Lol stop. The juiced up guy can turn a pop fly into a home run. It’s not even a comparison. Teams change their signs even during games. The advantage is nowhere near what steroids provide.
even with sign stealing.....Max is right......teams change their signs every day!!! Just because you assume what pitch is coming based on a sign you see......doesn’t guarantee that’s the pitch you’re gonna get! 😏 Like Barnhart said in his interview.......pitchers and catchers have the capacity and should change things up to outsmart the so called stealing! Steroids is strength......body language and signs are simply a dam guess!
@Wendy...you clearly have never played baseball..you have zero clue what signs are and what stealing signs mean...but hey no women play baseball you are forgiven
For those that really know the game of baseball...this stealing signs using technology is cheating on such a level that using steroids never could be...
bb 472 you’re not wrong, but what do you honestly expect with the advent of all this technology? Seriously. Instant replay is ruining two sports at the sane time right now too. Blaming fans is silly, but fanatics do bear some culpability with these sneaky tactics when they act holier than thou about any decision made by a professional athlete.
We should just have a no rules league! Everyone’s on steroids everyone is cheating the games are like 20 points each team they battle to the death at the end of its a tie... I’d watch
Jaime Palomino 100+ WHILE on roids...likely 50+ consistently possibly pushing 60 before. Steroids made Barry bonds, IMHO, the absolute best hitter I’ve ever witnessed play the game of baseball. He was HOF caliber BEFORE steroids, but with steroids he became otherworldly.
I live in houston. It’s always been an astros city. Even when the Texans and rockets are doing well, more people still care about the astros. The cheating scandal has absolutely ruined the moral of every astros fan in the city. Thankfully I’m a pirates and padres fan so I’m used to disappointment, but the entire city is very very upset.
Tavian Wilson what’s worse is most of them are in denial when I show them the videos. lol they don’t wanna see it when I tell them to go search HOU 2017 on TH-cam
@@BitcoinMotorist They used to use signals to send in defensive plays. They don't do that anymore because of Belichick (unless there's a malfunction with the radios, which the Patriots reportedly prefer for some reason).
Imagine if the Giants had this system in place when Bonds hit 73. He probably would have 100 homeruns or walked 400 times. Steroid era was bad but most of the teams had users. This is worse.
Actually this is a good point. Take away Bonds' PED's and give him each pitch that's coming, and he's hitting 100 plus homers. That's how good he was. And that's how bad this really is.
Nobody's talking about how they basically cheated Kershaw out of a chance to build a legacy and created a false narrative surrounding him as that of a choker in big moments. Teams and players got off light. MLB is kind of trash for how they handled this.
Fans: "We want a sport where none of the players use illicit drugs." Players and coaches: "Okay, we'll find other ways to cheat." Fans: "No, that's not what we..." Pat: "You see, it's all the fans' fault!"
I don't understand the freakout over steroids. I don't think performance enhancing drugs should be banned from any sport. The main argument seems to be that it will make underage athletes want to use drugs too. There is no evidence to back that up. Adult professionals should be allowed to do everything they can to maximize their productivity
@thopkins22 On the other side, I know very few people who don't care about steroids. How are things in that cave where you live, anyway, where you are so sheltered from all of the outrage about Barry Bonds, specifically, for having used steroids?
@@BitcoinMotorist I think the main argument is that if steroids are allowed, then you basically need to take steroids to be competitive. There are side effects and health implications that go along with steroids, so for those who want to stay natural and not sacrifice their bodies to the game, they are at a disadvantage
You’re right, they’re actually MORE juiced up. I have multiple friends in the MLB, and my brother in law played in the MLB for a couple years. All of them have told me that once you reach the college level in competitive sports that’s when the juicing begins and by the time you get to the professionals everyone is on them. Hell, some even started in high school. HGH is undetectable, everyone is on that. Most new steroid formulas are formulated with the purpose of passing drug tests. Then there is sarms, stem cell, blood oxygenation, and other forms of enhancement. Players are 3x more enhanced nowadays. I’d bet my life savings on that.
TJ Hageli Pitching is a lot better now People don’t play 162 games as often but the team home run records are being shattered right now, so what does that tell you? You can say the ball was juiced this year but in 2018 the Yankees broke the all time team home run record that was set in the height of the steroid era by the mariners.
Da C. So what’s? There is no one with even a modicum of intelligence who believes Bonds or Clemens was natural. You’re right it was never proven that either one used anabolic steroids, but we’re not speaking about being denied a Constitutionally protected right. They weren’t arrested, tried, and convicted for their use of steroids, which if proven they could have been because steroids are illegal. Why weren’t they arrested? Because there wasn’t conclusive proof, but there is certainly enough circumstantial evidence that they used steroids to deny them into entry into the HOF, which is not a God-given, Constitutional right. Pete Rose is just as deserving, if not more than either one of these two and he’s being denied for far less. I actually happen to be a big Roger Clemens fan, but I’m big enough to swallow my pride and admit that he cheated, which besides diminishing the integrity of the game, brings the validity of his pitching accomplishments into question.
The crazy thing is that "mongoloid" and "caucasian" are from the same 100 year old eugenics based racial classification system. Yet "Caucasian" is still socially acceptable to use for most people.
Not at all. If you do that, then ban every single MLB team and player who use cameras to steal signs and key movements, and all the Dodgers will be gone.
@@Subie_OffXroad That was the other excuse as to why he did not want his shirt taken off. Correa told reporters that Altuve had a tattoo that wasn't finished and did not want anyone to see. smh
Steroids was much ado about nothing. The media was all over the story but I doubt most fans were that worked up about it. This is completely different, you changed the outcome of games most likely, changed history
Jackbo M pats editor put that thumbnail on there. TH-cam doesn’t choose the thumbnails. They put a small frame of that picture in there video somewhere and choose the thumbnail.
