Of course he was! Why else did he insist on getting a million dollar life insurance policy on Susan as well as demanding that he get power of attorney over her... he wouldn’t let her spend even $10 on groceries for the week for her and the boys but sure pay for life insurance for a million dollar policy that is unlikely to be used without foul play?!? He wasn’t expecting to come home to cops and a search party, he was probably going to say he saw her that morning leave for work and would’ve eventually gone to court to have her classified as dead but Jennifer and the daycare ruined that
Really haunting how Susan’s friend warned her that signing that insurance she was worth more dead to Josh. She practically signed her life sentence, don’t know how she thought to sign it when she was in the mindset of giving up on the marriage.
Little Charlie was so cute when questioned about Josh and Susan Powell, his parents. He had a very sophisticated vocabulary for a 4 year old, not just using words like "colorfu,l" but using them correctly.
when he was with josh he regressed badly. you can see how stilted and choppy his language is in the home movies josh made 2011 compared to his initial interviews with police in 2009
You do amazing work! I'm from the Tacoma/Parkland/Lakewood area and remember everything that was reported on this case.. But your work in research is unparalleled. Bravo!
This series is so effective at providing in-depth insight into the mind of a sociopath through the accumulation of context and detail. It's a great piece of journalism. Kudos to the whole crew and especially to Dave Cawley; I wish you a lot of recognition and success on your future projects.
I love your work so much i hope you do more podcasts like this and if you do where can i find them?!?! Thank you for shining a light on this case better then anyone else.
It's odd for the driver to have such severe injuries and a passenger to be unharmed after a rearending 🙄 I worked in personal injury law and saw a lot of Josh Powell's.
Makes it worse for people like me who honestly have pain. And everyone thinks I'm just trying to get a fix. Luckily, I had it on videotape. GoPro gave nice sense of impact Especially when the trailer hitch took all the damage. Pushed it in 6 in
I bet you did. I've never worked in personal injury law, and even *I've* seen more than enough of my share of Josh Powells. And, as the other commentor on this thread said, the Josh Powells of the world make it so much harder for those of us who actually *DO* have severe, chronic pain as a result of accidents!
I was once T-boned, hard, by a guy who blew through a red light as I was making a turn. The guy was SO okay that he was actually able to wrench open my car door (which his car had hit so hard that it was jammed shut) and help push my car out of the road. Then...the cops and the other driver's fiancee showed up. Immediately and suddenly, he was in such severe distress that an ambulance and fire engine had to be called. But- and this is a first for me, as a former EMT- The ambulance actually left without transporting him, because the cops, firemen and EMTs were so certain that he was malingering that they made it clear he'd have to actually be examined if he went to the hospital. Once again, he immediately and suddenly made a miraculous recovery back to his previously uninjured state. Of course, he later tried to sue me. And of course, he ended up having to pay my damages.
We all pay for the fraud..You know when after you been scammed by pro break slammers every honest person pays for these pro insurance fraudsters and lawyers that cash in
The accident described at the beginning of the video? I had a guy do the exact same thing to me. We were going 2-3 miles an hour after both stopping at a red light - he hit his brakes in the middle of the intersection for no reason and then calls an ambulance and says he’s hurt. Some people are just fraudsters.
Hope you get more views and recognition, you've clearly worked so hard on this and it's wrong that your stats don't yet reflect that. Thank you for this series, best coverage of the story by far!
I think it's obvious he wanted that insurance money. But the cops showing up at his house & going inside, screwed up his plan. That explains the bs excuse of going camping in the middle of the night & forgetting what day it was. He had to think of an excuse quick. I'll bet his plan was to say she had left for work riding her bike & just disappeared. It's a busy road & anyone could have grabbed her. I think he intended on her body being found, so he could collect the insurance money. But the cops being involved early, made him hide her body where it couldnt be found. It amazes me that the cops didnt completely search that house & his vehicle. She supposedly disappeared from that house, so it was basically a crime scene. It's like the cops just blew it off as no big deal & did nothing until it was to late to collect evidence.
Really appreciate the work you went to just finding Jeff, with a case like this, leaving no stone unturned is how everything should be approached. Thank you Jeff for clarifying the events of the day you saw Josh, been in a few bumps before but know enough to know as a younger person you bounce back quickly. The levels Josh went through to scam should be red flags to learn from.
