews, Christians, even story tellers and spit it out anytime he needed it to brainwash his brainless companions.
@@AnDailyTalk Dude come on it's obvious, Mohammed even repeated Bible scientific error about moon because he simply just plagiarized it. Just compare Genesis 1:16 and Quran 10:5. And why are you laughing, do you feel insecure? Btw a goat ate Quran verse about breastfeeding adult lol.
I'm confident that mohammed was more literate than most muslims who can't stop themselves from writing the most irrelevant things in response to this very clear message. You mention so many references about missing surahs and ayahs, and still muslims haste themselves to saying that the Qur'an was miraculously preserved. They don't even believe their own books!
i have wondered about why the quran calls itself a book, many times its called a "clear book" or a "book to guide" why book? when it was delivered orally.
In the very chapter (96) that Muslims insert the tradition about Muhammad in the cave, Allah "teaches by the pen" (96:4). This is the stupidity of Islam.
@@IslamCritiqued great note. I am not surprised, I have low expectations to Islam now. Thanks IC :)
Islam Critiqued. Ouch. So savage.
@@IslamCritiqued i guess Allah's pen doesn't write.
Thanks for your detail work, I like the vocab clip
Thank you very much for your work!
This is an ultimate example when one lie so much then they actually forget what the truth really is like...living in too much lie is creating this identity crisis situation for them this is what i feel n this existential crisis n stubborn behaviour makes them violent.
I just remember, didn't Allah creat the pen first of everything else?
See the thumbnail for this video =)
@yabon banania "first prove a god." Which one? Zues? That bastard!! Lol
A blessed new year for you and your beloved ones! Please keep up the good work next year.
Love your videos... proud to be a subscriber
God bless you.
Mrov. Hope you are keeping safe bro. Peace be with you
@@villainousssb533 I am safe. My family knew about it recently.
My brother do not talk to me anymore. But that does not affect me with the grace of God. Even if they kill me I will not return to the darkness. Please pray that they, too, know Jesus.
@@villainousssb533 God bless you.
Mrov good as done. 🙏. Bit of a tough time for you too then. Praying 🙏 for u too.
@@lukesalazar9283
I am an ex-Muslim.
There is absolutely no way Muhammad could have been unable to read and write. How did he keep track of Kadijas trade business?
Thanks! Great video & great blessing to us all!
Another master-piece of argument and offcourse eloquence and gentle soothing voice is always there. As I mentioned before this man really knows the way how to criticize and convey the message with great communication and convincing abilities..
This is the age of raising argument with ethics, modesty and logical explanation rather than raising youe voices..
Unfortunately, we the mojority of muslims lacking such kind of attitude towards religious knowledge. (Exceptions are always there).
@@sayedf11
Here is a very pristine case of Sakina and at-taqwā,
th-cam.com/video/pWzEHAnLo5Y/w-d-xo.html
amazing video god bless u brother
When one shops for nearly everything, it all has an expiration date. This includes manure -- consider that dog droppings turn white. Manure is at least useful for something. Once it is turned to mold, it would be considered, toxic to at least breathe in the spores.
The only reason I can see that there is a Qu'ran is so we can prove it ridiculous, and help people learn to think. Outside of that, it is way past its expiration date.
Bravo, good job. Love your videos.
Gotta love the dead calm approach while annihilating the claims, which slightly reminds me of Dry Humour. lol
Well said my friend 👏👏👏💖, I really love how well organized and thorough your work is. 👍💞
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It is interesting that until the 20th century, the imams, qadis, sheiks and ayatollahs did not claim that the Quran had been perfectly preserved, either through memorization or written copies. They all knew that different versions existed, and only agreed that the timeless ideal original in Paradise was perfect.
So what changed?
When Morocco and Egypt went bankrupt and got European bankers as rulers, and the Ottoman Empire collapsed, which happened after the previous big blow of the demise of the Mughal Empire of India, the early 20th also witnessed the Soviet absorption of all of the Stans and China's grab of Mongolia and Xinjiang.
A very demoralized, defeated, and greatly impoverished Islamic civilization became ultra defensive, and ultra resentful of the Christians and Hindus who could suddenly thrive in their midst rather than be oppressed by their Muslim masters.
Cultural Muslims, who had never believed, began to defend the indefensible, in a society where loss of face, honor and shame, was important, not truth nor guilt nor innocence.
