It's been so frustrating - Primal used to have a pretty solid raiding PF, especially during peak hours, and then a streamer (I have no idea who it was, I just heard about it) said Aether is the place to PF, and it was like night and day, suddenly a ghost town.
That's always been the thing though. Everyone always said Aether was the best raiding DC. Plus it's where most of the big streamers play. It wasn't until around the time Omega prog was happening that Primal pf really died. The funniest thing is you have a good chance of getting mostly Primal players in a Aether pf. As a Primal player this has pretty much killed the game for me.
I hate the whole "we have to do this now cause some streamer said so" sheep mentality. I took a break before this whole thing and came back to find Primal PF empty and was so confused until my friends told about it... so now i have to DC travel just play with ppl from my home DC 🤨
eh, even up through earl EW Primal PF was popping, I did everything though PF without leaving Primal, I took a break after finishing main EW MS and in that year it's a shadow of what it was even at EW launch@@GuyN0ir
I started the game in 2019, and I always heard Aether was better back then. They're not. I can't get over that they didn't use Sharigan strat for Shiva Savage -.- I bet there'd be better strats used in NA if everyone didn't travel to Aether, but that's speculation
Primal DC here.... It's horrible really. All I see is "Go to Aether to Raid and EX!" and when I finally succumb because it's DEAD I end up with a whole party full of people from my own dang DC.
@@bleth821I moved to aether from crystal because I knew it would happen (a month before the dc travel release), also crystal savage and ultimate pf was definitely lacking on players (in savage the further you go on the tier the less players crystal had to offer and ultimates 1/4 the amount of ultimates pf you see on aether before dc travel). If I am honest I think PF should be a connected system with every DC can join from their home DC, because having to data center travel to do pf is very annoying for people that are not on the popular server.
Fellow Primal refugee here. I started noticing the decrease in Savage PFs during P5-8, server hopped over to Aether after I heard people mentioning how many parties there were in Aether, and kind of just settled after seeing it for myself. I cleared P9-12 and BiS geared purely on Aether. I'm still technically from Primal, but it's probably been a year since I logged into my home world in Primal.
I actually bit the bullet and just transferred to Light. I was very tired of constantly changing servers to even look at my retainers or sell something, I just didn't want to leave my old FC behind and endured it... In the end I just switched to Zodiark and my FC exploded and completely disappeared like 1 week after I left with a huge drama so I guess it was the perfect time kek
It's even worse on Dynamis. Since it's a newer data center, we aren't very populated, so everyone goes to the other dcs just to go in df a lot of the time, and you're lucky to find any actual pfs up even on weekends sometimes. It's crazy.
They should make it so that there's cross data center recruitment. It sucks waiting for a party to fill and not being able to do much during that wait because you're not on your data center.
I actually find this really fascinating as we see a real world comparison as more people move from rural areas to the cities. Even with incentives, these rural areas still bleed population, so I doubt that giving out tons of stuff like gil and minions/mount tokens would work. I also want to know more about how the cloud test servers went, and what is going to come from that.
The solution is simple (i.e. consolidate PF by regions), and they did say they can do it, but they won't for the asinine reason of trying to keep a community together. This is the same reason they gave for not doing instanced housing.
I transferred from Aether to Dynamis when it opened because I wanted to meet new people from other data centers and have a shot at buying a medium house (which I did, in Shiro). But in addition to intrinsically lacking the population because we only have four worlds as opposed to eight, a significant chunk of the population is new players, or new characters, at least. Which means they don't have endgame content unlocked, which means we're practically obligated to use PF for any content beyond Stormblood. This has led to our "party finder culture" and I've met a lot of awesome people who are fellow lurkers like me; we just want to help players get content unlocked! Someone said that being on Dynamis is like moving to the suburbs for affordable housing, and transferring to other DCs for weeklies/raid is like commuting to work. It would be awesome if regional DF/PF were implemented. I should think it wouldn't be too difficult if the servers are in the same geographic location.
i like that dynamis kinda uses PF for alot of DF stuff it brings back a nostagic feeling from older days in a way anyways ive met awsome ppl through dynamis that on other DC's i wouldn't have due to DF ppl never talk out side of trashing on ppl makeing mistakes, where on dynamis ppl are more kind/socal
We did just have the cloud server test, so this might not be too far off. The team are definitely looking into new ways and technology to transfer and store information.
Not too sure about optional regional filters. I feel like having someone in your party half way across the world would just cause way too much lag to be good. It'd be essentially unavoidable, and players would be forced to ask what region someone is from before deciding to keep them in a PF, or kicking them. Keeping it to just your region would be the best solution.
the main problem with doing this would be latency. As the game stands right now, latency affects weaving during rotations rather than just positioning snapshots for avoidable attacks. Playing on EU I have 20 ping, playing on NA I have 150. The difference between the two for gameplay makes multiple jobs unplayable for me, one of which is my main, Ninja. SE has never admitted to this problem, and until they fix it, cross-region play is unworkable from a player perspective, despite the fact that from a physical/geological and corporate/financial perspective it's also currently extremely unlikely.
I'd want it optional. I remember healing a dungeon once, and the tank would just randomly use their mitigation AFTER big pulls, then you come to realization, that they are connected to some random parts of the world with really terrible internet traffic.
@@redgeoblaze3752 I almost exclusively play with someone from Europe on a NA server, the lag isn't really game breakingly bad (unless you are playing fall guys). I imagine if you could match with people or travel to other servers, there should obvious be a way to lock those regions out of your party. That seems a better solution than to take the option away from everyone just because you personally wouldn't use it.
This actually led to a massive stigma in my old FC as someone began inviting randoms from different DCs to the FC Discord for statics, which led to a culture of favoritism and toxicity along with false accusations sprinkled in to get those they disliked kicked from the FC. That FC has since died as they no longer engage with new players who join, leading to an unwelcoming atmosphere. One of the FC members I think got fed up with the situation and transferred to Brynhilder like I did. Its truly unfortunate it had to fall apart, as that FC was made in order to be more welcoming. Its why I also avoid statics now too. Its too much of a time commitment for someone like me who'd rather be enjoying life instead of raiding basically every night
The whole FC concept was a failure from the start it created wannabe elite players which is hysterical considering the game takes little to no skill and as for random FC invites I probably had 1000 when playing maybe those dopey clowns should actually ask if someone interested in joining a FC.
Where are all these FCs with drama because all the ones I ever join have literally one normal person that’s cool and then the rest are weebs, furries, flaming homosexuals, or random wannabe socialists. I join FCs just to have chats in the background while I play and I wouldn’t mind having some more entertaining conversations happening to laugh at lol
Same happened to the FC I made with my IRL friends at the time. One of us started inviting a whole bunch of people, created an in/outgroup culture with us being the out, and eventually they made their own FC, severed ties, and then later dumped that FC once they found a static of high level run-sellers to make real money off of. We're no longer friends.
I miss my reatiners, being able to chat with FC and I wish I could work on island sanctuary while away from my world. Also it feels pretty stupid to get a PF filled and see everyone is from the same outside DC.
Unfortunately this problem also exists in Materia (Not necessarily caused by DC travel but the same spiral of "If I go somewhere else I can find a group easier" so they go somewhere else and there are even less people in Materia to group with) and Regional PF wouldn't really help there.
It's real bad in NA. Cross DC pretty much killed partyfinder on Primal and Crystal, Dynamis never got started. If you like to do trials or are progressing in savage or ultimate, it gets to be very lonely, you could be spending hours away from their friends and DCs in practice and waiting for parties to fill. I think Rinon has the only real solution here, and it needs to be soon.
As an American on Crystal I find this very frustrating. I don't want to go to Aether to raid. It's tedious, but more importantly, I don't want to feed into the bleed of players who are on Crystal, but leave for pf. Probably the same on Primal. Dynamis...is probably never gonna have an active pf. Sorry Dynamis. But I hope Crystal and Primal both have an upswing where people just draw a line in the sand an say "I want ro raid close to home". Either that, or we need a cross DC party finder/queueing system.
I think its important to keep in mind, its not "Just that simple". This game has 10+ years of development stacked ontop of itself, and making a change like this requires a lot of work to make sure it works as intended, and doesn't cause problems with all of the other associated systems in the game that are even mildly related to things like this, and because of how they structured things using Data centers without likely ever considering at the time how to communicate or pass information between these hubs, its likely a massive overhaul of a lot of the underlying systems the game is built on to change this. I think a really good example of this that I remember a friend mentioning, I was confused why things like Glamour chests were locked to Inn rooms and couldn't be placed in player housing, it felt like a super weird design choice, but as they explained, they tried to put them into player housing, but just because of how the game is structured, it cause a lot of problems when players started interacting with/moving them in a space those objects were never designed to deal with. Should we be able to put those things in our house? Of course. Its silly we can't, but its just a question of resources, and how big of an improvement on the overall systems of the game is it to invest into this compared to something else? And we can look at this as the same thing. Should we be able to use Party Finder on our home server and not be forced to travel somewhere else? Yeah, sure. It's probably a good thing if that was the case, but given the problems its solving, it feels like something that can be put off for the time being in favor of changes that impact a greater number of players, with a greater positive impact then the minor convince of not needing to take 2 minutes to transfer, and make sure you have all your supplies ready for what you're going over to do. I think as a final counterpoint to this, when people look at the community issues something like this brought with it, I've never understood why people feel like isolating yourself to a single bubble within a game is "community". We're all playing the same game, we all share the same hobby, and I really like the fact that when I go from Crystal over to Aether to sit in PF, I get to see a whole new section of the playerbase that I wouldn't ever get to interact with otherwise. I've met a lot of friends while sitting on servers other then my own waiting for PF to fill an just killing time chatting with people who looked interesting. Some of which just decide to join me in random PF adventures to hang out, and that's pretty cool to me. \o/ Regardless of what changes they make, I feel there's always room to critique the state of the game. The more they open things up, the more people will cry out about the lost sense of community, the less open the game is, the more people will complain about the limitations of their ability to play with other people. Its impossible to make a perfect system that everyone will be happy with, and instead I think we should just focus on making the most out of the current system that we have rather then being mad that it's not perfect, because our perfect is another players worst version of the system.
One of the worst aspects of it for me has been the insanely different normal strats for fights that each DC has. I learned so many fights using Primal standard strats and if I want to join a PF to help out or reprog since it's been a while, I look like a complete idiot for not knowing that the strats are totally different. I've been trying to reprog TEA there and it's been difficult for my muscle memory of what I learned to change.
Yup. I hate what has happened to primal. I don't think allowing aether to uncheck cross dc will work though. Then the problem will still happen and people will transfer to get the full aether list.
Aether unchecking wouldn't be a huge problem, Aether isn't really that much bigger than Primal (save for the wave of people who transferred because of PF problem in this video) and a lot of the listing on Aether right now are from Primal players who went there to list their PF If all those Primal players were on Primal listing as cross DC it would be fine
"[Cross-world matching] isn't something that's needed, cross-data-centre is" \*Cries in Materia with only one data-centre that feels dead\* Things feel so dead over here... Isolated from the rest of the world and stuck in our own little bubble with a tiny population. Duty finder is all but dead, party finder is the only way to queue for certain types of content, even old content for people just going through the story, since duty support isn't available for trials and such. I've struggled to queue for some 6.X patch content! Even during the peakest time of the week that still very recent content can still take a long while to queue for. They weren't able to make moving to Materia attractive enough to pull many people from the JP servers, or even the NA servers, so there's just not enough people to keep things as lively as it should be. It's a bit of a catch-22, nobody wants to move because of the low population, but there's only a low population because nobody wants to move. Bad ping was annoying, and it's something I really like about having a DC closer to me, but I'd trade that for the option to queue with people from another region, just to be able to pug content. So from a Materia point of view, since we have no cross-data-centre, we desperately need cross-world.