So what you are suggesting is that Josh used Benzocycloprine from the script he got to knock Susan down and while down he used the impact driver to kill her. Likely by driving large screws into her brain until she was dead. The impact driver is covered in another episode (and destruction thereof). The body was parked somewhere in the snow. Then Michel drove down and it was put into his car trunk (the Ford Taurus) for a while . THen it was dumped somewhere for a while and Michael drove the Taurus to the wreckers in Pendleton even though it was a perfectly good car and took a huge loss, just in case there was DnA left in the trunk. Finally Josh Powell took what remained from whatever grave it was in in a hired van on a trip that was about 700 km long. Basically the remains are at the end of the earth and even if found are unlikely to be recognised. He missed his true calling - he should have been working as a body disappear man for the NY or NJ mafia. What a crappy family. I'm glad Josh is dead I am glad Michael is dead (I'd say he undoubtedly physically handled the fresh body ) and helped stash it in the Taurus - kept well away from the cops. If he knew only vaguely what Josh had done, there was no reason to jump off the roof of the parking building. But he did - he'd seen some horrors . His sister knows a lot too. I hope she has a miserable life. TE Fidler
So glad the Susans parents won..money is what speaks to save these little victims whos lives never mattered until millions are on the line. Thanks for pursuing justice.
You did more detecting than the actual detectives did! Stg you should be a cop. I believe you could find her body. Honestly. You have investigated this case more than anyone has. And I thank you dearly. 😊
Where did I miss it... That Steve "confessed his feelings to Susan"?? I didn't hear that. And feelings about what, her, or their medical situation from the car accident??
Steve's video confession of love, I think is in one of these podcasts. Try #15 & up. You made need a long shower with bleach after watching it. Its disgusting!
When a person has such a scamming pattern, don't be surprised what such a person can do next....it always starts with little things....this very similar to gambling addiction and the love for money.
If you did a cold case study on the Chris Watts case, the publicized story and conviction are not accurate, there are so many details that scream it but the investigation stopped completely after confession from Chris who was admittedly protecting others. The oil company, a plan to collect insurance, many of us out here see there is much more to it. It would get many views I'm positive
That was interesting when you said he asked for Cyclobenzaprine? Just a thought but that can be fatal if you overdose on it or if you are allergic to it. Wandering if Susan had allergies.
What the heck is the deal with LDS people and chiropractors!? I lived in Utah, and I've never been anywhere where SO many people either WERE chiropractors, had chiropractors in their families, or seemed themselves to be in constant, ongoing chiropractic treatments!
Probably a cultural church thing, everybody in lock step. I am guessing but LDS I have known, the ones in good,, do what the bishop says. and if you are sick and broke the church takes care of your bills including medical. A Doctor of Osteopathy, a DO, has same license to practice Medicine as an MD. A DO once warned me about Chiropractors. they are not Doctors, they give treatments, cracking your spine and neck. After a person reaches age of 60 a DO never does any manipulations because it can sever the spinal chord. Spend your money on a real doctor. Same thing with Optometrists. vs Opthalmologists.. Optometrist cost less but are not Eye doctors, they make glasses..Opthalmologists are MDs..diagnose and treat eye conditions.
