I always felt that Grievous was a foil for Anakins character. A damaged body placed in a mechanical suit. In episodes 3, when Anakin is face to face with Grievous on his flagship, he is really staring at a reflection of himself.
@@GoldenProductionTE this statement becomes even more powerful when you realise a big reason grievous got rebuilt in legends was he felt he was robbed of a warriors death and he was told the jedi did it.
Something that fascinates me about Star Wars is that George let the fans go wild with expanding the lore and history/future of the cannon. He told the story he wanted, could tell more even (we all know he had plans for more) but he didn't put down other talent from expanding his work. And in the end, we got Legends. Other writers who respected and honored George's creation but took it steps further into new directions and built up more lore. As someone who is an aspiring writer, I highly respect this. And all things considered, I would let the same thing happen. Though, unlike George (and in no way do I mean any offense at the man,) I would sooner let the devil possess me than sell my work to someone else. While I get "why" he did it. I honestly feel it was a mistake in the long term of the franchise. At least by keeping it within my influence, I can at least ensure the core of the story remains what it was and is intended to be.
@@s1d3k1ckRO yes but that doesn't mean they have to be so...uhh inconsistent? i dont even have a word for it, that's the closest i can think of. Original trilogy is propably the best movies for obvious reasons, but they aged A LOT, Prequels are memed to death, and mentioning anything about Sequels will cause this entire poor excuse of a community to throw shit at eachother and scream like a bunch of primates about Rey being a mary sue and Disney being some company that is ran by devils all beacuse they made 3 terrible movies that rely on nostalgia and nothing else, (jesus christ, see im now turning into one of them lmao) Meanwhile the coolest shit often happens in tv series, comics and books, while the movies are usually pretty fucking terrible. Like an arc of Clone Wars is usually almost as long as a minimal requirement to be considered a feature film, and they still manage to convey everything WAAAY better than any of the movies did.
Didn't the Revenge of the Sith novelization mention that Dooku was planning to pin the entire Clone Wars on Grievous so that he can get off scott-free after Palps formed the Empire?
i always wondered what Dooku's grand plan was for he end of the Clone Wars. I mean, with they're industrial capacity the Seperatists shouldn't have a problem drawing the Republic into a long, drawn out war of attrition until the Republic just gave up and let them secede, but what about afterwards? He becomes the leader? The Jedi would probably just assassinate him at some point since he's a Sith and all. It seems pretty obvious that Palpatine would have him assassinated at some point even if the Jedi didn't.
@@arthas640 Basically, Grievous is blamed for forcing Dooku to wage war and Dooku is put under house arrest. After the Empire's rise and growth in a few years, Dooku would've been appointed head of a new Sith Order called the Fist of the Empire (Basically the concept plans for the Inquisitorious)
Grevious didn’t care about the war. He didn’t care about the clones, he didn’t even care about the Jedi or the Sith. He only cared about expanding his collection.
Disney would so fuck this idea up. You would get grevious being a woman, whos all powerful and then gets blown up by a white man. So he can oppress her by putting her remains in a body, and to hide its a woman, gave her a male voice. Then exploited her by making her the villian for the galaxy.
Ironic how people accepted the empire out of fear of a second Grievous and yet when that individual did rise it was none other then there own Emperor's chief enforcer, Darth Vader
True. But Vader was human and a brutal enforcer of authority rather than a caotic alien enemy rampaging across the galaxy. Even if Vader's kill count was higher you be surprised how many people would have less of a problem with the authority of their own government murdering people then some outside threat murdering just as many, or even fewer. In the real word there have been some pretty alarming studies done on people who were asked by an authority figure to inflict increasing amounts of pain, even risk killing the subject, on someone else. In other words, most people tend to be like sheep, doing whatever authority tells them to.
Grievous remains to be my favorite villain from Star Wars. Great design, great backstory and I just loved to see him fight during the war. Hoping we get more of him in Season 7.
flash flood99 im not so sure, i don’t expect him in ahsokas underworld arc.. nor the bad batch and definitely not siege of mandalore. The most likely chance though is seeing him in the bad batch arc but i doubt for long
Grevious was a terrifying general. A brain child from Sidious to divide the galaxy to make it ripe for Empiral take over. In 3 years he was the face of the Separists, destroyed entire worlds, slaughtered billions. His legacy would shape the Empire and it’s doctrines.
Grievous was so frightening that he had to be toned down in the movies or they would be unwatchable. Just thinking about living in the same galaxy as him is unimaginable.
I like how Grevious' death is described as part of "the textbook example of a Jedi trap" in the Revenge of the Sith novel (Chapter 15: Death on Utapau). "The first is an irresistible bait... The second is a remote, nearly inaccessible location... Third, since it is a good idea to remain well out of reach when ploting against a Jedi's life - on the far side of the galaxy is considered best - one should have a reliable proxy" (page 281 - 282). "The final element essential to the creation of a truly effective Jedi trap is a certain coldness of mind... from any desire for a particular outcome. The best way to arrange matters is to create a win-win situation." (page 330).
Aaron Well from a cinematic stand point, he used both Obi Wan’s and Anakin’s in the CGI In ROTS. However that mean there are two other sabers he uses in ROTS, but they are merely just common hilt sabers that you’ll later see used by the Jedi who get killed by Palpatine in his Senate chambers. As for the actual sabers he collected I’m sure there’s much more lore into that. It would be a cool video to watch!
Jussi Well in the direction of the film by George, 2 of the hilts used by Grevious on Utapau were actually Anakin and Obi Wan’s. Although for Anakin’s the blade was green not blue.
