I started watching your channel because of the 2020 Defender, but I LOVE your manner. You remind me of Wallace and Grommet. You are like ASMR for 2020 Defenders!
@@Olyller We only have the "s" model and as such this comes with the non painted black plastic door handles .... but we do have door handle covers which are colour coded coming !
@@Olyller My car is the bottom of the range S model with unpainted plastic handles... but we have painted door handles coming soon - so you can have shiny black. I was going to go for white but you have me thinking now that shiny black may be nicer on THE STIG !
Nice. I had the original Continental tyres on my Def110 and they lasted 120k kms. Now I have Micky Thompsons A/T they are a good offroad track and sand tyre. No sure I will get 100k but tyre rotation is important for long life to mitigate heal toe cupping of the tread.
those continental tyres do last a long time, mine were the same. then i changed to Mickey T mud tyres. Way grippier in the dirt, way louder, dont last as long, but heaps if fun
I think the real value of this test is that this is a bog standard Defender, without tractor tyres and suspension lifts, and it performed very well, not that anyone is going to do this to their Defender for 20 years . Stay safe ! Chris B.
i got the p300 all black 18” rims , my second off road car (used to have land cruiser 2006) BIG FAN of this channel 👏🏼 funny when you say george multiple times sound like watching cartoon characters 😛, some video ideas ( towing capabilities, roof load, how to remove the spare tire or changing it) and i wish you guys do a video about eco mode explaining the difference in performance. This channel is my bible
Definitely all about tyres Simon, I had a series 2a once with Avon rangemasters on and it spun out and slid backwards down a modest hill in the snow, at about 10 attempts I had to be pulled up by a hilux, the next year I had Michelin xzls on and was unstoppable in the same scenario
great vid! folks can critise about not using mt's, but its great to learn how your vehicle responds as a standard vehicle, get to know its quirks, get to know how far she'll go and how far the driver will go! test of skill with man and machine all that mud blocked anything yet?? cant wait for next vid
There is no sense to this... it needs a logic algorithm that says "if i was last in mud and ruts mode and the suspension is still raised and i have not gone over 15mph then i should probably remain in the same mode ! " This was really annoying when green laning also as every time i got out to trim back some bushes i had to reset it !
@@L663 I think it's probably a safety thing. Every modern car I've ever owned switches to it's "default" Road setting after switching the engine off. It's the same with BMWs, Mercs etc as well. Very annoying but probably some sort of safety regulation so that Joe bloggs doesn't accidentally forget after stopping for lunch and try and pull out onto a motorway while in Sand Mode or something. 😂
Defender 110 power! I also did quite a bit of off-roading this weekend in my D110 P400SE and tried pulling out a stuck Disco2 from some thick Georgia mud. However, I had a major problem for a short while! I got a "Gearbox Fault" warning and could not put the car in Drive or Reverse for a good half hour. I thought I was going to have to have her pulled or towed out, but perhaps this Gearbox Fault was just a preventative limp mode/shutdown mode. After a half hour or so with engine off, I started her back up and she drove fine, no "fault." I wonder if I was on the brink of overheating something after trying to pull someone out of the mud for a while? Did you have any similar issues? I also found it annoying to have to re-select driving modes. Overall though, aside from the temporary terrifying Gearbox Fault, it was a great time.
Hi Mario - I have not had any gearbox faults or similar... I suggest getting it your dealer and getting the fault code log looked at as it should have a record of the stored code and this may have more info than just "fault". Glad i am not the only one finding the res-electing the mode a pain ! Land Rover have listen to me but I have not had a reply if this can be changed yet....
Freelander did really really well ... better than us on the slippery slope ! but struggled with ground clearance... the Defender totally rocked with ground clearance... it was super.
Hi - there are a couple of problem here 1) You need balls of steel to race your new Defender up hill with trees both sides... i was getting better through the day in this regard 2) The car seems to have too much sort of traction control and that limits the acceleration.... not sure if this is true but thats what it felt like and others watching commented the same.
@@L663 #2 - I certainly noticed the traction control as well when I would forget to switch on Mud & Ruts mode. I'll have to look in to whether or not there is a way to "save" the traction mode, because I found fiddling with it was taking away from the overall experience.
@@L663 20" LR wheels with BFGoodrich All-Terrain KO2s, slightly over-sized. I was at 50psi this weekend. 265/60R20 size, they rub a little bit on the mud flap at full lock.
