WAR WAGON META - Stone Trolling with Azhag - Empire vs. Greenskins - The Warden and the Paunch DLC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2020
- Markus Wulfhart begins his slow kite and unleashes the WAR WAGON META with new War Wagon buffs against Azhag the Slaughterer and the Greenskins. Stone Trolls are coming out to play in this The Warden and the Paunch DLC multiplayer battle between the Greenskins and the Empire on Total War Warhammer 2.
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Empire Soldier: Markus? Never heard of him.
His buddy: His nickname is the "Milf Hunter" of Lustria.
Empire Soldier: OH, that guy? Praise Sigmar...
“Did he find any Milfs?”
“Mothers I’d like to Fuck? No. Massive Intelligent Lizard Freaks? Yes.”
Everybody gangster until Markus pulls out 360 no scopes across the map.
Empire Knights: we'll never win while their leader is alive
Markus Wulfhart: Have a little patience
wagons should have more ammo, being on a cart instead of horse. And better reloading, given their low model count, to deal enuf dmg before they got squished, which they often do
or give ammo to units around them
They carry repeater rifles, they should use them XD
Best way to buff War Wagons is to have them be crewed by Snotlings.
Snotling masterrace
HERESY.
Imagine cannon War Wagons instead of Mortars.
@@pjadtron9415 Give it time and maybe there will be a mod for that.
@@pjadtron9415 Steam tank has left the chat
Give war wagons the shielded trait. What's the point of the walls on the wagon if not to protect the gunners from incoming fire?
At least 50 percent missile block maybe as high as 70 with more ammo on account of it being a wagon and faster reload. It shouldn't be so easy to tear up with cheap archers
@@seanchannie5822 They would need sides to the wagon to extend around the horses.
@@FrederikVV Fair. I would like to see protection for them on the model, but you have a point.
Isnt that what the armor basically is? Shields interpose themselves between the target and the arrow/bullet etc. The war wagon's armor IS part of the war wagon.
And give him some charge bonus. It's a chariot after all, if 2 armored horses run over me and then a big ass wagon crushes me it should have more charge bonus
Dude that shot at the end must have been so satisfying.
Indy was definitely fully erect when Markus fired the arrow of the gods against the cheesy Spirit Leech spammer.
Da War Wagon Mortar range buff tho...
Once again, Erwin von Nuln will show the world that a negative Imperial Authority bar means little to a Renaissance-themed armour division!
13:00 Heck, only now I notice he is crouching when taking that special shot.
+10 points for stylish takedown
The discount Steam Tanks got some love I see.
Never close to the real thing,but a welcome change.
:0 the mighty boi has returned
We need both at the same time, WAGONS FILLED WITH TANKS
@@absolutelyyousless7605 and TANKS FILLED WITH WAGONS FILLED WITH TANKS!!
And gunpowder. Tanks filled with wagons filled with tanks filled to the brim with gunpowder. Then we add some faith on top and we basically have the age of Magnus the Pious brought back
On a serious note, there should be another Steam-Tank variant, with either rifles or some sort of better melee capability
War wagon should have something like missile resist since they are design to be a mobile fortress that protect gunners from range fire.
Well, they are driven by live animals and not magic.
Roger Pettersson and？the horse that’s moving the chaos chariot aren’t that well protected from fire arms either, yet in the game they still have their armor value and they run despite getting shot, until their hp depleted that is. So it seems to be that war wagon is fine having missile resistance.
@@RogerCillion if your argument against good gameplay changes is realism then you're playing the wrong fucking game.
@@Mark-nh7zg Then mod the fucking damn fucking thing into whatever you fucking want.
CA loves to change melee attack/defence by one. I really want to know who's going, "Plague Monks are too weak! *Increases MD by 1* Perfect."
CA fucking sucks when it comes to game balance. It's kind of mind-boggling, really. They STILL haven't figured out that heavy cavalry (outside of Bretonnian ones) generally suck, or that War Wagons need a hell of a lot more than boosting the damage per shot to make them viable, or that Giants are fucking awful because they get shredded by cheap missile units while not putting out nearly enough damage to anything that isn't a single-entity unit, or that The Menace Below is stupidly overpowered, or that Dragons just aren't nearly as cost-efficient/good as Sisters of Avelorn, or that the Lore of Beasts is hilariously bad, etc.