A wise man once told me: “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t tryin.” But, it’s a bad look for the MLB. I agree with you Pat, bring back the ‘Meathead’ era!
I have been watching baseball for a long time. I'm not going to this season. I'm sick of the cheating. We're taught in Little League all the way thru high school to play the game with integrity and sportsmanship. Somewhere along the way that goes out the window. These guys cheat and sometimes get caught, but even then they still laugh all the way to the bank. I'm sick of the cheating and I'm sick of strikeout and homerun baseball, the game is boring to watch. Call me old school, I don't care.
hardly any hit and run, or hitting the other way, or good bunting, or double steal or great base stealers; the shift is bad, once in a while ok for strategy, but every inning there is a shift now, a very good hitter can bat 450 against the shift, like boggs, or gwynn, or carew.....; so I agree with you.
I'm surprised post-game interviews didn't go like this: "How did you get those final strikeouts to seal the win?" "umm I don't know" "You mean you were just so on point you didn't even have to think out there you just threw like you were playing catch in the backyard?" "No, I mean I literally do not know. I was totally f***ing up out there. My fastballs were slow, my sliders turned into curveballs, if the strike zone was the broadside of a barn I couldn't hit it while standing on the inside, but they just kept swinging." "Oh, was that why you and the catcher had a conference at the mound, to get on the same page?" "Yeah... yeahhh. Totally." What was really said: *gloves over mouths* "What is happening?" "I have no idea!"
So your saying altuve has been doing this his whole career then? He's been a career 300 hitter and these accusations are coming from one yr. So your saying he has been using this his whole season which would be ridiculous.
@@davidhaddox4625 no obviously he's still an elite athlete. But he had to cheat in pivotal moments to win. He might still be a great ball player but he's not a real champion/mvp.
I said to my friend last night who’s a huge baseball fan “if you’re going to cheat, atleast make it fun like steroids. No ones going to be entertained by all the technology uses of cheating, we’re just going to get pissed. If you can cheat while be entertaining at the same time, it’s justified”💯💯
While they did cheat, to say they were bombing HRs at home...they hit 8 more HRs on the road than at home...and batted .284 on the road as opposed to ..279 at home. In fact, all of their hitting was better on the road than at home.
I dont think people realize how rampant cheating is in baseball. Every team has a team of people who try and steal signs. Been going on forever and theres a reason teams change signs every few innings. Not a big deal to me
Except against the Yankees in the 2017 alcs,the Astros got crushed at Yankees stadium and won their home games. So ,they had to cheat to beat the NYY's
Both of those are small sample size pieces of data. Note - I do not question the fact that they cheated. They most certainly did. I only questioned Pat's comments about "Astros blasting home runs whenever they are home" (paraphrased) comment as being incredibly misleading at best and disingenuine at worst.
1919 Chicago White Sox lost World Series on purpose for money and was banned for life. Pete Rose bet on his own team to win and was banned for life. Astros cheated for years and not one player suspended for one game. Pathetic, the Astros players involved need to be booed for the rest of their career. Rob Manfred needs to be fired and majors suspensions need to be dealt and World Series title and rings need to be taken.
As guilty as the Astros are, it’s Manfred’s fault for NOT giving them a proper punishment smh. And he should resign as commissioner due to incompetence
I absolutely love the Astros cheating, because I’m a nats fans in Texas, and I get to rub in that we beat them 4 times at home in the World Series. Loving it.
When I hear that one team "steals" the other teams signals, I have hard time seeing it as a fault of the team that intercepts the signals, instead I see it as failure of the team sending in concealing them. I always thought that one good way to prevent this would be to have the catcher NOT conceal his signs but have the pitcher also openly send a sign and go with the pitchers sign occasionally. This doubles the possibilities that have to be deciphered, decided on and relayed to the batter within the same time restraint. I am not sure of the legality of using electronic devices but imagine if the catchers mitt had an on/off switch in the thumb and then pressure activated buttons in each of the the fingers, these can be tiny. The pitcher could have micro actuators in each of the four fingers of his mitt. The catcher turns his on, sends a code using the 4 different buttons to the pitcher, which he receives through his mitt. He then nods when he understands, the catcher flips the switch back to "off" (preventing unintentional signals) and the pitch is sent. Repeat as necessary. Completely discreet, the electronics would easily be built into the gloves and no chance to be intercepted. Making them multi-frequency would make the signal much more difficult to "block" or intercept by the other team and MLB could actually assign frequencies and be able to monitor this as well. The NFL uses radios in the quarterbacks helmets in which verbal messages are sent and received and that is accepted as part of the game so I dont believe including electronics as described in MLB should be an issue at all and would completely eliminate the problem of "sign stealing" very simply.
I had no clue about the way of cheating they were doing....I just thought they were having a random guy chilling in the crowd with binoculars and it was somehow was transferred to the batter....having a robot buzz you to tell you what pitch is coming is absolutely insane.....I just want those body builders back that have hulk arms and just sending baseballs into orbit
The buzzing isn’t proven yet, just speculation around the game (seems pretty likely though) the trash can thing he was talking about 100% happened though which is hilarious
Brandon Neely if you’re going to believe the accusations about the buzzer you also have to believe that Gleyber Torres was using a buzzer. He was also implicated by the fake Twitter account, this is conveniently ignored and not mentioned by Yankee fans and the media.
1080p120hz I don’t believe the twitter account, that’s why I said the buzzer isn’t proven. But I was hyped up about it all when I typed that (why i said it’s pretty likely) But MLB has come out and proven the trash can thing. That’s all I was on about.
