12:32 My bad y’all, I mislabeled this figure as 2022 when it came out this year. The price for the year is correct still, just used the wrong figure image 🙂
Beast wars has horrible animation. Also a horrible concept robots in Disguise Presumably from each other. Or other intelligent life. I don't think any of the animals are going to be fooled by a massive metal thing. That's generally the same shape as them. I can't imagine the other Transformers are going to be fooled by the giant metal. Vaguely animal shaped things, it's Idiotic. It's also kind of gross. It was awesome. It was also after my time I was like 15 I think so that Empire Rangers couldn't stand either one. But I'm glad they exist for the people who like them.
You're explaining a phycoligically motivated mind set called Confirmation bias . We see it A LOT in politics. People associate an opinion or "side" to such a profound degree that ANY dissecting opinion or contradictory information feels like a physical attack, threat to their well-being. That's why normally intelligent kind people who are Republicans say that Trump has never lied etc and on the other side that there are more than 2 biological genders in the human species...etc. SUPER CREEPY. I don't have a single opinion or belief that I wouldn't re examine or consider if provided with new 2 me information. Love your channel. Thank you for all your efforts. I hope that you and those you care for are happy, healthy, and safe. Semper Fidelis
Probably not a hot take but here we go: Starscream being killed by Sam and the soldiers was so dumb. Starscream deserved a death at the hands of an Autobot, not the "insect" humans.
The reason I prefer G1 designs is mainly because I think they're just good character designs. They're easily recognizable, colorful, unique, and get far too much hate as far as I've seen. I'm not saying I want all of the characters to be blocky and their alt modes to be vehicles from the 80s, I just want each character's most notable features to remain faithful/consistent to the source material. One of my biggest gripes with the Bay movies is that I literally can't tell who's who for a lot of the characters included in those films. It's generally good for the franchise as a whole to establish iconic appearances beyond just Optimus and Bumblebee. Despite being a part of Gen Z, I grew up watching the original cartoon on DVD, and love it to death
I couldn't agree more with the ironhide statement. Same thing applies to Jazz. People making a huge fuss that Bay killed of a character, in a franchise about constant war lasting forever
The only problem I have with jazz's death is that he hasnt appeared in media since 2015, and with ironhide, if he didnt dir on screen he wouldve died off screen.
Hot Take: The bayverse devastator is one of the best designs to come from the movies. It really shows that its the decepticons ultimate weapon while also not just being a larger robot
It’s videos like these that make you realise how wonderfully diverse the fandom is but the problem with it is that as you said people defend the opinions like their first born child. Anyway my hot take: While I love G1 I’m getting tired of every new adaptation being just G1 based now and I want to see some more creativity.
I agree but the characters at least have to keep a few of their personality traits. Otherwise it's just a completely different character with a name randomly slapped onto them for the sake of having a recognized name.
I wish in the Bayverse movies, they focused more on the Autobots and Decepticons and less on the human characters. P.S. Why does Devastator have testicles? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why does Alice need to exist? Why does Bumblebee take a piss on Seymour Simmons? Why does Lennox shoot Blackout in the crotch? Why does Laserbeak have a tea party with a little girl? Was that bathroom stall scene between Sam and Wang really necessary? Why would they make a joke about under age sexual relationships and Romeo and Juliet laws? I could go on and on.
Always kills me how possessive fans are of their respective franchise. I grew up with G1 and I prefer those characters over some of the other iterations. Was never a fan of Animated, but I think some of those had some good designs. The Bay movies brought Transformers to the masses and, arguably, made them relevant again. I thought the first movie was so cool, seeing my childhood 'come to life' on the big screen the way it did. I think people need to just focus more on what they DO enjoy and worry less about what others enjoy. I agree, no need for the hate people have. If you like a figure/style, great! Go on and enjoy it because at the end of the day, it doesn't impact my life in any way. As for the Hasbro vs 3rd Party... they offer different things. 3P companies are often able to get more animation accurate with their characters, often at the expense of overcomplicating the transformation. They aren't for everyone. Hasbro figures may be less animation accurate (if that is important to you), but make the transformation process more enjoyable in most cases. It all comes down to preference.
@@Windcharger84 is that the RID 2000 series? Honestly, not my cup of tea, but I thought some of the figures had cool toys. Also, I will admit that I liked how the toys looked like the animation. No real mass shifting or anything like that. If they had kibble in the animation, they had it in the toy.
@@tommcneil7669 yeah they translated the toys to the cartoon fairly well, it's interesting how everyone has forgotten about it when it was a huge success for only being a shelf filler
@@Windcharger84 I watched a couple of episodes and believe I have the Sideburn toy, but that was about it. I definitely don’t hate on anyone that enjoys it or collected/collects the figures.
@@papermelon i swear its so wild. If you wanna buy like a voyager or leader class figure here, the price would be equivalent to like a month’s worth of food
Here's one for you, no strings attached. The Vehicon transformations in AOE made sense. Of course the minute humans manage to crack the genetic code to the Transformer Robotic DNA, the first thing they'll do is try to streamline the transformation sequence. It's still dumb of course, but it's obvious we'd try to improve the efficiency of it.
Yeah, I agree they made sense if you want it to. I just personally think it’s an outrageously stupid idea to implement in a transformers movie where people come to watch transformers…transform 😂
@@papermelon On that same note, Transformium is a stupid Goddamn name. They could have gone with literally anything else and it would be better than that. Sentio Metallico from the comics, Transmetal from Beast Wars. Here's one I just made up, Cybertanium. God, you know what the worst part is? Transformium was the point where I turned against the movie. The name was the last straw for me.
My hot take: Bayverse is a lot more faithful to G1 than people give them credit for. They're both goofy af, have Saturday morning cartoon ass plots, cheesy dialog, and are fun as hell.
There is something i want to tell when it comes to what Transformers figures sells the most. Here in Norway i travel alot to many different toy stores and most of them does not have the biggest Transformers section, but when i look at what they have it's mostly legacy, that earthspark line and some main line ROTB stuff. I just look for studio series and almost none of the shops have that line, and when they do it's mostly out of stock which is annoying and the rest just doesn't sell very well. Studio series from the movies is what's popular here, I’ve seen alot of G1 studio series figures just sitting there while all the movie stuff gets sold out really fast.
My favourite character in Transformers Bayverse is Ironhide and even then, I completely agree with the sentiment that Ironhide's death was necessary in Transformers DOTM to showcase the sudden shock and betrayal of Sentinel Prime and him being able to take out one of Optimus's most powerful autobot and establish him as a memorable transformers villain. Also, DOTM is my favourite bayformers movie too.
Dotm is my favourite bayformers film but one thing I hate about it is that after Ironhide dies he's instantly forgotten about. Like at least mention the guy, thought he was your friend
I consider Sentinel Prime begging for mercy claiming he wanted the survival of his race and Optimus telling him rather he betrayed himself and what he stood for as Optimus thinking about Ironhide and avenging one of his most trusted comrade's death.
@@GhostRoasterDrankAllTheMilk yea that's one way to look at it but no direct dialogue mourning one of the originals not even from bumblebee and rachet. The reason ratchets death was so tragic is that we got to see Optimus raw reaction to his friend getting slaughtered, even bee driving away in anger. Honestly they should have mentioned him but that's how most deaths are in bayformers.
Opinion: the fact that the spotlight has been taken off of G1 even a little bit is such an amazing thing. The fact that we’re getting armada figures, beastwars 2 figures and animated figures is insane compared to even 5 years ago. It’s wild seeing a full mainstream wave of figures not have a single g1 character. Acting like an entire wave is trash just cause it’s not G1 is really annoying and stifles creativity and future wild possibilities.
