Our Buddhic plane of spirituality is so much finer and far above our lower mind of existence in which we live our everyday lives, including those irredeemable music critics who constantly disparage the Maestro Pogorelich. Hence when a great artist through his good karma and advanced evolution appears on the world scene as a classical artist and pianist, is given the karmic opportunities to bring down into his musical interpretations in performances where the public or listener can hear these magnificent sounds, harmonies, tempi, the artist is accepting the musical interpretations from his Buddhic Plane mind because they are truth and musical reality at that point in time.
Extraordinary playing of this concerto!!! I could listen this many times. He is playing art. As those young pianists(e.g. in chopin competition)are just playing piano, just don't want listen it second time.
Sometimes, nearly rough, not at all softly, "un écorché vif"au minimum: des accords dans le premier mouvement et dans le dernier mouvement qui claquent parfois très durement!
Well I think it’s beautiful, except for a couple async with orchestra. While commenting it’s weird, eccentric… he’s been doing these accents on Chopin since 80’s competition in case you forgot, it’s just the way he does it
Thing is, okay, if Yundi Li had played like this in his year's Chopin competition, no one would have given him the time of day. What pissed me off is this boy genius myth surrounding Pogorelich was rooted in his privileged cultural background. I'm sorry, I respect his interpretation, but I wish he had had the technique to have nailed it perfectly. This sounds like he had the idea, but the execution was lacking.
He ascended to a higher sphere of musical understanding than the fools who follow the fashion of _falsely_ criticizing him. See my comment in reply to the thread started by what is presently _"rigel48"_ . In particular 16:05 - 18:12 is an absolute revelation !
@@misschocoholic82 Not to anyone with some understanding of music. Pogorelich certainly has been in a difficult position, not only since the death of his wife, but also because he is alone in his radical ideas which the average Joe can't follow. But anyone with some understanding of music necessarily recognizes the utter genius of this interpretation, whether he likes it or not, see the mentioned example. Compare that passage with that of one of my absolute goddesses of music, Martha Argerich. Her interpretation will be very acceptable to most, sounds like any other pianist, but puts me to sleep. But this volcano here is possible in this way _only_ for Pogorelich.
@@TheSoteriologist i love Pogorelich and I also think incredibly talented, genius is too big of a word but he is certanly incredibly talented. I love his Scarlatti very much. However He simply plays very strange and eccentric here so I do hear a wierd sort of state of mind.
@@misschocoholic82 "Eccentric" is right on, just means away from the statistical mean and is a good thing if you want to hear something different from the same old same old. No, it does take a kind of genius to "un-hear" decades and decades of traditional interpretation to hear something entirely new in that music which could very well actually have been intended. The talent is then only needed to actually play it the way he hears it. Someone had originally played it that traditional way _(you know that "Liberace" style jet set champagne party nonsense)_ and the majority followed. Who knows if the real Chopin has even been discovered yet. It's a little like with Gould and Bach. See, the result is that most Chopin interrpetations put me to sleep while this here has me being ecstatic. I can't tell you how often I have repeated that passage. Whatever that "state of mind" is, I adore it ! Try it in direct comparison with other great pianists a few times. Your opinion might actually change.
What a strange interpretation. Nothing flows easily, it is only a knock on each measure as if it was necessary to fight a path through a work full of obstacles.
Utterly fascinating. Late 80's/early 90's Pogo is one of my all-time favourite pianists, but the turn he has taken... This interpretation is inexplicable, I really can't place it. This is eccentrism bordering on insanity, so full of weird accents, tempo changes, dynamics.. the whole lot just seems so decoherent.
@@enzogrella1 I think that is exactly right. The artistic intention becomes particularly obvious in places such as 16:05 - 18:12, turning Chopin into a rhythmic experience extraordinaire, quite convincing, in fact. There is a japanese "documentary" on here called "Pogorelich in Nara" in which he comments on the common misunderstanding of Chopin. This hypersensitive, elegant champagne Chopin is quite frankly in need of revision, and that is exactly what he does here.
Pogorelich non è più lo stesso e mi lascia perplesso: valori delle note a piacimento, scelte di suono errate, brutto proprio da sentire...sembra di sentire un dilettante. Boh !
You mean because, lacking plausible arguments, you cannot tolerate that he _still_ presenting a better version than any other pianist after having dissed him so often ? Maybe you could accuse this interpretation of antisemitism or call it a conspiracy theory, that might work better :D
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Our Buddhic plane of spirituality is so much finer and far above our lower mind of existence in which we live our everyday lives, including those irredeemable music critics who constantly disparage the Maestro Pogorelich.
Hence when a great artist through his good karma and advanced evolution appears on the world scene as a classical artist and pianist, is given the karmic opportunities to bring down into his musical interpretations in performances where the public or listener can hear these magnificent sounds, harmonies, tempi, the artist is accepting the musical interpretations from his Buddhic Plane mind because they are truth and musical reality at that point in time.
I have no words
majestic, fancy, magical, irresistible
Very happy to have heard this recording, thank you.
So happy to hear him!
angemessener Applaus für einen Weltklasse Pianisten !!!!
Thank you so much !
Marvellous Chopin piano concerto and so Maestro Pogorelich's virtuoso playing,
Beautiful live, thank you Gazda Mitke II, and maestro Pogorelić.
Speriamo che il ritorno di questo grande pianista ispiri molti giovani che al momento sembrano seguire ben altri criteri estetici
absolutely amazing 2 and 3 part
Extraordinary playing of this concerto!!! I could listen this many times. He is playing art. As those young pianists(e.g. in chopin competition)are just playing piano, just don't want listen it second time.
Then listen to great old recordings
what a wonderful!!