Now you have got some miles in do you have some mpg results for general mixed driving? Appreciate your enthusiasm and down to earth attitude. Allways interesting content.
Obviously the tyres are a limiting factor on yours , but would you get the locking diff if you were gonnna use it off road more ?? Also, I don’t think a locking front diff is available at all ?? !! Keep up the good works 👍🏻 #StaySafe 😷
Thx and entertaining as usual. I saw the notes on the tire selection below but what wheel spec did you end up putting on? In a previous video you had a few versions of offset. Did you have to use spacers or did the +45 offset wheels works? Keep up the great work.
Hi in the video the 20" 45 offset was ok without spacers.... just bolted straight on th-cam.com/video/jHzbfjxKvcc/w-d-xo.html But the 20" 49 offset did not work as it rubbed on the suspension upright.
Impressive, but as you approached some of those deep ruts I was wincing at the thought of catching the front and leaving you with a pile of broken plastic.
Great vid ! Seeing as they were all terrain tyres it did extremely well. I think that 20" weels and all terrain tyres are good for most things - but for off-roading in mud, then the 18" steel wheels and mud-plugger tyres would gave been better - and you would have thrashed it. - By the way - what tyre pressure did you use? Did you use standard road pressure, or did you lower the pressure for off-road?
Hi John... yes totally agree with your points... need to get some 18's and better tyres. The tyres were at normal pressure - i think lowering the pressure would have helped !
Credit to George.... he got kicked out the comfort of the car to do these ! Considering its just a father and son effort with no film crew i think we did pretty well !
@@L663 Yes indeed. Please also thank George for the choice of background music. Although from the same genre, so much better than the one with the irritating squeak! ;-)
Hi Mr Virdi - its near Bristol Airport ( UK ) and you can find out all the details at facebook.com/4x4days Highly recommended ( I was given no special treatment or discount etc so this is genuine recommendation )
You need to put some Tuffant 18" rims with some BFG or Wrangler Duratrac All Terrains, and drop the air pressure to about 20 psi. 19" rims are pretty much useless.
@@thetad1242 We will wash the car tomorrow... so far no damage spotted.... if had reduced the tyre pressure i would have had more grip but risked damaging the rims... need new rims.
Mixing the New Defender with the older Defenders & 101 , it looks right out of place to the others . -Its gate crashed a party & made a fool of its self on the dance floor . But some how I love the new one .
It was kind of out of place by virtue of it being a brand new car... but if its called Defender it should be able to do this stuff right... and it did not do too bad. The ground clearance was excellent and it felt safe and capable... just the tyres in the end.
Hi there guys looks like you had great fun on that day just 2 questions how much was it and who got to clean the car when you got back ... you or your son lol Ralph Cooling
Hi Ralph - the event was a bargain £30 to attend ! I think Harry may be on the pressure washer Tuesday... Monday are busy in the warehouse all hands to deck getting orders out but Tuesday we may get time to get the pressure washer out.
Why do i get feeling you work at Land Rover.... no one else would call it the L663 ! I should have used rock crawl going up those steps.... good point... i am new to off road driving and forgot this feature amid the excitement !
powerfulukltd I’m looking forward to it!, Now be good...no pointing the water jet directly at the paintwork, give it all a gentle presoak to loosen the mud then start underneath and when done, wash from the top down...carefully..loads of water at gentle pressure, use clean sponges (NO..NOT Micro Fibre mitts as they trap more dirt than any sponge!! I’ve been washing cars to concours level since 1956!!). Wash the car with Meguiars Ultimate yellow wash using more clean, well rinsed sponges and then rinse carefully. THEN go for the microfibre towels to dry it all off! Yes...I may have grey hairs but you can still detail a car as well as any You Tube expert...and not for £1200 a time! Simon...whatever you do...enjoy it and we are all looking forward to your next adventures!!!😀😀😀😀
@7:10 "We didn't manage to do the steps...."? You either seem to have a short memory, Simon, or are too modest. I thought you conquered them on attempt #5? @5:22 Great Sunday morning viewing though!
Wow well I am impressed considering it has fairly mild tires on it the performance was very good. Hopefully LR will be watching this and get the issue with terrain response linked to drivers door issue resolved because if you are having to get out and open gates its going to get annoying very quickly! Anybody seen the new 4x4 made in Rotherham? Its in the farmers weekly looks impressive and more suited to the farm. I'd be interested to see that vs the grenadier vs the defender. www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/4x4s/british-built-ibex-4x4-offers-land-rover-defender-alternative
Yes i will talk to head office on Monday and see if they can look into this issue with the terrain response resetting... also i need to get some training on the terrain response set up and operation.
