Helicoid (Helical) timing and accessory gears located in the back of the engine means that you have to drop the transmission in order to work on them ( $ 10,000 shop bill ) to change a $ 250 dollar gear. Remember the old Helical Gear ( Bull Gear ) on the 12.7 Detroits 60 series? That main "Bull gear" and bearing was a service item at 750,000 miles, or risk loosing and engine to a $ 75 bearing due to the normal stress on the angled helical timing gears. Cat and Cummins also have front timing gears. Only difference is that the timing gears on a series 60 are located in the front of the engine (A $10,000 difference). Then add all the electronics on this new truck. New disc brakes at $ 2000.00 per Wheel-End ( Four drives and two steers = $ 12,000 ) $ 5 - $7,000 Electronic Dealer Only Turbos. And corrosion on the wiring harnesses will EAT YOU ALIVE in shop repair fees. In one single repair, you will lose your shorts, everything you have saved in fuel in 2-3 years...And more !!! All new electronic trucks are the same, not just Volvo.
The front springs have apparently been tweaked, but the suspension is fundamentally the same. Meanwhile in Europe, the Volvo FH has had independent front suspension available for a decade. This is disappointing technically, but probably what the North American market wants.
I can understand how many don’t like Volvo. They stay true to Peterbuilt and freightliner…. But man once you drive a new Volvo lol. You start thinking dang these things are dialed in.
No need to reinvent the wheel, just make the previous platform more reliable and upgrade failure points. Instead of pushing out the same ol garbage until next gen. Owners want less electronic modules to have to pay for, not excessively more which are going to turn the dashboard to a christmas tree. Volvo higher ups need to take their heads out of their arses. 😂😂
Wish they would do more insulation on the cab itself to keep the engine heat and heat from the sun out of the interior. My 2023 volvo vnl860 gets ridiculously hot inside the cab on a hot florida summer day
Turbo Compounding a' la Curtiss-Wright R-3350. Had 3 of them-called PRT-Power Recovery Turbines. Sat in the exhaust stream & directed lost thru the exhaust power to the crankshaft via a fluid coupling.
@@ArikHarv Which tells me nothing, I want to know what they changed and why. Change is not always great, Gen 2 parts are and aftermarket parts are abundant. Now Gen 3 parts are becoming easy to acquire outside of dealership markups. Just in time for gen 4 to keep the parts and ownership costs up. Great.
More than 500-550 hp makes no economical sense whatsoever for a total weight of max 37 tons, that the majority of trucks in the US runs under. Don't you agree
Can't believe you boys still run at 37tonnes in England that's mid 90s weight. 44tonne is standard now and easily handled. P.s. get some reinforcements behind them shiny bumpers! They look sweet but nobody wants to lose a front axle when you tap a car.
doesn't matter, in most cases 500 does the job well enough. 780HP makes sense only for special transport with extra heavy cargo. If finnish regulations state that to haul 76 tonnes you only need 503hp, and it has been proven to work just fine in most fleets, any extra is technically not needed, it's nice to have that extra but unnecessary.
Most of those subsystems are on current production VNLs, they are relatively fault free. Most problems with collision avoidance systems arise from operator tampering
This ad is typical of Volvo truck. All glitz and glamor but NEVER do they address their Achilles heel that keeps them from mounting any serious breakthrough into the North American class 8 market....Reliability of their product and Availability of service and parts. I have owned and operating my own trucks for @ 25 years now and have yet to be swayed to get a Volvo. Their engineering is topnotch as far as safety, comfort & appearance ( especially the 2025 VNL) is concerned BUT I am not paid for how my iron looks but for how it produces ! The scarcity of Volvo service locations and questionable reliability is my biggest concern and in talking with other O/O this is a common and widespread issue. If not for these concerns I would get a VNL in a heartbeat. FYI.....
@@darrylrichardson1997 I spent 9 of my 22 years in Europe with the US Military and my Father in law is a truck driver in Germany,his Mercedes Benz Actros has no more technology than my Peterbilt 579 so what are you talking about as far as more technology,I don't see it in European trucks.