The religious began making much more grandiose claims of superiority and perfection than had been made about Islam in many centuries.
It is the superiority complex of someone with an inferiority complex, which a totally defeated and discredited political-economic-social system named Islam quite rightly had. It was proven inadequate to modernity in every possible way, it was bankrupt, and its people illiterate barefoot peasants with precious few exceptions.
Hence, the lie about the never corrupted perfectly preserved Quran was cooked up and spread.
I personally like the guys who say that anything destroyed in the hadith collections were all things that were abrogated anyways so who cares.
Yes... and yet much of the quran was abrogated also.😏
Well done!
This channel is treasure for us non muslim because it exposes the true Islam from its sources than muslim scholars that always lie to hide the dark side of Islam. Now we can expose their lies with their own souces..
To ISLAM CRITIQUED .
You are doing GREAT work in destroying the EVIL CULT called islam.!
Thank you for telling the TRUTH , because islam cannot handle the TRUTH !!!
Allah prefers a written contract. Excellent point!
Why this verse was ignored in some early cases of Islamic law is a mystery, and proposes one of several similar problems for early canonization of the Quran.
I think there are so many words that are in Islamic books but Muslims themselves, do not understand their meanings. That's you will find someone keep defending his religion even if it doesn't make any logical sense. For example, their views of a god is something that deserves their worship, I mean even even if it share the same unique characteristics (like: eternal/uncreated, holy, creator) with another. Allah, Quran, Issa (spirit proceeding from Allah) all are eternal but for them god is Allah only.
Mr. Colin your two arms are so big and strong,, you are showing light to narrow minded people.
In contrast to the common faIse reading by lsIamic "scholars" who read "iIIiterate prophet" (or something similar) in Quran 7-157, the proper reading is actually "prophet to the nation" (related to the word uma - nation). This phrase is actually most likely based and plagiarized from Jeremiah 1-5 which mentions "prophet to the nations".
A great topic to tie-in with this is Muhammad's early death from being poisoned. Excellent work as usual!
Oh that topic is coming up soon as well.
@@sayedf11 The very fact that you think you can't die from being poisoned years later shows that you don't understand how poison works. Also, Muhammad himself admitted it was the poison that was killing him in numerous Sahih and Hasan hadiths.
If "Allah" prefers writing, why did he pick a warlord who could not write, or read to absorb his message ?????
I suspect that Allah added that afterwards.
The so-called prophet of lsIam is widely known as "Muhammad", but that was not his actual name. Note that in the Quran, an explicit occurrence of the name "Muhammad" for the so-called prophet of lsIam is very rare, and only appear a few of times throughout the entire Quran. Using the name "Muhammad" is actually part of an lsIamic attempt to plagiarize, copy and present the so-called prophet of lsIam in a similar manner to the Prophet Daniel.
The Prophet Daniel is nicknamed "Ish H'amudot" - a man of H'amudot (H'-M-D as root. One way to translate it is "man of grace"). Angels, such as the angel Gabriel are said to have appeared to him with visions, revelations and that which is written in truth. See also: Daniel 9 : 21-23, 10 : 11, 10 : 21.
This is not unlike the rest of the Quran, which is a twisted badly man-made plagiat with an "lsIamic" twist.
Interesting material, as usual.
@@humansdosuck TH-cam's spam filter is terrible. Most likely that is what happened to the other comment.
@@ReasonedAnswers That was my guess as well. TH-cam's comment system is horrible. Strangely, I tried posting it a few more times with different wording in different times and it still becomes invisble.
@@ReasonedAnswers I tried posting it again now, although cut-down into only a few lines of text, and this time it appears to be visible for now. TH-cam's comment system is probally the worst thing about it (and that's saying something, because there is plenty bad). Funny how every basic site with a comment system has a better one than what Google can make with it's billions of dollars.
@@humansdosuck _"TH-cam's comment system is probally the worst thing about it"_ Very true. Considering how impressive some of Google's AI stuff is, it is amazing to me how bad their spam AI is. I would guess they probably just don't care at all about YT comments.
Very nice piece of research.
That moment around the 10:15 mark, when hearing you speak the words, "ummi, ummiyyun, and umma," for a moment took me back to my childhood. It almost sounded like "ooby, scooby, dooby." But then I remembered where I was and what I was listening to -- dangit!