@@prarieborn6458 Agree very much! My primary care doctor is a DO, and in one place I lived my kids' pediatrician was at the on-campus pediatrics clinic at an osteopathic medical school, whilst I used their on-campus urgent care myself...I've always gotten standard of care treatment from DOs, and have been assured by several MDs I trust that they're every bit as well-versed as MDs. That said, back before my Lasik, (which was of course carried it it by an opthalmologist!) I was always pleased with the work done by the 2 optometrists I used when it came to fitting me for glasses and contacts, or for treating minor issues like conjunctivitis...but obviously I went to an MD opthalmologist for the actual eye surgery! But I couldn't agree more that in many, if not most, cases chiropractic treatments are at the very least needlessly expensive for the benefit they do, and at worst they can be potentially highly dangerous and based on usuriously pricey long-term payment plans. Every study I've heard of has found that at most, chiropractic is as helpful for mild-moderate lower back pain as standard PT, but costs vastly more. And that at worst, neck manipulation has been definitely linked to strokes, arterial dissection, ruptured aneurisms and/or muscle, ligament & tendon injury...even in young, healthy people. (There's a case study of a *six yo child* who suffered permanent paralysis after their grandparent took them for neck manipulation due to a minor illness.) And that doesn't even begin to cover the disturbing practice of many chiropractors when it comes to practices such as repeated x-ray exposure, pushing hugely cost-inflated supplements on patients and claiming to treat/prevent illnesses they're not even vaguely qualified to diagnose, such as diabetes, autoimmune disease, Lyme disease, etc. To be fair, I had a friend whose brother became a chiropractor after he was evidently helped immensely by a DC with a football injury...but he's an ethical, honest, well-intentioned guy who strictly treats back pain and other issues. He actually told me that he would NOT recommend chiropractic treatment for a severe disc injury, but instead said I should try PT and massage...and I must say I was really impressed by that. But my sense, unfortunately, is that DCs like him can be few & far between, and that chiropractic schools tend to focus *much* more on the business/income aspect of practice than any medical or veterinary schools. I've even been told by 2 DCs that there's a big emphasis on bringing in repeat business, and on discouraging PT-style home programs in favor of ongoing office visits. Still, though- do you know how did the cultural thing you mentioned got started? Because I was shocked when I initially moved to Utah by how seemingly everyone there had ongoing, routine appointments with chiropractors on a weekly basis- even people without injuries or pain that would require treatment of any kind- and also by *just* how prevalent & popular untrained, self-taught or correspondence-school naturopathic "doctors" were! I've lived in some pretty hippy-dippy places, but I've never seen the level of belief in self-proclaimed naturopaths, homeopaths, herbalists, "energy healers," etc. as I did in Utah...especially by people who could NOT by any stretch of the imagination be considered "hippie" or "crunchy granola" folks; instead, these were essentially *all* straight-laced, clean-cut, college-educated LDS folks! That, along with the apparent ubiquitous participation of every (smart & educated) LDS person I knew in some MLM scheme, was definitely one of the biggest culture shocks I had when living in UT. And I've still never really been able to determine the genesis of this cultural trend: everyone I asked just answered with some version of, "Well, it's just really popular here with us. And it has been as long as I can remember..." So, not exactly terribly helpful info! Ironically, when I lived in UT, the state had the highest rates of prescription drug abuse in the USA. Based on what I was told, the issue stemmed from the LDS church's ban on not only illicit drugs, but caffeine and other substances which "inflamed the senses." But evidently prescription drugs and "natural" stimulants such as ephedra (aka "Brigham Tea" or "Morman Tea") were judged acceptable, since the former was "legitimate because it came from a doctor" whilst the latter was "natural." I've never seen so many prescription pill mills anywhere else I've lived!
Colin Connolly My sense is that she was so incredibly sheltered, naive, inexperienced and so, SO young: she was still only a teenager when they got married!
What They Dont Tell You That was my sense, as well. That once she understood that it was actually just Josh's attempt to scam some free money, she wasn't having any part of it. I could always be wrong, of course, but I'm guessing he probably pressured her pretty darned hard to also claim chronic pain & injuries. But she didn't.
MY dad was a WWII vet and a champion boxer in the Marines. He was also an expert poker player. I have been to Las Vegas twice in my life, and one of those times my husband and I ran into him at the Las Vegas airport. First, I cant imagine picking such a weasel. But my dad would have lasted MAYBE 2 minutes around that psychopath. There would be no staying out of my business. There would have been no blood shed, not even a bit of discord. Josh would simply have been unmotivated to be anywhere near me, and my dad would have been omnipresent.
Loving your channel. Very sad case though. That josh was a real weirdo. Everyone sensed that. Poor Susan. When she was being taped, she just sounds disgusted. .
I think what Charlie said about how to kill a bear what if dad said it was a bear but it was mum then fill hole then cover with bushes. what was growing in field ? berrys ? He seemed sick enough to film it and the kids watched omg I hope not Charlie did say he seen it on tv get the dogs to search the filed in photo
I can believe he did insurance fraud. Easy to believe that's possible for someone who has the foresight to recognize that a doctor would see through his case and go to a chiropractor who wouldn't be able to.... Ehh I'll stop
What's with the journals and recordings..,living proof or suspicion. After my baby was born I had ended up in the hospital with A questionàble drug OD If I had not been journaling, I would not have any proof my abuse I was receiving from my husband When in question.. .record
Katherine Stahl Wow, I'm so glad you were ok! And excellent point about "when in doubt, record!" Hoping you're now in a much safer and healthier place, and wishing you all the happiness and fulfillment in the world!
