@@mervinprone No, not even close. The RAV4/Venza takes a 12 mpg hit due to the high profile, poor aerodynamics, and larger tires. Plus they have a short rear floor and a sloped rear window. A "Camry" wagon, like the Camry wagons of the 80's that were based completely on the existing Camry body with a long roof line properly squared off would have a more useful cargo area with a longer floor and only lose a few mpg's compared to the sedan.
I don't like correcting journalist's but, while the camry does have two electric motors at the front, only one of them does the driving. The other starts the petrol engine and is a generator. The electric drive motor will also charge the battery but only on regenerative braking cycle. Hope this helps.
Thanks, I was wondering why a FWD engine also needs two electric motors in the front. Thought it would have been wiser to put the electric motors on the back wheels, but your statement made sense now.
@@malcolmwilton8107 yes MG2 is the drive motor with 100kW and MG1 is responsible for the engine starting and driving. When the engine is driving the car it is spinning MG1
I have a non hybrid 2015 Camry, easily the best car that I've ever owned. It drives well, is comfortable, reliable and uses hardly any more fuel than a Corolla or a Yaris! I see the styling as an evolution of the old styling, which I think is a good thing. In my opinion the 2018 model is the best looking one so far
One of the issues with seat comfort in modern Toyotas that I've had is that I felt that the head restraints are angled too far forwards, and are not adjustable. It looks like they've now redesigned the front head restraints at least.
I own a 2021 SL non-hybrid with THE last V6 engine to come out of Japan. I’ve had two 4 cylinder Camrys, a 2011 Aurion V6, and now this car. What an amazing vehicle - I drive it in economy mode and I would find it hard to find anything that tops it for performance, comfort, reliability AND fuel economy. With good throttle control it achieves 6.3 Ltrs/100km on the highway and 7.8 in suburbia. Excellent for a V6. I am provided with four cylinder hybrids as a loan car each time I have my car serviced - it’s chalk and cheese. I would find it extremely difficult to go back to a four cylinder - even my wife shudders at that option. I have kept all these cars for ten years before upgrading and fortunately they are long lasting and provide reliable motoring. With no more V6 options, I guess I will be seeing exactly how long this car will last. I my wife and I are in our seventies now so I guess this will be our last car. And what a car it is.
@@Roboambo 2021 was the last V6 in the Camry. As I said in my initial post, we got the very last from Japan. Just lucky I suppose. The USA had the V6 until either this year or last year I think.
@@harrycopeland8322 I thought there may have been Klugers with the V6 in 2022 but they must have switched over earlier than I thought. Still very hard to find 2021 Klugers or camrys with V6s.
You are looking at the best colour (metallic red) in my opinion. In 2020 I bought a Camry in the UK and only had the choice of black, white, silver, rust brown or Galaxy Blue. I chose the blue but wanted a metallic red which they only sold in Ireland but not the UK. Strange Toyota. The Camry is a fantastic car and does all I want from a car, hugely spacious economical and very quiet and a very comfortable hybrid car.
As soon as you hit 20KPH the battery cuts out and the petrol engine kicks in. I own the Assent Sport 2025 model and love it. My other car is the 2018 Camry V6, my main vehicle, wish they still made these. 😍
I have my good old Aussie made 2017 last yur of car production in Australia TOYOTA AURION 3.6...love the 6 cylinder so far done 80k km ...not a single issue...still have new car grunt at pick up...good old days car..keeping it forever........sign of when we used to make cars in this country...
I currently use a VW Passat Business Sedan in combination of private and driving for regular customers, I travel about 45,000 kilometres a year and the SL Camry interests me greatly, I did drive the Lexus ES300h which was very nice to drive but was about $75,000 drive away. Most of my driving is on the M31 from the Southern Highlands to Sydney which means I don’t get the full value of the Hybrid system but I still think this Camry would be worth an extended test drive. Thanks for the review.
It's sad when a beautiful, comfortable, well equipped car like this keeps getting a Uber/fleet car status. Makes "status driven" people feel embarrassed to own one. That's their problem though. This is an amazing car to own.
