The Beyonder VS Lucifer Morningstar | BATTLE ARENA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2018
- The Beyonder - 0:17
Lucifer Morningstar -2:44
Fight Breakdown - 5:18
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Two of the most powerful beings in all comics are going head to head! But who comes out on top? Well thats what we're here to find out!
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I agree with this. Lucifer Morningstar is just to smart and manipulative for the Beyonder.
I can destroy all existence easily. I could destroy all marvel with a tought. Marvel made me TOAA before TOAA was mentioned. Lol, Lucifer isn't in that level
DillPickletheman - Gaming & More so is Lucifer............... Again I can't believe I have to repeat this fucking fact but LUCIFER GOT HIS ASS FOOLED BY CONSTANTINE SO FUCK OFF
@@42ndblaze43 Constantine never fooled Lucifer, what are you talking about!?
42nd Blaze When. And if so. THE BEYONDER IS AN IDIOT COMPARED TO LUCIFER.
El Diablo oh my god DanCo even stated that... Look up his video on Dr. Strange vs Constantine or better yet search up the comic because I forgot the title
Lucifer: "Your existence is a lie, we live inside of comicbook pages and you're about to vanish out of existence"
Beyonder: "... What?"
Lucifer: "Exactly 😠"
Beyonder: "Wait, what's happeni...-ng-..."
*Beyonder ceas to exist*
Lmao
I don’t think that’s how it works
Cease?
@@LISAWILKINSON100 He's saying lucifer is smart enough to assess his mental state like that. Realize things.
Sees?? You aren’t serious, are you?
Bro Lucifer shaped the DC multiverse, Lucifer has the morningstar power. There is no way he can lose.
RODRIGO FILHO you know that if he wanted to the beyonder could just destroy the marvel multiverse right?
@@abubakarbarry4930 Even the strongest version of the Beyonder cant win against Lúcifer, Lúcifer has the will of God, he can make the Beyonder kill himself...
RODRIGO FILHO the beyond error is essentially god you know...
RODRIGO FILHO are u dumb beyonder is 1000 times stronger then all of marvel tf
Beyonder was known as marvel's god before one above all showed up
I thing Lucifer would win. Not because of his omniscience only, but because as long as he is in creation or has matter near him, he can warp it on an omnipotent level, so that, paired with his omniscience, would be more than enough to defeat the beyonder
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Beyonder can do all of that lol
@@HeFrom23rd Anything beyonder could do, lucifer could do better.
@@mobarenleidowu1336 are u being biased
@@zechariah2092 no because even if beyonder can do the same he can’t do the same with the same thought since Lucifer is the IQ in that battle
beyonder is Infinite dimensional while Lucifer beyond Dimensions
lucifer wins bruhh...
Jace OverHeaven the word infinite dimensional has been used "infinite" as a statement, theres nothing beyond infinity.. The only things that beyonds infinite dimensional is omniversal which contains all imagination, expectations, questions, infinitiesimals.
god I love drugs. Don't you?
Pre retcon beyonder was so powerful that they had to retcon him and then introduced GOD to try and make him seem much more beatable
Emodeath 02 The beyond infinite dimensional thing was based the understanding of the Judeo Christian god, basically ancient Catholics and philosophers believe God to be spaceless and timeless, in other words beyond infinite dimensional. According to Plato's Theory of forms there are three levels to reality, the first is physical reality, which in the DC/Vertigo universe contains infinite dimensions, the second is beyond physical and into the conceptual. Basically it is believed anything in the first world only exists as a shadow of something in the Second world; that all things came to those there in the second level of reality as one. For example, the idea of cats could act as object, person or thing in the second world, a personification of cats, this extends to all things, life, death, space, time etc... In the DC universe this is found in the Endless. We see that the Endless are truly spaceless and timeless entities, the first incarnation of a Dream was literally the dream of the Eldritch monsters below and beyond space and all of the Endless are children of Night who exists in the untime beyond all event horizons, death also existed in Lucifer's multiverse. And the third level is God, who is unbound from such concepts of death, unreality, time, cause, effect etc... I'm not saying this is the way our reality works but from my experience this is how the DC cosmology seems to be ordered, with The Presence acting as God, the Endless are the Higher concepts and all reality fits underneath. Lucifer is on a level with the Endless with Dream admitting Lucifer is far, far more powerful than he is and Death being unable to kill Lucifer's ravens. The Beyonder on the other hand is only infinite dimensional. There are plenty of verses like this and regardless of the fact that things beyond time and space are logical impossibilities they exist so many times in other fictions, The Dark Tower, The Divergence, Lovecraft's mythos etc...
Christian McCarthy Darkseid>Marvel
I'm basically fighting a powerful child.
Lucifer Morningstar but you better
I agree with you on that.
Easy win. The beyonder would easily lose, he's just too damn gullible.
Lucifer Morningstar
But dangerous.
@@thorshammer7883 but not dangerous enough
Never thought I'd say this but Lucifer wins.
@k.ithelena Why are you writing each word in capital first letter, dumbass?
@k.ithelena hey can u help me
@k.ithelena He was omnipotent. You cant beat that and you're using poor logic to excuse away his power. Nothing beats him plain and simple.
@k.ithelena and please come with any argument so I can debunk it
linky2552 he’s not omnipotent if he couldn’t brink back death smh
Well, If The Detective Is there he Loses 😂
"Im bleeding."
See what u did there hahaha
Or not sense he could "kill" him easly still
Hero Hazz Pretty sure, Vertigo's Lucifer would have killed her just to not be manipulated by his dad in the first place.
@@thedamned7096 I guess he is talking bouy netflix lucifer( they frieking nerfed him more than thanos)
Bruce Wayne vs batman
@@spidey3922 I think he's joking....