Star Yes, but I’m saying that Grevious uses Anakin’s episode 3 hilt. Remember this is from a cinematic stand point. So Anakin’s hilt is just another prop used for Grevious and colored green to make it look like a different lightsaber. It was used to save money from having to model and make new lightsaber hilts.
Disney absolutely wouldn't do it, but it would still be amazing for a complete, more maturely themed revisit of the clone wars so that they could reconstruct Grievous' image into what it was supposed to be. As fun as the show was, it basically castrated Grievous into being a mustache twirling goober.
The 03 clone war series is everything I wanted in a star WARs movie. General grievous rarely spoke but was so Badass when he did. Here, he's just robotic caricature of Dracula.
Grievous died at the worst moment of the wars right before order 66 and the rise of the empire, that just sucks because season 7 might be the last time we'll ever see him animated. There would be no point in doing another show focusing on that period again and I believe that new series will be focusing on after 66 and sequel stuff... I wish he got the maul treatment of coming back to life purely because of fan service
@@Arak_Drakoniz and? Just because a character is popular that is no excuse to make them survive an unavoidable death with I dunno anger kept me alive or some dumb stuff like that. Then bring back dooku, vader, heck literally anyone who died just because fans like them.
@@ajace5883 cause being cut in half and falling in the void is very survivable, plus being stuck there without legs to climb up or neither water or food... the fact that he would survive was just absurd
You left out that Grievous existed to foll Dooku as well; Dooku believed he would survive the war and Palpatine would put the blame and punishment of the Separatists on Grievous.
"He controls both the court and the senate; he's too powerful to be left alive!" "UNLIMITED POWER!" that moment when George Lucas was dropping the biggest truth bomb of all time
6:45 Nah, Palpatine was too rational for that. Humanocentrism was just an appeal to the masses. Pretty evident since Palpatine cooperated with Cad Bane, Mas Amedda, Maul and Thrawn. Such petty views would be out of character for a pragmatic and calculating individual like Palpatine. And he's sort of not human either, since he's Force-sensitive.The most powerful being in the galaxy sees everyone as beneath him.
It is well documented that both the Sith Empire and Galactic Empire were highly racist against non humans. However leadership in both understood usefulness outweighed this in a few circumstances. Mas Amedda made sense, he was effectively the second most powerful person in the republic under Chancellor Valorum. As a Zabrak Maul paved the way for the fear of the Sith in the Jedi and terror that Grievous later causes. Cad Bane again was very much about deception, an alien doing the work of the separatists against the Republic. Thrawn was not only a link to an ascendancy that operated in the unknown regions but a tactical genius far superior to anyone else in the Empire. Let's be clear, Palpatine is not a racist or a supporter of Humanocentrism. He is a master of deception, and plays to the "passions and prejudices" of others. Fear & Hatred are key tools of the Sith and getting the humans of the galaxy to fear & hate non humans (and everyone to fear & hate droids) The galaxy becomes a play ground for him to do whatever he wanted and do it without gaining attention from anyone else. On a final note, the Jedi Order was one of the most diverse groups of people in the galaxy with members from most species within their ranks. With the Separatists being almost entirely alien or droid (bar Jango and Dooku [of which one was dead and the other often working from the shadows and being a former Jedi) having this fear and hatred of non humans made it all the more believable come Order 66 and the reports that the Jedi attacked the Chancellor, were behind the war and that Dooku was actually still a Jedi just controlling the Separatists on the Council's behalf. Remember the Sith were reported to be extinct. Very few people came into contact with Sidious or Maul to ever question that. Even in the Clone Wars series, Maul & Savage are mistaken for Jedi gone rogue.
@@xerthetvaoan Are you for fucking real? X'D I even provided a reference point in the video and you are dumbass enough to not notice what I'm talking about??? :D :D :D "But some such as yourself are too dumb to notice" oh the irony that you yourself provided makes this even more hilarious :'D Now I recoomend that you go to 2:43 in the video and you may realize how fucking stupid you just made yourself look :)
and as a side note it was to manipulate Dooku too, Sidious told Dooku that he'd be his right hand in the republic and he'd be able to pit all of the damages and death on Grievous and Dooku was just trying to peacefully leave and the cyborg went too far. Course it was a lie bit it worked on the Count.
I think Tartarkovskys portrayal of Grievous was more impending and the reason for his cough seems way cooler than the reason that he coughs is just bc of the way he was built. The voice used in the 2D Clone Wars should have been used in the 3D Clone Wars in my opinion.
Also, Palpatine couldn’t allow Grevous to get captured, because the Jedi would then find out that Sifo Dyas‘ blood was enhanced in the general, which would jeopardize the whole protocol 66 plot.... you’re welcome
@@A_Moustached_Sock he's kinda reaching but I could see where he is going with the idea. As far as the Jedi knew Sifo Diyas requested the creation of the clone army to protect the republic so I would say finding his blood transfused Into the evil cyborg general designed to destroy the Jedi and the republic would raise some questions. Still seems like a stretch though even if it did happen.
Grievous was my favourite Legends character. His backstory and how it feeds into his current state serving as a source of sympathy but also his justification for his merciless and ruthless tactics, said tactics also serving to show his tactical acumen and success.
Its depressing to remember the writing for star wars was once this good. Maybe one day someone will reboot this franchise and restore its once good name.
Sowel 44 Just leave both CloneWars shows and the pre-Disney movies as well as Rogue One Canon,then perhaps keep elements of Legends(Disney StarWars will be virtually nonexistent in my Ideal StarWars Legends section)
since every few seconds, my own coughing (don't worry, I am winning. Colds just like to one-up their game before they die within me) reminds me of Grievous, I was just glad to find somethig that adds some deeper meaning to him. And a meaning I approve of :)
Grievous played his role to perfection and seemed blissfully unaware Prequels were far, far from perfect but they introduced a lot of intriguing elements that could be better explored in expansions.
