More Europe or else? Macron lists 'mortal' dangers ahead of EU elections • FRANCE 24 English
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- In 2017, France’s new president went to Paris's Sorbonne University to defend Europe’s strategic autonomy. Since then, there's been Covid and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Now, ahead of June's EU elections, Emmanuel Macron was back with an update.
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This was certainly not your healthiest debate lol
This is never a debate. It cannot be as long Europe including French are puppets of US.
Beats being in a war for the survival of your country just ask Ukraine.
looooooool
In France, political debates are always like that, if not worse
Spicyy
How many countries in the EU will want France to be their security guarantor? If France could defend itself, it wouldn't be a part of NATO. France has donated very little military aid to Ukraine, yet Macron had the audacity to say that the West should be open to sending troops to Ukraine. Macron and the EU can send troops to Ukraine. It doesn't have to be under NATO.
France is painfully coming to terms that they are an insignificant country with no influence in the world, now not even in Africa.
Your comment show your lack of knowledge on everything...
France ?
- The 2nd weapon supplier in the world
- The 3rd nuclear power in the world
- The only nuclear power in Europe
- The Headquarter of Airbus, the 1st or 2nd plane company in the world
- The Headquarter of The European Space Agency
- The country with the most victories in his history (google it to check)
- The country with the largest sea domain in the world (it's France or the US, don't remember)
- The country who has the most nuclear factories
- The country where the Radium has been discovered (no radium: no radiography, no nuclear bomb ...)
Should I continue ? Or maybe you want to go back to school ?...
A little professionalism please... You're adults for crying out loud.
Have you seen US politics? You are right of course. I still think it went well comparatively. 🤣
@@Perri_Redder - And yet the US is stronger than the more populous EU economically, militarily....
Right? It's toooo spicyyyyy
@@user-kq5ke5yb6k Despite our politics though, cmon he's right they're a JOKE
to call Russia a democratic hyper-power tells me something about the commenter, just not sure what
So in your mind you are practicing democracy lol 😆.
maybe that it's a 4 dimensional democracy? I have no idea ... I'm waiting for the fight to start !
8:51, 9:51 etc
What a horrible piece of guest.
Almost acting like someone is threatening her.
It's a news-discussion, it's normal if somebody interacts with you for gods sake.
Please don't invite her again France24.
Find somebody else with the same viewpoint that she stands for,
but at least somebody that understands that a conversation isn't a threath.
Oh, she is just lively. That nonsense does detract from productive conversation. Patience is a virtue. I thought the Ecology representative was very astute in considering patience. Still, have you seen US political debates? It could be *much* worse. You must admit, powerloading 3 to 5 questions before an answer can be given is not kind either. Still, a more patient person would have simply picked the best one to answer.
Agreed
100% agree
and the hypocrisy of her interrupting him afterwards, incredibly rude, will not vote for her party
And the young girl was like screaming emotionally... 😂😂😂
Dang that’s like herding cats!
👍
Russia is not an economic hyper power.
Maybe not, but they are a "hyper nuclear power" as they own the Earth's largest stockpile of THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONRY!
It's a messy debates. The moderator should limit their speeches in minutes and not jumping from different subjects.
Patricia seems to say a lot and actually saying nothing at all. Typical polletition 😂 so bad 😮 Europe and the west feels like a sinking ship.
Germany should just leave Euro and get their own local currency. Than Italy, France and Greece can play their own games together!
He’s always giving speeches but he never does anything.
typical western politics. talk no action.
@@marktrinidad7650 newsflash he is not alone in europe.... He can only pledge.
Key partner here is Germany and now even more the eastern european countries.
A good start would be to get Europe to spend more of its own GDP on its own defense and build up its own arms industry.
why build a entire industry that costs money they dont have --- the usa will sell EXCELLENT CRAP on a payment plan you simply cant refuse ---------- literally you cant refuse so dont try
France is the only country in the world after the US to have a full military industry (and of course, the only country in the EU)
Macron has actually been very forward-thinking on this one. He’s pushed a built-in-Europe defense-industrial policy for years. Unfortunately, most other European states-most conspicuously Germany and Poland-are still perfectly happy to buy American (and now Korean).
I’m on Macron’s side of this debate, personally. The U.S. isn’t a reliable partner any longer. The MAGA wing has repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to abandon America’s allies at the slightest inconvenience. Europe needs to rely on itself.
you gotta love how easy it is to figure out who is under putin's thumb... it's easier than finding waldo.
