He knew. They had that talk after the giraffes. “After everything we’ve been. Everything I’ve done. It can’t be for nothing.” He knew and it’s why he lied.
Some praise what he did others condemn it. Everyone is right i guess. But as i personally see it, joel owes this world nothing, when he needed humans the most, they killed his daughter, now hes supposed to sacrifice another one for them?
@@jacklan4103 doesn’t matter at all as she wasn’t even conscious for her to make that decision, it was all said in retrospect. And even then, how would a neurosurgeon be able to reverse engineer a vaccine by ripping fungus out of a young girl’s brain? And if it did work, who would get the vaccine? Just the people the fireflies are friendly with? And how exactly would they even get this vaccine to other continents? And how much of a difference would it make when the infected can still come in and tear you to pieces? They run in groups.
@@jacklan4103 how? The Fireflies would never have succeeded because one: they tried killing the very thing that was giving them the vaccine so if they failed they wouldn’t be able to replicate it and two: why would everyone want a vaccine? Rapists and scavengers are thriving in this Post-Apocalyptic world?
@@jacklan4103 never gave ellie a choice. They never told her. Sure she said she would want to die to Joel. But she was also making plans for the future
Yes he did that at the end of the winter chapter, that is the moment you realise that this dilemma was inevitable, Ellie is Sarah reborn in his eyes and nobody is taking her away, it’s a very human story
@@noblesavage8964 it made his character more human i don't have kids of my own but Joel pretty much adopting Ellie as his lost daughter makes me tear up the world took everything from him so i don't think he was selfish by saving Ellie.
This is one area that I think the game triumphs over the series, is when Joel is running to the hospital with Ellie and his arms, much like he did with Sarah at the beginning of the game. It's the dialogue that he speaks to Ellie as he's running through the hospital with her in his arms, it gives the impression that in this moment he's not just trying to save Ellie, but that he is actually reliving that time same scenario with Sarah over 20 years ago. I spotted it the first time I played it, and as a human being, its where I truly understood Joel's sincerity behind his actions, even if morally they might have been considered questionable. It was here what Joel did made the most sense out of Ellie's perspective in the 2nd game, where she accuses Joel of robbing her life of meaning by saving her, but here Joel showed through his actions her life DID mean something - it meant something to him, Tommy, Maria, Jesse, and Dina - and that she didn't have to die a martyr for that to happen..
The first time I played this sequence I failed and they yanked Ellie out of Joel's hands and then shot him in the head. I thought that was supposed to happen and felt like shit but then it restarted and I was happy.
Lmao, failing without realizing it makes it feel so legit, that's the scary part of games like this. I feel they should make a penalty screen for deaths in moments like this. So that it genuinely feels like the end unless you go back to the save and hit "continue" A developer in their most sadistic form yet
He thinks two seconds when Marlene asks her to stop and then not one second of hesitation for what he does next. "You would just come after her." and shoots dead. Lies easily about other people being immune both at the return and just outside Jackson. Not one second of hesitation. Masterpiece!
Yeah, that slight flick of the wrist where he shoots her in an instant is sort of funny. No way someone would handle a firearm like that. However, it DEFINITELY make for better storytelling. I wouldn't change it at all.
You might want to replay this part of the game, and take the time to find all the voice recorders. You might discover Joel didn't lie about as much as you think he did.
Let's not kid ourselves. Joel is making a choice for Ellie, but how much of a choice is it to tell a 14 year old that she must die so that everyone else can live? Who was her advocate when the "no other option" discussion was held?
@@alexdeghost2729 ellie was probably fine with dying seeing how in part two she said "I was supposed to die in that hospital. My life would've mattered. But you took that" if that isnt proof I don't know what is
@@GrapeFruitWIS That doesn’t justify killing her for an operation without her consent. Joel says it best. “It ain’t for YOU to decide.” Also that scene is contrived because the ending of Part I implies that Ellie knows she’s being lied to but spares Joel the burden of any further hardship just as Joel did to her when she woke up. It was an ambiguous ending that neither condoned or condemned him because they know they didn’t need to. Part II in general is contrived so it’s not surprising.
No guarantee that they would have found a cure. Replay this part of the game and take the time to find all the voice recorders. Joel was justified, and didn't lie as much as you think.
@@GrapeFruitWISEllie is saying that while she’s alive and not in the position to decide anymore. It’s easy to say what you would have done when the opportunity has passed. Just like how Abby said she’d let them kill her if she were immune. It’s easy for her to say that because she isn’t in the situation at all and has no effect on her.
@@daniellaradiaz5476 She understood she just would've preferred to die because it was her call to make, not Joel's, he also lied to her for years, he promised he was telling the truth that's why the last time they talk she says she doesn't know if she can forgive him but she'd try. Except Joel run into Abby and she killed him. I'm sure Ellie regrets being so harsh on Joel plus she could've died for nothing, the fireflies got so many people killed in search of a cure, i wish Joel had explained that to her that the odds of a cure working were slim, let alone restore civilization with so many infected but I guess he was willing to accept her resentment even if it hurt him because like he says if he could go back he'd do the same thing because he loves her and he didn't want to lose her, he doesn't want to excuse himself just letting her know that he doesn't regret saving her.
This is a tough situation both ways. On one side, there are so many things they could have done before killing Ellie. Blood tests, lumbar puncture, biopsies, etc. Not to mention they never even gave Ellie the chance to consent to this operation. On the other side though, I can’t imagine Ellie going through the rest of her life knowing everyone she loves getting infected after this event could have been prevented.
