Ivo Pogorelich said (in japan) about "secret" for how to play music : "Listening, listening & listening". As Sergiu Celibidache, Ivo Pogorelich goes very deeply with slow tempi. To be free we need, first, TRUTH. I love so much Ivo Pogorelich & Sergiu Celibidache : wonderful Maestro. 🙏❤
The physical stature and technique of Rachmaninov. Those giant chords were made for him. The great man would have smiled and said in that deep pensive voice of his, “I agree”.
Oh gosh, this is so different from all the others . I rather like it. It feels sumptuous and sensual. I do love artists that have their very own distinct, unique style/interpretation
Рахманинов- самый русский композитор,, сумевший синтезировать Московскую и петербургские композиторские школы. Яркие легко запоминающиеся на слух мелодии и потрясающие кульминации. Брависсимо, Маэстро Иво-Ивушко. ❤️
Pogorelich has toned down his antics from the earlier recordings. I've always admired his eclectic way of approaching a work and there's a lot to like in this performance. I've got to admire the conductor's courage agreeing to accompany Ivo knowing what a loose cannon he is.
I prefer 3 minutes of Pogo playing weird, slow, distorted, even messy to 3 hours of Miss Wang, Mister Bang or whatever other world-renowned bore playing accurate, fast, brain- and heartless.
bang and wang aren't good and that's surprising as they were both taught by Gary graffman who was taught by horowitz so I'm surprised whenever I hear them its absolutely terrible I really want them to be good but they play forte and thats it theres no dynamics in there playing
@@pianist554 I mean: even the best teacher's influence can only reach so far. But there seems to be a pattern with pupils that are technically wow and musically meh with Graffman, so I'm having serious doubts about him. He wasn't Horowitz' favorite pupil anyway...
@@pianist554 I live in NYC. One of the very few reasons for living in this dung hole of a city, which used to be marvelous, wonderful, magical. etc., etc. is that it enables me to attend performances by musicians who are The Best of the Best. For the past few years, however, I have been wondering if I have made the right decision. There is no doubt that Yuja Wang is superbly gifted pianist, but there is more to IT than THAT. I am certainly not a prude, and as a 74 year old New Yorker I can truthfully say that I have been "around the block" so any times that I could probably tell you how many cracks there are in the sidewalk. I have seen and heard Ms. Wang at Carnegie Hall and at Lincoln Center but I now think of a Yuja Wang appearance as more of a spectacle than a musical performance by a world-class talent, and now I wouldn't attend one if the tickets were free. To see a musician of her caliber appearing onstage dressed like a piano player entertaining a noisy, half-drunk crowd at a cocktail lounge a few miles off of the Las Vegas Strip is an experience which I would rather avoid. I also find her coarse manner and sometimes vulgar language to be very off-putting, to say the least. When she appears in China I wonder if she dresses in the same tawdry manner, especially if her parents and the president of China are in the audience. As for Lang Lang, I believe that he has been treated unfairly by the Press. While it is true that (to his credit) he realizes that classical music concerts are a part of Show Business, I believe that he plays the piano with his whole body and that his "mannerisms" during a performance are genuine and not an "Act," à la Glenn Gould. The media does not give nearly enough attention to the fact that this superb musician does a lot a mentoring and charitable work with young disadvantaged pianists.
Практически во всех сложных местах ничего он не сыграл'эпизод sherzando' куча левых нот''дальше фуга эпизод 'арпеджатто'не попал'в смысл далее влезать не хочется
I think this might be the concert at the Suntory Hall, Minato-ku, Tokyo on 13 Dec 2016, with the Yomiuri Nippon Symphony Orchestra conducted by Oleg Caetani. Someone please confirm or deny!
This recording was not professionally recorded and is not included in the Pogorelich Complete Recordings album. The performances there are MUCH BETTER. I assure you.