@@thebobcat1964compared to Peterbilt 579???? Kenworth more modern than shit germany!! And don't forget tiny toy truck erope never Same as Kenworth W900 or Peterbilt 389 or 359,
@@thebobcat1964And the 1970 Kenworth w900 is better and more durable than all the toy european trucks!!! big rig>>>>>>>european toy plastic remember volvo is not an american truck they are european and don't compare with Peterbilt because Peterbilt is much better than all European trucks!!! And I don't care what truck you drive!! because the strongest and most durable trucks are American trucks!! such as KW AND PETERBILT, You guys forgot that America DESTROYED NAZI GERMANY 1945 with KW AND PETERBILT trucks WITH DETROIT AND CUMMINS ENGINES 😅😅😅😅
Lol not having a 24 volt system until now? And americans sure have the audicity to say "american trucks have the same features ar3 eu ones"... noooo. Having a weak ass 12 volt system means that a lot of things cant be implementer and are weaker. The same wattage on 24 volts means better performance😊
automatic emergency breaking. stupidest thing these people are putting on trucks. try going under a underpass and the truck thinks its something in front of you and slams on the brakes on a icy road at 2 in the morning. happened to me
@@Rimrock300 Common sense. that engine bay is gonna be dusty and nasty. Not that it matters too much if it gets cleaned every once in a while, just gonna be annoying to pull stuff apart when there is grime and debris in every nook and corner.
yes it is. do you know what 18 miles per gallon would means for the price of goods. or let's say that savings was not passed on. this is a heck of a raise to a truck driver. an in many cases a small business. think with that extra money they can invest, more trucks, invest in stocks, bonds, property, or bank the money thereby increasing the amount of money banks can loan out, and lower the interest rates as banks compete for loan customers. Transportation of goods are an economy driver.
Transport costs has been very squezed for years. That's not where the big potential savings are. But sure, everything ads up. 10 to 18 mpg would been a big amount of money in itself, but those savings quickly eaten up by others and consumers would seen minimal to it. 18 mpg for diesel trucks is not of this world, put thats another story. @@gdotone1
ah. perhaps. or maybe there's been no real push on these engineers to make it happen. perhaps the approach to the problem is wrong. how about this. I want to move my 80,000 pounds 1000 miles for 100 dollars of fuel cost. so that allows for all sorts of innovation. 100/1000 so ten cents a mile. 3 dollars / 9 miles = .33 a mile. my thought 10,000 dollars for 100,000 miles. so if you run 100K a year with an making $ 2 a mile... 190K after fuel. think what 3.20 a mile brings in. 310K. 250 days. lol, 8 hours of driving a day, at 50 miles per hour. ah boy, that's almost enough.
After about 75,000 to 100,000 miles. I bet this new Volvo would in be the shop for sensors or emissions control or something else that as broken down, and or stop working. Old semi truck when proper maintained can prob run circles around any new truck. Sure new truck may get better mileage at first. But won’t matter if new trucks is sitting shop Cus emissions issues, or transmission issue or sensors has put truck in limp mode lol. New tech, more sensors, or computer chips and more emissions control, that slow chokes the the engine at some point. You’ll be forced to have that new truck hauled back to the shop with expensive repairs bill. Somebody need to do a test, take bran new semi truck off sales lot then take older rebuilt semi that has been fully fixed up. Then have both trucks do 50k miles/doing jobs and then see who’s still running. I bet old truck will be. 18 speed with CAT c15 6NZ or 3406e or c16. The old truck sure will have some issue. But new truck will be in shop before it even hits 30+k How know this. Cus there videos out there of companies selling new trucks and buying up old semi trucks instead. Cus they tired of def/ emissions issue/sensor issue. They tired new trucks always being in for repairs. Volvo should do old school long nose truck. Them ppl maybe more interested, they could still do some Air dynamics, and still look cool.
Some owner operators / smaller companies might can keep it going with older trucks with less electronics for a while. Sooner or later time will catch up, stricter emissions, customers demanding trucks 'not older than', autonomys driving and so on. Nothing lasts forever. To many fleet owners, older trucks is not an option
@@Rimrock300 youtube.com/@flintcreektransport?si=RKLBoRyTYMPY0W7U Is one company that has been selling off newer trucks and buying up older trucks. True not all there newer semi selling off. But they sold more then few.
Just another Joker that reads a script while showing manufacturer video and pictures. But he says he was one of the first in the world to drive one whatever... So where's all the video and pictures of you driving it buddy? What a liar
The 1950,s model driver,s are 100,000 % better than the young trash truck stop jockes that pretend to do this type of work that turn other driver,s equipment into the junk they drive by hitting it in the parking lot,s while leaving piss bottle,s and bag,s of shit on drive way even at shippers and reciever,s
@@xcqcarnage7323 European D13 goes to 540HP, above that it's a D16 up to 750, then the most recent is D17 with 780HP, cause gotta keep that dick measuring contest going with Scania.