Grievous always seemed more than meets the eye, both in the EU and in canon. I can't help but agree with what you've said and it makes perfect sense. All those fails he had in the CW animation series were looking pretty staged. Love your videos, keep it up!
Quite an interesting video. I never truly thought Grievous's role to be that essential to meet certain goals of Sidious but now it's all clear and thoroughly explained. That's why he is my favourite character from the franchise.
Sadly there isn't much info on the 87th other then what we can get from the source of there one and only appearance, Battlefront II. Basically, the 87th is a Clone Corps consisting of 36,864 Troopers specialized in urban warfare and deployed to defend the cities of loyal Republic planets from the threat of CIS invasion, so basically the Coruscant Guard but instead of Coruscant they protect places such as, for an example, Naboo's City of Theed or Eriadu's Capital City. I have a feeling that the 87th was used by Palps to make the galactic populace become more used to having a military presence around them in preparation for the rise of his Empire, but that's just a theory
I think it'd be fairly obvious for the Empire to not only say that the clones killed Greivous along with the Jedi, as the general did die from a blaster shot rather than a lightsaber. And, of course, there were tons of clones already on that planet.
@@fitzgerald297 yeah, i think a few of the heads of state knew about Sidious, Nute Gunray (one of the main financiers of the war) being one of them, but i think it was mainly the few who met on Geonosis just before the start of the Clone Wars that knew about him. Most people in the CIS just thought it was Dooku running things himself.
"The only known person to surpass him in killing Jedi was Darth Vader" *Darth Nihilus, shortly after eating the Jedi conclave at Katarr* : Am I a joke to you? It feels like this channel gets so much wrong when talking about Force users.
Funny the Rebels were the Separatists of the Galactic Civil War BUT they were actually the "good guys" most them anyways. An they actually won... with alot less of everything
Robert Agu well, the CIS were the good guys really, trying to leave a corrupt government, but the Confederacy itself got corrupted by the Sith. It started as a noble cause until the Sith corrupted it.
Grevious reads almost like a tragedy. A warrior born into war, excelled at it in every way, all to save his people from giant bugs essentially. Then he’s twisted into an genocide machine by guys who absolutely hate aliens like him.
I am now even more fascinated by the first Trilogy. The more you find out about it, the more you know and the more of a masterpiece it becomes. In fact, it's almost scary; if one has thought this up, it is not unthinkable something like the Trilogy may one day happen. I mean, we have lightsabres-on-backpacks, Robots, lasers, high tech stuff close to matching Star Wars' Sci Fi...
@@SIVAmemSIVAmemcode I think that various governments have been seizing as much power as they can under the guise of saving lives, and that they will not relinquish all of that power once the crisis passes. Just like after 9/11. Sure, some lives will be saved in the short term by shutting the economy down, but a Great Depression will cost plenty of lives on top of greatly lowering the standard of living worldwide. Is one life worth a million dollars? A billion? A trillion? (I'm not talking out my ass, either. The UN's World Food Programme predicts an extra 130 million people facing starvation in developing countries due to economic issues relating to this, that is, about double the norm).
To summarize, Grievous was the Galactic Bogeyman during the clone wars, and in politics, a bogeyman is always used to hide and support the true threat, in this case, Palpatine.
I knew everything mentioned in this video already since he's by far my favorite character and the one I've done the most research on, but it was nice to see all this information compiled into a video :)
I can’t believe how wrong this video is. God, doesn’t anybody else know that Grievous was just a sick man trying to take care of his space hospital full of survivors of the Singularity Engine?
The 2003 animated miniseries did Grievous so much justice, him being shown as being capable of gaining the "trophies" he had in episode 3, why Mace sent one of the most capable Jedi warriors to kill him and why the Republic feared. Hell, it even explained why he had a cough all throughout episode 3! whereas the clone wars show made him a generic mustache twirling villain who had probably intended to tie Padme to a train track.
Nice vid. My opinion on this topic is that they wanted a "good commander" not a "Jedi killer" because they needed to lengthen the whole entire war. I think there is two aims here. a) Scatter the Jedis throughout the galaxy, making them vulnerable & isolated when the "time should arise". b) Widely spread the clone troopers amongst the Jedis, with highly powered fire arms. I mean, Order 66 scene pretty much explains it all. The Jedis were wiped out because they were caught off unguarded, and just simply out numbered.
The 3D Clone Wars is a mess, ruins the cannon continuity, the Expanded continuity and even its own continuity. But most importantly, it ruined General Grievous, the best Character in the CIS.
Wolf Ancap the 3D CloneWars is pretty good,with its largest mistake being how it portrayed General Grievous,although I did grow up watching CloneWars on Netflix along with the old Transformers TV Show(the one from the 80s,great show btw) so I am definitely biased on this topic
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I always felt that Grievous was a foil for Anakins character. A damaged body placed in a mechanical suit. In episodes 3, when Anakin is face to face with Grievous on his flagship, he is really staring at a reflection of himself.
That is a good thought
Lucas completely meant him as a precursor to what Anakin would become
Vaders Armour was designed for him to eventually, be beaten. And to make sure he didn't you know... turn on his master
True true but Vader was never intended to be damaged.
Corporal44 exactly
he wasn’t actually a jedi killer, he was there to test the escape pods
...or die trying when the ship explodes if it fails... but he was built to fight Clone soldiers and Jedi
"Time to abandon ship"
Fool! He slaughters jedi as if they're nothing
@@xerthetvaoan he got rekt by Ventress Kit Fisto and Koth and arguably Ahsoka
he also almost got rekt by Cody and a few other clone troopers
"Know that l General Grievous am not completely without mercy and will grant you a warriors death"
-2003 General Grievous
Reverse Dipper Pines a series in which everyone seemed to be a god.