This is certainly Ivo - compare it to his (in)famous Berlin version in 2007. It makes me sad - I was a good friend of his when he lived in London in the 80's and went to many of his concerts around the world. At that point he was possibly the most astonishingly technically accomplished pianist ever. His Carnegie Hall recitals in the 90's are simply impossible playing, but he accomplished it. This is just bizarre - I feel that he is taking things to extremes to make himself happy, rather than fulfilling the composer's intentions. Rachmaninov was a great pianist and composer - he knew what he was doing so why f**k around with it? The Islamey I heard heard him play in NY in the 90's was crazy and brought the house down. But that was about 8 minutes long, he now does it in 15!!!! It is not good. I have so many video and audio recordings of him during his peak and find the performances after 2000 very sad indeed
You obviously care about music, and you obviously once cared about Ivo. Is there really nothing you find interesting, stimulating, refreshing, maybe even poignant here?
Agree. It's said he's not the same pianist since his wife died. He had a breakdown and passed some time retired. The one who came back seems another pianist, many people said. 🙄😳😒🙏
@@Pogouldangeliwitz Honestly - no. I don't know why he picked this concerto to play, as it's certainly not his 'style'. To butcher a piece like this, which has been played amazingly millions of times is just perverse. Reversing dynamics and tempo markings is fine for a lesser known piece (if you really must - the composer knew what he was doing!!!) but just no with this. It's bad. I'm not being horrible - I just find it very sad. If you want Ivo at his peak, listen to his Carnegie Hall recitals of the early 90's. They are off the scale
@@bosiljkavujovic9376 -- Thanks, Sultanov is awesome....you're correct. I inserted a Comment (in ENglish): "Rather sensational virile performance a bit influenced, I believe, by Richter (7:30)...but huge. Rivals my favorites Weissenberg, Palvanov, Prats, Richter and (for the 1st Mvt opening & closing) Lang-Lang. Sultanov's Chopin "Revolutionary" rivals Fialkowska".......BRAVO from Acapulco!
О, да! Интересно, что только я вспомнила об исполнении этого концерта Алексеем Султановым, как появился Ваш комментарий. А ведь они были дружны с Pogo, он приглашал Алексея на свои фестивали. Есть что-то общее по искренности, пронзительности и чувственности в их игре.
Quand Ivo Pogorelich arrêtera-t-il de mettre une photo de lui dans sa jeunesse, ... IL OUBLIE QUE LA JEUNESSE S'ACCOMPAGNE À L'ADOLESCENCE DE BEAUCOUP DE SOUFFRANCES HUMAINES ... il oublie que si, sa propre jeunesse évoque pour lui un si bon souvenir mais la sagesse, la vie qui l'accompagne, les expériences formant aussi la jeunesse, les recherches personnelles à tâtons sont aussi très valables et l'être humain, enfin seulement, peut se développer et se consolider ... A lui de comprendre ce qui précède, un chemin avec des surprises l'attend ... l'Inconnu est prêt à l'accueillir à bras ouverts ... mais à lui de faire le premier pas ...
C'est peut-être une idée du marketing, s'ils pensent que c'est plus vendeur comme ça. Ou bien voulaient-ils économiser la séance photo ? Honnêtement, je pense qu'ils savent que l'image du jeune Ivo rappelle au public le talent qu'il avait à l'époque et qu'il est censé s'attendre à retrouver dans cet album. Une photo d'Ivo plus âgé dissuaderait ceux qui considèrent que son jeu a perdu quelque chose avec les années. C'est une technique commerciale. Un pianiste comme Horowitz, même à 85 ans, n'a pas eu ce problème d'image car personne n'a jamais considéré qu'il avait perdu quoi que ce soit. Si ce n'est quelques cheveux.
Ce concerto n'est pas dans les enregistrements publiés par Deutsch Grammophone; c'est une capture pirate d'un concert. Cette photo est juste choisie par le "propriétaire" de cette chaîne TH-cam.
Agree with Andrew Kennaugh, in general terms. Think it in't a bad rendition of this famous concert, but have the Richter and the Weissenberg renditions and frankly, think they both are better. Don't dislike this one but at the same time, would not buy it. Pogorelich is a good and interesting pianist to keep in mind and follow, but not everything he does may be my cup of tea.