Dear Muslims,
The proof of this is found in the words of the Sahaba discussing the manuscripts. For instance this is a word Umar believed was the correct word in 62:9
(فامضوا) Faisaaw
Whereas the Uthmanic Quran has:
(فاسعوا) Famzo
Now looking at both words and their transliterations, does it seem more likely to be a mistake that was made when transmitted orally or written down?
This is extremely common in the hadith collections, for instance Ibn Abbas believed for 13:31 that. (يتبين Yatbain) while Uthman had (يَا۟يْـَٔسِ Yay-Asi). Again, look at the oral transmission and the written one, I think it's pretty obvious that this was a written text.
So the claim of "oral preservation" is outright wrong.
It was a written scripture
And it wasn't preserved
I don't understand why this argument even exists!
@@sayedf11
Dear Muslim,
Im not a Christian so I have no interest in your biblical criticisms. Furthermore both narrations are Sahih according to Ibn Hajar, quite a poor reply from you I'm afraid
@@sayedf11
Yes from my experience you have a habit of engaging in whataboutism as a method of avoiding criticism of your faith. Truly pathetic but not unexpected with your track record. Ever thought outside your bubble about why there are hundreds of Hadith contradicting the Quran? Almost as if the Quran is not from God, Muhammad was fallible and the Quran is a corrupted scripture 🤔
"Yes from my experience you have a habit of engaging in whataboutism" I'm glad someone decoded his posts because I have no idea what his methodology is.
@@IslamCritiqued it's called "Copy and pasting with nonsensical insults and arguments"
@@IslamCritiqued
Honestly I doubt it can even be called a methodology. All it is is simply: "I have little knowledge of the topic being discussed about my own faith (example, not knowing the Umar and Abbas hadith are Sahih) and I can't rightfully defend my texts!". So because he has no argument he has to resort to biblical criticism as a way to stave off criticism. It's a dirty tactic and an outright a stupid tactic (as it is designed to tug the conservation from the topic at hand). He's not here in good faith for reasonable debate basically
Allah prefers writing and we did write it down. It also says for us to memorise. And we did. We had a compilation at the time of Abu Bakr. The missing verses were ALSO memorised but abrogated when the ordering of the Quran was decided by the Prophet.
Please create a podcast. You will have many supporters. Thank you for your videos.
At 10:30 I don't think just because he could erase his name or title means he was necessarily literate. Same with him ordering an ink pot to be brought so "he may write", he may have meant "so I may dictate what to write." The use of ummi you pointed out in the Qur'an is interesting though.
Personally I'm not sure if he was literate or not. I'll remain open on the issue
“6[Prophet], We shall teach you [the Qur’an] and you will not forget- 7unless God wishes; He knows both what is open and what is hidden-”
As a convert to Islam, learning that the Quran originally contained more surahs and ayahs than the one we have today was not an issue for me. I could imagine, however, that a Muslim who was taught as a child that there hasn’t been a single iota lost since the time of the prophet would be heartbroken upon learning this. I’m fortunate that I didn’t have to endure such a crisis. I do, however, find a hadith you mentioned very interesting. in this Hadith, Umar is shown to have extreme reverence for the integrity of the Quran, fearing that the only way he could include the stoning verse, which he was certain came in the form of Quranic revelation, was an in artificial way. That hadith is really satisfying to me. Interesting video and one that I would actually recommend other Muslims watch (besides the shameful, insulting vocab malone cameo)
You do realize that you have to carry this through, not only to your interpretation of 6:115, 2:75-79, 18:27...et al, but to the Torah and the Gospel. The problems here become unavoidable, given the Quran quotes just about everything but the Torah and Gospel. You also might want to see the other videos I've produced so far in this series. th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gz5rSB73mUbKxhYVozt5seY.html
Islam Critiqued Ill check out your other videos, and I do accept the Torah and the Gospel. I believe any corruption which they’ve endured is through corrupted interpretation on behalf of any particular Priest, monk, Rabbi or layman. Any verses which have been lost have been lost by Gods will (I know an atheist wouldn’t let me get away with this, but I have confidence you will).
This raises the problem of the Quran's bizarre use of sources, and it's contradictions with the previous scriptures. Please see here for more info: th-cam.com/play/PLVwt18wNX1gwtNCdaRTHH1sOcRnSOoyKY.html. Thanks for your comments.