You were joking, right? If not, it’s because this is an uploaded podcast (podcast is just audio, like audio books, news radio, radio, etc), they’re made so people can listen while driving, cleaning, biking, cooking, etc. He thankfully uploaded here so we can enjoy the same. I’m not sure but on his website, he plays videos on there as well and they have visuals on those videos (at least the ones I’ve seen). Thecoldpodcast.com
The depth of comprehensive research you've done on this is simply beyond belief. I'm speechless.
I agree!!
I was thinking the same!
Holy shit how everything is connected in this episode. How the dots connect is otherworldly!!! This is just incredible work by Cold!!!
Well put together. All the information about the car crashes and insurance claims makes me think Josh was willing to kill for life insurance money.
Agree.
Anything not to work.
Of course he was! Why else did he insist on getting a million dollar life insurance policy on Susan as well as demanding that he get power of attorney over her... he wouldn’t let her spend even $10 on groceries for the week for her and the boys but sure pay for life insurance for a million dollar policy that is unlikely to be used without foul play?!? He wasn’t expecting to come home to cops and a search party, he was probably going to say he saw her that morning leave for work and would’ve eventually gone to court to have her classified as dead but Jennifer and the daycare ruined that
Really haunting how Susan’s friend warned her that signing that insurance she was worth more dead to Josh. She practically signed her life sentence, don’t know how she thought to sign it when she was in the mindset of giving up on the marriage.
Little Charlie was so cute when questioned about Josh and Susan Powell, his parents. He had a very sophisticated vocabulary for a 4 year old, not just using words like "colorfu,l" but using them correctly.
when he was with josh he regressed badly. you can see how stilted and choppy his language is in the home movies josh made 2011 compared to his initial interviews with police in 2009
You do amazing work! I'm from the Tacoma/Parkland/Lakewood area and remember everything that was reported on this case.. But your work in research is unparalleled. Bravo!
This series is so effective at providing in-depth insight into the mind of a sociopath through the accumulation of context and detail. It's a great piece of journalism. Kudos to the whole crew and especially to Dave Cawley; I wish you a lot of recognition and success on your future projects.
this is a master class on psychopathy!
You are the best man! This podcast is just out of this world man! This case is truly too cold!
I love your work so much i hope you do more podcasts like this and if you do where can i find them?!?! Thank you for shining a light on this case better then anyone else.
It's odd for the driver to have such severe injuries and a passenger to be unharmed after a rearending 🙄 I worked in personal injury law and saw a lot of Josh Powell's.
Makes it worse for people like me who honestly have pain. And everyone thinks I'm just trying to get a fix. Luckily, I had it on videotape. GoPro gave nice sense of impact Especially when the trailer hitch took all the damage. Pushed it in 6 in
I bet you did. I've never worked in personal injury law, and even *I've* seen more than enough of my share of Josh Powells.
And, as the other commentor on this thread said, the Josh Powells of the world make it so much harder for those of us who actually *DO* have severe, chronic pain as a result of accidents!
I was once T-boned, hard, by a guy who blew through a red light as I was making a turn. The guy was SO okay that he was actually able to wrench open my car door (which his car had hit so hard that it was jammed shut) and help push my car out of the road.
Then...the cops and the other driver's fiancee showed up. Immediately and suddenly, he was in such severe distress that an ambulance and fire engine had to be called. But- and this is a first for me, as a former EMT- The ambulance actually left without transporting him, because the cops, firemen and EMTs were so certain that he was malingering that they made it clear he'd have to actually be examined if he went to the hospital. Once again, he immediately and suddenly made a miraculous recovery back to his previously uninjured state.
Of course, he later tried to sue me.
And of course, he ended up having to pay my damages.
We all pay for the fraud..You know when after you been scammed by pro break slammers every honest person pays for these pro insurance fraudsters and lawyers that cash in
Amazing work with this podcast. By far the best I've ever heard.
The accident described at the beginning of the video? I had a guy do the exact same thing to me. We were going 2-3 miles an hour after both stopping at a red light - he hit his brakes in the middle of the intersection for no reason and then calls an ambulance and says he’s hurt. Some people are just fraudsters.
This video portrays what a day-to-day thinking of a sociopath and operate is like... help me realize the many red flags that I missed.
Hope you get more views and recognition, you've clearly worked so hard on this and it's wrong that your stats don't yet reflect that. Thank you for this series, best coverage of the story by far!