Honestly for baseball I enjoy Triples, Stolen Bases, and golden glove moments more then just home runs. Ricky Henderson is an example of a player I loved.
As an Astros fan I definitely don't condone what they have done. However, you might be very surprised, if you go look at the stats from 2017 and 2018. Their road stats were much better then their home stats the past couple of year. But in 2019 they were a better home team. Which is what makes the 2019 playoffs and even the world series that much more anomalous, as the road team won every game in the 2019 world series. So the stats might be a little misleading regarding their obvious cheating in the 2017 season and perhaps beyond. To be frank, what they did was obvious and egregious fucking cheating and I hate it! Because their world series championship in 2017 is forever tainted. But amazingly and surprisingly over the past few years, offensively they have been a much better road team. But non-astros fans will take that for what its worth...….
Yes it is. Steroids gives you an advantage in giving you a massive amount of hitting power and energy bursts, but knowing what pitches are coming completely destroys the game. With steroids you still have to have good hand-to-eye coordination to put the bat on the ball, but sign stealing is lowest of the low for integrity of the game. Guys like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Jose Conseco, and Mark McGwire were natural talents and didn’t even need to juice up. That’s the sad part about it. With or without being juiced they can hit home runs. Stealing pitch signals is pretty much pitching to yourself and that alternates the games. Not only did the Astros steal a World Series, but tons of pitchers were demoted to the minor leagues, opposing team players and management were broken up, awards were ripped from opposing players, etc. This is deeper than a World Series title. The Astros gave the MLB a massive black eye. I know it’s a massive rant, but the Astros as of now is cancer to the game of Baseball. They aren’t even remorseful.
Players are bigger at every position and a change of batting philosophy. Everybody has uppercut swings. Also, whenever they build a new park, it has homerun friendly dimensions. All that and teams are cheatings.lol
@@point1er and that right there is why this went the way it did. MLB tweaked the balls and openly admit it, that too is cheating. Some poor guy that's retired is gonna get passed on all time HR list due to this.
The A's hit 260 Homer's as a team , most in franchise history , and the A's have had some power in there history. Also the Yanks & Twins hit a crazy amount of homers too
The funniest thing about this whole situation was someone actually compared the numbers and the Astros hit worse at home, where they were cheating, than they did on the road
2017 was a year for baseball. The major league home run record was set, crushed by a mile. 2018 & 2019 haven’t been any different, which is why it has become a lot more fun to watch recently. There is some pretty solid evidence against Altuve here, which leads me to wonder... why aren’t you player getting in any trouble? He clearly knew that was an unwritten rule, and that nobody would be okay with it.
American sports are dying quickly lol NFL rules and refs are garbage. Baseball rules and umps are making it impossible. Basketball isn't as exciting as it was early 2000s. It's not competitive just a shooting practice basically. Soccer is growing rapidly because of these other sports problems.
To be fair NFL regular season games can end in a tie (don't agree with that) but also goals in soccer are meaningful by default cause most games there aren't many scored.
The comparison with the quarterback in middle linebacker in football is more like a situation where the pitcher and catcher would both have earbuds talking to each other
Watch more vids. They almost always attack the jersey in the celebration. One with Bregman after the infield missed his popped fly and costed them the game in the 10th inning, you can clearly see his teammate trying to open up and dig into the jersey for something.
Dude, this is the best thing for baseball. I'm waiting for the opening pitch more than I have in years. If MLB gets this right, they'll rearrange the schedule so the first series of the season is Yankees vs Astros. Then Astros vs. Indians. This season will be EPIC!
The wires are telling me that they’ve used them up until they got caught. They did the bat and trash can but you can’t do that for long. I think they were wearing them in 2019.
Yes. Definitely yes. Steroids were an individual thing, people largely knew about it, and it made the game fun. That era ended, and rightly so. The Astros not only cheated, but stole a World Series and MVP award from another team and another player. They destroyed the integrity of the game. The entire team was involved and even worse hardly any one was punished.
Completely agree, Most baseball fans would be lying if they told you they didn't enjoy 2000's baseball. Should just have a part of HOF dedicated to that era and all the players from it.
It is worse and can you imagine if Bonds ,McGuire and Sosa knew what was coming....they would’ve hit 150 HRs a season.... the steroid era in MLB was actually great for fans and I loved it even though I don’t necessarily agree with it but it was definitely a great time in baseball
Considering that sign stealing including with the aid of technology has been going on for over 50 years constantly. I would have to say no. And it act like it's that big of a deal when it's just another layer of strategy to change your signs as just kind of silly
The batters did receive a small shock, unlike the massive shock Pat had when palamalu lined up in the C gap
Crystal Glass Jesus lmao
This is the best comment ever
Clever 🤣
What happened what did you see ? WHAT DID I SEE WHAT DID I SEE
LMAOOO
You can out smart a guy who's juiced up, you can't really out smart a guy who already knows your every move....
Lol stop. The juiced up guy can turn a pop fly into a home run. It’s not even a comparison.
Teams change their signs even during games. The advantage is nowhere near what steroids provide.
Max 117 just cause you can hit the ball farther doesn’t help you if you can’t time the pitch correctly which is the whole point of the astros scheme
Yeah max, the comparison isnt even the same. Knowing what pitch is coming vs having more strength isnt even in the same league
even with sign stealing.....Max is right......teams change their signs every day!!! Just because you assume what pitch is coming based on a sign you see......doesn’t guarantee that’s the pitch you’re gonna get! 😏 Like Barnhart said in his interview.......pitchers and catchers have the capacity and should change things up to outsmart the so called stealing! Steroids is strength......body language and signs are simply a dam guess!
