Hey didn't you say you would put a link to a vid about getting games on Xenia? As a 360 kid who never got to experience a lot of the golden 360 games I desperately want to emulate some of them especially the couple ones I did play
Actually not all littlebigplanet levels are lost! About a while ago some guy published all LBP levels from 2008 all the way up to 2023 February which means the majority of all levels have been archived (chances are your levels are there!)
It's embarrasing that the PS5 cannot run PS3 games natively at this point. The fact that they charge you $160 a year to STREAM PS3 games is insane. So glad I switched to PC
Thats because the PS3's Hardware is Completely different from both Modern Hardware and the Hardware that came out at the Time of the PS3 and 360. Not defending Sony. This was one of their paranoid anti-piracy Measures. I switched to PC because I saw the Writing on the wall with PS4 and Xbox One The PS3 used an Outdated, for even the Time, Cell Processor from the 80s slapped on the Same Nvidia Graphics Solution as the 360. That Cell Processor is is why it took so long for RPCS3 to get good, though its still Leagues of ahead of Xenia. The reason the Fat PS3s could play ps2 is because that PS3 had the PS2 Motherboard built into it's Motherboard.
@@jeja6801 Money it takes more time or they been working on tryna make more AAA games for ps5 than playing old gen games which obviously make more money ?
@@jeja6801 Emulating ps3 games on a console with a cpu that is essentially a ryzen 5 3600 is a tall order. Some games could work really well but good ps3 emulation typically requires a more powerful cpu in many first party games.
@@jeja6801 Money, basically. These guys have been 14 years emulating the PS3 and at this point, only 70% of those games are playable. What would happen if Sony released a faulty emulator? They have to release a perfect one, and it won't be free, at all, considering how hard it is to emulate PS3.
It’s just the one u were a kid for … anyone feels that way about an era But also I will say this was one of the first eras for content creation so there’s that
i discovered just 2 days ago this emulator but games like gran turismo 5 dosen't run much smoot, i just have to set better the emulator setting or in some games gives some problem?
EDIT: I removed the mention of not emulating PS1 games because I was incorrect and internet weirdos were getting their vending machine used panties in a twist. The thing I don't understand about PS3s not being able to emulate the PS2 games is that they literally could. I have one of the few that were sold... It frustrates me so much that they claim that backwards compatibility is "something nobody wants" while also charging us a subscription for the privilege of it.
All ps3’s have full ps1 backwards compatibility, but only the original 60gb or 20gb ps3 have native ps2 backwards compatibility, some ps3 models used emulation for ps2 games but after the slim they removed hard emulation entirely.
@@Trapgranny64 It wasn't with the slim that compatibility was removed. The first version of the PS4 was 20gb and 60gb. Those literally had the PS2 component inside both GPU and CPU. Then they had a 80gb version that had the PS2 CPU but emulated the GPU. Compatibility went from 99.9% to like 95%.. Then came the 3rd revision that was still a 80gb fat ps3 but the PS2 components were completely gone. The Slim model came with the 4th version. 5th version is the one with the sliding door on the disc drive.
Lots of misinformation in this thread. All PS3's emulate PS1 games, albeit very well. The OG 60GB model (CECHA01) came with the PS2 GPU, the Graphics Synthesizer, AND the PS2 CPU, the Emotion Engine in combination with RAMBUS memory. Whereas later models (starting with the PAL 60GB release, CECHC01) dropped the CPU in favor of software emulation, but still using the PS2's original GPU that used fixed function hardware (like the fog in GTA:SA or games that used field rendering). That said, the sentiment of the original poster is entirely correct because all PS3s are able to emulate PS2 games through the PS2 Classics emulator, something you can leverage by jailbreaking your PS3 (and there are even patches for games available to make them work better), Sony could have easily done it themselves. Even more so on PS4/PS5 where the situation is the same, and the hardware is more than fast enough, but over time Sony's interest became lower and lower which you can see by comparing compatibility of the emulator used for Classics on the PS3 and PS4/5. The state of Classics is abysmal too, where in Europe you get PAL games running in a 60hz container and stuff like that. The same can't be said for PS3 emulation as you need quite some beefy CPU power to achieve that. In fact, we're not entirely there yet in terms of CPU performance for emulating the SPEs of the Cell chip and many games still struggle to get stable frame rates because of it. I have a 12900K that is able to run AVX512, which is the best possible CPU for PS3 emulation and it still struggles. The Zen 2 cores in the PS5 are certainly not fast enough to do this as well, especially since they lack AVX512 compatibility. Even if Sony wanted to achieve it, they could only do it in a smaller subset of games that don't leverage the SPEs as much. But it was mostly Sony first party titles that were putting the Cell to it's full use and so we don't see much interest.
Unbelievable. I tried out Xenia on this Aspire 3 15... literally cost me $220CAD for this laptop new. 8GB RAM total shared with the GPU... Ryzen 3 7000 series and it ran Bioshock great!
@@MoonOvIce It is for all intents and purpsose an actual xbox 360 game. You are emulating the xbox 360 version of the game. Doesn't matter if it's available on PC.
@@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737 Yeah sure. But Buoshock came from a PC-first developer. It also came out at a time that most/all console ports had X-input controller support for Xbox controllers, besides performing better and looking better than the 360 and PS3 versions. The newer versions are even better. So I just find it weird having to waste system resources to emulate it and then run a version of it that runs at 30fps with vsync or 60fps without. If it was one of those games in the 2000's where the PC version was a lost cause, I would understand. But I would assume emulation would be more about playing games that either aren't actually available on PC or the version is terrible/worse/hard to run.
Yeah I am waiting ps4 emulator to be polished because I cant play uncharted or infamous getting like 15-30 fps on rpcs3 it gives me motion sickness, ps4 emulator is gonna be way optimized than rpcs 3 in the future
BB is a hassle to set up and is really unstable right now, but once you get it working it’s like a dream. Can’t wait for the process to be more streamline and for more people to enjoy bloodborne.
