"Cyclists Are Better People"...REALLY?! | GCN Show Ep. 566
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you ride a bike, you’re a good person…but is this really true? We discuss cycling research investigating whether riding bikes makes you a better human. However, a story that emerged down the road from the GCN Megabase says otherwise... We revisit the expense of cycling and there's cyclocross excitement as the Van de Poel versus Van Aert rivalry is set to return.
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02:17 Are cyclists good humans?
09:40 Cycling shorts
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17:44 Hack/Bodge
24:32 Caption competition
26:17 Comments of the week
32:17 Coming up on GCN
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What bike would you ride if you wanted to be a stealthy criminal? 🥷
probably something along the lines of an E-dutch bike.
Well I feel like Manon has thought a little too hard about this. Might have to call Interpol
Black Canyon Aeroad w/ ENVE 8.9
Wym _if?_
Murdered out unrestricted ebike.
Can't help but admire the professionalism of these two, knowing what was about to drop. Such is the quality of GCN presenters. Thank you.
*Actual conversation with a fellow shopper at a bike shop in Winnipeg, Canada.*
(Fellow shopper and I are looking at a fancy gravel bike on display)
Me: That's a nice bike
Fellow Shopper: I have one just like it, I gave a guy 5 bits for it.
Me: Bit? What's a bit?
Fellow Shopper: Oh, a bit is some crystal meth, I'm a drug dealer.
Nah, you made that up
Careful with those dryer sheets! Don't use on any synthetics including bike kit. They work on the same principle as fabric softener and coat the fibers with a lipid-based (read: fatty) substance that reduces the static buildup but also destroys any performance characters of technical fibers.
Well... Si's jingle ending is probably what it sounds like if this saddle spur thing does not end up behind you... xD
I just imagine a spur saddle rider crashing and quoting Davish Krail: "it came from ... behind" 😁
26:05 Barcelona was a great album, not by Queen, but by Queen’s frontman Freddie Mercury and Spanish soprano,Montserrat Caballé. When I was introduced to the album in 1989 as a high school junior (then dating a Spanish exchange student from Tarragona [just south of Barcelona]), I fell in love with not just the title track, but the whole album. The combination of both Mercury and Caballé won me over then and still does today.
Excellent - I finally won a GCN competition. Thanks GCN and Mous
I think the problem with bike prices is the gap between junk dept store bikes, and a decent, but basic road bike.
A road bike with Sora parts, and cable disc brakes starts around 1500cad. When I bought my first road bike about 18 years ago, it was a specialized Allez triple, mostly sora 8 speed, Tiagra RD, and it was under 600CAD. Even accounting for inflation It shouldn’t be 2.5x the price. Cable disc brakes add a little, but they’re not that expensive.
That's very true, there is a middle ground that seems to have been lost. What do you think the fix to this is?
The crazy thing is you go to the independent brands and I can absolutely put together an indie titanium bike for less in index-linked terms than a comparable bike from 15 years ago. I think this is also true higher up in the more mass-market carbon frame space so long as you avoid a couple of the big brands (Specialized, Trek, I'm looking at you). But in that 1,000 to 2,000 range? It's really, really bad.
@@gcn I don't know, really. You can still get a decent flat-bar bike in that range, and I think most people will just end up sticking with flat bars for a lot longer before they _maybe_ eventually decide they want a proper road bike.
I'd like to see a real budget road groupset that simplifies even more. 1x (around 40t), 8-10 speeds with a focus on the low end. (less speeds is fine as long as there's low enough gears. A beginner doesn't need an 11t, could cut it off at 13-15t. I'll be a bit spinny pedaling down hills, but that's fine. Cable disc brakes are fine, though ideally they would set them up with more cable pull at the lever and make them compatible with hybrid bike brakes, since that'll make them feel less mushy. (I would like this to happen even on higher end groupsets, but everyone seems to be fixated on hydraulics) The shifter could be whatever's cheapest and works. The old Sora thumb lever STIs I had on my old 8 speed were fine, if that'll save a few bucks.
