A Conversation with the AUKUS Army Chiefs on Land Power’s Contribution to AUKUS Pillar 2
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- The CSIS Australia Chair cordially invites you to A Conversation with the AUKUS Army Chiefs on Land Power's Contribution to AUKUS Pillar 2.
Monday, March 11, 2024, 4:00 pm - 5:00 pm EDT
Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 8:00 am - 9:00 am AEDT
AUKUS, first announced in September 2021, is a trilateral U.S.-UK-Australia defense partnership composed of two pillars: Pillar 1 provides support to Australia in acquiring conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines; and Pillar 2 focuses on expediting cooperation in critical technologies. To date, Pillar 1 has grabbed most of the headlines. However, Pillar 2 is increasingly seen as a vehicle to increase near-term capability acquisition and presents an opportunity for land power to accelerate technological integration between AUKUS countries.
Last year, the Australian, British, and U.S. army chiefs signed a statement of intent identifying capabilities of priority for cooperation. This effort is intended to contribute to the broader work under AUKUS Pillar 2. In this panel discussion moderated by Dr. Charles Edel, U.S. General Randy A. George, UK General Sir Patrick Sanders, and Australian Lieutenant General Simon Stuart will discuss AUKUS Pillar 2 from a land domain perspective and how the three armies can work together to enhance collaborative efforts in capability developments.
CSIS's Australia Chair conducts independent policy research aimed at strengthening U.S.-Australia relations. The Chair is endowed through the generosity of Pratt Industries.
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Australian Army has the most aesthetic uniform of the 3.
Come on. Look at that US general! His uniform is great!
Agree haha Aussie Aussie Aussie!
And the most incompetent leadership cadre.
Im a ex Digger and rekon its ordinary at best.
@@VK6AB-Nailed it ,our Simon is always banging on about "Diversity" woke As f #$k.
Very insightful comments, especially from LTG Simon Stuart. Our three nations are the leaders of their respective regions, and the defenders of the global rules-based order. Deterring China, Russia, Iraq, NK, and any other threats to that order is crucial, and interoperability is the name of the game.
More public conversations like these will be hugely beneficial not only to combatting the spread of misinformation, but also to enhance the bond we Anglos share. After all, Americans/Brits/Australians have been brothers-in-arms in every war since WW1!
Tbh all the recent defence chiefs are vacuous hopeless individuals who can’t stand up for the ADF and advocate for more support. LTG Stuart is just reiterating the same statements that has no meaning for the average layman to understand about the threat countries like Australia are facing.
Tell me who funds these type of think tanks???
THEN you will find out where their motivations originate
@@eman7282 it’s funded by the U.S government and its allies’ governments.
What’s your point? 😂
Yes 2018, the centenary of the first 100 years of Au and USA defending and helping each other and our respective nations and people's we protect against all enemies both foreign and domestic "Anywhere Anytime"
But we haven't won a war with these people since world war 2?
The Taliban beat all of them put together and they didn't even have an airforce,a navy, artillery Regiments ,or even a proper standing Army...so what the hell are you talking about?
Canadians and New Zealanders need to get their act sorted out and sign up to pillar two.
Canada has more interest in Trudeau's woke agenda/identity politics than arming itself.
Why ?
(Small reminder, it is called AUKUS, and not CNZAUKUS... 😂)
Why would they even want to partake in this fraud of a program, only meant to scam Australian defence budget ?
Why would they ?
As a kiwi, I totally agree. Strong alliances are the only way to ensure defensive safety.
NZ is irrelevant
This was an informative and highly necessary public showing of the other main, and perhaps, more important, facet of the AUKUS partnership.
Only one small point caused me to pause and that was the UK’s General Sir Patrick Sanders dismissing a question regarding what each force leader would do in a potential, theoretical threat situation in the South East Asian region.
General Sanders sidestepped the question by saying the British Army would only act in that, potential, theatre on the instructions of their political masters, or words to that effect.
I understand that General Sanders and his Minister have their hands full closely watching developments in the first full-on conflict in Europe since the end of WW2; however, that was the kind of thinking and lack of forward planning that caught UK forces off guard when the ‘surprise’ attack on the Falklands Islands occurred in 1982.
Significantly, US policy, at that time, precluded involvement, on the ground, of any US forces; leaving the UK to embark on a multi-force campaign that, in hindsight, was a ‘close run thing’, to quote Wellington, on Waterloo.
While the RN has a Centuries old policy of policing the world’s oceans, the UK’s land forces have, since the end of hostilities in Malaya, post-WW2, have not ventured into other world conflicts, in any real sense, until the ‘modern era’ Middle Eastern wars.
The British General’s comments seem to indicate that a similar period of non-engagement policy exists in regard to threat scenarios outside of NATO’s sphere of responsibilities.
This attitude seems to be at odds with the stated goals of the AUKUS agreement; in effect, making the UK the weakest of the three participants.
Our Australian Chief of Army demonstrated an enthusiastic wish to become a fully committed partner in AUKUS even though, outside of his responsibilities, politicians in Australia have hinted that cuts to Army might be needed to channel funds to the proposed nuclear submarine force for the RAN, under the terms of AUKUS Pillar 1.