I have a Volvo 2021 so picky truck always check engine light on air leak couplings too cheap always leaking Wheel Alignment always getting bad interior dashboard plastic looks like made in China even on a good road making noise behind engine top gasket most Volvos has oil leak My next truck I prefer Freightliner Cascadia I used to to drive 10,000 times better than Volvo truckers my message for you don’t buy Volvo 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@AlexKall Change ? Nothing, keep everything same with just little modifications and better quality material. If you know previous 860 living area then you should know what I am talking about.They literally cut the sizes of everything including table and diner seats plus 70% storage is gone in this new model.
Paid off 2019 T680 owner here. It's a piece of shit. Unfortunately, Freightliner and Volvo are infinitely better trucks. ESPECIALLY if you're an owner operator like me. I wasn't dumb enough to actually buy it myself, but it was from finishing a lease program. I'm looking to get out of it ASAP now that it's been paid off. There's no amount of "Oh well you don't have any truck payments anymore" when you own a Paccar that is constantly shitting the bed at LESS than a quarter of a million miles. That's fucking pathetic for a semi truck.
Helicoid (Helical) timing and accessory gears located in the back of the engine means that you have
to drop the transmission in order to work on them ( $ 10,000 shop bill ) to change a $ 250 dollar gear.
Remember the old Helical Gear ( Bull Gear ) on the 12.7 Detroits 60 series?
That main "Bull gear" and bearing was a service item at 750,000 miles, or risk loosing and engine to
a $ 75 bearing due to the normal stress on the angled helical timing gears. Cat and Cummins also have front timing gears.
Only difference is that the timing gears on a series 60 are located in the front of the engine (A $10,000 difference).
Then add all the electronics on this new truck.
New disc brakes at $ 2000.00 per Wheel-End ( Four drives and two steers = $ 12,000 )
$ 5 - $7,000 Electronic Dealer Only Turbos.
And corrosion on the wiring harnesses will EAT YOU ALIVE in shop repair fees.
In one single repair, you will lose your shorts, everything you have saved in fuel in 2-3 years...And more !!!
All new electronic trucks are the same, not just Volvo.
Шикарный авто! Просто шедевр, инженерной мысли!
The front springs have apparently been tweaked, but the suspension is fundamentally the same. Meanwhile in Europe, the Volvo FH has had independent front suspension available for a decade. This is disappointing technically, but probably what the North American market wants.
Look amazing! Volvo one another step în front of all.
I can understand how many don’t like Volvo. They stay true to Peterbuilt and freightliner…. But man once you drive a new Volvo lol. You start thinking dang these things are dialed in.
For about 50k miles and then you have 5 recall letters and a check engine light
@@mcsnowman11 my families has 450k with regular maintenance. No major issues I’ve heard of.
'volvos are too comfortable, buhu..huuuu, only for girls buhuuhuhu'
there is no world outside usa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No need to reinvent the wheel, just make the previous platform more reliable and upgrade failure points. Instead of pushing out the same ol garbage until next gen. Owners want less electronic modules to have to pay for, not excessively more which are going to turn the dashboard to a christmas tree. Volvo higher ups need to take their heads out of their arses. 😂😂
Ain’t it the way these days ? Everything overcomplicated and when it breaks it’s either unfixable or costs an arm and a leg -
All truckes are the same electronic wise
Thats actually a pretty sweet looking truck! I still prefer the retro design, but this VNL isn't bad.
Wish they would do more insulation on the cab itself to keep the engine heat and heat from the sun out of the interior. My 2023 volvo vnl860 gets ridiculously hot inside the cab on a hot florida summer day
Turbo Compounding a' la Curtiss-Wright R-3350. Had 3 of them-called PRT-Power Recovery Turbines. Sat in the exhaust stream & directed lost thru the exhaust power to the crankshaft via a fluid coupling.
Amazing all your models; excellent work VOLVO America!