@Wendy...you clearly have never played baseball..you have zero clue what signs are and what stealing signs mean...but hey no women play baseball you are forgiven
"This team really thrives off of the emotion of their fan base" LOL
Living Room Gangster TV they also get off by visiting crowds booing them. They embarrassed the Yankees in NY in the 2019 ALCS, again.
its kinda funny though cuz the Astros won more games on the road in 2017
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@@kylebuckmaster6976 you’re awesome bro
"There's no crying in baseball"
but there IS cheating.
Bryan B the patriots would say there is always cheating in football
For those that really know the game of baseball...this stealing signs using technology is cheating on such a level that using steroids never could be...
bb 472 you’re not wrong, but what do you honestly expect with the advent of all this technology? Seriously. Instant replay is ruining two sports at the sane time right now too. Blaming fans is silly, but fanatics do bear some culpability with these sneaky tactics when they act holier than thou about any decision made by a professional athlete.
Your probably a Yankees fan? Because You know that they won 4 5 world series by some of their players using steroids right.
bb 472 I’m all for stealing signs in game, picking up base runner signs, but using a camera system cmonnn
@@kmena05 dude it was the steroid era bro..everyone was using steroids
Stupidest comment on here so far. Gonna keep scrolling. I’ll let you know if you were outdone, bud.
We should just have a no rules league! Everyone’s on steroids everyone is cheating the games are like 20 points each team they battle to the death at the end of its a tie... I’d watch
I mean baseball would actually be fun to watch that way.
It would be the XFL of baseball.
20 runs. Not points.
I’d actually watch baseball if that were the case.
Y’all don’t see how this shit affects health in the long run though?
If Barry Bonds knew what pitch was coming, nobody could have gotten him out.
This is way worse than the steroid era.
Even Rodger Clemens gave up hits.
Bonds would’ve hit 100+ home runs in multiple seasons if he had it. There is NO DOUBT.
Pre steroids or post steroids ?
Jaime Palomino 100+ WHILE on roids...likely 50+ consistently possibly pushing 60 before. Steroids made Barry bonds, IMHO, the absolute best hitter I’ve ever witnessed play the game of baseball. He was HOF caliber BEFORE steroids, but with steroids he became otherworldly.
Jaime Palomino Chris Brander ladies and gentlemen, btw, lol.
"What's your pop time?"
"1.8"
Everyone: "woooooow damn"
Pat: "I have no Idea what that means" 😂😂
Catcher to 2nd base.
Send him to the league
Cornpop was a bad dude.
Then why'd u ask 🤣🤣🤣
I don't know the guy but 1.8 is pretty good what was it that held him back? Anyone know?
I live in houston. It’s always been an astros city. Even when the Texans and rockets are doing well, more people still care about the astros. The cheating scandal has absolutely ruined the moral of every astros fan in the city. Thankfully I’m a pirates and padres fan so I’m used to disappointment, but the entire city is very very upset.
Ya, I know the feeling. I lived in San Diego for 21 years, my dad has season tickets and we’ll always a disappointment.
Tavian Wilson It’s bad. How can any true Astros fan support the team this year?
Tavian Wilson what’s worse is most of them are in denial when I show them the videos. lol they don’t wanna see it when I tell them to go search HOU 2017 on TH-cam
Nah we don’t care
All Astro’s fans don’t give af we still champs
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying 🤣only boomers are mad
@@edwinzuniga4705 you don't speak for us
I’m tuning in to every Astros game to watch hit by pitch show. Can’t wait. :-)
I hadnt thought of that.... but i hope it happens
I hope they are head hunting too !!!
Belichick: “I’m the greatest sports cheater ever! Can’t fvck with me..”
Astros: “Hold my camera...”
They got the cameras from bill
ThatGuy Man 😂😂 Touché
If you aint cheating, you're not doing your job!
Belichick stole signs? Damn had no idea he did that. Pretty impressive considering football uses radios to call plays
@@BitcoinMotorist They used to use signals to send in defensive plays. They don't do that anymore because of Belichick (unless there's a malfunction with the radios, which the Patriots reportedly prefer for some reason).
Imagine if the Giants had this system in place when Bonds hit 73. He probably would have 100 homeruns or walked 400 times. Steroid era was bad but most of the teams had users. This is worse.
Actually this is a good point. Take away Bonds' PED's and give him each pitch that's coming, and he's hitting 100 plus homers. That's how good he was. And that's how bad this really is.
The steroid era was amazing. This sign stealing shit is nauseating.
Nobody's talking about how they basically cheated Kershaw out of a chance to build a legacy and created a false narrative surrounding him as that of a choker in big moments. Teams and players got off light. MLB is kind of trash for how they handled this.
Oh people are talking about it. This shit is not dead 😁
I agree with your comment he is a great pitcher that was cheated. Cough curt Schilling
Didn’t he lose a couple of those games in LA?
A false narrative of him being a choker? 😂😂😂ok. I guess you're unaware of the multiple choke jobs by Kershaw before the 2017 world series?
@@markdavis1166 Yes. Yes he did.
Fans: "We want a sport where none of the players use illicit drugs."
Players and coaches: "Okay, we'll find other ways to cheat."
Fans: "No, that's not what we..."
Pat: "You see, it's all the fans' fault!"
I don't understand the freakout over steroids. I don't think performance enhancing drugs should be banned from any sport. The main argument seems to be that it will make underage athletes want to use drugs too. There is no evidence to back that up. Adult professionals should be allowed to do everything they can to maximize their productivity
@thopkins22 On the other side, I know very few people who don't care about steroids. How are things in that cave where you live, anyway, where you are so sheltered from all of the outrage about Barry Bonds, specifically, for having used steroids?