My opinion is that beast wars does have good animation (for the most part), but dreadful rendering. Like the actual movements of the characters are good, it's just that the lighting and textures have aged about as well as milk left out in the sun for 5 years
@@papermelon Yeah those are a step of animation... The LAST step Which doesn't even factor into the animating process. You gonna say Toy Story has bad animation too? They had the same limitations.
@@NexusProductions-rz1sv bud I don’t care what step of the animation process it is, it’s the animation. No need to try and sound smart 😂😂 trying to compare Toy Story animation to this is hilarious lolll. That only came out a few years after beast wars, but it’s has 20x better cgi. And yes, it’s still very dated for today’s standard. Beast wars is just abhorrent 😂
@@papermelonTwo things: 1. Toy Story came out one year before Beast Wars. But 2. In fairness to Beast Wars, it had to come out when CGI was very new AND had to somehow make it look good on a TV show budget (Toy Story would've had a much larger budget). Then again, I've never watched Beast Wars so I can't really comment.
As much as Hasbro keep putting their prices up, I think their overall QC is slowly improving. It's definitely improved 100% when you compare Combiner Wars Powerglide (bit's just KEEP falling off of mine!) to something like the new Legacy Beachcomber figure. A VAST improvement.
Absolutely. People focus on the QC exceptions and assume they’re getting worse, but people forget how bad it was. Their general qc is overall really solid, especially compared to 2015/2017.
I definitely agree with the "just because you like it doesn't mean it's good and vice versa". I like age of extinction more than most people but it has many flaws. Even for the last knight, I do genuinely enjoy some parts of the movie but as a whole I wouldn't be keen to watch it. As for hasbro, I feel like the past 4 years since wfc and ss line started, hasbro has gotten so much better with engineering, sculpt, playability for the price. If it weren't for ss i wouldn't have been able to get so many good figures of my favourite characters without going to the aftermarket. I do agree the price is going crazy high right now and it will continue on which is why I mostly get them on discount when possible. And the qc issues aren't even that bad compared to ko companies who receive too much praise for upscaling others work with poorer materials
Toy designers and engineers aren't the ones to blame when we have inaccurate toys... *SOMETIMES* It's the character designers fault for making the robot modes complicated without the transformation and practicality in mind. (Usually characters from live action movies) Also faux parts are not bad. Even live action / CGI uses faux parts. If you look at their transformations closely, you'll notice that a lot of the robot mode parts just tuck into their body and magically disappear. (not all the time tho)
my hot take is that the aftermarket desperately needs to have a major shift in it. for those like me where we almost exclusively back collect it's a pain in the diodes and then some. cap the prices at original retail cost and go down from there based on how complete the figure is. it'd make at least something in this day and age of constant dumpster fires a lot less painful.
My Transformer Hot Takes: 1. Starscream deserves his own solo movie. I don’t care what anybody says, if handled correctly Starscream can be one of the most complex and well written characters in all of transformers. Bay did such a terrible job with him, and he deserves so much better. Just look at shows like armada, where they turned him into a tragic autobot, or tf prime/animated where he is one of the most fun characters to watch on screen. There is even an idw comic that dives deep into his psychology and mental status. Come on give us a joker style spin off movie, Starscream is so much more then a shallow cowered. Hot Take 2. Dark of the moon should have gone with it’s original ending. Don’t get me wrong, I love Dark of the moon, but I feel like the original ending would have rapped up the bay trilogy perfectly. If you never heard of the original ending, look it up. I mean, Megatron literally saves Optimus’s life. And how does prime repay him, by tearing off his head. It just makes prime come off as an asshole. If Megatron would of surrendered and offered to let prime kill him as an alternative, I feel like it would have made Megatron so much more compelling, and rapped up his character ark much better then just killing him again and endlessly reviving him. It would also help show that Prime still has some kindness and surrender in his spark, which was a big compliant of the bay movies. Megatron once was his brother in arms after all. Hot Take 3. Slipstream is the sexiest transformer. Yep, I’m a weirdo. Also Shatter and Arcee. Well I hope my hot takes have either make you agree with me, or pissed you off. Don’t take anything I said too seriously. Goodnight and Roll Out!!!
Bay did a terrible job? Man, I really liked Starscream as a character. Only thing I could think of to make him better was to make him more energetic toward seizing the decepticon throne.
Well, ok to be fair I guess I was being a little too hard on Bay. It’s not that he did a terrible job with Starscream, it's just that I personally was left very disappointed with his take on Starscream. Growing up watching the g1 and animated cartoons, Starscream has always been a favorite character of mine. He just brings so much fun and life to the deceptions. So when the first bay movie came out, I was really let down by the fact that he only had one line in the entire movie. Then the sequels came around, and I don’t know something just felt missing. He did have any of the energy or charm I loved about him. Also Bay gave him the most pathetic death scene ever in dotm. If you like bay Starscream, good for you. We all like different characters, and I respect your opinion. I just do not like the character personally.
@@nintendofan232 yeah, fair point. Bayverse Screamer definitely was lacking in terms of personality. Although I did like that they showed more of his power as air commander, I’ve definitely liked Starscream more after starting to watch g1.
Bayverse prime wasn't too brutal and g1 prime wasn't too soft, both had adapted to fight their version of the decepticons. Bayverse decepticons were more brutal, leading to autobots needing to be brutal to combat them. G1 decepticons were mostly a nuisance, so the autobots didn't need to be that brutal. But by the time the g1 movie happens, you can see that the decepticons have become more aggressive and Optimus has become more serious, he has started to treat them like the threat they are, hence why he guns down and runs over them instead of a few half hearted shots. Same with animated, he didn't need to be a warrior because the war over, they didn't need to be trained as soldiers, the decepticons weren't as much of a threat. There were only a scattered handful left in the galaxy.
The way I see it, each character has core design elements, in their aesthetics as well as their personalities. It's alright to innovate on these characters, but I prefer it when new designs incorporate key features of the characters' core design. It doesn't have to be 1-to-1 exactly the same. It just has to be enough for the viewer to say, "yeah that's Optimus Prime," or "I can tell that's supposed to be Starscream." The idea is to keep some part of the character's design philosophy without being completely shackled by it, and exhibiting creative freedom in the design without sacrificing what made those characters recognizable in the first place. There are exceptions, where the creative ideas applied to a character that fans react so positively towards that it becomes a new core identifier of the character. And there are times where the design is great, but it just doesn't suit the character that it's intended to represent. And there are times where a very obscure character where creative freedom is more easily forgiven, and it leads to that character's newfound popularity. And I would lend this scrutiny to characters from every continuity of Transformers, be it show, film, video game, or comic book. As for G1, it was our first introduction to many of these characters, so all those characters were initially defined and designed by it. Whether we like it or not, that's where most of the design philosophies originated for these characters. That's why so many fans put emphasis on it.
I actually really liked the Netflix War for Cybertron trilogy. Siege was awesome, Earthrise kinda sucks, and Kingdom is definitely second place. I recommend only watching Siege, it's the best season by far.
"I think a movie is bad but I think it is well made" that last part is still a subjective opinion because there is no such thing as true objectivity quality in art.
yes there is lol. like I said, plenty of things are in the gray area, but some things are extreme enough that it's one way or the other. No need to play word games.
While Iron Hide's death makes me cry every single time (he was my favorite Bayverse Autobot, RIP 😭) It made known how much of a threat Sentinel is in, NOBODY COULD KILL IRON HIDE BECAUSE HE'S A FREAKING TANK. And Sentinel 3 shots him. It made for an amazing twist that makes Dark Of The Moon the best Bayverse Transformers movie.
To be honest It's not much that NObody could kill ironhide because Starscream probably could, but its because Ironhide was one of the main cast, and one of the only characters with a GOOD personality
@@TheAbondonedCircus I doubt that because Iron Hide takes quite a beating in the movies. Even Sentinel's Rust gun took 3 hits to finally kill him. That shows how rough this dude was.