When EW came out, I got tired of the 3k+ player queue on the NA servers, so I decided to temporarily play on the Material data center, mainly since the time zone difference should prevent the crazy queue. I had no idea how dead it was. For playing through the EW story, it actually was a huge plus that the DC was dead because it helped with the immersion. Being the only person on the moon and the edge of the universe was awesome. But it does suck for doing content afterwards.
I am a static leader FULL of aether players. I make them transfer to primal to raid, when when theres only 1 or 2 primal players in the static. Its revenge for killing my dc.
As a Crystal player who is new to raiding, coming to the game right after DC travel, I feel this. I didn't even know how to travel to another DC until recently, but I still refuse to for raiding. I only travel to shop for bargains really.
I remember back in shadowbringers even at like 3 am there was so many party finders going on at once, and a duty you wanted always wanted was going to have a party. Now even during prime hours there will just be a few party finders happening for extremes and savages.
Basically we were isolated on servers until cross world was released. now that we have cross dc it FEELS like we are isolated again. Not because we can't go to another place, but because if we do we lose our social functions and access to things we do in between waiting for parties to fill.
My main hope for anything like this is that it'd be handed in a way where Materia isn't decimated any further by players leaving. I don't expect it to ever be busy the way big data centres are, but if being on even one of the quiet NA data centres gave you access to all party finder recruitment and duty finder match making in the region I struggle to imagine OCE surviving. If regions became the new standard for the available player pool the way data centres did when cross world was available, I'd ideally want Materia to be folded into one of the other data centres (still keeping the Sydney based physical server location since ping reduction in the entire point of having an oceania data centre). I don't know if that would be possible, but it's probably the only way materia survives cross DC pf.
Even if it's not worldwide PF and DF, it should at least be region wide. There's no reason why Chaos can't see Light PFs when they can technically see them anyway (with a lil server traveling) So there's no cultural issues as it's already been torn down in 6.1. It would fix Dynamis being dead on NA, as they will actually have PFs and content to look for now
Worldwide PF would be best, but one potential compromise for the technical challenges might simply be to let folks *browse* other data centers party finders. You'd still need to travel, and maybe they could add a direct link in the search to let you do so, but it would allow folks to list PFs from their home worlds and still get access to everyone
I'm on chaos because the newb buff and that's what was recommended to me on reddit (which makes me feel bamboozled now), and I just thought this was the norm. I always chalked it up to bad timing since I usually try to PF at the end of the day or on weekends (which are different since I'm not actually from EU), and people just not wanting to play with randoms in general. I never knew this was an actual problem. I hope cross DC PF is a think because I simply can't switch for many reasons and honestly, I shouldn't have to.
I'm meanwhile someone who acknowledges that cross world shenanigans absolutely made savage and ultimate more accessible, and I will absolutely acknowledge that. But I still think it was less healthy for the game overall. Guilds may as well not even exist. Community for anything other than savage and ultimate may as well not even exist. There was also something to be said about having multiple different segregated communities in an MMO. Each of these communities having their different rules and culture was very healthy for the game, and if you didn't like the culture for your server you could just leave. Now the entirety of the community culture and rules are the same game wide, and if you don't like it, you basically have to just give up on interacting with players.
As someone on crystal... this is painful. Staring at the PF list in and of itself starts to burn me out going from group to group that only last a few pulls, while *also* not being able to distract myself between with things like the market board or FC chat.
I've been playing on chaos since mid-to-late Shadowbringers and while I did notice the PF being rather barren lately, I had no idea this was the reason! Just tried DC traveling to Light and sure enough, the PF is a lot livelier there, with multiple UWU and UCOB parties as well as progs for the current Extreme while at the same time the Chaos PF has only three parties recruiting in the High-End tab! The only exception seems to be the 'other' tab, which is equally swamped with nightclub ads on both DC's.
One thing I can say about EU scene with everyone going to Light was mostly because Light consolidated a lot of it's resources via LPDU whereas chaos was well chaotic. Both data centres used different strats for both savages and ultimates but since Light made its resources accessible it made it the definitive way to raid especially considering in chaos if you suggested light DC strats they were frowned upon.
yeah, the reason light became the pf'ing server is because it already was even before datacenter travel, and it was thanks to lpdu, back then chaos players had no choice but to transfer if they wanted to do ultimates in pf. Then as soon as travel was implemented their fate was sealed
@@kiiturii I wouldn't say Light was the main pfing server before DC travel. Before DC travel chaos had quite a few pfs up including ultimates, I helped others in uwu pf get the kill and even got a top 10 speedkill randomly in a chaos pf back in 6.1. When the DC travel happened was when it started to drift and a huge part in that is cause of LPDU, Light has different strats to chaos and if you did suggest LPDU strats in chaos back in 6.1 or before they would kick you out of the party cause they were "different" , while chaos didn't have lpdu they did have an abundant of macros and toolboxes to give to players but the issue is you'd have to find that somewhere or ask in something like the ERC. DC travel comes around now in 6.2 and while pfs are up in chaos we start to see it die down. From the perspective of the new player if I joined a party in chaos and suggested LPDU strats I'd be kicked because the LPDU strats differ from chaos, but wait, I can now just skip on to Light, join a pf and they won't kick me because I've studied their strats. Now someone from my FC wants to raid, well I'll tell them I learnt LPDU strats so you'd have to go there as chaos won't allow it. Repeat this ad infinitum. It's funny because LPDU has been standardised nowadays so much so chaos strats don't even exist, chaos can reasonably just start pfs and put in the description LPDU strats and people won't complain this time, like both DC's could thrive now but it's too late now...
@@GoodLosertjo yes chaos pf of course existed because people didn't have a choice, but due to how chaotic it was thanks to no consistent strats people didn't want to pf there as much and instead joined statics, so when datacenter travel was implemented there was immediately a huge shift from chaos to light just for ultimate pfs and yeah people definitely could just use lpdu strats on chaos but now it's not anymore about standardized strats, it's about wait times.. It's funny because there are a lot of parties that fill up on light that are made up of only chaos players lmao..
@@GoodLosertjo That's what you call poetic justice. Funny how Chaos imploded on itself, truly poetic even in the name. Don't get me wrong, I think what happened to Chaos is a terrible thing, but is it surprising that the more accessible and more organised way keeps on? I just find it ironic.
Yeah I wish cross-DC travel never happened. In NA, Aether has always been the more raider-heavy DC, but I'm on Crystal and there's always been enough parties and activity to get through extremes and savages without too much trouble. Until DC-travel dropped. Now there's nothing. Like 3 parties in "High-End" during NA prime time. Go to Aether and there are 100-150. It sucks feeling forced to DC travel. It sucks not being able to use retainers or access FC house or Island Sanctuary or gather from timed nodes while waiting for your party to fill. EW will likely be the first expansion I don't finish my extreme tank mount farming before the next expansion, just because I don't want to DC travel. Obviously the solution is to have cross-DC party finder, but I'm guessing that's going to be difficult and take years to implement. I'm also worried this issue won't get any attention since all the big streamers who get to go to media events and whatnot already play on those most-popular DCs anyway, or they have a viewer community ready to fill their party for any content, so it doesn't affect them.
At the beginning of this year I could get parties on primal for high end duties and now a year later it's fucking dead which sucks because I don't want to sit in pf without being able to talk in my fc chat & shit.
This issue has trickled down to casual players too. People DC hop just to do roulettes. When people make PFs to try to do the Crystal Tower raids for the first time, which is mandatory content, because the queue times in the Duty Finder were just endless, things are really bad. Unfortunately the only long term fix for this seems to be cross DC duty finder and party finder but that seems like it'd require a massive overhaul of their infrastructure. Considering the process you have to go through to DC travel, I imagine they just do not have the infrastructure setup to relay information seamlessly between DCs. Don't envy them in trying to find a solution here because the obvious one is immensely costly.
"Oh! Hello, Self fulfilling prophecy that happened when alot of players went to the official forums during the sever splits and said all the good raiders went to Aether and all them crazy role players go to Crystal! How's the wife and kids?"
Thank you for making this video and raising more awareness (hopefully to SE) of this massive problem. I myself am on Chaos, where my FC is also based. For me, the issue is less about retainer access, but more about the fact that while on Light, I'm completely cut off from my entire community (Free Company). As the FC leader, it's even more important that my online time is spent socializing & communicating with my community. But since I have to travel to Light to enjoy any PF content, I may as well be "Offline" to my FC. I can't see FC chat, I can't communicate in FC chat, I can't access my FC menu or communicate with any of my friends. Everytime I play FF14 now, I have to choose: Hang out with my FC friends and do no actual raiding content OR do raiding content on Light, and basically be offline to my community. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this pain, of being forced to cut contact with my community, and for me personally is a MUCH bigger problem caused by this Light vs Chaos issue. Again, I just want to give a huge thanks to Rinon for finally bringing this to light - I desperately hope, as Rinon suggested, that Yoshi-P will find a way to introduce cross data centre party finder soon. This is really damaging my entire experience as I'm heartbroken about being ripped away from my friends, when I want to raid. I'm personally hoping that the "Cloud Based Servers" they're currently testing, will make the cross data centre PF feasible for SE, from a technical standpoint.
It's not just the High End stuff EITHER. I'm on Dynamis. If I want to even do *roulettes*, I have to Travel. If I want to do ANYTHING, I have to either Travel or hope someone checks the PF because the way we get ANYTHING done is by posting it on PF and even THAT doesn't work sometimes.
Maybe I'm just the architect of my own misery, but... I'm on Crystal. I started on Crystal and I'm not leaving it. I had my first savage tier experience in the PF on Crystal, back when it usually had a decent amount of listings. Now? "lol Crystal doesn't raid, just go to Aether". If I wanted to go to Aether, my dude, I'd have just moved there and treated this like WoW where nothing matters but what you get for yourself. So I refuse. Basically have given up on raiding, even though I very much enjoyed it, but I choose to hold Crystal to better. Here's hoping a better solution is found.
I haven’t PF’d this tier until just about a month ago but I feel like what were experiencing is just a result of the end of the xpac? Or was this happening during abyssos as well?
idk about all servers but chaos players started immediately travelling to light for pf when datacenter travel was implemented, it's not a player activity issue
There are really only two ways to fix this. Restrict DC travel long enough for the low pop DCs to stabilize running content there and encourage character creation and transfers to low pop DCs, or cross DC party finding/duty finding.
Cross DC party/duty finder is the only way. Everyone will just leave the DCs anyways for greener pastures when the locks are released because some datacenters will always be deemed to have a "better skilled" player base than other datacenters will. Fully removing the walls between pf/df is really the only thing that will fix this issue as it will remove the perceived advantage of going to the "good" DC to run duties.