Also, the lady that wants appeasement, go back to school and learn what happened between WW1 and WW2
Europe needs to rearm and stock up.
Difficult guest, there. 😮
Ukraine needs its arms, and unkowningly arguing their citizens should fight street to street as under-equipped militias in an entirely occupied ukraine is offensive. They need help, not abandonment in the guise of goodness.
What are you doing on social media then 🤔, seating on your comfort zone and talking rubbish.
you guys talk like ukraine is french land. I know napoleon was there but that was long ago
I wish these speeches were not from a podium in France, but from a meeting of heads of state.
or at the very least coming from thinking heads of something
Good point!
These women won't let the guy speak and won't let anyone interrupt them
Funny to hear the 3 main political parties of France arguing in English lol
In all fairness, this is the English language version of France 24...
Yeah, "very funny". Wtf.
Don't worry, you'll soon be arguing with your fellow countrymen in Spanish.
@@pio4362 Dream on buddy. One of the first things immigrants do when they come to the US is learn as much English as they can and encourage their children to learn it as well, because if they don't, they know their kids will be joining them out in the fields picking tomatoes as well.
In fact, most 2nd generations often forget their parents mother tongue or never learnt it in the first place, even at home....
I like this debate for the diverse opinions. However, the manner here is far off. The Host should not allow someone who is louder ruder getting more opportunities and time. My opinion is biggest problems here is low productivity. Europeans need to change their culture or allow massive deregulation on ai and let automation help reduce the dependency on the other part of the world.
You make an excellent point with respect to EU productivity, and you also make a fine observation with respect to the management of the guests of the debate.
Tell me then, which continent is the one making the dodgy Boeing 737 Max planes? That's right, America. Be careful in your rush for "productivity", you might just put passengers lives in danger.
@@evaburnzThank you for the comment. Perhaps as an outsider I can view the issues here with a neutral position. I found the public here and the leads in the autocratic world don’t like the ugly truth, somehow kind of spoiled. No pay no gain, long term or short term interests you cannot have both of them. What people proud of here are brilliant and meanwhile not business friendly, except bureaucracy all should not be changed. However AI adoption can help to leverage the high cost here but also bring the risk of abuse…
What a horrible guest this lady keeps demanding to speak when she just finished 😂. Francois keep ur guests in line man these kind of guests just walk over you
Can somebody next time remind these ladies they are coming for a DEBATE, not an interview or a press briefing. They need to be able to handle a little back and forth without being offended every 5 minutes.
Le Pen called far right again by F24. You have to be pretty far to the left of center when you call traditional conservative parties ‘far right’.
Mate, National Rally has been considered far-right since Le Pen’s dad claimed Frenchmen didn’t participate in the Holocaust (spoiler: quite a few did). This ain’t new. You need better media.
Very strange how an MEP won’t directly address any policy stances
Macron has created his own version of MAGA… kind of a MEGA Europe First policy. Im all for it, as an American tax payer i look forward to Europeans paying for their own national security.
yes eu should buy weapons fom eu and generate military defense jobs in eu
@@handle-changed i agree 100%
Interesting to hear them repeatedly say things like "against the likes of the United States and China." I thought Europe and the United States were on the same team. They make it sound like three opposing blocks.
This was the most chaotic debate yet. I started watching f24 debate a few months ago. If this was my first time watching, I wouldn't be watching again.
The host has so much patience. It's like trying to hurd cats
François earning his pay tonight! 😀
That guy interrupting is garbage typical move when they dont want the truth to be said 😂😂😂😂😂 he has no backbone and a puppet
Media is paid for now
I thought I was going to watch a sensible debate by sensible people ! All I heard were a bunch of kindergarten kids squabbling ! ! What a waste of time . I hope none of these peanuts have any positions of power my goodness 😫 😩 😐
As an American with no horse in this race, I must say, I find the utter breakdown in decorum here to be reassuring and refreshing. I thought only American political debates degenerate into verbal sparing and shouting matches. I feel so much better now. 😟
Unbearable to listen to interuptions of interuptions
poor man he almost cannot even end one sentence. More gender balanced could maybe solve this. Still so many narrow minds not understanding bigger geopolitical context still thinking individual European countries can compete with china ad usa and occupy their minds with marginal not crucial questions and challenges ....
I made it 18 minutes in, but I can't listen to this anymore.
This was unproductive discussion, just each person believing in what he/she/party believes and wants a position in politics and as a EU rep.
Very unpleasant debate to watch.