Heeeey, John of Damascus is my Patron Saint :]
David Wood’s channel brought me here
Great work man!
Funny that even if you preserve lie - it's still a preserved lie. Jesus died on cross as a historical fact, and His mother and most loved deciple was in front of the cross, and he was still saying important things. AND, Bible says Jesus was so hurt that He did not looked like human anymore - so there is NO reason for alahu to make SOMEONE look like Jesus, becasue He looked like a mess, our beloved Lord. So what's the point making person look like Jesus if on the cross He did not looked human anymore, what's the point, muslims?
@@sayedf11
*Muhammad is in Hell, eternally drowning in an ocean of boiling pig shit.*
I bet they will say we are just kids trolling around! Unbelievable.
Nice shout out to ya boy St John of Damascus
You put in a lot of effort into your videos with great references debunking Islamic claims.
Your channel needs exposure! Why don't you consider engaging yourself in live chats with D.wood or Christian Prince? It'd help your channel and potentially help many others too.
Once again a hard hitting in your face video. You ever think of doing a video with Wood or AP?
super
nice work brother.
What about the claim from the Mohammedans that the Birmingham Manuscript "perfectly" show that the Quran is unchanged?
What do we know so far about that topic? Is it realy the same text we find in the modern Quran ?
As far as I know it's only 2 pages (Surah 18:17-31, 19:91-98; 20:1-40). It looks more like a proto-Quran because it includes the seven sleepers of Ephesus (18:17-31), Proto-Evangelium of James and Pseudo Gospel of Matthew (19:91-98). It's obviously nonsense to argue that such a fragmentary manuscript proves the entire Quran.
It's easier to fool people than to make people realize that they have been fooled.
Few vids I even heard Muslims saying..Pro Md. never would have heard the stories since Jewish influence was'nt much around Saudi Arabia at that time.
Had to have been. Jewish tribes were all over the area, he enacted mass discrimination laws against them including deportations. Clearly the opportunity for Jewish influence is there
While employed with Kadijah he must have travelled to the commercial centres of the region and would definitely have met Jews and also adherents of other religions.
The faintest ink is more powerful than the strongest memory.
I bet the Abdools have no answer to this.
That is a very safe bet!
@@sayedf11 The only people who are banned is those that act like children. If you think spewing insulting and curse words counts as "refuting," then I feel sorry for you.
@@ReasonedAnswers I'm honestly surprised that Sayedf11 hasn't been banned yet.
@@sgt.krakatoa1093 He was once for a little while... I think he stays around because he is a living meme here.
Reasoned Answers apologetics videos actually i like that, just the person everyone ignores due to copy pasta
Why do you think there is a game called Chinese Whispers. This itself disproves the legitimacy of oral preservation of such long texts.
Hi Islam Critiqued, despite me showing all these facts, how do I respond when a Muslim claims that the Hafiz, or reciters are able to recite the same Quran and correct each other, completing a full quranic text?
Thanks
ask them what sources confirms the Quran has been orally transmitted through people. If they say hadiths, just respond and say that we have ACTUAL MANUSCRIPTS (and aren't just random things said by people) of the Bible itself that date earlier than hadiths. If they tell you about the Birmingham manuscript, just reply that it literally contains under 1% of the Quran, and that the Sanaa manuscript is a much better choice to validate the "unchanged" Quran. Show them the upper layer text, they'll say it's not that corrupted (if they say it's a human error mistake, just say that memorizing something has a higher chance of making errors), while continuing to claim that it's completely uncorrupted. Show them the lower (original) text and they'll start to muslim shuffle.
Fascinating!
will never be enough😢
There are videos of children memorizing the Quran. They use books. They look at the book and memorize it. Chicken and egg?
If Mohamad cannot read then how did he knew what was written at the angel (somewhere at the shoulder or back). Was there somebody else that can read in the room with him when the angel came?
So, when allah inspired mohammed to SPEAK, he referred to that speech as a book? I would think , if he knew it would be written down, he'd say something that could refer to both the speech and the book like "these verses". Very odd...