I hear you. I have pride of ownership and have had nice Euro cars in the past. I'm over the ridiculous pricing to buy and operate, not to mention their terrible reliability. A hybrid Toyota is definitely back on the cards right now. Maybe we'll have a 'nice' car for the weekend too.
The only thing amazing about a Hybrid Camry is the ownership and running costs. There's really nothing amazing about the vehicle itself. But that pretty much describes Toyota vehicles across the range - not class-leading in any particular areas but 'good' across the board with plenty of dealer support and reasonable servicing and parts availability. For a lot of buyers, that's all they want I suppose...
I owned new Holden’s all my life in 2019 l bought a new V6 SL Camry .I am not and never will be embarrassed to own it ,what I am embarrassed about is that I kept buying Holden’s i should have bought a Toyota sooner first car i have ever owned that has not had to go back to the dealer with a problem.A beautifully made car from Japan perfect .
I had a look at the new 2025 Camry yesterday. The newer Camrys seem fantastic in all respects except for 2 things: Headroom is tight in the higher spec versions with the panoramic sunroof and the cars are now very low to the ground. Getting out of the car is a challenge if you are older or have a bad hip. Toyota obviously wants to appeal to a younger audience and be more sporty, but the cost is the loss of some comfort for older, long time Camry owners. I also wonder about the durability of the panoramic sunroof over the long term. The cost of repair may be considerable.
You should have put 60-90 kilos in the boot if your "testing" with a passenger... that would have pushed it over the 5L mark. Also is the driver monitoring painful and doesn't recognise sunglasses like the new Trition ?
I notice Camrys are common police cars in Australia and New Zealand, and they're typically livery and marked. In the US I notice they are rarely marked police cars although some departments use them as undercovers alot
I have an off topic question. What’s with car companies and these very odd commercials? They barely if at all show the car. The ad for this is all people not much of the product. I don’t get it.
Fire up excel and do the sums. Even if the Tesla is worth $0 in ten years time you will be $35k in front on fuel provided you can charge at home, like Tom said in the intro. And you get RWD and a bit more performance. It was line ball for me but I ended up with the m3.
Yes, for Australia the Camry is made in Japan; as is most of the other hybrids - such as RAV-4 and Corolla hybrid. The Hilux is manufactured in Thailand.
When will car manufacturers learn that not offering a standard motor version, alienates a large chunk of the market? I was interested until you said that it will be offered as a hybrid only. Kia Cerano GT stays on top of my list.
I've owned 3 Toyota hybrids and am currently driving the 21-22 Camry Hybrid and absolutely love it. However, I've seen the drive tests on the US version of the 24-25 Camry Hybrid and the US version is a far more exciting looking car than the tamed down Australian car. It's disappointing to say the least, why this is the case is beyond me?
I hired a Corolla hybrid earlier this year. It achieved 5 l /100km city and highway driving. I found it noisy to at highway speed, mainly road noise. My Subaru Outback XT is much quieter.
damn this car looks good, unlike most of the new models being released with 10x more design budgets. I'm sick and tired of driving large boats called SUVs and 4x4s on road.
Price gouging due to its popularity? Also what happened to 91 Ron fuel as the new spec is 95 Ron petrol? I was thinking of upgrading from my 2019 Camry but it doesn't make sense to pay 20k more.
@@boftyMG4 is a great car to drive. Top Gear gave it a 9/10. I only drive my Vw Golf on long trips now. Loved that car never think to drive it around town.
Bought a brand new Camry hybrid SL in 2022. Was a decent comfortable car but was very boring to drive. Paid just over $49k for it ON the road. New price at 10k more is ridiculous for a Camry. Sold it for more than I paid for it about 1 year later (thanks Toyota waiting lists) and bought a 2010 Crown Hybrid. Much better car in every way apart from the fuel economy. Oh and invested the $25+k too.
I wonder if this model will have any more headroom than the previous model, which at 182 cm tall (with a long torso) I found quite tight. That piano black on the passenger side of the dashboard looks Mehhhhh.
limited head space, awkward sedan boot and premium fuel needed, how is it a good for fleet/taxi drivers apart the comfort and fuel consumption, plus it's not cheap!