Data Center Travel in the way they implemented it is one of the worst things that has happened to the community at large. For the people willing to forgo a sense of home, community, and retainers, FCs, etc. it’s fine and they’ll just travel. For anyone who likes being in an FC, interacting with them, running PFs, or even just queuing in DF, the experience is exponentially worse in every regard. New players might not even realize this when queuing for dungeons and raids they unlock, getting significantly longer queue times, even when there are objectively enough players on their home DC to get fast queues, but people just travel by default when queuing. The implementation was made with a kind heart to allow individuals to play with their friends, but the ability to host and join PFs should have been denied. It’s too late to renege on that now, so the only solution to resolve it is a region wide PF/DF. If not implemented, the servers that are already not the “main” DC will continue to die, and if people think that Dawntrail will resolve it by simply having too long of queues during launch, they are fooling themselves, as people will continue to travel by default the moment the queues are tolerable again. And the uroborus will continue.
Yeah, the reason the "just move DCs then lol" argument doesn't work for me is bc there's no way for new players to know what DC is the "right" one when they first join. I can see it having problems when newer players start to reach endgame and think that raiding is dead or unpopular bc they didn't choose Aether 50+ hours of msq ago.
Exactly as said. If people getting into the game for the first time choose a server that isn't on the "main" DC, they will have a bad time, think the game is dead, and could very well quit without ever knowing why it's as bad as it is. People need to be encouraged to stay on their home DCs and use a cross-DC PF/DF. What absolutely should NOT happen is what some suggest by giving more reasons to travel and stay on another DC (i.e. have use of retainers, mining nodes, while traveling). The game will improve with LESS travel, not MORE.
I stay on chaos because the hunt scene is far more chill but did end up having to cave a dc hop for Golbex and man the difference was night and day, unfortunatley though I can't see us getting regionwide pf until they can create dc travel not requiring a log out beforehand so probably going to be quite the wait.
when my static is missing even one person, we sometimes just say "fuck it" and converge on aether. finding just one (1) person to fill the pf took so long on crystal lol.
Until I actually had someone to play with last year, I didn't realize how big a problem this was. I spent most of my time on Aether, and still do out of hope and habit, and I felt like I lost so much, little as it is. I can't just transfer, I have friends, memories, and FC and houses. Just feels kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't even look at Crystal's PF anymore, other than to compare how different it is-where high-end duties on Aether significantly outnumber the entirety of my DC's listings. If you love in-game nightclubs, though, you're in for a good(?) time.
its really a shame how far down it went. I am on Cerberus and some of our fc members moved to Twintania on light simply for party reasons and outside discord there is almost no communication cause half the FC spends hours sitting around on Limsa waiting for a party to fill. Its just draining and am ashamed to admit that i participate in that occasionally
This issue happened in WoW early on and NEVER recovered. Horde racial abilities were so strong in early WoW that people migrated to Horde for the racial abilities. But then everyone who raided were horde so people migrated to horde, not for the racial abilities (because only the top end cared about that) but that's where everyone was. And then years of stigma of Alliance raiding is bad, doesn't exist, and it's impossible to migrate entire guilds to Alliance. Weird how things can snowball like that and it happens before you even noticed. And it's (almost) irreversible. I bet FFXIV could do it, though.
In the modern day it is no longer incompetence in balance, but intentional. Blizzard will flip flop between which race has better PvE and PvP racials to force mass paid transfers to different faction. Guilds genuinely expect you to pay for any services required in order to raid with them, no questions it's become that normalised. People don't have loyalty to servers or factions anymore, just the chasing of top parses and being in the big guilds.
That's exactly why I transferred from chaos to light :( it started out simple, then every static I joined also switched to light or if I wanted to do some party finder I had to go to light... Then i found myslef spending time only on light so I decided to bite the bullet and just switch.
One of the biggest hurdles that would make ff14 cross world and cross server play to be better would be to do something the fighting game community did which is called numpad notation. When it comes to fighting games it's very difficult to understand and link combos and guides but when we all decided to link the numpad on your keyboard to directions it became universally easy to both share information and combos. Now you can just type 214C and no matter where in the world you are people will know what that motion is. To translate what I am trying to get across is that something similar would need to be implemented in FF14, but the biggest issue with that is that how would you make a system that would give all players equal knowledge without using words?
tbh i've somehow goofed my way into being a european playing on coeurl, crystal in order to play with friends, but i haven't really had much difficulty finding pfs either on coeurl. it's one of two congested worlds over on crystal, so i guess that's it? i think a way to fix it that doesn't rely on upgrading pf is honestly just to designate some servers as "supercongested" and prevent travelling, which'll inevitably force some people out onto other servers, but i can see how this goes poorly if your entire static has to travel to dynamis solely because none of you can travel to each other's worlds. but, if certain restrictions are lifted like fc buffs (maybe can't apply them but can keep them), retainers and nodes, this shouldn't be too bad either?
Ah that's why I've seen you hanging around on Odin for hours the other day. I don't think adding regional PF's would be that hard technically it's just a lot of work to implement. Light and Chaos are in the same Frankfurt Datacenter as far as I know so communication between those shouldn't be an issue physically but logically depending on how much spaghetti-code the 10+ year old DC code is.
Pros: You can go do 99% of msq on these servers when each patch drop so you don’t end up in situation where the supposedly empty place like UT is filled with players.
I don't mind travelling to light for pf as i'm not a hardcore raider so meh, but I really hope they find a solution as I wouldn't like to play on a dead server or to not see other players out and about in the world :(
If I didn't have a house, I would 100% have moved to aether already and at this point I still might. I'm holding out for dawntrail and seeing what happens or if cloud server for pf/instance content comes into play maybe
This. I fully agree. Its a massive problem to me personally. My main character is on crystal, and i cant homeworld transfer because i have a house and an FC i would loose if i did. I find having to data center travel to play soo annoying i made an alt instead. Traveling back and forth having to constantly queue in and out inbetween is such a pain imo, it would be more barable if you could do it like world hopping from an atheryte but sadly you cant. I still play on my Crystal character, i did all crafter relics there for example in hopes i one day can actually use the character again. But for now, i raid on an alt instead of my main.
yeah it sucks. Me and my FC are on crystal and were trying to make it through the current savage (P9-P12) filling in the last 3 spots with PF and it would take hours just to have the extras die to LC1 for half the lockout. I know its a meme but raiding is dead on crystal. We spent over a month trying to get through P9 with no luck also losing a tank to burnout along the way. We transfered over to aether and cleared that week.
I transfer between Dynamis and Aether all the time. My OG server is Zalera on Crystal. It's really not as big a deal as people make, but I guess if you don't like swapping, then that's on you. I World-hop constantly for the best MB deals. It takes like 30 seconds to DC transfer and then go about my day.
@@reachinghigher4259 it depends on your specs. It does not take me just 30 seconds to DC travel. Logging in and out is taking most of the time, which being pulled out of the game, waiting for it just to log back in i personally find super unsatisfying and immersion breaking. Hopping from one world to another with the aetheryte i find less of a problem. I do that too for marketboards, to another DC i find a waste of time, normally i can make more money then i safe in the same time if i wanted to. Unrelated, it seems like you didnt really watch the video, since its entirely about that its not lust about the travel time ^^ there is plenty of reasons why traveling is a inconvinience and just shouldnt be required to play the game.
I'm new to the game and started on Dynamis (I had no idea what I was doing). My friend started on Aether and we both noticed SIGNIFICANTLY how shorter the queue times were on Aether duty finder, and ever since then I've just been a traveler here pretty much since I started the game. I'm not a high end raider or anything (yet ;)) but having to go back to my home world across dc's just to see my retainer's inventory is pretty annoying. Also completely missing out on the free company feature, and while leveling my gatherers I have to completely go back to my home dc just to get the timed location thing. I do hope one day at the very least duty finder is region wide, although as you say that would bring with it all sorts of technical challenges and ping issues. Maybe incentivize party finder on your home dc somehow would help the issue? Who knows. Great video!
I feel like the new player who has no idea what DC travel is, and not knowing what each DC is representing can be a problem. Most new players don't even check TH-cam or official websites before they hop into a game. Its not expected of them either. They usually pick a server which name resonates with them, that a friend plays on, or any servers that are open and hop right in. New players will indirectly get punished if they so happen to choose a server on dead datacenter. When they queue into a MSQ trial that requires help from others players and they are waiting 30+ minutes for the queue to proc IS in fact a barrier to entry to playing the game. Being a mentor, there is a lot of sprouts queuing for extremes and are completely unaware of the party finder even existing. They are that new, and yes.. its unhealthy for the game if they can't progress smoothly. The MSQ is the game's main selling point, and it would suck to see new players stop playing because they can't even progress through it due to being completely unaware of the game's features. DC travel can't remain the way it is right now, and it would really suck if they don't do something about it in Dawntrail. Even I felt like the game was kind of unattractive now being stuck on a DC that wasn't the chosen one for the community. Dead DCs suck, and its super bad for new players.
I play World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy XIV and they both do the same thing but in a different way. In World of Warcraft the region wide duty finder is automatic and traveling to other 'servers' is automatic which means you can easily find players to do content with and the system is seamless for most players (i'll address the 'culture' in a bit) which means that the tech behind it does all the heavy lifting and all the player needs to do is logon and play, this is a huge benefit. However the flip side to this is that you don't get to choose what 'shard' you're on and so that can mean that you get 'phased' at inopportune moments (when you're about to harvest a node, but the boundary of the shard exceeds and as you get to the node it disappears because you swap to a different shard) which can be an intense form of frustration, and i've even seen it lately that in the middle of an event that the 'shard' changes and your progress gets reset, this sucks ass. In addition to that we also have the PING issues between the NA shards and the OCE shards (Australia) as there has been a noticeable increase in QQing from NA players that play with OCE players if they get plopped into an OCE shard / instance, and because it's automatic you don't get a choice so the frustration is high. Now the question about 'culture' is a very interesting one because we are matched with OCE / NA / Latin America and it's almost a meme at this point that there are certain servers in LA that are extremely toxic and some high population servers in NA that are also extremely toxic and you'll find that many many people will straight up refuse to play with anyone from those servers, which is the community's way to avoid the culture difference and have an enjoyable time. I don't think that Yoshi-P's concerns about culture are warranted because the community will find a way to filter out the people they don't want to play with, and for everyone else that doesn't care they'll have a ton more people to play with. Perhaps the opt-in system would alleviate this kind of problem because the people that care about it could specify "JP DC only" or "NA DC only" and then only play with people in that region. On the whole however, ping issues aside (which I don't know if it IS actually ping issues or if it's just Blizzard sucking at server management), I don't see any reason they can't enable full world-wide interaction via the DF, the PF or even via a travel system (As an OCE person, I miss playing with people on NA, the old Aether Hunts were just fun) and just make it an opt-in system that you have to select which regions you want to queue for, I would love to play with other regions. I think that the travel system they have would probably be the least problematic ping wise too because they should just 'copy' your character over temporarily so that should only have latency for the ones that are traveling over to the other DC (eg. if I queued in NA, I would get the latency because I am the one connecting to their Queue), so I think that their trepidation in implementing a system is honestly hurting the player base. In addition to that I don't know why they can't similarly implement a system that allows you to get mail or access retainers, but I don't see this as a major issue as you can just use the chocobo saddlebag (which I think still works) or prepare ahead of time, but I do see that it could be a minor inconvenience. I think the system on the whole is more of a benefit to the players than it is a hindrance (even if it does mean that you only have 1 DC out of the region to do PF with) and I think they should expand it more.