@@L663 If you haven't used your free experience yet, you should try a trip up to North Yorkshire Experience centre, you will have an awesome time. Really nice people and very good instructors. :)
Even though you could have had better tyres its not real four wheel drive and it was only green laning, i like the looks, but there is way to much elctronic's to use as true off roader but its early days so we will see what can be done by the off road companys.
I don't understand after paying 50k, you don't bother to buy proper off road tyres for it. I can't see a single review on TH-cam that they use the right off road tyres. It's like going to work in pajamas.
My Ford Focus could have done better, not impressed....I was thinking getting the Rubicon or the Defender.....looks like the Rubicon is the real bad ass. The Defender comes across as a posh swanky soccer mom jeep, it doesn't have the real meat to perform like a off roader.....and yes yes I know this one did not have the off road kit....bottom line, the Defender is great for rich fat mom in the suburbs.
Focus to Defender / Rubicon... thats quite an upgrade. I really dont think the WAG's will be driving Defenders...they will stick with the Range Rovers....
Hilarious hearing how this defender 'would' have been off-road capable of it had proper tyres. Except you can't fit anything that remotely resembles an off-road tyre to this overpriced mall crawler. BaahhhaA.
I started watching your channel because of the 2020 Defender, but I LOVE your manner. You remind me of Wallace and Grommet. You are like ASMR for 2020 Defenders!
Hi Mike - glad you enjoying sharing in our fun.... I had to look up ASMR !
powerfulukltd how did you get/make the door handles black? Interested, I have white also....
@@Olyller We only have the "s" model and as such this comes with the non painted black plastic door handles .... but we do have door handle covers which are colour coded coming !
@@Olyller My car is the bottom of the range S model with unpainted plastic handles... but we have painted door handles coming soon - so you can have shiny black. I was going to go for white but you have me thinking now that shiny black may be nicer on THE STIG !
Considering this car doesn't have the off-road pack and some serious mud tires, it did pretty well and it did everything that the old defender did.
great video. it was good watching you following the older defender, it was like the son following dad and vis versa
Kind of cool as with me and my son George making the video and having a day out !
Awesome to see this car being taken off road. Looks like it handles the terrain really well.
Fair play it done well with those boots on, looks like you both had fun, need to get the jet washer out now 👍🏻
Nice to see these vehicles used for the purpose they where built for instead of show pieces looks like a good day was had by all
a true demo of capability on mud and grass just proves tyres make a difference.also knowing your vehicle nice demo ,,,,
Nice. I had the original Continental tyres on my Def110 and they lasted 120k kms. Now I have Micky Thompsons A/T they are a good offroad track and sand tyre. No sure I will get 100k but tyre rotation is important for long life to mitigate heal toe cupping of the tread.
those continental tyres do last a long time, mine were the same. then i changed to Mickey T mud tyres. Way grippier in the dirt, way louder, dont last as long, but heaps if fun
Excellent footage. Brit farmers can plow their fields with that LR!
Yes no excuse for farmers now....
I think the real value of this test is that this is a bog standard Defender, without tractor tyres and suspension lifts, and it performed very well, not that anyone is going to do this to their Defender for 20 years . Stay safe ! Chris B.
Add to that a pretty novice off road driver and i think the car did pretty well.
i got the p300 all black 18” rims , my second off road car (used to have land cruiser 2006)
BIG FAN of this channel 👏🏼 funny when you say george multiple times sound like watching cartoon characters 😛, some video ideas ( towing capabilities, roof load, how to remove the spare tire or changing it) and i wish you guys do a video about eco mode explaining the difference in performance.
This channel is my bible
Spare tyre changing video is already filmed, check previous videos it’s there
Hi yes we have the spare wheel video here
th-cam.com/video/qZmN0mz0k-s/w-d-xo.html
Nice - looks like a lot of fun! Nice to see a 101 in the mix too!
Yes the old forward control was one of the marshals cars
Definitely all about tyres Simon, I had a series 2a once with Avon rangemasters on and it spun out and slid backwards down a modest hill in the snow, at about 10 attempts I had to be pulled up by a hilux, the next year I had Michelin xzls on and was unstoppable in the same scenario
great vid! folks can critise about not using mt's, but its great to learn how your vehicle responds as a standard vehicle, get to know its quirks, get to know how far she'll go and how far the driver will go! test of skill with man and machine
all that mud blocked anything yet??
cant wait for next vid
So far seems OK drove home on the motorway fine !