@@braydenpage1808 He shot him with a Comsmic rust cannon which in Lore will Kill ant cybertronian IN TImE so Sentinal shot him multiple times to speed up his death
7:05 I enjoy when megatrom actually has a kind side, I’m writing a story with megatron having kindness and wonders if making the decpticons was the right thing.
Hot Take: Bayfans are just as annoying as geewunners. They’re just in another format. And most of the time they don’t stop on hating on other transformers fans
I think the disconnect comes from the characters being changed. Bumblebee for example, the character from G1 and the character from the movies are totally different, not the same character, so which one is bumblebee? They are both official so we argue about it
I wish g1 didn’t infiltrate every toy line, like studio series 86, the toys are good but all of them could be from the legacy or earthrise lines, now I’m hearing people say they want transformers devestation to be a part of the studio series gamer edition line… it’s just g1 but cell shaded
Dude I feel that on 86. I really like most G1 toys, but they’ve completely defeated the point of us getting our own movie toy line. The worst part is they’ve completely replaced the actual movie figures, so now studio series and legacy are both just full-on generations lines. And we’re FINALLY getting a SS commander class, and it’s AN 86 CHARACTER??? You could’ve just made him in the legacy commander slot??
As a g1 guy who grew up with the original series and toys i have to say you are right about something. The transformers toyline and cartoon series wouldnt be anywhere near what it is now without the michael bay movies. The Last Knight is still trash tho and i love Revenge of the Fallen. Lockdown was the only cool thing about Age of Extinction. You are right tho,g1 fans can be so hateful bc they feel they are protecting"their" transformers. Its nonsense. Good for you to point this out. Great video!
I want to see a transformers story where the autobots successfully hide from humans, if every transformers story set on earth has a small rare exception, they're not a small rare exception
Gewuuners need to stop pretending G1 was a masterpiece media too, most of the plots are hanna barberra tier and the animation studio seems to not even care with characters models most of the time, meanwhile back in the 80's japan already made Macross and Zeta Gundam
10:33 OMFG THANK YOU! SOMEONE FINALLY CALLED OUT THOSE ANNOYING PESTS. Just like some people and everybody who hasn't grew up with the G1 series, each of us have our own G1; Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, Cyberverse, RiD 2001, and ofc, Bayverse. It's not so hard to not just being an annoying gatekeeping a-hole and let people enjoy things. And it's not hard to dislike it for yourself, and not dunk on others who love it. That's just pure dumb alienation. Is it not too late for me to share my Transformers hot (or coldest) take? If so, here I go: Geewunners are the self-milking lolcows of the Transformers fandom.
Now, on a serious note. The comments about the hateful G1ers. I'm 47yo, I was 7 or 8 when I got my first Transformers toy, it was Sideswipe. Ironically, the only representation I had in my collection, until very recently, was the Bayverse one. Now I have it and the G2 one. Anyways, I started out, only wanting the charecters I remember as a kid, as they looked back then. I have since, opened my mind, and am venturing out into all continuities, and love it! It's in part thanks to Legacy for exposing the mainline to more obscure charecters, that I want to learn more about, so thanks Legacy, can't wait for year 3 United. Gonna be wild. Anyways, I cannot stand that my fellow old folk, have given ME such a bad rep, and if they knew just how much like little butterball babies, flailing around on the floor, whining and crying, they look like, they'd be as embarressed for themselves, as I am for them. Grow up you dumbasses, they're freaking TOYS YOU MAN CHILD!
*SOME* of the Bayverse designs are the best versions. Ironhide, Barricade, Bonecrusher, Sideways, and the Constructicons (Not Devastator) look better in the movies than anywhere else. Also not every Fembot needs to be SUPER feminine.
My unpopular opinion is that I hate hotrod-style shoulders not because they look unnatural but because you can't get them to do anything unless there's another shoulder joint.
Hot take: 2015 rid clampdown is the best Decepticon (sorry if I spelled that wrong) I feel he breaks all of the stereotypes about decepticons being brutes or tough, I like him a lot.
10:39 G1 fans act that way because it was there childhood, the one they grew up with thats why they tend to perfer G1 over anything else. When they see something new it feels like a personal attack to them thats why they hate the Bayverse stuff, but when doing this they completely forget that this newer incarnation of the franchise is introducing a whole new generation of people into the TF Fandom. Thats their biggest flaw, not being able to just go along a recognize that there's something new, something that will spark the joy of Transformers into a new younger audience.
To clarify this doesn't mean every G1 fan is like this, it's just from my experience on Ninjago since I grew up with the 2011 crew and not the new crew this was how it was because it wasn't really my childhood, but I recognized that it may no longer be my Ninjago but it most likely is a new introduction for a younger kid.
Transformers Animated is the best TF show. Each episode way to beat the Villian is so different and unique to others, each character is fleshed out and has personality. The animation also looks beautiful and vibrant. The references and cameos are Amazing.
If you really think about it in the bumblebee universe characters looking inaccurate from there g1 counterparts has been quite consistent such as Blitzwing looking like Starscream. Mirage having Jazz's alternate mode with also Scourge being a truck and Wheeljack being Pablo also hot take jolt was the most underused cool looking autobot aside from trench in tlk in all of the bayvesrse
The reason I like Transformers as a franchise is because the difference iterations aren't fixed. Ive seen atleast 5-6 different Megatrons with their own style and feel. I honestly find it annoying when new iterations try to base their designs on the original to please the older fanbase. Its almost like they are scared of the fanbase backlash
The only thing I actually despise is the idea that there is such thing as an "objectively" good or bad toy/movie/any work of art. The quality of a work of art is determined by how much you like it and that will always be subjective.
Personally, I don’t have issues with partforming as long as the detached part transforms into something like a weapon, take for example Black Apple Optimus Prime and Ironhide guns. I have problems when the whole backpack detaches to make a “shield” like TLK Barricade
Same. One of my favorite examples of proper partsforming is Optimus Prime from Classics. His roof and smokestacks come off, but transform into individual blasters. The "shields" and "sleds" from Earthrise are just inexcusable
Agree, is just lazy engineering. Classics Prime is a good example of good partforming, I also don’t mind when it’s a minimum detail like DreamFactory Bonecrusher smokestack and mini-guns.
3:18 btw you said that was the reason they didn’t kill off bumblebee, but ROTB was set in the past before the bay verse movies so if they killed bumblebee it wouldn’t make sense for the timeline.
Funi Hot take i have: TF:P Megatron is VERY overrated, his entire personality was his Dark Energon addiction (i was gonna say smth different but i don't think i can) and his backstory is easily the WORST version of Megatron's "slave turned gladiator" backstory, since you need to read the novels to find out he was a slave in the first place I'm not saying he's bad, he's my 6th favorite Megatron, but he's VERY overrated
Animated's sound design rivals the movies. Most of the time, they would make sound for light, medium, and heavy characters moving around, while in animated, they would add buzzing to bumblebee and the noises of squeaky hinges for ratchet. Prowl would be more swift and agile. Also, beast wars is best writing a transformers show has ever had
I agree with you. The only think i hate it is G1 fans... They keep pushing away of the transformers franchise and Also *I Don’t Care About G1 Probamatic design* I loved the bay verse since I was a kid i know it kinda bad but the CGI is the best you know~
I like Transformers Age of Extinction because that, Beast Wars, and G1 got me into transformers. TF4 came out 5 years after I was born. It’s like you and Revenge of the Fallen. Age of Extinction is a horrible movie but I love it.
Personal opinion, I don’t consider DOTM “Wheeljack” to be Wheeljack. I personally just call him Que, like he calls himself in the movie. I consider them two separate characters.