Actually only learned from this video that im on a dead data center (Chaos) just never really reflected on why the partyfinder always was so empty, just thought people use duty queue instead.
I'm starting to think having a house is not worth having to data center hop every time I want to do some instanced content, but i'm gonna wait and see if Dawntrail normalizes things a bit.
Dynamis in NA is an absolute ghost town. Like people just make an alt there and immediately just go to to a different DC from there. I'm on Crystal and every week I get together with my FC to tackle thordan unreal, most of the time we don't really get the full 8 people (my FC is really casual). We often end up having to cancel because we simply can't get *ONE OR TWO PEOPLE* to fill in a reasonable amount of time.
I fully believe that we'll have region-wide PF at some point in Dawntrail. I don't see them ever not doing that and I've felt that way since DC travel was announced, but for now, the growing pain is here and it's not going to magically go away.
Fortunately, I'm on crystal and it's still not TOO hard to fill a PF for something new or in high demand. I joined an Ex1 farm party yesterday and it didn't take too long to fill, but whenever I want to prog something, I basically have to DC travel to Aether unless I can convince some poor chaps in my FC to do it with me.
If they don't do world wide pf or duty finder, or even travel, I'd be happy with just DC wide duty finder/pf within the same region, like I can find parties and join them from Aether while still being in my home DC of Crystal. Would make things a lot easier when it comes to wanting to prog ults or savages and not being forced to sit in a different DC to my home dc, losing access to my retainers and such like you mentioned. Would be able to get things done while waiting for a PF to fill or something. Would also mean I don't need to DC travel to Dynamis for raid nights anymore lol
Also here is the other issue. When Dawntrail comes out the player count is going to increase so just logging into your home server will take a minute now imagine everyone trying to go to 1 DC with influx of players...
I made an alt on Sagittarius, had the road to 80 buff. Then it went away, but a couple months later it returned. Really made me realize I’m living good with my main on Excalibur.
I think it’s a small problem, at least in NA, we have three major DC each have their unique characteristics and Dynamis full of nothingness. So if people wanna do something specific they may go to the corresponding DC, I’ve seen people from Primal and Aether in Crystal for RP and Primal and Crystal in Aether for raiding etc
I don’t mind going to other data centers for endgame content. I do mind that I can’t access my retainers, farm timed nodes, benefit from my FC buffs and visit my island sanctuary.
I'm on Primal and, if I didn't have a medium house, I'd have 100% transferred to Aether by now and I think a lot of people feel the same way about housing or other social ties. At the bare minimum, they need to enable the various social aspects, retainers, firmament, and gathering nodes (this one I'm iffy on but it probably needs to happen) for characters as long as they're within the same region as their home world. I'm tired of having to go through the process of logging out of Leviathan and hopping to Aether out of boredom because we only have 3-5 PF listings going on for most of the day/night.
A quick fix for this issue is to just not let you queue content cross DC. Then all the primal people would have to queue on primal, for example. I suppose you *could* do the regional pf, but I'm not sure they would.
I've been casually working my way through the MSQ for a couple years now (playing with friends, so our progress has been slow, but enjoyable). Now that I'm getting closer to current content (almost finished with Shadowbringers), I'm a little worried to find out about this problem. Hope it gets fixed before I catch up!
The "under consideration" part of Yoshi-P's statement does make me pause a little, as there is a culture of "Never say 'no', always try and offer something" in Japan. From a technical perspective, different datacenters do live in different server racks, and it's part of why you have to log out to transfer so they don't lose data from doing other things while you wait as your character data/inventory/etc. gets moved between racks instead of just within the same rack, where shorter distances = faster transfers. It doesn't completely rule it out, but would possibly mean some lengthy transfer times onto the instance server of another datacenter as well as difficulty with party chat as you wait. I'm shocked that Chaos is so underpopulated though, being from Light! I remember some of the big raiding groups all crying "Stay on Chaos, it's the raiding DC!" back when it was due to happen (although I did wonder if this was just the run-sellers trying not to split their client base)
Guilty as charged... I always HAVE to datacenter travel, with me currently grinding out the Resistence Weapons as well as an fleeting interest in Savage Raiding. Chaos is just sorta like, dead. But I have my friends, and more importantly our FC and FC House on Chaos and frankly none of us want to permanently switch over to Light just for better queue times. We sorta just wish there was a fix to the situation, altough deep down it feels as if this is going to be how it is now and we just kinda, have to deal with it ^^'
It kinda hurts socialness for sure. Cross Data Center Servers PF would make sense but on top. You get cut off from PMing, you get no retainers, you get to be in a isolation bubble. If it keeps up people choose the raiding scene and then the other ppl in the other data center...It'll cause a migratory just by force of, feature removal etc. by "visitation" causing them to ditch their houses potentially. The fact this already happen prior to NA, etc. it's kinda scary. People migrate to activity. Then they want "segregations" for their flocks like raiders, RPers etc. but forget people are in multiple group circles...so it ends up a bunch of RP/Raiders all flocking about acting uppity then they get annoyed by non-raiders run off for their raids. Their niche favorite people commonly follow and cracks social groups to the ground. The whole "Same Mind etc." thing is annoying if you don't have money to move and have things you worked on in your home etc. You feel pinned. If you visit them over and over...you're cut from your other inventory and tasks...It's frustrating. I Agree link the entire Comms/PF into a singular working cross instance. I know exactly WoW had this problem too. "Empty world" And had to do "cross servers" to fill the gaps of lonely servers or fuse 2 servers into each other cause 1 was dyeing off. They're just causing the environment of separations in a very semi-social game. (It's not typically very social)
GW2 got rid of that problem with the mega server. Basically everyone is in the same shard of zone and if it overflows, another shard is made until it fills an so on an such. Then when a shard becomes underpopulated they offer to switch you with a small bonus to entice you and you end up in a more populated one. I know their engine tech might limit them, but GW2 has the best solution to having population poroblems on servers.
Our DC that I play on is quiet but not dead. We did a BLU lv 80 farm. Took like 30 min to fill a group of 8. But it still filled when I posted. Same with maps. I always fill. Btw, I play on JP and during the down time for JP mostly. Our DC is moderately populated and I haven't seen any Flux since the shift to DC travel.
I pretty much agree with your opinions since i as well am on EU so it makes a lot of sense for EU atleast (idk about cultural things on NA or JP ) as EU does LPDU and Light strats anyway that implementing cross region pf doesnt have any detriment and just benefits, cause then everyone on Chaos can pf and not have to dc hop to do so.
After watching this I am literally DC transferring to Aether because of the lack of PF on Primal. I do my best not to DC travel if I can help it, but when you're doing content that is old enough most people don't' do it but not so old that it is easy with enough people you need that extra pool of people to draw from or your PF will never fill in a million years. Having cross-DC PF would massively alleviate many of these problems, and I'd imagine it would lighten the load on DC travel immensely by relegating it mostly to people traveling for venues or to hang out with friends in other DCs. However, Yoshi-P is right, it's a huge technical challenge. Seeing the cloud data center test though is a promising thing, as it means that DCs can be more virtualized and thus far easier to change between.
I really don't want to but i'll switch DC before Dawntrail. I know the servers will be full again when the expansion launches but a few months after that will have the same problems that we have now, and i don't know when the Devs will announce something regarding Duty Finder and DC fusion.
As an EU player I am now I am so glad to be in a NA DC. Goblin is great, ok my ping sucks at times, but on the whole it has been a great experience. I have a separate account on Spriggan.. Sometimes with a wait queue of two hours for a dungeon is crazy!
primal is so dead its insane. resubbed after like 6 months and there is basically nothing on here. today as im posting this there are 13 posts total with 5 of those being actual content. i can go to aether and there'll be probably 150+ posts on high-end content alone, you basically cant do anything on primal, especially if you haven't learned any of it. unfortunately, no world (besides dynamis) on NA has a free transfer, so I'll probably not move for a while
@@tbown I would have lost my house in primal if I did transfer FC don't care cause they've been dead for so long they never touched the mansion they finished aether is probably like a las Vegas or Hollywood since most streams are there
Other than not having to dedicate a specific time window and hoping other can do the same. One of the biggest advantages of playing whit random people and not a static is that you can just leave if you are tired or frustrated. If someone cant do basic rotations or utilize there classes abilities properly and yet wants to do savage content. In PUBs you can just quietly say you have to go and levee no fuss. Meanwhile i had statics whit people who can barely play the game and i would get called an elitist for expecting the other healer to also do damage (I was one of the healers). Not to mention playing whit random means you have to actually learn the mechanics not just rely on call-outs.
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It's been so frustrating - Primal used to have a pretty solid raiding PF, especially during peak hours, and then a streamer (I have no idea who it was, I just heard about it) said Aether is the place to PF, and it was like night and day, suddenly a ghost town.
That's always been the thing though. Everyone always said Aether was the best raiding DC. Plus it's where most of the big streamers play. It wasn't until around the time Omega prog was happening that Primal pf really died. The funniest thing is you have a good chance of getting mostly Primal players in a Aether pf.
As a Primal player this has pretty much killed the game for me.
heard of UPR? Primal used to be ultimate raiders hub
I hate the whole "we have to do this now cause some streamer said so" sheep mentality. I took a break before this whole thing and came back to find Primal PF empty and was so confused until my friends told about it... so now i have to DC travel just play with ppl from my home DC 🤨
eh, even up through earl EW Primal PF was popping, I did everything though PF without leaving Primal, I took a break after finishing main EW MS and in that year it's a shadow of what it was even at EW launch@@GuyN0ir
I started the game in 2019, and I always heard Aether was better back then. They're not. I can't get over that they didn't use Sharigan strat for Shiva Savage -.-
I bet there'd be better strats used in NA if everyone didn't travel to Aether, but that's speculation
Primal DC here.... It's horrible really. All I see is "Go to Aether to Raid and EX!" and when I finally succumb because it's DEAD I end up with a whole party full of people from my own dang DC.
Ain't that the god's honest truth right here?
I'm on crystal and it is annoying getting tells to my pf telling me to go to aether.
No bs I went to Aether last night and was like “How did Levi go from a good raid server to a barren waste land” 😭
@@bleth821I moved to aether from crystal because I knew it would happen (a month before the dc travel release), also crystal savage and ultimate pf was definitely lacking on players (in savage the further you go on the tier the less players crystal had to offer and ultimates 1/4 the amount of ultimates pf you see on aether before dc travel).
If I am honest I think PF should be a connected system with every DC can join from their home DC, because having to data center travel to do pf is very annoying for people that are not on the popular server.
Fellow Primal refugee here. I started noticing the decrease in Savage PFs during P5-8, server hopped over to Aether after I heard people mentioning how many parties there were in Aether, and kind of just settled after seeing it for myself. I cleared P9-12 and BiS geared purely on Aether. I'm still technically from Primal, but it's probably been a year since I logged into my home world in Primal.