This seems to run contrary to the stated AUKUS aims of not starting with a weapon system then allowing it to dictate strategic policy training and logistics. It is encouraging to hear the Australian General stress that winning a ‘fair fight’ is no longer the preferred outcome.
In decades just past we have seen sudden, comprehensively brutal terrorist type attacks that deserve a far more destructive response commensurate with, and surpassing, the aggression.
One trusts that the US Army’s policy is similar, more like it used to be during WW2 with its regular, overwhelming firepower advantages compared to one’s enemies.
In my view, had America adopted the same WW2 philosophy of overpowering military might in the recent Middle Eastern conflicts, they would have been nipped in the bud before they could spawn increasingly evil attacks against ‘soft’ targets and then grow in effectiveness after the US and her allies withdrew from the region. - W.K.H. Military Historian
Public opinion and the modern media, doesn’t allow for the overwhelming firepower that you’re propagating.
The loss of civilians and the weapons technology today, with precision guided systems, consigns carpet bombing to the annals of history. As you sir, should know very well.
Of course there could well be exceptions, in Total war scenarios and in jungle warfare for examples.
But the general rule, is to minimise the unnecessary loss, of non militant’s lives.
The USA and co, may not have used their full arsenal against the Taliban, Alquada and Sadam Hussain. Bc they didn’t have modern weaponry and industrial output, to pose any significant threat to the Allies.
And the threat of terrorists, is asymmetrical and global. That requires, a much more surgical targeted and intelligence based response.
What you’re basically calling for, is like saying kill a mosquito with a bazooka. Yes it will get the job done, but you’ll destroy half your own house with it.
The 3 officers, are hardly likely to specify, all their contingency plans for a possible war, are they?
Needless to say, such a response must be measured and targeted carefully.
We’re not living in the 19th Century anymore Skippy. I’m afraid Australia, has to ensure it’s own security. Coordinating with, the combined Allied forces.
Britain can only do so much for Australia, being on the opposite side of the planet. As Australia can do for Britain.
Australia has the potential to far exceed Britain’s capacity. Britain has always depended on their overseas allies and past colonies. For support that guarantees, Britain’s independence.
Our greatest strengths, can also be our greatest weaknesses.
Having a global network over vast distances, certainly has great benefits for all participants, as well as its challenges.
Britain is heavily dependent on the USA, for naval and AirPower, support and technology.
As we all are dependent upon each other.
The threats, potential risks and dangers of today’s world and battlefields, make WW2, look like a teddy bears’ picnic.
China is a very interesting, wonderful and yet scary place. They have the potential, to really upset the Apple cart, should they choose to.
We must learn to see the world through their eyes, to understand the threats and risks they face. As they must with our side, for there to be stability and lasting peace.
At the end of the day, we’re all the same species, just daft humans. So we must instil mutual respect, dignity and Love for each other, to be able to Love ourselves.
Building Great Walls didn’t work for China against the Mongols and I dare say, it still won’t work today.
We know of and much strive for, the higher standards of our being, or there will be no being for anyone.
“Kind words turneth away anger.”
A few kind gestures and signs of respectful understanding, and all the tensions of war dissipate into the wind, like mists with sunshine.
Choose which is the least difficult path.
The path of escalating confrontation? Or the path of swallowing some pride?
@@flashgordon6670In an ideal world which there’s none ,it might work but I’m afraid war through firepower will always be in reserve in case of failed honest diplomatic gestures and understandings .
Not really, most people who pay attention are aware of this. I thought it was a poor performance on many levels. These are the people that have presided over poor state of readiness, poor retention, poor recruitment and years of high suicide rates.
@@VK6AB- G'day VK6, Widespread community ignorance of these matters is rife. Of course, those interested in these issues would be aware of them but my time as a journalist then as a military historian tells me that the general populace tend to either take the functions of their defence forces for granted or don't contemplate them at all unless a direct, well publicised, serious threat presents itself.
For decades I've felt the growing rate of suicides of serving and former war fighters to be an utter disgrace and a topic that strongly deserves much more detailed, frequent coverage.
My service included the last years of our involvement in the Vietnam war and, even then, there were real indications that Vietnam veterans were being actively ignored by their fellow veterans from previous conflicts.
There were many instances of these young veterans being 'driven away' from RSL (Legion etc.) Clubs while also, unfairly, being labelled, among other monstrous things, 'baby killers' by an ill-informed 'peacenik' faction of post-60s, 'hippy' counter culture and anti-war moratorium marchers which grabbed the headlines as the plight of the veterans were, again, largely ignored.
Historically, there were pushbacks from WW1 veterans against the young WW2 veterans; yet the negative stance against Vietnam veterans was a much more vindictive, sometimes violent affair.
Also historically common are the damaging attitudes of military 'top brass' who, post conflicts, garner huge promotions and decorations while washing their hands to the plight of their former rank and file troops, sailors and airmen.
Highly valued while in uniform, once back in mufti, these veterans are treated like they've never served, at great personal cost.
Time passes and, these days, Korean and Vietnam veterans are now the 'senior' members at RSL and other Service organisations.