@@BitcoinMotorist I think the main argument is that if steroids are allowed, then you basically need to take steroids to be competitive. There are side effects and health implications that go along with steroids, so for those who want to stay natural and not sacrifice their bodies to the game, they are at a disadvantage
@mattlock256 Yeah. Just look at what happened to the bodybuilding industry. It’s a mess.
@@mattlock256 That is up for every athlete to judge for themselves the pros and cons
“The rest of the organization is celebrating on the field, should I join them? ...No I need to go put a different top on. Immediately.”
In PRIVATE!
In the mean time the rest of his cheating team are putting on their T-shirt’s while on the field celebrating with the rest of those cheaters. Smh
He’s so right lol baseball was incredible when everyone was on steroids
Uhmmm.. everyone is still on steroids. There are just more ways to pass tests.
@@mayeramschelrothschild3126 They're no where near as juiced up as people like Bonds and McGuire were though. That was insane.
You’re right, they’re actually MORE juiced up. I have multiple friends in the MLB, and my brother in law played in the MLB for a couple years. All of them have told me that once you reach the college level in competitive sports that’s when the juicing begins and by the time you get to the professionals everyone is on them. Hell, some even started in high school. HGH is undetectable, everyone is on that. Most new steroid formulas are formulated with the purpose of passing drug tests. Then there is sarms, stem cell, blood oxygenation, and other forms of enhancement. Players are 3x more enhanced nowadays. I’d bet my life savings on that.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild then why aren’t they hitting as well as those guys were if they’d re even more juiced up?
TJ Hageli
Pitching is a lot better now
People don’t play 162 games as often
but the team home run records are being shattered right now, so what does that tell you? You can say the ball was juiced this year but in 2018 the Yankees broke the all time team home run record that was set in the height of the steroid era by the mariners.
Altuve deserves the shoeless joe treatment. biggest scandal in 21st century sports
MLB announces that the league and players association have come to an agreement on discipline. Tom Brady will be suspended for 4 games.
@@_PatrickO Plus Ezekiel Elliott is being given a 6 game suspension
Troy R. Don’t even include these two in the same sentence. Shoeless joe was innocent He was always great. And he didn’t tank in the WS
Shoeless Joe & Buck Weaver ( 3b) 100% INNOCENT.Kennisaw Mountain Landis was a garbage Commish. INVESTIGATE some more .
@@S.D.36 Altuve and Bregman will be proven "innocent" as well. Proof without looking at evidence. swept under the rug, one might say
Give us the mongaloid back!! I wanna see 120 MPH fastballs and balls going 500 feet
Barry Bonds was the only one that didn't lie, he just refused to talk about it.
They didn't prove a dam thing against Bonds or Clemens, they need to do the right thing and vote them both into the HOF.
@@davidthecardcollector Nah man Bonds admitted to using roids, but he said he was under the impression that it was flax seed oil and arthritis cream.
@@davidthecardcollector Clemens was basically in the clear until he started taking reckless then he got put on the hot seat too.
@@brandonbuie3245 Clemens: "I'm not taking steroids either!"
Da C. So what’s? There is no one with even a modicum of intelligence who believes Bonds or Clemens was natural. You’re right it was never proven that either one used anabolic steroids, but we’re not speaking about being denied a Constitutionally protected right. They weren’t arrested, tried, and convicted for their use of steroids, which if proven they could have been because steroids are illegal. Why weren’t they arrested? Because there wasn’t conclusive proof, but there is certainly enough circumstantial evidence that they used steroids to deny them into entry into the HOF, which is not a God-given, Constitutional right. Pete Rose is just as deserving, if not more than either one of these two and he’s being denied for far less. I actually happen to be a big Roger Clemens fan, but I’m big enough to swallow my pride and admit that he cheated, which besides diminishing the integrity of the game, brings the validity of his pitching accomplishments into question.
"These mongoloids" LOVE IT HAHAHAHA
Baby yoda🙈
Pat kept using that word, I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
Lmao “mongoloids” lmaoooo
Came looking for this. No way does he know what it means 😂
😂😂😂
The crazy thing is that "mongoloid" and "caucasian" are from the same 100 year old eugenics based racial classification system. Yet "Caucasian" is still socially acceptable to use for most people.
That’s what they used to call people who had Down syndrome
Sung to the lyrics of Macho Man.....Mongo Mongo Mongo...loiiid...I'm going to be a Mongoloiiid.
I love the pat show this is gold and he’s just fun to listen to and has a lot of credibility so that makes it more interesting thanks Pat
Everyone involved needs to be banned for life.
MLB is corrupt and has been for quite some time. 2005 Kershaw tipped his pitches. That's when I knew. Sorry but there is no santa
Not at all. If you do that, then ban every single MLB team and player who use cameras to steal signs and key movements, and all the Dodgers will be gone.
Altuve has 77 pictures on his social media with his shirt off
Does his wife know about those?
Any embarrassing looking tattoos in any of them?
John Schoch ?
@@Subie_OffXroad That was the other excuse as to why he did not want his shirt taken off. Correa told reporters that Altuve had a tattoo that wasn't finished and did not want anyone to see. smh
John Schoch hahah wow. So stupid..
"Now... Well hello there!"
Pitchers, catchers, and managers should have a communication system like in the NFL.
Yes, so the batter hears.
You know what they do to dudes who wear wires...
Phil Sinex should be swimming with the fishes 🐟 🐡🐠
They get concrete shoes
Face down in a lake
As an extremely Bias Dodger fan, yes it is
My preferred team hasn't even qualified for the post season recently, and I'm pissed...
