18.06.2023 Ivo Pogorelich Chopin Recital Live recording, National Centre for the Performing Arts, Beijing, China (国家大剧院) F. Chopin Piano Sonata No.3 in B minor, Op.58 肖邦：B小调第三号钢琴奏鸣曲、Op.58 Photo by @ChinaNCPA
@@TheSoteriologist I have heard Pogo's playing of other Chopin pieces during this recital and would not be surprised if he is on some mood stabilizng medication. Considering the sufferings that he he has had to live with I take this (assumed) fact into account. I'm just glad that he is still able to make a living as a concert piannist.
@@excelsior999 As regards his 2022 Chopin album release, for instance, I am a total fan of it, in fact only a genius could have played some of it this way. It's on IP topic here.
@@TheSoteriologist I listened to some of his performances in this album. I find them lugubrious. For us who are fortunate not to find sadness in music, not even in the 2nd Sonata's funeral march, the music of Chopin is a source of joy. So should be the Larghetto in the 2nd piano Concerto, but Ivo plays it with a very negative mannerism.
@@Ernesto7608 I don't find that to be true. I also think that it is this champagne-Chopin concept that IP was playing against, since _there indeed is_ a darker side not only to Chopin, but to his music. If IP can find his interpretation in the literature, perhaps it is a hidden, true-er Chopin that upper class party goers just didn't want to hear. And I love it ! In fact, since hearing IP's take on Chopin, there aren't many Chopin interpretations that even keep my attention anymore, not even Argerich. And please drop the this kind of use of the word "negative", it is a bit obtuse and doesn't quite gel with words such as "lugubrious". Would you really want to be hiv positive ? All the best !
❤❤this sonata is a "living entity" on the Buddhic plane sphere of our planetary scheme, known as the Cosmic Physical Plane. This composition, being a living entity, separate from Chopins creation on paper, or the myriads of pianists varied interpretations over a 100 year history, or even what we consider IPs interpretation of the Sonata at any given point in his career, has a MUSICAL LIFE OF ITS OWN. This musical entity on its own Buddhic Plane, inspires a performing artist to perceive its own spirit as it chooses. Only a rare few pianists can grasp, capture and hear this Musical Entity called the Chopin Sonata #3 actually as it is on the zBuddhic Plane. Rarely, if ever, can humans recognize this musical entity and allow this entity to speak its musical thoughts via the artistry of a very gifted performer. ❤❤❤❤
Less eccentric than his other performances of recent vintage (i.e. the past 25 years or so!). It basically falls within the realm of "normal" interpretive choices, though with quite a bit of freedom. The long, drawn-out phrasing isn't unsuited to the lyricism of the piece. Also, not "texturally tortured", as his performances can be when he is at his most eccentric. FYI, it's a big, "circle in the round"-type stage, and a very reverberant hall, of a dimension more suitable to orchestral concerts, so that explains much of the acoustical quality of the recording. I've recorded concerts on my phone in this hall too, and have heard Pogorelich play there before - though I can't remember if I recorded the Pogorelich concert I heard there or not. ;-)
what i hear here ,and in Pogorelich interpretations in general, is a pianist with an overwhelming Ego and a focus on artificially new musical ideas which he wants to be declared as the one of a Genius .I doubt that very much and i prefer modest interpretaions of anybody to enjoy Chopin's music...As the great teacher Heinrich Neuhaus said about the three most necessary qualities of a great artist: modesty, modesty and modesty...cant find this here...
If I had attended this performance, I would have asked for my money back. Chopin's music lends itself to healthy emotions. I had always found Ivo's playing intelligently odd. But I would not equate oddity with "genius". His latest playing is like an invitation to suicide.
Obviously you are not familiar with the amount of personal tragedy that Ivo has suffered in his life. If you were, hopefully you would not have been so cavalier in your comment. A lesser man would have taken ""The Easy Way Out" - Out the Window of a tall building. Of course I would have no way of knowing, but if Pogo needs to take some mood stabilizing medicaions at times, most compassinate people wound understand,, and not accuse him of being "on drugs."
@@excelsior999 There is little excuse for this performance. This is a Sonata, not a Funeral March! Was he forced to play it??? Imagine if Dinu Lipatti in his last performance at the Besancon festival would have played the Chopin Waltzes at this tempo!
Who even knows what he's playing. It's like a homeless guy who sneaks into a church to play an out of tune piano, and you can't possibly guess what warhorse he thinks he is playing
0:07 1. Allegro Maestro
12:12 2. Scherzo (Molto Vivace)
16:05 3. Largo
28:16 4. Finale. (Presto Non Tanto)
Pogorelich seems to have recovered more from his arthritis seeing that a lot of his old technique has come back. I'm glad to see it!
I am usually the one defending IP, but this one doesn't really convince me.