The suicides and other serious psychological trauma conditions are now felt by veterans of the 'modern era' Middle Eastern conflicts.
I must say that the Vietnam veterans have been definitely more welcoming to this new group of veterans which is encouraging. Still, one ADF connected suicide is one too many.
Post conflict and pre-discharge monitoring, assessment and treatment for potentially serious psychological issues should be formalised and made mandatory for all soon to be discharged personnel and made available to every member should the need arise at any point in their service.
Senior Staff Officers are 'lifers' and they must take more responsibility for the care of their troops and should never 'cut them totally loose' the moment their discharge papers are signed. Bill H.
@@BillHalliwell Very well said. I would add to that, those at the top are "responsible" whilst those below are accountable. For at least 20 years many of our General staff officers have avoided responsibility and been ineffective with government, ineffective in service and in effective toward the general public. One simple observation, Osama Bin Laden was executed in Abbottabad, PAK in 2011 (by ST6, DEVGRU) and one simple question, why was SOCOMD still involved in hopeless and completely ineffective "whack-a-mole" COIN ops many years later? Our current leadership is completely out of its depth with regard to missile technology, electronic warfare and asymmetric warfare. They are suffering paralysis through analysis because, from an intellectual point of view they are out of their depth and therefore don't have a visceral feel for any of the above. The consequences are damning, poorly crafted strategy which ultimately translates to poor morale and worse still, poor outcomes. They could have been ahead of the curve, many good people were able to call major strategic issues out in regard to PRC and RUS and yet here we are, a long way behind the curve. They fiddled while Rome burned.
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Thank you
13:30 The eloquent summary by the British general of what is at stake in Ukraine and beyond is much appreciated. What's in it for us to help Ukraine? Listen again to the general's articulate mission statement. Would that our political leaders were as clear with strategy as he is. Best regards, from the USA
Maybe they should of thought about all of this while we were , fun loving , patriotic MEN ! With relative freedoms to enjoy our fruits of hard work .
Now all 3 nations nations are overwhelmed with woke , gender confused lazy & entitled brats , that have been groomed to be weak as piss .
Not to mention being flooded with non patriotic immigrants, that are part of the plan to breed good ole boys out .
These fools that have allowed this gender woke crap into our military’s have Buckley’s chance of beating a bric’s alliance military.
Fancy weapons won’t matter at all in the long game .
Our nations are deeply divided.
Ukraine is full of Nazi's, here's some proof 🤮
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Nonsense. Ukraine was not part of the British-US system nor way of life. There is no foundation for his assertion that Ukraine must be fought over by Britons, Americans, or Australians
@@DollyRanchdemocratic values to be preserved at all cost!!!
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I was under the impression the Aust Government was cutting Army budget to help,finance the Sub’s purchase if that is the case how can we maintain a strong land focus? From my understanding these cuts even impact the future purchase of APC’s
IFVs and SPGs. maybe they will be picked up later. The important thing is to have the production lines. The new element is the emphasis on amphibious/littoral mobility and ops which needs different equipment. See what the USMC is doing with its new littoral regiments. Designed to operate across Pacific island chains with very LR comms and fires.
Nice words to say the Australian Army has been stripped completely bare and that any losses taken during any conflict will be totally irreplaceable.
Australian army has always been about high quality light infantry and IFV's
They will no doubt be procured further at a later date.
Like they said: Australia is transitioning to a focused military - this means prioritising certain projects over others.
The submarines are much, much more vital to Australia’s geopolitical interests at this time.
Hope this helps.
@@TeeDubzz we've never had IFVs. M113s and LAVs are APCs. The redback will be the first IFV in Australian service.
that's not true about infantry. mounted rifles in the Boer war, heavy assault infantry in WW1, motorised, jungle and commando troops in WW2, light infantry in the Vietnam and GWOT period. Whatever the circumstances required.
The cutting edge technologies and skills to overcome in the face of adversity.
Really!
NZ needs in on this ASAP!
The kiwis will always be there!
Really why?
@@letsgetreal-df7puyour username will !
@@letsgetreal-df7pu for the drone tech and to keep our relationships strong... though the USA needs to give NZ free trade, as it is pretty much forcing NZ to mainly trade with China.
Let me tell you something the further away from the US the better for New Zealand.@@dracovenit9549
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We win With the 💯 heart's and minds of the people. Pscy Ops is obviously an integral part of it.
If you dont like that,,,,the pin moving up and down is a alto matic firing pin it could be used for
New Zealand wants to join to peel the potatoes for the Allies whilst they do all the heavy work as usual
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Cast your mind back to when the Japanese were building an airfield in the Solomons back in WW2, NZ was strategically important. As the shipping connection between the US and ANZ back then was important. The recent deal making between the Communist Chinese and Solomons was a rude shock I think.
However, if there is a confrontation between the USA and PRC it will be focused around Taiwan, the sea lanes around Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and PRC, and straits of Malacca.
It is a largely theoretical geopolitical issue I believe. It would depend on irrational decision making, mainly in PRC. The communist political system there has more checks and balances than it did under Mao, when the communists were far more brutal and totalitarian than they are now; however, one party rule is very susceptible to concentration of power in the hands of a power broker or a charismatic 'once in a generation' leader. So its something to watch out for.