Imo, the Transformers brand as a whole could benefit from a TV show/comic of a completely new timeline with no correlation to any existing Transformers lore, characters, character names, settings, etc. The only thing it shall retain is the branding of "Transformers" and the fact that they'll still be self-converting sentient robots. Even the plot doesn't have to be about war. Expected Counterargument: "Why not just look for a different mecha anime/movie/TV show to watch." My rebuttal: I'm not voicing this opinion solely for my sake. Doing this with Transformers will consolidate the already powerful foothold the Transformers brand has on 'cool-looking transforming robots with lots of variation across different series.' There's been much variation throughout different TF series, such as Animated with their cartoonish designs, Bayverse with their hyper-realistic designs, IDW taking established lore and heightening it exponentially, Beast Wars bringing in biological alt modes, and so on. Beast Wars being as innovative as it was, still tied its lore in with G1, so I think the next big power move in the TF brand would be to create a new timeline with no Optimus Prime, no Megatron, no Primus & Unicron, etc. Unlike creating a new TMNT Series, Gundam Series, etc., I feel like the foundational appeal of having sentient self-converting robots be the main characters of a story is strong enough, and the brand name "Transformers" to be general enough to make it possible to create a new Transformers series that completely resets the lore. I'm not expecting this 'series' to wipe the slate clean of all pre-established lore and characters, but rather to invite a whole new universe of unexplored innovation for the TF brand. Whatever inspiration future TF storytellers or toy designers decide to draw from, old or this hypothetical "new" timeline, I do not care. Note: I have considered the possibility of something like this already existing that I am just unaware of, so do educate this ignorant zebra if such a thing does exist, and give me a sense of how popular it is. (Was it a flop? Does it have a cult following? Is it somewhat popular amongst comic readers? Etc.)
Not sure it counts, but some of the recent kids series do this. I haven't really watched them so I could be wrong but from what I heard of rescue bots or academy, there wasnt much of the original characters or storylines. (In academy some orignals act as like supporting mentors at some point, but the main focus is the main team and the child friendly lessons.)
Rachets death wasn't totally pointless, it showed how far the humans had strayed from liking the Autobots to hating them by killing a defenseless medic, it shows how cold the humans became after Chicago. Especially when they team up with lockdown, probably the most underrated and underutilized villain in transformers because of how brutal they made him in live action.
Imo, I think that if rotb wheeljack was named beachcomber, people wouldn't dislike the design that much. I think Pablo fits better as a Beachcomber than a Wheeljack.
Hot take 1: You don't need a huge toy collection to be a transformers fan 🤷🏾 Hot take 2: Galvatron needs to come back as a main villain. It's been too long & idw has good takes on his character.
Hot take: legacy is keeping transformers alive, it's (mostly) accessable, it pushes older stuff to newer fans, and it generally improves older, gimmicky designs Hot take 2: Animated has some of the most unique and memorable designs in transformers
I disliked TFP and because I constantly get people who try to force me to like it from that opinion, I’ve more than started to hate it now Also, i find it funny yet confusing that the Aligned continuity isn’t so aligned
I'm really tired of all this over saturation of G1, first with this new WFC trilogy (which I thought was the worst) and now with legacy, I know they've given us incredible and beautiful things, but I already want something new and not be square with wheels.
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12:32 My bad y’all, I mislabeled this figure as 2022 when it came out this year. The price for the year is correct still, just used the wrong figure image 🙂
Beast wars has horrible animation. Also a horrible concept robots in Disguise Presumably from each other. Or other intelligent life. I don't think any of the animals are going to be fooled by a massive metal thing. That's generally the same shape as them. I can't imagine the other Transformers are going to be fooled by the giant metal. Vaguely animal shaped things, it's Idiotic. It's also kind of gross. It was awesome. It was also after my time I was like 15 I think so that Empire Rangers couldn't stand either one. But I'm glad they exist for the people who like them.
You're explaining a phycoligically motivated mind set called Confirmation bias .
We see it A LOT in politics. People associate an opinion or "side" to such a profound degree that ANY dissecting opinion or contradictory information feels like a physical attack, threat to their well-being. That's why normally intelligent kind people who are Republicans say that Trump has never lied etc and on the other side that there are more than 2 biological genders in the human species...etc. SUPER CREEPY. I don't have a single opinion or belief that I wouldn't re examine or consider if provided with new 2 me information.
Love your channel. Thank you for all your efforts. I hope that you and those you care for are happy, healthy, and safe.
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@@jacobfoster9185in the first season the realistic beast modes were to protect them from radiation dumbass
Probably not a hot take but here we go: Starscream being killed by Sam and the soldiers was so dumb. Starscream deserved a death at the hands of an Autobot, not the "insect" humans.
I was more sad at Rachets death just because of the fact he was so scared and confused. He was a a true GOAT.
Same here
Devil Kirby I agree !!
Preach my boy!!!
The reason I prefer G1 designs is mainly because I think they're just good character designs. They're easily recognizable, colorful, unique, and get far too much hate as far as I've seen. I'm not saying I want all of the characters to be blocky and their alt modes to be vehicles from the 80s, I just want each character's most notable features to remain faithful/consistent to the source material. One of my biggest gripes with the Bay movies is that I literally can't tell who's who for a lot of the characters included in those films. It's generally good for the franchise as a whole to establish iconic appearances beyond just Optimus and Bumblebee. Despite being a part of Gen Z, I grew up watching the original cartoon on DVD, and love it to death
Totally understandable
I think the cybertron games do this best, theyre not g1 but still easy to decipher
@@matthewp.1484that and IDW.
I clicked on this thinking, "who needs to die"
Yeah I will admit the bayverse designs are a bit strange. Although, bumblebee and Optimus are the few that combine both designs. G1 and modern.
I couldn't agree more with the ironhide statement. Same thing applies to Jazz. People making a huge fuss that Bay killed of a character, in a franchise about constant war lasting forever
The only problem I have with jazz's death is that he hasnt appeared in media since 2015, and with ironhide, if he didnt dir on screen he wouldve died off screen.
It lasts forever because nobody dies.
@@Stormfinthen why is there like a 100 transformers in the movies and not the 1000000000 of the cybertron population
@@ilikepigeons6101
They're fighting somewhere else.
@@Stormfin so the war already ended and we have characters fighting elsewhere? Kind of a mundane headcanon
Hot Take: The bayverse devastator is one of the best designs to come from the movies. It really shows that its the decepticons ultimate weapon while also not just being a larger robot
I like devastators balls
I'm pretty sure that if the wrecking ball testicles didn't exist, more people would probably have thought the same thing.
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 dude the wrecking balls were funny as hell. Why don't people understand humor lol
@@jerry3408ik michael bay put it there for shits and giggles and i love it
@@Ghosthazmatgg people seems to hate Michael Bay's humor for some reason. I love it tho.
It’s videos like these that make you realise how wonderfully diverse the fandom is but the problem with it is that as you said people defend the opinions like their first born child.
Anyway my hot take:
While I love G1 I’m getting tired of every new adaptation being just G1 based now and I want to see some more creativity.
I agree
Same
I agree but the characters at least have to keep a few of their personality traits. Otherwise it's just a completely different character with a name randomly slapped onto them for the sake of having a recognized name.
@@thenukeman6 I agree keep character but design can change a bit
@@optimusprime-i5h That's what they've fucking doing since animated.
I wish in the Bayverse movies, they focused more on the Autobots and Decepticons and less on the human characters.
P.S. Why does Devastator have testicles? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why does Alice need to exist? Why does Bumblebee take a piss on Seymour Simmons? Why does Lennox shoot Blackout in the crotch? Why does Laserbeak have a tea party with a little girl? Was that bathroom stall scene between Sam and Wang really necessary? Why would they make a joke about under age sexual relationships and Romeo and Juliet laws? I could go on and on.