Eh i just played the game, and while going through the last bits, the recordings did have a bit of uncertainty about finding a cure/vaccine. Obviously it would have been not a good chance developing a vaccine for a fungal infection. Regardless, let's say that it was a perfect chance. Considering the doctors said that her fungal infection had "mutated". This means that her immunity comes from the fungus mutating(and not destroying her brain) and not from some antibodies she'd randomly have in her body(since neither of her parents were known to be immune either). They did not need to remove the fungus from her brain to possibly find a solution to this problem. Perhaps getting a small amount from her to infect someone else would have been a first good basis for tests. Let's be honest the doctors were incompetent (because they rushed things due to excitement). And it's better this way.
@@sereniiitiethe doctors weren’t just incompetent, they also had no clue what they were doing. The average age of a surgeon in the U.S after all their training is 37. The events of the first game was explicitly said to be 20 years after the outbreak. Abby’s dad would have had to been over 50 years old but he doesn’t look like it, none of the doctors did. They were at best med school students.
@@kanyegrande4312 Not that I'm defensive of the story, but I always assumed Abby's dad was more likely a surgeon in training before the world changed and had been feverishly searching for a cure for those 20 years, likely with a trail of ethically questionable choices. Perhaps dissecting infected and such. I would think this might still be possible. However, that 20 year gap makes it really hard to micromanage his whole backstory to get him to where he was.
@@jackderridaAbby’s dad looks to be early 40’s. He was definitely an adult during the outbreak BUT he is definitely too young to have been a surgeon especially one that specializes in such a delicate procedure. At best he was in his residency but even that isn’t enough to qualify him for such a role unless he was working with military surgeons the past 20 years. I’d also like to say that they were definitely going to just straight up kill Ellie. They didn’t even prep her for brain surgery she still has a head full of hair. These are the type of dr that made malpractice insurance rates sky rocket.
Seriously I don’t think you could end a game better, build up to this is unreal, killing fire fires feels wrong, but I was Joel when I played this, just wanted Ellie saved no matter what
I mean in the tapes if you fully listen to them…there were immune people like Ellie and they died from similar procedures. Joel was NOT going to take a chance with his baby girl.
I dare say Joel did the right thing. The world is already half dead as it is. And how would they sell the cure anyway? The city was dead. I have an idea but still. And it’s more often people get torn to shreds then just bitten. She deserves to live too. But I don’t think killing Marlene was necessary.
Of course he did the right thing, they went straight to the most extreme option when attempting to develop a cure which wasn't a guaranteed, like they could've killed her for nothing. Even if it worked a cure wouldn't have saved the world or undone the damage at best it would've just stop zombies from being created not the ones that already exist. They aren't even a major threat anymore someone experienced can easily avoid them. The bigger thing plaging the world being the faction wars. Plus they were going to send joel out into the world without any of his gear which is pretty much a death sentence.
@@retroelite1019 glad we’re on the same page. And yes there’s the fact that it wasn’t guaranteed and sure you can survive a bite without amputated but still it’s not even similar to twd. Surely you know what I mean. Also it took joel a lot of guts to lie to her like that. I could never lie like that honestly🙁
Marlene was going in a very tyrannical and radical path from the beginning, they was committing the same mistakes of the past; Marlene was so eager to find the cure that she didn’t care about the promise she made to Ellie’s mother… so with that we can see that Marlene only wanted to be a “hero” for her own pride and her own cause… for me, The Fireflies aren’t saviors, they are just a desperate attempt of revolution, that only cares about an Idea… not people
So because Marlene had to break a promise to Ellie Mom, that makes the Fireflies the bad guys for trying to develop and cure for the virus and overthrow the tyrannical FEDRA? lol what mental gymnastics
@@noblesavage8964 yep they are the bad guys not just because they broke a promise and kill an innocent girl but also Marlene was a coward who was prepared to run away and leave everyone to die just so she can vaccinate herself she was a selfish terrorist that is why she got killed.
Fireflies are just a wrong failed way to try to make things "better" Wolves are just poor hateable imitations of a sort of army/police force Seraphites/Scars are just an insane cult that is strong but still a punching bag for Ellie and Abby Rattlers are just the biggest a-holes in the world and enjoyable to blow them to pieces. The games are amazing and i love everything about it but thats how i would see these groups of people if i was in ellies place😂
While they are clearly villains, your dismissing a whole lot to say she just wanted to be a hero. There's a strong case for what she did. Much stronger one against it, sure. But they weren't as morally impotent as you're imagining.
I am completely on Joel's side on this one the world was never going to be fixed what got me angry was Marlene and that stupid doctor that did not even research they just jumped to conclusions and almost killed a little girl to test those conclusions without proof!
Joel may or may not have done the right thing, but he did the thing most of us would have done. Besides, if you read the notes it says there's no guarantee they could have made a vax with her blood. She could have very easily died for nothing.
Why in the world would they need to kill her to get blood to make vaccine? I know nothing about this series, but that makes zero sense. Assume they had some magic explanation to this?
There are so many things in this world that can kill you. Killing one human being to possibly find a cure is morally wrong. That’s like saying we should kill someone to find the cure for aids or cancer it’ll never stop. And a vaccine would technically not cure the virus. No Joel did the right thing because when will the killing stop when?
I like how this series kept majority of the storyline from the game. The Last of Us was one of the best game I have ever played not only gameplay but the story was amazing.
@@alexdeghost2729 Yeah it does. The world took his daughter so he took what the world needed. A dark twisted sense of spite all to justify for himself to have what it's like to have a daughter again
joel was right. the doctor wasnt even really a doctor, the chances for the cure was so damn low even more given that person preforming the surgery was just a bio major.
Another thing I love is how he looks in the elevator. His face goes from one of “Holy crap… we made it… no cure anymore…” to that of “It was for her, it was worth it.”