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0:16 I wish they stuck to "European approach". Adopting to US market is a downgrade (they actually use it for cost-cutting)
Hi guys I m truck driver with over sixteen years of experience the Volvo is best truck in ruwnd word and scanina
Nice , Nice, 👍 Volvo VNL 😊😊
Красавчик👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Que padre camion saco volvo...lastima que no tengo para comparme el mio..saludos.
Exitos desde Guadalajara
Can you get this with a 13 Speed Rd. ranger
Wow this must be something new for Americans
So insurance will be lower now with all those safety features, right?
That is so cute.
I love Volvo semi trucks 👍🏼
VERY NICE
The safety features on these trucks is dangerous..it automatically slows down when the radar/camera catches an off ramp speed!!
Looks like a moving house with tech.
Looks like the engine is buried further back which will make it harder to work on.
The new d13 engine is a new color heck that’s 5% better mpg by itself
Don't they have the bigger engines like the 16LTR engines? Would go good with the 750hp motor
They just unveiled an even bigger 17-liter to one-up Scania
@@DMTruckSpotting that would be the 780
Demand too low for D16/D17.
Not a single close look at the suspension or under the cab/behind the facia. Suppose they didn't change anything there.
The model is rebuilt from scratch
@@ArikHarv Which tells me nothing, I want to know what they changed and why.
Change is not always great, Gen 2 parts are and aftermarket parts are abundant. Now Gen 3 parts are becoming easy to acquire outside of dealership markups. Just in time for gen 4 to keep the parts and ownership costs up. Great.
Getting parts for them will be a mess
Ur right more voltage never hurt electronics
How's the electrical herd The electrical for volvo's wasn't good lots of trouble with them
Seems like these trucks are going to be good 🤷
10% more regens
So they have smaller sleepers now wow that sucks
And here in the EU Volvo has D17 engine makes 780HP 😊😊😊
More than 500-550 hp makes no economical sense whatsoever for a total weight of max 37 tons, that the majority of trucks in the US runs under. Don't you agree
Horsepower = fuel. Just ask my CAT C15 at 850hp. 😊😊😊
Can't believe you boys still run at 37tonnes in England that's mid 90s weight. 44tonne is standard now and easily handled. P.s. get some reinforcements behind them shiny bumpers! They look sweet but nobody wants to lose a front axle when you tap a car.
doesn't matter, in most cases 500 does the job well enough. 780HP makes sense only for special transport with extra heavy cargo. If finnish regulations state that to haul 76 tonnes you only need 503hp, and it has been proven to work just fine in most fleets, any extra is technically not needed, it's nice to have that extra but unnecessary.
Different countries different situations and circumstances...
10% more fuel efficient, 300% less mechanically reliable in long run.
u smoke funny stuff?
Can you explain your reasoning?
Price?
Why don't you contact your nearest dealer
@@Rimrock300 203,000.00
I like Volvo but they don’t have v8s like scania I drive a 2023 Scania 770s it’s the best truck I’ve ever driven I’ll take 770hp all day every day
I do like the bed
For Every tech feature you list I just think, another check engine light 💡
Most of those subsystems are on current production VNLs, they are relatively fault free. Most problems with collision avoidance systems arise from operator tampering
This ad is typical of Volvo truck. All glitz and glamor but NEVER do they address their Achilles heel that keeps them from mounting any serious breakthrough into the North American class 8 market....Reliability of their product and Availability of service and parts. I have owned and operating my own trucks for @ 25 years now and have yet to be swayed to get a Volvo. Their engineering is topnotch as far as safety, comfort & appearance ( especially the 2025 VNL) is concerned BUT I am not paid for how my iron looks but for how it produces ! The scarcity of Volvo service locations and questionable reliability is my biggest concern and in talking with other O/O this is a common and widespread issue. If not for these concerns I would get a VNL in a heartbeat. FYI.....
All I need to know can you get this with a 10 speed or a 13 speed?
It should be already a hybrid powertrain , but still only diesel ....
Volvo are telling lies , we've had a lot of that technology in Europe for 7 years 😂 Great truck though Volvo 👍🏻😁
Like what,or maybe you're lieing😂.
@@thebobcat1964he’s not the start button and the digital cluster even hybrid semi trucks been in Europe for some time now
@@darrylrichardson1997 I spent 9 of my 22 years in Europe with the US Military and my Father in law is a truck driver in Germany,his Mercedes Benz Actros has no more technology than my Peterbilt 579 so what are you talking about as far as more technology,I don't see it in European trucks.