My next car will likely be an EV, but if the Camry still came in a wagon I'd have one in a heartbeat. 400kg braked towing - is that low for a hybrid vehicle?
not much radically better than my 2021 gen 8 hybrid which gets 4.6-4.8L/100 and I only use regular fuel over 250,000km. The safety features are the real seller.
Bring back the Camry wagon!
It’s still there just called the Venza/RAV4
@@mervinprone No, not even close. The RAV4/Venza takes a 12 mpg hit due to the high profile, poor aerodynamics, and larger tires. Plus they have a short rear floor and a sloped rear window. A "Camry" wagon, like the Camry wagons of the 80's that were based completely on the existing Camry body with a long roof line properly squared off would have a more useful cargo area with a longer floor and only lose a few mpg's compared to the sedan.
@@escheidl ok then Sienna
@@mervinprone LOL! 😂👌
Camry's wagon sibling is now Kluger
It looks better than the old models. I like the bronze colour.
I don't like correcting journalist's but, while the camry does have two electric motors at the front, only one of them does the driving. The other starts the petrol engine and is a generator. The electric drive motor will also charge the battery but only on regenerative braking cycle. Hope this helps.
Thanks, I was wondering why a FWD engine also needs two electric motors in the front. Thought it would have been wiser to put the electric motors on the back wheels, but your statement made sense now.
@@tepidtuna7450 yes, the dual electric motors are what the transmission is. that's what sets it apart from an actual CVT.
Well Mal. You educated me on this. 🧐
@@malcolmwilton8107 yes MG2 is the drive motor with 100kW and MG1 is responsible for the engine starting and driving. When the engine is driving the car it is spinning MG1
I really love that you are metric. It renders you watchable, as opposed to so many Brits and Americans. 👍❤️
I love to see a Car Review channel that actually points out the bad stuff
Tom is the best journo on TH-cam by far
Hi Tom. A keen car guy, I always look forward to your reviews. I regard them very highly. I like your presentation style. Thanks for this instalment!
Damn thats nice. I go in 2020 ish camry ubers all the time and their build quality feels phenomenal.
I have a non hybrid 2015 Camry, easily the best car that I've ever owned. It drives well, is comfortable, reliable and uses hardly any more fuel than a Corolla or a Yaris!
I see the styling as an evolution of the old styling, which I think is a good thing. In my opinion the 2018 model is the best looking one so far
Bought the Assent Sport two weeks ago and could not be happier.
Cooled seats is so good on the Camry, now you don’t need to get a Lexus to get a Toyota powered sedan that is extremely comfortable in the summer
I am surprised you did not talk about the head-up display! It is a new feature for this year's camry.
I have a six year old Camry SL, it has head-up display.
It’s funny, now I’m about to retire I’m liking it. I’ll make sure to put my bowls hats behind the back window
You're not alone. If this came in a wagon, I would be taking a serious look at one.
One of the issues with seat comfort in modern Toyotas that I've had is that I felt that the head restraints are angled too far forwards, and are not adjustable. It looks like they've now redesigned the front head restraints at least.
Yes I agree. Have 2018 Camry.
I own a 2021 SL non-hybrid with THE last V6 engine to come out of Japan. I’ve had two 4 cylinder Camrys, a 2011 Aurion V6, and now this car. What an amazing vehicle - I drive it in economy mode and I would find it hard to find anything that tops it for performance, comfort, reliability AND fuel economy. With good throttle control it achieves 6.3 Ltrs/100km on the highway and 7.8 in suburbia. Excellent for a V6. I am provided with four cylinder hybrids as a loan car each time I have my car serviced - it’s chalk and cheese. I would find it extremely difficult to go back to a four cylinder - even my wife shudders at that option. I have kept all these cars for ten years before upgrading and fortunately they are long lasting and provide reliable motoring. With no more V6 options, I guess I will be seeing exactly how long this car will last. I my wife and I are in our seventies now so I guess this will be our last car. And what a car it is.
I wish they would bring back that V6, it is such a great engine in the Camry and Kluger, so hard to find one in that 2020-2022 range.
@@Roboambo 2021 was the last V6 in the Camry. As I said in my initial post, we got the very last from Japan. Just lucky I suppose. The USA had the V6 until either this year or last year I think.