Devastator need to show all why he has balls
To be fair, Devastator was funny.
Always kills me how possessive fans are of their respective franchise. I grew up with G1 and I prefer those characters over some of the other iterations. Was never a fan of Animated, but I think some of those had some good designs. The Bay movies brought Transformers to the masses and, arguably, made them relevant again. I thought the first movie was so cool, seeing my childhood 'come to life' on the big screen the way it did. I think people need to just focus more on what they DO enjoy and worry less about what others enjoy. I agree, no need for the hate people have. If you like a figure/style, great! Go on and enjoy it because at the end of the day, it doesn't impact my life in any way. As for the Hasbro vs 3rd Party... they offer different things. 3P companies are often able to get more animation accurate with their characters, often at the expense of overcomplicating the transformation. They aren't for everyone. Hasbro figures may be less animation accurate (if that is important to you), but make the transformation process more enjoyable in most cases. It all comes down to preference.
What's your thoughts on Car Robots
@@Windcharger84 is that the RID 2000 series? Honestly, not my cup of tea, but I thought some of the figures had cool toys. Also, I will admit that I liked how the toys looked like the animation. No real mass shifting or anything like that. If they had kibble in the animation, they had it in the toy.
@@tommcneil7669 yeah they translated the toys to the cartoon fairly well, it's interesting how everyone has forgotten about it when it was a huge success for only being a shelf filler
@@Windcharger84 I watched a couple of episodes and believe I have the Sideburn toy, but that was about it. I definitely don’t hate on anyone that enjoys it or collected/collects the figures.
@@tommcneil7669 you've gotten lucky, I watch it Yearly
3:38 EXACTLY, SICK OF THIS “oh they’re dead, wait no they’re not” IT SHOULDNT BE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR WHEN A CHARACTER STAYS DEAD MY GOD
Ngl the only reason I ever got a knockoff is because it was literally impossible to find it officially sold online in my country
I hate how expensive transformers have gotten recently. I live in Qatar and the prices on some of these figures is way too much
Dude I just bought rhinox today and that sucker cost me 4 full meals worth of cash 😭😭 outrageous
@@papermelon i swear its so wild. If you wanna buy like a voyager or leader class figure here, the price would be equivalent to like a month’s worth of food
Gotta love 3rd world living conditions...
(i live in a 3rd world country too, can feel your pain brother.)
@@Turbo.RF4 wouldn’t really call Qatar a 3rd world country but the pain is real 😔
Here's one for you, no strings attached.
The Vehicon transformations in AOE made sense.
Of course the minute humans manage to crack the genetic code to the Transformer Robotic DNA, the first thing they'll do is try to streamline the transformation sequence.
It's still dumb of course, but it's obvious we'd try to improve the efficiency of it.
Yeah, I agree they made sense if you want it to. I just personally think it’s an outrageously stupid idea to implement in a transformers movie where people come to watch transformers…transform 😂
@@papermelon
On that same note, Transformium is a stupid Goddamn name.
They could have gone with literally anything else and it would be better than that.
Sentio Metallico from the comics, Transmetal from Beast Wars.
Here's one I just made up, Cybertanium.
God, you know what the worst part is?
Transformium was the point where I turned against the movie.
The name was the last straw for me.
@@StormfinI feel you here 😭😭 that whole movie repeatedly defies what I thought was allowed to pass in a script 💀
sure
@@papermelon fun fact, they didnt even need to include the awkward scene where they guy is dating a minor, they couldve easily made her not underage.
My hot take: Bayverse is a lot more faithful to G1 than people give them credit for. They're both goofy af, have Saturday morning cartoon ass plots, cheesy dialog, and are fun as hell.
bro that thumbnail was bouta make me commit a war crime
Give me your faaaaaaace 😱😱😱😱😱
DotM Wheeljack’s head being based off of Albert Einstein was genius.
but Einstein hasnt bald on top of his head like Gargamel
@Jazzys.Prime.Chilling.Time127
He was
@@Dingle-God1987 ok i watched Oppenheimer and didnt notice that
Too bad they put it on wheeljack though
He looks more like the rotting corpse of Albert Einstein-
There is something i want to tell when it comes to what Transformers figures sells the most.
Here in Norway i travel alot to many different toy stores and most of them does not have the biggest Transformers section, but when i look at what they have it's mostly legacy, that earthspark line and some main line ROTB stuff. I just look for studio series and almost none of the shops have that line, and when they do it's mostly out of stock which is annoying and the rest just doesn't sell very well. Studio series from the movies is what's popular here, I’ve seen alot of G1 studio series figures just sitting there while all the movie stuff gets sold out really fast.
My favourite character in Transformers Bayverse is Ironhide and even then, I completely agree with the sentiment that Ironhide's death was necessary in Transformers DOTM to showcase the sudden shock and betrayal of Sentinel Prime and him being able to take out one of Optimus's most powerful autobot and establish him as a memorable transformers villain. Also, DOTM is my favourite bayformers movie too.
DOTM for life 🔥
@@papermelonthat’s depressing
Dotm is my favourite bayformers film but one thing I hate about it is that after Ironhide dies he's instantly forgotten about. Like at least mention the guy, thought he was your friend
I consider Sentinel Prime begging for mercy claiming he wanted the survival of his race and Optimus telling him rather he betrayed himself and what he stood for as Optimus thinking about Ironhide and avenging one of his most trusted comrade's death.
@@GhostRoasterDrankAllTheMilk yea that's one way to look at it but no direct dialogue mourning one of the originals not even from bumblebee and rachet. The reason ratchets death was so tragic is that we got to see Optimus raw reaction to his friend getting slaughtered, even bee driving away in anger.
Honestly they should have mentioned him but that's how most deaths are in bayformers.
I think the only reason g1 Megatron is praise is because he stop being a Saturday morning villain after he killed his rival Optimus.
4:51 When you said "Just because you hate it, doesn't mean it's bad", The Batman IMMEDIATELY came to my mind lmfao
Which one?
@@Democracylover710 The Batman
@@ShavayD which the Batman? The show or the movie?
But which batman show or movie?
@@Democracylover710 he literally showed the poster for the movie.
I love G1 and Bayverse i think they're both awesome on unique ways.
Same
Opinion: the fact that the spotlight has been taken off of G1 even a little bit is such an amazing thing. The fact that we’re getting armada figures, beastwars 2 figures and animated figures is insane compared to even 5 years ago. It’s wild seeing a full mainstream wave of figures not have a single g1 character. Acting like an entire wave is trash just cause it’s not G1 is really annoying and stifles creativity and future wild possibilities.
My opinion is that beast wars does have good animation (for the most part), but dreadful rendering. Like the actual movements of the characters are good, it's just that the lighting and textures have aged about as well as milk left out in the sun for 5 years
I mean…rendering, lighting and textures is all a part of the animation. So…kinda splitting hairs here 😂
But I hear ya
@@papermelon Yeah those are a step of animation...
The LAST step
Which doesn't even factor into the animating process.
You gonna say Toy Story has bad animation too? They had the same limitations.
@@NexusProductions-rz1sv bud I don’t care what step of the animation process it is, it’s the animation. No need to try and sound smart 😂😂
trying to compare Toy Story animation to this is hilarious lolll. That only came out a few years after beast wars, but it’s has 20x better cgi. And yes, it’s still very dated for today’s standard. Beast wars is just abhorrent 😂
@@papermelon you are a giant jackass, you know that?
@@papermelonTwo things: 1. Toy Story came out one year before Beast Wars. But 2. In fairness to Beast Wars, it had to come out when CGI was very new AND had to somehow make it look good on a TV show budget (Toy Story would've had a much larger budget). Then again, I've never watched Beast Wars so I can't really comment.