As a Dodgers fan, I would be PISSED.
@@UntilItSleeps1988 -- we're fucking livid lol. lost our chance at a real, legit WS return. it's not even about the loss...
You have every right to say it’s worse, my guy. I feel for you.
Steroids was much ado about nothing. The media was all over the story but I doubt most fans were that worked up about it. This is completely different, you changed the outcome of games most likely, changed history
@@ryanscafidi8189 You guys cheated also. 😂
As an extremely biased San Diego Padre fan, it died in 2010
Don’t take this the wrong way, but I think I know why.
It died in 2014 for me.
You held out hope 4 years after our last winning season? That’s dedication man.
Chris Barrera he was talking about Tony Gwynn passing away buddy
I feel like a jack ass for not even taking that into consideration RIP
Ppl actually watch the Padres?
TH-cam game is improving.
Little red arrows and circles in the thumbnail is a subtle but intentional click bait.
Jackbo M pats editor put that thumbnail on there. TH-cam doesn’t choose the thumbnails. They put a small frame of that picture in there video somewhere and choose the thumbnail.
KPeezy77 I think he means that pats TH-cam channel game is improving
That ad cracks me up everytime I see it. Great for the brand.
A wise man once told me: “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t tryin.”
But, it’s a bad look for the MLB. I agree with you Pat, bring back the ‘Meathead’ era!
Tell that to my GF...
Brock Stephanovich believe me he might have been a lot of things but “wise” isn’t one of them.
That is the most correct and incorrect quote of all time
RIP EDDIE GUERRERO
NUIT I lie, I cheat, I steal...!
I have been watching baseball for a long time. I'm not going to this season. I'm sick of the cheating. We're taught in Little League all the way thru high school to play the game with integrity and sportsmanship. Somewhere along the way that goes out the window. These guys cheat and sometimes get caught, but even then they still laugh all the way to the bank. I'm sick of the cheating and I'm sick of strikeout and homerun baseball, the game is boring to watch. Call me old school, I don't care.
hardly any hit and run, or hitting the other way, or good bunting, or double steal or great base stealers; the shift is bad, once in a while ok for strategy, but every inning there is a shift now, a very good hitter can bat 450 against the shift, like boggs, or gwynn, or carew.....; so I agree with you.
“Same old boring baseball” 😂
Oddly enough in the 2019 World Series neither the nats nor astros won a home game
"there were boats parked outside every stadium"
True athleticism shines through every time Seat Geek comes into the picture
“Insert c gap joke here”
I'm surprised post-game interviews didn't go like this:
"How did you get those final strikeouts to seal the win?"
"umm I don't know"
"You mean you were just so on point you didn't even have to think out there you just threw like you were playing catch in the backyard?"
"No, I mean I literally do not know. I was totally f***ing up out there. My fastballs were slow, my sliders turned into curveballs, if the strike zone was the broadside of a barn I couldn't hit it while standing on the inside, but they just kept swinging."
"Oh, was that why you and the catcher had a conference at the mound, to get on the same page?"
"Yeah... yeahhh. Totally."
What was really said:
*gloves over mouths*
"What is happening?"
"I have no idea!"
You can be 4'5 and weigh 80 pounds IF you know what's coming and you can play , your going to hit bombs most of the time, way worse than roids 1000%
Agreed! A million times worse than roids!
disagree 100%
So your saying altuve has been doing this his whole career then? He's been a career 300 hitter and these accusations are coming from one yr. So your saying he has been using this his whole season which would be ridiculous.
@@davidhaddox4625 no obviously he's still an elite athlete. But he had to cheat in pivotal moments to win. He might still be a great ball player but he's not a real champion/mvp.
Not at all. At least during steroids there was players on every team being called out this only one team is being picked on
GET JOMBOY ON THE SHOW MCAFEE!! 🙏
That guy is a Yankee homer.
@@cflo1386 If he was a Cardinals or Indians homer he is still dead on correct.
@@cflo1386 He's a fan... he also exposed the Astros...
I said to my friend last night who’s a huge baseball fan “if you’re going to cheat, atleast make it fun like steroids. No ones going to be entertained by all the technology uses of cheating, we’re just going to get pissed. If you can cheat while be entertaining at the same time, it’s justified”💯💯
"boats outside every stadium"😂😂😂
While they did cheat, to say they were bombing HRs at home...they hit 8 more HRs on the road than at home...and batted .284 on the road as opposed to ..279 at home.
In fact, all of their hitting was better on the road than at home.
I dont think people realize how rampant cheating is in baseball. Every team has a team of people who try and steal signs.
Been going on forever and theres a reason teams change signs every few innings. Not a big deal to me
Except against the Yankees in the 2017 alcs,the Astros got crushed at Yankees stadium and won their home games. So ,they had to cheat to beat the NYY's
Both of those are small sample size pieces of data. Note - I do not question the fact that they cheated. They most certainly did. I only questioned Pat's comments about "Astros blasting home runs whenever they are home" (paraphrased) comment as being incredibly misleading at best and disingenuine at worst.
1919 Chicago White Sox lost World Series on purpose for money and was banned for life. Pete Rose bet on his own team to win and was banned for life. Astros cheated for years and not one player suspended for one game. Pathetic, the Astros players involved need to be booed for the rest of their career. Rob Manfred needs to be fired and majors suspensions need to be dealt and World Series title and rings need to be taken.
I love the way mcafee does his promo
People in boats outside of every stadium waiting to catch homeruns lol...