A warriors death actually meant a lot in Kaleesh culture. Makes sense for Grievous to say such a thing. Actually the most merciful a Kaleesh would be.
Fucking lame cliche line
@@jacob-cs5fx classic projection.
@@GoldenProductionTE this statement becomes even more powerful when you realise a big reason grievous got rebuilt in legends was he felt he was robbed of a warriors death and he was told the jedi did it.
I swear all the interesting stuff about star wars is outside the actual movies.
Something that fascinates me about Star Wars is that George let the fans go wild with expanding the lore and history/future of the cannon. He told the story he wanted, could tell more even (we all know he had plans for more) but he didn't put down other talent from expanding his work. And in the end, we got Legends. Other writers who respected and honored George's creation but took it steps further into new directions and built up more lore.
As someone who is an aspiring writer, I highly respect this. And all things considered, I would let the same thing happen. Though, unlike George (and in no way do I mean any offense at the man,) I would sooner let the devil possess me than sell my work to someone else. While I get "why" he did it. I honestly feel it was a mistake in the long term of the franchise. At least by keeping it within my influence, I can at least ensure the core of the story remains what it was and is intended to be.
It's always been like that. Real Star Wars comes from the expanded universe. The movies are nothing by comparison.
A movie is at best 2 and a half hours. There's only so much you can show during that time.
@@s1d3k1ckRO yes but that doesn't mean they have to be so...uhh inconsistent? i dont even have a word for it, that's the closest i can think of. Original trilogy is propably the best movies for obvious reasons, but they aged A LOT, Prequels are memed to death, and mentioning anything about Sequels will cause this entire poor excuse of a community to throw shit at eachother and scream like a bunch of primates about Rey being a mary sue and Disney being some company that is ran by devils all beacuse they made 3 terrible movies that rely on nostalgia and nothing else, (jesus christ, see im now turning into one of them lmao)
Meanwhile the coolest shit often happens in tv series, comics and books, while the movies are usually pretty fucking terrible. Like an arc of Clone Wars is usually almost as long as a minimal requirement to be considered a feature film, and they still manage to convey everything WAAAY better than any of the movies did.
@@christopherpoet458 maybe if the fan base wasn't toxic towards the prequels it would be different
Didn't the Revenge of the Sith novelization mention that Dooku was planning to pin the entire Clone Wars on Grievous so that he can get off scott-free after Palps formed the Empire?
That video's coming next, I believe. It's written, at least.
i always wondered what Dooku's grand plan was for he end of the Clone Wars. I mean, with they're industrial capacity the Seperatists shouldn't have a problem drawing the Republic into a long, drawn out war of attrition until the Republic just gave up and let them secede, but what about afterwards? He becomes the leader? The Jedi would probably just assassinate him at some point since he's a Sith and all. It seems pretty obvious that Palpatine would have him assassinated at some point even if the Jedi didn't.
@@arthas640 Basically, Grievous is blamed for forcing Dooku to wage war and Dooku is put under house arrest. After the Empire's rise and growth in a few years, Dooku would've been appointed head of a new Sith Order called the Fist of the Empire (Basically the concept plans for the Inquisitorious)
@@arthas640 The full vid on it's coming in like a day or two, I believe. It's very interesting tho.
Unfortunately for him he would never get a place in the empire
Grevious didn’t care about the war. He didn’t care about the clones, he didn’t even care about the Jedi or the Sith. He only cared about expanding his collection.
and his people
@@tylerjones7592 goddammit
Much like Star Wars toy collectors.
Gotta Catch 'Em All
His collection of lightsabers and memes.
“Run, Jedi run! You have only prolonged the inevitable. [laughs sinisterly]”
2003 Clone Wars Grievous was the best.
He was great, but Matthew Woods voice was better.
So you tryna get with me or?
General Grievous 😂 maybe
Jae Caesar Imma need that comlink DM
General Grievous hey brother
Disney should really make a General Grievous movie. Showing his life from alien to cyborg and showing how he impacted the clone wars.
Yeah but that's way to dark for Disney
Man you have just given me great idea. Star wars documentary about clone wars (propaganda, both sides stories, clone troopers journals and so on)
Disney would ruin it
Disney would so fuck this idea up.
You would get grevious being a woman, whos all powerful and then gets blown up by a white man. So he can oppress her by putting her remains in a body, and to hide its a woman, gave her a male voice. Then exploited her by making her the villian for the galaxy.
But it's Disney...
Ironic how people accepted the empire out of fear of a second Grievous and yet when that individual did rise it was none other then there own Emperor's chief enforcer, Darth Vader
True. But Vader was human and a brutal enforcer of authority rather than a caotic alien enemy rampaging across the galaxy. Even if Vader's kill count was higher you be surprised how many people would have less of a problem with the authority of their own government murdering people then some outside threat murdering just as many, or even fewer.
In the real word there have been some pretty alarming studies done on people who were asked by an authority figure to inflict increasing amounts of pain, even risk killing the subject, on someone else. In other words, most people tend to be like sheep, doing whatever authority tells them to.
Would you rather be in the path of the devil or on his side?
@@archangel6676 Neither.
@@177SCmaro coughAmericacough
@@Sweatersith coughUnitedStatesGOVERNMENTcough
Grievous remains to be my favorite villain from Star Wars. Great design, great backstory and I just loved to see him fight during the war. Hoping we get more of him in Season 7.