As much as Hasbro keep putting their prices up, I think their overall QC is slowly improving.
It's definitely improved 100% when you compare Combiner Wars Powerglide (bit's just KEEP falling off of mine!) to something like the new Legacy Beachcomber figure.
A VAST improvement.
Absolutely. People focus on the QC exceptions and assume they’re getting worse, but people forget how bad it was. Their general qc is overall really solid, especially compared to 2015/2017.
Transformer fans should be able to have their own opinions without one group of fans demolishing them for it.
I definitely agree with the "just because you like it doesn't mean it's good and vice versa". I like age of extinction more than most people but it has many flaws. Even for the last knight, I do genuinely enjoy some parts of the movie but as a whole I wouldn't be keen to watch it.
As for hasbro, I feel like the past 4 years since wfc and ss line started, hasbro has gotten so much better with engineering, sculpt, playability for the price. If it weren't for ss i wouldn't have been able to get so many good figures of my favourite characters without going to the aftermarket. I do agree the price is going crazy high right now and it will continue on which is why I mostly get them on discount when possible. And the qc issues aren't even that bad compared to ko companies who receive too much praise for upscaling others work with poorer materials
Toy designers and engineers aren't the ones to blame when we have inaccurate toys... *SOMETIMES*
It's the character designers fault for making the robot modes complicated without the transformation and practicality in mind. (Usually characters from live action movies)
Also faux parts are not bad. Even live action / CGI uses faux parts. If you look at their transformations closely, you'll notice that a lot of the robot mode parts just tuck into their body and magically disappear. (not all the time tho)
Ya know, if toy reviews understood this, there would be way last winning
Ya know, if toy reviews understood this, there would be way last winning
There has been a legacy blitzing sitting on my target shelf for like 6 months
the insect head designs of decepticons in beyverse really add to their creepy and menacing feel and it really makes me like their designs.
In my opinion, Bayverse have no grasp on logic, not from my bias as a g1 fan, but nothing in the bayverse makes any sense
Yeah they definitely threw all continuity and logic in the trash since the 2nd, but the 4th and 5th took it egregiously far 😭
Same goes with the G1 series
my hot take is that the aftermarket desperately needs to have a major shift in it. for those like me where we almost exclusively back collect it's a pain in the diodes and then some. cap the prices at original retail cost and go down from there based on how complete the figure is. it'd make at least something in this day and age of constant dumpster fires a lot less painful.
My Transformer Hot Takes: 1. Starscream deserves his own solo movie. I don’t care what anybody says, if handled correctly Starscream can be one of the most complex and well written characters in all of transformers. Bay did such a terrible job with him, and he deserves so much better. Just look at shows like armada, where they turned him into a tragic autobot, or tf prime/animated where he is one of the most fun characters to watch on screen. There is even an idw comic that dives deep into his psychology and mental status. Come on give us a joker style spin off movie, Starscream is so much more then a shallow cowered. Hot Take 2. Dark of the moon should have gone with it’s original ending. Don’t get me wrong, I love Dark of the moon, but I feel like the original ending would have rapped up the bay trilogy perfectly. If you never heard of the original ending, look it up. I mean, Megatron literally saves Optimus’s life. And how does prime repay him, by tearing off his head. It just makes prime come off as an asshole. If Megatron would of surrendered and offered to let prime kill him as an alternative, I feel like it would have made Megatron so much more compelling, and rapped up his character ark much better then just killing him again and endlessly reviving him. It would also help show that Prime still has some kindness and surrender in his spark, which was a big compliant of the bay movies. Megatron once was his brother in arms after all. Hot Take 3. Slipstream is the sexiest transformer. Yep, I’m a weirdo. Also Shatter and Arcee. Well I hope my hot takes have either make you agree with me, or pissed you off. Don’t take anything I said too seriously. Goodnight and Roll Out!!!
Bay did a terrible job? Man, I really liked Starscream as a character. Only thing I could think of to make him better was to make him more energetic toward seizing the decepticon throne.
Well, ok to be fair I guess I was being a little too hard on Bay. It’s not that he did a terrible job with Starscream, it's just that I personally was left very disappointed with his take on Starscream. Growing up watching the g1 and animated cartoons, Starscream has always been a favorite character of mine. He just brings so much fun and life to the deceptions. So when the first bay movie came out, I was really let down by the fact that he only had one line in the entire movie. Then the sequels came around, and I don’t know something just felt missing. He did have any of the energy or charm I loved about him. Also Bay gave him the most pathetic death scene ever in dotm. If you like bay Starscream, good for you. We all like different characters, and I respect your opinion. I just do not like the character personally.
@@nintendofan232 yeah, fair point. Bayverse Screamer definitely was lacking in terms of personality. Although I did like that they showed more of his power as air commander, I’ve definitely liked Starscream more after starting to watch g1.
1:Characters don’t have to always match g1 designs one to one, they just have to not be ugly
2:hot rod did nothing wrong
Man the second one will start a fight.
@@gamerfan8445 hot rod is my favourite character
@@greyisland217 great, but “Hot rod did nothing wrong” will cause a war between everyone.
@@gamerfan8445 Optimus hap so much time to shoot but didn’t. It’s like he failed the quick time event
@@greyisland217 fair.
3:48 "Well developed characters" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Amount of cope bayverse fans spew is Insane
I mean for a movies standards, ironhide is well enough developed, how much more screen time could they have given to a side character?
Transformers Animated had one of the best interpretations of what the Transformers were, and we'll never see anything close to it ever again.
Just because u like it doesn't mean it's good.
Just because u hate it doesn't mean it's bad .
Very well said.
I can't stop laughing at the beast war animation line....and it's been 30 minutes...and still going!
9:36 glad I’m not the only one that just CANNOT get behind this figure. Lol.
Genuinely one of the most casually infuriating toys to mess with I’ve ever owned 😭😭
Ranking every live action
1. TF 07
2. BB
3. ROTB
4. DOTM
5. AOE
6. ROTF
7. TLK
Fight me
Give me your face
Bayverse prime wasn't too brutal and g1 prime wasn't too soft, both had adapted to fight their version of the decepticons. Bayverse decepticons were more brutal, leading to autobots needing to be brutal to combat them. G1 decepticons were mostly a nuisance, so the autobots didn't need to be that brutal. But by the time the g1 movie happens, you can see that the decepticons have become more aggressive and Optimus has become more serious, he has started to treat them like the threat they are, hence why he guns down and runs over them instead of a few half hearted shots.
Same with animated, he didn't need to be a warrior because the war over, they didn't need to be trained as soldiers, the decepticons weren't as much of a threat. There were only a scattered handful left in the galaxy.
I agree with this I think people forget that in the the autobots were outnumbered most of the time and the decepticons were bigger than them too.
@@MaxMax-ok1ek also prime had nothing on the decepticons when it came to brutality.
@@dragoninabackpack8200 true
The main reason why sometimes i choose third party over mainline is cause they always come with upgrade kits that are usually expensive on their own
The way I see it, each character has core design elements, in their aesthetics as well as their personalities. It's alright to innovate on these characters, but I prefer it when new designs incorporate key features of the characters' core design. It doesn't have to be 1-to-1 exactly the same. It just has to be enough for the viewer to say, "yeah that's Optimus Prime," or "I can tell that's supposed to be Starscream." The idea is to keep some part of the character's design philosophy without being completely shackled by it, and exhibiting creative freedom in the design without sacrificing what made those characters recognizable in the first place.
There are exceptions, where the creative ideas applied to a character that fans react so positively towards that it becomes a new core identifier of the character. And there are times where the design is great, but it just doesn't suit the character that it's intended to represent. And there are times where a very obscure character where creative freedom is more easily forgiven, and it leads to that character's newfound popularity.