The MEP woman was very aggressive and the young man could have refrained from interrupting her…
These politicians have to change their behavior…
I wish the journalist would have been a bit stronger with them and remind them that this debate is for the benefit of viewer!
I stopped watching…
That Clevers lady is so nice! What a great conversationist! 😆
Can't believe how arrogant the lady is @15:41. She scoffs at the idea that people should own their own cars. She advocates government transportation.
Why are socialists always trying to control how people live?
Parricia, Econs 101- nations and its citizens GAIN from free trade. Have you not heard of Comparative Advantage and the reality that not all countries are well-endowed with natural resources??
If Russia is an economic hyper power does that make the state of Texas also an economic hyper power? Texas' GDP is bigger.
"We buy weapons from outside europe". Where did yoy buy weapons from? You do not even dare to say that you buy weapons from the US. How spineless
Wow, the first time I heard the label “far left” after egregious amounts of “far right” slander. Kudos on a slight movement in the right direction.
I think he's very good at strategic ambiguities. I can never quite get what his intentions are, but he generally avoids offending too much.
And nobody mentioning that eu parliament office is full of americans.
It showed how hypocritical are the European politicians and decision makers
Is that the worst F24 debate ever?
Ok, who's going to enroll at that military academy? Europe can hardly find students for ordinary universities, if it wasn't for foreign students half of European universities had to shut down! EU must understand that cannot have everything at the same time!
What a useless discussion. It would have been a better to invite political analysts to assess Macron's speech, not these bickering politicians.
EU a mess because it has some weird country union of blobs making more regulations and arguments then getting anything done..
Ukraine 🇺🇦 gave up its nuclear weapons according to the Minsk Agreement. The Russian Federation broke that agreement. Therefore, the EU should replace those nuclear weapons with similar ones to Ukraine.
France is not even among the 7 top helpers of Ukraine for a country that is making sooooooo much noise about Europe and its military autonomy.
I think I'll skip this one, can't even listen with them all talking over each other
The mortal danger is if the current sets in the EU Commission and EU Council remain. That would mean continued malfeasance and will spell the end of the EU and Europe.
Nah the people in this comment section are wrong, this was one of the healthier and better debates. Diverse opinions and strong opponets. No one wants a "why yes I agree to disagree"
A debate shouldnt have name calling but should be nasty in the sense that two sides are back and forthing.
Less EU is better, much less EU! In the early 1960's Charles de Gaulle made it clear to British PM Harold McMillan that he did not want a federal state! He wanted to preserve that diversity that could be found in European countries!
Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité.
Patricia Chevlers is really uptight - is she aware of her optics toward her demeanor? Rhetorical question
Europe's health system has collapsed, and EU politicians are not concerned about people losing their lives #RIP
WELL DONE!
Good lively debate in ENGLISH for french TV and country and ongoing and very excellent achievement to have news in english also, great topic on this show, and very good points and arguments brought up by participants,
-tibor
Good Morning from Denmark , This really made me enjoing my coffee smiling ... waving to all.
France lost its neo colonials in Afrika, and they are fighting with the sole provider of commodities namely Russia. I guess he is nervous since he realized France has nothing left...
Macron has taken the leadership of Europe in the absence of Germany. 🇬🇧🇫🇷👍 As a Brit I welcome this and hope Britain will help.
Macron has a point. Giving Russia and China access to European markets has to be the biggest blunder post WW2.
Charles and Sybille are a disaster
EU is in the thumbprint of US
I love how EU leaders keep talking about stopping climate change, yet they seem to not give a s*it about Romania aggressively and illegally being deforested by Austrian companies, as if the environment somehow has borders and others are not affected by it.
Yeah but its all bs. So they cut down trees in the US, then they are turned in wood snippers and sent by boat to Europe where they are burnt for energy. This is considered environmental friendly by the EU. It makes zero sense.
Great show today. Thanks Francois. 🎥
wow. this was was a mess.
I think their English speaking accents given they alll probably speak French at home is intriguing.
When I turn in French news I expect an adorable accent like the socialist
Nice to hear that the plans of the Hindus, Chinese and Russians are working well.
My key take away, is that Charles Rodwell is rude, obnoxious, and doesn't listen.
The game is on
What if say tax the wealthy people? Do you think they are not taxed enough? What if we all think rational. Who do you think will invest in something who has chance to success 1%? George Westinghouse etc...