Nope, Peter Parker vs spiderman is better
That is a dumb question if you don't know superheroes secrets identity is like saying Steve Rogers vs captain America
Nah Robert Reynolds vs Sentry is better....
Martha
Lucifer can’t die, death can’t claim him. Literally, he would just will himself back
Beyonder can destroy death itself
Beyonder can make it as if Lucifer never existed to begin with
@@thepresence5041 I don’t think u understand how death works in DC, it isn’t like Marvel where death is just one being, death in the DC Universe is a concept even if u destroy one variation of death another one will take her place, and in order for Lucifer to not exist he will also have to kill God which is also impossible because he will just simply remake himself.
@@halogalaxy5612 lucifer died when his name got erased in the book of destiny. He’s not above death or even destiny while Beyonder is. PR Beyonder a piece of his power in a cup was able to kill death.
@@kekfromkekistan3057 Lucifer came back tho, he died for a like a solid minute
lucifer: detectiveeeE
beyonder: dies
Yeah when your mother is a virgin
@@raziyariha8323 well your going to hell
Beyonder wins
@@RaghavTyagiRajput11 Are you real
OMG I'm literally blasting!!!!!!! (!)
Tom Ellis wins.... Everytime.
+1
@@fafnirthedragon2992 but hes freaking devil 🙄
Lucifer convinced Tom Ellis to play him in a Tv show.
just got to keep chloe away
If it was Tom Ellis, Lucifer will be dead already xD He's too dumb and weak (More like a puppy Lucifer) while Lucifer from the comic is way too smart and so powerful ! (Even without power is powerful .. no joke)
Lucifer Morning Star wins ....... Lucifer only loses to the one above all. Beyonder is no push over but he going against the negative. God & Lucifer are the balance of the universe.
Dude no Pre Retcon Beyonder was TOAA before he was even a thing and millions times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse...He's more powerful than Lucifer...
Molecule Man dude when a character gets retconed it’s basically the writers saying “this character always existed we just had to make him first” so by what marvel wants us to believe he was never TOAA the current TOAA is the one and only thats what marvel says that is their god they clearly want it in our head with how many times they repeat it he is unbeatable unmatched unrivaled by any being in their comics end of story stop looking back on the past and using feats to suggest otherwise it came straight from them and if you want to rely on comics so bad TLT who well knows who the beyonder is already said TOAA is unmatched that includes the beyonder whatever omnipotency the beyonder had was scrapped so just forget about it idk what the beyonder is classified as right now all i know is its above cosmic and below divine and omnipotent which Lucifer is divine
Lucifer Morning Star is immortal....... Remember Doctor Doom stole the Beyonder Powers. 🙄😲😲😲😲😉
There is stronger beings than the beyonder. They would easily Beat lucifer.
Sorry dud you have it wrong, in DC it's Micheal and Lucifer that are the balance of each other and they are still under The Presence.
couple of things to note the beyonder actually allowed Doctor Doom to believe that there was some big struggle between them but in truth he gave the power to Doom in order to see what he would do with it. and enjoyed manipulating him through the form of klaw to reclaim the power rather than just outright taking it back, as far as getting drunk ect. While he did have omniscience he wanted to physically experience a lot of these Sensations because in his reality he was all that was, nothing was above him, he was curious about this concept desire and so-called good and evil hence the reason he destroyed several galaxies and created one Super world for the so-called Heroes to fight the so-called villains.
but in the end it's all up to the writers.
Exactly!!!’ You said it better then me beyonder is a god that wants to understand man so what does he do get a 3 dimensional body and turn off his omnipotent omniscient omnipresent power every now and then so he can EXPERIENCE being a men what do we humans have desire curiosity lust envy happiness joy sadness depression anxiety etc the beyonder wanted to experience all these emotions and feelings so yes he did get drunk because us humans do that abs our true feelings come out this is what the beyonder wanted to do smh people ridiculously downplay and say all these flaws is what makes the beyonder weak but the whole premise of the beyonder is a God becoming man so he purposely made himself ridiculously weak turn off his OP powers so he can become a HUMAN smh people man
@@thebeyonderisop6637 and it was because of that desire for mortality that the molecule man was able to so easily seize the opportunity and destroy his physical body ( baby form ) and sheathe his vast energies back to his home universe .
Agreed yes Pre-Retcon Beyonder erases, in beyond realm beyonder is omniscient take this fight to there lucifer would be no longer omniscient cause he doenst know this place in DC if Lucifer tends to fight Beyonder hand to hand he loses also. If its like a meet and lucifer needs to beat him he will in DC universe he will trick him but if Beyonder realizes its his enemy there is no way for Lucifer winning even tho if its DC universe IMO. I do think that Presence should be Beyonder's rival not his angels. In Beyond Realm Beyonder wins, in DC Presence wins due to knowledge otherwise they both omnipotent and omnipresent. Actually Beyonder could be more powerful than Presence cause he is literally Jim Shooter and his realm was billion times bigger than Marvel i mean DC is almost same with Marvel, Beyonder's realm is vastly much bigger therefore Beyonder's omnipotence in Beyond Realm should be higher than Presence's omnipotence in DC. Now if we talk about the fight it varies on the place, if we talk about power its ofc should be Beyonder like i said, his realm is big enough to cover entire DC Marvel and more. Also isn't he Jim Shooter in comic who represents God&Narrator of Marvel Like TOAA essentially?
Very well said
This is why he would lose, he would give his power to Lucifer just to "experience " defeat 😂 PR Beyonder has a mind of a child.
I legit just found out Lucifer has his own series i thought he was talking about the Netflix show
Deadly Assassin9 Netflix revived the show
I hated that show, it was so bad and I used to live in the Sandman and Lucifer comics and I even used to have a man crush on Samael, godamn man I know everything about him and seeing such a toned down and pussy shit version of him that just used his powers to solve gay arse crimes and not even leaving the Multiverse or the platforms of Extra Dimensions at all, and especially the Endless, I loved them and they weren't even in there.