The big console companies(Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony) are mad about emulators because the emulator community is doing things they can't be arsed to do themselves. Also, fun little fact: You can connect your official PS3 DS3 to your computer to use with RPCS3, with full button support for that truly authentic experience.
@@pedro.alcatra You’ll need to download and install specific driver software to allow your PC to recognize and configure the PS3 controller. SCPToolkit is a start, and what I used. But once you have that, all you have to do is use a wired USB connector for the DS3 and connect it to your computer. After a moment your computer will recognize the controller just like how the PS3 used to do, and presto, all set. Disconnect the controller and press the PS button and it will automatically connect to the PCs bluetooth and be ready to go. In the driver software you can configure it to function with full PS3 support, including pressure sensitive buttons(RPCS3 and PCSX2 will accept this configuration natively) or as an XInput control device(for everything else as not everything can understand native PS3 control inputs).
@@pedro.alcatraPs3 controllers use bluetooth to transmit there signals. So anything that can receive bluetooth signals can learn how to interpret those signals.
@@darthwoody9917 I know about the Bluetooth. But it usually don't work that way. The same way Xbox controller have Bluetooth and 2,4Ghz WiFi. But if you want to use the 2,4ghz band on your pc you need a dongle. Even if my desktop literally has an WiFi 7 card disabled because I use a wired connection. The handshake and other stuff on proprietary hardware may differ. Like can we use PS3 controller thru Bluetooth on other apps on PC that isn't the emulator?
right?, Xenia canary is MUCH better than Rpcs3, i played RDR and Gears of War trilogy on XC, and performance was great, Rpcs3 performance is all over the place, thankfully Lossless Scaling exists to make things smoother
@@carposp7789It's still too bare bones. I wouldn't say it's better than RPCS3. There are too many ps3 games fully playable at over 60fps to mention. Many of them fully playable since 2017/2018, it's insane. Xenia is only getting there and the UI and other features are almost non-existent.
@@carposp7789 You literally played 4 games on Xenia Canary and then decided it was better than RPCS3 as a whole. I could cherry-pick 4 games from RPCS3 that performed well and say that it's much better than Xenia Canary. Whether one is "better" than the other is case-dependent. For example, RDR runs fine for me on RPCS3, but I had horrible luck on Xenia. On the flipside, Midnight Club: Los Angeles wouldn't even boot on RPCS3 for me, but I was able to complete the game on Xenia.
I'm 45yo and I have never seen, much less played, a xbox. Its funny to realise that. I have never seen a real xbox. No matter the generation. Yet I have a Atari, a NES, a Genesis, PSP, a Vita and a PS3.
@@jakeplayzyt5220 I just meant to say I've been around consoles for a long time and its really funny I know nobody that own a xbox. The only time I say the xbox UI was when I saw the awesome memes about people roasting each other's mother.
@@rubbersoul420 I know, he’s missing a lot of stuff, like halo and gears of war and various other amazing games, he really should try an Xbox, maybe a 360.
This is probably the best , cleanest emulation video on TH-cam. I hope this goes straight to the top search results. Keep it up Jeff , you’re killing it.
I'm not corporal but, nowadays games take millions of bucks to make cause the developers' salaries it up in the 230k plus if they hire high-profile celebrities to voice that's also 7 figures plus blah, blah. So that's why plus in today's climate you gotta Insert politics in it as well bc of Big Brother govt pushing agendas that take a lot of marketing budget.
@@Tonka-r6e Did the same. The E3 press conference's killed the momentum for Xbox for me, especially when Xbox One's E3 was all about media streaming etc. & nothing about games. I got a PS4 back then because my schoolmates all said at the time they were going that route, but nah they stuck to Xbox, and I moved to PC & been here since!
It's amazing that even now, after putting in the staggering amount of work that it takes to get an emulator working, devs will put literally zero effort into a front end or consider usability.
It's because some devs that are like gods in emulation don't have any experience in making frontends. So, you either have to rely on a "third-party" frontend or learn how to read config files (lol)
@@frayans Or just not bother to use the emulator until it's finished. Sorry but in this year of our lord 2024, a piece of software without some sort of GUI is not finished.
creating and maintaining a frontend with a developing backend is a lot of double work. The speed of development while keeping the frontend 'beautiful' isn't an easy task. Also, after a few years of emulation you will want to reach for a custom frontend (that services all your games like ES-DE). My hope is all these emulators eventually will be ported as cores into something like RetroArch where we have a unified frontend
I just want to let you know that I subscribed to you because you lay off the usual TH-cam tropes. A breath of fresh air. And now I’m getting more into modern emulation because of you. Damnit, Jeff.
As someone whose favourite console of all time is the PS3, it is an absolute joy to see how far the emulation has come. I’m gonna have to spend some of my weekend dumping some games and reliving old memories
god your channel is so under rated...i don't claim fav channels often but this is def one of them take ur time on these videos. they are always bangers
Seeing how easy it is to get PS3 firmware from this just made me full send on getting RPCS3 set up, and I can finally play Demon's Souls classic without wanting to pull my hair out. Thank you for the video!
I’ve been thinking of playing the Banjo games through that for a while since they were the best versions. Any experience with those? Do they run well or are they buggy?
@@MerryBlindI haven't finished them or gotten too far, but they are perfect. Now the 360 exclusive one, I tried it only once and it didn't work but yeah, haven't checked the last few months.
Great video. I have been getting into the scene over the past year and it is truly amazing what these communities have been doing. People just want to play good old games.
Sony and ms have no interest in backwards compatibility they want you paying for their services and playing games they can properly monetize. Good thing we got emulation but we got to step outside of the current gaming ecosystem.
I only play single player games once, when the credit rolls I move to other games. I prefer remasters and remakes of these games because they will run well on the new hardwares. Sahder caching is not great for me because the games will stutter.
Wrong 😂 Microsoft is expanding its backlog of Backwards compatibility on Newer Consoles. They have announced it in March April, some 3rd party developers are choosing to remaster games instead of renewing licenses so that is what’s holding backwards compatibility back.