Every good villain has a good backstory
Don’t worry you’ll get more of him in Season 7 I promise
flash flood99 im not so sure, i don’t expect him in ahsokas underworld arc.. nor the bad batch and definitely not siege of mandalore. The most likely chance though is seeing him in the bad batch arc but i doubt for long
World War Wells If the Crystal Crisis arc gets finished and released, we’ll see plenty more of him.
Gojirawars 03 it probably won't
I miss the Grievous from the 2003 Clone wars
he was a warrior that should truely be feared! not the clone wars version where he gets outsmarted asap when he gets screen time.
We all do.
Cold, fast, and with just enough ego to terrorize jedi knights. Such an amazing character.
Yeah but what i dont miss about him was his voice
Best Grievous ever
"Grevious was a trap"
that is disturbing on many levels...
best trap
Admiral Ackbar screaming intensifies...
I’m done with life 😂
Wait a fucking minute.
Hold it right there
General grievous: *kills 200 jedi*
Also general grievous: *cant kill a Scottish dude and a dude who hates sand*
Oh, the power of *PLOT ARMOR*!
ahhhh general kenobi
THEY CAN TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM
Traveler true but obi wan and anakin are the most skilled from the bunch
Hello there
The test subject for Vaders armor, truly just a pawn sad.
Josh David not exactly, Vader was never intended to have life supporting armor or cybernetic implants by Sideous.
But his legacy was nevel forgotten. All shall fear the might of Grievous even after his death
@@jimmygee3219 Agreed Jim, mainly foreshadowing. Vader would become like Grievous later on through his cybernetics.
Comparing the two grievous's armor makes him more durable, faster and stronger than vader's armor.
Only difference is that grievous wasn't sensitive
Well, if you consider this, Grevious was a product of Sideous just in a similar way Darth Vader was.
“Like our friends over at Generation Tech, Sidious was humanocentric.”
It’s true, Alan hates aliens.
Since he is American, to him everyone is am alien
@@xanderanderson6673 Now I hate you.
Generations fims and generation tech are so goddam Alienphobic it scares me.
@@alejandrochalco6893 "Humanity first"
@@starscraper1336 That is still Xenophobic
This reveals a ton about the motives.
It makes so much sense...
Grevious was a terrifying general. A brain child from Sidious to divide the galaxy to make it ripe for Empiral take over. In 3 years he was the face of the Separists, destroyed entire worlds, slaughtered billions. His legacy would shape the Empire and it’s doctrines.
So much galactic-wide trauma turned the galaxy into a police state for decades.
Super Smash Revan yeah. So many were with anti droid armies. And anti droid doctrines
@@obitwokenobi9808 That makes so much sense.
Damn...
Grievous was so frightening that he had to be toned down in the movies or they would be unwatchable. Just thinking about living in the same galaxy as him is unimaginable.
I like how Grevious' death is described as part of "the textbook example of a Jedi trap" in the Revenge of the Sith novel (Chapter 15: Death on Utapau).
"The first is an irresistible bait... The second is a remote, nearly inaccessible location... Third, since it is a good idea to remain well out of reach when ploting against a Jedi's life - on the far side of the galaxy is considered best - one should have a reliable proxy" (page 281 - 282).
"The final element essential to the creation of a truly effective Jedi trap is a certain coldness of mind... from any desire for a particular outcome. The best way to arrange matters is to create a win-win situation." (page 330).
Its a trap!
It's things like that that really shoes the beauty of the ROTS novelization.
Sounds like something HK would cook up, only HK would win.
And Obi-Wan still got out of there alive, and set Luke on the path to become a Jedi...
I sometimes call it "the Good Guy/Paragon trap", since it works so well against non-Star Wars hero figures I. General.
Hey can you do a video on Greivous's lightsabers? Like whos sabers does he use to fight with....
Aaron Well from a cinematic stand point, he used both Obi Wan’s and Anakin’s in the CGI In ROTS. However that mean there are two other sabers he uses in ROTS, but they are merely just common hilt sabers that you’ll later see used by the Jedi who get killed by Palpatine in his Senate chambers. As for the actual sabers he collected I’m sure there’s much more lore into that. It would be a cool video to watch!
@@VaGTaSter69 are you kidding me? They took back their sabers before Grievous used them
Jussi Well in the direction of the film by George, 2 of the hilts used by Grevious on Utapau were actually Anakin and Obi Wan’s. Although for Anakin’s the blade was green not blue.
@@VaGTaSter69 Didn't Dooku slice the green saber Anakin used near the end of 2 though?
Star Yes, but I’m saying that Grevious uses Anakin’s episode 3 hilt. Remember this is from a cinematic stand point. So Anakin’s hilt is just another prop used for Grevious and colored green to make it look like a different lightsaber. It was used to save money from having to model and make new lightsaber hilts.
Holy shit completely forgot that zoom in loading screen from the original battlefront game. Man thats some choice nostalgia right there.
It hit right in the feels
I will always be bitter of how dirty Grievous was done by Dave Filoni
And the Mandalorians.
Filoni definitely didn't like grievous
George Lucas, actually. He's the one who wanted Grevious to be a mustache-twirling saturday night villain.
@@DarksaberForce And George ***coughcough*** Lucas.
Disney absolutely wouldn't do it, but it would still be amazing for a complete, more maturely themed revisit of the clone wars so that they could reconstruct Grievous' image into what it was supposed to be. As fun as the show was, it basically castrated Grievous into being a mustache twirling goober.
The 03 clone war series is everything I wanted in a star WARs movie. General grievous rarely spoke but was so Badass when he did. Here, he's just robotic caricature of Dracula.