The show got so much wrong and didn't do anything.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki not every show is going to be comic accurate, and if it were, the CGI would be overused and so crappy.
I guess a touch of realism?
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Agreed. That show is not a good take on the character at all, they Smallvilled it. A Lucifer series should have been on HBO with a high budget like game of thrones or a movie series.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki they dont have a big enough budget for all that
But I guess your right. Lucifer doesn't need to fight. He could easily mess up the Beyonder with his words alone.
BS
Beyonder(base) + verse just by blinking
Yh when beyonder is in his human form... Beyonder has only been outsmarted in his physical form
Your explanations are a bit off, and down grading Lucifer a bit, but I over all agree that Lucifer would win. Also, just putting it out there that Lucifer Morningstar is Nigh-Omnipotent and Nigh-Omniscient it's part of his power set as one of the First Angels to be created. It's canon that the only being in the DC universe that is stronger than Lucifer is God. Lucifer didn't just create the multiverse he shaped the DC universe as it is now ( with Michael having the power to create matter out of nothing and Lucifer being able to create anything out of matter ). But pure power isn't what makes this fight; in fact I don't think Lucifer would use much of his power at all. He's much more like Constantine or Loki when it comes to fights and will trick his way into winning most of his battles but he has the power to back it up if he has too. I'd suggest reading the Lucifer comics, they are a good read, I've really enjoyed them.
Michael is above Lucifer
The wiki says they are equal and I believe that it was stated in the comics they were equal as well but I can't recall which comic it's been a while since I read them. If there is a difference between them it's in fighting style. Lucifer is far more cunning, but Michael beats him in brute strength. The 'Demiurgic power' it pure creation, pure energy, But Michael can't create anything out of it only Lucifer can.
"Michael's power is known to only be matched by his brother Lucifer and surpassed only by God." -- Wiki
@@tytoz9034 They're not equal. If Michael didn't go easy on Lucifer, he would've killed him during his rebellion.
I'm just telling you what the wiki says and what I remember from reading the comics. I never said Michael went easy on Lucifer. Cause I'm sure they didn't go easy on eachother, they are equal. But Michael was able to defeat Lucifer with the Demiurgic power, but Michael was so badly wounded after the fight that he was captured by a lower ranking fallen angel and forced to make nephilims, and he stayed captured for thousands and thousands of years, It took Lucifer saving Michael to free him. Out of the fight Lucifer got out of of it more or less unscathed and then God gavel Lucifer rule of Hell.
Lucifer is the first Angel
Boy, people really get worked up over fictitious fights. It's all for fun, guys.
Actually people have been doing that for many years. They even go to wars for it and commit genocides.
yussuq madiq
Uhh that doesn't happen.
Lol,fuck that,this shit gets real,cause danco or what ever the fuck his name is,be down playing marvel
@@mrtru2023 IT IS FICTION U FUCKING BABY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT U AT ALL , stop crying and grow up
He was talking about religious ideologies which is considered fiction by others.
I just started reading the 2000 Lucifer comic, I started taking interest in the Devil ever since the show came on Fox. They really nerf the hell out of Lucifer in that show
Yup. But TV shows and movies can never portray what books and comics perceived. But he is still nerfed from infinite multiverse level power to Earth level. Such a disappointment.
@@zeus-odinchiefs6737 well not really, in an arc in the sandman(if i remember correctly) lucifer didn't have his extraversal powers and was stripped to basically earth level, we can see this in the show as lucifer restraining his own powers to that point so that he isn't a part of God's plans anymore. But yeah, they nerfed him as HELL
What do you mean. The Netflix Lucifer didnt even care about the anti monitor killing and eating the multiverse so he is probably multiversal
They nerf him..or just the god himself will appear before lucifer and kicks his ass in front of all of the tv show fans..and that will be the end of him xD again.
Severely but there's only so much you can portray onscreen lol
Lucifer = Naruto
Talk No Jutsu
Lucifer wins
👏👏
Lucifer wiuld b btw the most powerful being in the anime.. Cause they talk way more than they fight.... I believe he can make Zeno kill himself
Manas Prabhanshdeep Singh
Zeno can erase anyone or anything😂 i am a Lucifer fan and dragon ball but... No one can beat zeno🐦.
@@YOUZANSEN dude i was just joking about how much they talk in anime... And that's all Luci needs
@@YOUZANSEN which Lucifer the comics one or the the baby Lucifer (tv series)
You are dead wrong about beyonder being more powerful, Lucifer has killed three different omnipotent beings, 2 demons that stole the power of the presence as well as the presence himself
The only time I saw him beat the presence is when he had the sword and it was confirmed it was only the sword that beat him but yeah, lucifer is really powerful
Omnipotent people can’t be beaten.
how did the presence get beaten the presence is no 1 and lucifer is just no 2
@@billybob4532 Yes dude, that's logic
@@billybob4532 Lucifer is nigh omnipotent and how can nigh omnipotent beat omnipotent
It doesn't make sense??????
This video blew my mind.
Also can you do Moon Knight vs Azrael (Michael Lane)?
Morningstar would probably make Beyonder his pet and turn him to his side
Actualy beonder is omnipresent omnipotent
And knows a lot but not omniscient !!
The player Yt Regien beyond EE is neither omnipotent or omnipresent
His power doesn't work in marvel universe
Marlito World yes he is bruh he is totaly beond godfinity !!
Anurag Games So Neither does beyonders in DC ...