Wrong MS does care and has a very good backwards compatibility program. And is constantly adding more titles to the list as they work out licensing deals with old publishers.
Sony is finally making backwards compatibility availability. but it may take a while as the emulator they are using & making is still relativity early and they have Ps2 & PS3 Dev from the emulation scene to create and port games to this emulator Sony has baking. Microsoft doesn’t fully need to create an emulator as everything is in house. But it’s up to 3rd party dev to make games back wards compatibility as MICROSOFT HAS ALL THEIR First Party Games Available.
This is incredible. Mainly Xbox Xenia has blown me away as I have been wanting to play certain old Xbox 360 games that are no longer available since the store shutdown and were never made backwards compatible with the series X. I had no idea they finally made a an actual UI for it and made it much easier to configure and setup games. I can't wait to try this out. Great Video by the way!
This is the first video I've seen from you, and aside from the high quality of your content, I just want to mention I absolutely love the wholesome aura in your video and I love hearing you talk! One of the easiest subs.
I played around with RPCS3 for a while and completed Killzone HD and Resistance 1, great emulator when it works. But the amount of problems with game crashes, weird graphics issues, low frames and all the custom configs you need to do on some games made me just go out and bought a PS3. Save the hassle :P
bro was 10 years old in 2008 already? damn, bro must be too old to be excited about most of the stuff but still is! that's dedication right there and I love it.
one of my favourite peripheral preservations is tony hawk ride/shred on rpcs3. for years these games were entirely unplayable due to the skateboard controller being required to play both. in ~mid 2023, some work was done to get the skateboard controller input working with both games and now it works flawlessly (or at least as good as the original games worked)
21:30 I remember that statement. Again, boomer execs being absolutely out of touch with the gaming communities, always trying to push their "CONSOOM NEW PRODUCT, NAO!!" narrative, that treats games as disposable products you shouldn't invest time to and replay endlessly. Full backwards compatibiity was THE selling point of both PS2 and PS3 consoles, something gamers AND their parents were overjoyed. Remember the SNES announcement controversy, how older folks were furious that those hundreds of bucks worth of NES games no longer would work on the new hardware? Yeah, many do not, clearly.
I enjoyed this video so much! Thanks for letting me know about Xenia Manager. I also love LBP and many other Playstation exclusives! I never thought I'd be able to play them all on PC! Thank you to all the nerds out there that made it possible!
7th gen games where the best. Most of the big AAA gaming companies aren't making the games they use too. They're too worried about pleasing a small minority of very vocal idiots to make good games anymore. Now they either release the game in a unfinished state and let the people that buy the game find the bugs with the pre-orders. Then they can push a massive day one patch that's suppose to make it somewhat passable as a finished game. Or they make it so unbearably obvious that they're pushing a DEI agenda. That overshadows any positives and it ends up like concord... My advice to the gaming industry. Go back to what worked, i.e. making games for gamers not activist. Like it or not, the vast majority of gamers are straight males.
Im not even sure if its him being "cute" anymore seeing how he constantly bastardizes any word you has the hard "u" sound in it. He may have some kind of speech impediment. In which case, fair enough.
RPCS3 runs really well on the Deck Not sure about something heavy like MGS4 and Uncharted, but stuff like Tekken 6, Tag 2 and Dante's Inferno runs just fine
PC. Deck can do maybe half of them at fullspeed Ally can do most of the PS3 library well but overall the Deck isnt strong enough for the more demanding games
@ZimpanX I wanna play Anime and JRPGs PS3 games tbh. As for Xbox 360, I wish the Deck supported the Xbox app - then we could download xbox x series/one/360 games.
@@KaiserSenpai420 What anime games are you thinking about that are on PS3 that didn't get a PC release? (genuinely curious) I agree with you fully that the excellent emulators that Microsoft have developed should also be available on PC and not require a modern Xbox.
Great video. Probably the most entertaining and professional product placement I ever seen. I almost feel like selling my more than capable Lenovo Legion laptop and get this Tongfang-based laptop.
@@DecibelAlex games have been playable for years. Had this setup on my Xbox series x as well. No ui improvement, no Xbli improvement, all they've done is fix a few games that need some improvement that already ran if you knew what to do.
@@BigBossLebowski have a look at the changelogs. there's at least one update every week addressing issues and improving performance at least since 2019, sometimes several updates per day. if it wasn't for that you would've never had it on your xbox series x
have a look at the changelogs. there's at least one update every week, sometimes several per day at least since 2019, addressing issues and improving performance so we don't need a supercomputer to play our games. if it wasn't for that you would've never had it on your series x
15:56 I was so mad they killed PShome when it went down. I may have my data still on a HDD... will have to look. But it was a really neat feature of the Era thatI really wish Sony would have kept around.... imagine PShome in VR?!?! That would have been some next level "Ready Player 1" shit right there!!! .....and they were so close then And now all the Live Service games... PS Home could have been a true hub for all of that
i’m honestly so incredibly impressed with rpcs3. i admittedly don’t check in and mess around with xenia nearly as much but it feels like the progress of rpcs3 is on another level to any other emulator. being able to emulate games as relatively recent as ps3 games on my pretty mid computer is surreal
broooooo i saw the demo cliffy did on e3 for gears of war 2 and i saw it with hi frame rate didnt know for years why it look so good why the xbox version didnt look as good the e3 version demo gears of war pc and gears of war 2 made me a pc gamer now i cn enjoy this game in over 60 fps all gears of war games need to be ported to pc
If you already have the games is 1 thing, but I can't recommend breaking the bank on collecting. Finding the space for all the physical media and keeping it pristine is another problem
As soon as I saw you can play MGS4 on RPCS3. I bought a gaming laptop for emulation. The PC emulation community is fantastic, I was playing all my childhood games on PS2 and found many mods for improved graphics and gameplay for various titles.
Man looking at LBP as yet another IP sony could easily make money off but ignore. Remake the trilogy with todays technology for PC also and theyd make $$$.