Hopefully JLR hear you regarding the resetting of the driving mode.
Great Slovakian car the Defender ! 😁
There is no sense to this... it needs a logic algorithm that says "if i was last in mud and ruts mode and the suspension is still raised and i have not gone over 15mph then i should probably remain in the same mode ! " This was really annoying when green laning also as every time i got out to trim back some bushes i had to reset it !
@@L663 I think it's probably a safety thing. Every modern car I've ever owned switches to it's "default" Road setting after switching the engine off. It's the same with BMWs, Mercs etc as well. Very annoying but probably some sort of safety regulation so that Joe bloggs doesn't accidentally forget after stopping for lunch and try and pull out onto a motorway while in Sand Mode or something. 😂
Defender 110 power!
I also did quite a bit of off-roading this weekend in my D110 P400SE and tried pulling out a stuck Disco2 from some thick Georgia mud.
However, I had a major problem for a short while! I got a "Gearbox Fault" warning and could not put the car in Drive or Reverse for a good half hour. I thought I was going to have to have her pulled or towed out, but perhaps this Gearbox Fault was just a preventative limp mode/shutdown mode. After a half hour or so with engine off, I started her back up and she drove fine, no "fault." I wonder if I was on the brink of overheating something after trying to pull someone out of the mud for a while?
Did you have any similar issues? I also found it annoying to have to re-select driving modes. Overall though, aside from the temporary terrifying Gearbox Fault, it was a great time.
Hi Mario - I have not had any gearbox faults or similar... I suggest getting it your dealer and getting the fault code log looked at as it should have a record of the stored code and this may have more info than just "fault". Glad i am not the only one finding the res-electing the mode a pain ! Land Rover have listen to me but I have not had a reply if this can be changed yet....
Hi guys! At last we have seen your 110 on off road. I hope will be more interesting!
How did the freelander do ?
Freelander did really really well ... better than us on the slippery slope ! but struggled with ground clearance... the Defender totally rocked with ground clearance... it was super.
Hello buddy, love your videos!! Do you know if a 275/55R20 tires are going to fit the weel box without rub?
There’s a very good word when 4wdriving: MOMENTUM.
Hi - there are a couple of problem here
1) You need balls of steel to race your new Defender up hill with trees both sides... i was getting better through the day in this regard
2) The car seems to have too much sort of traction control and that limits the acceleration.... not sure if this is true but thats what it felt like and others watching commented the same.
powerfulukltd I could see that you were getting to know the handling of the vehicle. Practice makes perfect. 💪👍🏻
@@L663 #2 - I certainly noticed the traction control as well when I would forget to switch on Mud & Ruts mode. I'll have to look in to whether or not there is a way to "save" the traction mode, because I found fiddling with it was taking away from the overall experience.
@@msanchez7317 What wheels and tyres are you running ?
@@L663 20" LR wheels with BFGoodrich All-Terrain KO2s, slightly over-sized. I was at 50psi this weekend. 265/60R20 size, they rub a little bit on the mud flap at full lock.
How did the Freelander 2 do? I used have a metropolis, it was too beautiful to do all of that shit with.
The Freelander 2 did really well... the only thing it struggled on was the steps ( going up ) as it just did not have the ground clearance.
powerfulukltd thanks for the info.
Now you have got some miles in do you have some mpg results for general mixed driving?
Appreciate your enthusiasm and down to earth attitude. Allways interesting content.
I'd love to be there with my Samurai. Seems to be a perfect trail for a lightweight, small 4x4
I think you would do pretty well... whats your ground clearance like ?
@@L663 The Samurai has about 8.5 inches of ground clearance
Amazing with out of road tyars
Have you mounted the Steelies and "offroad' tires yet? how did they perform?
no not yet... give me a week or two
Obviously the tyres are a limiting factor on yours , but would you get the locking diff if you were gonnna use it off road more ??
Also, I don’t think a locking front diff is available at all ?? !!
Keep up the good works 👍🏻
#StaySafe 😷
Thx and entertaining as usual. I saw the notes on the tire selection below but what wheel spec did you end up putting on? In a previous video you had a few versions of offset. Did you have to use spacers or did the +45 offset wheels works? Keep up the great work.