Legends: “Grievous’ losses in the war were few in number”
Canon Grievous: _Hold my collection_
Grievous died at the worst moment of the wars right before order 66 and the rise of the empire, that just sucks because season 7 might be the last time we'll ever see him animated.
There would be no point in doing another show focusing on that period again and I believe that new series will be focusing on after 66 and sequel stuff...
I wish he got the maul treatment of coming back to life purely because of fan service
mais en aillant un traitement honorable et pas le rabaisser comme ils l'ont fait dans la nouvelle serie the clone wars de 2008
Grievous was nowhere near being as popular amongst fans as Maul was.
@@Arak_Drakoniz and? Just because a character is popular that is no excuse to make them survive an unavoidable death with I dunno anger kept me alive or some dumb stuff like that.
Then bring back dooku, vader, heck literally anyone who died just because fans like them.
Maul's death was not nearly as obvious as Grievous' was. Burning to death and exploding really leaves no chance for revival.
@@ajace5883 cause being cut in half and falling in the void is very survivable, plus being stuck there without legs to climb up or neither water or food... the fact that he would survive was just absurd
You left out that Grievous existed to foll Dooku as well; Dooku believed he would survive the war and Palpatine would put the blame and punishment of the Separatists on Grievous.
"He controls both the court and the senate; he's too powerful to be left alive!"
"UNLIMITED POWER!"
that moment when George Lucas was dropping the biggest truth bomb of all time
6:45 Nah, Palpatine was too rational for that. Humanocentrism was just an appeal to the masses. Pretty evident since Palpatine cooperated with Cad Bane, Mas Amedda, Maul and Thrawn.
Such petty views would be out of character for a pragmatic and calculating individual like Palpatine. And he's sort of not human either, since he's Force-sensitive.The most powerful being in the galaxy sees everyone as beneath him.
Don't forget Thrawn
@@jcerrano98 and the inquisitors
It is well documented that both the Sith Empire and Galactic Empire were highly racist against non humans. However leadership in both understood usefulness outweighed this in a few circumstances. Mas Amedda made sense, he was effectively the second most powerful person in the republic under Chancellor Valorum. As a Zabrak Maul paved the way for the fear of the Sith in the Jedi and terror that Grievous later causes. Cad Bane again was very much about deception, an alien doing the work of the separatists against the Republic. Thrawn was not only a link to an ascendancy that operated in the unknown regions but a tactical genius far superior to anyone else in the Empire.
Let's be clear, Palpatine is not a racist or a supporter of Humanocentrism. He is a master of deception, and plays to the "passions and prejudices" of others. Fear & Hatred are key tools of the Sith and getting the humans of the galaxy to fear & hate non humans (and everyone to fear & hate droids) The galaxy becomes a play ground for him to do whatever he wanted and do it without gaining attention from anyone else.
On a final note, the Jedi Order was one of the most diverse groups of people in the galaxy with members from most species within their ranks. With the Separatists being almost entirely alien or droid (bar Jango and Dooku [of which one was dead and the other often working from the shadows and being a former Jedi) having this fear and hatred of non humans made it all the more believable come Order 66 and the reports that the Jedi attacked the Chancellor, were behind the war and that Dooku was actually still a Jedi just controlling the Separatists on the Council's behalf. Remember the Sith were reported to be extinct. Very few people came into contact with Sidious or Maul to ever question that. Even in the Clone Wars series, Maul & Savage are mistaken for Jedi gone rogue.
Why does generation tech hate non humans?
@Supadupa Swaggascoopa ok
I wasnt aware that Grievous was so SKILLLED commander that it required an exrta "L" to tell how good he really was at the job :P (2:43)
Grievous was a brilliant commander. He's just overconfident. But some such as yourself are too dumb to notice
@@xerthetvaoan Are you for fucking real? X'D
I even provided a reference point in the video and you are dumbass enough to not notice what I'm talking about??? :D :D :D
"But some such as yourself are too dumb to notice" oh the irony that you yourself provided makes this even more hilarious :'D
Now I recoomend that you go to 2:43 in the video and you may realize how fucking stupid you just made yourself look :)
lol, nice one
and as a side note it was to manipulate Dooku too, Sidious told Dooku that he'd be his right hand in the republic and he'd be able to pit all of the damages and death on Grievous and Dooku was just trying to peacefully leave and the cyborg went too far. Course it was a lie bit it worked on the Count.
I think Tartarkovskys portrayal of Grievous was more impending and the reason for his cough seems way cooler than the reason that he coughs is just bc of the way he was built. The voice used in the 2D Clone Wars should have been used in the 3D Clone Wars in my opinion.
Also, Palpatine couldn’t allow Grevous to get captured, because the Jedi would then find out that Sifo Dyas‘ blood was enhanced in the general, which would jeopardize the whole protocol 66 plot....
you’re welcome
Wait... what?
@@carlbrittain1993 sifo diyas was a jedi that count dooku killed. They put his blood in grievous in hopes to make him force sensative
Just out of curiosity how would that have jeapordized order 66? Maybe Im missing something
@@A_Moustached_Sock he's kinda reaching but I could see where he is going with the idea. As far as the Jedi knew Sifo Diyas requested the creation of the clone army to protect the republic so I would say finding his blood transfused Into the evil cyborg general designed to destroy the Jedi and the republic would raise some questions. Still seems like a stretch though even if it did happen.
@@ix8750 True. Also I just dont see the Jedi connecting the dots that easily. They were really oblivious in the Clone Wars
Grievous was my favourite Legends character.
His backstory and how it feeds into his current state serving as a source of sympathy but also his justification for his merciless and ruthless tactics, said tactics also serving to show his tactical acumen and success.