Important to have the deterrent though. Countries without it are vulnerable. It is perfectly fine for PRC to build a deterrent, but they have been overly aggressive. They seem to be prosecuting this agenda that anything with 'China' in its name naturally belongs to them...for example South China Sea, which is incorrect. I think their view is if they can get away it, all good; but its immature and antagonistic.
New Zealand is not stupid enough to join this circus, complete with over engineered weapons that do not work and no ability to surge manufacturing. England no longer produces steel and American steel works are owned by the Japanese. Wars are won on logistics, the west does not have any.
Hey what? As an Aussie I cannot let stand this slur against our ANZAC brothers and sisters. They are tough, brave professional and effective. They have proven their mettle.
@@karlharrison2449now the kiwis are stupid enough to let their best rugby coach to coach the wallabies,that’s Anzac for you.
Prism range is from 180 miles to 500 miles? Oh wow 1200 mls to 2500 mls that’s much better than ATACM missiles by a very long margin 😮
What gave Britian the greatest empire in the world was it's sea power, not it's Land Power, but we live in an era of missiles and aircraft, so with the navy , to ensure these are techologically more advanced that any potential enemy , it is not about land power although that provides advancement, but the navy is about containment and missiles and aircraft are about delivery.
Reducing the C2 node footprint is essential.....hopefully this is also the end of power point driven decision making briefs.
That's right 💯🗽 we do not put soldiers or people at risk especially in the 😢 country of origin.
Yes, certainly a LOT of bang for buck. D, Determined , Dedicated, definitely, deadly , D, Defending, Detrimental (threats), Detecting, Deterring, Data analysis, Diligence, Disclosure of bullying and abuse (CSA). THE BRITISH GUY IS BANG ON POINT. Operating in unicen not in opposition.
Ukraine matters and Australia needs to contribute more in terms of military assistance. Mick Ryan has noted that some Australian military equipment is soon to be decommissioned and asks why this cannot be sent to Ukraine. What happened with the F18s? And then later the helicopters that were stripped and then buried.
It seems as though the ADF needs a serious injection of younger and/or more technologically savvy people within the upper echelons. We can and should learn from the war in Ukraine that drones and AI are the future.
As a small nation we must utilise and embrace this new technology and have the imagination to think creatively on how we can defend Australia.
If a trump presidency cuts military ties with Europe can we rely on them? We neednto seek out other alliances now because we are living in precarious times.
Australia needs to focus entirely on the Indo-Pacific as it did for five decades after the fall of SIngapore in 1942 under both Labor and Liberal governments.
The EU is primarily responsible I think. The USA is the main partner in NATO, however, I think post Brexit, this is the wake up call that the EU needs to forge ahead with a defense force powerful enough to deter Putin's Russia.
The u.s is our ally,more akin than Europe.The u.s contributed approximately 50% of NATO military hardware and Trump was right about European countries not increasing their share or just plain selfish!!
The F-18s had come to the end of their useful lives, that is why they were being replaced. They would require extensive work done on them such as centre barrel replacements to make them safe enough to fly in those combat environments.
More support and encouragement and healing and recovery and rehabilitation services and products and PRAYERS WILL BE PERFECT
Every one needs saterlught Teck,,,,but the stepper motor and scrial magnet is great for gun mount auto Matic station once picked up on saterlught,,,,up and down and left and right,,,,full rotation stepper motor and coil drive,,,,screw ,,,,also magnetic braking of system
With a step moter u can control a potenial metre which controls mossfet for speed of remote airpoelane,,,dc moter
This unit can be found in a auto Matic evaporation valve not bad teck
Generals gather in their masses
Just like witches at black masses 🤘
That's a good song to have stuck in my head, thanks.
Landpower is the ability-by threat, force, or occupation-to gain, sustain, and exploit control over land, resources, and people.
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The US Army recruitment woes is partially due to its inability to evolve. The younger generation is all about technology integration especially between the organic and synthetic technology pieces. In addition, the Army leadership lacks the vision to see what the 21st Century and beyond means in real time, for example scrapping the absurd Key West Agreement which severely hurt the Aviation of the Army from being able to transport our troops both straight leg and Airborne forces via our own transports (tactical deployment via C27's and C130's ) to CAS missions that was perfected by the then Aviators of the Army Air Corps(bri g it back) the USAF is about to retire the A10's when they can give some of them to the Army and if the USAF doesn't want to be sensible then get the Harriers from the USMC with its capabilites being more than what Army Aviation need,especially the ability to operate without the use of an airfield, do you know how many mote recruits will line up knowing that they have those two MOS's to work towards, not to mention the current Army Aviators will benefit from that. The Army need to evolve and expand its Expeditionary capabilities especially the amphibious capability devoting Regiment size forces to fulfill that role, raising up a new Airborne Corps (21st Airborne Corps "Above and Beyond ") a Corps dedicated to the advancement of the Army's Expeditionary evolution and technological innovation and development, reactivating the 24th ID 8th ID and 172nd ABCT as the core units oriented towards the Pacific and Artic AO's and serving alongside the 18th Airborne Corps in the global response capability. The younger generation want to buy in but the product have to be worth the price.