What is a hyperpower except a term to make non-superpowers feel special? We didnt subsidize the internet or advertising. We let wealth accumulate and are benefiting from deep pockets looking for places to invest. We subsidize oil whereas EU subsidizes food; one is needed by people, the other by the economy. To stimulate the economy, create a surplus of the raw inputs. We created a surplus of capital following a surplus of energy and infrastructure. Im actually starting to see why we aren't funding education more; EU does but without support for business, whats it really worth?
The comment about Brussels dictating solutions for all countries to follow does cause enormous problems. Different countries have different infrastructures and different ways of working. There needs to be autonomy within countries with working practices that just follow a broad directive around policies. Micro managing does not work.
Macron is not my passion. But he is absolutly right in this time.
Agree with a lot of what he says, but don't agree with how he engages with 'partners' or really his actions (or lack thereof). I'm not sure exactly what he wants.
That's what the EU council is for, he is speaking to the French people here (mostly)
I was surprised to see people arguing for negotiations with Putin. Negotiations, if they could achieve what these people envision, would give Putin the Ukrainian territory his military has taken. Negotiations would reward Putin.
The idea that French forces would fight in Ukraine seems to be going in the right direction. That is only a suggestion at the moment, but Europe needs to think about what Putin's invasion of Ukraine means for Europe.
What a joke!
Mr. Charlie very polity and explained very well what have been asked.
Instead of only interrupting others participants all the time and name-calling others. Like other participants have done.
Make Europe great again
The hosts constant interrupting and attempting entrapment is rather hostile. Almost as bad as the host of Conflict Zone on DW, is this standard for Euro News?
What a circus
Macron is right
About what? Strategic Autonomy? Because what the lady said about Macron being a hypocrite is correct. France is #17 in Europe for aid given to Ukraine. For a man that claims to be autonomous and tough on Putin, he surely isn't showing it but with words
He most certainly is not totally wrong, nor is he totally right.
The EU should be responsible for its own security and have an alliance with Britain, the US, Canada, and Turkey.
yay! longer debate with our old buddy
Long live a united and sovereign European Union! Proud of being a EU citizen!
i am sure importing Africa has nothing to do with it
France has lots of debts, if Macron isn’t against Russia, then US won’t give him money 😅
Also very interesting how only one of you're Four guests seems to be French 🤔
Love how arrogant Macron is when highlighting how Europe has delegated its security to the US, but of course, not France....Arrogance without the balls to call out any particular EU partner....
BTW, as an English language teacher and Cambridge/IELTS examiner, I am always humbled and appreciative when non-native speakers speak English, especially the French since their language is so beautiful. I know it's not easy to express yourself as clearly and articulate in a language that is not your own. Respect.
Who asked if you were an english teacher?
@@jakel8627 I was providing a little background in the comment. Who asked you to leave a snarky comment with no value to the conversation? What are you another Russian Troll bot?
@@jakel8627Nobody has to ask. This is the intertubes. People can volunteer whatever information they want about themselves, and often do to enhance the apparent credibility of their statements even if readers have no way to verify the identity of that person or the accuracy of that information.
You seem angry.
France has the largest army in Europe the only real nuclear power has has complete energy independence this the complete opposite with other “major powers” UK and Germany
It's nothing but a money racket for US defence contractors as is, taking money out of Europe when it could easily stay here, if Europeans could grow up and stop living in a bubble protected by Uncle Sam. France has been a military power in Europe since the Romans were sent packing, of course they're going to be highly involved.
Honestly and this point we need a frenchman as eu president. They the only one with a healthy mindset regarding our position in the world.
The lack of strategic oversight here in germany and the rest of the eu is leading us straight into the abyss.
Also we gonna need to care about putins puppy Orban.
Make europe great again!
Patricia and the other detractor, 1. France is only a price-taker in commodity import prices, AS high energy prices are externally set!. 2. What nonsense and wishful thinking for wanting less integration/ more independence among EU nations!! If you don't have solid cooperation now, what can you expect with 27 independent nations- A FREE FOR ALL!
French pundits have picked up the bad habits of US pundits. All that bickering and petty scolding.
I like Macron's speeches. Europe needs to be strong 🇪🇺🚀
Rodwell's insufferable. Skipping this episode.
Macron is right.
We need to be less dependent on US, we need if not one army, but for sure armies which train together regularly.
And we need weapon made in EU!!!
Otherwise during the war our suppliers can say, sorry guys delivery will be late one year ;)
So You like him or not he talks sence.
Regards from Poland.
Kids! Order! don't let me go in there