Josh Powell, 1 of the biggest mutant losers of all time? Does he have any hope when he stands in front of the LIVING LORD FATHER ALLMIGHTY?
I did this as a new driver. It taught me to always look forward before pulling out.
Another great episode! Thank you so much for all your effort, time and money you put in to produce this. The whole podcast is a Masterpiece!
I think it's obvious he wanted that insurance money. But the cops showing up at his house & going inside, screwed up his plan. That explains the bs excuse of going camping in the middle of the night & forgetting what day it was. He had to think of an excuse quick. I'll bet his plan was to say she had left for work riding her bike & just disappeared. It's a busy road & anyone could have grabbed her. I think he intended on her body being found, so he could collect the insurance money. But the cops being involved early, made him hide her body where it couldnt be found.
It amazes me that the cops didnt completely search that house & his vehicle. She supposedly disappeared from that house, so it was basically a crime scene. It's like the cops just blew it off as no big deal & did nothing until it was to late to collect evidence.
Just like how they blew off letting the boys be around him
Your podcast on this subject is awesome and greatly appreciated 👍
Once a sociopath, always a sociopath. Just lets you know that sociopaths are capable of ANYTHING. never EVER take one of these people lightly.
excellent stuff loved the whole series well done☮❤
These insurance companies are unusually lenient, and passive. Different times maybe...
Not with me. Someone hit me and I got blamed.
Really appreciate the work you went to just finding Jeff, with a case like this, leaving no stone unturned is how everything should be approached. Thank you Jeff for clarifying the events of the day you saw Josh, been in a few bumps before but know enough to know as a younger person you bounce back quickly. The levels Josh went through to scam should be red flags to learn from.
So what you are suggesting is that Josh used Benzocycloprine from the script he got to knock Susan down and while down he used the impact driver to kill her. Likely by driving large screws into her brain until she was dead. The impact driver is covered in another episode (and destruction thereof).
The body was parked somewhere in the snow. Then Michel drove down and it was put into his car trunk (the Ford Taurus) for a while . THen it was dumped somewhere for a while and Michael drove the Taurus to the wreckers in Pendleton even though it was a perfectly good car and took a huge loss, just in case there was DnA left in the trunk. Finally Josh Powell took what remained from whatever grave it was in in a hired van on a trip that was about 700 km long. Basically the remains are at the end of the earth and even if found are unlikely to be recognised.
He missed his true calling - he should have been working as a body disappear man for the NY or NJ mafia. What a crappy family. I'm glad Josh is dead I am glad Michael is dead (I'd say he undoubtedly physically handled the fresh body ) and helped stash it in the Taurus - kept well away from the cops. If he knew only vaguely what Josh had done, there was no reason to jump off the roof of the parking building. But he did - he'd seen some horrors . His sister knows a lot too. I hope she has a miserable life.
TE Fidler
So glad the Susans parents won..money is what speaks to save these little victims whos lives never mattered until millions are on the line. Thanks for pursuing justice.
Calling the incident a “little love tap” LOL I love it 😂
Makes your heart break fir the 2 little boys ( for)
You did more detecting than the actual detectives did! Stg you should be a cop. I believe you could find her body. Honestly. You have investigated this case more than anyone has. And I thank you dearly. 😊
Where did I miss it... That Steve "confessed his feelings to Susan"?? I didn't hear that. And feelings about what, her, or their medical situation from the car accident??
Steve's video confession of love, I think is in one of these podcasts. Try #15 & up.
You made need a long shower with bleach after watching it. Its disgusting!
Maybe you repressed it...I know I tried to...
Who's prized possession is a Plymouth voyager hideous minivan?
Amazing podcast!
When a person has such a scamming pattern, don't be surprised what such a person can do next....it always starts with little things....this very similar to gambling addiction and the love for money.
Youre absolutely right. There's always a build up.
If you did a cold case study on the Chris Watts case, the publicized story and conviction are not accurate, there are so many details that scream it but the investigation stopped completely after confession from Chris who was admittedly protecting others. The oil company, a plan to collect insurance, many of us out here see there is much more to it. It would get many views I'm positive
Why was Josh's brother John not mentioned in the podcast? Wasn't John also living with Steven Powell at the time of Susan's disappearance?
That was interesting when you said he asked for Cyclobenzaprine?