Wonder what would've happened if Ellie woke up during all this madness either in Joel's arms as he's running away with her or in the back of the car seeing him shoot Marlene
I mean I understand the trolley problem but tbf both Fireflies and Joel could just wait till she's conscious and ask her if she wants to sacrifice herself. It's called consent damn it 🙄
i think so to joel never had a chance to talk with her he couldnt knew if she wants or not But the fireflys made that decision that she dont need 2 talk to him They instantly tried the experiment. So in a split joel decided to safe her from his perspective.
@pranav5788 tf? Dude when basing a show off source material, the source material will always matter. The shows awesome but man what wild outlandish take
@@pranav5788I think you underestimate the reach of the last of us it’s on like every Sony console since ps3 And was that big a series was made off it like you know
In Part 2, she said she would willingly do it, hence why she hated Joel for so long cuz he took away her one purpose; to cure the world at all cost. Child Abby says the same thing. "If it was me... I'd want you to do the surgery."
One thing that seemed funny to me , is when he saved ellie , he didn't shot any of the doctors , but if you play the second game (TLoU2) you will see that one of the doctors is Abby's father (abby is one of the "villain" characters in the second game and that her dad was actually killed , but Joel didn't shot any of those doctors , just seemed funny to me
It’s not really about that, it’s a story of opening up after trauma, and of finding love in a seemingly loveless world. I think Tommy also shows this with his new life rather than pursuing the fireflies cause
@@pranav5788 difference of opinion i guess, i just really didnt think it fit for joe to be casually strolling and taking unnecessarily long to kill people when he knew ellie was about to die but didn't know how much time he had to save her
I agree, it's really a different vibe, from pure terror and panic to angry vengeance and bloodlust. I didn't play the game, but this scene feels better than the series for me.
@@chexmax2848 I mean if we go down that road you can find faults with the game too. Why would Marlene send just one dude to escort Joel out and also she could have just straight up lied and stalled Joel for a few hours and in the end could have just shot him instead of trying to convince him. I do feel that they rushed this episode though.
@@pranav5788 Because Marlene actually knew Joel as a person. In the second game she even says the Joel deserves to know about Ellie's 'fate' since he travelled with her across the country
@@HDPLAYGROUND1911 People have uploaded the music from the games straight on to yt tho, they’ve been up for years. I can understand if showing the credits isn’t allowed but the music should be isn’t it?
Someone told me that really Joel is the villain but not in the traditional villain way (kills people b/c he wants to) but more of the “sacrifice the world to save you” kind of villain & that fits so perfectly. He’d rather sacrifice mankind for eliie than sacrifice ellie for mankind & that is beautiful
This ending was amazing. I felt like I was playing the villain, but at the same time, I completely understood why Joel did what he did. The final fight, killing the fireflies, had my stomach in a knot, but im pretty sure I would commit acts of evil to protect the ones I love if that was my only option. I hated killing those guards, really hated killling the doctor, but it had to be done. Did Joel do the right thing? Honestly, I don't think so, but what he did was understandable. Someone told me that there is a note or recording that says the surgery would most likey fail and not create a cure, not sure if thats true, but that makes Joels actions even more understandable if true.
When i played this for the first time, i felt Joel's desperation as i had no idea where tf i was supposed to go and even in my head i was like "shit where's the exit" just for joel to immediately say after "godamn it which way?" There's no clear way or indicator of where to go at least for me during my first playthrough and i think this was done deliberately. All you could do is run to where it seems clear and get ellie to safety. I was not going to allow joel to lose his baby girl again
I think that joel did the right thing to be honest, I mean who knows maybe if the cure did end being made and Ellie died because of it the firefly’s couldn’t distribute it around because the whole city and everyone is basically dead, I think they would just use it for their gain
What you have here is Utilitarianism vs Deontology. Ellie is either a means to a potential greater end or the greater end within itself. One thing no player knows for sure is IF the procedure would have worked at all. It was a gamble … a gamble Joel chose not to make in the end. He chose Deontology… but more importantly, he chose Ellie.
I get the point but I don't think deontology ethics would say it's ok to shoot up a hospital, kill a doctor and blast Marlene's brains out when she's no longer a threat
"Swear to me. Swear to me that everything you said about the fireflies is true". "I swear".... That beautiful little lie. I lost it 🤯🥺.... heartbreaking and wrong. And for me the most satisfying end to a video game, movie, or book ever. I wouldn't have written it any other way 💔
In my eyes, Joel did the right thing. Even if Ellie's death would have 100 percent created a cure, I don't think it would be worth it. Humanity as whole, as it's depicted in this series, doesn't deserve to be saved. There are individual people that are good and worth protecting, people like Ellie, but in general humanity has become savage and despicable and is undeserving of rescue at the cost of an innocent child
I compare this game to Witcher 3, it is a same struggle with completely different ending. Ciri selflessly makes a heartbreaking sacrifice and a player (Geralt) is faced with the profound choice of accepting Ciri's decision. Geralt's acceptance, tinged with both sorrow and understanding adds a different layer of emotions. Both games are outstanding.
When this game first came out I remember picking the hardest difficulty available at the beginning and in this scene just went off. I could feel the emotion running through me. No game ever did that for me like this one in this scene. Fuck tlou2
He's definitely not right for killing innocent people who had nothing to do with this but like from an objective point, he had his reasons. He's definitely not a good man but he's not the worst either
Marlene didn’t even have the common decency to give her friend’s daughter a full choice. She withheld the full truth due to her own selfishness. If Ellie knew everything and had still gone through with it with her own autonomy and Joel still interfered, then maybe I would see why people would say Joel is in the wrong here. But because Marlene took that away from her, all I can see is Joel did nothing wrong in regard to rescuing an innocent child being murdered. Yes Joel is wrong for lying to Ellie but Marlene ultimately made a decision due to her reckless selfishness and for that, is the one more in the wrong than Joel.