How Lucifer can win this one? Beyonder is created inside creation. Meaning he can't manipulate beings that is outside of existence like Lucifer and warp him into something. Lucifer has omniscience and the Will of God. Beyonder doesn't. Will of God gives you infinite amount of intimidation. He can trick Beyonder to delete himself out from existence because Lucifer doesn't want to get his hands dirty. Well he can also use Beyonder as his own personal weapon if he feels like it, especially the new Beyonder who obeys even to a mortal.
this is talking about pre retcon not post retcon beyonder. also Lucifer doesn't have the will of God. That's Specter Unbown. Pre retcon beyonder was the one above all before the one above all. also it has never been confirmed if lucifer does have Omniscience. Its only been implied that he MIGHT have nigh omniscience. Also the beyonder isn't a fucking dumbass, why do people portray the Beyonder as a dumbass, its annoying
he does brother he does please read well next time
Girl, learn your grammar.
@@johnnyblack3454 I agree, I don't think they really understand the difference between the PR Classic Beyonder and the post retcon.
He explained it. Watch the video again if you're confused.................
“Detectiveeeeee”
A very interesting battle..great job Danco!!!
I have a question....who would win between Vision and Metamorpho?
You really should use metamorpho in a battle...what do you guys think?
When beyonder die where he go..haha meet lucifer at hell or go to heaven..
if he go heaven then he meet Michael.
@Troy Gonzalez beyonder doesn't have soul
If Beyonder goes to hell, he'll meet Lucifer, but if he goes to heaven, he'll meet Michael
Beyonder wins
@@starbustergaming5651 Honestly, I would say Lucifer because he's intelligent, he is almost as powerful as TOAA/Presence and he's a better looking character by alot. (Btw, I'm a fan of both, so no, I don't hate Beyonder)
dude lucifer isnt powerless in some dimensions like god Parthenon or house of widow it just he wanted to be mortal their and doesn't have his wings at that point at all. Once he gained his wings he shatter the entire dimension with his mere presence i guess you haven't read the lucifer series completely com on you need to correct this. Like beyonder he can kill death also and on top of that without any sideeffects lol even death of the endless stated that herself.
stfu beep
@@josephgassner1800 He's right
Joseph Gassner He’s not exaggerating, he actually did destroy whole universes just by walking there, it was shown and confirmed multiple times
@@kingcrimson1467 Beyonder dismissed an attack that could blow several billiom dimensions, shaped creation of the multiverse so he could fit in and raped Molecule Man who was easily multiversal, Lucy a better match for the Living Tribunal even then hed still lose because Tribunal receives his commands from God himself. marvel's cosmic hierachy is insane
XChristmasManX Lucifer was unfazed by the creation of a multiverse ( it was directly said to be a multiverse), he also took blows from the Dunamis Demiurogos which can destroy all creation ten times over. The DC cosmology is crazier it operates on Plato's Theory of forms, with the infinite dimensions existing as part of the First Form and the concepts which we see from our universe are only impressions of higher beings in the Second Form being unbound by dimensions, time and space. The Endless are part of the Second form, this is largely explained by the Imaginary Axises' video on The Endless, search Dc's seven dark gods we even see Dream of the Endless exit the multiverse and go beyond all space and time showing how he is a Second form being. The Third form is any "being" is completely unbound from any concept including those of the second form which was Plato's belief of what God was, anyone who is unbound from the concepts of the Second form can influence them without restraint creating paradoxes and logical impossibilities e.g. a square circle or lifting a rock so heavy they cannot lift that they created. In the Dc Cosmology this is the Presence and arguably the Overmonitor. The Presence is the one who empowers the Lucifer who is at least a second form being, he is exempt from the certain rules of the Endless and beyond them in power, he has used sigils that kept Death away from his ravens, from her endless embrace, Death has admitted that she has no hold over him and Dream has admitted he is far, far weaker than Lucifer (also saying that he is possibly second to The Presence). The Beyonder is part of the first form, if he was part of the second form he wouldn't be finitely more powerful than infinite dimensional beings and he has admitted that he is only infinite dimensional "it felt odd expressing himself in only 3 dimensions when before he had infinite" (it went something like that). So in conclusion, Lucifer>>>>>>>The Beyonder.
Beyonder suit looks like it's going to eat him up 😂😂
Beyonder look like living in 1980s style 😂😂
Just imagine lucifer and john Constantine having a talk.
Imran Iqbal watch Constantine the movie
They passed by each other in Lucy's bar, nothing happened except for looking at each other
Lucifer 2018
Imran well your wish came true 😂 When John asked a favor from Lucifer in Crisis on Infinite Earths
@@ronjeremiah1038 constantine’s plot armour would annihilate him by merely looking at him
Nice one keep em coming
Age and treachery will beat
Youth and Enthusiasm every time
but put them in the ring and ..well
danco: "lucifer never lies."
real lucifer: "that's a lie."
Lucifer is the devil enough said
That doesn’t necessarily mean anything
@@anythingatall7670 pretty sure beyonder is not God or an angel so basically it does mean something
@@sebtheweb43 That is completely irrelevant. Beyonder is God in the Beyond Realm and he beat Mephisto (the devil in Marvel) many times.
@@Enskyed the devil in marvel were talking the devil in DC and just because he is in the beyond realm he isn't the real God like the presence or one above all
@@sebtheweb43
Then don't use that argument as if it holds any weight.
''the beyond realm he isn't the real God like the presence or one above all''
He is omnipotent in his own realm. His realm exists outside of Marvel.
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Well thought out analyze. Good Video.
Lucifer is above the Omniverse as well as Michael. Bro he’s an infinite amount of times more powerful than Beyonder 🤣
Did you miss the whole video? Beyonder is omnipotent which means there is no one more powerful than him, you cannot go further than omnipotence. Lucifer doesn`t stand a chance if Beyonder wants to kill him but that won`t happen, even with his omnipotence, he`s not very smart and thinks there is no one who can oppose him so he will treat Lucifer as a regular guy and that will be his downfall. Lucifer can`t do anything to Beyonder other than manipulate him. DanCo got it right this time, Beyonder can literally squash Lucifer but he will get played by Lucifer every time and end up losing.