Whether or not Mohammed could write, he had several scribes according to the sunnah. One of them was his cousin Ali with whom he was raised. (Which raises the question why one could read and write but the other could not, and who kept the books for Khadijah's business.) Nevertheless, lots of traditions say that the revelations were written on bone, leaves, parchment, etc. by the scribes, and Mohammed's Companions read from them to memorize. Also that Mohammed kept these records in a chest under Aisha's bed, organized in the correct order. So what ever happened to the chest under Aisha's bed containing the entire written Quran? What happened to the other wife's collection that was used, along with memorized portions (there is no claim that any single Companion or Ansar had memorized the entire Quran) to assemble the caliphs' copies? Why wouldn't any of the Companions, Ansars, wives or caliphs have preserved these perfect written versions?
Answer: because it wasn't much of anything,just a few scraps. So the warlords gathered together material that had been written before Mohammed, mostly by Arabian poets, and assembled it into a "book" so the new rulers over the Christian Middle East could say "we have a book too, and it is better than your's". That's all. It was, and still is, political.
Podcast?
Reminds me of when Jesus said " the last days will be full of LYING WONDERS"
great
Never too late to be honest...
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Thank goodness the One True God wakes humankind up through His Holy Spirit....ALL praises to Messiah Yeshua and to the God of Israel...thank you again for your content...Blessings!
Can you even be honest with YOURSELF Muslims?
It scares me, because the quran will be a totally different book in the near future...
Mohammed worked for Kadidscha as a trader, it seems inpossible that he could not read contracts. And when the Petra theorie is right, he lived in a town with high culture. Mekka is not on a place for a trade-city and many discribimgs of Mekka in the koran does not match to Mekka in Saudi Arabia.
The first creation of Allah: Retcons.
(I have seen Linkara's video on One More Day. I should know...)
Your language is very fast. It would be better for the Conent to make after every Sentence a short break, my be for one breathe. You will have mäny hearers, wehich are not native english speakers and for them, a goog rythem of text an breaks is important.
Everybody must get stoned, if the Oral memories was perfect we would never have needed writing,
Amen! Seek the truth no matter what the cost. When you know better you do better. Christ church is built on a rock. Islam is on shifting sands sinking sands as Muslims are waking up to the truth. I pray all their sees be opened in Jesus name.
quran 15:1
the Al quran was translated from another text named Al Kitab.
somehow the Al Kitab was lost amongst the people of a certain prophet.
peace
If only Arabic has the tetragrammaton feature Greek and Hebrew had...
Sorry, that's a bit off-subject.
Oh, this might work.
I guess Muslims needed Prevagen back in their times.
your claim that muhammad can write doesnt add up. there are so many instances where he is reliant on others to write for him
So there are contradictions in the hadith material? Shocking! :)
Muhammad used what we would call a “secretary.” That’s difference from “relying” on someone because he’s illiterate.
@@IslamCritiqued still, when all narrations have others write for him and no narration with himself having ever written anything, I think the evidence speak more for him being illiterate. Why wouldnt he write anything of the quran? What about the case when one of his scribes (i dont remember his name) altered what he was being told from the quran and then fled to mekka and saying that muhammad is a false prophet? Why would muhammad put himself in this risk when he doesnt have to? And what if he tried to write something on his death bed? It doesnt prove that he can
"no narration with himself having ever written anything" I covered several traditions that attest to his literacy.
@@IslamCritiqued and i dont think they are valid. The fact that he was able to erase the phrase pbuh means that he can recognise a few words. He's a 60 year old man, he was dictating a lot of text to his scirbes for years, it's not unlikely that he started to be able to recognise a few words. And like I said, the fact that he asked for pen and paper on his deathbed as a last ditch effort doesnt proof that he would have been able to sucessfully write something.edited 'dictating' to 'dictating'
🤔 didnt they realize this is a huge joke? Who would believe this book 🤦
The bigger the lie, the more they believe
How can you claim that mohhamad is not a true prophet when he invented (ofc, allah told him so) time machine? You can see him clearly, in his own flesh, @ 8:45 ?
Ahamdulillah
🤣🤣
I feel bad for anybody who believes in God, who then pulls out a book.