I actually bit the bullet and just transferred to Light. I was very tired of constantly changing servers to even look at my retainers or sell something, I just didn't want to leave my old FC behind and endured it... In the end I just switched to Zodiark and my FC exploded and completely disappeared like 1 week after I left with a huge drama so I guess it was the perfect time kek
It's even worse on Dynamis. Since it's a newer data center, we aren't very populated, so everyone goes to the other dcs just to go in df a lot of the time, and you're lucky to find any actual pfs up even on weekends sometimes. It's crazy.
Yeah, you all end up on Crystal for some reasoon.
@@loneblade201 and Aether for Raiding, yeah
I'd be surprised to not see a Dynamis refugee in any roulette in Crystal.
I love Dynamis because it's so empty
Great for if you want to do some farming in Eureka or Bozja and be left in peace.
@@kosbebot6360I was a former Dynamics refugee, transferred to Crystal awhile back, though
They should make it so that there's cross data center recruitment. It sucks waiting for a party to fill and not being able to do much during that wait because you're not on your data center.
I actually find this really fascinating as we see a real world comparison as more people move from rural areas to the cities. Even with incentives, these rural areas still bleed population, so I doubt that giving out tons of stuff like gil and minions/mount tokens would work. I also want to know more about how the cloud test servers went, and what is going to come from that.
as someone from a rural area that wants to live there still....... the world won't let me.
(to clarify it's because there's no available jobs or homes)
@@kay_faraday there are they're just not inflated corporate city jobs lol minimum wage or hard labor take your pick 😆
@@shawnk7720 we clearly have different definitions of rural. There's not even minimum wage jobs available where I grew up.
The solution is simple (i.e. consolidate PF by regions), and they did say they can do it, but they won't for the asinine reason of trying to keep a community together. This is the same reason they gave for not doing instanced housing.
I transferred from Aether to Dynamis when it opened because I wanted to meet new people from other data centers and have a shot at buying a medium house (which I did, in Shiro). But in addition to intrinsically lacking the population because we only have four worlds as opposed to eight, a significant chunk of the population is new players, or new characters, at least. Which means they don't have endgame content unlocked, which means we're practically obligated to use PF for any content beyond Stormblood. This has led to our "party finder culture" and I've met a lot of awesome people who are fellow lurkers like me; we just want to help players get content unlocked! Someone said that being on Dynamis is like moving to the suburbs for affordable housing, and transferring to other DCs for weeklies/raid is like commuting to work. It would be awesome if regional DF/PF were implemented. I should think it wouldn't be too difficult if the servers are in the same geographic location.
the PF culture is legit my favorite part of my dynamis alt
i like that dynamis kinda uses PF for alot of DF stuff it brings back a nostagic feeling from older days in a way anyways ive met awsome ppl through dynamis that on other DC's i wouldn't have due to DF ppl never talk out side of trashing on ppl makeing mistakes, where on dynamis ppl are more kind/socal
@@MIZUKIYuzuka-tx8no yeah it reminds me of stormblood era for some reason
The sentence "I transferred from Aether to Dynamis" fits so well with the lore haha
All instanced and queued content, duty finder, party finder, all of it. Should combine all servers and data centers. With optional regional filters
We did just have the cloud server test, so this might not be too far off. The team are definitely looking into new ways and technology to transfer and store information.
Not too sure about optional regional filters.
I feel like having someone in your party half way across the world would just cause way too much lag to be good. It'd be essentially unavoidable, and players would be forced to ask what region someone is from before deciding to keep them in a PF, or kicking them. Keeping it to just your region would be the best solution.
the main problem with doing this would be latency. As the game stands right now, latency affects weaving during rotations rather than just positioning snapshots for avoidable attacks. Playing on EU I have 20 ping, playing on NA I have 150. The difference between the two for gameplay makes multiple jobs unplayable for me, one of which is my main, Ninja. SE has never admitted to this problem, and until they fix it, cross-region play is unworkable from a player perspective, despite the fact that from a physical/geological and corporate/financial perspective it's also currently extremely unlikely.
I'd want it optional. I remember healing a dungeon once, and the tank would just randomly use their mitigation AFTER big pulls, then you come to realization, that they are connected to some random parts of the world with really terrible internet traffic.
@@redgeoblaze3752 I almost exclusively play with someone from Europe on a NA server, the lag isn't really game breakingly bad (unless you are playing fall guys).
I imagine if you could match with people or travel to other servers, there should obvious be a way to lock those regions out of your party. That seems a better solution than to take the option away from everyone just because you personally wouldn't use it.
This actually led to a massive stigma in my old FC as someone began inviting randoms from different DCs to the FC Discord for statics, which led to a culture of favoritism and toxicity along with false accusations sprinkled in to get those they disliked kicked from the FC. That FC has since died as they no longer engage with new players who join, leading to an unwelcoming atmosphere. One of the FC members I think got fed up with the situation and transferred to Brynhilder like I did.
Its truly unfortunate it had to fall apart, as that FC was made in order to be more welcoming. Its why I also avoid statics now too. Its too much of a time commitment for someone like me who'd rather be enjoying life instead of raiding basically every night
what fc? sounds familiar to mine
The whole FC concept was a failure from the start it created wannabe elite players which is hysterical considering the game takes little to no skill and as for random FC invites I probably had 1000 when playing maybe those dopey clowns should actually ask if someone interested in joining a FC.
Where are all these FCs with drama because all the ones I ever join have literally one normal person that’s cool and then the rest are weebs, furries, flaming homosexuals, or random wannabe socialists. I join FCs just to have chats in the background while I play and I wouldn’t mind having some more entertaining conversations happening to laugh at lol
Same happened to the FC I made with my IRL friends at the time. One of us started inviting a whole bunch of people, created an in/outgroup culture with us being the out, and eventually they made their own FC, severed ties, and then later dumped that FC once they found a static of high level run-sellers to make real money off of. We're no longer friends.
Bit of a late reply, but as someone who started on-- and will remain on-- Bryn, I hope you're finding it welcoming.
I miss my reatiners, being able to chat with FC and I wish I could work on island sanctuary while away from my world. Also it feels pretty stupid to get a PF filled and see everyone is from the same outside DC.
@@Grimnoire Because everybody's already on Aether. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Unfortunately this problem also exists in Materia (Not necessarily caused by DC travel but the same spiral of "If I go somewhere else I can find a group easier" so they go somewhere else and there are even less people in Materia to group with) and Regional PF wouldn't really help there.
I moved from Materia to Aether, so much better
It's real bad in NA. Cross DC pretty much killed partyfinder on Primal and Crystal, Dynamis never got started. If you like to do trials or are progressing in savage or ultimate, it gets to be very lonely, you could be spending hours away from their friends and DCs in practice and waiting for parties to fill. I think Rinon has the only real solution here, and it needs to be soon.
Sadly I am on Crystal and I almost never see PF for ultimate raids. If I do it's usually Friday and Saturday night around 11pm EST.
I miss primal so much :( it used to be such a good raiding server
As an American on Crystal I find this very frustrating. I don't want to go to Aether to raid. It's tedious, but more importantly, I don't want to feed into the bleed of players who are on Crystal, but leave for pf. Probably the same on Primal. Dynamis...is probably never gonna have an active pf. Sorry Dynamis. But I hope Crystal and Primal both have an upswing where people just draw a line in the sand an say "I want ro raid close to home". Either that, or we need a cross DC party finder/queueing system.
I think its important to keep in mind, its not "Just that simple". This game has 10+ years of development stacked ontop of itself, and making a change like this requires a lot of work to make sure it works as intended, and doesn't cause problems with all of the other associated systems in the game that are even mildly related to things like this, and because of how they structured things using Data centers without likely ever considering at the time how to communicate or pass information between these hubs, its likely a massive overhaul of a lot of the underlying systems the game is built on to change this.
I think a really good example of this that I remember a friend mentioning, I was confused why things like Glamour chests were locked to Inn rooms and couldn't be placed in player housing, it felt like a super weird design choice, but as they explained, they tried to put them into player housing, but just because of how the game is structured, it cause
a lot of problems when players started interacting with/moving them in a space those objects were never designed to deal with.
Should we be able to put those things in our house? Of course. Its silly we can't, but its just a question of resources, and how big of an improvement on the overall systems of the game is it to invest into this compared to something else?
And we can look at this as the same thing. Should we be able to use Party Finder on our home server and not be forced to travel somewhere else? Yeah, sure. It's probably a good thing if that was the case, but given the problems its solving, it feels like something that can be put off for the time being in favor of changes that impact a greater number of players, with a greater positive impact then the minor convince of not needing to take 2 minutes to transfer, and make sure you have all your supplies ready for what you're going over to do.
I think as a final counterpoint to this, when people look at the community issues something like this brought with it, I've never understood why people feel like isolating yourself to a single bubble within a game is "community". We're all playing the same game, we all share the same hobby, and I really like the fact that when I go from Crystal over to Aether to sit in PF, I get to see a whole new section of the playerbase that I wouldn't ever get to interact with otherwise. I've met a lot of friends while sitting on servers other then my own waiting for PF to fill an just killing time chatting with people who looked interesting. Some of which just decide to join me in random PF adventures to hang out, and that's pretty cool to me. \o/
Regardless of what changes they make, I feel there's always room to critique the state of the game. The more they open things up, the more people will cry out about the lost sense of community, the less open the game is, the more people will complain about the limitations of their ability to play with other people. Its impossible to make a perfect system that everyone will be happy with, and instead I think we should just focus on making the most out of the current system that we have rather then being mad that it's not perfect, because our perfect is another players worst version of the system.
One of the worst aspects of it for me has been the insanely different normal strats for fights that each DC has. I learned so many fights using Primal standard strats and if I want to join a PF to help out or reprog since it's been a while, I look like a complete idiot for not knowing that the strats are totally different.
I've been trying to reprog TEA there and it's been difficult for my muscle memory of what I learned to change.
Yup. I hate what has happened to primal. I don't think allowing aether to uncheck cross dc will work though. Then the problem will still happen and people will transfer to get the full aether list.
Aether unchecking wouldn't be a huge problem, Aether isn't really that much bigger than Primal (save for the wave of people who transferred because of PF problem in this video) and a lot of the listing on Aether right now are from Primal players who went there to list their PF
If all those Primal players were on Primal listing as cross DC it would be fine
"[Cross-world matching] isn't something that's needed, cross-data-centre is"
\*Cries in Materia with only one data-centre that feels dead\*
Things feel so dead over here... Isolated from the rest of the world and stuck in our own little bubble with a tiny population. Duty finder is all but dead, party finder is the only way to queue for certain types of content, even old content for people just going through the story, since duty support isn't available for trials and such. I've struggled to queue for some 6.X patch content! Even during the peakest time of the week that still very recent content can still take a long while to queue for. They weren't able to make moving to Materia attractive enough to pull many people from the JP servers, or even the NA servers, so there's just not enough people to keep things as lively as it should be. It's a bit of a catch-22, nobody wants to move because of the low population, but there's only a low population because nobody wants to move. Bad ping was annoying, and it's something I really like about having a DC closer to me, but I'd trade that for the option to queue with people from another region, just to be able to pug content. So from a Materia point of view, since we have no cross-data-centre, we desperately need cross-world.