@@thebobcat1964compared to Peterbilt 579???? Kenworth more modern than shit germany!! And don't forget tiny toy truck erope never Same as Kenworth W900 or Peterbilt 389 or 359,
@@thebobcat1964And the 1970 Kenworth w900 is better and more durable than all the toy european trucks!!! big rig>>>>>>>european toy plastic remember volvo is not an american truck they are european and don't compare with Peterbilt because Peterbilt is much better than all European trucks!!! And I don't care what truck you drive!! because the strongest and most durable trucks are American trucks!! such as KW AND PETERBILT, You guys forgot that America DESTROYED NAZI GERMANY 1945 with KW AND PETERBILT trucks WITH DETROIT AND CUMMINS ENGINES 😅😅😅😅
✔️ 🇺🇸
I don't really like the shape of the grill
It's ugly
alright, waiting American Truck Simulator to update.
Todd Centanni
be nice if trucks start having rear view camera for blind parking
Lol not having a 24 volt system until now? And americans sure have the audicity to say "american trucks have the same features ar3 eu ones"... noooo. Having a weak ass 12 volt system means that a lot of things cant be implementer and are weaker. The same wattage on 24 volts means better performance😊
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10% more check engine. 😂😂😂
automatic emergency breaking. stupidest thing these people are putting on trucks. try going under a underpass and the truck thinks its something in front of you and slams on the brakes on a icy road at 2 in the morning. happened to me
All those extra vents are going to let a lot of dirt lot of mud into the engine compartment
Evidence?
@@Rimrock300 Common sense. that engine bay is gonna be dusty and nasty. Not that it matters too much if it gets cleaned every once in a while, just gonna be annoying to pull stuff apart when there is grime and debris in every nook and corner.
At last 24v syztem...😊
Volvo vnl trucks a la al barsha south
The cab over design Scania truck is a better vehicle
these big rigs by now should be at 18 miles to the gallon. 10 mpg is killing the economies around the world.
Transport costs is just a small part in the big picture, and not killing any economy. Sorry.
yes it is. do you know what 18 miles per gallon would means for the price of goods. or let's say that savings was not passed on. this is a heck of a raise to a truck driver. an in many cases a small business. think with that extra money they can invest, more trucks, invest in stocks, bonds, property, or bank the money thereby increasing the amount of money banks can loan out, and lower the interest rates as banks compete for loan customers. Transportation of goods are an economy driver.
Transport costs has been very squezed for years. That's not where the big potential savings are. But sure, everything ads up. 10 to 18 mpg would been a big amount of money in itself, but those savings quickly eaten up by others and consumers would seen minimal to it. 18 mpg for diesel trucks is not of this world, put thats another story. @@gdotone1
@@gdotone1 I don't think you understand how weight works and how much power it actually takes to move 80,000
ah. perhaps. or maybe there's been no real push on these engineers to make it happen. perhaps the approach to the problem is wrong. how about this. I want to move my 80,000 pounds 1000 miles for 100 dollars of fuel cost. so that allows for all sorts of innovation. 100/1000 so ten cents a mile.
3 dollars / 9 miles = .33 a mile. my thought 10,000 dollars for 100,000 miles. so if you run 100K a year with an making $ 2 a mile... 190K after fuel. think what 3.20 a mile brings in. 310K. 250 days. lol, 8 hours of driving a day, at 50 miles per hour. ah boy, that's almost enough.
Bet a otr spec truck is $300k!
only about 240ish, very spendy
After about 75,000 to 100,000 miles. I bet this new Volvo would in be the shop for sensors or emissions control or something else that as broken down, and or stop working. Old semi truck when proper maintained can prob run circles around any new truck. Sure new truck may get better mileage at first. But won’t matter if new trucks is sitting shop Cus emissions issues, or transmission issue or sensors has put truck in limp mode lol.
New tech, more sensors, or computer chips and more emissions control, that slow chokes the the engine at some point. You’ll be forced to have that new truck hauled back to the shop with expensive repairs bill.
Somebody need to do a test, take bran new semi truck off sales lot then take older rebuilt semi that has been fully fixed up. Then have both trucks do 50k miles/doing jobs and then see who’s still running. I bet old truck will be. 18 speed with CAT c15 6NZ or 3406e or c16.