Can't see Manon on a moped BUT I can on a chic vintage Vespa scooter. Cool shades, sleeveless top and capri pants living la Dolce Vita!
The way things are going, my next bike will likely be custom steel. No proprietary parts and cable routing that will allow ease of home servicing. I took disc brakes on the chin, but there's no way I'm shelling out thousands for a bike with fully integrated front-end cabling. Even metal fabricators are at it now. Seems like a trend that's being forced on consumers. Some love it, but it will be interesting to see how the average consumer copes with it in the long term.
Welcome to the club brother. Nothing beats made to your body steel. Try to get a t47i bottom bracket on your custom
You don't need custom you just need Fairlight.
@@kevvjj2629 lol I took a look at those bikes they all have a 105kg rider weight limit aka they are junk. Custom steel is fine for 400 pound rider.
Made the same decision recently with US-built titanium. Doesn’t need to be custom if you get measurements right and a bike fit.
@@kevvjj2629 I've got a Strael v3.0 so yes totally agree. Hopefully they don't follow the trend.......fingers crossed!
While the song "Barcelona" indeed was featured in Queen's Greatest Hits III compilation, it's actually not a Queen song, but a collaboration between Freddie Mercury and Montserrat Caballé, originally released by them as a single and in an album with the same title. Besides Mercury, no other Queen members were involved.
Tut tut tut... Si really needs to listen to more queen 👀
I imagine he just skips to bicycle race ... I want to ride my bicycle ...
In all seriousness though, which auction site are the drug lord’s bikes going to end up on and how can I find the link? 😂😂😂
"No-one can rip you off if you refuse to buy their products" - words the bike industry needs to take to heart! Personally I'll be building my next bike out of slightly out of date compondnts (available really cheap and still lots of spares sitting in warehouses) a second hand frame (maybe) and cheap (yet nowadays really good) chinese wheels. The midrange of performance bikes is still either not addressed by the industry or too expensive
I'm on Van Aert's side for Christmas, definitely. My usual 'celebration' is a week's training camp on Gran Canaria, avoiding as much of Christmas as humanly possible and drowning my frustration in my own sweat climbing the steepest hills I can find!
Sounds like a great time spent on the bike! Tell us you at least have a Christmas meal?
@@gcn I can assure you I eat every day, on and off the bike! 😉
My drug lord bike would be the Moots Routt CRD. Titanium Gravel option for the off-road getaway seems like a good option.
Hahaha we didn't think of that! A speedy getaway across all surfaces is a must 😂
As someone who commutes from Chipping Sodbury to Bath by bike twice a week, I wish it was only 5 miles away. Its between 16 and 20 depending on route choice. Thanks for the Sodbury Cycle Sport promo, I think!! 🤣
Not a flat commute either?👀
It's a relatively flat 20 miles on the bike path or 16 going via lansdown.
I should have copyrighted my photo 🤣
The issue isn't the existence of expensive bikes. It's the gaping hole in the market between cheap and expensive. It's the equivalent of having to choose between an 80's Toyota and modern Ferrari.
Although there is nothing wrong about 80s Toyota, but we really lack modern Civics, be them Type R or not. And to add insult to injury saing you have to go cheap (which will definetely won't last long) or second hand is same as "let them eat cake". Buying second hand is a choice full of compromises and risks people must assess rationally, not fall for out of despair
Really frustrating to hear GCN saying ‘we don’t force you’ of course they don’t but they cannot deny that they take a lot of money from bike companies to promote their products, GCN is not a neutral voice commenting on the industry, GCN is the industry commenting on itself.
I'd sooner have the 1980's Toyota. As Ferrari will sue you. Unlike Toyota.