Kenobi when he kills grievous: “so uncivilized”
Grievous: *laughs in afterlife*
This mans really just said “he bombed worlds mercy-esly” instead of mercilessly
I dont remember a single clone being afraid of grievous I remember clones being happy and over joyed to fight him
Hits Generation Tech without anyone questioning it..
+3 rep
I hate the way Generation Tech is mumbling, no matter how intresting the video is. If its made by Generation Tech, i head out.🤢
In my opinion: I think Palpatine has the record of killing the most Jedi with Order 66 using the weapon of Clone Troopers.
Vader
Kill in person or it doesn’t count
image of gen grev. at 1:25ish makes him look lots more scary, like phase 4 ultron, there is hints, and lines suggesting he did know about sidious
Its depressing to remember the writing for star wars was once this good.
Maybe one day someone will reboot this franchise and restore its once good name.
Prequels had the best story
They are season 7
Sowel 44 Just leave both CloneWars shows and the pre-Disney movies as well as Rogue One Canon,then perhaps keep elements of Legends(Disney StarWars will be virtually nonexistent in my Ideal StarWars Legends section)
SIVA mem. 2770 SIVA mem. code 23 solo should be canon too it’s amazing as well as the bloody sequels
0:29 that brings me fucking back to when I was 6-7 playing Star Wars battlefront on the original Xbox, good times :)
I always thought he was the latest tech in coffee machines.....
DO YOU WANT SOME FRESH COFFEE? cough...cough.....
since every few seconds, my own coughing (don't worry, I am winning. Colds just like to one-up their game before they die within me) reminds me of Grievous, I was just glad to find somethig that adds some deeper meaning to him. And a meaning I approve of :)
Me: (@ 1:00 am from where I'm from)
Geetsly's: GEN-eral...
Me: *mildly awoken*
Grievous played his role to perfection and seemed blissfully unaware
Prequels were far, far from perfect but they introduced a lot of intriguing elements that could be better explored in expansions.
Grievous is my favorite character too
Honestly. I usually i press the like button simply because of the intro of the Battlefront galaxy zoom in thing. Brings back some memories
Grievous is my favorite character but it's sad to see him die then get a small backstory which isn't that greatly expanded on
6:41 damn our boy Alan got flamed 😭😂
Grievous always seemed more than meets the eye, both in the EU and in canon. I can't help but agree with what you've said and it makes perfect sense. All those fails he had in the CW animation series were looking pretty staged.
Love your videos, keep it up!
The Sith corruption sabotaging concepts like democracy is wayy too real irl, too 😬
Excellent video!
You failed to realise that the real role Grevious played in the great plan was to raise awareness for lung cancer.
Quite an interesting video. I never truly thought Grievous's role to be that essential to meet certain goals of Sidious but now it's all clear and thoroughly explained. That's why he is my favourite character from the franchise.
Hello there.
General Kenobi! You are a *BOLD* one!
Hallo wie gehts denn so?
General Kenobi! *Ihr seid ein Narr*
Grievous at 1:21 looking like he’s got big Protoss energy
Can you do a video on 442nd siege battlion 87th sentinal Corp and 7th petion I think it would be cool since there rather unknown clone units
I believe we also need a video on those divisions
“Hi, that’s me!”
Sadly there isn't much info on the 87th other then what we can get from the source of there one and only appearance, Battlefront II. Basically, the 87th is a Clone Corps consisting of 36,864 Troopers specialized in urban warfare and deployed to defend the cities of loyal Republic planets from the threat of CIS invasion, so basically the Coruscant Guard but instead of Coruscant they protect places such as, for an example, Naboo's City of Theed or Eriadu's Capital City. I have a feeling that the 87th was used by Palps to make the galactic populace become more used to having a military presence around them in preparation for the rise of his Empire, but that's just a theory
General Greivous is the most powerful non force user in all of star wars. One of the reasons he is my favorite.
Bane makes the Rule of Two:
Darth sidious: meet darth maul darth tyrannous and ventress
I also want you to meet my adopted child Mara Jade...
Ventress was a dark Jedi
@@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195 and Tyrannus came after maul was "killed"
@@arbiterplageuis7182 Not to mention Jar Jar!
@@colokurt1 ? Wut?
0:28 Star Wars Battle Front 2 ps2 I can never forget those beeps
I've always pointed my finger where the box was going to hit
0:07 - 0:13
The Clone Wars General Grievous: *observe*
You are the reason I fw Star Wars now✊🏾
My favorite part was how he killed the witch lady when he was sent to kill the night sisters
The fucking intro brought back... let’s say a few memories
holy SHIT that intro gave me an overdose of nostalgia.
"The Kaleesh are not known for their mercy" great video man :-)
So who killed Grievous?
Surely General Kenobi couldn't have; because he's a jedi, and jedi are evil.
I think it'd be fairly obvious for the Empire to not only say that the clones killed Greivous along with the Jedi, as the general did die from a blaster shot rather than a lightsaber. And, of course, there were tons of clones already on that planet.
"THEN YOU'RE LOST"
-courtesy of Ole' Ben
You know I'm new to you're channel so I have to say that intro was sick af!
What did the CIS know about Sidious and what is his rank within the CIS?
Apexia I think only a few within the CIS knew about Sidious, aka Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist council.
@@jasonravenscroft3333
Those few new of Sidious but only Dooku knew Sidious was Palpatine.
Nute Gunray knew
@@fitzgerald297 yeah, i think a few of the heads of state knew about Sidious, Nute Gunray (one of the main financiers of the war) being one of them, but i think it was mainly the few who met on Geonosis just before the start of the Clone Wars that knew about him. Most people in the CIS just thought it was Dooku running things himself.