Whole lot of fundamental problems bridging the political/command gap are not being discussed here especially when it comes to the concept of "depth" when it comes to people.
Recruitment is at all time lows - especially following war crimes trials to vilify returned soldiers who have previously won honors for Valor.
National sentiment is near rock bottom - even amongst naturalized people - due to education that vilifies history.
Lack of incentivization for troops to go into combat exists too. What benefit do warfighters receive beyond not being charged for refusing to follow orders? Per hour combat pay? Seriously?
The earnestness of troops of the WW2, Korea, Vietnam and even War on Terror era has evaporated. Now most thinking soldiers and members of the public are wanting more incentives and protections to risk their life than a medal if they survive - especially in context to post war situation.
Suicide and endemic drug addiction isn't a great recruiting poster.
Also:
Fear of breaching war crimes has prevented the fundamental rational of war from being pursued - that of WINNING by any means and then enforcing your will upon the enemy.
You don't win a war by not pursuing victory by any means REGARDLESS of the political will. Taliban won. The FUCKING TALIBAN. Why? Because command and political structures refused to accept the realities of WAR culture and instead approached "Conflict" as a domestic police action with the same rules, rationales and philosophies as a riot suppression operation at home.
We only win through their complete destruction or by their unconditional surrender at an ideological level.
A box 5foot x5foot pointed into area ,,,,just concentrating on that area,,,,,you scale that with horrizon,,,,that's eight lasers pointing covering U work it out,,,but radar base different to spinning
Build Submarines No Go Go Timers Australia Chief!!!
British army chief with out men, 40 tanks, no artillery or shells because they gave to Ukraine. Brilliant!
@IC3XR "Very insightful comments, especially from LTG Simon Stuart. Our three nations are the leaders of their respective regions, and the defenders of the global rules-based order. Deterring China, Russia, Iraq, NK, and any other threats to that order is crucial, and interoperability is the name of the game. More public conversations like these will be hugely beneficial not only to combatting the spread of misinformation, but also to enhance the bond we Anglos share. After all, Americans/Brits/Australians have been brothers-in-arms in every war since WW1! " This is one of the most naive comments here - there is no such thing as a "global rules-based order", are you so naive that you think PRC and RUS play under these so-called rules. I can assure they don't. The three generals on display reflect the systemic failure of both the military and government over the last 20 years or so. They are almost typecast mannequins outlined in "The Psychology of Military Incompetence".
You'd reckon such an advanced think tank would be able to figure out how to utilize a notch filter on it's PA to attenuate that mid-range feedback loop.
idiot geniuses
I didn't know audio visual was core business. You might want to speak to the production company they would have hired.
@@smeary10 Sure. What's their name?
Wonder what their opinion of Diversity equity and inclusion are
As far as diversity goes they'd be all for it.they have to be given the difficulty attracting recruits.the British have used non nationals for eons.Gurkhas and Fijians. Australia is looking at Pasifika non nationals,read mercenaries on a promise of permanent migration. Women troops? My old mate served in Vietnam,he had been fired upon by women soldiers.Their rounds kill just the same.
@@marklowe8087 it was a joke question, it is a comment more on how soft Western armies have become the last 10 years by focusing on stupid things like diversity instead of competency.
@@marklowe8087 a hint of white policy here,mate,why yourself didn’t join the military instead of the pasifika,grow up!!!,idiot!
Diversity is based on merit regardless of race, gender,religion beliefs and etc.,if you can shoot straight you’re in,whether it’s a woman,black or Muslim,Christian!!!
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lets go boys!
A one way ticket to hell.
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My friend. The Resisrance will do nothing. You will do it to yourselves and we wont help to prevent.
Hope they don't fall victim to over thinking the problem.
It's kind of their job to think
They already have.
Laser Teck with audio sonics,,,,this ain't a clapper,,,,the light go on,,,,in shallow water ways laser if sonics are out,,,,,,with a song C wave the n bottom to a bout a ripple in the pattern would reveal a sub ,,,a signal that is recognised so when disturbance acres the alarm or detection can be look into sub detection text,,,,
These guys are legit
Its incredulous that if Trump becomes president he could reneg on the Program. Which by all measure he will.
Piller 6.9 what a party 🎉 🎉🎉🎉what about Australia first..?? The Australian young kids are getting soft and miss directed.Australia has a responsibility to the next generation of Ozzies...
What happened to the anti war movement from the 1970!s? We need to get back on track…
Thanks for the history lesson. 50 years ago….
All passed away via overdose,lucky you still blah blah in retro mode!!
@@georgesikimeti2184 you sound legally retarded?
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So? Australia to secure its economic trading routes and secure them for their most important trade with their trading partners. Who is providing that threat? China? How many bases do they have around the world? 1 - In the Gulf, a refueling station for a PRC frigate that is part of the UN anti-pirate patrolling project. How many do the US have? over 800, worldwide .... mmmmmm .... Who is Australia's major trading partner ... China? huh! I like it more when Nelson Mandella said, "Don't think that your enemy, is my enemy!". Come on Australia, wake up!!! Look what the US has done to the EU! Its de-industrializing in front of us ... Are we that blind in this country?
