Macron in New Caledonia: Will surprise visit quell tensions on French Pacific island? • FRANCE 24
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- He has literally gone halfway around the world. Now what can President Emmanuel Macron do with his surprise visit to New Caledonia? Critics see deadly riots in the French Pacific island as a crisis of his government's own making, with an electoral reform that indigenous Kanaks say dilutes their voice in upcoming provincial elections. Sovereignists loyal to Paris point to longstanding residents who do not have the right to vote.
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The only fair solution is for New Caledonia to be an independent state. Conquering a people and then out-populating them in their own lands may have passed scrutiny a century ago, but not today.
😂😂😂 independent…. These guys …. lol let the French coook there or it will be a new pirate nation like Haiti there
That’s the contrary, actually. The White Caledonian French only represent less than 20% of the population, the kanaks more than 40% of the population, and the rest which is the majority ate the economic migrants from surrounding countries.
When it comes to elections and those who have the right to vote, the kanaks represent more than 87% and the whites less than 15%. In 4 referendums already the population than can vote, a majority of kanaks and a minority of whites, voted each time to stay in France, and that is because a big part of the kanak population, those who are educated or have a minimum understanding of what’s going on voted to stay in France. Democracy talked, and every time the democratic result was “we want to stay in France”. The pro independence ones don’t recognise the democratic results and they do it not only for the referendums but for everything they don’t agree with. That’s not how democracy works, the people voted and they have to accept the result even if it’s not what they wanted.
It is not only the referendums, kanaks represent more than 80% of the New Caledonian congress and government, amongst which the president and the ministers. It’s been a constant problem with these people who don’t recognise democracy.
As for the riots, it has nothing to do with the law, even when asked the rioters say nonsense and prove they don’t have any understanding of it or of the New Caledonian government and status.
For multiple years now, the New Caledonian government has had problems with this 15-25 years old kanak youth who doesn’t want to go to school, to study or to work, even though they have free education. They instead drop out of school and pass their time drinking, looting and stealing the others, and the victims are mostly kanaks who see their stuff stolen.
@brunol-p_g8800 As someone from another Melanesian country, I would strongly advise Kanaks to stay with France. If they get Independence, they'll be worse off, given they have limited resources and means of economic independence. From the perspective of a Papua New Guinean with massive resource wealth, we are still poor and most government bureaucrats are corrupt, non functioning state institutions so I believe the Kanaks will be worse off given their limited resource. At the moment their standard of living is higher and they have a higher GDP per capita.
They need to be very careful of not becoming another failed state in the Pacific and not fall for the anti France sentiment across the globe.
It's a problem around the world from Hong Kong to Kiev from Georga to Dublin young people are too easily manipulated and mobalised. Turning your democracy into a joke.
This is hypocrisy at its finest. I wonder how autochthonous people could defend themselves militarily against other big powerful nations who care far less about human rights.
Free New Caledonia ...🇳🇨🇳🇨
Ah yes, then they will let china walk-in.
Free from democracy so they can be eaten by less virtuous partners, yes go ahead 👍🏾
We have seen the brits shooting themselves in foot with brexit and now France loosing so much credibility with there colonies and partners ,now the question is how bad its gonna get .
Let my people free!!!
Australia's backyard???? Really? Stop this. Respect these people please.
so u think Kanaks get special rights ??? they are the minority
There is nothing derogatory about this descriptor. It is just a way of saying it is near Australia.
@caribxplorer4400 Colonialists cannot help but out themselves.
It's like a 90 min flight from Brisbane
@EchoBravo370 Yes, france is a country located in the backyard of the Balearic Islands.
France leave my black non Africans alone.they just want their independence.
That's not how history works
No they don't. Don't speak for them, they want autonomy but NOT independence.
Just keep your mouth shut because NewCal is not in Africa!
France is a strategic partner for India. But its sad that our values don’t align when it comes to colonialism
Explain your point
An American abolitionist one said "I could've freed more slaves, if only they knew they are slaves".
His visits would be a disaster
He's only there to continue flexing his arrogant French muscles!
everyhting Macron touches turns to
I can imagine Marine le Pen taking the same trip.. what will she say to them😂😂😂
BEHOLD, The god-Emperor of Mankind Emannuel Macron Napoleon VI!
