Keep the videos coming. We're learning a lot! I have a built ALH (now a 2.0) with an 11mm manual pump in front of a GM 700R4 with a 241C transfer case. I had to put in a 2600 rpm stall converter to let the engine spool quicker on the bottom end. Huge difference. I found the foot brake stall speeds in a VW manual back from when they were running torque converters.. I was surprised to see that they were that high. But, It really woke it up. I'm still running a K03/K04 hybrid from my previous build. I've been following to see what you come up with on the turbo setup. Keep up the good work!
Ya the aw4 not having aftermarket torque converters definitely limits my options here, I'm planning a 4l60 for my next build just for torque converter options
Since you are doubling the power of the engine you may need to double the size of the oil cooler. Then use the coldest thermostat you can find. A little to cool will live, a little to hot won't . I love your videos,and your camera man did a great job along with commentary.
time for an overbore and bigger pistons! I run 220-240F in my 65000lbs VW Westfalia. But I never go past 1200F on my EGTs. I had a K14 and was doing 21psi and loved it. Went to a GT2052 and can do 15-17easy past that I get heat. Coolant temps and EGT/IATs are your biggest. Maybe oil-temps if you're a brick like me (I put a 2.0TDI O/C on my setup).
How does a GT22V from a sprinter van fit in the line up? I see Oliver Fetter spooling one with a home brew VGT controller. It looks like it may be between your 2 turbo sizes? I don’t know if that’s an option, and it’s hard to size turbos from my side of the internet. But I like what you’re doing with these engines and it looks like there should be a turbo between the 2 you showcased in this video.
Oh wow! That’s good to know. Maybe you do need a slightly smaller turbo since you’re running an automatic transmission. I noticed that ford, with the thunderbird turbo coupe in the ‘80s, had a smaller turbo on the automatic cars than the manual trans cars. So maybe a smaller turbo will help since you can’t slip the clutch to get in boost. I look forward to what your outcome is!
@beardotapeshoes27 ya using an automatic like a Chevy 4l60 gives you much more options for torque converters so you can slip wherever you want, that's my plan for the next build. 2600+ RPM slip would put me at full torque taking off 😁
I really wanna put a TDI in my Tahoe, so I am letting you do the research to see what moves something like that first lol. I think the compound turbo setup is the way to go.
2:39 230 is wild!!!!! Especially at those egt’s I can’t believe u got it that hot!😂 my modern TDI gets a warped head at like 215🤣 if u wanna get a smaller turbo try looking at the 2L TDI Passats!! They are rated around 150-170hp if you can get one of their turbos for cheap that may keep u settled and happy for a low price!! :)
Just to double down on this i own a BHW and it is tuned and running with higher turbo pressures lower temp thermostat as well as a 2006 jetta tdi rad intercooler combo and she claps like half a 6L powerstroke under full load i love it and not to mention i cable pulled a 2017 ford superduty and i was able to go 118 KMH
I'm already at 5.13s 😬 fighting driveline vibrations spinning it 65% faster than stock as it is. I think 2700-2900 on the highway is decent, tuning and turbo changes should get my EGTs into a safer zone
@@TDISwaps yeah you are in the right direction the old turbo was suited for 4k+ rpm you need max boost down low. I have a 17-22 on my golf and its is really well rounded
I had the chance to talk to Jonathan Erber about his ALH Dakota and got quite a bit of insight about doing one of these swaps. I think a Dakota swap project would be sweet but what are your thoughts on doing a tdi swap in 3rd Gen Ram 1500 crew cab (02-08)? From my research the 241d transfer case in those 1500s’ has the same 23 spline count as a dodge Dakota 233d transfer case, but the biggest issue I see is the weight and the different type of wiring that I think is slightly more complex than these Dakotas. What are your thoughts on it? Your the only person I know of that has managed to pull of a tdi swap in a 1/2 ton truck.