Make videos about how to navigate buying bikes and parts online. How to spot fakes and lemons 🍋 etc. Videos on how to do maintenance/ swaps on the entry level bikes. The tests you guys you guys do should include entry to mid-tier bikes 🚲 and show how that’s really what most people need. Wants vs Needs haha
I just went on a 30 mile ride with my squad last Sunday and we stopped for 2 separate individuals that needed help. One was a chain fix and the other didn't bring a pump. This was the 4rh time my unassuming tiny 8" carbon fiber lipstick pump helped someone other than myself. They had a 3 mile walk back to their car but my lipstick pump (ew, sounds weird) pumped enough air to ride slowly. I'm still glad I have it after 12 years owning it! WooHoo!
If it's Tucson on Saturday and live, I presume that it is the yearly Tour de Tucson comprising 5 mile (fun ride), half century (50 km/32 mile), full century (100 km/62 mile), and 104 mile bike races. Events include a bike expo Thursday through Saturday. In addition, I believe that Bob Roll and Christian Vande Velde are hosting a ride with the pros and Critium class this week. I am 65 (just turned) and will be riding for the first time ever and taking on the 104 mile full event. I am as always a big fan, and I hope to run into them sometime during the festivities! Looking forward to the content. Keep up the excellent work. BTW, tell them to take a ride on the Tucson Loop bike trail while they are here. Best paved bike trail in the world covering over a hundred miles in and around and circumnavigating Tucson, providing scenic desert landscapes, wildlife (coyotes, road runners, snakes, deer, etc), and paralleling four washes and rivers, which originally provided the water for humans to inhabit here. I was thinking for years that I should suggest you come out for the Loop if nothing else. I'll keep an eye out for them!
Looks like Olie was here and took 3rd place in his age group. 🎉 Way to go Olie! On a darker note, the results listed him as being from the US. 😮
Asked to divulge his secret new superfood, Tadej responded that it would be kept under wraps.
I've always thought that a squad of randonneurs would be extremely effective at drug trafficking. They can travel long distances with ease in all conditions, they can carry lots of stuff, and nobody would be suspicious of a bunch of older dudes in spandex and hi-vis vests.
Hahahaha! All those rando bags too, they've got the cargo space 😂
A mid 90's Landshark w/ alllllll the bling: Dura Ace STI, 32hole gl330 rims built by a certified Wheelsmith wheelsmith, silk sewups, SS bottle cages, a fancy Avocet bike computer and the best Taco Truck I could find as my sag wagon serving Pete's coffee
Cycling improves you as a person, so you become your better self. It doesn't change your essential self, it only improves what is already there & doesn't make us better than Others. It makes a good person better but can't change a horrible person.
There is no essential self.
I missed the show on being ‘ripped off’ but having caught up: when I returned to cycling aged 58 (2 years ago) I balked at spending £50 on a pair of cycling shoes (as an example) but now, I’ve learnt that good quality kit - costs. Just bought a pair of GTX winter shoes and what a difference! Toastie tootsies!! But, I do find that I am more willing to spend more than I ever thought I would because even my limited experience has taught me that quality costs. Search those sales, watch prices, buy when right and love your LBS.
Around here most dealers seem to ride Carrera MTB's or the municipal hire bikes.
I just had a100km ride and said hello to around 20 people and also fixed a broken bike ,so yes cycling makes you more friendly.
Wouldn't want to be using that Saddlespur seat if I was cyclocross racing, especially on the remounts.😳
😳
Ouch...
The bounce(fabric softener) segment was hilarious. I never realized people had no idea what they were. You could throw it in your bag for a nice smell
I've heard that they also work well for getting bugs off your head tube and teeth.
That was a wheely bright idea for that light fitting!
BA DUM SHHHHHH 🥁
There are light mounts readily available online which mount on saddle rails, no need to 3d print.
Exactly I got one off Amazon for about a tenner for my Garmin Veria
Drug Cartel bike- I think I'd go with the Pinarello Dogma X in Xolar Black. You never know when you need to get fast and for how long if you are being chased.
A small piece of chain is used to thread a line down through the mast of a sailing boat. The weight makes it drop the nylon line down from top to bottom. Some of us are much older than Barcelona by Queen!!
It would be worth taking about regulating cat4 bike races to make it more accessible I.e - no aero socks or carbon wheels for example. Turning up to a race when someone is on geraint thomas' ex team bike and all manner of aero kit may put some people off.