You can tell RPCS3 to not compile PPU on the start, it'll compile the modules when needed. Makes MGS4 start like in seconds instead. Ratchet & Clank games also freeze often.
With those specs, if a game doesn't run then it's not because your PC is not good enough but instead the emulator just doesn't run that game well. I have a Windows PC handheld similar to a Steamdeck as well as a big PC. My handheld runs Cyberpunk in 720p low setting at 50-60fps. On my PC I run it in 1080p high with some ray tracing at 90-100fps. That's a huge gap between both PC but The Last of Us runs like crap on PCSX3 on both computers. 10-20fps and visual glitches. With that game it's not about how powerful the computer is but how compatible the emulator is.
The way you say community is really bothering to me (too much I know) And English is my second language (🇮🇱) so it’s odd Anyway your content is awesome and that is the most important thing
Sony always did backwards compatibility the best, I was sad to hear it wouldn't be coming to the PS4. They would go so far as to include the physical chips needed to make it happen, but I think they figured out with the PS3 the added cost just isn't worth it. I still wish they at least gave the option, like have a model with and without.
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Lmk if you want a video on the anime waifu phone, this thing is pure comedy gold lmao
Oh also check out the laptop here!: bit.ly/3XfNw9Z
Yes please lmao
PS3! PS3! PS3! PS3! I grew up with it as well, would love to see a video
why do you pronounce the word "community" like that?
nope i would rather get a msi that has 4080 rtx 4tb 32gb and i9 for 2.800 pounds laptop
Hey didn't you say you would put a link to a vid about getting games on Xenia? As a 360 kid who never got to experience a lot of the golden 360 games I desperately want to emulate some of them especially the couple ones I did play
Actually not all littlebigplanet levels are lost! About a while ago some guy published all LBP levels from 2008 all the way up to 2023 February which means the majority of all levels have been archived (chances are your levels are there!)
I need one of those shark attack levels😂
Holy SHIT
Is there anymore info about this?? I’d love to check this out. Maybe my levels are still there 🥲
There’s no way, that sounds like an ungodly amount of levels
I really hope this is true. If I get to go back and play my levels I will shit a brick.
@drpepiman just search up "littlebigplanet archive" and you will find a full archive full of levels
@@DammitJeffyou can try on custom private servers as they use the archives levels I think
It's embarrasing that the PS5 cannot run PS3 games natively at this point. The fact that they charge you $160 a year to STREAM PS3 games is insane. So glad I switched to PC
Thats because the PS3's Hardware is Completely different from both Modern Hardware and the Hardware that came out at the Time of the PS3 and 360. Not defending Sony. This was one of their paranoid anti-piracy Measures. I switched to PC because I saw the Writing on the wall with PS4 and Xbox One
The PS3 used an Outdated, for even the Time, Cell Processor from the 80s slapped on the Same Nvidia Graphics Solution as the 360. That Cell Processor is is why it took so long for RPCS3 to get good, though its still Leagues of ahead of Xenia. The reason the Fat PS3s could play ps2 is because that PS3 had the PS2 Motherboard built into it's Motherboard.
@@lexcelius6921 ok but if the community could emulate ps3 games what is stopping sony from having an on console emulation solution on the ps5 atp
@@jeja6801 Money it takes more time or they been working on tryna make more AAA games for ps5 than playing old gen games which obviously make more money ?
@@jeja6801 Emulating ps3 games on a console with a cpu that is essentially a ryzen 5 3600 is a tall order. Some games could work really well but good ps3 emulation typically requires a more powerful cpu in many first party games.
@@jeja6801 Money, basically. These guys have been 14 years emulating the PS3 and at this point, only 70% of those games are playable. What would happen if Sony released a faulty emulator? They have to release a perfect one, and it won't be free, at all, considering how hard it is to emulate PS3.
PS3 might not compete with the longevity of the PS2, but you can't deny it was a whole ERA with so much variation and experimentation.
Ps3 passion station
Agreed
The xbox 360/ps3 era really was a special era in gaming
It was the last era for good consoles, the peak or close to the peak.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatThe red ring of death and the ylod might say otherwise. But hey, nostalgia amiright?
It really wasn’t you were just a kid while it happened
@@Melkac so youre telling me the first proper use on online console gaming wasnt a special thing???. Besides, i was like 12-18 during this time
It’s just the one u were a kid for … anyone feels that way about an era
But also I will say this was one of the first eras for content creation so there’s that
rpcs3 is awesome, like 2 years ago I completed the whole persona 5 dumping over 300 hours without a SINGLE bug or crash
also, comoonity
pc specs?
You could just buy royal, its much better in some places, pacing sucks as always though.
i discovered just 2 days ago this emulator but games like gran turismo 5 dosen't run much smoot, i just have to set better the emulator setting or in some games gives some problem?
I have the proper cpu and gpu for rpcs3 but it still runs like shit for a lot of games but works for most
Jim Ryan: Why play old game when you can play new game?
Also Jim Ryan: Releases more remasters of PS4 games on PS5 than actual PS5 games.
Why play old version of game you already own when there's new version of game you already own
Jeff, put a ps3 video or something.
Yeah
please jeff. i saw that multiman install so i know u got some secret knowledge for us
18:08 My RPCS3 buddies just told me I was in one of your vids and I had to stop by and say hiya again lol (Really great video detailing RPCS3!! 👍)
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glad she didnt overreact
@@bluekaiokenobama my god me too
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Built-in virus
EDIT: I removed the mention of not emulating PS1 games because I was incorrect and internet weirdos were getting their vending machine used panties in a twist.
The thing I don't understand about PS3s not being able to emulate the PS2 games is that they literally could. I have one of the few that were sold... It frustrates me so much that they claim that backwards compatibility is "something nobody wants" while also charging us a subscription for the privilege of it.
All ps3’s have full ps1 backwards compatibility, but only the original 60gb or 20gb ps3 have native ps2 backwards compatibility, some ps3 models used emulation for ps2 games but after the slim they removed hard emulation entirely.