@@Pogouldangeliwitz Yep. Agree. But Pogo did not played Rach 2 in a professional way. So he never recorded it. And as explained by another reviewer he was "slow... Distorted...Weird" what's surely true because he, playing live, was so often quite irregular and quirky. Weissenberg instead could be heavy handed but could say he was good enough in the Rach Preludes and not so bad in Rach2. What you say, would be as to mean that Gilels was heavy handed or steely fingered in his Brahms nr 1 or his Beethoven 4th with Ludwig. Notice that both are considered to be Gilels Masterworks. Weissenberg Rach2 may not be a "Masterwork", but I still thinking it quite good. Could we rank Rach2 best renditions those of : -Richter (First one) -Kissin? -Sudbin? -and Weissenberg, then? . Would you agree with this⁉️ But don't include Pogo because he never played it in a professional way. 🆗⁉️Would appreciate your kind reply.
@@rickartdefoix1298 I'm not a particular fan of Rach2. Conventional renditions often sound to me as a mixture of heavyweight drama and syrupy lyricism. I guess Richter (with Rowicki, right?) is fine, because of his no nonsense approach. I like Rubinstein too because of his wonderful tone and his aristocratic phrasing. Weissenberg is boring to me but at least he's not over the top. Kissin is very competent, but doesn't move me; I haven't heard Sudbin. I remember a performance by Gryaznov that sounded great, maybe it's on TH-cam. What I like about Pogo is that he gives a deeply tragic dimension to this concerto. At times what he does is positively heart-wrenching: music for the end of times. The third movement obviously doesn't work in his rendition, and not only because he's technically insecure there. But parts of movement 1 and the entire second movement are otherworldly to me.
@@Pogouldangeliwitz I hate candy sweet approaches to Classical Music too. But haven't heard the pianist you mentioned. Will look for in TH-cam. But if you don't like Rach2, don't know what to answer. It's a despair piece of music that Rach wrote being under hypnosis. It perfectly reflects what depression or to be cracked up is, I think. That's why maybe Richter could interpret it so well. Because it had to be hard to live hidening your gay condition in old URSS. No matter, Richter could also have been a dissident there and then feel forced to live almost hidening. But Rach wrote his Third one which is much more difficult and I almost prefer it by Weissenberg than to the also famous Martha Argerich rendition. Didn't appreciated much Rach3 when I started with it. And nevertheless today I like it a lot, too. It all depends very much of one's own mood or state of mind, think. I have the habit to hear Rach 2 played by Richter. But heard Sudbin and went inmediatly interested. Weissenberg for me, reached his peak instead, when playing Mozart 21 and then Mozart 27th. This last one with the great Celibidache, as can be heard in TH-cam,but not buyed. I heard Rubinstein playing Chopin a lot, years ago. But nowadays find Claire Huangci, e. g. closer to my sensitivity. I also prefer Tatiana Shebanova to Rubinstein in what Chopin concerns. About Rubinstein playing Rach2, just haven't heard it. May look for it in TH-cam, but wouldn't buy Rubinstein nowadays. Anycase, your criteria is an interesting one and share the approach of Classical Music never falling into an edulcorated style. It has been the dominant trend in piano from the sixties on, to keep far from candy sweet in music. And still is nowadays. Magaloff and others started fighting against a certain old way of playing the Romantic and even Classical piano music. Interesting what you say. Thanks. 🤗👍🆗🙏
@@nuitNo.6 Plus, Pogorelich is also known to play at a much slower tempo for certain recordings (eg Liszt sonata, Brahms Intermezzo). Also most pianists take 35-40 min to complete this concerto in comparison to Pogorelich's 49 min. Still heart achingly beautiful though.
Bizarre openingDon't think he even played all the chords correctly...2nd Subject too ponderous & accented.Sorry Ivo,you're past it...😧Painful to listen to...