When EW came out, I got tired of the 3k+ player queue on the NA servers, so I decided to temporarily play on the Material data center, mainly since the time zone difference should prevent the crazy queue. I had no idea how dead it was. For playing through the EW story, it actually was a huge plus that the DC was dead because it helped with the immersion. Being the only person on the moon and the edge of the universe was awesome. But it does suck for doing content afterwards.
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The problem is, opening up the crossworld travels killed everything.
The number of times I set up a PF and it gets filled up only by other people from my DC is getting comical at this point.
I am a static leader FULL of aether players. I make them transfer to primal to raid, when when theres only 1 or 2 primal players in the static. Its revenge for killing my dc.
As a Crystal player who is new to raiding, coming to the game right after DC travel, I feel this. I didn't even know how to travel to another DC until recently, but I still refuse to for raiding. I only travel to shop for bargains really.
@Xylus. The MB abuse is a bigger part of the problem then raiding lol
Also bet your static breaks if you make them do that
can i join your static
I remember back in shadowbringers even at like 3 am there was so many party finders going on at once, and a duty you wanted always wanted was going to have a party. Now even during prime hours there will just be a few party finders happening for extremes and savages.
Basically we were isolated on servers until cross world was released. now that we have cross dc it FEELS like we are isolated again. Not because we can't go to another place, but because if we do we lose our social functions and access to things we do in between waiting for parties to fill.
3:47 where is this whole scene from?
My main hope for anything like this is that it'd be handed in a way where Materia isn't decimated any further by players leaving. I don't expect it to ever be busy the way big data centres are, but if being on even one of the quiet NA data centres gave you access to all party finder recruitment and duty finder match making in the region I struggle to imagine OCE surviving.
If regions became the new standard for the available player pool the way data centres did when cross world was available, I'd ideally want Materia to be folded into one of the other data centres (still keeping the Sydney based physical server location since ping reduction in the entire point of having an oceania data centre). I don't know if that would be possible, but it's probably the only way materia survives cross DC pf.
Even if it's not worldwide PF and DF, it should at least be region wide. There's no reason why Chaos can't see Light PFs when they can technically see them anyway (with a lil server traveling) So there's no cultural issues as it's already been torn down in 6.1. It would fix Dynamis being dead on NA, as they will actually have PFs and content to look for now
Yeah I see no need for worldwide, who wants to deal with such high latency?
Worldwide PF would be best, but one potential compromise for the technical challenges might simply be to let folks *browse* other data centers party finders. You'd still need to travel, and maybe they could add a direct link in the search to let you do so, but it would allow folks to list PFs from their home worlds and still get access to everyone
I doubt the JP playerbase would like a worldwide PF..
@@0Zero_ There's a reason why the aussies got their own dc, lol... JP didn't want them there.
I'm on chaos because the newb buff and that's what was recommended to me on reddit (which makes me feel bamboozled now), and I just thought this was the norm.
I always chalked it up to bad timing since I usually try to PF at the end of the day or on weekends (which are different since I'm not actually from EU), and people just not wanting to play with randoms in general.
I never knew this was an actual problem.
I hope cross DC PF is a think because I simply can't switch for many reasons and honestly, I shouldn't have to.
I'm meanwhile someone who acknowledges that cross world shenanigans absolutely made savage and ultimate more accessible, and I will absolutely acknowledge that.
But I still think it was less healthy for the game overall. Guilds may as well not even exist. Community for anything other than savage and ultimate may as well not even exist.
There was also something to be said about having multiple different segregated communities in an MMO. Each of these communities having their different rules and culture was very healthy for the game, and if you didn't like the culture for your server you could just leave. Now the entirety of the community culture and rules are the same game wide, and if you don't like it, you basically have to just give up on interacting with players.
As someone on crystal... this is painful. Staring at the PF list in and of itself starts to burn me out going from group to group that only last a few pulls, while *also* not being able to distract myself between with things like the market board or FC chat.
I've been playing on chaos since mid-to-late Shadowbringers and while I did notice the PF being rather barren lately, I had no idea this was the reason! Just tried DC traveling to Light and sure enough, the PF is a lot livelier there, with multiple UWU and UCOB parties as well as progs for the current Extreme while at the same time the Chaos PF has only three parties recruiting in the High-End tab!
The only exception seems to be the 'other' tab, which is equally swamped with nightclub ads on both DC's.
One thing I can say about EU scene with everyone going to Light was mostly because Light consolidated a lot of it's resources via LPDU whereas chaos was well chaotic. Both data centres used different strats for both savages and ultimates but since Light made its resources accessible it made it the definitive way to raid especially considering in chaos if you suggested light DC strats they were frowned upon.
Is kinda wierd when chaos made those strat in world run then ppl from light takes rhe creds
yeah, the reason light became the pf'ing server is because it already was even before datacenter travel, and it was thanks to lpdu, back then chaos players had no choice but to transfer if they wanted to do ultimates in pf. Then as soon as travel was implemented their fate was sealed
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I wouldn't say Light was the main pfing server before DC travel. Before DC travel chaos had quite a few pfs up including ultimates, I helped others in uwu pf get the kill and even got a top 10 speedkill randomly in a chaos pf back in 6.1. When the DC travel happened was when it started to drift and a huge part in that is cause of LPDU, Light has different strats to chaos and if you did suggest LPDU strats in chaos back in 6.1 or before they would kick you out of the party cause they were "different" , while chaos didn't have lpdu they did have an abundant of macros and toolboxes to give to players but the issue is you'd have to find that somewhere or ask in something like the ERC.
DC travel comes around now in 6.2 and while pfs are up in chaos we start to see it die down. From the perspective of the new player if I joined a party in chaos and suggested LPDU strats I'd be kicked because the LPDU strats differ from chaos, but wait, I can now just skip on to Light, join a pf and they won't kick me because I've studied their strats. Now someone from my FC wants to raid, well I'll tell them I learnt LPDU strats so you'd have to go there as chaos won't allow it. Repeat this ad infinitum.
It's funny because LPDU has been standardised nowadays so much so chaos strats don't even exist, chaos can reasonably just start pfs and put in the description LPDU strats and people won't complain this time, like both DC's could thrive now but it's too late now...
@@GoodLosertjo yes chaos pf of course existed because people didn't have a choice, but due to how chaotic it was thanks to no consistent strats people didn't want to pf there as much and instead joined statics, so when datacenter travel was implemented there was immediately a huge shift from chaos to light just for ultimate pfs
and yeah people definitely could just use lpdu strats on chaos but now it's not anymore about standardized strats, it's about wait times.. It's funny because there are a lot of parties that fill up on light that are made up of only chaos players lmao..
@@GoodLosertjo That's what you call poetic justice. Funny how Chaos imploded on itself, truly poetic even in the name. Don't get me wrong, I think what happened to Chaos is a terrible thing, but is it surprising that the more accessible and more organised way keeps on? I just find it ironic.
Yeah I wish cross-DC travel never happened. In NA, Aether has always been the more raider-heavy DC, but I'm on Crystal and there's always been enough parties and activity to get through extremes and savages without too much trouble. Until DC-travel dropped. Now there's nothing. Like 3 parties in "High-End" during NA prime time. Go to Aether and there are 100-150. It sucks feeling forced to DC travel. It sucks not being able to use retainers or access FC house or Island Sanctuary or gather from timed nodes while waiting for your party to fill. EW will likely be the first expansion I don't finish my extreme tank mount farming before the next expansion, just because I don't want to DC travel. Obviously the solution is to have cross-DC party finder, but I'm guessing that's going to be difficult and take years to implement.
I'm also worried this issue won't get any attention since all the big streamers who get to go to media events and whatnot already play on those most-popular DCs anyway, or they have a viewer community ready to fill their party for any content, so it doesn't affect them.
They're here to kill chaos :(
Chaos killed chaos pf.
Does anybody know the ost that plays around 7:23
At the beginning of this year I could get parties on primal for high end duties and now a year later it's fucking dead which sucks because I don't want to sit in pf without being able to talk in my fc chat & shit.
This issue has trickled down to casual players too. People DC hop just to do roulettes. When people make PFs to try to do the Crystal Tower raids for the first time, which is mandatory content, because the queue times in the Duty Finder were just endless, things are really bad.
Unfortunately the only long term fix for this seems to be cross DC duty finder and party finder but that seems like it'd require a massive overhaul of their infrastructure. Considering the process you have to go through to DC travel, I imagine they just do not have the infrastructure setup to relay information seamlessly between DCs.
Don't envy them in trying to find a solution here because the obvious one is immensely costly.
"Oh! Hello, Self fulfilling prophecy that happened when alot of players went to the official forums during the sever splits and said all the good raiders went to Aether and all them crazy role players go to Crystal! How's the wife and kids?"
Thank you for making this video and raising more awareness (hopefully to SE) of this massive problem. I myself am on Chaos, where my FC is also based. For me, the issue is less about retainer access, but more about the fact that while on Light, I'm completely cut off from my entire community (Free Company). As the FC leader, it's even more important that my online time is spent socializing & communicating with my community. But since I have to travel to Light to enjoy any PF content, I may as well be "Offline" to my FC. I can't see FC chat, I can't communicate in FC chat, I can't access my FC menu or communicate with any of my friends. Everytime I play FF14 now, I have to choose: Hang out with my FC friends and do no actual raiding content OR do raiding content on Light, and basically be offline to my community. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this pain, of being forced to cut contact with my community, and for me personally is a MUCH bigger problem caused by this Light vs Chaos issue. Again, I just want to give a huge thanks to Rinon for finally bringing this to light - I desperately hope, as Rinon suggested, that Yoshi-P will find a way to introduce cross data centre party finder soon. This is really damaging my entire experience as I'm heartbroken about being ripped away from my friends, when I want to raid. I'm personally hoping that the "Cloud Based Servers" they're currently testing, will make the cross data centre PF feasible for SE, from a technical standpoint.
It's not just the High End stuff EITHER. I'm on Dynamis. If I want to even do *roulettes*, I have to Travel. If I want to do ANYTHING, I have to either Travel or hope someone checks the PF because the way we get ANYTHING done is by posting it on PF and even THAT doesn't work sometimes.
Chaos is dead?? I never noticed?
Maybe I'm just the architect of my own misery, but... I'm on Crystal. I started on Crystal and I'm not leaving it. I had my first savage tier experience in the PF on Crystal, back when it usually had a decent amount of listings. Now? "lol Crystal doesn't raid, just go to Aether". If I wanted to go to Aether, my dude, I'd have just moved there and treated this like WoW where nothing matters but what you get for yourself. So I refuse. Basically have given up on raiding, even though I very much enjoyed it, but I choose to hold Crystal to better. Here's hoping a better solution is found.
A man of culture. I will happily go down with the ship with you.
I haven’t PF’d this tier until just about a month ago but I feel like what were experiencing is just a result of the end of the xpac? Or was this happening during abyssos as well?
I just feel like when Dawntrail launches the lasts thing we’ll want to do is leave our home DC/servers
idk about all servers but chaos players started immediately travelling to light for pf when datacenter travel was implemented, it's not a player activity issue
There are really only two ways to fix this. Restrict DC travel long enough for the low pop DCs to stabilize running content there and encourage character creation and transfers to low pop DCs, or cross DC party finding/duty finding.