I can see both sides of the coin in this here and to me that’s what makes this ending so masterful, you can easily make an argument either way as to weither or not he did the right thing. On the one hand, Joel may have doomed humanity completely. He took its once chance for any return to normality and any fighting chance for the world to thrive once more. He did that so he could have his daughter at the expense of all the others That said on the other hand the world was already gone long ago, the vaccine was a pipe dream at this point that wouldn’t have solved anything, not by now. Ellie was immune to the infection, not the infected, they could still kill her, tear her to shreds, maul her, devour her. So what if they were immune, the infected still have the advantage. Even if the vaccine worked the fireflies are terrorists in the eyes of fedra and they were hard pressed to just transport Ellie, nevermind the vaccine towards the dozens of armed groups, raiders, isolationists, quarantine zones etc. all of which would easily be skeptical and even turn away vaccines. Look at how badly people wanted a Covid vaccine and how fast it was rejected, Joel’s actions made not one bit of difference in my mind. The world took more from each other than the virus and took everything from Joel, Jim taking everything away from the world to get a daughter back is just satisfying
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The issue is they never asked Ellie before hand what she wanted. The never gave her a choice. He was well within his right to defend her
He knew. They had that talk after the giraffes. “After everything we’ve been. Everything I’ve done. It can’t be for nothing.” He knew and it’s why he lied.
@@MichaelJohnson-wu4tvnah, Marlene should have waited for Ellie to wake up and talk for consent about the surgery.
@@k125catu5consent in an apocalypse?
Good Lord.
That’s life. Sometimes people have to make choices for you and the choices they make are derived by their own life experience.
What were they so afraid of?! That’d she’d say no?!
Some praise what he did others condemn it. Everyone is right i guess. But as i personally see it, joel owes this world nothing, when he needed humans the most, they killed his daughter, now hes supposed to sacrifice another one for them?
That was not his call to make. It was Ellie's and she wanted to die for something meaningful.
@@jacklan4103 doesn’t matter at all as she wasn’t even conscious for her to make that decision, it was all said in retrospect. And even then, how would a neurosurgeon be able to reverse engineer a vaccine by ripping fungus out of a young girl’s brain? And if it did work, who would get the vaccine? Just the people the fireflies are friendly with? And how exactly would they even get this vaccine to other continents? And how much of a difference would it make when the infected can still come in and tear you to pieces? They run in groups.
@@jacklan4103 how? The Fireflies would never have succeeded because one: they tried killing the very thing that was giving them the vaccine so if they failed they wouldn’t be able to replicate it and two: why would everyone want a vaccine? Rapists and scavengers are thriving in this Post-Apocalyptic world?
@@jacklan4103 they didn’t even ask her. Granted she probably would have went for it. But they didn’t even give her the choice
@@jacklan4103 never gave ellie a choice. They never told her. Sure she said she would want to die to Joel. But she was also making plans for the future
I only just realised Joel calling Ellie, baby girl. So amazing
Yes he did that at the end of the winter chapter, that is the moment you realise that this dilemma was inevitable, Ellie is Sarah reborn in his eyes and nobody is taking her away, it’s a very human story
They added it in with the remake. He never called her baby girl in the original or the remaster
@@noblesavage8964 oh well that explains it lol
@@noblesavage8964 it made his character more human
i don't have kids of my own but Joel pretty much adopting Ellie as his lost daughter makes me tear up
the world took everything from him so i don't think he was selfish by saving Ellie.
@@noblesavage8964It was in the remastered, I played it
This is one area that I think the game triumphs over the series, is when Joel is running to the hospital with Ellie and his arms, much like he did with Sarah at the beginning of the game. It's the dialogue that he speaks to Ellie as he's running through the hospital with her in his arms, it gives the impression that in this moment he's not just trying to save Ellie, but that he is actually reliving that time same scenario with Sarah over 20 years ago.
I spotted it the first time I played it, and as a human being, its where I truly understood Joel's sincerity behind his actions, even if morally they might have been considered questionable.
It was here what Joel did made the most sense out of Ellie's perspective in the 2nd game, where she accuses Joel of robbing her life of meaning by saving her, but here Joel showed through his actions her life DID mean something - it meant something to him, Tommy, Maria, Jesse, and Dina - and that she didn't have to die a martyr for that to happen..
Beautifully said
Underrated comment
Finally someone with brains
True
I’m dead 😂 “we’re okay!” (Bashes Ellie’s head into a wall) 1:45
I guess you could argue based on that that Ellie was safer on that operating table.
Le ko de lev sur le garage 😂😂 à cause des crotales
@@best_of_tm4111même en parlant français j’ai pas compris ce que t’as dis mdr
Damn
That's something RackaRacka made their Joel do. 😂
The first time I played this sequence I failed and they yanked Ellie out of Joel's hands and then shot him in the head. I thought that was supposed to happen and felt like shit but then it restarted and I was happy.
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That fail is genuinely so sad
Lmao, failing without realizing it makes it feel so legit, that's the scary part of games like this. I feel they should make a penalty screen for deaths in moments like this. So that it genuinely feels like the end unless you go back to the save and hit "continue"
A developer in their most sadistic form yet
Lol me too
Joel kills her like twice here. You see how her neck hit the door frame?
😅💀
Well, guess she’s immune to furniture too. 😂
If you look close enough you can see that Joel pivots so that her head doesn't hit the door frames when he's passing through
He thinks two seconds when Marlene asks her to stop and then not one second of hesitation for what he does next. "You would just come after her." and shoots dead. Lies easily about other people being immune both at the return and just outside Jackson. Not one second of hesitation. Masterpiece!
Yeah, that slight flick of the wrist where he shoots her in an instant is sort of funny. No way someone would handle a firearm like that. However, it DEFINITELY make for better storytelling. I wouldn't change it at all.
You might want to replay this part of the game, and take the time to find all the voice recorders. You might discover Joel didn't lie about as much as you think he did.