Ivo was a very great pianist,maybe could be again...talk about whether others can play as well as him is absurd.They are professionals,not amateurs.If they are no longer up to playing in public they should retire.Now do you get my point?😕
He played all the opening chords correctly. He's trying to do what he's always done, bring clarity and separation to all of the different voices and parts. Only it gets to be too much, with too many pauses and too much dragging at times. However, there are also many moments of exquisite beauty and drama. Also, not all of the messes are his fault. The orchestra gets annoyingly lost at times...
Ivo Pogorelich said (in japan) about "secret" for how to play music : "Listening, listening & listening". As Sergiu Celibidache, Ivo Pogorelich goes very deeply with slow tempi. To be free we need, first, TRUTH. I love so much Ivo Pogorelich & Sergiu Celibidache : wonderful Maestro. 🙏❤
Absolument d'accord avec vous....Ce sont deux références absolues;;;
@@brigittequerre8319 Moi aussi.
The physical stature and technique of Rachmaninov. Those giant chords were made for him. The great man would have smiled and said in that deep pensive voice of his, “I agree”.
Oh gosh, this is so different from all the others . I rather like it. It feels sumptuous and sensual. I do love artists that have their very own distinct, unique style/interpretation
Рахманинов- самый русский композитор,, сумевший синтезировать Московскую и петербургские композиторские школы. Яркие легко запоминающиеся на слух мелодии и потрясающие кульминации. Брависсимо, Маэстро Иво-Ивушко. ❤️
00:00 I. Moderato
12:44 II. Adagio sostenuto
24:27->37.15 III. Allegro scherzando
Superior in every Way ..
Pogorelich has toned down his antics from the earlier recordings. I've always admired his eclectic way of approaching a work and there's a lot to like in this performance. I've got to admire the conductor's courage agreeing to accompany Ivo knowing what a loose cannon he is.
I prefer 3 minutes of Pogo playing weird, slow, distorted, even messy to 3 hours of Miss Wang, Mister Bang or whatever other world-renowned bore playing accurate, fast, brain- and heartless.
Ah yes, hear hear sir, keep those Asians away from our precious ivories! Hint: you're a tiresome, racist fool.
bang and wang aren't good and that's surprising as they were both taught by Gary graffman who was taught by horowitz so I'm surprised whenever I hear them its absolutely terrible I really want them to be good but they play forte and thats it theres no dynamics in there playing
@@pianist554 I mean: even the best teacher's influence can only reach so far. But there seems to be a pattern with pupils that are technically wow and musically meh with Graffman, so I'm having serious doubts about him.
He wasn't Horowitz' favorite pupil anyway...
@@pianist554 I live in NYC. One of the very few reasons for living in this dung hole of a city, which used to be marvelous, wonderful, magical. etc., etc. is that it enables me to attend performances by musicians who are The Best of the Best. For the past few years, however, I have been wondering if I have made the right decision.
There is no doubt that Yuja Wang is superbly gifted pianist, but there is more to IT than THAT. I am certainly not a prude, and as a 74 year old New Yorker I can truthfully say that I have been "around the block" so any times that I could probably tell you how many cracks there are in the sidewalk. I have seen and heard Ms. Wang at Carnegie Hall and at Lincoln Center but I now think of a Yuja Wang appearance as more of a spectacle than a musical performance by a world-class talent, and now I wouldn't attend one if the tickets were free.
To see a musician of her caliber appearing onstage dressed like a piano player entertaining a noisy, half-drunk crowd at a cocktail lounge a few miles off of the Las Vegas Strip is an experience which I would rather avoid. I also find her coarse manner and sometimes vulgar language to be very off-putting, to say the least. When she appears in China I wonder if she dresses in the same tawdry manner, especially if her parents and the president of China are in the audience.
As for Lang Lang, I believe that he has been treated unfairly by the Press. While it is true that (to his credit) he realizes that classical music concerts are a part of Show Business, I believe that he plays the piano with his whole body and that his "mannerisms" during a performance are genuine and not an "Act," à la Glenn Gould. The media does not give nearly enough attention to the fact that this superb musician does a lot a mentoring and charitable work with young disadvantaged pianists.