Haha yup Jonathan did a great job on his keeping it mostly original, mine is more of a full size truck than a Dakota anymore. It literally weighs 600 lbs more than the 91 k1500, almost the same as a ram 1500. It will move one fine as long as you know the limits, AC and over 70 mph is probably not an option when it's over 100° outside. I wouldn't try it in a hot climate, the engine is just working too hard to worry about excess heat. At 65° outside my 5500 lb Dakota pulls my 4500 lb boat pretty decent at 55-60 mph. But over 100° outside and too many hills it's struggling to keep cool just moving itself, and I'm running cooling system components similar to my 6.4 powerstroke lol.
@@TDISwaps do you think a BEW setup would preform better rather than an ALH? I know the common rail BEWs’ act differently from the ALHs’. Or does it not even matter what tdi is chosen simply because of the size of the truck it would have to push around? I managed to come across a NSG-370 6 speed so it has the really tall first gear to help it start rolling along. However it seems like EGTs are a consistent issue I run into when planning things out .
Honestly looking at all these tdis there's really no difference even in the new 2.0l, stronger internals yes but they're all still limited by cooling system components and overall displacement. Making short bursts of power is one thing but there are not many people trying to hold V8 power numbers for extended periods of time, and I'm definitely proving that there's just a limit for it.
I’ve got a BEW project that I’m starting soon and putting into my 68 Baja bug. I think this helped me decide to keep the stock turbo… I think my VW gearbox will explode before anything else.😂
where are you getting motors from, I have one for my swap but would like an extra one for a backup if it blows to keep the vehicle in service while repairing the other one having a hard time finding a second engine and had to wait a year for the current one to pop up at the junk yard
Would there be something gained by going with a 3.0 TDI instead of the 1.9? I would think it might run at lower RPM and cooler over all. Of course the 3.0 is a different animal with other considerations, but I wonder if you’ve looked at the larger V6 TDI. Alternately an older Benz inline 6? **Edited to correct typo**
@@TDISwaps @TDISwaps the non gated baby h1c is like a 45mm inducer wheel, I know these are popular to put on japanese gas vehicles (eclipse) and the 617.952 mercedes engines... Still too big for a tdi? The 171270 is a quicker spool baby H1C (non gated).
@joeyscleaninglady2877 ya TDIs need boost ASAP, 1500 rpm or sooner, most of those size turbo don't spool til way over 2000 making the bottom end unless. I'm not familiar with that one specifically, but both the h1c and hx30 don't spool up until way over 3000 rpm
Hey I like your videos but the audio needs some editing. For instance in this one, your voice is super quiet and the winch/engine lift is really loud; I find myself having to adjust the volume a lot. Some audio compression can reduce the big differences and make it easier to watch your videos. Audacity is a really easy to use and free program, highly recommend it. Anyways best of luck on the build, looking forward to more videos
Thanks for the feedback man! Ya I know I don't do much editing at all and it could use some work, I will keep it in mind as I continue to get more stuff out for sure
There's a lot of variables to temperatures, no boost idling in the mountains I have pushed it to 250° without blowing a head gasket, but the Dakota cracked the piston at less than 230° coolant when combined with 1400+ EGTs. So it becomes a balancing game at that point.
Ehhh, you're making me think about my Project car... I have the .592 02Z gearset in it with a heavier thermostat. Gets hammered on mild injectors and injection 1600-1800 rpm on highway all day. Edit: I can go on about the ALH all day, I've spent more time under than driving them lol. Mind me asking, where did you have the timing and fueling set?
As long as coolant temps are in check under 200, I have run into the 1800 egt range without any affect on my pistons. It's only combined temps that lead to this.
@@TDISwaps Sorry I edited my comment as I was watching, deleted once you talked about it. I'll re-ask a question, "where did you have the timing and IQ on VCDS?" Did you tune or advance timing on a north american stock tune? Edit2: looking at your piston heads id guess youre running closer to stock?
@@TDISwaps Ahh, I always thought .216s / DLC 1019s were at the upper end of safe. But the "Green line" just sets the timing "window" the pump operates at, not the actual injection timing. North American stock tune runs timing retarded (by ALOT) for emissions. Even at idle the base map should be at least 4' BTDC and up from there with rpm / rest of the map. Not advancing the timing your EGTs WILL be higher. (worth googling the subject) Advancing the timing had a major positive impact with my project car. I talked with Mr Bosio once and he mentioned the same problem with people throwing in too much fuel without getting the timing right. It was dizzying how much he had to say on the subject because oh how much has to line up to get everything to work right in such a small timeframe, even the quality of the fuel in different places throwing the timing off chemically / flame speed. Apparently American diesel is shit compared to overseas / Europe standards.