@Trapgranny64 that cecha and cache are getting pricey
@@Trapgranny64 Ah yeah, maybe that's what it was. I remember some weirdness with that whole thing.
@@Trapgranny64 It wasn't with the slim that compatibility was removed. The first version of the PS4 was 20gb and 60gb. Those literally had the PS2 component inside both GPU and CPU. Then they had a 80gb version that had the PS2 CPU but emulated the GPU. Compatibility went from 99.9% to like 95%.. Then came the 3rd revision that was still a 80gb fat ps3 but the PS2 components were completely gone. The Slim model came with the 4th version. 5th version is the one with the sliding door on the disc drive.
Lots of misinformation in this thread. All PS3's emulate PS1 games, albeit very well. The OG 60GB model (CECHA01) came with the PS2 GPU, the Graphics Synthesizer, AND the PS2 CPU, the Emotion Engine in combination with RAMBUS memory. Whereas later models (starting with the PAL 60GB release, CECHC01) dropped the CPU in favor of software emulation, but still using the PS2's original GPU that used fixed function hardware (like the fog in GTA:SA or games that used field rendering).
That said, the sentiment of the original poster is entirely correct because all PS3s are able to emulate PS2 games through the PS2 Classics emulator, something you can leverage by jailbreaking your PS3 (and there are even patches for games available to make them work better), Sony could have easily done it themselves. Even more so on PS4/PS5 where the situation is the same, and the hardware is more than fast enough, but over time Sony's interest became lower and lower which you can see by comparing compatibility of the emulator used for Classics on the PS3 and PS4/5. The state of Classics is abysmal too, where in Europe you get PAL games running in a 60hz container and stuff like that.
The same can't be said for PS3 emulation as you need quite some beefy CPU power to achieve that. In fact, we're not entirely there yet in terms of CPU performance for emulating the SPEs of the Cell chip and many games still struggle to get stable frame rates because of it. I have a 12900K that is able to run AVX512, which is the best possible CPU for PS3 emulation and it still struggles. The Zen 2 cores in the PS5 are certainly not fast enough to do this as well, especially since they lack AVX512 compatibility. Even if Sony wanted to achieve it, they could only do it in a smaller subset of games that don't leverage the SPEs as much. But it was mostly Sony first party titles that were putting the Cell to it's full use and so we don't see much interest.
A simple answer is get a gaming pc instead of a ps5 pro ... my laptop is a 2060 rtx [old[ and it runs ps3 and 360 fines just fine
cpu?
@@BTS-nu2fcon fire 🔥
Unbelievable. I tried out Xenia on this Aspire 3 15... literally cost me $220CAD for this laptop new. 8GB RAM total shared with the GPU... Ryzen 3 7000 series and it ran Bioshock great!
But did you try any actual 360 games? All Bioshock games and all versions (including the remasters) are available on PC since the beginning.
@@MoonOvIce It is for all intents and purpsose an actual xbox 360 game. You are emulating the xbox 360 version of the game. Doesn't matter if it's available on PC.
@@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737 Yeah sure. But Buoshock came from a PC-first developer. It also came out at a time that most/all console ports had X-input controller support for Xbox controllers, besides performing better and looking better than the 360 and PS3 versions. The newer versions are even better. So I just find it weird having to waste system resources to emulate it and then run a version of it that runs at 30fps with vsync or 60fps without. If it was one of those games in the 2000's where the PC version was a lost cause, I would understand. But I would assume emulation would be more about playing games that either aren't actually available on PC or the version is terrible/worse/hard to run.
@@MoonOvIce I get what you're saying. There's no point in playing Bioshock. But it is interesting to see how it does anyways.
Comooonity
came here to say this
LMAO
I'm too stoned and noticed it way too much 🤣🤣🤣
I keep hearing that in his videos! Is it an inside joke or is that just how he pronounces it?
@@unseenorheard it's just how he says it 🤣🤣🤣 bro kept saying it
PS3 is my favorite console ever. what a epic time this was in gaming history.
I love to see the LBP love, truly a special part of my childhood.
Funny how this is still a topic when Bloodborne emulation is in the pipeline as though it's gonna be a playable experience.
Yeah I am waiting ps4 emulator to be polished because I cant play uncharted or infamous getting like 15-30 fps on rpcs3 it gives me motion sickness, ps4 emulator is gonna be way optimized than rpcs 3 in the future
BB is a hassle to set up and is really unstable right now, but once you get it working it’s like a dream. Can’t wait for the process to be more streamline and for more people to enjoy bloodborne.
The big console companies(Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony) are mad about emulators because the emulator community is doing things they can't be arsed to do themselves.
Also, fun little fact: You can connect your official PS3 DS3 to your computer to use with RPCS3, with full button support for that truly authentic experience.
how the fuck does that work?
@@pedro.alcatra You’ll need to download and install specific driver software to allow your PC to recognize and configure the PS3 controller. SCPToolkit is a start, and what I used. But once you have that, all you have to do is use a wired USB connector for the DS3 and connect it to your computer. After a moment your computer will recognize the controller just like how the PS3 used to do, and presto, all set. Disconnect the controller and press the PS button and it will automatically connect to the PCs bluetooth and be ready to go.
In the driver software you can configure it to function with full PS3 support, including pressure sensitive buttons(RPCS3 and PCSX2 will accept this configuration natively) or as an XInput control device(for everything else as not everything can understand native PS3 control inputs).
@@pedro.alcatraPs3 controllers use bluetooth to transmit there signals. So anything that can receive bluetooth signals can learn how to interpret those signals.
@@darthwoody9917 I know about the Bluetooth. But it usually don't work that way. The same way Xbox controller have Bluetooth and 2,4Ghz WiFi. But if you want to use the 2,4ghz band on your pc you need a dongle. Even if my desktop literally has an WiFi 7 card disabled because I use a wired connection. The handshake and other stuff on proprietary hardware may differ. Like can we use PS3 controller thru Bluetooth on other apps on PC that isn't the emulator?