@@TheSoteriologist I have heard Pogo's playing of other Chopin pieces during this recital and would not be surprised if he is on some mood stabilizng medication. Considering the sufferings that he he has had to live with I take this (assumed) fact into account. I'm just glad that he is still able to make a living as a concert piannist.
@@excelsior999 As regards his 2022 Chopin album release, for instance, I am a total fan of it, in fact only a genius could have played some of it this way. It's on IP topic here.
@@TheSoteriologist I listened to some of his performances in this album. I find them lugubrious. For us who are fortunate not to find sadness in music, not even in the 2nd Sonata's funeral march, the music of Chopin is a source of joy. So should be the Larghetto in the 2nd piano Concerto, but Ivo plays it with a very negative mannerism.
@@Ernesto7608 I don't find that to be true. I also think that it is this champagne-Chopin concept that IP was playing against, since _there indeed is_ a darker side not only to Chopin, but to his music. If IP can find his interpretation in the literature, perhaps it is a hidden, true-er Chopin that upper class party goers just didn't want to hear. And I love it ! In fact, since hearing IP's take on Chopin, there aren't many Chopin interpretations that even keep my attention anymore, not even Argerich.
And please drop the this kind of use of the word "negative", it is a bit obtuse and doesn't quite gel with words such as "lugubrious". Would you really want to be hiv positive ? All the best !
A rather enjoyable recital! Beautifully played!
The inner voice and accompaniment speak beautifully along the melody.
"I want to remove the sugar from Chopin's music. To free his music from bad taste and mistaken traditions". French radio interview 10/14/23
do you have a link to the interview?
Truly wonderful! It’s a great pity there are not so many video recordings of current Maestro’s playing.
❤❤this sonata is a "living entity" on the Buddhic plane sphere of our planetary scheme, known as the Cosmic Physical Plane. This composition, being a living entity, separate from Chopins creation on paper, or the myriads of pianists varied interpretations over a 100 year history, or even what we consider IPs interpretation of the Sonata at any given point in his career, has a MUSICAL LIFE OF ITS OWN. This musical entity on its own Buddhic Plane, inspires a performing artist to perceive its own spirit as it chooses. Only a rare few pianists can grasp, capture and hear this Musical Entity called the Chopin Sonata #3 actually as it is on the zBuddhic Plane.
Rarely, if ever, can humans recognize this musical entity and allow this entity to speak its musical thoughts via the artistry of a very gifted performer.
❤❤❤❤
Less eccentric than his other performances of recent vintage (i.e. the past 25 years or so!). It basically falls within the realm of "normal" interpretive choices, though with quite a bit of freedom. The long, drawn-out phrasing isn't unsuited to the lyricism of the piece. Also, not "texturally tortured", as his performances can be when he is at his most eccentric.
FYI, it's a big, "circle in the round"-type stage, and a very reverberant hall, of a dimension more suitable to orchestral concerts, so that explains much of the acoustical quality of the recording. I've recorded concerts on my phone in this hall too, and have heard Pogorelich play there before - though I can't remember if I recorded the Pogorelich concert I heard there or not. ;-)
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what i hear here ,and in Pogorelich interpretations in general, is a pianist with an overwhelming Ego and a focus on artificially new musical ideas which he wants to be declared as the one of a Genius .I doubt that very much and i prefer modest interpretaions of anybody to enjoy Chopin's music...As the great teacher Heinrich Neuhaus said about the three most necessary qualities of a great artist: modesty, modesty and modesty...cant find this here...
Then you missed even the most basic.
Really muddy sound in the presto.
If I had attended this performance, I would have asked for my money back. Chopin's music lends itself to healthy emotions. I had always found Ivo's playing intelligently odd. But I would not equate oddity with "genius". His latest playing is like an invitation to suicide.
??????? Idiotic statement!
His new performances make me question how much I love his scherzos
His playing used to be uneven. Now he plays everything equally well. He probably can even do Tuvan throat singing at the same level
"I want to remove the sugar from Chopin's music. To free his music from bad taste and mistaken traditions". French radio interview 10/14/23
OMG the tempo is so slow. Is he on drugs?
Obviously you are not familiar with the amount of personal tragedy that Ivo has suffered in his life. If you were, hopefully you would not have been so cavalier in your comment. A lesser man would have taken ""The Easy Way Out" - Out the Window of a tall building.
Of course I would have no way of knowing, but if Pogo needs to take some mood stabilizing medicaions at times, most compassinate people wound understand,, and not accuse him of being "on drugs."
@@excelsior999 There is little excuse for this performance. This is a Sonata, not a Funeral March! Was he forced to play it??? Imagine if Dinu Lipatti in his last performance at the Besancon festival would have played the Chopin Waltzes at this tempo!
what do you mean? it seems a normal tempo.
@@excelsior999 , Does a musical criticism have to factor in personal stories? Only if he is playing for family and friends.
Who even knows what he's playing. It's like a homeless guy who sneaks into a church to play an out of tune piano, and you can't possibly guess what warhorse he thinks he is playing