@@yatharth7703 I agree Lucifer Morningstar would lose to Michael Jackson aka Beyonder
@@alinnistor7871 Beyonder isn't omnipotent Toaa is omnipotent and there can only be one omnipotent in a universe.
@@Crow-nc1oo Yeah, he`s more likely nigh-omnipotent, but pre retcon WAS omnipotent.
Use your brain a hole beyonder more powerful then him
Lucifer wins simply because he's modelled after David fucking bowie all that needs to be said.
Isn’t Lucifer immortal
mohammed bangura Immortal things also can be killed shown by the Chaos King from Marvel Comics...
Lucifer was said to be absolutely immortal to the highest level possible for characters below the Presence and only the Presence could destroy him
@@professorchannel6359 presence and Michael no one else and luci killed both
Morningstar not Presence dude
mohammed bangura only on earth hell and heaven
Doom didnt steal his power, the Beyonder let him think he stole his power to simulate good versus evil.
Saizen FINALLY, someone understands
Different comics,different rules, different power scale
Lucifer still wins
@@thenamelessking7873 i told you it's different in many ways, you can compare but you can't decide
@@AhmadSaifudin116 yes you can? People compare characters from different universes all the time so yes you can it's called scaling....
@@thenamelessking7873 just compare, not decide
Come on lucifer wins😂😂😂
X-Force vs CyberForce
New Mutants vs Teen Titans
4 Robins vs G-Force
Dr Light vs Spectrum
Kraven the Hunter vs Blade
Daredevil vs Captain America
Moon Knight vs Nick Fury (Classic)
Ikaris vs Black Bolt
Kraven Maybe
Captain America
Nick Fury will come out on top
IDK
Blade
Cap
MK
Idk
Good fights, how about deadshot vs comedian, ghost rider vs dr fate and hyperion vs geo force?
@@alecg.5638 Dr Fate would crap on Ghost Rider it's not even close imo
Morningstar every time!
I wonder who else saw the headline and headed straight for the comment section
Just because you’re more powerful on paper doesn’t necessarily mean you win...plenty of times in real life and fiction there have been instances where a person, team or character was much more skilled or powerful than their opponent but somehow defeated them and not always by a slim margin.
On paper favorites get beat all the time and a lot of the time the main factors are intellect(game plan) and/or heart/will both of which Lucifer has in spades over the beyonder so to me this is a battle of intellect vs sheer power and it ain’t as clean cut as y’all are trying to make it.
I know the beyonder has the power to defeat luci but luci also has the intellect to defeat beyonder.
Also, luci would be a fool to match up in a head to head physical battle with beyonder and he knows it. Luci would scheme and plot like he always does when he does meet the beyonder it would be on his terms under his conditions with plans on top of plans meanwhile beyonder likely to underestimate luci or overestimate himself imo.
That being said this battle reminds me of Ali vs Foreman Rumble in the Jungle.
I love beyonder but I think luci is entirely too intelligent for beyonder.
This is the best. Thank you kind sir for these words. Someone who understands luci is to good for beyonder😭 praise the Lord
doubleshot helix it’s funny cuz 95% of people really think just because u got god like powers GG
doubleshot helix this is like a HxH fight
All Skill No Luck If he knows every scenario of existence, then how did Dr. Doom deceive him and manage to get his power?Because he can’t, the Beyonder is Omnipotent but not Omniscience.If you don’t know what Omniscience means, it’s the state of knowing everything.Go read some comics first, before you say something completely wrong.
Fyi, The Beyonder is technically made of the ideals of the Endless, despite his power. Lucifer Morningstar is NOT affected by the Endless, ez claps.
Lucifer beats Post Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder gives him a beatdown thats on par with how badly Demifiend from Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne would beat Batman
WeaponXSigma hi
Pre-retcon beyonder, I'm placing him = Micheal, who lost to Lucifer
@@freddypedraza2066 well you're an idiot.
Elizabeth Mckinven Fr
@@Toddles it could go either way. If lucifer manages to beat beyonder it'll likely be to outsmarting him and if beyonder beats Lucifer it'll likely be to overpowering him
Nice battle
What a battle left and llife time i want too see more this type of match cool video
Not gonna lie, I feel like both characters are just tied xD
Non-jobbing re-retcon Beyonder wins. He was the Presence/TOAA of his universe.
Otherwise, Lucy outsmarts any other incarnation of the Beyonder.
In the comments section, 70% say Lucifer while 30% say Beyonder
The only reason Marvel depowered Beyonder was because of TOAA
Bitch Lucifer is beyond comics, he exists outside of comics and he can actually manipulate writers cause he has manipulated his own father the god and DC writers are the God's of DC Omniverse and Lucifer can just erase beyonder out of existence
@@LuckyVarma11 beyonder shit stomps him quit smoking crack bro
@@LuckyVarma11 lmao your argument is valid on DC writers only, not on marvel writers. You know why beyonder is called so, because he's from the *beyond* . He's not inside the Omniverse. Even if Lucifer has created the whole DC multiverse, beyonder is beyond his scope. Stop smoking crack
@@nitishkalita1026 lucifer deletes beyonder from existence stop with cap and read comics
I know u mostly do VS videos. But u should do a What if Godzilla swallowed Wolverine video. I'd love to hear how u think that would play out
Lucifer has god as his dad and hes the devil himself like hes obviously gonna win tff
The beyonder scales well above lucifer and the presence but he loses cause he is like a child,but if he wanted to he cole just blink lucifer out of Existence,the battle really depends on how the beyonder is feeling
Damien Dingus your implying that the devil is real but there is no proof that he is,so i could also say that the devil is a fictional character 🥱
Damien Dingus now your implying god is real and you still have no proof,”god” could also be fictional to buddy,
Damien Dingus just because you believe that the devil is real doesn’t mean he is,some people think he’s fake so are they wrong?,and just to make it clear im not saying your wrong im just saying that you cant state something as a fact without any proof,which you don’t have
Damien Dingus ight bro,now you just preaching at this point 😂,
Green Lantern Corp vs Justice League
Sentry vs The Flash(Barry Allen)
Atrocious vs Sinestro either in a 1 on 1 fight or a team battle with there corps backing them up
Don’t forgot that Lucifer literally left creation itself to live out his days in peace
He immune to plot manipulation
oh nice video, but can u tell us which heroes who can defeat dr manhattan?