No,you’re blinded by the $sign ,cmon!,australian dignity and values is not for sale !!
Japan was a huge trading partner in world war 2, as Germany was to Britain. For China, why pay another country when you can take the resources for yourself, once you have the largest army or navy. Someone does not build a huge force unless they are going to use it via coercion or actual use. Maybe China is only using it so they are not coerced but they have nukes for that. Hopefully everything is peaceful, but can we just rely on hope?
Interesting quote from Mandela, I went and viewed that, and the context is a bit different. Mandela was prodded about his support for Palestinians, communist cuba, Gaddafi, etc. The crowd of africans loved his response. However, the reality is that despite being a great statesmen and leader in his own right, South African is gradually becoming a failed state, the majority african government has never satisfactorily eliminated corruption, Arafat was useless and ineffective, Gaza fell under the leadership of Hamas and launched a wicked terrorist attack on Israel causing another horrible war, Cuba under communism brought the world right up to nuclear crisis, and since then has been a lackluster state, and finally Gaddafi hung around in government too long, and was eventually murdered in the street, and Libya fallen into chaos.
So, I think history shows that Mandela played the politics beautifully at the time, but what he said was actually wrong.
Typical uniformed Leftist view. I'm guessing you're from Melbourne. Sipping lattes and having avocado toast doesn't defend anything. China might be a trading partner, but it not a friend, far from it. They hate Australia, they but they have to trade with us. Their morals and actions are not aligned with Australian values in any way, and their policies toward Australia are generally belligerent. Our government asked a reasonable question about the origins of Covid, and China acted in it's usual infantile belligerent way in response, banning imports of Australian goods like wine, coal and lobsters, all high in demand in China. The message? Follow the line, stay silent and give us what they want. Infantile, childish and dictatorial, just like they treat their own citizens. You don't wait until threats are immediately, China is building it's military capability in a major way, we should ensure that we form adequate partners and defence capability. You're the one who needs to wake up. Instead of bowing down, you should stand up. Despite China's trading position, it doesn't dictate to Australia, and it never will. Grow some balls.
The Australian Army is too small and undermanned and under gunned. FACT
Unfortunately true.
Australia is dependent on migrants to prop the economy up, and domestic fertility is abysmal and below replacement.
We are on track to have a military staffed by indians and africans at this rate I believe.
I did my bit for 20 years. It is out of my control now and I have honestly stopped caring. Our country is going down the gurgler. @@lieshtmeiser5542
@@lieshtmeiser5542you and I are migrants unless you’re aboriginal,Australia is built on migration,gosh frustrating!!!
@@georgesikimeti2184 You are of course conceptually correct, however, the reality is that most people in the world like to have their way, and their culture. So the fact that all homo sapiens have migrated out of africa is such a long term process that it lacks practical meaning in this discussion.
An Australian armed forces filled with foreigners from all different cultures cant be expected to really feel the patriotism or ethos that tends to be stereotypically associated with the armed forces, eg 'diggers', 'ANZACs' etc.
I tend to think itll be very challenging finding personnel to man the Virginia subs, let alone everything else.
@@lieshtmeiser5542can I put forward the word “merit” as the basis of joining the armed forces,at least the quality isn’t compromised regardless.
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The Australian army have taipan helicopters they can't get a good run out of for unknown reasons and don't want.The Ukraine asked for them,response; dig a big hole and bury them. True story. Talk the talk.walk the walk.
The reasons for the failure of the Taipan program are actually pretty well known, from poor availability to an unsuitable design for Australian requirements (the issues with the rear ramp spring to mind) and they have now been deemed as potentially unsafe. That is why Australia is not the only one of the current users ditching the aircraft type. The Ukranian forces would be facing the same issues if not worse because they have no experience with the aircraft at all. It is a similar thing to why the Ukranians have not been given say F-16's by the US but rather plans were instigated to provide them MiG 29's from other users because they are familiar with the aircraft.
UK General Sir Patrick Sanders gets the prize for the longest stream of vacuous cliches without substance. He says he starts from George Kennan, a strategic thinker who said pushing Nato eastward would start a war. Clearly either Sanders lacks influence, or hearing. Although we may give Sanders the benefit of the doubt, the UK government rejected UK military calls for increased funds in their recent budget.
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And you just took the prize off him, congratulations.
So right! Utter meaningless gobbledygook from Sanders. Business has started to rid itself of this nonsensical jargon…but the army under this fatuous poser will not prosper!
We will have a new budget in a few months anyway.
I doubt even Kennan could have made Putin a partner. That only leaves the former SSRs' legitimate requests for collective security. Kennan would have jumped back to containment pretty quickly once he figured Putin out.
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Don't rely on Australian support of AUKUS, Albanese has already demonstrated his weakness to the coalition. In reality, Australia has little to contribute in terms of military power, essentially it's an embarrassment as is both Albanese and Penny Wong with the decision to fund terrorists in Gaza.
The U.S. will fuck Australia over again with this terrible submarine deal.
Its not just about submarines - clearly you don't understand the full scope of AUKUS.