We’re not built to be sedentary, and much of society’s anxiety is excess energy. Strenuous exercise both expels that excess energy and make you physically and mentally more healthy. So in essence, all exercise will make you able to be a better person.
The saddle spur reminds me of Mac’s exercise bike in It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Best benefit of electronic groupsets is definitely actually been able to shift onto the big ring when your hands are freezing!
#captioncompetition plastic wrap around your greens makes them more aerodynamic and saves about 12% of intestinal friction resistance when you eat them. UCI might ban this pretty soon though.
Bontrager saddles also have the saddle screw holes to integrate with their Flare lights, looks slick 👌
this is what happens when you get a proctologist to design a bike saddle
Manon is now Matt Damon escaping on her moped from the CIA.
If you have a D shaped seat post, cut a wine cork in half (or a smaller section as required) and tape it to the back of the post where you want to mount the light. Hey Presto - a round post.
Now that’s a ‘why didn’t I think of that!’ HACK in the spirit of hack/bodge of old
Bikes have got more expensive, but so has everything else.
I don’t have superstar bike money, or needs. But I also don’t want to buy cheap, repeatedly.
So I just got a £6k Ribble Endurance Ti, Ultegra Di2, Zipp 303 Firecrest for £3k ish.
25% discount from Ribble as they are about to refresh the range, and Cycle to Work Scheme.
It’s way more than I’d pay otherwise, but good lord it’s lovely!
If I were a drug lord, I wouldn't ride the expensive bike. In order to launder the funds, I'd place a bike shop and start the speculation game and sell already expensive bikes at a crazy markup and drive the price crisis even higher by incentivizing that brands sell already expensive things even more expensive. Kinda explains why the sport is as it is currently.
The answer is above Si's head...... A Raleigh Chopper...... I've seen a custom one, stretched with bigger wheels and is proper adult size.
Simon. Barcelona wasn't a Queen track. It was Freddie Mercury and Montserrat
Caballé track.
Definitely the Damien Hirst Trek Madone - [$500,000] ridden by Lance Armstrong in 2009 - although it would be slightly conspicuous at your local Club rides 😆
Nice story about Juan Castillo! Us Castillos are awesome!
#captioncompetition "Pogacar not hampered by last minute champagne replacement"
Pendant corner - "Barcelona" wasn't a Queen track but Freddie Mercury and Montserrat Caballé.
We need a video about the SaddleSpur! Give them a chance to explain themselves lol
Monterey, California is in Monterey County, Santa Cruz, California is in Santa Cruz County, not to tough to remember. Those 2 cities are located on opposite ends of Monterey Bay. Come visit, both cities and counties, visit Sea Otter, bring your bike!
The Annapurna film is definitely worth a watch
Bounce is a household staple in the USA similar to salt and Pepper 😂😊
Loveeeee the banter
I've circulated among professional/olympic athletes a fair amount when I lived in Colorado Springs, including snowboarders, kayakers, runners, and cyclists. The ones you would recognize as arrogant were the cyclists. I have only ever been fat-shamed by a cyclist. Any personal accomplishment of which I was proud (like the time on my best century ride) are beyond a cyclist's ability to share happiness. Only the cyclists said "You can't come with us" whereas the snowboarders and kayakers were delighted to spend time with amateurs and hobbyists. If you want to know why no one cares when cyclists get hit by cars, you can look at your professionals and how they treat ordinary people.
Great seeing Manon here! Ya know, women in the office don't have to be like the coffee machine; you can have more than one. Great show.
Totally agree to the price/buying point. I recently upgraded to a "new" (second hand) aero rim brake bike. Compared to all the disc brake bikes from the same generation (~2019) is was cheap a.f.! Now I a have a totally fine aero bike which is a lot better than my old one for under 1.300€!
10 years or so ago a guy was pedling 'Power Back' which promised more watts like 'saddle spur'. Doubt it lasted long.