Uhhh he’s like matched with pre retcon beyonder in the first comics
I subbed like your videos
Didn't Lucifer get his powers back in the last issue of the new Lucifer series? The one written by Holly Black.And Lucifer killed The Presence in that series. Even after The Presence gave Lucifer his powers back. Just a thought.
Batwoman vs Black Widow
Daredevil vs Dr Mid-Nite or Talon
Nightwing vs Stormshadow
Typhoid Mary vs Deathstroke
Batgirl vs Silver Sable
black widow
idk
idk
deathstroke
batgirl
Deathstroke
(sorry, I answered the others already)
How bout deadshot vs comedian, ghost rider vs dr fate and hyperion vs geo force?
Black Widow
Daredevil (stomp against talon)
Nightwing I guess but I only know stormshadow from the movies
Deathstroke
Batgirl
IConic _19 I think Deathstroke's gear puts him above Comedian. Dr. Fate over GR and IDK on the last one
@@royparks4265 deathstroke? I said deadshot
Given his past few videos I was surprised it would go this way.
Now this is an interesting battle .
it is true that beyonder is much powerful, but this is a situation where more powerful doesn't necessarily wins. if the beyonder doesn't kill lucifer in an instant and gives lucifer time, lucifer would edge over beyonder. lucifer has used manipulation every time to outsmart any of his opponents regardless of power successfully. hence he is omniscient i.e, he can't lose if he is omniscience and if he losses he is no more omniscient
beyonder can't kill Lucifer even if he tried Lucifer is much more powerful
Biased asf@@drybackwoods2960
This is a good matchup. Lucifer Morningstar and Pre Recton Beyonder are each the 2nd most powerful beings, after TOAA and the presence (i know i know, there is a character even higher than the presence known as the writer, but the writer is so transcendental that it is hard to even include him)
1st. The Presence
2nd. Elaine Belloc
3rd. The Great Evil Beast
4th. Michael Demiurgos
5th. Lucifer Morningstar
@@breezycramheartz3066 Lucifer is prob above michael
@@johnthegamerman404 Lucifer lost to Michael
@@breezycramheartz3066 but michael was killed by lucifer once too
@@breezycramheartz3066 Lucifer has been confirmed to be the great evil beast. I can't remember where thought
This is one of the most intriguing match ups I've seen discussed... and a great video! 🙏🏻 ... If the Beyonder was doing as he normally prefers, and scaling his powers back enough to "play by the rules" (stay within the bounds of space-time, albeit with true blocktime awareness), and Lucifer did what he normally prefers NOT to do and used HIS blocktime omniscience abilities to their fullest... Lucifer would creatively outclass the Beyonder and would likely make use of "dark arts" the Beyonder fears to trap him or take him out of his element for a far easier victory over the "child god". If the Beyonder did not scale back his abilities to fit the situation, however, it does not take much creativity to simply will even an admittedly extremely powerful being such as Lucifer out of existence within their own reality whenever you are able to manipulate the fabric of said reality from outside. Give Lucifer a minute or so to persuade the Beyonder to play by the rules of his reality and Lucifer wins, if not... Beyonder wins "before" Lucifer even knows they fought/ will fight / would have fought/ never fought because... 😂😂🤣
I would give it to beyonder because Beyonder has only been outsmarted when in his 3rd dimensional form (human form) while in his Real form he is omniscient too he entered marvel universe wanting to experience human nature so he depowered himself.
Next do Lucifer VS Mastered Ultra Instinct Shaggy
Shaggy is above Thanos with all of its gadgets including hotu so..... shaggy > lucifer
Shaggy is basically the brother of God
Lucifer coughed a little. Shaggy absorbed the power of that cough, then he proceeded to beat the shit out of the Marvel Universe.
Lucifer: It works all the time.
TOAA : creates Infinite bigbangs
Shaggy : *Wasted*
The way I see it, is that while he can can outsmart the Beyonder, he let Doom have his power, so he would maybe initially get outsmarted but as he is outright power, and above Michael IMO; he should overpower Lucifer.
I don't think you've read enough lucifer comics....
And beyonder
Do one on dream of the endless plsss!!1
Lucifer's weaknesses Beyonder doesn't have: he does have certain limitations as he is still a creation of God; chiefly, he cannot create something out of nothing, unlike his Creator or brother. In some ways, this makes him the most disadvantaged, though not the weakest, of the higher angelic host. He needs existing matter (and where that is unavailable, the Demiurgic power of the Archangel Michael or that of God Himself) to provide the foundation for him to shape. In certain dimensions for reasons unknown, he is powerless and his mobility is limited without his wings. He is also not unbeatable as Basanos was able to kill him with probability manipulation.