Houston Asterisks, you have a problem
As guilty as the Astros are, it’s Manfred’s fault for NOT giving them a proper punishment smh. And he should resign as commissioner due to incompetence
I absolutely love the Astros cheating, because I’m a nats fans in Texas, and I get to rub in that we beat them 4 times at home in the World Series. Loving it.
Is sign stealing a bigger advantage than steroids? George Springer is the all time post season home run leader, so I’d say YES!
Take their World Series win from the record books
When I hear that one team "steals" the other teams signals, I have hard time seeing it as a fault of the team that intercepts the signals, instead I see it as failure of the team sending in concealing them. I always thought that one good way to prevent this would be to have the catcher NOT conceal his signs but have the pitcher also openly send a sign and go with the pitchers sign occasionally. This doubles the possibilities that have to be deciphered, decided on and relayed to the batter within the same time restraint. I am not sure of the legality of using electronic devices but imagine if the catchers mitt had an on/off switch in the thumb and then pressure activated buttons in each of the the fingers, these can be tiny. The pitcher could have micro actuators in each of the four fingers of his mitt. The catcher turns his on, sends a code using the 4 different buttons to the pitcher, which he receives through his mitt. He then nods when he understands, the catcher flips the switch back to "off" (preventing unintentional signals) and the pitch is sent. Repeat as necessary. Completely discreet, the electronics would easily be built into the gloves and no chance to be intercepted. Making them multi-frequency would make the signal much more difficult to "block" or intercept by the other team and MLB could actually assign frequencies and be able to monitor this as well. The NFL uses radios in the quarterbacks helmets in which verbal messages are sent and received and that is accepted as part of the game so I dont believe including electronics as described in MLB should be an issue at all and would completely eliminate the problem of "sign stealing" very simply.
Cheating is part of the game! If you aint cheating, you aint doing your job!
Bill Belichick taught the Astros all you know
Thought this was serious for a sec 🤣
@@pugonadrone976 it is serious. but it was originally said by Joe Montana not BB
The documentary about the Astros called One Outs was amazing
Wow I called to talk about this yesterday but y’all put me on hold for 7 minutes then ended the show thanks Tom
Mylez Guwop who cares?
Ominous02 did I ask you
Ominous02 4854 Leone dr pull tf up or stfu
My Friend jesus 💀
My Friend Imma check that out lol
The transition of the add and Pat talking is next level!!!!
I had no clue about the way of cheating they were doing....I just thought they were having a random guy chilling in the crowd with binoculars and it was somehow was transferred to the batter....having a robot buzz you to tell you what pitch is coming is absolutely insane.....I just want those body builders back that have hulk arms and just sending baseballs into orbit
They had electronic patches and cameras stealing signs
The buzzing isn’t proven yet, just speculation around the game (seems pretty likely though) the trash can thing he was talking about 100% happened though which is hilarious
Brandon Neely if you’re going to believe the accusations about the buzzer you also have to believe that Gleyber Torres was using a buzzer. He was also implicated by the fake Twitter account, this is conveniently ignored and not mentioned by Yankee fans and the media.
1080p120hz I don’t believe the twitter account, that’s why I said the buzzer isn’t proven. But I was hyped up about it all when I typed that (why i said it’s pretty likely) But MLB has come out and proven the trash can thing. That’s all I was on about.
Honestly for baseball I enjoy Triples, Stolen Bases, and golden glove moments more then just home runs. Ricky Henderson is an example of a player I loved.
Can we talk about how Trout found a “loophole” to take HGH?
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@@pogchamp9669 look it up ;)
Haven't watched or listen to BB in years. Once a great game to follow. Admired the natural talent and/or hard work at one time.
I’d like to see their home/road splits
As an Astros fan I definitely don't condone what they have done. However, you might be very surprised, if you go look at the stats from 2017 and 2018. Their road stats were much better then their home stats the past couple of year. But in 2019 they were a better home team. Which is what makes the 2019 playoffs and even the world series that much more anomalous, as the road team won every game in the 2019 world series. So the stats might be a little misleading regarding their obvious cheating in the 2017 season and perhaps beyond. To be frank, what they did was obvious and egregious fucking cheating and I hate it! Because their world series championship in 2017 is forever tainted. But amazingly and surprisingly over the past few years, offensively they have been a much better road team. But non-astros fans will take that for what its worth...….
@@Super911Truther
Altuve 1.057 ops at home in playoffs
.660 ops on road
@@Undertaker5579 they were most likely doing this during season also
Undertaker5579 Aaron Judge 2017 postseason home/road splits. Home .333/.462/.905 ~ Road .074/.194/.185
@@1080p120hz it's obvious they were cheating but there's more than likely more players and teams still to be revealed.
It wasn't so much knowing the pitch, but reading the sign to know the pitch and intended location for where the pitch is going to be thrown.
.......but Pete Rose is still banned for life. Free Rose ⚾️
Pat McAfee... speaker of truth.
“What’s your pop time?”
“1.8”
*everyone goes ohhh*
“I have no idea what that means”
Me either bro
Catcher to 2nd base throw
This is an awful situation.. I don't know if I can wear my ASTROS jersey anymore.
The crazy part is there’s more HR’s hit now then ever
Definitely I swear records was broken
Good point. A lot of it has to do with juiced baseballs now.
Jeff Go Juicy balls. Can I say that?
M. Kenyata lol yes you can
Yes it is. Steroids gives you an advantage in giving you a massive amount of hitting power and energy bursts, but knowing what pitches are coming completely destroys the game. With steroids you still have to have good hand-to-eye coordination to put the bat on the ball, but sign stealing is lowest of the low for integrity of the game. Guys like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Jose Conseco, and Mark McGwire were natural talents and didn’t even need to juice up. That’s the sad part about it. With or without being juiced they can hit home runs. Stealing pitch signals is pretty much pitching to yourself and that alternates the games. Not only did the Astros steal a World Series, but tons of pitchers were demoted to the minor leagues, opposing team players and management were broken up, awards were ripped from opposing players, etc. This is deeper than a World Series title. The Astros gave the MLB a massive black eye.