@RW1LD well my tuning is very customized and timing advances a lot with fueling. I'm not too good at all that stuff but my tuner has it set up pretty well. Although this tune was probably an issue as we hadn't finished it due to the turbo acting up and trying to adjust fueling and boost for it.
Keep the videos coming. We're learning a lot! I have a built ALH (now a 2.0) with an 11mm manual pump in front of a GM 700R4 with a 241C transfer case. I had to put in a 2600 rpm stall converter to let the engine spool quicker on the bottom end. Huge difference. I found the foot brake stall speeds in a VW manual back from when they were running torque converters.. I was surprised to see that they were that high. But, It really woke it up. I'm still running a K03/K04 hybrid from my previous build. I've been following to see what you come up with on the turbo setup.
Keep up the good work!
Ya the aw4 not having aftermarket torque converters definitely limits my options here, I'm planning a 4l60 for my next build just for torque converter options
Definitely more videos, watching as a new subscriber man, love learning, all new to me, schooling,
Glad to hear it!
cant wait to see the compound set up.
I wish I was doing it right away, but I kind of want to test the 1549 first haha
More videos, please this is fun when it’s not my money. I love watching you go.
Haha glad to help!
Thanks for another Video!! Great job!
Thanks man!
Since you are doubling the power of the engine you may need to double the size of the oil cooler. Then use the coldest thermostat you can find. A little to cool will live, a little to hot won't . I love your videos,and your camera man did a great job along with commentary.
Thanks man, yeah I usually monitor oil temp and as long as my coolant temp was low the oil temp was fine
Cool! Thanks for all the Great info. Good video!
Thanks for watching!
time for an overbore and bigger pistons! I run 220-240F in my 65000lbs VW Westfalia. But I never go past 1200F on my EGTs. I had a K14 and was doing 21psi and loved it. Went to a GT2052 and can do 15-17easy past that I get heat. Coolant temps and EGT/IATs are your biggest. Maybe oil-temps if you're a brick like me (I put a 2.0TDI O/C on my setup).
Yup you know the temp limits! CR Oil cooler is in the cart 😁
Just found your Chanel fellow Wyomingite currently rippin the jetta. Im really liking these swaps. Im thinking a nice ford danger ranger.
Oh ya those make excellent swaps!
How does a GT22V from a sprinter van fit in the line up? I see Oliver Fetter spooling one with a home brew VGT controller. It looks like it may be between your 2 turbo sizes? I don’t know if that’s an option, and it’s hard to size turbos from my side of the internet. But I like what you’re doing with these engines and it looks like there should be a turbo between the 2 you showcased in this video.
The gt22 is even bigger than my gtd2056, that's the size I run on my Toyota. They spool up around 2400 RPM
Oh wow! That’s good to know. Maybe you do need a slightly smaller turbo since you’re running an automatic transmission. I noticed that ford, with the thunderbird turbo coupe in the ‘80s, had a smaller turbo on the automatic cars than the manual trans cars. So maybe a smaller turbo will help since you can’t slip the clutch to get in boost. I look forward to what your outcome is!
@beardotapeshoes27 ya using an automatic like a Chevy 4l60 gives you much more options for torque converters so you can slip wherever you want, that's my plan for the next build. 2600+ RPM slip would put me at full torque taking off 😁
That would be the best of both auto and manual worlds!
@beardotapeshoes27 exactly!
I really wanna put a TDI in my Tahoe, so I am letting you do the research to see what moves something like that first lol. I think the compound turbo setup is the way to go.
Working on it! Pushing them hard is definitely looking like more than the stock water pump can handle
@@TDISwapsmaybe an electric water pump setup?