Tak , wielu jest pianistów, ale Ivo Pogorewitch jest jeden - dla mnie jedyny 🌹🌹🌹
Браво ! Большой оригинал и профессионал ! Гениальный волшебный, свежий ветер, Иво !
Мимоза не перестаю удивляться вашему непрофессионализму'3 часть вообще никакая'еле еле темпа нет'каденция в самос начале кошмар'
49.22 включи')))и послушай даже в этом темпе он не может выиграть'левые ноты'
П п 3 части фальшь мимоза дизлайк вам'т погореличу'фамилия его оправдывает
Практически во всех сложных местах ничего он не сыграл'эпизод sherzando' куча левых нот''дальше фуга эпизод 'арпеджатто'не попал'в смысл далее влезать не хочется
Руки после martellatto не отвалились у него?))))дааа и это темпы?)))3 часть вообще в никуда
Il capo di tutti capi! Bravo maestro!
E, to !!
I think this might be the concert at the Suntory Hall, Minato-ku, Tokyo on 13 Dec 2016, with the Yomiuri Nippon Symphony Orchestra conducted by Oleg Caetani. Someone please confirm or deny!
The title says it’s Caetani so you could be right
This recording was not professionally recorded and is not included in the Pogorelich Complete Recordings album. The performances there are MUCH BETTER. I assure you.
8:14 was this performed in a public restroom
La Orquesta y el director------where...?
Amazing. Right tempo, right?
Rachmaninov played it in 30 minutes.
@@ioanngirkin Rachmaninov played it in 30 minutes - and not particularly convincingly...
Which Dirigent?! Which orchestra?! Amaizing dialogue!!
Oleg Caetani conducts.
Pogorelich needs a genius conductor.
This one is not that good. Maby it`s an amazing accompanist, but nothing special, to be onest.
This is certainly Ivo - compare it to his (in)famous Berlin version in 2007. It makes me sad - I was a good friend of his when he lived in London in the 80's and went to many of his concerts around the world. At that point he was possibly the most astonishingly technically accomplished pianist ever. His Carnegie Hall recitals in the 90's are simply impossible playing, but he accomplished it. This is just bizarre - I feel that he is taking things to extremes to make himself happy, rather than fulfilling the composer's intentions. Rachmaninov was a great pianist and composer - he knew what he was doing so why f**k around with it? The Islamey I heard heard him play in NY in the 90's was crazy and brought the house down. But that was about 8 minutes long, he now does it in 15!!!! It is not good. I have so many video and audio recordings of him during his peak and find the performances after 2000 very sad indeed
You obviously care about music, and you obviously once cared about Ivo. Is there really nothing you find interesting, stimulating, refreshing, maybe even poignant here?
Agree. It's said he's not the same pianist since his wife died. He had a breakdown and passed some time retired. The one who came back seems another pianist, many people said. 🙄😳😒🙏
@@Pogouldangeliwitz Honestly - no. I don't know why he picked this concerto to play, as it's certainly not his 'style'. To butcher a piece like this, which has been played amazingly millions of times is just perverse. Reversing dynamics and tempo markings is fine for a lesser known piece (if you really must - the composer knew what he was doing!!!) but just no with this. It's bad. I'm not being horrible - I just find it very sad. If you want Ivo at his peak, listen to his Carnegie Hall recitals of the early 90's. They are off the scale
@@rickartdefoix1298 It's all very sad - considering how he used to play
Pogo's eccentricity could have been put to much better use here.....Richter's nuances work....Palvanov, Weissenberg, Prats....Lang-Lang......
Listen to Alexei Sultanov's interpretation! Thank you!
@@bosiljkavujovic9376 -- Thanks, Sultanov is awesome....you're correct. I inserted a Comment (in ENglish): "Rather sensational virile performance a bit influenced, I believe, by Richter (7:30)...but huge. Rivals my favorites Weissenberg, Palvanov, Prats, Richter and (for the 1st Mvt opening & closing) Lang-Lang. Sultanov's Chopin "Revolutionary" rivals Fialkowska".......BRAVO from Acapulco!