Should mention you should be using Xenia Canary which is more up to date
right?, Xenia canary is MUCH better than Rpcs3, i played RDR and Gears of War trilogy on XC, and performance was great, Rpcs3 performance is all over the place, thankfully Lossless Scaling exists to make things smoother
@@carposp7789It's still too bare bones. I wouldn't say it's better than RPCS3. There are too many ps3 games fully playable at over 60fps to mention. Many of them fully playable since 2017/2018, it's insane. Xenia is only getting there and the UI and other features are almost non-existent.
He tried it
I did! Literally showed off me installing it at 4:57 not sure if you saw haha
@@carposp7789 You literally played 4 games on Xenia Canary and then decided it was better than RPCS3 as a whole. I could cherry-pick 4 games from RPCS3 that performed well and say that it's much better than Xenia Canary. Whether one is "better" than the other is case-dependent. For example, RDR runs fine for me on RPCS3, but I had horrible luck on Xenia. On the flipside, Midnight Club: Los Angeles wouldn't even boot on RPCS3 for me, but I was able to complete the game on Xenia.
Recently moved abroad with just 2 suitcases. All my 360 games and saves got backed up to a USB stick, and they work fine with Xenia Canary 🙏.
ALL your games?
Make another copy if you only have it on the USB.
Don't want to lose that.
@@DeBrandit yeah absolutely dude! I have the games and saves back up on a hard drive. Ide be cooked if i lost that 😭
How many games did you back up to the usb stick? What was the capacity of the stick?
@@brockraybon 128gb and I backed up just over 30 iirc. still a bunch of space left. they're really not THAT big luckily
Been loving the longer videos. Keep it up!
I'm 45yo and I have never seen, much less played, a xbox. Its funny to realise that. I have never seen a real xbox. No matter the generation. Yet I have a Atari, a NES, a Genesis, PSP, a Vita and a PS3.
Weird flex
Weird
@@jakeplayzyt5220 I just meant to say I've been around consoles for a long time and its really funny I know nobody that own a xbox. The only time I say the xbox UI was when I saw the awesome memes about people roasting each other's mother.
You ain't missing nothing.
@@rubbersoul420 I know, he’s missing a lot of stuff, like halo and gears of war and various other amazing games, he really should try an Xbox, maybe a 360.
This is probably the best , cleanest emulation video on TH-cam. I hope this goes straight to the top search results. Keep it up Jeff , you’re killing it.
PS5 barely has ANY games - I'll take older emulated games over that library!
Seriously. The PS5 has been launched for 4 years and it doesn't feel like it. No games, no excitement about it, nothing.
I'm not corporal but, nowadays games take millions of bucks to make cause the developers' salaries it up in the 230k plus if they hire high-profile celebrities to voice that's also 7 figures plus blah, blah. So that's why plus in today's climate you gotta Insert politics in it as well bc of Big Brother govt pushing agendas that take a lot of marketing budget.
Seriously the fact the PS5 pro exists now is like passing on our wallets!
THE PS5 HAS NO GAMES and Iam tired of pretending there is.
I went PC after the 360. Skipped on PS4/one. No regrets
@@Tonka-r6e Did the same. The E3 press conference's killed the momentum for Xbox for me, especially when Xbox One's E3 was all about media streaming etc. & nothing about games. I got a PS4 back then because my schoolmates all said at the time they were going that route, but nah they stuck to Xbox, and I moved to PC & been here since!
Awesome video. I like that you went over some features that not even “set-up” videos have covered for each emulator.
It's amazing that even now, after putting in the staggering amount of work that it takes to get an emulator working, devs will put literally zero effort into a front end or consider usability.
RPCS3's ui is really good. But Xenia is almost non-existent and is dependant of front-ends.
It's because some devs that are like gods in emulation don't have any experience in making frontends. So, you either have to rely on a "third-party" frontend or learn how to read config files (lol)
@@frayans Or just not bother to use the emulator until it's finished. Sorry but in this year of our lord 2024, a piece of software without some sort of GUI is not finished.
creating and maintaining a frontend with a developing backend is a lot of double work. The speed of development while keeping the frontend 'beautiful' isn't an easy task.
Also, after a few years of emulation you will want to reach for a custom frontend (that services all your games like ES-DE). My hope is all these emulators eventually will be ported as cores into something like RetroArch where we have a unified frontend
I just want to let you know that I subscribed to you because you lay off the usual TH-cam tropes. A breath of fresh air. And now I’m getting more into modern emulation because of you.
Damnit, Jeff.
As someone whose favourite console of all time is the PS3, it is an absolute joy to see how far the emulation has come. I’m gonna have to spend some of my weekend dumping some games and reliving old memories
god your channel is so under rated...i don't claim fav channels often but this is def one of them take ur time on these videos. they are always bangers
Much appreciated 🙏
And this is why PC is King of all gaming platforms!
Good to see ya' getting that bag my man, been a subscriber since the very beginning and watching your channel grow has been wicked so far!
cumoonity
came to comment just for that
lol
Si Señor 🙂
Seeing how easy it is to get PS3 firmware from this just made me full send on getting RPCS3 set up, and I can finally play Demon's Souls classic without wanting to pull my hair out.
Thank you for the video!
Cumoonity
HAH, I was thinking this but didn't think anyone else would say it.
1:04
Finally a company that understands its customers
Xenia is a great emulator for xbla games but it requires a fairly powerful computer to run the more demanding games.
I’ve been thinking of playing the Banjo games through that for a while since they were the best versions. Any experience with those? Do they run well or are they buggy?
@@MerryBlindI haven't finished them or gotten too far, but they are perfect. Now the 360 exclusive one, I tried it only once and it didn't work but yeah, haven't checked the last few months.
Is a 4070 with a 5600x with 32gb enough?
lol
RPCS3 is much more demanding. You can get by with a lesser pc with Xenia but not RPCS3.
Great video. I have been getting into the scene over the past year and it is truly amazing what these communities have been doing. People just want to play good old games.
Sony and ms have no interest in backwards compatibility they want you paying for their services and playing games they can properly monetize. Good thing we got emulation but we got to step outside of the current gaming ecosystem.