@@harrycopeland8322 I thought there may have been Klugers with the V6 in 2022 but they must have switched over earlier than I thought. Still very hard to find 2021 Klugers or camrys with V6s.
Now that's what I call a thorough review 👌🏆
Long time no see Mr Baker
The red looks nice. I hope they can make it a bit sportier like sportier suspension.
im driving camry hybrid SX 2023, got no complaint so far
Great initial review. Time to trade in the Aurion I think.
If you're trading from a V6 Aurion you're gna be saving about $2k a year minimum of fuel straight up!
You are looking at the best colour (metallic red) in my opinion. In 2020 I bought a Camry in the UK and only had the choice of black, white, silver, rust brown or Galaxy Blue. I chose the blue but wanted a metallic red which they only sold in Ireland but not the UK. Strange Toyota. The Camry is a fantastic car and does all I want from a car, hugely spacious economical and very quiet and a very comfortable hybrid car.
As soon as you hit 20KPH the battery cuts out and the petrol engine kicks in. I own the Assent Sport 2025 model and love it. My other car is the 2018 Camry V6, my main vehicle, wish they still made these. 😍
The front looks like a Ford Falcon 😮 might be enough to push my dad to buy this Camry, looks very nice!!!
I agree with the black interior comment , hopefully Toyota is listening and offers different colours.
I have my good old Aussie made 2017 last yur of car production in Australia TOYOTA AURION 3.6...love the 6 cylinder so far done 80k km ...not a single issue...still have new car grunt at pick up...good old days car..keeping it forever........sign of when we used to make cars in this country...
I currently use a VW Passat Business Sedan in combination of private and driving for regular customers, I travel about 45,000 kilometres a year and the SL Camry interests me greatly, I did drive the Lexus ES300h which was very nice to drive but was about $75,000 drive away.
Most of my driving is on the M31 from the Southern Highlands to Sydney which means I don’t get the full value of the Hybrid system but I still think this Camry would be worth an extended test drive.
Thanks for the review.
i really wish they would bring the Crown lineup down here - the Sport Z is my favourite car atm
I also love the Teal colour and would have bought one in a flash…I might now have to go for another metallic Red ,which looks superb in this Camry
Reminds me of the old VS Commodore, in that they have clearly had to shoehorn old existing doors into what is otherwise a cohesive, new design.
It’s called a cut and shut. Which used to involve style update by keeping main body of car but cutting off front or rear and replacing with upgrades.
It's sad when a beautiful, comfortable, well equipped car like this keeps getting a Uber/fleet car status. Makes "status driven" people feel embarrassed to own one. That's their problem though. This is an amazing car to own.
Better get to spec savers….
I hear you. I have pride of ownership and have had nice Euro cars in the past. I'm over the ridiculous pricing to buy and operate, not to mention their terrible reliability. A hybrid Toyota is definitely back on the cards right now. Maybe we'll have a 'nice' car for the weekend too.
The only thing amazing about a Hybrid Camry is the ownership and running costs. There's really nothing amazing about the vehicle itself. But that pretty much describes Toyota vehicles across the range - not class-leading in any particular areas but 'good' across the board with plenty of dealer support and reasonable servicing and parts availability. For a lot of buyers, that's all they want I suppose...
I owned new Holden’s all my life in 2019 l bought a new V6 SL Camry .I am not and never will be embarrassed to own it ,what I am embarrassed about is that I kept buying Holden’s i should have bought a Toyota sooner first car i have ever owned that has not had to go back to the dealer with a problem.A beautifully made car from Japan perfect .
I had a look at the new 2025 Camry yesterday.
The newer Camrys seem fantastic in all respects except for 2 things:
Headroom is tight in the higher spec versions with the panoramic sunroof and the cars are now very low to the ground. Getting out of the car is a challenge if you are older or have a bad hip.
Toyota obviously wants to appeal to a younger audience and be more sporty, but the cost is the loss of some comfort for older, long time Camry owners.
I also wonder about the durability of the panoramic sunroof over the long term. The cost of repair may be considerable.
You should have put 60-90 kilos in the boot if your "testing" with a passenger... that would have pushed it over the 5L mark. Also is the driver monitoring painful and doesn't recognise sunglasses like the new Trition ?