О, да! Интересно, что только я вспомнила об исполнении этого концерта Алексеем Султановым, как появился Ваш комментарий. А ведь они были дружны с Pogo, он приглашал Алексея на свои фестивали. Есть что-то общее по искренности, пронзительности и чувственности в их игре.
Opening not as written in Score. I wonder why the need to re-write!?
Maybe because being a good artist does not require to own a good printer
Quand Ivo Pogorelich arrêtera-t-il de mettre une photo de lui dans sa jeunesse, ... IL OUBLIE QUE LA JEUNESSE S'ACCOMPAGNE À L'ADOLESCENCE DE BEAUCOUP DE SOUFFRANCES HUMAINES ... il oublie que si, sa propre jeunesse évoque pour lui un si bon souvenir mais la sagesse, la vie qui l'accompagne, les expériences formant aussi la jeunesse, les recherches personnelles à tâtons sont aussi très valables et l'être humain, enfin seulement, peut se développer et se consolider ... A lui de comprendre ce qui précède, un chemin avec des surprises l'attend ... l'Inconnu est prêt à l'accueillir à bras ouverts ... mais à lui de faire le premier pas ...
C'est peut-être une idée du marketing, s'ils pensent que c'est plus vendeur comme ça. Ou bien voulaient-ils économiser la séance photo ? Honnêtement, je pense qu'ils savent que l'image du jeune Ivo rappelle au public le talent qu'il avait à l'époque et qu'il est censé s'attendre à retrouver dans cet album. Une photo d'Ivo plus âgé dissuaderait ceux qui considèrent que son jeu a perdu quelque chose avec les années. C'est une technique commerciale. Un pianiste comme Horowitz, même à 85 ans, n'a pas eu ce problème d'image car personne n'a jamais considéré qu'il avait perdu quoi que ce soit. Si ce n'est quelques cheveux.
Ce concerto n'est pas dans les enregistrements publiés par Deutsch Grammophone; c'est une capture pirate d'un concert. Cette photo est juste choisie par le "propriétaire" de cette chaîne TH-cam.
I for one adore his photos
Myriam qui decouvre l'interweb, c'est un peu "Claudine voit des mégabits" 😁
Is it part of the recordings on the picture? Trying to make sure before I buy.
no!
. eigenzinnig, maar goed beluisterbaar, bh. het laatste deel ..
[ individualistic, but listenable, except last part ]
Agree with Andrew Kennaugh, in general terms. Think it in't a bad rendition of this famous concert, but have the Richter and the Weissenberg renditions and frankly, think they both are better. Don't dislike this one but at the same time, would not buy it. Pogorelich is a good and interesting pianist to keep in mind and follow, but not everything he does may be my cup of tea.
Weissenberg, snorrrrre... 😴
12 cylinders of stainless steel...
@@Pogouldangeliwitz Yep. Agree. But Pogo did not played Rach 2 in a professional way. So he never recorded it. And as explained by another reviewer he was "slow... Distorted...Weird" what's surely true because he, playing live, was so often quite irregular and quirky. Weissenberg instead could be heavy handed but could say he was good enough in the Rach Preludes and not so bad in Rach2. What you say, would be as to mean that Gilels was heavy handed or steely fingered in his Brahms nr 1 or his Beethoven 4th with Ludwig. Notice that both are considered to be Gilels Masterworks. Weissenberg Rach2 may not be a "Masterwork", but I still thinking it quite good. Could we rank Rach2 best renditions those of :
-Richter (First one)
-Kissin?
-Sudbin?
-and Weissenberg, then? . Would you agree with this⁉️
But don't include Pogo because he never played it in a professional way. 🆗⁉️Would appreciate your kind reply.