Worse, now a significant part of their "new" releases are remasters of PS3 or even PS4 era games.
I only play single player games once, when the credit rolls I move to other games. I prefer remasters and remakes of these games because they will run well on the new hardwares. Sahder caching is not great for me because the games will stutter.
Wrong 😂 Microsoft is expanding its backlog of Backwards compatibility on Newer Consoles.
They have announced it in March April, some 3rd party developers are choosing to remaster games instead of renewing licenses so that is what’s holding backwards compatibility back.
Wrong MS does care and has a very good backwards compatibility program. And is constantly adding more titles to the list as they work out licensing deals with old publishers.
Sony is finally making backwards compatibility availability. but it may take a while as the emulator they are using & making is still relativity early and they have Ps2 & PS3 Dev from the emulation scene to create and port games to this emulator Sony has baking.
Microsoft doesn’t fully need to create an emulator as everything is in house. But it’s up to 3rd party dev to make games back wards compatibility as MICROSOFT HAS ALL THEIR First Party Games Available.
Thank you for sharing this PS3 retrospective.
2:50 that transition was tight
This is incredible. Mainly Xbox Xenia has blown me away as I have been wanting to play certain old Xbox 360 games that are no longer available since the store shutdown and were never made backwards compatible with the series X. I had no idea they finally made a an actual UI for it and made it much easier to configure and setup games. I can't wait to try this out. Great Video by the way!
ROCK BAND 3 DELUXE MENTIONED 😮😮😮
WE LOVE PLASTIC INSTRUMENTS RAHHHHHHH
@@DammitJeff We're not done yet, either. I got some ideas for stream integration with the Play a Show system
@@DammitJeffgood to have you in the community, please check out the guitar hero games
This is the first video I've seen from you, and aside from the high quality of your content, I just want to mention I absolutely love the wholesome aura in your video and I love hearing you talk! One of the easiest subs.
I played around with RPCS3 for a while and completed Killzone HD and Resistance 1, great emulator when it works. But the amount of problems with game crashes, weird graphics issues, low frames and all the custom configs you need to do on some games made me just go out and bought a PS3. Save the hassle :P
Excellent informative video. Thanks Jeff!
I'm excited for good ps3/360 emulation :)
Seeing Into the Nexus run at 60fps finally makes me so happy, okay maybe i should look into this
Next: Is PS4/XBOX ONE emulation finally good ?
PS4 and Xbox games are available for PC. There's no reason to do emulation
@@ellionprime bloodborne moment
@@ellionprime Halo 5 is not
actually emulators for both consoles just came out, and the ps4 one is emulating bloodborne just fine
@@Hope-r4p Forza Horizon 2 moment
awesome video dude!! I've been meaning to check emulation too but never got around to it ^^
Cumoonity...
Now I got it
What's that supposed to mean?
bro was 10 years old in 2008 already? damn, bro must be too old to be excited about most of the stuff but still is! that's dedication right there and I love it.
There's a weird issue with the audio at 2:35 .....
Great video all round tho😊
yeah, that was bothering me too. I thought my headphones broke lol
Big fan of your videos!! Keep killin it! You make me want to get into this style of gaming and that laptop is dope
the laptop looks good but the price is what makes or breaks deals.
I've been loving your vids for a while. Keep it up!
BTW, can you make a content about Vita like you did with 3DS? I would love to watch it
I remember little big planet 2 nights with my friends and my sister in the mornings
Did you *also* wake up early to get a bit of game time in before school, because mood
@@DammitJeff actually before school it was strictly America's Funniest Videos
one of my favourite peripheral preservations is tony hawk ride/shred on rpcs3. for years these games were entirely unplayable due to the skateboard controller being required to play both. in ~mid 2023, some work was done to get the skateboard controller input working with both games and now it works flawlessly (or at least as good as the original games worked)
21:30 I remember that statement. Again, boomer execs being absolutely out of touch with the gaming communities, always trying to push their "CONSOOM NEW PRODUCT, NAO!!" narrative, that treats games as disposable products you shouldn't invest time to and replay endlessly. Full backwards compatibiity was THE selling point of both PS2 and PS3 consoles, something gamers AND their parents were overjoyed. Remember the SNES announcement controversy, how older folks were furious that those hundreds of bucks worth of NES games no longer would work on the new hardware? Yeah, many do not, clearly.
I enjoyed this video so much! Thanks for letting me know about Xenia Manager. I also love LBP and many other Playstation exclusives! I never thought I'd be able to play them all on PC! Thank you to all the nerds out there that made it possible!
7th gen games where the best. Most of the big AAA gaming companies aren't making the games they use too. They're too worried about pleasing a small minority of very vocal idiots to make good games anymore. Now they either release the game in a unfinished state and let the people that buy the game find the bugs with the pre-orders. Then they can push a massive day one patch that's suppose to make it somewhat passable as a finished game. Or they make it so unbearably obvious that they're pushing a DEI agenda. That overshadows any positives and it ends up like concord... My advice to the gaming industry. Go back to what worked, i.e. making games for gamers not activist. Like it or not, the vast majority of gamers are straight males.
Great editing and presentation for these emulators ill definallty be checking them out!
Real homies remember the little big planet glitch to place items in your pod
This is *exactly* the video I was looking for. Thank you so much, Dammit Jeff.
Yo, Jeff, put out a PS3 video or something.
OMG how did I not know Xenia manager even existed!!!
cool video.
Why are you pronouncing "community" like that? This is the first time I am hearing someone saying like that
You should hear the way he pronounces computer
By constantly saying it this way, the engagement of the channel gets higher and higher which is great for content creators. Think verbal click bait
Im not even sure if its him being "cute" anymore seeing how he constantly bastardizes any word you has the hard "u" sound in it. He may have some kind of speech impediment. In which case, fair enough.
Thanks for covering this Jeff!
Great video bro!