Lucifer actually can create matter he did make his own universe as part of one of the universes in the mutiverse
The beyonder is literally stated to be omniscient by Peter Parker and the beyonder started himself to “omniscient usually” I feel like people forget that the beyonder purposely depower and turns off some of his omnipotent and omniscient abilities so he can experience humanity the most natural way possible beyonder even stated he needs to stop using his power so when people say oh Lucifer can make himself die with his omniscient that’s if the beyonder has his omniscient turned off during the fight
Yea the beyonder curious about humanity! Yes the beyonder did traverse the infinite marvel verse but that’s because he was in it. We are talking about a fight 1 on 1 in a neutral space with these 2 meeting each other and then fighting you really believe me he beyonder is going to be curious when he is fighting Lucifer or worried about where he is no
Yea if the beyonder turns off his omniscient while he is talking to Lucifer yes he may die that’s a big MAY because for 1 how is the beyonder goin to Kill himself if his literally omnipotent
True
Lucifer is greatest deciever. He never goes for combat, plus the pre retcon beyonder is dumb, the whole storyline made no sense, so he was retconed. Lucifer is nigh omnipotent
I am omnipotent because I was Marvel's first attempt to create TOAA. I could wipe all existence. I could wipe marvel with a tought. Every single thing I imagined turned out to be reality..
@@preretconbeyonder6090 but thats past now, justice should be served to beyonder and moleculeman. Power downgrade is stupid, should have been kept atleast the the level of LT.
If you were omnipotent,then how did you get retconned?Oh wait,you are not.You were just leagues above everyone in the entire marvel multiverse.But not omnipotent.
@@Insugod I let myself by tricked , ask that to the writer. I was the most powerful being in al marvel, I was marvel s fist attempt to be a TOAA, I could wipe multiverses just by thinking of them. I could have ended all existence if I wanted. Maybe I am not 100% omnipotent, but its debatable
+Pre Retcon Beyonder you should ask that to the Lucifer writer and what he actually stated for Lucifer lmao
thesatanicscholar.com/2016/01/19/why-vertigos-lucifer-morningstar-matters-pt-4-of-4/
You got that one right for sure.
The most powerful is (Gods) The one above all and the presence, these are the creator of all creation, the multiverse and everything
The Beyonder and shoulder pads another 80s creation that just can't be beat! 80s just like the Beyonder are eternal and the best!
You should do a matchup between molecule man vs monarch/ captain atom
I don't think you understand how omnipotence works. If Beyonder doesn't want to die, then he isn't going to die. It doesn't matter how much power or effort Morningstar puts into his attacks on Beyonder; they won't kill him. An omnipotent being can't be killed except by itself. Beyonder even stated that he can't be killed except by his consent. Doom stole his powers because he wanted his powers stolen. He enjoyed messing with the established order in order to discover how the Marvel multiverse worked.
I mean, Molecule Man, the guy that was easily more powerful than all the abstracts including the Living Tribunal, said that Beyonder transacts on levels that are unimaginable to him.
Beyonder is equal to TOAA. Hell, Marvel had to fire several employees and then retcon the character because he was interfering with TOAA.
Lucifer Morningstar should be up against the Living Tribunal as they're both omniverse threats.
@Supernaturally American Honestly, there's no point in arguing with you because you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about.
The Living Tribunal is omniversal. There's only one Living Tribunal. The Living Tribunal is scared of Beyonder and begged Molecule Man to stop him. Owen Reece himself stated that Beyonder transacts on levels that are unimaginable to him. The creator of Secret Wars, Jim Shooter said that Beyonder was supposed to be the god before genesis, and that the Marvel multiverse was a drop in an ocean that was the Beyond realm.
The idea that Beyonder is just multiversal is laughable. With the exception of other omnipotents, there likely isn't another character in *fiction* that is as powerful as Beyonder. It's why he's often banned in versus battles because the answer is always "beyonder wins."
Lucifer win of course because the detective is not there
Haha
See what u did there hahahhaha
@@daisukep9gi thank
MorningStar Jonathan Not the same.
In TV, he just a mentalist, he as no power, he's dumb & weak.
Pretty sure, Vertigo's Lucifer would have burn Chloe just to not be manipulated by his dad.
After all she has been created by his dad so..
@@thedamned7096 r/woooosh
Thanos army vs Darkseid army
True Darkseid vs IG Thanos
Spectre vs Classic Dr Fate(Spectre isn't at full power)
Celestials vs Horde
Great Evil Beast vs Fulcrum
Thanos army
True Darkseid
Spectre
Horde
i would say Fulcrum
Darkseid army stomps
True darkseid
Spectre
Horde
Great evil beast
IDK
True Darkseid
Spectre
IDK
Fulcrum
Osvaldo Jacobaco feats for true darksied ??
@@mohamedhesham5493 his presence was collapsing the multiverse which is why he uses avatars, he also raided heaven and is a multiversal level threat
both of these characters are so ridiculously powerful that it's pointless to try and even gauge how powerful they are.
I can't stop thinking about Lucifer Netflix I am so sad because we need to wait for 1 bloody year
Mr. Miracle/Big Barda vs Vision and Wanda
Azrael vs Black Panther
Dark Phoenix vs Nekron
DC Outlaws(all members) vs Gotg
Superboy prime vs Gorr
Not sure
Not sure
Nekron takes it if it's pre-52 and onward nekron, he's virtually omnipresent and is the entropy that amped certain dc characters in the past 2.bp.blogspot.com/TkNhYF7HQM2ICdIB8eeoae9PXmHNuBuDxdmiK1Ewh3L57HdnyKSZFN533nmgnnK5cXbdpw5lqwJEYA=s1600
Gorr has necro sword right? If so he should win
@@wakingup6382 thanks for that link. That pretty much sums it up
Lucifer Morningstar solos easy bruh pre retcon beyonder never even stated to ever be tooa bruh come at me bruh
Pr beyonder stomps lucifer while drinking a cup of tea . First of all , Currently , officially , Beyonder is Tier 1a .... Lucifer is just Tier 1b which is way below Beyonder ... secondly , Beyonder was Toaa before toaa .... it has been stated everywhere . Its either youre blind or too ignorant ... thirdly , he was Toaa in his omniverse which was a million times bigger than the marvels omniverse .. dont beleive me? Go research it up fool (:
Lucifer on the other hand stated he was afraid of SF darkseid 🤣🤣🤣 omfg ... he fled away to his void .. he was afraid of UB spectre as well .... and dont get me started about how a pussy was he when he avoided GEB 😂😂 come at me BRUH
Knocc Out
FOOOOOOOOOLLL lucifer never even done dat bruh micheal one shot unbound Spectre and lucifer is jus the same level as micheal bruh
Knocc Out
Nah huh it already proven he jus a nigga in a pocket universe he not even tooa bruh
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Knocc Out beyonder was afraid of doctor strange 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think if you possess curiosity, you can't be omnipotent. If your powers can be stolen from you without you being able to predict it or prevent it, you can't be omnipotent.