Cross DC party/duty finder is the only way. Everyone will just leave the DCs anyways for greener pastures when the locks are released because some datacenters will always be deemed to have a "better skilled" player base than other datacenters will.
Fully removing the walls between pf/df is really the only thing that will fix this issue as it will remove the perceived advantage of going to the "good" DC to run duties.
Data Center Travel in the way they implemented it is one of the worst things that has happened to the community at large. For the people willing to forgo a sense of home, community, and retainers, FCs, etc. it’s fine and they’ll just travel. For anyone who likes being in an FC, interacting with them, running PFs, or even just queuing in DF, the experience is exponentially worse in every regard. New players might not even realize this when queuing for dungeons and raids they unlock, getting significantly longer queue times, even when there are objectively enough players on their home DC to get fast queues, but people just travel by default when queuing.
The implementation was made with a kind heart to allow individuals to play with their friends, but the ability to host and join PFs should have been denied. It’s too late to renege on that now, so the only solution to resolve it is a region wide PF/DF. If not implemented, the servers that are already not the “main” DC will continue to die, and if people think that Dawntrail will resolve it by simply having too long of queues during launch, they are fooling themselves, as people will continue to travel by default the moment the queues are tolerable again. And the uroborus will continue.
Yeah, the reason the "just move DCs then lol" argument doesn't work for me is bc there's no way for new players to know what DC is the "right" one when they first join. I can see it having problems when newer players start to reach endgame and think that raiding is dead or unpopular bc they didn't choose Aether 50+ hours of msq ago.
new players on Dynamis are always posting on reddit about the queue times, having no idea that literally everyone and their moms are on Aether
Exactly as said. If people getting into the game for the first time choose a server that isn't on the "main" DC, they will have a bad time, think the game is dead, and could very well quit without ever knowing why it's as bad as it is. People need to be encouraged to stay on their home DCs and use a cross-DC PF/DF. What absolutely should NOT happen is what some suggest by giving more reasons to travel and stay on another DC (i.e. have use of retainers, mining nodes, while traveling). The game will improve with LESS travel, not MORE.
I would really like to see the numbers if the additional hassle having to travel DCs has an impact on how much players engage with the content.
I stay on chaos because the hunt scene is far more chill but did end up having to cave a dc hop for Golbex and man the difference was night and day, unfortunatley though I can't see us getting regionwide pf until they can create dc travel not requiring a log out beforehand so probably going to be quite the wait.
when my static is missing even one person, we sometimes just say "fuck it" and converge on aether. finding just one (1) person to fill the pf took so long on crystal lol.
Until I actually had someone to play with last year, I didn't realize how big a problem this was. I spent most of my time on Aether, and still do out of hope and habit, and I felt like I lost so much, little as it is. I can't just transfer, I have friends, memories, and FC and houses. Just feels kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't even look at Crystal's PF anymore, other than to compare how different it is-where high-end duties on Aether significantly outnumber the entirety of my DC's listings. If you love in-game nightclubs, though, you're in for a good(?) time.
praying for my boy elemental... rest in peace
its really a shame how far down it went. I am on Cerberus and some of our fc members moved to Twintania on light simply for party reasons and outside discord there is almost no communication cause half the FC spends hours sitting around on Limsa waiting for a party to fill. Its just draining and am ashamed to admit that i participate in that occasionally
This issue happened in WoW early on and NEVER recovered. Horde racial abilities were so strong in early WoW that people migrated to Horde for the racial abilities. But then everyone who raided were horde so people migrated to horde, not for the racial abilities (because only the top end cared about that) but that's where everyone was. And then years of stigma of Alliance raiding is bad, doesn't exist, and it's impossible to migrate entire guilds to Alliance.
Weird how things can snowball like that and it happens before you even noticed. And it's (almost) irreversible. I bet FFXIV could do it, though.
In the modern day it is no longer incompetence in balance, but intentional. Blizzard will flip flop between which race has better PvE and PvP racials to force mass paid transfers to different faction. Guilds genuinely expect you to pay for any services required in order to raid with them, no questions it's become that normalised. People don't have loyalty to servers or factions anymore, just the chasing of top parses and being in the big guilds.
Eh, a year or two ago Chaos was "raiding" DC, now Light is, stuff like this happens
@@ivankrizanic507 Sure things happen but that doesn't mean they have to stay this way.
>impossible to migrate entire guilds
i mean blizz could have let you just do it for free if they really wanted to fix the problem
The fact that if they don't announce Cross DC PF tomorrow I'm probably moving to light. Its so frustrating
Meanwhile I traveled from light to chaos since my static is there 😂
That's exactly why I transferred from chaos to light :( it started out simple, then every static I joined also switched to light or if I wanted to do some party finder I had to go to light... Then i found myslef spending time only on light so I decided to bite the bullet and just switch.
One of the biggest hurdles that would make ff14 cross world and cross server play to be better would be to do something the fighting game community did which is called numpad notation. When it comes to fighting games it's very difficult to understand and link combos and guides but when we all decided to link the numpad on your keyboard to directions it became universally easy to both share information and combos. Now you can just type 214C and no matter where in the world you are people will know what that motion is. To translate what I am trying to get across is that something similar would need to be implemented in FF14, but the biggest issue with that is that how would you make a system that would give all players equal knowledge without using words?
tbh i've somehow goofed my way into being a european playing on coeurl, crystal in order to play with friends, but i haven't really had much difficulty finding pfs either on coeurl. it's one of two congested worlds over on crystal, so i guess that's it? i think a way to fix it that doesn't rely on upgrading pf is honestly just to designate some servers as "supercongested" and prevent travelling, which'll inevitably force some people out onto other servers, but i can see how this goes poorly if your entire static has to travel to dynamis solely because none of you can travel to each other's worlds. but, if certain restrictions are lifted like fc buffs (maybe can't apply them but can keep them), retainers and nodes, this shouldn't be too bad either?
Ah that's why I've seen you hanging around on Odin for hours the other day. I don't think adding regional PF's would be that hard technically it's just a lot of work to implement. Light and Chaos are in the same Frankfurt Datacenter as far as I know so communication between those shouldn't be an issue physically but logically depending on how much spaghetti-code the 10+ year old DC code is.
Pros: You can go do 99% of msq on these servers when each patch drop so you don’t end up in situation where the supposedly empty place like UT is filled with players.
I don't mind travelling to light for pf as i'm not a hardcore raider so meh, but I really hope they find a solution as I wouldn't like to play on a dead server or to not see other players out and about in the world :(
If I didn't have a house, I would 100% have moved to aether already and at this point I still might. I'm holding out for dawntrail and seeing what happens or if cloud server for pf/instance content comes into play maybe
I have had a lot of pugs where everyone was a traveler now.
At least I can still do extremes on Chaos
They can just do a language option in party finder that would solve the problem.
This. I fully agree. Its a massive problem to me personally. My main character is on crystal, and i cant homeworld transfer because i have a house and an FC i would loose if i did. I find having to data center travel to play soo annoying i made an alt instead. Traveling back and forth having to constantly queue in and out inbetween is such a pain imo, it would be more barable if you could do it like world hopping from an atheryte but sadly you cant. I still play on my Crystal character, i did all crafter relics there for example in hopes i one day can actually use the character again. But for now, i raid on an alt instead of my main.
yeah it sucks. Me and my FC are on crystal and were trying to make it through the current savage (P9-P12) filling in the last 3 spots with PF and it would take hours just to have the extras die to LC1 for half the lockout. I know its a meme but raiding is dead on crystal. We spent over a month trying to get through P9 with no luck also losing a tank to burnout along the way. We transfered over to aether and cleared that week.
I transfer between Dynamis and Aether all the time. My OG server is Zalera on Crystal. It's really not as big a deal as people make, but I guess if you don't like swapping, then that's on you. I World-hop constantly for the best MB deals. It takes like 30 seconds to DC transfer and then go about my day.
@@reachinghigher4259 it depends on your specs. It does not take me just 30 seconds to DC travel. Logging in and out is taking most of the time, which being pulled out of the game, waiting for it just to log back in i personally find super unsatisfying and immersion breaking. Hopping from one world to another with the aetheryte i find less of a problem. I do that too for marketboards, to another DC i find a waste of time, normally i can make more money then i safe in the same time if i wanted to.
Unrelated, it seems like you didnt really watch the video, since its entirely about that its not lust about the travel time ^^ there is plenty of reasons why traveling is a inconvinience and just shouldnt be required to play the game.
I'm new to the game and started on Dynamis (I had no idea what I was doing). My friend started on Aether and we both noticed SIGNIFICANTLY how shorter the queue times were on Aether duty finder, and ever since then I've just been a traveler here pretty much since I started the game. I'm not a high end raider or anything (yet ;)) but having to go back to my home world across dc's just to see my retainer's inventory is pretty annoying. Also completely missing out on the free company feature, and while leveling my gatherers I have to completely go back to my home dc just to get the timed location thing. I do hope one day at the very least duty finder is region wide, although as you say that would bring with it all sorts of technical challenges and ping issues. Maybe incentivize party finder on your home dc somehow would help the issue? Who knows. Great video!
Even that looks busy as a Dynamis player. It's incredibly hard to fill groups
I feel like the new player who has no idea what DC travel is, and not knowing what each DC is representing can be a problem. Most new players don't even check TH-cam or official websites before they hop into a game. Its not expected of them either. They usually pick a server which name resonates with them, that a friend plays on, or any servers that are open and hop right in. New players will indirectly get punished if they so happen to choose a server on dead datacenter. When they queue into a MSQ trial that requires help from others players and they are waiting 30+ minutes for the queue to proc IS in fact a barrier to entry to playing the game. Being a mentor, there is a lot of sprouts queuing for extremes and are completely unaware of the party finder even existing. They are that new, and yes.. its unhealthy for the game if they can't progress smoothly. The MSQ is the game's main selling point, and it would suck to see new players stop playing because they can't even progress through it due to being completely unaware of the game's features.
DC travel can't remain the way it is right now, and it would really suck if they don't do something about it in Dawntrail. Even I felt like the game was kind of unattractive now being stuck on a DC that wasn't the chosen one for the community. Dead DCs suck, and its super bad for new players.
I play World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy XIV and they both do the same thing but in a different way.
In World of Warcraft the region wide duty finder is automatic and traveling to other 'servers' is automatic which means you can easily find players to do content with and the system is seamless for most players (i'll address the 'culture' in a bit) which means that the tech behind it does all the heavy lifting and all the player needs to do is logon and play, this is a huge benefit. However the flip side to this is that you don't get to choose what 'shard' you're on and so that can mean that you get 'phased' at inopportune moments (when you're about to harvest a node, but the boundary of the shard exceeds and as you get to the node it disappears because you swap to a different shard) which can be an intense form of frustration, and i've even seen it lately that in the middle of an event that the 'shard' changes and your progress gets reset, this sucks ass. In addition to that we also have the PING issues between the NA shards and the OCE shards (Australia) as there has been a noticeable increase in QQing from NA players that play with OCE players if they get plopped into an OCE shard / instance, and because it's automatic you don't get a choice so the frustration is high.