Just watched the Annapurna video. Looked like a fantastic ride. Watching all these videos you really should do a video about all the filmographers who go with you. They make some beautiful films! And must be pretty brave!
This might be a good annual holiday segment, the making of videos from the past year along with the out-takes, mistakes, and extras not originally seen.
A shame it's all coming to an end.
I usually turn down my bike lights. sometime however. If I don't hit the switch correctly. The light doesn't dim.
Now, that’s a great idea. Do a comparison of the lower end/entry level bikes from the major manufacturers. I ride a Specialized Sirrus X, not their top of the line, but it’s not a Eurobike. How would it compare to similar offerings from other manufacturers? The bikes they offer that us blue collar types can afford.
If I were a "Cycling Drug Lord" I would use a recumbent trike, that way I could use the boom as storage as well as designing an insert for those 26x4 inch fat tires.
Hey Si and Manon just so you’re aware if not already. I’ve been blessed to win that amazing Orbea Gain. Still waiting for it. Had a set of bib tights and Jersey as courtesy for waiting from Orbea Think it would be fitting to have the bike with some GCN Gear Maybe Contents on GCN still amazing by the way. Thanks
One of my local dealers used to ride around on a Trek. Think it was an Emonda
Just as Manon says "hold your pelvis in a fixed position" and add played and the first image was the words "72 balls". I was eating my lunch,🤣 now i am picking it out of my keyboard!
It is interesting that you talk about drug lords and have a "Chopp5r" number plate on the shelf. "Chopper" Read was a well known villain in Melbourne who, on one of his terms in Pentridge Prison, sliced off his ears to look more fearsome! I suspect that it also helped with being more aero on the bike, but I am really not sure Chopper would ride a modern bike more likely a Raleigh Chopper.
If I was drug lord I would ride an SWORKS Aethos, but have a custom paint job with portraits of Pablo Escobar, Frank Lucas, El Chapo and other notable drug lords. The background would be hundred dollar bills, lines of coke, cannabis and other drugs and paraphernalia. The helmet and shoes would match the bike with images of fictional drug lords like Tony Montana, and Walter White.
The saddle spur might be aerodynamically good for attaching things like bikepacking saddle bag, extra bottles, rain jacket pouch.
Interesting! Does Ollie need to test it out? 👀
@@gcnYES!
Sorry Si, Barcelona was a Freddie solo hit not a band song.
I agree with you comment/logic that we buy the latest bikes because they are an upgrade from or different than our current bike. I have a Colnago C64 with rim brakes and mechanical group set. IF I were to buy a new bike, it would have disc brakes and electronic group set. That's because my C64 is so amazing that why bother if I'm not going to disc and Di2.
"No one can rip you off if you refuse to buy their products." Such a statement assumes everyone just has the means to afford the bike they might want or need when, in actuality, they might not. Also, suggesting that people not buy bikes isn't the best way to promote the idea that people should get into cycling or support local bikes shops.
Yeah, it's kind of saying that poor people should just stay away from cycling. It's a long way from the affordable cycling for all message that we need. Maybe if I'd been getting free top end bikes for years, then I'd lose touch with reality for ordinary people as well.
We're eagerly awaiting the unveiling of Simon's nephew's bicycle. Our curiosity levels are off the charts!
I guess I forget dryer sheets aren't a thing in other places
Great content, thank you....
One question, where did "BIKE VAULT" go? Have not seen it in recent episodes....
Thanks
Check the GCN Tech show 😉
My drug lord bike would be an blinged out Caynon mountain e-bike. Cops would be chasing you and you could just take a left, straight into the woods and you could get away. The key is to be just be good, technically speaking. Get through basically anything with those things.
Ex-prosecutor here (spent the 1990s in the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office): Bikes were routinely used by drug dealers here and probably still are. In fact, ‘90s Brooklyn had the phenomenon of the bike by shooting (I prosecuted a couple of those cases).
Fascinating, did you ever see which bikes were being used?
@@gcn Typically mountain bikes or BMX bikes, and those were generally stolen from the real owners at that.