Joel just couldn't lose someone again
Yes, he already lost a loved one. Ellie is basically the thing that helped bring him hope and losing her would cause him to lose his hope
This is the greatest ending a video game ever had
Guess you’ve never played metal gear
Which is then followed up by the worst ending a video game ever had in the sequel
Yes! And the music always gives me goosebumps!
@@retroelite1019your just an ignorant slob that doesn’t think at all
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Let's not kid ourselves. Joel is making a choice for Ellie, but how much of a choice is it to tell a 14 year old that she must die so that everyone else can live? Who was her advocate when the "no other option" discussion was held?
Umm, no? Joel stopped the Fireflies from making a decision for Ellie by ending her life against her consent. So screw those terrorists.
@@alexdeghost2729 ellie was probably fine with dying seeing how in part two she said "I was supposed to die in that hospital. My life would've mattered. But you took that" if that isnt proof I don't know what is
@@GrapeFruitWIS That doesn’t justify killing her for an operation without her consent. Joel says it best. “It ain’t for YOU to decide.”
Also that scene is contrived because the ending of Part I implies that Ellie knows she’s being lied to but spares Joel the burden of any further hardship just as Joel did to her when she woke up. It was an ambiguous ending that neither condoned or condemned him because they know they didn’t need to. Part II in general is contrived so it’s not surprising.
No guarantee that they would have found a cure. Replay this part of the game and take the time to find all the voice recorders. Joel was justified, and didn't lie as much as you think.
@@GrapeFruitWISEllie is saying that while she’s alive and not in the position to decide anymore. It’s easy to say what you would have done when the opportunity has passed. Just like how Abby said she’d let them kill her if she were immune. It’s easy for her to say that because she isn’t in the situation at all and has no effect on her.
He sacrificed the world for her.
Ellie was Joel's world. There was also little guarantee of a cure.
There was no world left to save though
Nope there was no guarantee that a cure would've been made
Damn it sucks that Ellie doesn’t fully understand this in the second game because he really did sacrifice the world for her sake
@@daniellaradiaz5476 She understood she just would've preferred to die because it was her call to make, not Joel's, he also lied to her for years, he promised he was telling the truth that's why the last time they talk she says she doesn't know if she can forgive him but she'd try. Except Joel run into Abby and she killed him. I'm sure Ellie regrets being so harsh on Joel plus she could've died for nothing, the fireflies got so many people killed in search of a cure, i wish Joel had explained that to her that the odds of a cure working were slim, let alone restore civilization with so many infected but I guess he was willing to accept her resentment even if it hurt him because like he says if he could go back he'd do the same thing because he loves her and he didn't want to lose her, he doesn't want to excuse himself just letting her know that he doesn't regret saving her.
01:24 He bangged her head already.
This is a tough situation both ways. On one side, there are so many things they could have done before killing Ellie. Blood tests, lumbar puncture, biopsies, etc. Not to mention they never even gave Ellie the chance to consent to this operation. On the other side though, I can’t imagine Ellie going through the rest of her life knowing everyone she loves getting infected after this event could have been prevented.
Eh i just played the game, and while going through the last bits, the recordings did have a bit of uncertainty about finding a cure/vaccine.
Obviously it would have been not a good chance developing a vaccine for a fungal infection.
Regardless, let's say that it was a perfect chance.
Considering the doctors said that her fungal infection had "mutated". This means that her immunity comes from the fungus mutating(and not destroying her brain) and not from some antibodies she'd randomly have in her body(since neither of her parents were known to be immune either).
They did not need to remove the fungus from her brain to possibly find a solution to this problem. Perhaps getting a small amount from her to infect someone else would have been a first good basis for tests.
Let's be honest the doctors were incompetent (because they rushed things due to excitement). And it's better this way.
@@sereniiitiethe doctors weren’t just incompetent, they also had no clue what they were doing. The average age of a surgeon in the U.S after all their training is 37. The events of the first game was explicitly said to be 20 years after the outbreak. Abby’s dad would have had to been over 50 years old but he doesn’t look like it, none of the doctors did. They were at best med school students.
@@kanyegrande4312 Not that I'm defensive of the story, but I always assumed Abby's dad was more likely a surgeon in training before the world changed and had been feverishly searching for a cure for those 20 years, likely with a trail of ethically questionable choices. Perhaps dissecting infected and such. I would think this might still be possible. However, that 20 year gap makes it really hard to micromanage his whole backstory to get him to where he was.
@@sereniiitie true
@@jackderridaAbby’s dad looks to be early 40’s. He was definitely an adult during the outbreak BUT he is definitely too young to have been a surgeon especially one that specializes in such a delicate procedure. At best he was in his residency but even that isn’t enough to qualify him for such a role unless he was working with military surgeons the past 20 years. I’d also like to say that they were definitely going to just straight up kill Ellie. They didn’t even prep her for brain surgery she still has a head full of hair. These are the type of dr that made malpractice insurance rates sky rocket.
Seriously I don’t think you could end a game better, build up to this is unreal, killing fire fires feels wrong, but I was Joel when I played this, just wanted Ellie saved no matter what
Feels wrong? I did it like they was just another clicker.
@@Basspro69 fair enough, felt good to me
I mean in the tapes if you fully listen to them…there were immune people like Ellie and they died from similar procedures. Joel was NOT going to take a chance with his baby girl.
3:02 "she wont feel anything" ... Thats not what Joel wants to hear. He WANTS her to feel and to choose and to live.
I dare say Joel did the right thing. The world is already half dead as it is. And how would they sell the cure anyway? The city was dead. I have an idea but still. And it’s more often people get torn to shreds then just bitten. She deserves to live too. But I don’t think killing Marlene was necessary.