Hi in the video the 20" 45 offset was ok without spacers.... just bolted straight on
th-cam.com/video/jHzbfjxKvcc/w-d-xo.html
But the 20" 49 offset did not work as it rubbed on the suspension upright.
Impressive, but as you approached some of those deep ruts I was wincing at the thought of catching the front and leaving you with a pile of broken plastic.
The front has a bash plate which is as solid as a rock. The sacrificial plastic is only Plan B.
Yes I was glad that front guard was fitted.... cant recall who suggested i fit that but it was a good idea !
Great vid ! Seeing as they were all terrain tyres it did extremely well. I think that 20" weels and all terrain tyres are good for most things - but for off-roading in mud, then the 18" steel wheels and mud-plugger tyres would gave been better - and you would have thrashed it. - By the way - what tyre pressure did you use? Did you use standard road pressure, or did you lower the pressure for off-road?
Hi John... yes totally agree with your points... need to get some 18's and better tyres.
The tyres were at normal pressure - i think lowering the pressure would have helped !
Very good what’s the coast off the day playing there and where is there😁
Hi ots a bargain £30 and more details here facebook.com/4x4days
its near bristol UK
Gosh. It Totally reminds me of crossing the Simpson and the canning stock route
Do you have the optional rear diff????
No - and i am still unsure how much better it would be... i this cause again this weekend - look out for update video
the new defender is great, just the tires that are holding it back
Yes "the stig" did really well !
Tyres, Tyres and Tyres.... Makes the biggest difference to offroad ability on any 4wd vehicle
Yup... Like this... th-cam.com/video/_zYBA7C5qgE/w-d-xo.html
Some great video shots...!!!
Credit to George.... he got kicked out the comfort of the car to do these ! Considering its just a father and son effort with no film crew i think we did pretty well !
@@L663 Yes indeed. Please also thank George for the choice of background music. Although from the same genre, so much better than the one with the irritating squeak! ;-)
Hi 👋 where is this off road track location and how to join/ use this track and cost.
Thanks 🙏
Hi Mr Virdi - its near Bristol Airport ( UK ) and you can find out all the details at facebook.com/4x4days
Highly recommended ( I was given no special treatment or discount etc so this is genuine recommendation )
You need to put some Tuffant 18" rims with some BFG or Wrangler Duratrac All Terrains, and drop the air pressure to about 20 psi. 19" rims are pretty much useless.
Yes i agree.. my rims were 20" with General Grabber AT and they are a good all round tyre but not idea for off road like this.
@@L663 weren't the rim damaged in the process? The steps had me worried. Rimbender
@@thetad1242 We will wash the car tomorrow... so far no damage spotted.... if had reduced the tyre pressure i would have had more grip but risked damaging the rims... need new rims.
Good to see you are giving it some stick, get some better tyres 😂
Yes ... looking now at smaller wheels and tyres..
@@L663 Smaller wheels taller tyres 😁
Hi 👋 very interesting 🧐 is this your off road club team or just fun going on off road.
Thanks 🙏
Hi - this was an event laid on that is open to anyone.
Superb 👏👏
Mixing the New Defender with the older Defenders & 101 , it looks right out of place to the others . -Its gate crashed a party & made a fool of its self on the dance floor . But some how I love the new one .
It was kind of out of place by virtue of it being a brand new car... but if its called Defender it should be able to do this stuff right... and it did not do too bad. The ground clearance was excellent and it felt safe and capable... just the tyres in the end.
Hi there guys looks like you had great fun on that day just 2 questions how much was it and who got to clean the car when you got back ... you or your son lol
Ralph Cooling
Hi Ralph - the event was a bargain £30 to attend ! I think Harry may be on the pressure washer Tuesday... Monday are busy in the warehouse all hands to deck getting orders out but Tuesday we may get time to get the pressure washer out.
Excellent seeing your L663 getting muddy. Were you in low range at all? Did you try Rock Crawl going up those steps? Great video tho! 👍🏻👍🏻
Why do i get feeling you work at Land Rover.... no one else would call it the L663 !
I should have used rock crawl going up those steps.... good point... i am new to off road driving and forgot this feature amid the excitement !
powerfulukltd Ha ha! No, nothing to do with JLR. I fear I may have become a LR nerd. 😂
@@WizzardPrang You need to get out more.... and not to a Land Rover show room !