The little Napoleon 😂
Before the crisis, he couldn't care less, let alone flying in! Thousand years ago, a small bit of France drifted to the Pacific, so it (New Caledonia) belongs to France, or is it?
Time for France to leave all of its colonies.
Yes let there be a vacuum for power so that other nations can take over, we'll see how much their rights would be respected 😂 These places need powerful nations for protection but perhaps you didn't realise that, by themselves they'd get phagocytated
@@wadi5145 what’s needed are governments that represent the people. France doesn’t have one.
@@slawekwojtowicz are you saying that the French govt doesn't provide for its people? Isn't France a Welfare state?
@@wadi5145 why do you think people in France have been protesting?
“Dave chapelle, he’ll put a hilarious and insightful spin on things”
*Disappointment*
Australia wants peace and stability in the Pacific and should be encouraged to play a role in bringing peace back to New Caledonia. It is a sad fact that many young Kanaks do not have jobs. France should pressure Australia to give several thousand young Kanaks work visas in Australia. This would be a great stabilizing program for New Caledonia and really a small step for a country like Australia that accepts hundreds of thousands immigrants every year.
Interesting concept, "Australia accept several thousand young Kanaks". what economic benefit would several thousand Kanaks deliver to Australia, when they have no education, they drink themselves into oblivion, they commit arson, murder and other crimes and then they are protected by others and it is alleged they only commit these crimes because they want independence. Why would Australia welcome such people?
Surely it is about time the Kanak tribes put their foot down on their youth and give them skills, which they would get if they finished their schooling and attended college.
France spent nearly 10 years of brutal wars with vast amount resources , millions of casualties in Vietnam in order to spread " liberty equality and fraternity " to Vietnamese. freedom is not for free , you cant ask for it or wait for your slave master to give it to you , you really have to take it yourself, especially when it is France.
'Thank you for being here'. 'Yeah'.
See😂
The France come, The war started.😂
Cut off all aid and let them fend for themselves. Come back in a couple months and they’ll be begging to be an eu member again…
But if New Caledonia became independent they would no longer get french tax payers' money for their infrastructure. How would they fill the money gap on health care, education etc?
China
They export some nickel but without the subsidies their economy would drop. Probably the main reason they don't want independence. It's mutually beneficial.
Free new Caledonia. Imperialista france go home
If President Macron is visiting New Caledonia its his prerogative.
If France wants to be a matitime power it can do so via the Kanaky Independent administration.
Land belongs to the indigenous and must be protected.
Where land is alienated it must be restored by way of long term leasehold to settlers or occupants and monetary compensation be paid to indigenous people.
If job creation is created for the indigenous people it will help to disengage them in involving in anti social behavours.
The wording of any work in progress negotiations between France and Kanaks must be such thst takes on board the Indigenous political aspirations.
The settlers and indigenous view points must be both taken on board but in my view the important thing to note is that in the African Pacific such as Papua New Guinea ( Bougainville Crises), West Papus (Indonesia), Solomon Islands ( Ethnic Tensions), and the Fijis coups lead firstly by current Fijis Prime Minister Rabuka have at the bottom of it indigenous land rights, political aspirations of the indigenous people and economic plight of the indigenous people.
Therefore president Macron policies should always take cognizance of the pacfic African political social economic and spiritual realities.
New Caledonia is not in Europe it is in the South Pacific.
To be exact in African Sourh Pacific.
Mali Burkina Faso Niger are if anything are reflections of how the Africans see experience and feel how the France have been creating the "structures" for the Africans to live undet either a hindrance or otherwise.
Yours sincerely
Samani Logara Dausabea Kaliuae Getu
Honiara
Solomon Islands
Lawyer
How can these developing nations defend themselves without France? Do you think that other powers would respect these indigenous people more? France is the land of human rights and is a far better partner than many others. Give me the name of one partner who can do what France does better
@wadi5145 they don't need France or any other European. The entitlement of euros is WILD
They should have postponed the 2021 referendum. Yet, remember that the Kanaks are politically over-represented now. Not the contrary. Many native Polynesians have lower class status with no civic rights due to this radicalism.