@@Raptor747
CA : "High elves are best at magic eva !"
Lizardmen : "seriously ?"
That's what I thought, plague units need some changes. There's literally no reason to get them outside of needing armor piercing, but you can simply get death runners which are faster, can stalk, they eat armor, more physical resistance, more armor. Perhaps they could give them the same treatment as poison wind temporal damage but weaker
@@t.f.9 Manticores are generally really shit, they break super fast and dont have enough damage to make up for it. Usually you want spells either for dealing damage or controlling the battlefield, a manticore does none of that.
Transformation of Kadon (manticore summons) are one of the most commonly used spells in competitive multiplayer. Its a free way to hunt down mages or tie up ranged units in your opponents backfield while causing Terror. its a good spell
Glad greenskins are finally a top choice with the upcoming updates. I rarely ever saw anyone using them either in my own MP games or on these channels. I bet that's about to change, and it should....Empire, greenskins, Skaven, and Chaos were the most popular in my own TT days back in the 90s. Back then (around 92-93) their were massive tourney halls all over the place. But then the models didn't ask you to sell a kidney for a plastic regiment either. Not only cheaper, but pewter. I looked up some recent models and whoo-boy....Thankfully we have TW Warhammer, because what they charge now for the models is insane!
That trolls: The white line calls, we answer!
ai Tis the meta of skirmishers..... The dark lord felkon will be pleased.
I dunno, I've always thought of Felkon as more of a rusher/aggressive player. Lotus Moon is the skirmish lord ;)
@@milkandcookiesTW He does play like that at times... Regardless, His wood elves play is phenomenal.
Make sure you have The Nation registered in your phone's contacts if it calls someday
13:19 Goblins are rallied from witnessing Azhag plummeted to the ground.
Poor Azhag needs a buff. 10k hp on skullmuncha when?
Jj, well played! I shoulda brought a different lord haha!
Wish War Wagons had missle resistance since you know, arrows get stopped by wood or have missle block chance since there a good chance you will just hit wood and not hurt anyone
Still waiting for the day when they give Markus Wulfhart a war wagon mount
That would be interesting
At the state they are now, that would make him such an easy target
markus wulfwagon
Very awesome battle!
This is my favorite channel and watching your videos makes recovering from surgery a lot easier
thanks aleksander, really glad to hear you enjoy them :D get better soon
Curious about the missile buff for the standard war wagons, i would have thought a slight buff to their speed and a big buff to their ammunition count would fix them without needing to make their missiles stronger
It would have helped a lot, but ultimately War Wagons are crippled by their low damage output (and even this recent buff is nowhere near enough). A unit of crossbowmen will deal a lot more damage a lot more quickly. They're basically the equivalent of four models of Handgunners that can shoot while moving at a slow-cavalry speed, with a good amount of armor but a bit target to hit. Obviously, four models of Handgunners is a pitiful damage output. The mobility and survivability does not AT ALL make up for that fact, and once you consider how much War Wagons cost, it becomes an even bigger gap.
Pistoliers just do better than War Wagons in almost every way. They're much cheaper, way faster, and do more damage more quickly. The only thing that War Wagons have over them is armor, but that's not nearly enough to make up for the difference.
@@Raptor747 Shouldn't they have a higher ROF since they have repeaters?
@@Raptor747 The difference between War Wagons and Pistoliers(aside from all the advantages of Pistoliers) is that War Wagons dont lose models(and thus firepower) unless they take considerable damage. In terms of skirmishing with enemy skirmishers, the War Wagon will perform better.
Still does not change that they are not very impressive at anything else. If I want a mobile AP unit, I would bring outriders.
A way to improve War Wagons would be with special skills. Give them an active ability that doubles firerate for 15 seconds or so. Or a bunch of grenades(similar to grenade outrider) for a limited time and with limit uses. Make it more flexible and able to deal with more situations, and it will be used more.
Everyone gangster with their wagon until a big ass spider chase their ass off
I LOVE your videos. It just like epic movie battle..
Azhag still facing the same old problem of being super squishy.
Gotta love close fights.
damn, imagine being empire soldier seeing markus snipe war boss from half kilo meter away with a bow.
Amusing to see that placebo effect from the "buffs" to War Wagons. Who knew they were just bugged for their entire warhammer 2 life.