@@rickartdefoix1298 I'm not a particular fan of Rach2. Conventional renditions often sound to me as a mixture of heavyweight drama and syrupy lyricism. I guess Richter (with Rowicki, right?) is fine, because of his no nonsense approach. I like Rubinstein too because of his wonderful tone and his aristocratic phrasing. Weissenberg is boring to me but at least he's not over the top. Kissin is very competent, but doesn't move me; I haven't heard Sudbin. I remember a performance by Gryaznov that sounded great, maybe it's on TH-cam.
What I like about Pogo is that he gives a deeply tragic dimension to this concerto. At times what he does is positively heart-wrenching: music for the end of times. The third movement obviously doesn't work in his rendition, and not only because he's technically insecure there. But parts of movement 1 and the entire second movement are otherworldly to me.
@@Pogouldangeliwitz I hate candy sweet approaches to Classical Music too. But haven't heard the pianist you mentioned. Will look for in TH-cam. But if you don't like Rach2, don't know what to answer. It's a despair piece of music that Rach wrote being under hypnosis. It perfectly reflects what depression or to be cracked up is, I think. That's why maybe Richter could interpret it so well. Because it had to be hard to live hidening your gay condition in old URSS. No matter, Richter could also have been a dissident there and then feel forced to live almost hidening. But Rach wrote his Third one which is much more difficult and I almost prefer it by Weissenberg than to the also famous Martha Argerich rendition. Didn't appreciated much Rach3 when I started with it. And nevertheless today I like it a lot, too. It all depends very much of one's own mood or state of mind, think. I have the habit to hear Rach 2 played by Richter. But heard Sudbin and went inmediatly interested. Weissenberg for me, reached his peak instead, when playing Mozart 21 and then Mozart 27th. This last one with the great Celibidache, as can be heard in TH-cam,but not buyed. I heard Rubinstein playing Chopin a lot, years ago. But nowadays find Claire Huangci, e. g. closer to my sensitivity. I also prefer Tatiana Shebanova to Rubinstein in what Chopin concerns. About Rubinstein playing Rach2, just haven't heard it. May look for it in TH-cam, but wouldn't buy Rubinstein nowadays. Anycase, your criteria is an interesting one and share the approach of Classical Music never falling into an edulcorated style. It has been the dominant trend in piano from the sixties on, to keep far from candy sweet in music. And still is nowadays. Magaloff and others started fighting against a certain old way of playing the Romantic and even Classical piano music. Interesting what you say. Thanks. 🤗👍🆗🙏
Kiedyś wielki mistrz, a teraz.....karykatura koncertu Rachmaninowa
To bzdura
I think this is not genuine recording. This might be a compilation of several recordings. For sure this isn`t Ivo Pogorelich.
14:50 only Pogorelich plays that part like that. It's Pogorelich.
@@nuitNo.6 Plus, Pogorelich is also known to play at a much slower tempo for certain recordings (eg Liszt sonata, Brahms Intermezzo). Also most pianists take 35-40 min to complete this concerto in comparison to Pogorelich's 49 min. Still heart achingly beautiful though.
It's definitely him. There are other pirate recordings of him playing this concerto; just compare.
@@raymondmartin5187 it’s actually roughly 37 minutes, as the 2nd movement is repeated at the end (don’t ask why)
Bizarre openingDon't think he even played all the chords correctly...2nd Subject too ponderous & accented.Sorry Ivo,you're past it...😧Painful to listen to...
andrew kennaugh can you play them huh don’t complain it’s very good
Ivo was a very great pianist,maybe could be again...talk about whether others can play as well as him is absurd.They are professionals,not amateurs.If they are no longer up to playing in public they should retire.Now do you get my point?😕
He's well past it. I went to a solo recital a few years back. It was heartbreaking actually. He's clearly not fit to perform.
He played all the opening chords correctly. He's trying to do what he's always done, bring clarity and separation to all of the different voices and parts. Only it gets to be too much, with too many pauses and too much dragging at times. However, there are also many moments of exquisite beauty and drama. Also, not all of the messes are his fault. The orchestra gets annoyingly lost at times...
This was painful to listen to.