The old truck sure will have some issue. But new truck will be in shop before it even hits 30+k
How know this. Cus there videos out there of companies selling new trucks and buying up old semi trucks instead. Cus they tired of def/ emissions issue/sensor issue. They tired new trucks always being in for repairs.
Volvo should do old school long nose truck. Them ppl maybe more interested, they could still do some Air dynamics, and still look cool.
Some owner operators / smaller companies might can keep it going with older trucks with less electronics for a while. Sooner or later time will catch up, stricter emissions, customers demanding trucks 'not older than', autonomys driving and so on. Nothing lasts forever. To many fleet owners, older trucks is not an option
@@Rimrock300
youtube.com/@flintcreektransport?si=RKLBoRyTYMPY0W7U
Is one company that has been selling off newer trucks and buying up older trucks. True not all there newer semi selling off. But they sold more then few.
Yes, one find such examples of temporary solutions @@SireDragonChester
Lost me at auto braking
Hope it Can make 6% downgrade without help of low gear.
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10% bigger
I watched the video too much technology. no likey
Just another Joker that reads a script while showing manufacturer video and pictures.
But he says he was one of the first in the world to drive one whatever... So where's all the video and pictures of you driving it buddy? What a liar
Check engine light. $5 k to fix it if you’re lucky. POS trucks
Like this country the trucking industry is LOST
No manual? This would do well with an 18 speed EF
It would be but this stupid epa wants these trucks to be efficient as possible
No it wouldn’t the I shift is far superior to a manual
@@xcqcarnage7323 basically setting us up to fall asleep around the wheel
Real truckers needs lots of gears and a long stick, to be left with a properly runied shoulder at retirement age.
@@Paj3Ron If you need to fondle a stick to keep awake, you should probably seek a professional that can help you sleep better.
How swede it is !
Tornado ie turbulence ie drag what brains move truck closer to the trailer
Volvo fuck that not a real truck
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All those inlets r just bug buckets
Total pain in the ass to clean out as well...
This design is hideous
Yet a 1996 International is 250% more reliable than this junk..
The 1950,s model driver,s are 100,000 % better than the young trash truck stop jockes that pretend to do this type of work that turn other driver,s equipment into the junk they drive by hitting it in the parking lot,s while leaving piss bottle,s and bag,s of shit on drive way even at shippers and reciever,s
International's are junk. Always have been
Plastic junk. I had one
D13 with 500 hp...no way and the cost $250000
Same engine as the Volvo 60t haulers I believe.
Volco's D13 goes up to 540hp, good engines
@@muckle8dk about that but the European type are around 560-700hp and cost way less than the American variant
@xcqcarnage7323 I wonder why that is, less toys maybe?
@@xcqcarnage7323 European D13 goes to 540HP, above that it's a D16 up to 750, then the most recent is D17 with 780HP, cause gotta keep that dick measuring contest going with Scania.
Que feo
Since 2008 Volvo can't be efficient any more 😅
I have a Volvo 2021 so picky truck always check engine light on air leak couplings too cheap always leaking Wheel Alignment always getting bad interior dashboard plastic looks like made in China even on a good road making noise behind engine top gasket most Volvos has oil leak My next truck I prefer Freightliner Cascadia I used to to drive 10,000 times better than Volvo truckers my message for you don’t buy Volvo 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
Living area is FIASCO👎🏻 whoever says otherwise never spent 1 day in a VNL 860 old design.
What would you change?
@@AlexKall Change ? Nothing, keep everything same with just little modifications and better quality material.
If you know previous 860 living area then you should know what I am talking about.They literally cut the sizes of everything including table and diner seats plus 70% storage is gone in this new model.
kenwort t 680💪💪🇺🇸
No comparison.... the ride is much much better than a crappie kenworth suspension ....
Paid off 2019 T680 owner here. It's a piece of shit. Unfortunately, Freightliner and Volvo are infinitely better trucks. ESPECIALLY if you're an owner operator like me. I wasn't dumb enough to actually buy it myself, but it was from finishing a lease program. I'm looking to get out of it ASAP now that it's been paid off. There's no amount of "Oh well you don't have any truck payments anymore" when you own a Paccar that is constantly shitting the bed at LESS than a quarter of a million miles. That's fucking pathetic for a semi truck.
That’s is the ugliest thing since the t2000
Ugliest truck ever ...
100%
No that was YOUR reflection in the paint that was the ugly part you saw 😂😂😂😂
What do you own that's so pretty ?
That's your face actually