Can we see Helman Ghorst and Volkmar the Grim leads a separate faction? In the future
Agreed volkmar needs to be moved to wurtbad not as its elector but a crusader(not horde) faction into Sylvania
I think Sudenburg would be a great location for an Empire lord, but I don't think it makes much sense for the Grand Theoginist to leave the Empire and travel all the way to the Southlands.
@@funnyfish1453 Why not undead threat in the south, the carsteins seeks to ressurect nagash kinda scenario
Ghorst shouldn't even be a LL him and Isabella should get downgraded to Legendary Hero status for their respective factions. Then make Konrad Von Carstein as an LL who can be recruited by both Vlad and Mannfred if they control all of Sylvania. Move Volkmar to Bechafen that way he has a fun dynamic campaign with Azhag to his east and Vamps to the the South. He can also quickly gain military access with Kislev (or go to War with them) and crusade against Hell Pit/Norsca.
@@lastdefenderofxhotl If Isabella is only a Hero how would I farm her for regeneration?
Liked for the dodgeball reference
OH! a buff 2 the wagons? you got my attention
What a wonderful game!
epic 360 double tap triangle fade 1080 skillz max quickscope by Wulfhart
Greenskins are really being shown in a positive light these last few battles... lol
His wrist at 0:05 tho haha
Would mixing in some nade launcher outriders turn out better? Perhaps trade a war wagon for one? I'm completely lost on cost.
How are you recovering from the loss of your waifu indy? Last I heard you found a nice river troll hag to help you recover, but that might be rumours
River Troll Hag is my rebound chick, we'll be back soon!
@@milkandcookiesTW oh, good to hear you're recovering well then!
@Dalton K yes, truly this is a man of culture before us
Equalibrium pistoleers gotz to be new regiment of renown:)
Yeaaaaaaaah! Booooooooiiiiiiiiiiiii
We need a landing and a dismounting option, both for lords and regular troops...
Yeah weird how the older historical games like Rome II have this and yet warhammer doesn't. I think there is a mod for dismounting though.
Agreed. That game might have been salvageable for the Greenskins if Azhag could have dismounted or landed so he wouldn't be a big old flying target practice.
@@darthplagueis13 dismounting is a pathway to abilities some consider to be.....unnatural
*YES!!!*
I'm curious if there's a reason for regular Trolls now that Stone Trolls are here. Unless these are meant as a straight upgrade.
They are meant as an upgrade. Stone trolls are a lot more expensive than regular trolls. The question would be if you want regular trolls or river trolls. Regular trolls have considerably better combat stats, especially weapon strength, whereas River Trolls have their stench effect.
This makes me think that stone trolls are going to be very situational, entirely due to their leadership. However, I do foresee trolls being much more useful campaign wise. On the other hand, the river trolls are likely to get used more than the other trolls due to their aura debuff to the enemy.
Maybe more models will make War Wagons viable?
I thought today was Wednesday and the DLC comes out tomorrow. Nope it's Tuesday, :(
Today is wednesday !
@@RustlessPotato check when the video was posted and when the comment was posted mate.
@Dalton K stay cheeky breeky
I honestly don't know what Duck is thinking sometimes. I had been saying from day 1 that war wagons needed serious buffing to their damage. Deck droppers with bombs also.... He seems hesitant to buff their dmg even though they're trash.
14:52 oh yeah :)
why no new stone trolls models though ?.
Still waiting for abuff for the steam tanks. And I wish they changed the model of the stone trolls.
The main problem with Steam Tanks is that they're just way too expensive for what you get for them. They're worthwhile to have in an army, but they're usually too expensive to be worth getting over more cost-efficient units.
I use steam tanks as dmg and mob-soaking buffers between my gun line and the enemy. Don’t play MP, so probably won’t work as good there.
@@Szminsky yeah, usually humans have brain centers used for decision, which allow them to use the subtle art of "actually not being a mouth-frothing barbarian, understanding the concept of target prioritisation and not just blindly shooting at the closest shit while uttering 'dakkadakkadakkadakka'". And before you ask, yes the AI does shout that, just you don't hear it cause it's locked up in your processor, believe me, I'm a CS major.
Question: in warhammer, shouldn’t anything and everything be considered large for dwarves?
One word: goblins.
Pickle theSaurus True, but what about everything else? Orcs, humans, pointy ears, skavens....