Now the question about 'culture' is a very interesting one because we are matched with OCE / NA / Latin America and it's almost a meme at this point that there are certain servers in LA that are extremely toxic and some high population servers in NA that are also extremely toxic and you'll find that many many people will straight up refuse to play with anyone from those servers, which is the community's way to avoid the culture difference and have an enjoyable time. I don't think that Yoshi-P's concerns about culture are warranted because the community will find a way to filter out the people they don't want to play with, and for everyone else that doesn't care they'll have a ton more people to play with. Perhaps the opt-in system would alleviate this kind of problem because the people that care about it could specify "JP DC only" or "NA DC only" and then only play with people in that region.
On the whole however, ping issues aside (which I don't know if it IS actually ping issues or if it's just Blizzard sucking at server management), I don't see any reason they can't enable full world-wide interaction via the DF, the PF or even via a travel system (As an OCE person, I miss playing with people on NA, the old Aether Hunts were just fun) and just make it an opt-in system that you have to select which regions you want to queue for, I would love to play with other regions. I think that the travel system they have would probably be the least problematic ping wise too because they should just 'copy' your character over temporarily so that should only have latency for the ones that are traveling over to the other DC (eg. if I queued in NA, I would get the latency because I am the one connecting to their Queue), so I think that their trepidation in implementing a system is honestly hurting the player base. In addition to that I don't know why they can't similarly implement a system that allows you to get mail or access retainers, but I don't see this as a major issue as you can just use the chocobo saddlebag (which I think still works) or prepare ahead of time, but I do see that it could be a minor inconvenience. I think the system on the whole is more of a benefit to the players than it is a hindrance (even if it does mean that you only have 1 DC out of the region to do PF with) and I think they should expand it more.
Actually only learned from this video that im on a dead data center (Chaos) just never really reflected on why the partyfinder always was so empty, just thought people use duty queue instead.
I'm starting to think having a house is not worth having to data center hop every time I want to do some instanced content, but i'm gonna wait and see if Dawntrail normalizes things a bit.
Dynamis in NA is an absolute ghost town. Like people just make an alt there and immediately just go to to a different DC from there.
I'm on Crystal and every week I get together with my FC to tackle thordan unreal, most of the time we don't really get the full 8 people (my FC is really casual). We often end up having to cancel because we simply can't get *ONE OR TWO PEOPLE* to fill in a reasonable amount of time.
I fully believe that we'll have region-wide PF at some point in Dawntrail. I don't see them ever not doing that and I've felt that way since DC travel was announced, but for now, the growing pain is here and it's not going to magically go away.
A posible solution for at least the inventory problem may be to make Retainers accessible, or at least their inventories.
Fortunately, I'm on crystal and it's still not TOO hard to fill a PF for something new or in high demand. I joined an Ex1 farm party yesterday and it didn't take too long to fill, but whenever I want to prog something, I basically have to DC travel to Aether unless I can convince some poor chaps in my FC to do it with me.
If they don't do world wide pf or duty finder, or even travel, I'd be happy with just DC wide duty finder/pf within the same region, like I can find parties and join them from Aether while still being in my home DC of Crystal. Would make things a lot easier when it comes to wanting to prog ults or savages and not being forced to sit in a different DC to my home dc, losing access to my retainers and such like you mentioned. Would be able to get things done while waiting for a PF to fill or something.
Would also mean I don't need to DC travel to Dynamis for raid nights anymore lol
Also here is the other issue. When Dawntrail comes out the player count is going to increase so just logging into your home server will take a minute now imagine everyone trying to go to 1 DC with influx of players...
I made an alt on Sagittarius, had the road to 80 buff. Then it went away, but a couple months later it returned. Really made me realize I’m living good with my main on Excalibur.
I think it’s a small problem, at least in NA, we have three major DC each have their unique characteristics and Dynamis full of nothingness. So if people wanna do something specific they may go to the corresponding DC, I’ve seen people from Primal and Aether in Crystal for RP and Primal and Crystal in Aether for raiding etc
i'm on Balmong and let me tell you, the tourists are the ones who give it its reputation
I don’t mind going to other data centers for endgame content. I do mind that I can’t access my retainers, farm timed nodes, benefit from my FC buffs and visit my island sanctuary.
I'm on Primal and, if I didn't have a medium house, I'd have 100% transferred to Aether by now and I think a lot of people feel the same way about housing or other social ties. At the bare minimum, they need to enable the various social aspects, retainers, firmament, and gathering nodes (this one I'm iffy on but it probably needs to happen) for characters as long as they're within the same region as their home world. I'm tired of having to go through the process of logging out of Leviathan and hopping to Aether out of boredom because we only have 3-5 PF listings going on for most of the day/night.
A quick fix for this issue is to just not let you queue content cross DC. Then all the primal people would have to queue on primal, for example. I suppose you *could* do the regional pf, but I'm not sure they would.
I don't think it's too much of a problem. I just live on the other dc. Being able to see/join a pf from another dc would be a cool idea though
I remember when I prog'd UWU in PF on light - most of my parties had like 7 of us with TRAVELLER in the name XD
I've been casually working my way through the MSQ for a couple years now (playing with friends, so our progress has been slow, but enjoyable). Now that I'm getting closer to current content (almost finished with Shadowbringers), I'm a little worried to find out about this problem.
Hope it gets fixed before I catch up!
The "under consideration" part of Yoshi-P's statement does make me pause a little, as there is a culture of "Never say 'no', always try and offer something" in Japan.
From a technical perspective, different datacenters do live in different server racks, and it's part of why you have to log out to transfer so they don't lose data from doing other things while you wait as your character data/inventory/etc. gets moved between racks instead of just within the same rack, where shorter distances = faster transfers. It doesn't completely rule it out, but would possibly mean some lengthy transfer times onto the instance server of another datacenter as well as difficulty with party chat as you wait.
I'm shocked that Chaos is so underpopulated though, being from Light! I remember some of the big raiding groups all crying "Stay on Chaos, it's the raiding DC!" back when it was due to happen (although I did wonder if this was just the run-sellers trying not to split their client base)
Guilty as charged... I always HAVE to datacenter travel, with me currently grinding out the Resistence Weapons as well as an fleeting interest in Savage Raiding. Chaos is just sorta like, dead. But I have my friends, and more importantly our FC and FC House on Chaos and frankly none of us want to permanently switch over to Light just for better queue times. We sorta just wish there was a fix to the situation, altough deep down it feels as if this is going to be how it is now and we just kinda, have to deal with it ^^'
It kinda hurts socialness for sure. Cross Data Center Servers PF would make sense but on top.
You get cut off from PMing, you get no retainers, you get to be in a isolation bubble. If it keeps up people choose the raiding scene and then the other ppl in the other data center...It'll cause a migratory just by force of, feature removal etc. by "visitation" causing them to ditch their houses potentially.
The fact this already happen prior to NA, etc. it's kinda scary.
People migrate to activity. Then they want "segregations" for their flocks like raiders, RPers etc. but forget people are in multiple group circles...so it ends up a bunch of RP/Raiders all flocking about acting uppity then they get annoyed by non-raiders run off for their raids. Their niche favorite people commonly follow and cracks social groups to the ground.
The whole "Same Mind etc." thing is annoying if you don't have money to move and have things you worked on in your home etc. You feel pinned. If you visit them over and over...you're cut from your other inventory and tasks...It's frustrating.
I Agree link the entire Comms/PF into a singular working cross instance.
I know exactly WoW had this problem too. "Empty world" And had to do "cross servers" to fill the gaps of lonely servers or fuse 2 servers into each other cause 1 was dyeing off. They're just causing the environment of separations in a very semi-social game. (It's not typically very social)
GW2 got rid of that problem with the mega server. Basically everyone is in the same shard of zone and if it overflows, another shard is made until it fills an so on an such. Then when a shard becomes underpopulated they offer to switch you with a small bonus to entice you and you end up in a more populated one.
I know their engine tech might limit them, but GW2 has the best solution to having population poroblems on servers.
yeah GW2 is split only into NA or EU and I never noticed a population difference due to the way megaservers work there
Our DC that I play on is quiet but not dead. We did a BLU lv 80 farm. Took like 30 min to fill a group of 8. But it still filled when I posted. Same with maps. I always fill. Btw, I play on JP and during the down time for JP mostly. Our DC is moderately populated and I haven't seen any Flux since the shift to DC travel.
I pretty much agree with your opinions since i as well am on EU so it makes a lot of sense for EU atleast (idk about cultural things on NA or JP ) as EU does LPDU and Light strats anyway that implementing cross region pf doesnt have any detriment and just benefits, cause then everyone on Chaos can pf and not have to dc hop to do so.
After watching this I am literally DC transferring to Aether because of the lack of PF on Primal. I do my best not to DC travel if I can help it, but when you're doing content that is old enough most people don't' do it but not so old that it is easy with enough people you need that extra pool of people to draw from or your PF will never fill in a million years.
Having cross-DC PF would massively alleviate many of these problems, and I'd imagine it would lighten the load on DC travel immensely by relegating it mostly to people traveling for venues or to hang out with friends in other DCs. However, Yoshi-P is right, it's a huge technical challenge. Seeing the cloud data center test though is a promising thing, as it means that DCs can be more virtualized and thus far easier to change between.
I really don't want to but i'll switch DC before Dawntrail. I know the servers will be full again when the expansion launches but a few months after that will have the same problems that we have now, and i don't know when the Devs will announce something regarding Duty Finder and DC fusion.
yea i hate having to swich data center for the simpelest things even extremes rarly fill whne you try to do some unless you are goint to travel
my friends and i started on dynamis and omfg i swear the entire data center is just bots. it's horrific
As an EU player I am now I am so glad to be in a NA DC. Goblin is great, ok my ping sucks at times, but on the whole it has been a great experience.
I have a separate account on Spriggan.. Sometimes with a wait queue of two hours for a dungeon is crazy!
If SquareEnix is planning on making their servers into cloud servers, having cross DC and cross region matchmaking should be entirely possible.
Everytime i go back to primal and see it's only like a couple of pf even the housing areas feels dead
primal is so dead its insane. resubbed after like 6 months and there is basically nothing on here. today as im posting this there are 13 posts total with 5 of those being actual content. i can go to aether and there'll be probably 150+ posts on high-end content alone, you basically cant do anything on primal, especially if you haven't learned any of it. unfortunately, no world (besides dynamis) on NA has a free transfer, so I'll probably not move for a while
@@tbown I would have lost my house in primal if I did transfer FC don't care cause they've been dead for so long they never touched the mansion they finished aether is probably like a las Vegas or Hollywood since most streams are there
Other than not having to dedicate a specific time window and hoping other can do the same. One of the biggest advantages of playing whit random people and not a static is that you can just leave if you are tired or frustrated. If someone cant do basic rotations or utilize there classes abilities properly and yet wants to do savage content. In PUBs you can just quietly say you have to go and levee no fuss. Meanwhile i had statics whit people who can barely play the game and i would get called an elitist for expecting the other healer to also do damage (I was one of the healers). Not to mention playing whit random means you have to actually learn the mechanics not just rely on call-outs.
It all dpeends on how this weekend goes at the keynote.
Cross Data Center Party finder, you know, one big pool of party finder party's instead of having them separated?