@@VK6AB- an utter waste of time and money - I understand it perfectly.
@@coasterblocks3420 Clearly you don't. You understanding is both shallow and superficial.
Can you provide any evidence where the u.s. has given Australia the short end of the stick,cmon!,America was with Australia against the Japanese in the pacific during ww2 and without that vital assistance,the end result would have been disaster.AUKUS is a defensive alliance against potential and aggressive military buildup in the South China Sea.The u.s with its far superior tech. in nuclear power subs. is a major coup since only two nations have these technologies,Britain and Australia,again the u.s. is once again come to our aid against potential military threats from now contested pacific region.
Space odyssey 2001 ,,watch it...have we changed that much?
"A whole of nation endeavour" - this is critical and is not been done in an effective and efficient manner. Moreover, it is abundantly clear there are very real leadership issues in all three armed forces - hence significant drops in both retention and recruitment rates. The failure to engage the general public in the broader discussion is both a military and political failure of significance. The general public of the US, UK and AUS will not walk blindfolded into a major conflict with RUS or PRC. The failure to inform, advise and get buy - in from the general public across these three nations is a basic and fundamental strategic error that reflects the inward looking nature of the modern military and government in general. There will not be another episode of Lions led by Donkeys. The Australian government and the ADF have been MIA for 20 years - they have failed in their threat assessments in the most catastrophic of ways e.g. failure to understand the capability of the obvious regional power, whilst engaging in mind numbingly stupid and ineffective COIN OPS in AFG. Australian infrastructure is wide open and these fools have let it happen in-conjunction with the inept politicians of the ALP and LNP.
Anybody want some Rapid Dragon modules?
(Australia raises arm)
These alliances means only one thing. Australian taxpayers money must flow to USA military industries and Australian citizens will be called up to fight in any wars that USA wants to fight in.
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wow both the australian and american started their careers as enlisted men.
This is not good, for many reasons. Usually have welded on views and rigid opinions also wedded to climbing the greasy pole which is a bad trait in a good war time leader.
@@VK6AB- when i was in the officers that came up from the ranks were by far the best.
@@adamroodog1718 Thats not what history shows in terms of strategic command. The strategy is far more important than the tactics. If you have a good strategy you can have lots of tactical failures and win out, however, if you have a poor strategy you will always lose no matter how good you are on the ground. I have never met an officer who came through the ranks that had outstanding strategic nous. In my view they are some of the most limited officers around. They do make good field commanders Capt. Maj. Col. because they are good at a tactical level and have a good visceral feel for conditions and the strengths and weaknesses of their commands.
@@VK6AB- care to show any examples of historic generals coming up from the ranks being inferior or do we just have to take your word for it?
i can give you a list as long as your arm of generals who have been sacked, from nearly any war you care to mention. infact its very rare that a general finishes a war that he has started in command of. unless of course its a short contained war.
as we can see from the recent ukraine/russia conflict both sides are going through command officers hand over fist. and promoting the new breed. who actually knows how the conflict is going, what does and doesnt work on the front lines and arent stuck in their ways thinking they know better.
if your not winning tactically you cant implement any strategy. both need the success of each other.
and lastly what exactly is the sample size of 'ive never met an officer...'. do you hang around large groups of generals so you differentiate the difference? or are they just words youve said to make you feel like your winning an argument?
@@adamroodog1718 Von Clausewitz, to paraphrase, good strategy will prevail over poor tactics but good tactics will never overcome poor strategy. People that talk tactics are amateurs, people that talk strategy are professionals. This is incredibly basic, it is literally officer training 101. I suggest you read "The psychology of military incompetence". There needs to be substantial and rapid change to the leadership cadre of the ADF - there are very good reasons why the retention rates and recruitment rates are so low along with the high suicide rates of current and former ADF members. These guys DGAF and they have left Australia exposed.
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This ain't right but upgrading madildars,,,, for island activity,,,,upgrade miltildars, new guinea practice
how do you fight a war with net zero energy... one week of ammo, 8 weeks of fuel, no steel production, no gas, young people who don't love their country and a woke army with with weak leaders, answer me this,,,?
After 2 years of reviews and reviews of reviews the Australian Government has just cancelled 3 Hunter Class Frigates, 6 OPVs, decommissioned 2 Anzac Class and pushed any new Frigates to 2035. Don't rely on the Australian Government for Aukus funding whilst the Australian Labor Party is in Government.
Because weapon systems have changed.
Russia and China have hyper sonic anti shipping missiles so they can easily take out any aircraft carrier.
@@zagan1 You obviously don't know much about hypersonic missiles.
You are preparing for a 20th C war in the 21st C. The Ukraine defence against Russia's invasion has changed the face of battles. How many guessed a cheap as chips drone could knock off a piece of military eqipment worth many millions of dollars? How many Russian ships went kaboom due to sea drones?
If you want to get political, the Right Wing Australian governments, over the years, made appalling procurement decisions, failed to develop our own defence manufacturing and went to sleep in recruitment. They also got us involved in that illegal Iraq war by using the WMD lies.