And I would lend this scrutiny to characters from every continuity of Transformers, be it show, film, video game, or comic book.
As for G1, it was our first introduction to many of these characters, so all those characters were initially defined and designed by it. Whether we like it or not, that's where most of the design philosophies originated for these characters. That's why so many fans put emphasis on it.
This video was so funny lol. Made my day
AoE had some of the best Dinobot designs.
True
Absolutely love the aoe Dinobot designs. Only good thing that came out of that movie for me lol
Fal of cyetron,war for cybertron, comics>
@@King_Shockwave_they didn't appear in wfc
I actually really liked the Netflix War for Cybertron trilogy. Siege was awesome, Earthrise kinda sucks, and Kingdom is definitely second place. I recommend only watching Siege, it's the best season by far.
"I think a movie is bad but I think it is well made" that last part is still a subjective opinion because there is no such thing as true objectivity quality in art.
yes there is lol. like I said, plenty of things are in the gray area, but some things are extreme enough that it's one way or the other. No need to play word games.
@@papermelon but any "objective standard" will just be someone's subjective opinion on what makes a movie good.
While Iron Hide's death makes me cry every single time (he was my favorite Bayverse Autobot, RIP 😭) It made known how much of a threat Sentinel is in, NOBODY COULD KILL IRON HIDE BECAUSE HE'S A FREAKING TANK. And Sentinel 3 shots him. It made for an amazing twist that makes Dark Of The Moon the best Bayverse Transformers movie.
Seriously how hard is it for people to understand this 😭😭
To be honest It's not much that NObody could kill ironhide because Starscream probably could, but its because Ironhide was one of the main cast, and one of the only characters with a GOOD personality
@@TheAbondonedCircus I doubt that because Iron Hide takes quite a beating in the movies. Even Sentinel's Rust gun took 3 hits to finally kill him. That shows how rough this dude was.
@@braydenpage1808 He shot him with a Comsmic rust cannon which in Lore will Kill ant cybertronian IN TImE so Sentinal shot him multiple times to speed up his death
I think rise of the beasts was one of the best tf movies. I do like all of them but I personally like rotb more than most of the bay verse films.
7:05 I enjoy when megatrom actually has a kind side, I’m writing a story with megatron having kindness and wonders if making the decpticons was the right thing.
Hot Take: Bayfans are just as annoying as geewunners. They’re just in another format. And most of the time they don’t stop on hating on other transformers fans
I think the disconnect comes from the characters being changed. Bumblebee for example, the character from G1 and the character from the movies are totally different, not the same character, so which one is bumblebee? They are both official so we argue about it
I wish g1 didn’t infiltrate every toy line, like studio series 86, the toys are good but all of them could be from the legacy or earthrise lines, now I’m hearing people say they want transformers devestation to be a part of the studio series gamer edition line… it’s just g1 but cell shaded
Dude I feel that on 86. I really like most G1 toys, but they’ve completely defeated the point of us getting our own movie toy line. The worst part is they’ve completely replaced the actual movie figures, so now studio series and legacy are both just full-on generations lines.
And we’re FINALLY getting a SS commander class, and it’s AN 86 CHARACTER??? You could’ve just made him in the legacy commander slot??
As a g1 guy who grew up with the original series and toys i have to say you are right about something. The transformers toyline and cartoon series wouldnt be anywhere near what it is now without the michael bay movies. The Last Knight is still trash tho and i love Revenge of the Fallen. Lockdown was the only cool thing about Age of Extinction. You are right tho,g1 fans can be so hateful bc they feel they are protecting"their" transformers. Its nonsense. Good for you to point this out. Great video!
Saying g1 starscream is overrated is the first time i got offended from hot takes, altough i respect the opinion.
Remember, you're only a TRUE transformers fan if you respect each others opinions and don't force your own upon others.
I want to see a transformers story where the autobots successfully hide from humans, if every transformers story set on earth has a small rare exception, they're not a small rare exception
Gewuuners need to stop pretending G1 was a masterpiece media too, most of the plots are hanna barberra tier and the animation studio seems to not even care with characters models most of the time, meanwhile back in the 80's japan already made Macross and Zeta Gundam
10:33
OMFG THANK YOU! SOMEONE FINALLY CALLED OUT THOSE ANNOYING PESTS. Just like some people and everybody who hasn't grew up with the G1 series, each of us have our own G1; Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, Cyberverse, RiD 2001, and ofc, Bayverse. It's not so hard to not just being an annoying gatekeeping a-hole and let people enjoy things. And it's not hard to dislike it for yourself, and not dunk on others who love it. That's just pure dumb alienation.
Is it not too late for me to share my Transformers hot (or coldest) take? If so, here I go: Geewunners are the self-milking lolcows of the Transformers fandom.
😂😂 I love the passion in this comment
Now, on a serious note. The comments about the hateful G1ers. I'm 47yo, I was 7 or 8 when I got my first Transformers toy, it was Sideswipe. Ironically, the only representation I had in my collection, until very recently, was the Bayverse one. Now I have it and the G2 one. Anyways, I started out, only wanting the charecters I remember as a kid, as they looked back then. I have since, opened my mind, and am venturing out into all continuities, and love it! It's in part thanks to Legacy for exposing the mainline to more obscure charecters, that I want to learn more about, so thanks Legacy, can't wait for year 3 United. Gonna be wild. Anyways, I cannot stand that my fellow old folk, have given ME such a bad rep, and if they knew just how much like little butterball babies, flailing around on the floor, whining and crying, they look like, they'd be as embarressed for themselves, as I am for them. Grow up you dumbasses, they're freaking TOYS YOU MAN CHILD!
*SOME* of the Bayverse designs are the best versions. Ironhide, Barricade, Bonecrusher, Sideways, and the Constructicons (Not Devastator) look better in the movies than anywhere else.
Also not every Fembot needs to be SUPER feminine.
My unpopular opinion is that I hate hotrod-style shoulders not because they look unnatural but because you can't get them to do anything unless there's another shoulder joint.
As opposed to people who hate them because they look wrong.
I feel like Age of Extinction and The Last Knights are not that bad just because of the “big robot fight” aspect of them.
Hot take: 2015 rid clampdown is the best Decepticon (sorry if I spelled that wrong) I feel he breaks all of the stereotypes about decepticons being brutes or tough, I like him a lot.
6:57 he’s one of the greatest over the top Saturday morning cartoon villains of all time. Him and Cobra Commander, the Shredder and Krang, Skeletor.
I’m personally not a huge fan of the Beast Wars Universe idea, I like when the transformers only turn to vehicles or technology
In my opinion Transformers animated Megatron is one of the best Megatrons in the franchise .
10:39 G1 fans act that way because it was there childhood, the one they grew up with thats why they tend to perfer G1 over anything else. When they see something new it feels like a personal attack to them thats why they hate the Bayverse stuff, but when doing this they completely forget that this newer incarnation of the franchise is introducing a whole new generation of people into the TF Fandom. Thats their biggest flaw, not being able to just go along a recognize that there's something new, something that will spark the joy of Transformers into a new younger audience.
To clarify this doesn't mean every G1 fan is like this, it's just from my experience on Ninjago since I grew up with the 2011 crew and not the new crew this was how it was because it wasn't really my childhood, but I recognized that it may no longer be my Ninjago but it most likely is a new introduction for a younger kid.
Transformers Animated is the best TF show. Each episode way to beat the Villian is so different and unique to others, each character is fleshed out and has personality. The animation also looks beautiful and vibrant. The references and cameos are Amazing.