@@alanshu4255 skaven are also pretty short, and also CA probably wouldn't put the effort in to it to do that
@@alanshu4255
1) WH dwarfes are very beefy and wide
2) If you make the distinction relative to the swinger, then cav and monsters should be small for all single entity monsters.
You only end up with a system so stupid that it breaks the game, as distinctions exist to make it interesting.
Pickle theSaurus ok thanks for clearing up. In the game skavens always have their backs haunches so they seemed pretty small, I think. I am fairly sure the storm vermins are about as tall as grave guards. Not sure, though, so don’t yell at me for that, pls.
Yes ! Praise Sigmar !!!
Let me just say SKULLMUNSHA is the perfect Greenskin mount name
My problem with war wagons is that one will always get stuck in a crowd while the others escape. It’s annoying to have to babysit that wagon while my knights are about to run straight into spears.
13:16
Imagine being a gobbo at this moment when your boss falls right on top of you.
Take his hat, now you are the new waagh leader =/
@@BStenlund I mean hats are a viable means to secure promotion in Orc society. Sure that promotion may only last a few moments until someone else crumps you for the hat but while you have that hat you are the bestest git.
Wouldn't boar boy big uns counter reiksguard though? They're anti large and now have decent armor.
they trade upwards decently, but pretty sure they lose to Zintlers Reiksguard in a straight up fight. stat differential between them just too big to make up
@@milkandcookiesTW Probably depends on who gets their charge off.
Sigmaar is with us
War Wagons are still pretty bad. Their fundamental problems have not been addressed: their damage output is quite low, their ammo count is too low, their speed is low so enemy cavalry can catch up to them, they suck in melee so their ranged damage is all they're good for and being caught by enemy cavalry is bad, they're big targets and thus vulnerable to missile units (which have much higher damage outputs) and they're expensive. That they increased their damage per shot is nice, but nowhere near enough to make them viable. I'm very disappointed in CA. They've had so long to figure out how to fix these units that everyone finds useless, and this is the best they could come up with?
Faster, more ammo, and silver shields to represent the hull as cover?
Same for lizardmen. Like all winds of magic ffs.
More fire rate since aren't those repeaters?
Their overall damage now is a lot higher than outriders. Its not the fix i was hoping for but it does push wagons out of meme tier and into ok tier imo
Or slash their price so they're more cost effective like the pump wagons.
War wagons could still need more buffs to be more viable, like more ammo, faster reload, shield block chance, faster movement, and maybe a higher charge bonus to make useful when they don’t have any ammo. Still, the buffs they received is greatly welcome and will at least see them more in battle.
Maybe just more wagons per unit? On large unit scale there are 45 pistoliers+horses per unit, each wagon has 6 gunners and 2 horses, so there should be 8 wagons per war wagon unit (amounting to 48 gunners & 16 horses).
Eric Guier that’s a good idea
Btw, historically they're supposed to fight while static. They're just a portable makeshift fortification, that's all.
Yeah, but then again Historical War Wagons didn’t have to fight Dragons and Giant Spiders.
I never knew it was ever a thing
*historically hussite warwagons useually faught statically (which is also how kislev's war wagons fight in warmaster) and its not really makeshift, that would be the use of non-wargons as warwagons (such as at rocke's drift)
however it must be pointed out that our sources describe hussite and polish warwagons also being used as hardpoints in formations (moving forward with the infantry) and being used as part of pincer movements.
the Ottomans and Hussites also sometimes used warwagons offensively, slowly pushing the warwagons into enemy units (rather than as an anchor moving forward just behind the front). (there are many depictions of both European with the horses at the back, pushing)
additionally the Chinese used warwagons with multiple stories (which the empire has in the lore, but never got on the table top) and used them as mobile towers.
later hussite/bohemian armies also used a combination of warwagons and light cavalry to scout (according to some sources), which implies a level of mobility on the part of the wargons if they could keep up with light cavalry. this seems to be the inspiration of empire skirmish wagons.
all this said historians agree warwagons were used mostly defensively, and most of the time their offensive use was loosing and foreign over attacking infantry while providing a rally point and flank security which has a defensive sound to it. only rarely were they used for line breaking but some defiantly were.
It would be kind of cool if they had some kind of entrenchment ability.