The OPV's are constabulary vessels at best. They are larger versions of the Armidale patrol boats but with limited capacity and capability, they are not warfighting vessels. I would much rather have one of the four GP Frigates designs on offer replacing 6 of the Arafura's numbers than continuing that program with numbers eventually reaching 7-11 GP Frigates. The Hunter Class development has been a nightmare going from a 7-8000t vessel to reportedly a 10000t behemouth and still having less VLS capacity than the smaller Hobart, we have stretched our navy too thing for decades too few vessels available for tasking. Assuming the build program goes to plan by 2033-34 there will be 3 or 4 of the GP Frigates in the water. As for the ANZAC's they are fragged, they have been pushed hard well past their useful. Their replacements should have followed the AWD's frankly. But this was not instigated by governments of either flavour.
Its not just pushing the ships back its the ship yards availability to build them. There will be ships constantly being built, also there is manpower to think about when planning out new ships. With a changing world we need to look at what is practical
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I think the military should be operating more like what we have seen from the Wagner group (but in a much more legitimate capacity, and with strategic peacekeeping in mind).. small, highly mobile/versatile units sent to reinforce and train militaries and governments that want/need their help the world over. Developing nations matter - they will either get help from BRICS (mainly Beijing/Moscow) or from the West.
How we interact with the outside world (or don't) matters - we are more interconnected than we've ever been because of the internet - borders and language are less of a barrier, and culture/information flows freely across the globe.
Being more available to the outside world and developing/unaligned nations is necessary, in my opinion. It is a factor in the ideological war between authoritarianism and democracy (and the so-called East/West). The West needs to be an asset and friend to these countries and peoples - because they are (part of) the future of this world and will play a larger and more public role in global geopolitics moving forward.
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imagine how many keys you could hang off it
I don't want to be disrespectful, but it looks a bit silly
I’m glad they put this on You Tube so at least we know what the f…..s are up to.
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A world with a history of humans not being able to get beyond egos,and see beyond selfishness and control,... How do we get beyond our stupidity and hunger to sort situations out with war ,and just say we don't need to control the world ,people, resources, knowledge, technology. Share without being afraid ,no fear based . The old ways need to fall for the world to raise its being
Did the Kiwi's get left out?
Nope. They're not part of AUKUS.
They're part of ANZUS
@@beyondbackwater4933 which is a commitment to respond if any partner is attacked. It has nothing to do with to do with joint military capabilities and infrastructure like AUKUS does.
Firstly these military officers only represent a small portion of the what we call the Western world. The West represents only about 35 countries out of about 193 or about 15% of the world’s population. What they are endeavouring to do is prevent American/Western hegemony from waning which up to now has allowed them to conduct America’s forever wars mainly against impoverished 3rd world nations which have resulted in millions of civilians deaths, massive infrastructure destruction and immense misery for those that survive. China’s rise is challenging that Western hegemony hence the surrounding of China by American military bases in South Korea, Japan, the Philippines and other bases including Australia. If war was to occur between China and America this would be the very first time that the American homeland could be hit with long range missiles including nuclear. The likelihood is that this war would be unlike any war before even the current Ukraine war as America wouldn’t have immediate air superiority and both adversaries have significant satellite capabilities which minimise surprise attacks. Sorry but this discussion is between 3 military muppets from a bygone era waffling about issues that aren’t even relevant to this war even if it ever started.
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Well if the commentary provided by the Generals in the UK, Australian and US armies on the war in Ukraine is anything to go by, Aukus would blow over in a strong breeze.
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Opening five seconds is giving Monty Python leaders of the Soviet Union
OMG yes
Why do we have so many Americans in our strategic policy units? WTF
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As an Australian. God help us.Australia writng cheques it cant cash. And UK is a joke army.
Strategic review should note that are special forces capabilities are done and dusted you have destroyed our regiment based in the west thinking we do not need this capability.
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How much do the defence contractors pay you guys?
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Aah, the increasingly woke Australian Defense Force. Nice words General..Hope there is no war coming up..😏😏
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Australia is famous for having literally million of tanks.
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@@georgesikimeti2184 exactly
@@georgesikimeti2184 would you believe 40?
Australia uses to have 40 Tanks as in 2024 Australia have a Total of 59 Tanks.@@conflict_monitor
Rules based order? Directed at everyone who does not agree with US. The game is over fellas.
Honest diplomacy could have prevented the 'Ukraine War' ... god help us ...
No such thing as honest diplomacy,failed miserably everytime,it’s more like horse trading diplomacy,compromise to gain dignity while gaining trust from the other.
Putin is anything but 'honest'.
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What I was saying ,,,is a signal sent to bouy or bouys,,,,from bottom of ocean the signal as a well known source ,,,a ripple in the signal would indicate a detection,,,,if pt patrols new sub would n area depth chargers could be deployed,,,as subs these days have magnetic protection so breaking signal looking for a ripple may be only way,,,,,of detecting subs
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Recruitment, you need personal
They have sold out our special forces in Australia
Since drone war stepping up,,,,,you should think of 10mm twin on utes this with radar infrared might or will be needed ,,,as well as gepards say the 10mm might be a game changer on drones thou its close when they come 10mm twin or more barrels but utes and 10mm cam be used against troops but get the out
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