I know it’s a massive rant, but the Astros as of now is cancer to the game of Baseball. They aren’t even remorseful.
You do realize their have been more Home Runs hit this last year than in the steroids era
Players are bigger at every position and a change of batting philosophy. Everybody has uppercut swings. Also, whenever they build a new park, it has homerun friendly dimensions. All that and teams are cheatings.lol
Robert Saul Also the balls were tweaked a little bit
@@point1er and that right there is why this went the way it did. MLB tweaked the balls and openly admit it, that too is cheating. Some poor guy that's retired is gonna get passed on all time HR list due to this.
@@point1er yep. There was a time when teams had different hitting philosophies...now everybody hits 200 hrs.
Josh Sansoucie That’s not cheating tho...that’s changing the rules for everybody. As long as everybody was using the same ball, it’s not cheating...
The A's hit 260 Homer's as a team , most in franchise history , and the A's have had some power in there history. Also the Yanks & Twins hit a crazy amount of homers too
You dealing with multimillionaires it ain’t that far fetch 😭🤣 I’m sure they can afford the devices they all have 77 iPhones 39 homes 40 cars
The funniest thing about this whole situation was someone actually compared the numbers and the Astros hit worse at home, where they were cheating, than they did on the road
Trey Harris that was false lmao you simp
this paints an accurate picture for people in texas 😂🤣
in the 70's players were taking uppers because they were playing 1 to 3 double headers a week
These guys don't know baseball very well...the last few years of mlb have been repeatedly breaking total home runs for a season.
Because the balls are juiced
Wow look at how clean and kept together Pats desk is… a year makes a huge difference
Crazy that they actually hit better on the road than at home 😮
Hush, that doesn’t fit the narrative.
Have you seen Altuves home away splits in the playoffs?
Samuel Gipson have you seen Judges?
Altuve:
Home: .472 BA/.513 OBP/1.028 SLG/1.541 OPS, 17 H, 6 HR & 12 RBI
Away: .143 BA, .268 OBP, .229 SLG, .497 OPS, 5 H, 1 HR & 2 RBI
Does that fit YOUR narrative?
@@jomardel Do you have evidence that the yankees were cheating at any point in the last 5 yrs?Astros have already been punished for 2017....
2017 was a year for baseball. The major league home run record was set, crushed by a mile. 2018 & 2019 haven’t been any different, which is why it has become a lot more fun to watch recently. There is some pretty solid evidence against Altuve here, which leads me to wonder... why aren’t you player getting in any trouble? He clearly knew that was an unwritten rule, and that nobody would be okay with it.
Sounds like dr seuss book... "and his head grew 3 sizes that day"...
Bringing a sign that reads “BUZZ, High and Inside “ to games against the Astros
rip mlb
The biggest crime being committed is this guy's haircut!! " POLICE!!!!!! POLICE!!!!! POLICE!!!!!!""
American sports are dying quickly lol NFL rules and refs are garbage. Baseball rules and umps are making it impossible. Basketball isn't as exciting as it was early 2000s. It's not competitive just a shooting practice basically. Soccer is growing rapidly because of these other sports problems.
I like soccer cause they actually want goals to be meaningful.
To be fair NFL regular season games can end in a tie (don't agree with that) but also goals in soccer are meaningful by default cause most games there aren't many scored.
The comparison with the quarterback in middle linebacker in football is more like a situation where the pitcher and catcher would both have earbuds talking to each other
I love Pat but he has no idea what he’s talking about
This should be treated like the Black Sox issue brought to attention to us in Field of Dreams. CHEATING IS CHEATING
Theres so much cheating in baseball I just assumed every team was always stealing signs
thopkins22 so why is this one such a big deal? is it just the technology they got caught using?
Watch more vids. They almost always attack the jersey in the celebration. One with Bregman after the infield missed his popped fly and costed them the game in the 10th inning, you can clearly see his teammate trying to open up and dig into the jersey for something.
Dude, this is the best thing for baseball. I'm waiting for the opening pitch more than I have in years. If MLB gets this right, they'll rearrange the schedule so the first series of the season is Yankees vs Astros. Then Astros vs. Indians. This season will be EPIC!
The wires are telling me that they’ve used them up until they got caught. They did the bat and trash can but you can’t do that for long. I think they were wearing them in 2019.
My college coach would always say, “If you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin.”
Bring back steroids and I'll start watching again.
Every player should be banned for life , period .. next !!!
Yes. Definitely yes. Steroids were an individual thing, people largely knew about it, and it made the game fun. That era ended, and rightly so. The Astros not only cheated, but stole a World Series and MVP award from another team and another player. They destroyed the integrity of the game. The entire team was involved and even worse hardly any one was punished.
Completely agree, Most baseball fans would be lying if they told you they didn't enjoy 2000's baseball. Should just have a part of HOF dedicated to that era and all the players from it.
That’s extremely hard to be buzzed in and catch up to a 97 mph fastballs!!
It is worse and can you imagine if Bonds ,McGuire and Sosa knew what was coming....they would’ve hit 150 HRs a season.... the steroid era in MLB was actually great for fans and I loved it even though I don’t necessarily agree with it but it was definitely a great time in baseball
Considering that sign stealing including with the aid of technology has been going on for over 50 years constantly. I would have to say no. And it act like it's that big of a deal when it's just another layer of strategy to change your signs as just kind of silly