Just a thought but that can be fatal if you overdose on it or if you are allergic to it. Wandering if Susan had allergies.
What the heck is the deal with LDS people and chiropractors!? I lived in Utah, and I've never been anywhere where SO many people either WERE chiropractors, had chiropractors in their families, or seemed themselves to be in constant, ongoing chiropractic treatments!
Cuz they believe in woo
Probably a cultural church thing, everybody in lock step. I am guessing but LDS I have known, the ones in good,, do what the bishop says. and if you are sick and broke the church takes care of your bills including medical. A Doctor of Osteopathy, a DO, has same license to practice Medicine as an MD. A DO once warned me about Chiropractors. they are not Doctors, they give treatments, cracking your spine and neck. After a person reaches age of 60 a DO never does any manipulations because it can sever the spinal chord. Spend your money on a real doctor. Same thing with Optometrists. vs Opthalmologists.. Optometrist cost less but are not Eye doctors, they make glasses..Opthalmologists are MDs..diagnose and treat eye conditions.
@@prarieborn6458 Agree very much! My primary care doctor is a DO, and in one place I lived my kids' pediatrician was at the on-campus pediatrics clinic at an osteopathic medical school, whilst I used their on-campus urgent care myself...I've always gotten standard of care treatment from DOs, and have been assured by several MDs I trust that they're every bit as well-versed as MDs. That said, back before my Lasik, (which was of course carried it it by an opthalmologist!) I was always pleased with the work done by the 2 optometrists I used when it came to fitting me for glasses and contacts, or for treating minor issues like conjunctivitis...but obviously I went to an MD opthalmologist for the actual eye surgery!
But I couldn't agree more that in many, if not most, cases chiropractic treatments are at the very least needlessly expensive for the benefit they do, and at worst they can be potentially highly dangerous and based on usuriously pricey long-term payment plans. Every study I've heard of has found that at most, chiropractic is as helpful for mild-moderate lower back pain as standard PT, but costs vastly more. And that at worst, neck manipulation has been definitely linked to strokes, arterial dissection, ruptured aneurisms and/or muscle, ligament & tendon injury...even in young, healthy people. (There's a case study of a *six yo child* who suffered permanent paralysis after their grandparent took them for neck manipulation due to a minor illness.) And that doesn't even begin to cover the disturbing practice of many chiropractors when it comes to practices such as repeated x-ray exposure, pushing hugely cost-inflated supplements on patients and claiming to treat/prevent illnesses they're not even vaguely qualified to diagnose, such as diabetes, autoimmune disease, Lyme disease, etc.
To be fair, I had a friend whose brother became a chiropractor after he was evidently helped immensely by a DC with a football injury...but he's an ethical, honest, well-intentioned guy who strictly treats back pain and other issues. He actually told me that he would NOT recommend chiropractic treatment for a severe disc injury, but instead said I should try PT and massage...and I must say I was really impressed by that. But my sense, unfortunately, is that DCs like him can be few & far between, and that chiropractic schools tend to focus *much* more on the business/income aspect of practice than any medical or veterinary schools. I've even been told by 2 DCs that there's a big emphasis on bringing in repeat business, and on discouraging PT-style home programs in favor of ongoing office visits.
Still, though- do you know how did the cultural thing you mentioned got started? Because I was shocked when I initially moved to Utah by how seemingly everyone there had ongoing, routine appointments with chiropractors on a weekly basis- even people without injuries or pain that would require treatment of any kind- and also by *just* how prevalent & popular untrained, self-taught or correspondence-school naturopathic "doctors" were! I've lived in some pretty hippy-dippy places, but I've never seen the level of belief in self-proclaimed naturopaths, homeopaths, herbalists, "energy healers," etc. as I did in Utah...especially by people who could NOT by any stretch of the imagination be considered "hippie" or "crunchy granola" folks; instead, these were essentially *all* straight-laced, clean-cut, college-educated LDS folks! That, along with the apparent ubiquitous participation of every (smart & educated) LDS person I knew in some MLM scheme, was definitely one of the biggest culture shocks I had when living in UT. And I've still never really been able to determine the genesis of this cultural trend: everyone I asked just answered with some version of, "Well, it's just really popular here with us. And it has been as long as I can remember..." So, not exactly terribly helpful info!