Of course he did the right thing, they went straight to the most extreme option when attempting to develop a cure which wasn't a guaranteed, like they could've killed her for nothing. Even if it worked a cure wouldn't have saved the world or undone the damage at best it would've just stop zombies from being created not the ones that already exist. They aren't even a major threat anymore someone experienced can easily avoid them. The bigger thing plaging the world being the faction wars. Plus they were going to send joel out into the world without any of his gear which is pretty much a death sentence.
@@retroelite1019 glad we’re on the same page. And yes there’s the fact that it wasn’t guaranteed and sure you can survive a bite without amputated but still it’s not even similar to twd. Surely you know what I mean. Also it took joel a lot of guts to lie to her like that. I could never lie like that honestly🙁
Lmao no
@@mario167100 you can’t be serious😄
It's a moral dilemma, there isn't really a right or wrong thing. Only Joel's actions and their consequences. That's the whole point of the story.
In Joel’s defence, a cure wouldn’t do much for humanity. It’s already been too long for things to truly get better.
Imagine the therapy the world would need to truly recover lol
Marlene was going in a very tyrannical and radical path from the beginning, they was committing the same mistakes of the past; Marlene was so eager to find the cure that she didn’t care about the promise she made to Ellie’s mother… so with that we can see that Marlene only wanted to be a “hero” for her own pride and her own cause… for me, The Fireflies aren’t saviors, they are just a desperate attempt of revolution, that only cares about an Idea… not people
So because Marlene had to break a promise to Ellie Mom, that makes the Fireflies the bad guys for trying to develop and cure for the virus and overthrow the tyrannical FEDRA? lol what mental gymnastics
@@noblesavage8964 yep they are the bad guys not just because they broke a promise and kill an innocent girl but also Marlene was a coward who was prepared to run away and leave everyone to die just so she can vaccinate herself she was a selfish terrorist that is why she got killed.
Fireflies are just a wrong failed way to try to make things "better"
Wolves are just poor hateable imitations of a sort of army/police force
Seraphites/Scars are just an insane cult that is strong but still a punching bag for Ellie and Abby
Rattlers are just the biggest a-holes in the world and enjoyable to blow them to pieces.
The games are amazing and i love everything about it but thats how i would see these groups of people if i was in ellies place😂
While they are clearly villains, your dismissing a whole lot to say she just wanted to be a hero. There's a strong case for what she did. Much stronger one against it, sure. But they weren't as morally impotent as you're imagining.
I am completely on Joel's side on this one the world was never going to be fixed what got me angry was Marlene and that stupid doctor that did not even research they just jumped to conclusions and almost killed a little girl to test those conclusions without proof!
Joel may or may not have done the right thing, but he did the thing most of us would have done. Besides, if you read the notes it says there's no guarantee they could have made a vax with her blood. She could have very easily died for nothing.
Why in the world would they need to kill her to get blood to make vaccine? I know nothing about this series, but that makes zero sense. Assume they had some magic explanation to this?
@@beyerch cordyceps grows in the brain
There are so many things in this world that can kill you. Killing one human being to possibly find a cure is morally wrong. That’s like saying we should kill someone to find the cure for aids or cancer it’ll never stop. And a vaccine would technically not cure the virus. No Joel did the right thing because when will the killing stop when?
Also, that whole "others that are immune" thing is probably right too, maybe they all just hid so they wouldn't die.
Or maybe they assumed all doctors who could make a cure were dead.
So they never bothered to come forward.
Or they killed themselves before they could figure out if they were or not🤷
@@Miphathesiamese yeah, or they figured if people saw their bites they'd get shot.
1:48 dang joel just give Ellie brain damage!
😂😂😂
4:47 possibly the hardest one liner in video game history.
👌🏼 love it.
I like how this series kept majority of the storyline from the game. The Last of Us was one of the best game I have ever played not only gameplay but the story was amazing.
the world takes everything from Joel,
now Joel takes everything from the world
credit to the one who said this
Fair enough
That quote makes NO sense.
@@alexdeghost2729 Yeah it does. The world took his daughter so he took what the world needed. A dark twisted sense of spite all to justify for himself to have what it's like to have a daughter again
@@alexdeghost2729 Ratio then
they don't even know if killing ellie to extarct whatever makes her immune would work
In the elevator, the same theme is played when Sarah dies. That’s beautiful
joel was right. the doctor wasnt even really a doctor, the chances for the cure was so damn low even more given that person preforming the surgery was just a bio major.
1:49 "Where ok" Bang's Ellie's head right into the wall! 😂
I thought I was the only one 😂
I cannot wait for this scene 😊
Probably gonna be years. My guess is end of season 3
@@ell3655 i heard that they were gonna cover part 1 in season 1 so it should end with this scene
@@ell3655 episode 9 this season
I am very curious to see how they do it.
@AshTheFlash100 there’s a part 2
Another thing I love is how he looks in the elevator. His face goes from one of “Holy crap… we made it… no cure anymore…” to that of “It was for her, it was worth it.”
any father can sympathize with this..
Wonder what would've happened if Ellie woke up during all this madness either in Joel's arms as he's running away with her or in the back of the car seeing him shoot Marlene
bro, voice actors are so great. im love those voices.
I think Joel made the right choice. There was no gauruntee that the cure would work
Watching this scene in the show and watching it in the game I can tell you he did the right thing
Considering he's trying to save her, he should stop smacking her head against the wall.
I mean I understand the trolley problem but tbf both Fireflies and Joel could just wait till she's conscious and ask her if she wants to sacrifice herself. It's called consent damn it 🙄
i think so to joel never had a chance to talk with her
he couldnt knew if she wants or not
But the fireflys made that decision that she dont need 2 talk to him
They instantly tried the experiment.
So in a split joel decided to safe her from his perspective.