@MegamanEXEv2 exactly, they use them on drag racers
2:39 230 is wild!!!!! Especially at those egt’s I can’t believe u got it that hot!😂 my modern TDI gets a warped head at like 215🤣 if u wanna get a smaller turbo try looking at the 2L TDI Passats!! They are rated around 150-170hp if you can get one of their turbos for cheap that may keep u settled and happy for a low price!! :)
Ya these old ones can sure take some abuse lol, I will probably need more than the 2.0 turbo on its own though. This thing is heavy!
Just to double down on this i own a BHW and it is tuned and running with higher turbo pressures lower temp thermostat as well as a 2006 jetta tdi rad intercooler combo and she claps like half a 6L powerstroke under full load i love it and not to mention i cable pulled a 2017 ford superduty and i was able to go 118 KMH
@Iceyman741 oh for sure man, these things are animals!
Might try speed of air pistons..it would help with heat in the oil and heat on the pistons
Yeah I looked into them a little, not making them for the 1.9 yet but it sucks they would cost more than the whole build lol
Unstoppable
Almost 😂
have you thought about re-gear a little higher ratio to keep the rpms up? glad nothing too serious but still crazy the piston cracked !
I'm already at 5.13s 😬 fighting driveline vibrations spinning it 65% faster than stock as it is. I think 2700-2900 on the highway is decent, tuning and turbo changes should get my EGTs into a safer zone
@@TDISwaps yeah you are in the right direction the old turbo was suited for 4k+ rpm you need max boost down low. I have a 17-22 on my golf and its is really well rounded
Melted piston I bet. I'll keep watching to see.
Pretty clean crack not much melting but definitely too hot
I had the chance to talk to Jonathan Erber about his ALH Dakota and got quite a bit of insight about doing one of these swaps. I think a Dakota swap project would be sweet but what are your thoughts on doing a tdi swap in 3rd Gen Ram 1500 crew cab (02-08)?
From my research the 241d transfer case in those 1500s’ has the same 23 spline count as a dodge Dakota 233d transfer case, but the biggest issue I see is the weight and the different type of wiring that I think is slightly more complex than these Dakotas.
What are your thoughts on it? Your the only person I know of that has managed to pull of a tdi swap in a 1/2 ton truck.
Haha yup Jonathan did a great job on his keeping it mostly original, mine is more of a full size truck than a Dakota anymore. It literally weighs 600 lbs more than the 91 k1500, almost the same as a ram 1500. It will move one fine as long as you know the limits, AC and over 70 mph is probably not an option when it's over 100° outside. I wouldn't try it in a hot climate, the engine is just working too hard to worry about excess heat. At 65° outside my 5500 lb Dakota pulls my 4500 lb boat pretty decent at 55-60 mph. But over 100° outside and too many hills it's struggling to keep cool just moving itself, and I'm running cooling system components similar to my 6.4 powerstroke lol.
@@TDISwaps do you think a BEW setup would preform better rather than an ALH? I know the common rail BEWs’ act differently from the ALHs’. Or does it not even matter what tdi is chosen simply because of the size of the truck it would have to push around?
I managed to come across a NSG-370 6 speed so it has the really tall first gear to help it start rolling along. However it seems like EGTs are a consistent issue I run into when planning things out .
Honestly looking at all these tdis there's really no difference even in the new 2.0l, stronger internals yes but they're all still limited by cooling system components and overall displacement. Making short bursts of power is one thing but there are not many people trying to hold V8 power numbers for extended periods of time, and I'm definitely proving that there's just a limit for it.
@@TDISwaps that’s a good point, I guess the saying is true “there’s no replacement for displacement.” Once again I appreciate the advice👍
I’ve got a BEW project that I’m starting soon and putting into my 68 Baja bug. I think this helped me decide to keep the stock turbo… I think my VW gearbox will explode before anything else.😂
Ya they really are torque monsters 😁
Vw bug tranny soup?
where are you getting motors from, I have one for my swap but would like an extra one for a backup if it blows to keep the vehicle in service while repairing the other one
having a hard time finding a second engine and had to wait a year for the current one to pop up at the junk yard
Just Facebook marketplace shopping, I find a sweet deal about once a year or so
@@TDISwaps how much do you usually pay for a motor?