Does the Missile Block of Stone Trolls also counter bullets? Or is it like shields, and it punches through? I use to think it was the latter, but in this video you made it seem like the former.
Missile resist doesnt give a damage block, it reduces incoming damage by that amount. Shields have a chance to outright block a projectile, missile resistance does not
I'm sure it's written in the rules somewhere that a player cannot use the lore in his/her name without abiding it. Wyvern must take Skullmuncher when playing greenskins!
War wagons are still slow as shit, skinks and asrai spears can nearly keep pace on foot and they're not tanky enough to make up for it imo. That would've been ok if they did a lot of damage but they're not that great there either
Wait... did he just say the "Holy Roman Empire"....
MLG 360 NOSCOPE
Is it me or have alot of the green skin fights been mostly losses?
Test the brand new Gyrobombers! :D
I didnt hear about that??
@@acmaiden5236 they now have increased explosion radius on their missile weapon and suppression contact effect to boot
@@MarcusModulus Oh right, you meant they got reworked. I thought about a completly new unit
@@acmaiden5236 oh yeah sry. no new unit
So its mean they have purpose now?
Mongol gameplay even before Kislev launches :D
Kislev are not the Mongols. They are russian/polish/hungarian. The Mongols would be the Hobgoblin Khans, but they haven't really been fleshed out as a faction.
Never never never want it anymore
Gotta get away from the stone troll law
Crazy
Stone troll crazy, let's go!
are you kidding they have always been good
Can someone plz explain why the wyverns have a spiky hole on their crotches?
Thanks, Have a Good Day.
That seems to be a piece of armor...regular Wyvern don't have that.
it's called "the bees and the OH GOD WHY DOES IT HAVE TEETH"
Patch review when?!!!
So did Norsca get more trolls to? And no one wants a big green tide in there rear.
*sad waaagh noises*
make surtha ek an empire general now !
CQC sounds so much better than CQB
Pepehands
Pepescoots
milkandcookiesTW monkaW
Say it ain’t so!
A buffed doodoo is still doodoo...
war wagons are the worst, they would have to put some repeater guns and that would make them much more interesting
Or use repeater guns like... ERM you see.. Repeating weapons..
0:48 "holy roman empire" mate i think you may be confusing this with charlemagne
I should definitely be a faction
ranged cavalry and chariots have a bit too much ammunition for how good they are at kiting.
Not really
Meh, the other side of that coin is they are generally terrible in melee, so if they had fairly less ammo they probably wouldn't be worth bringing often at all
Why is everyone judging new wagons so harshly? They seem much better now and patch is not even out yet, give them a chance
When you want the greenskins to win but see milkandcookiestw is play the empire :((
The orcs need that new ability from the goblin shaman. Dont even try it. Resets abilities of enemies and hurte lords. Perfect to counter wulhart
War wagons will always suck, I'm sad to say because of how cool they are. 6 guys in 4 wagons, that's only 24 guns firing, even if they're repeating rifles. That really is not a high enough volume of fire to do anything meaningful aside from harass enemy missile units that skirmish, which playing as the Empire, you've got way better arty units to deal with those anyway.
I got a mod that changes the war wagons with mortars into the ROR war wagons that have helblaster volley guns on them, never looked back.
That sucked....i was hoping the newly buffed faction would have won. I cant stand marcus dorkheart.....probably because i still harbor anger over his OP'ness on release.
I can’t watch MP battles anymore, MP has ruined some really nice units in TW.
like what?
Kite builds....zzzzz
Perhaps its fun to play the kite game, but damn is it boring to watch.
Once again, non-Bretonnian heavy cavalry in the unmodded game rather suck. You'd have been a lot better off with Huntsmen or Halberdiers instead. Or just more Pistoliers.
Heavy cavalry in this game is excellent. A unit like halberdiers wouldnt be flexible enough to block or hold and more pistoliers would result in an even faster main line collapse and give me the opportunity to crush markus and the wagons much faster.
Stone trolls are such a lazy reskin of the original troll model. Virtually the same.
I couldnt keep playing this game. Every patch just brings a new wave of OP units and heroes. Pay to win DLC bullshit, over it.
You are free to go bye ok buddy 😎👊👊😎
and yet armies made of non-DLC units still win tournaments. pay to win my ass
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Theres a big difference between the Pro meta and youre average player.