Как расставлены все акценты! И
Какая артикуляция! Браво, Маэстро Ивушка! ❤️
i felt a pulse im usually used to hear in mozart's concerti. Loved it!
Bravissimo !!!!!
I dont know how the orchestra can follow him... its mission impossible!
It can't...
it's called modern jazz :)
A masterclass for the orchestra and definitely an eye opener. Isn't this how genius and true artists should be?
music starts at 1:55
genius
Sometimes, nearly rough, not at all softly, "un écorché vif"au minimum: des accords dans le premier mouvement et dans le dernier mouvement qui claquent parfois très durement!
super! qui dirige l'orchestre?
Zoltan Kocsis is not conductor. It's Dmitri Kitaenko with Zagreb Philharmonic Orchestra.
Well I think it’s beautiful, except for a couple async with orchestra. While commenting it’s weird, eccentric… he’s been doing these accents on Chopin since 80’s competition in case you forgot, it’s just the way he does it
6:16
Für playing like this you must be genius ...
50 minutes for a concerto that lasts approximatively 40 minutes???
Atmospherics. No problem whatsoever!
Im sure he can play it in 20 minutes but he is a true artist who play everything differently
How otherwise to bring out the absolute revelation that is his take on 16:05 - 18:12, for instance ?
I feel sorry for the timpanist :(
Thing is, okay, if Yundi Li had played like this in his year's Chopin competition, no one would have given him the time of day. What pissed me off is this boy genius myth surrounding Pogorelich was rooted in his privileged cultural background. I'm sorry, I respect his interpretation, but I wish he had had the technique to have nailed it perfectly. This sounds like he had the idea, but the execution was lacking.
OMG, so weird, some times inspiring tho.
See my comment in reply to the thread started by what is presently _"rigel48"_ . In particular 16:05 - 18:12 is an absolute revelation !
@@TheSoteriologist 17:10 is just marvelous ❤
@@achoul6825 ❤
OMG what happened to him?
He ascended to a higher sphere of musical understanding than the fools who follow the fashion of _falsely_ criticizing him. See my comment in reply to the thread started by what is presently _"rigel48"_ . In particular 16:05 - 18:12 is an absolute revelation !
@@TheSoteriologist bla bla bla. Its all a matter of taste.
@@misschocoholic82 Not to anyone with some understanding of music. Pogorelich certainly has been in a difficult position, not only since the death of his wife, but also because he is alone in his radical ideas which the average Joe can't follow. But anyone with some understanding of music necessarily recognizes the utter genius of this interpretation, whether he likes it or not, see the mentioned example. Compare that passage with that of one of my absolute goddesses of music, Martha Argerich. Her interpretation will be very acceptable to most, sounds like any other pianist, but puts me to sleep. But this volcano here is possible in this way _only_ for Pogorelich.
@@TheSoteriologist i love Pogorelich and I also think incredibly talented, genius is too big of a word but he is certanly incredibly talented. I love his Scarlatti very much. However He simply plays very strange and eccentric here so I do hear a wierd sort of state of mind.
@@misschocoholic82 "Eccentric" is right on, just means away from the statistical mean and is a good thing if you want to hear something different from the same old same old. No, it does take a kind of genius to "un-hear" decades and decades of traditional interpretation to hear something entirely new in that music which could very well actually have been intended. The talent is then only needed to actually play it the way he hears it. Someone had originally played it that traditional way _(you know that "Liberace" style jet set champagne party nonsense)_ and the majority followed. Who knows if the real Chopin has even been discovered yet. It's a little like with Gould and Bach.
See, the result is that most Chopin interrpetations put me to sleep while this here has me being ecstatic. I can't tell you how often I have repeated that passage. Whatever that "state of mind" is, I adore it !
Try it in direct comparison with other great pianists a few times. Your opinion might actually change.
What a strange interpretation. Nothing flows easily, it is only a knock on each measure as if it was necessary to fight a path through a work full of obstacles.
Utterly fascinating. Late 80's/early 90's Pogo is one of my all-time favourite pianists, but the turn he has taken... This interpretation is inexplicable, I really can't place it. This is eccentrism bordering on insanity, so full of weird accents, tempo changes, dynamics.. the whole lot just seems so decoherent.
@@florisende8015 he has lost it i think.
All These accents are part of one long phrase: from the beginning to the end .
@@enzogrella1 I think that is exactly right. The artistic intention becomes particularly obvious in places such as 16:05 - 18:12, turning Chopin into a rhythmic experience extraordinaire, quite convincing, in fact. There is a japanese "documentary" on here called "Pogorelich in Nara" in which he comments on the common misunderstanding of Chopin. This hypersensitive, elegant champagne Chopin is quite frankly in need of revision, and that is exactly what he does here.
@@TheSoteriologist the only thing I really know of Chopin that he hated ugly forte. there is a lot of that :)
Pogorelich non è più lo stesso e mi lascia perplesso: valori delle note a piacimento, scelte di suono errate, brutto proprio da sentire...sembra di sentire un dilettante. Boh !
Wuolter questo Chopin 1 non mi e' piaciuto per niente. Hai ragione. Mi sembra uno Chopin 1 veramente strano...
Fools. See my comment in reply to the thread started by what is presently _"rigel48"_ . In particular 16:05 - 18:12 is an absolute revelation !
So fake, so pretentious ....
You mean because, lacking plausible arguments, you cannot tolerate that he _still_ presenting a better version than any other pianist after having dissed him so often ? Maybe you could accuse this interpretation of antisemitism or call it a conspiracy theory, that might work better :D
@@TheSoteriologistI don't think his interpretation is better, it's just different. And the author is dead, so who's to say what Chopin had in mind?