@JohnSmith-tj5se just depends, if I wait long enough I always find the cars for $400-1500
@@TDISwaps right on man, I like your electronic winch imma have to rig something like that up
@JohnSmith-tj5se yeah I need to rig a battery up other than the vehicles but it works pretty slick other than that the wireless remote is awesome
Mo' videos = mo' better!
Sounds good!
Would there be something gained by going with a 3.0 TDI instead of the 1.9? I would think it might run at lower RPM and cooler over all. Of course the 3.0 is a different animal with other considerations, but I wonder if you’ve looked at the larger V6 TDI. Alternately an older Benz inline 6? **Edited to correct typo**
The problem is there aren't adapters to mate the 3.0 to all the transmissions like the 1.9. That and the tuning/wiring is much much more complicated
Would this be a good candidate for straight water injection?
It definitely could have helped, I'm probably looking into it if I want to try run in that hot of conditions again
wonder how the borgwarner 171270 would do on this as a single turbo setup. Best of both worlds between a H1c and hx30
Much too big for a TDI, even a small 4bt turbo like he200 doesn't make boost until close to 2000 RPM. Or are you meaning for compounds?
@@TDISwaps @TDISwaps the non gated baby h1c is like a 45mm inducer wheel, I know these are popular to put on japanese gas vehicles (eclipse) and the 617.952 mercedes engines... Still too big for a tdi? The 171270 is a quicker spool baby H1C (non gated).
@joeyscleaninglady2877 ya TDIs need boost ASAP, 1500 rpm or sooner, most of those size turbo don't spool til way over 2000 making the bottom end unless. I'm not familiar with that one specifically, but both the h1c and hx30 don't spool up until way over 3000 rpm
Hey I like your videos but the audio needs some editing. For instance in this one, your voice is super quiet and the winch/engine lift is really loud; I find myself having to adjust the volume a lot. Some audio compression can reduce the big differences and make it easier to watch your videos. Audacity is a really easy to use and free program, highly recommend it. Anyways best of luck on the build, looking forward to more videos
Thanks for the feedback man! Ya I know I don't do much editing at all and it could use some work, I will keep it in mind as I continue to get more stuff out for sure
What is max water temp on theses engines
There's a lot of variables to temperatures, no boost idling in the mountains I have pushed it to 250° without blowing a head gasket, but the Dakota cracked the piston at less than 230° coolant when combined with 1400+ EGTs. So it becomes a balancing game at that point.
Ehhh, you're making me think about my Project car... I have the .592 02Z gearset in it with a heavier thermostat. Gets hammered on mild injectors and injection 1600-1800 rpm on highway all day.
Edit: I can go on about the ALH all day, I've spent more time under than driving them lol. Mind me asking, where did you have the timing and fueling set?
As long as coolant temps are in check under 200, I have run into the 1800 egt range without any affect on my pistons. It's only combined temps that lead to this.
@@TDISwaps Sorry I edited my comment as I was watching, deleted once you talked about it. I'll re-ask a question, "where did you have the timing and IQ on VCDS?" Did you tune or advance timing on a north american stock tune? Edit2: looking at your piston heads id guess youre running closer to stock?
@RW1LD ya timing is slightly above the green line, IQ at 5.5. .260 injectors
@@TDISwaps Ahh, I always thought .216s / DLC 1019s were at the upper end of safe. But the "Green line" just sets the timing "window" the pump operates at, not the actual injection timing. North American stock tune runs timing retarded (by ALOT) for emissions. Even at idle the base map should be at least 4' BTDC and up from there with rpm / rest of the map. Not advancing the timing your EGTs WILL be higher. (worth googling the subject) Advancing the timing had a major positive impact with my project car.
I talked with Mr Bosio once and he mentioned the same problem with people throwing in too much fuel without getting the timing right. It was dizzying how much he had to say on the subject because oh how much has to line up to get everything to work right in such a small timeframe, even the quality of the fuel in different places throwing the timing off chemically / flame speed. Apparently American diesel is shit compared to overseas / Europe standards.
@RW1LD well my tuning is very customized and timing advances a lot with fueling. I'm not too good at all that stuff but my tuner has it set up pretty well. Although this tune was probably an issue as we hadn't finished it due to the turbo acting up and trying to adjust fueling and boost for it.