He should've waited for to be conscious it would've been different
@@ridhishsindhol8432if he did waited then ellie would've been dead already.
@@genyatusamaki1219 fair point and lmfao..... but it's better to find a cure even if there's 1% chance
@@ridhishsindhol8432 I doubt you'd say the same from Joel's perspective
This scene is gonna be crazy when it comes out
Came back to this after seeing the tv series last episode just for it to prove that the game will always be better.
Nobody will care about or remember these games once the show is done with it
@pranav5788 tf? Dude when basing a show off source material, the source material will always matter. The shows awesome but man what wild outlandish take
Both are good, you are hating for no reason, probably you're just a miserable person. It's probably the best tv adaptation of any game
both are good, plus their nearly identical?? your nostalgia blinds you
@@pranav5788I think you underestimate the reach of the last of us it’s on like every Sony console since ps3
And was that big a series was made off it like you know
i finished this game yesterday and this scene fucking made me cry my eyes out and i don’t even know why
The show did a damn good adaptation of this scene.
1:25 Ouch to the head!
1:47 he just bangs her head on the door there 😅
the fact that you dont play as a hero or villian you just play as a person trying to survive
What’s the soundtrack in the hospital scene where joel carries ellie out? Please I need to know this soundtrack
1:48 That head bonk though. Lol.
Can't wait to see this on the show!
Fucking masterpiece, ain't it?
It's highly unlikely that any kid, including Ellie, would willingly choose death over living.
In Part 2, she said she would willingly do it, hence why she hated Joel for so long cuz he took away her one purpose; to cure the world at all cost. Child Abby says the same thing. "If it was me... I'd want you to do the surgery."
She would have her guilt over Rileys death would have compelled her too
@@_Warlo it's easy to say that when it's just an hypothetical. There's no real risk in saying you would sacrifice yourself
@@mattmalco10Riley aurait été du côté de Joël
Tess en revanche voyais Élie comme une marchandise 👍
1:47 Ellie's head hits the door.
One thing that seemed funny to me , is when he saved ellie , he didn't shot any of the doctors , but if you play the second game (TLoU2) you will see that one of the doctors is Abby's father (abby is one of the "villain" characters in the second game and that her dad was actually killed , but Joel didn't shot any of those doctors , just seemed funny to me
Tbh the cure probably wouldn't have helped, with people already being torn Apart more than they get infected.
It’s not really about that, it’s a story of opening up after trauma, and of finding love in a seemingly loveless world. I think Tommy also shows this with his new life rather than pursuing the fireflies cause
@@goych yeah I guess, but still. The cure would've come too late.
@@lisaharrison8970 probably, but it makes you think about the power of love, survival, purpose, a great game!
joel was so lucky that the fireflies were falling apart by the time he went up against them to save ellie
Joel could have told her that they drew her blood, instead of lying about there being more immune people.
I feel like the show really dropped the ball on showing the sheer panic in which Joel rushes to save Ellie
Naah they made it much better
@@pranav5788 difference of opinion i guess, i just really didnt think it fit for joe to be casually strolling and taking unnecessarily long to kill people when he knew ellie was about to die but didn't know how much time he had to save her
I agree, it's really a different vibe, from pure terror and panic to angry vengeance and bloodlust. I didn't play the game, but this scene feels better than the series for me.
@@chexmax2848 I mean if we go down that road you can find faults with the game too. Why would Marlene send just one dude to escort Joel out and also she could have just straight up lied and stalled Joel for a few hours and in the end could have just shot him instead of trying to convince him. I do feel that they rushed this episode though.
@@pranav5788 Because Marlene actually knew Joel as a person. In the second game she even says the Joel deserves to know about Ellie's 'fate' since he travelled with her across the country
Why’d u cut the music at the end? that ties the whole scene together
If you're talking about the credits, it will get copyright claimed.
copyright
@@HDPLAYGROUND1911 People have uploaded the music from the games straight on to yt tho, they’ve been up for years. I can understand if showing the credits isn’t allowed but the music should be isn’t it?
Because of copyright bozo
@@J-Rush then u do it then, geez
Someone told me that really Joel is the villain but not in the traditional villain way (kills people b/c he wants to) but more of the “sacrifice the world to save you” kind of villain & that fits so perfectly. He’d rather sacrifice mankind for eliie than sacrifice ellie for mankind & that is beautiful
1:25 1:48 Dammit Joel watch her head
This ending was amazing. I felt like I was playing the villain, but at the same time, I completely understood why Joel did what he did. The final fight, killing the fireflies, had my stomach in a knot, but im pretty sure I would commit acts of evil to protect the ones I love if that was my only option. I hated killing those guards, really hated killling the doctor, but it had to be done. Did Joel do the right thing? Honestly, I don't think so, but what he did was understandable. Someone told me that there is a note or recording that says the surgery would most likey fail and not create a cure, not sure if thats true, but that makes Joels actions even more understandable if true.
Jerry to Joel:I won't let you take her
Joel to Jerry:No Woman No Kids ☠
For me is this sad ending i cryed
It's an even sadder beginning in the sequel
I will always deffend Joel's decision even if he left Ellie in there they could not find a way to make a cure
I love the music
When i played this for the first time, i felt Joel's desperation as i had no idea where tf i was supposed to go and even in my head i was like "shit where's the exit" just for joel to immediately say after "godamn it which way?" There's no clear way or indicator of where to go at least for me during my first playthrough and i think this was done deliberately. All you could do is run to where it seems clear and get ellie to safety. I was not going to allow joel to lose his baby girl again
"What is the life of one bastard boy against a kingdom?"
"Everything"
Davos Seaworth in ASOIAF 😭
"We're okay...we're okay...we're okay..."
Hits Ellie's head on the doorframe
great story, thanks for the story writers.