You are wrong. God promised to protect Quran in the memorized/recited form (Al-Zikr / Recitation/ Rememberance) as God clearly states this in Chapter 15 verse 9: "Surely We, Ever We, have been sending down the Remembrance, and surely We are indeed Preservers of it.". So, you are wrong regarding your biased inference based on the other Verse where God specifically mentioning the transactions among Muslims. Also, Tradition relies on the claimed hadith reports but they are also wrong. According to Quran, Muslims only must follow what was sent down, which is Quran, but nothing else as a book. So, all your critiques using the claimed hadith reports can go to the Tradition but not to Islam. You can ONLY use verses in Quran to critique Islam. As a Muslim, I only regard Quran but nothing else as the source of Islam. No one knows if those claimed hadith reports are correct or not and hence cannot be used to critique Islam. So, yes, the main medium of the transmission of Quran is Oral transmission of the Recitation of it and does not depend on any manuscript. And, 97% of Muslims use the same exact recitation (called historically as al-qraat al-amma by the masses of people) and it is also known as the Common Recitaion among Muslims with historical reports "as well". So bad for your clip, but Quran has been 100% preserved word for word and you have no much knowledge about it. If you like to criticize Tradition, go for it but they are already wrong by accepting those claimed hadith reports along with Quran as the second source in their beliefs. So, what you would critique is against the Tradition but not to Islam in that case.
Surah 15:9 doesn't say to what extent the Quran will be protected. The modern Quranic manuscripts have textual variants. So he didn't guard it perfectly. You at least have to admit he didn't guard the manuscripts. That opens the question up to what else he didn't guard? "According to Quran, Muslims only must follow what was sent down," you also have to obey the messenger (Surah 3:31-32, 4:59, 5:92...etc). How can you obey him if you don't know what he said to do? " No one knows if those claimed hadith reports are correct or not and hence cannot be used to critique Islam." That is wrong. The majority of Islam is built on Hadith (i.e. sharia law). Even if all hadith were false, they constitute a reality today. "So, yes, the main medium of the transmission of Quran is Oral transmission of the Recitation of it and does not depend on any manuscript." The Quran doesn't say that. The Quran encourages writing (2:282) for preservation. "So bad for your clip, but Quran has been 100% preserved word for word and you have no much knowledge about it." That is demonstrably false. All you're doing is repeating what you've been told with a Quran only spin to it. Do you have any data to back up your claim or not?
@@IslamCritiqued You are speaking with the mouth of the Tradition, which does NOT represent Islam. Islam is what is in Quran, period!. God guarded it perfectly and we can clearly witness that 97% of Muslims RECITE the exact same message al-qraat al-amma (common recitation). As I told God promised to guard the RECITATION (al-Zikr) but no written book! This is very clear you accept or not, which does not change this fact.
I also criticize the Tradition, which is the majority, for adding the claimed hadith repost along with Quran. Your arguments to follw messenger is avery common one the Tradition use against us. But, it is clear that God means to follow Quran by that. If we were living in Prophet time, yes we would follow him but he does not. And according to Quran, his duty is only to bring the message to humanity but nothing else. There are verses in Quran that tells us what prophet said and did. So, when you follow them and follow the message in Quran, then you follow the messenger. It is a common discussion between the Traditionalist and the minority of Muslims who follows only Quran. I got this conclusion at age 40 by a careful reading of Quran. I did not follow my for-fathers but used my mind, read Quran and ended up with this conclusion. Anyways, Tradition has many contradictions as there are many contradictory claimed hadith reports and they have to deal with them! It is easy for you criticize based on those. But, be honest and do not say against Islam but say against the Tradition.
"we can clearly witness that 97% of Muslims RECITE the exact same message al-qraat al-amma (common recitation)." That's nothing but your traditional belief. "As I told God promised to guard the RECITATION (al-Zikr) but no written book!" That's a lie. See Surah 85:21-22. "If we were living in Prophet time, yes we would follow him but he does not." So Muhammad was the best example only while he was living? Or he's an excellent example for you to follow now as well? "There are verses in Quran that tells us what prophet said and did." Which prophet? The Quran speaks mostly to a "messenger," not a prophet. This messenger is unidentified. Your tradition is the only thing telling you it's Muhammad, the name, or title, only being mentioned a handful of times without any clue who the person is.
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@@IslamCritiqued you misunderstandings is not Islam, Write the most important verse over which you can criticize Islam. I have limited time. When I answer that one and you understand you were wrong then you sort start correcting the rest yourself.
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Wonder if he will watch this video haha
@@IslamCritiqued Haha. Pretty sweet if he does.