Does it run well on the SteamDeck or should I only use PS3/360 emulator on my gaming PC? ( 55600X x 3070ti )
RPCS3 runs really well on the Deck
Not sure about something heavy like MGS4 and Uncharted, but stuff like Tekken 6, Tag 2 and Dante's Inferno runs just fine
PC. Deck can do maybe half of them at fullspeed
Ally can do most of the PS3 library well but overall the Deck isnt strong enough for the more demanding games
@ZimpanX I wanna play Anime and JRPGs PS3 games tbh. As for Xbox 360, I wish the Deck supported the Xbox app - then we could download xbox x series/one/360 games.
@notKaliKot Figured that was the case, appreciate it!
@@KaiserSenpai420 What anime games are you thinking about that are on PS3 that didn't get a PC release? (genuinely curious)
I agree with you fully that the excellent emulators that Microsoft have developed should also be available on PC and not require a modern Xbox.
Little Big Planet needs to make a return!
It's very nice when random TH-camrs play on the LBP custom servers. i've been playing beacon servers since private beta and been having a blast!
14:08 excuse me, the what? 0.0
Thanks for the update Jeff. Cheers.
That blue is teal
Been using RPCS3 for the past 3 months and It's been quite amazing. Being able to play Skate 3 at last on my laptop is amazing!
I felt sad for Xenia Dev > RPCS3 More devs
Great video. Probably the most entertaining and professional product placement I ever seen. I almost feel like selling my more than capable Lenovo Legion laptop and get this Tongfang-based laptop.
The devs on the 360 emulator have literally made almost 0 breakthroughs in years. Have 0 faith in the current dev team.
what are you on about? it's only recently games have become playable
@@DecibelAlex games have been playable for years. Had this setup on my Xbox series x as well.
No ui improvement, no Xbli improvement, all they've done is fix a few games that need some improvement that already ran if you knew what to do.
Because the old dev was super lazy and rude, I personally knew him.
@@BigBossLebowski have a look at the changelogs. there's at least one update every week addressing issues and improving performance at least since 2019, sometimes several updates per day. if it wasn't for that you would've never had it on your xbox series x
have a look at the changelogs. there's at least one update every week, sometimes several per day at least since 2019, addressing issues and improving performance so we don't need a supercomputer to play our games. if it wasn't for that you would've never had it on your series x
Loved this content NEW SUBSCRIBER
CommUnity
Grew up in this era, can't wait to try this out!
15:56
I was so mad they killed PShome when it went down. I may have my data still on a HDD... will have to look.
But it was a really neat feature of the Era thatI really wish Sony would have kept around.... imagine PShome in VR?!?! That would have been some next level "Ready Player 1" shit right there!!!
.....and they were so close then
And now all the Live Service games... PS Home could have been a true hub for all of that
i’m honestly so incredibly impressed with rpcs3. i admittedly don’t check in and mess around with xenia nearly as much but it feels like the progress of rpcs3 is on another level to any other emulator. being able to emulate games as relatively recent as ps3 games on my pretty mid computer is surreal
broooooo i saw the demo cliffy did on e3 for gears of war 2 and i saw it with hi frame rate didnt know for years why it look so good why the xbox version didnt look as good the e3 version demo gears of war pc and gears of war 2 made me a pc gamer now i cn enjoy this game in over 60 fps all gears of war games need to be ported to pc
"cliffy"
Did not know about Xenia Manager, thanks.
PS: I love your hair
I just love playing on my PS3, and having physical copies. I'm going into debt trying to get the collection I want.
Um maybe you should get into emulation, it only costs the price of a good computer and electric bill.
If you already have the games is 1 thing, but I can't recommend breaking the bank on collecting. Finding the space for all the physical media and keeping it pristine is another problem
As soon as I saw you can play MGS4 on RPCS3. I bought a gaming laptop for emulation.
The PC emulation community is fantastic, I was playing all my childhood games on PS2 and found many mods for improved graphics and gameplay for various titles.
Man looking at LBP as yet another IP sony could easily make money off but ignore. Remake the trilogy with todays technology for PC also and theyd make $$$.
You can tell RPCS3 to not compile PPU on the start, it'll compile the modules when needed. Makes MGS4 start like in seconds instead. Ratchet & Clank games also freeze often.
What about Desktop PCs will an i5 14600k 16 gb ddr5 rtx 4060 ti on windows 11 easily run these emulators and games ?
Easy, won´t have a problem since the laptop specs that they list are cutdown versions of the desktop variant always.
With those specs, if a game doesn't run then it's not because your PC is not good enough but instead the emulator just doesn't run that game well. I have a Windows PC handheld similar to a Steamdeck as well as a big PC. My handheld runs Cyberpunk in 720p low setting at 50-60fps. On my PC I run it in 1080p high with some ray tracing at 90-100fps. That's a huge gap between both PC but The Last of Us runs like crap on PCSX3 on both computers. 10-20fps and visual glitches. With that game it's not about how powerful the computer is but how compatible the emulator is.
@@kurok1tenshi No way around that, can't cheat physics for the cooling.
TALK ABOUT THE PS3 NEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!
If you play a game and it is dedicated to playing on 30 frames and you play it on 60 frames, it will be twice the speed
The way you say community is really bothering to me (too much I know)
And English is my second language (🇮🇱) so it’s odd
Anyway your content is awesome and that is the most important thing
I agree, but at least the content was awesome
Bro no Diddy but after all these years I've been watching your hair is still beautifully long
Why does he say comoonity 😭
Great video! Them audio pops hurt my soul.
Best to use xeina canary
Sony always did backwards compatibility the best, I was sad to hear it wouldn't be coming to the PS4. They would go so far as to include the physical chips needed to make it happen, but I think they figured out with the PS3 the added cost just isn't worth it. I still wish they at least gave the option, like have a model with and without.
jeff make a ps3 video
This video feels like it would have been rendered in 2:1 aspect ratio lol
What’s the game shown at 7:57?
Asura's wrath
Nopp wrong. It actually is akutius wrath reloaded @@elnenepiola
@@DennisSvensson-y6b Asura's wrath. End of discussion 😑😑😑