Ironically, when I lived in UT, the state had the highest rates of prescription drug abuse in the USA. Based on what I was told, the issue stemmed from the LDS church's ban on not only illicit drugs, but caffeine and other substances which "inflamed the senses." But evidently prescription drugs and "natural" stimulants such as ephedra (aka "Brigham Tea" or "Morman Tea") were judged acceptable, since the former was "legitimate because it came from a doctor" whilst the latter was "natural." I've never seen so many prescription pill mills anywhere else I've lived!
@@prarieborn6458 Also, sorry for the TL: DR! This is just a subject that's fascinated and perplexed me ever since I lived in Utah!!
Josh has a history of frauding insurance to get pay outs. Once he put a million on his wife his greed was unstoppable.
Josh was a scam artist like his father. Except Josh didn't have common sense and wasn't good with finances. At all.
Why did Susan go along with this nonsense? What a scam.
Colin Connolly My sense is that she was so incredibly sheltered, naive, inexperienced and so, SO young: she was still only a teenager when they got married!
@@maneckineckbeard1749 More excuses 🙄
What They Dont Tell You That was my sense, as well. That once she understood that it was actually just Josh's attempt to scam some free money, she wasn't having any part of it.
I could always be wrong, of course, but I'm guessing he probably pressured her pretty darned hard to also claim chronic pain & injuries. But she didn't.
MY dad was a WWII vet and a champion boxer in the Marines. He was also an expert poker player. I have been to Las Vegas twice in my life, and one of those times my husband and I ran into him at the Las Vegas airport. First, I cant imagine picking such a weasel. But my dad would have lasted MAYBE 2 minutes around that psychopath. There would be no staying out of my business. There would have been no blood shed, not even a bit of discord. Josh would simply have been unmotivated to be anywhere near me, and my dad would have been omnipresent.
@Dana Davison Does this church encourage raunchy emails with co-workers & flirting with your father in law? Enough with the excuses.
Josh will pay one day!
If he hasn’t paid by now, he never will
He’s currently in the Lake of Fire! 🔥
Loving your channel. Very sad case though. That josh was a real weirdo. Everyone sensed that. Poor Susan. When she was being taped, she just sounds disgusted.
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I think what Charlie said about how to kill a bear what if dad said it was a bear but it was mum then fill hole then cover with bushes. what was growing in field ? berrys ? He seemed sick enough to film it and the kids watched omg I hope not Charlie did say he seen it on tv get the dogs to search the filed in photo
Did they ever do a search?
I can believe he did insurance fraud. Easy to believe that's possible for someone who has the foresight to recognize that a doctor would see through his case and go to a chiropractor who wouldn't be able to.... Ehh I'll stop
I can want you in a secret way smh 🤦🏿♀️
Love Shack Sarah At least you said, "hair," and not any of the other stuff that that sicko kept in his secret bio-baggie stash.
Didn't say hair from where... not head hair
Makes me glad I cut my dad out of my life 5 years ago… that last bit about how he “used people” gave me chills.
What single, childless man needs to drive a minivan. HUGE turnoff and weird
Maybe he's got tools or artwork or bread something and needs the room. It's not weird at all.
Narcissist no?
What's up with all the journals and recordings???... Really weird 😕😕😕
It's a Mormon thing.
What's with the journals and recordings..,living proof or suspicion.
After my baby was born I had ended up in the hospital with A questionàble drug OD
If I had not been journaling, I would not have any proof my abuse I was receiving from my husband
When in question.. .record
Katherine Stahl Wow, I'm so glad you were ok! And excellent point about "when in doubt, record!"
Hoping you're now in a much safer and healthier place, and wishing you all the happiness and fulfillment in the world!
@@maneckineckbeard1749 thx
I tend to sound a little over protective when it comes to relationship now... Even the ones my kids have
Katherine Stahl Sounds like you've got very good reasons! ❤️
Aucune douceurs, aucune délicatesse, cette meuf !
He was just a dink
Why is the video obscured by the COLD logo? The audio plays just fine, but the video is only the logo. Very frustrating.
It is an upload of a podcast. Audio only, no video at all.
You were joking, right? If not, it’s because this is an uploaded podcast (podcast is just audio, like audio books, news radio, radio, etc), they’re made so people can listen while driving, cleaning, biking, cooking, etc. He thankfully uploaded here so we can enjoy the same. I’m not sure but on his website, he plays videos on there as well and they have visuals on those videos (at least the ones I’ve seen). Thecoldpodcast.com