Fax
He should've done the Beyonders vs Lucifer it would've been more of a fair fight
Epic... so epic.
Probably the most powerful characters DanCo has ever pitted against each other.
The Thing vs Korg
Daredevil vs Moon Knight
Aquaman vs Hawkman
Hawkeye vs Huntress
Domino vs Black Cat
Black Bolt vs Blue Marvel
Black Panther vs Booster Gold
War Machine vs Steel
Suicide Squad vs Sinester Six
Thing
Well, moon knight has already beaten him, so he wins
Aquaman
Huntress
Domino wrecks
Blue marvel stomps
Black panther
Steel
Suicide squad
How about comedian vs deadshot, Dr fate vs ghost rider and geo force vs hyperion?
IConic _19 you can’t make a being serving true justice repent so most likely Dr. Fate beats ghost riders
This a good one
Also his insane powers of will power. Literally willing whatever he wants.
Lucifer vs John Constantine
John is in no way shape or form comparable to Lucy. He was utterly destroyed by dr manhattan
What type of fuck shit question is this Lucifer Stomps
This is a weak match up. Lucifer Morningstar is a "Divine" being, Beyonder is a "'Cosmic" being. Lucifer will crush the Beyonder like a mosquito. Beyonder losses big time!!!!!
Brett Jackson Beyonder is not a cosmic being
@@buddyoldboykiddo2031 then what is he? I'm not trying to be rude I'm actually just curious lmao
Who tf told you the beyonder is a cosmic being the beyonder is a beyond Multiversal being it has been stated he could destroy all of reality and then snap it all back into existence
Holyrooster gaming he is not cosmic being He is just something beyond Cosmic being. Cosmic beings are low characters like eternity when compare to him. He is just some BEYOND cosmic beings
Daleking 117 It never said he was a cosmic being, cosmic beings are below the Living Tribunal even OBLIVION is the Living Tribunal’s bitch
I see LUCIPHER as Champion..for many more reasons...but it does bring up a very good vs...
Divine beings vs Cosmic beings
Lucifer not lucipher
Lucifer morningstar flew off the comic book page cuz he wanted to🤯 that feat speaks for itself
Demonbane vs. Cathone
Current Molecule Man vs. The Voice
Living Tribunal vs. First Firmament
Protege vs. Cosmic Armor Superman
Mandrakk vs Pre Retcon Beyonder
Demonbane
leaning towards the voice
Stalemate
Stalemate
Beyonder
Demonbane
Me
Stalemate
Stalemate
Pre Retcon Beyonder
How it going oblivion...
Molecule Man everything is going smooth this way, how are you? Been in any fights lately?
@@trueformoblivion3518 nah chilling in my Quesi Reality playing with my Omniverse in a box...
Lucifer and micahael cannot die and Michael isn't dead he was absorbed by ellaine plus even death of the endless admitted he can kill her without any side effect so saying beyonder is stronger than Lucifer is wrong. You need to correct that if you want scan I can provide.
dude u joking right
@@Toddles he's right
Immanuel Classified very right
Do more like this op character love your videos
Iron Fist vs Fist of the North Star
Judge Dredd vs the Punisher
Master Chief vs Predator
Sentry vs Rogul Dorn
I think even without convincing him Lucifer could still win in a physical fight. This is what I mean. While the beyonder has unlimited power, Lucifer has unlimited ability to warp that power into absolutely anything. So the second the beyonder unleashes his power in whatever means he does it, whether it be an energy blast or even an attempt to send lucifer to one of those realms you mentioned, Lucifer can access the energy behind the power that is being used and transform it into anything he wishes, like a puppy, or something else that's completely harmless. Or he can even go further and turn the Beyonder's attack against him to where the Beyonder would be attacking himself
This is basically exactly what he did with Michael to create the DC Universe
im. not really sure but. maybe ur right
but u know what Lucy has will of god
basically he can create a army. of beyonders in his favour
Remember Lucifer cant create something out of nothing
And that is exactly it. If it exists, it can and will be manipulated by the best in the biz. And something tells me if lucifer wanted the power of the beyonder, he would have it. That wouldn't be any fun for him though
nO MICHEAL CREATES SOMETHING FROM nothing not lucifer beyonder is basically lucifer and micheal combined
Big mismatch a better one would be living tribunal or molecule vs Lucifer and Michael I honestly think pr will laugh at lucifers power
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wait but since lucifer and beyonder are both above death doesn't that mean that they can't lose? meaning stalemate? or beyonder gives up? idk just a tbeory
Does anyone think The Presence VS Beyonder is a more fair fight?
My cosmic Cube version gets oblirated. But c'mon dude. I was millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse combined. I was TOAA before TOAA was mentioned. I was omnipotent, Lucifer isn't. Bullshit
You win
This one will end in stalemate
Pre Retcon Beyonder
You win easily,
anyone saying otherwise dosn't understand what Omnipotent means.
The pre retcon beyonder was the plot it self and you can't beat plot
You are dumb thats why!! Lucifer is also nigh omnipotent