Grievous is my favorite character in Star Wars and I wish they would make a movie dedicated to his backstory and some about his incredible battles
Can you make a video about what would happen if Grievous survived his encounter with obi wan, like what would the chancellor do with him?
Most likely send him to mustafar and get anakin to kill him
You mean : what would the Senate do with him ?
Having never seen your intro before, I just shed a tear of nostalgia
2003 clone wars>2008 clone wars. Have 2008's voice, with 2003 animation, and we have a real General Grievous.
DEATH IS LIFE the 2003 voice acting wasn’t terrible though.
After all when grevious wasn’t cybernetic he was a badass warrior
"The only known person to surpass him in killing Jedi was Darth Vader"
*Darth Nihilus, shortly after eating the Jedi conclave at Katarr* : Am I a joke to you?
It feels like this channel gets so much wrong when talking about Force users.
Pretty sure he was going off canon
Thank you so much for grievous content. One of my all time favorite characters, and character models, deff deserves some fleshed out canon.
God i love this genius, murderous and unkillable semi-robot psychopath
*Grevious checks his space FB page*
"Skynet has sent you a friend request"
Unkillable......have you seen ROTS ?
He is the prime example of the failures of the Jedi, They sided with politics and with slavers instead of the enslaved that were revolting.
Comics, shows, and books: The most feared, smartest, and ruthless person
Revenge of the Sith: I’m gonna end this man’s career
my GOD. first time here on this channel. and that intro. ahhhh the feels
Funny the Rebels were the Separatists of the Galactic Civil War BUT they were actually the "good guys" most them anyways. An they actually won... with alot less of everything
Robert Agu well, the CIS were the good guys really, trying to leave a corrupt government, but the Confederacy itself got corrupted by the Sith. It started as a noble cause until the Sith corrupted it.
Grevious reads almost like a tragedy. A warrior born into war, excelled at it in every way, all to save his people from giant bugs essentially. Then he’s twisted into an genocide machine by guys who absolutely hate aliens like him.
6:12 .... That image is my desktopc :/
I am now even more fascinated by the first Trilogy. The more you find out about it, the more you know and the more of a masterpiece it becomes. In fact, it's almost scary; if one has thought this up, it is not unthinkable something like the Trilogy may one day happen.
I mean, we have lightsabres-on-backpacks, Robots, lasers, high tech stuff close to matching Star Wars' Sci Fi...
People who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserves neither.
@Confederate Fleet It's a famous Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty.
What do you think of the CoronaVirus Pandemic rightnow? Although we are fighting a Virus,not an inter-galactic War
@@SIVAmemSIVAmemcode I think that various governments have been seizing as much power as they can under the guise of saving lives, and that they will not relinquish all of that power once the crisis passes. Just like after 9/11. Sure, some lives will be saved in the short term by shutting the economy down, but a Great Depression will cost plenty of lives on top of greatly lowering the standard of living worldwide. Is one life worth a million dollars? A billion? A trillion?
(I'm not talking out my ass, either. The UN's World Food Programme predicts an extra 130 million people facing starvation in developing countries due to economic issues relating to this, that is, about double the norm).
7:30 GENERAL GRIEVOUS FUSED/MERGED WITH ULTRON?! WE'RE SO DEFINITELY FUCKED!!
4:25 Quality image, there.
Basically, Grevious was a walking, talking Geneva Conventions violation
So from the Balkans then?
So, Sidious is Bush? Greavous is 9/11?
How many Jedi did Darth Vader kill
Over 200 or 300 I believe
To summarize, Grievous was the Galactic Bogeyman during the clone wars, and in politics, a bogeyman is always used to hide and support the true threat, in this case, Palpatine.
I wonder how suck a legendary warrior died?
By a blaster really?
I knew everything mentioned in this video already since he's by far my favorite character and the one I've done the most research on, but it was nice to see all this information compiled into a video :)
I can’t believe how wrong this video is. God, doesn’t anybody else know that Grievous was just a sick man trying to take care of his space hospital full of survivors of the Singularity Engine?
[ODIN] Phantom I’ve been looking through the comments for this. You deserve flesh
Senator Sheev what
First video of yours I've seen in a while. Amazingly interesting and one hell of a nostalgic intro. Top stuff!
Love that joke about Generation Tech being Xenophobic.
not really a joke, it's true.
The 2003 animated miniseries did Grievous so much justice, him being shown as being capable of gaining the "trophies" he had in episode 3, why Mace sent one of the most capable Jedi warriors to kill him and why the Republic feared. Hell, it even explained why he had a cough all throughout episode 3! whereas the clone wars show made him a generic mustache twirling villain who had probably intended to tie Padme to a train track.
I thought he was made as a cappuccino machine or his whole purpose was to say "General Kenobi."
Nice vid.
My opinion on this topic is that they wanted a "good commander" not a "Jedi killer" because they needed to lengthen the whole entire war.
I think there is two aims here.
a) Scatter the Jedis throughout the galaxy, making them vulnerable & isolated when the "time should arise".
b) Widely spread the clone troopers amongst the Jedis, with highly powered fire arms.
I mean, Order 66 scene pretty much explains it all.
The Jedis were wiped out because they were caught off unguarded, and just simply out numbered.
The 3D Clone Wars is a mess, ruins the cannon continuity, the Expanded continuity and even its own continuity.
But most importantly, it ruined General Grievous, the best Character in the CIS.
Wolf Ancap the 3D CloneWars is pretty good,with its largest mistake being how it portrayed General Grievous,although I did grow up watching CloneWars on Netflix along with the old Transformers TV Show(the one from the 80s,great show btw) so I am definitely biased on this topic