I notice Camrys are common police cars in Australia and New Zealand, and they're typically livery and marked. In the US I notice they are rarely marked police cars although some departments use them as undercovers alot
Go with the sl or the base, for private driving? It’s a big jump in price from ascent sport
I have an off topic question. What’s with car companies and these very odd commercials? They barely if at all show the car. The ad for this is all people not much of the product. I don’t get it.
I guess the resale on the Tesla may be questionable where the Camry should be fairly solid...
Fire up excel and do the sums. Even if the Tesla is worth $0 in ten years time you will be $35k in front on fuel provided you can charge at home, like Tom said in the intro. And you get RWD and a bit more performance. It was line ball for me but I ended up with the m3.
@@paulsimpson8990in that case the better idea is to buy a used Tesla 🤨
@@GoodtoseeyouIvan yep probably right. They didnt exist when I bought mine though!
Beautiful 😍
Looking good, Tom
The Corolla Cross also has the new 5th generation hybrid. Don’t know why Toyota are saying this is the first model that has it in Australia.
I can see that front area beneath the hood being a stone chip magnet and needing a plastic guard to be fitted.
Interesting that the A25A-FXS in this Camry and the RAV4 here in the US is fine running on regular. I wonder why Toyota requires premium in Aus.
In sport mode on the highway the responsiveness from 100-120 is sensational!
Does the camry still use nickel metal batteries in Australia?
I'm pretty sure the Corolla Cross is already using the 5th generation hybrid system when it first debut in Australia back in 2023
Awesome review mate 👍 Thanks for sharing. One question where are they made for the Australian market? Is it Japan?
That’s what is mentioned when talking about the teal colour
Yes, for Australia the Camry is made in Japan; as is most of the other hybrids - such as RAV-4 and Corolla hybrid.
The Hilux is manufactured in Thailand.
When will car manufacturers learn that not offering a standard motor version, alienates a large chunk of the market? I was interested until you said that it will be offered as a hybrid only. Kia Cerano GT stays on top of my list.
80-90% of the ES, i wonder what Lexus is doing to the upcoming ES
Just speculate. 2.4 turbo with electric motor like the RX500 producing 360hp.
going more luxury
Just makes you wonder, what was Honda thinking with the DA price of the civic hybrid...they need to bring out a mid spec version asap.
I've owned 3 Toyota hybrids and am currently driving the 21-22 Camry Hybrid and absolutely love it. However, I've seen the drive tests on the US version of the 24-25 Camry Hybrid and the US version is a far more exciting looking car than the tamed down Australian car. It's disappointing to say the least, why this is the case is beyond me?
I hired a Corolla hybrid earlier this year. It achieved 5 l /100km city and highway driving. I found it noisy to at highway speed, mainly road noise. My Subaru Outback XT is much quieter.
We're lucky to get both hybrid and non hybrid.
damn this car looks good, unlike most of the new models being released with 10x more design budgets. I'm sick and tired of driving large boats called SUVs and 4x4s on road.
Any reason we don’t get the all wheel drive in aus ?
We don't either in the EU...
Looks really nice. Bit expensive tho. I may trade my CX5 for this for the efficiency
What model grade cx5 do you have?
@@Rhetbabemagnet the akera turbo petrol AWD 2022 model
@@hashmi1195 mate thats a ripper of a car keep it. We just bought a cx9. Best suvs
A pity we’re not getting the 16th gen Toyota Crown Crossover model here
Tom always hogs the exciting stuff 😅
2024 Camry drive away price of 60K.
Not sure what's real anymore
Price gouging due to its popularity? Also what happened to 91 Ron fuel as the new spec is 95 Ron petrol? I was thinking of upgrading from my 2019 Camry but it doesn't make sense to pay 20k more.
They're just asking to be eaten by Chinese vehicles
It’s inflation. Government just doesn’t care. A Camry in 1991 was actually more expensive after inflation is taken into account
@@pastachannel1193 you don’t have to pay 60, that’s top model
@@dontdoxmebro Perhaps, but considering better cars are available cheaper, that statistic is irrelevant.
I like the shark!
Unfortunately not available in the Netherlands 😢
Great update but that's not Camry prices.