If you really think about it in the bumblebee universe characters looking inaccurate from there g1 counterparts has been quite consistent such as Blitzwing looking like Starscream. Mirage having Jazz's alternate mode with also Scourge being a truck and Wheeljack being Pablo also hot take jolt was the most underused cool looking autobot aside from trench in tlk in all of the bayvesrse
dude I really needed this video today ❤️
I don’t know how many more spicy takes there can be but I’m so here for the next one of these thank you 🙏
Im just happy someone else did not like "The Batman" I thought it was disappointing as well.
The reason I like Transformers as a franchise is because the difference iterations aren't fixed. Ive seen atleast 5-6 different Megatrons with their own style and feel. I honestly find it annoying when new iterations try to base their designs on the original to please the older fanbase. Its almost like they are scared of the fanbase backlash
The only thing I actually despise is the idea that there is such thing as an "objectively" good or bad toy/movie/any work of art. The quality of a work of art is determined by how much you like it and that will always be subjective.
I love studio series mirage 105. I cant wait to get it!
Personally, I don’t have issues with partforming as long as the detached part transforms into something like a weapon, take for example Black Apple Optimus Prime and Ironhide guns. I have problems when the whole backpack detaches to make a “shield” like TLK Barricade
That's... not supposed to happen on Barricade. I don't know where you got that from.
Same. One of my favorite examples of proper partsforming is Optimus Prime from Classics. His roof and smokestacks come off, but transform into individual blasters.
The "shields" and "sleds" from Earthrise are just inexcusable
Earthrise Bumblebee** dk what was going in my head 💀
Agree, is just lazy engineering. Classics Prime is a good example of good partforming, I also don’t mind when it’s a minimum detail like DreamFactory Bonecrusher smokestack and mini-guns.
Interesting. I’ve heard a lot of fans hate it more when it’s like that since you lose a crucial part of the alt mode if you lose an accessory
3:18 btw you said that was the reason they didn’t kill off bumblebee, but ROTB was set in the past before the bay verse movies so if they killed bumblebee it wouldn’t make sense for the timeline.
I personally don’t like partsforming to much, unless it’s a weapon, but partsforming has been part of transformers since the beginning so I accept it
Funi Hot take i have: TF:P Megatron is VERY overrated, his entire personality was his Dark Energon addiction (i was gonna say smth different but i don't think i can) and his backstory is easily the WORST version of Megatron's "slave turned gladiator" backstory, since you need to read the novels to find out he was a slave in the first place
I'm not saying he's bad, he's my 6th favorite Megatron, but he's VERY overrated
In my eyes, Transformers Prime is peak transformers and I will die on that hill
Not a bad hill to die on 👌
Unpopular opinion: all transformers media is mid, you need to be a diehard fan to legitimately enjoy any of it
Actually fair
Except for Beast Wars, High Moon Cybertron games and few IDW comics
It can be mid sometimes, but most is good.
2000’s kids “they killed iron hide, I can’t like this movie”
My dad sitting me down at six and showing me the 1986 transformers movie….
Animated's sound design rivals the movies. Most of the time, they would make sound for light, medium, and heavy characters moving around, while in animated, they would add buzzing to bumblebee and the noises of squeaky hinges for ratchet. Prowl would be more swift and agile. Also, beast wars is best writing a transformers show has ever had
I agree with you.
The only think i hate it is G1 fans... They keep pushing away of the transformers franchise and Also *I Don’t Care About G1 Probamatic design* I loved the bay verse since I was a kid i know it kinda bad but the CGI is the best you know~
I like Transformers Age of Extinction because that, Beast Wars, and G1 got me into transformers. TF4 came out 5 years after I was born. It’s like you and Revenge of the Fallen. Age of Extinction is a horrible movie but I love it.
Personal opinion, I don’t consider DOTM “Wheeljack” to be Wheeljack. I personally just call him Que, like he calls himself in the movie. I consider them two separate characters.
G1 Megatron turning into a gun is weird and goofy a tank fits him more
My hot take: I love most transformers media, but as an IP, transformers works best as a video game
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The bumblebee movie had perfect designs for bumblebee and optimus.
Imo, the Transformers brand as a whole could benefit from a TV show/comic of a completely new timeline with no correlation to any existing Transformers lore, characters, character names, settings, etc. The only thing it shall retain is the branding of "Transformers" and the fact that they'll still be self-converting sentient robots. Even the plot doesn't have to be about war.
Expected Counterargument: "Why not just look for a different mecha anime/movie/TV show to watch."
My rebuttal: I'm not voicing this opinion solely for my sake. Doing this with Transformers will consolidate the already powerful foothold the Transformers brand has on 'cool-looking transforming robots with lots of variation across different series.' There's been much variation throughout different TF series, such as Animated with their cartoonish designs, Bayverse with their hyper-realistic designs, IDW taking established lore and heightening it exponentially, Beast Wars bringing in biological alt modes, and so on. Beast Wars being as innovative as it was, still tied its lore in with G1, so I think the next big power move in the TF brand would be to create a new timeline with no Optimus Prime, no Megatron, no Primus & Unicron, etc. Unlike creating a new TMNT Series, Gundam Series, etc., I feel like the foundational appeal of having sentient self-converting robots be the main characters of a story is strong enough, and the brand name "Transformers" to be general enough to make it possible to create a new Transformers series that completely resets the lore. I'm not expecting this 'series' to wipe the slate clean of all pre-established lore and characters, but rather to invite a whole new universe of unexplored innovation for the TF brand. Whatever inspiration future TF storytellers or toy designers decide to draw from, old or this hypothetical "new" timeline, I do not care.
Note: I have considered the possibility of something like this already existing that I am just unaware of, so do educate this ignorant zebra if such a thing does exist, and give me a sense of how popular it is. (Was it a flop? Does it have a cult following? Is it somewhat popular amongst comic readers? Etc.)
Not sure it counts, but some of the recent kids series do this. I haven't really watched them so I could be wrong but from what I heard of rescue bots or academy, there wasnt much of the original characters or storylines. (In academy some orignals act as like supporting mentors at some point, but the main focus is the main team and the child friendly lessons.)
I actually liked Age of Extinction it was one of my favorites of the Bay-Verse especially the Dinobots designs they looked badass
Rachets death wasn't totally pointless, it showed how far the humans had strayed from liking the Autobots to hating them by killing a defenseless medic, it shows how cold the humans became after Chicago. Especially when they team up with lockdown, probably the most underrated and underutilized villain in transformers because of how brutal they made him in live action.
My hot take: The Unicron Trilogy was peak Transformers story telling
Imo, I think that if rotb wheeljack was named beachcomber, people wouldn't dislike the design that much. I think Pablo fits better as a Beachcomber than a Wheeljack.
Love this series so much, because there are so many opinions to be held in the transformers “fan base”
Hot take 1: You don't need a huge toy collection to be a transformers fan 🤷🏾
Hot take 2: Galvatron needs to come back as a main villain. It's been too long & idw has good takes on his character.
Don't know if this one is unpopular, but Rescue Bots is a really good show (not to mention loads of toy design potential... especially with Hightide)
say what u want but Weijiang Optimus Prime is probably the best MPM humanity has ever seen and ever will see
Hot take: legacy is keeping transformers alive, it's (mostly) accessable, it pushes older stuff to newer fans, and it generally improves older, gimmicky designs
Hot take 2: Animated has some of the most unique and memorable designs in transformers
when they killed Iornhide and Ratchet everyone who knew them and their character was probably like "WTF WHYYY"
I disliked TFP and because I constantly get people who try to force me to like it from that opinion, I’ve more than started to hate it now
Also, i find it funny yet confusing that the Aligned continuity isn’t so aligned
I'm really tired of all this over saturation of G1, first with this new WFC trilogy (which I thought was the worst) and now with legacy, I know they've given us incredible and beautiful things, but I already want something new and not be square with wheels.