I hope they don't suffocate him he is too valuable
Watching from New Zealand where the media has mainly focused on NZ tourists and expats stranded in New Caledonia. Radio New Zealand has also delved into the history of colonialism in New Caledonia. Some Maori may identify with the Kanaks given the history of settler colonialism in NZ.
Wow the Sciences-Po guy is seriously delusional. The interviewer is also shockingly ignorant with his comment on the Falkland Islands as a comparison…are you kidding me ? One had no indigenous people when settled only a couple of hundred years ago by Europeans whilst Kanaky/New Caledonia has an indigenous people who have been in those islands for 3000 years !!! Maybe do some homework before talking such rubbish.
Ah the smoke & the flames. Just like a Paris protest
Slava Caledonia!
I hope they're looking for Russian spies. U.S. territories should have their votes counted too. We have non-voting representitives over there, and that is a resource that is untapped. Their opinions are very valuable to the country as a whole.
The empress has arrived.
I mean. In France any foreigner can have a path to citizenship (and voting rights) within less than a decade, not unlike what's happening in NC. If we're recognising a globalised world, that means in every aspect-and I say so as a descendant of latin american indigenous people
What's your point?
Colonists are not immigrants. Try thinking more before speaking
Is more than a vote… Caledonians want to decide that themselves not what France tells them.
@@greigger they are because they migrated in other territories, it's called emigration
@@hetty7891 are nationalised immigrants in France not French? Likewise, are nationalised immigrants in Caledonia not Caledonians?
Damn Dave Chappell you’ve aged😂
Keep him there 😂
Same French position in the Caribbean. Martinique, Guadeloupe, "french" Guyana...are under French colonial rule in 2024. All other even more smaller islands of the Caribbean are independent and souverain countries of their own.
You know st Martin ? One half is French and other half is Dutch. These thiefs are everywhere. Parasites
The time and opportunity to integrate the "Caillou" as part of France has passed and nothing remain for a chance for that. What's to be done today for the natives Kanaks to accept to remain in french republic, must be done long ago (dixit General De Gaulle about Algérie) three or two generation before, like the Americans did for the natives country's large groupings of Indigenous peoples Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, gave them large inalienable territories to rule land and opportunities related etc to make them today the richest community in United States.....
He should have visited australia while here , could of helped
Please stop over thinking the problems in New Caledonia at this time. Certainly there is a political disagreement which is being worked through the ongoing provisions of the Noumea Accords.
On the other hand, the recent arson, murder and denial of access to Noumea by criminals is a matter for the justice system and the perpetrators of these crimes need to face courts, be sentenced to prison if found guilty and serve their time for their crimes. Don't conflate the two for convenience of any party.
DAVID CHAPPEL, the not funny one.
20:33 yeah 😂
Ou sont les autres passages dans cet avion avec lui, toujour en costume et deuxième classes?
Screw the robot voice
There wouldnt be a unrest if they want to be part of france...free them....
Not accurate. They want autonomy but they don't want independence. The unrest is over a reduction of autonomy for the native population. The island's economy is heavily subsidized by France. That's why they don't want independence (they have been given that choice in the past).
@@delos2279 Why are you colonial beings so obtuse? Who voted for those referendums? It's the similar situation as Northern Ireland. Only Aboriginals should be allowed to vote in any referendum - it's that simple. The rest are the descendants of the French criminals and colonizing settlers.
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Macron 💪✝️🇪🇺
Christs deaf talking to the deaf….Hawai’i’s indigenous Ma’oli people they ALL see this as a colonial problem at origin and not geo-political….wake up !
Why doesn’t France cede these territories to China?
Because china already has more territory than it deserves
This is the battle
Wth? They don't want to join China. No country would.
New caledonia should have independence .French colonial mentality and occupation must end.
We have the same problem in Asia Pacific with English race, Australia is a in a dilemma with unfair 80% vote constitution change, where the native representative 2 to 4%.
Having a scared campaign, the native got scams.
Indigenous votes should always be at least 50 percent of the population regardless if their numbers is less than. They should have veto power to void any legislation that negatively affects their land or prosperity.
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