I ride to work on an aero bike too. And there is definitely a place for that mount in the world 👍
man when i'm ''really'' training. i'm just grumpy all the time.
Brings new meaning to: addicted to cycling.
Conor McGregor rides a blinged out Factor One. He has the street cred of your friendly neighbourhood coke dealer, so I’ll stick with his bike
Glad you weren't wearing your retro climbs t-shirts when talking about the Saddle Spur
Barcelona - Freddie Mercury and Montserrat Caballe, not a Queen song. Despite this slight discretion, still an enjoyable show!!! Thanks!
#captioncompetition Tadej branching out of the bunch.
My drug dealer bike would be something like a Moots 45 titanium gravel bike with Zipp race wheels - this bike is outrageously expensive for me 😂❤🎉
Simon. It’s peak down. 🎊 🎉
The BEST mood I'm in ANYTIME ANYWHERE is when I GET where/when I get, by bike! It's the dopamine, we're in constant dopamine "reward" FROM the work put in! It's NATURAL dopamine from effort so yeah, being happier than MOST has to have an effect on a social level! Also, we stress less DUE to the positive overall effects on the body, brain, NATURE connection. It's just, a BETTER "lifestyle!"👍🚴❤♾🚴♾😉
Your hypothetical druglord cycling banter has me in stitches! The two of you are a hoot and a half. Si is half.
LED's in leu of rim tape
Better people? How? I feel guilty going carbon frame and Di2. I stick to alloy frames and mechanical. Can be recycled. Batteries from Di, and old carbon frames are pretty gruesome in land fills.
Upgrading my really nice 2016 Cervelo is nigh impossible as I can't go any bigger than 25s, and carbon aero wheels just don't seem like something that "fits." So my marginal gains are 1) getting out to ride on a nice day and 2) not getting hit by a motorist.
Yes Si (we) (Bristol) police watch GCN.
If I were a drug lord and not a poor public servant I’d defo ride that Aston Martin seen on GCN last week!
Less expensive bikes are not less expensive they still are expensive relatively to what you pay for. So a metal frame with aluminum wheels and other heavy parts and heavy 9 speed group set should not cost more than 700€. If they cost more then they are considered expensive.
I built my own superbike and sorted everything from different retailers best quality frame, bottom bracket, wheels and other parts). I've managed to save more than 2000€ maybe much more if you know that some brands sell very expensive frames that don't worth the price asked for.
Almost all bike brands are just retailers, frames build somewhere in Asia parts sorted from different sources, they assemble everything and sell it to you at MSRP.
For example, if you try to build the same build as the brand (using the same frame and parts) you will find out that you don't get a discounted group set for example. Why?
I don't believe Trek or Canyon by shimano groupset from a bike shop 😂
Si. Say something incorrect about star trek or dr who. It will make the Simpsons flaming feel like a gentle massage.
It’s got to be one of the old chopper bikes
The saddlespur really puts “asshatchet” in perspective!
Si. It's literally called "crime of passion" :):):)
Pedantic I know but Si is wrong again. 🤣 Barcelona was Freddie Mercury solo with Monserrat Caballe, and not a Queen song/album.
3 weeks in a row about bikes being too expensive. How about some videos on the best sub £1000 bikes? And videos on cheaper parts and equipment
Or ebay. I've bought two bikes on ebay and built two with parts (new / unused) I bought on ebay. The most expensive one was the TT bike with dura-ace that cost me £800 to build (excluding wheels because I've already got plenty)
Walmart's got some interesting "Mongoose" brand bikes with Aluminum frames (pronounced "a-lume-i-numb here in the states) for about $150. If you end up liking cycling, you can just replace the parts as they wear out and end up with a pretty reasonable bike.
@@chuckmccracken4136 interesting fact. Aluminium was discovered by Sir Humphrey Davy. A Cornishman who is from my home town of Penzance. He named it aluminum. So actually Americans are closer to the original pronunciation and spelling than us. Give yourselves a pat on your back.