When I first saw this and Joel said “I’m taking us home” I thought they were gonna drive back all the way to Boston lol
I don't know if I get mad because of his selfishness or amazed for how much he loves her.
This game ended as it began: With Joel's daughter on his arms. 😭😭😭😭
i wish it had just ended there
I think that joel did the right thing to be honest, I mean who knows maybe if the cure did end being made and Ellie died because of it the firefly’s couldn’t distribute it around because the whole city and everyone is basically dead, I think they would just use it for their gain
1:48 🤣
they changed the doctor's race to fit tlou2 wow
No it's not wow dickhead. It's just a simple attention to detail.
It's almost like they pulled the story of the sequel out of their ass
what was the doctor originally?
@@Quball87 The same as this one. A white guy.
@@Judgementxxx so how was he "changed"?
"You'd just come after her"
The final gunshot most epic ending in a hospital massacre
Song name pls 3:53 by starts 😢😢
i hardly use my tripod, i use it all the time.
1:47 Joel telling her she's ok but the player is bumping her head against the door. Mmmmm stil OK but that's gonna hurt in the morning. hahaha😂
What you have here is Utilitarianism vs Deontology.
Ellie is either a means to a potential greater end or the greater end within itself.
One thing no player knows for sure is IF the procedure would have worked at all. It was a gamble … a gamble Joel chose not to make in the end.
He chose Deontology… but more importantly, he chose Ellie.
I get the point but I don't think deontology ethics would say it's ok to shoot up a hospital, kill a doctor and blast Marlene's brains out when she's no longer a threat
1:23 "I'm getting you out of here, girl,"
Immediately smashes her head into a door frame lmao
Those fireflies have stormtrooper aim 😂
I think they didn't want to risk hitting Ellie 😅
The beauty of this ending is that the game neither condones or condemns him for his choice. Then Part II came and took a dump of all of that…
"We're okay...We're okay..."
*Runs Ellies head into the wall
Tbh, even if joel did decide to listen and do what marlene told him to do, joel already killed the only surgeon that could perform the surgery soooo…
Both Marlene and Joel didn't know that at that time.
They deserved it. He’s not gonna let her die for these low lives
"Swear to me. Swear to me that everything you said about the fireflies is true".
"I swear"....
That beautiful little lie. I lost it 🤯🥺.... heartbreaking and wrong. And for me the most satisfying end to a video game, movie, or book ever. I wouldn't have written it any other way 💔
In my eyes, Joel did the right thing. Even if Ellie's death would have 100 percent created a cure, I don't think it would be worth it. Humanity as whole, as it's depicted in this series, doesn't deserve to be saved. There are individual people that are good and worth protecting, people like Ellie, but in general humanity has become savage and despicable and is undeserving of rescue at the cost of an innocent child
Also, most infected are beyond being cured. I mean, clickers literally have a broke open skull, there’s no curing that
would you guys believe i got an ad 1:25 minutes into the video
Classic
I compare this game to Witcher 3, it is a same struggle with completely different ending. Ciri selflessly makes a heartbreaking sacrifice and a player (Geralt) is faced with the profound choice of accepting Ciri's decision. Geralt's acceptance, tinged with both sorrow and understanding adds a different layer of emotions. Both games are outstanding.
Im So Glad Joel Saved Ellie Because Either Way There Was No Cure If Ellie Was Alive Or Dead To Make The Vaccine Much Love For Joel And Ellie
Even if that's true, he also killed one of the most useful people in the world which is the doctor.
"Hum akthually you just destroyed world for a girl"
"Dude I just came from Prince of Persia 2008 where I unleashed dark god for girl´s life"
When this game first came out I remember picking the hardest difficulty available at the beginning and in this scene just went off. I could feel the emotion running through me. No game ever did that for me like this one in this scene. Fuck tlou2
Cry
Tlou2 it's a great game
Give TLOU 2 another shot after the TV series finishes
Tlou 2? There isn’t a second game, I don’t know what you mean.
@@amalgamation3679 I dare you to play it
“It’s what she would have wanted” How do you know that 😭
He's definitely not right for killing innocent people who had nothing to do with this but like from an objective point, he had his reasons. He's definitely not a good man but he's not the worst either
E foi daí que tudo começou 😮
Marlene didn’t even have the common decency to give her friend’s daughter a full choice. She withheld the full truth due to her own selfishness. If Ellie knew everything and had still gone through with it with her own autonomy and Joel still interfered, then maybe I would see why people would say Joel is in the wrong here. But because Marlene took that away from her, all I can see is Joel did nothing wrong in regard to rescuing an innocent child being murdered. Yes Joel is wrong for lying to Ellie but Marlene ultimately made a decision due to her reckless selfishness and for that, is the one more in the wrong than Joel.
I can see both sides of the coin in this here and to me that’s what makes this ending so masterful, you can easily make an argument either way as to weither or not he did the right thing.
On the one hand, Joel may have doomed humanity completely. He took its once chance for any return to normality and any fighting chance for the world to thrive once more. He did that so he could have his daughter at the expense of all the others
That said on the other hand the world was already gone long ago, the vaccine was a pipe dream at this point that wouldn’t have solved anything, not by now. Ellie was immune to the infection, not the infected, they could still kill her, tear her to shreds, maul her, devour her. So what if they were immune, the infected still have the advantage. Even if the vaccine worked the fireflies are terrorists in the eyes of fedra and they were hard pressed to just transport Ellie, nevermind the vaccine towards the dozens of armed groups, raiders, isolationists, quarantine zones etc. all of which would easily be skeptical and even turn away vaccines.
Look at how badly people wanted a Covid vaccine and how fast it was rejected, Joel’s actions made not one bit of difference in my mind.
The world took more from each other than the virus and took everything from Joel, Jim taking everything away from the world to get a daughter back is just satisfying