So did you do a Power Wash video afterwards ?😃😃😃😃
Its still dirty on the drive.... bit of a trophy but yes pressure was Monday / Tuesday !
powerfulukltd I’m looking forward to it!, Now be good...no pointing the water jet directly at the paintwork, give it all a gentle presoak to loosen the mud then start underneath and when done, wash from the top down...carefully..loads of water at gentle pressure, use clean sponges (NO..NOT Micro Fibre mitts as they trap more dirt than any sponge!! I’ve been washing cars to concours level since 1956!!). Wash the car with Meguiars Ultimate yellow wash using more clean, well rinsed sponges and then rinse carefully. THEN go for the microfibre towels to dry it all off! Yes...I may have grey hairs but you can still detail a car as well as any You Tube expert...and not for £1200 a time!
Simon...whatever you do...enjoy it and we are all looking forward to your next adventures!!!😀😀😀😀
@@L663 Are you going to film the big clean, as thats so sattisfying.
Why aren’t you riding on some Grabbers or similar off road tyres???
I have General Grabber AT's on there.... but i need more aggressive tyres that these.
@7:10 "We didn't manage to do the steps...."? You either seem to have a short memory, Simon, or are too modest. I thought you conquered them on attempt #5? @5:22
Great Sunday morning viewing though!
We sort of did .... get to the top but we did not get any further than in step 5..... so the back did not get over the top !
Wow well I am impressed considering it has fairly mild tires on it the performance was very good. Hopefully LR will be watching this and get the issue with terrain response linked to drivers door issue resolved because if you are having to get out and open gates its going to get annoying very quickly! Anybody seen the new 4x4 made in Rotherham? Its in the farmers weekly looks impressive and more suited to the farm. I'd be interested to see that vs the grenadier vs the defender. www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/4x4s/british-built-ibex-4x4-offers-land-rover-defender-alternative
Yes i will talk to head office on Monday and see if they can look into this issue with the terrain response resetting... also i need to get some training on the terrain response set up and operation.
@@L663 LR give you a ½ day Land Rover Experience day when you buy a LR. You'll get lots of advice & training on getting the best from your LR.
@@L663 If you haven't used your free experience yet, you should try a trip up to North Yorkshire Experience centre, you will have an awesome time. Really nice people and very good instructors. :)
@@WizzardPrang Indeed but not at the moment due to the virus .. and their cars are often better spec than your own......
Even though you could have had better tyres its not real four wheel drive and it was only green laning, i like the looks, but there is way to much elctronic's to use as true off roader but its early days so we will see what can be done by the off road companys.
I don't understand after paying 50k, you don't bother to buy proper off road tyres for it. I can't see a single review on TH-cam that they use the right off road tyres. It's like going to work in pajamas.
Indeed the tyres are the most important for the capability of the vehicle
Spend all the money on the car..... no money left..... but i think i now have management approval for new tyres....
@@L663 I understand. That will be great and looking forward :)
Watch videos from CO Trails. They are in Colorado and have 33 inch mud tires on theirs. Some serious off road work there.
tires tires tires!
Its time you fitted TOYO MT's to 18" rims
Doesn’t look like you’ve deflated any tyres. That’s the first thing that should of been done.
Yes I agree... also should have used Rock mode for the steps.... but I pretty good first go.... off to buy some new tyres and then go back again !
Clean up video next please!
Yes a few people asking for this... i am enjoying the "trophy mud" for a couple of days.
Bee carfull
Get yourself a set of decent tyres.
Tell that to the boss... I have asked for financial approval ...
powerfulukltd I know the feeling!
Take the camera man outta the car, we need to see everything.
My Ford Focus could have done better, not impressed....I was thinking getting the Rubicon or the Defender.....looks like the Rubicon is the real bad ass. The Defender comes across as a posh swanky soccer mom jeep, it doesn't have the real meat to perform like a off roader.....and yes yes I know this one did not have the off road kit....bottom line, the Defender is great for rich fat mom in the suburbs.
Focus to Defender / Rubicon... thats quite an upgrade.
I really dont think the WAG's will be driving Defenders...they will stick with the Range Rovers....
what is it about the rubicon that you have experienced that makes it the bad ass in your opinion?
Hilarious hearing how this defender 'would' have been off-road capable of it had proper tyres. Except you can't fit anything that remotely resembles an off-road tyre to this overpriced mall crawler. BaahhhaA.
I agree the off road tyre situation is not easy... we are working on a solution !