Ridiculous $
I've driven a Toyota hybrid for the last 8 years. They are great for reliability, but I'll be getting the MG4 as my next car.
Welcome to the club.
Aren’t they garbage?
@@bofty MG petrol are garbage
@@boftyMG4 is a great car to drive. Top Gear gave it a 9/10. I only drive my Vw Golf on long trips now. Loved that car never think to drive it around town.
Will you review the 2024 Honda Accord for Australia?
So frustrating that we don’t get coloured interiors in AU. I am so over black interiors.
Hi Tom,
I've read you have moved on from Chasing Cars. Is it possible to update us?
Flawless with a CVT box ?
Damn, who hurt you Camry-san
The ugly stick had a good go by the looks. SL looks ok, but the lower variants, nup.
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 ☹️
$44,000-$59,000 drive away for a 2024 sedan is a pretty fair price. I choose it over those SUVs or Tesla model 3.
What an outstanding vehicle Toyota, bravo, and its made in Japan, well done!!
Does the 2025 Camry only come in 16" or 18" rims, not 17"?
The Ascent and Ascent Sport both come with 17 inch alloys
You mentioned the Lexus ES, what about the Lexus RX? Even though the RX is a SUV.
Great car. Simple.
Is the next Corolla going to look similar? I’m hoping it does.
There are some great imaginative renders on the net - like the new Prius. They look amazing, but the real ones will probably be bland.
Uber green announced this week they are ditching hybrid and going EV only.
Bought a brand new Camry hybrid SL in 2022. Was a decent comfortable car but was very boring to drive. Paid just over $49k for it ON the road. New price at 10k more is ridiculous for a Camry. Sold it for more than I paid for it about 1 year later (thanks Toyota waiting lists) and bought a 2010 Crown Hybrid. Much better car in every way apart from the fuel economy. Oh and invested the $25+k too.
Smart man
Nice
Just about every Camry I’m driving behind seems to be doing about ten k below the speed limit.😊
We want that Crown's bronx color in the North American market~👆
This car is really good but wish we got v6 hybrid rwd like toyota crown
I wonder if this model will have any more headroom than the previous model, which at 182 cm tall (with a long torso) I found quite tight. That piano black on the passenger side of the dashboard looks Mehhhhh.
Compare hybrid Camry with ev you missed one important parameter. Resale value. People tend forget about that
This feels like a different style of filiming and i don't mean the content - the audio or something?
Pity we don't get the AWD version like the US
I'll take a model 3 thanks
And now you can more comfortably block the right lane 20km under the limit
This, or the N-Line Sonata? 🤔
This any day of the week
limited head space, awkward sedan boot and premium fuel needed, how is it a good for fleet/taxi drivers apart the comfort and fuel consumption, plus it's not cheap!
Great car much better than the junk Mazda is selling these days.
$59k drive away!!! My goodness.
Better than North American version.
Will Toyota release one with the Uber fragrance? Spice, BO, curry?
Was waiting for one of these after driving one in the states.... but its a 12month wait... no thanks not for a camry.
That sounds like it's not your cup of tea mate...
@@navneetkumar466 Yup the tea will def be cold after a 12 month + wait for a Camry.
Disappointed this isn't a brand new platform. Not worth the 60k asking price. Why not just buy a lightly used ES300h?
Byd seal premium better car in every way and it's rwd.
You would think Toyota could ship an Uber-ready model that has industrial strength deodourant plumbed into the driver's seat.
My next car will likely be an EV, but if the Camry still came in a wagon I'd have one in a heartbeat.
400kg braked towing - is that low for a hybrid vehicle?
I wonder if we'll ever see a car again that only rquires a 200 dollar battery replacement
Cloth seats improve interior quietness.
not much radically better than my 2021 gen 8 hybrid which gets 4.6-4.8L/100 and I only use regular fuel over 250,000km.
The safety features are the real seller.
Boring is perfect for me now. Think I am getting old. I prefer this over Tesla. You get better cabin, comfort and most importantly resale value.
No one wants beige or tan leather interior unless you are over 80 years old. The black leather looks great.
I reckon the bronze colour with a tan interior would be mint. Now where did I leave my pension card?
No more HUD :(