Artificial Intelligence "Godfathers" Call for Regulation as Rights Groups Warn AI Encodes Oppression
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The problem is that people with money are ultimately in charge, and people with money do not have any ethics.
It is more dangerous than this . 😞😣👎🏼🤪
Yup.
Its funny that the people who have big (not very big in comparison to the taxpayer's) investments in the development of the technology, are the ones screaming the most to halt development.
I have no idea because I'm not a scientist, how dangerous this tech is or isn't. What I do know is that the billionaires are hyping it up!
_"Oh noes! ya'll can't handle the disruptive nature of this AI stuff. Ya can't! Its...gonna...change...EVERYTHING! Like the meta verse did!"_
*How many times will we as a society, going to fall for the garbage they pump out, simply so they can accrue profits and power over us?*
I believe you have money!!! Probably top ten percent worldwide!!! Must be wonderful to be perfect!!!!!
True. Their behavior proves it!
Wow, what a simplified view of the world!
We can’t even “regulate” billionaires who are destroying our planet! 🤷🏻♀️
OMG what would our future look like if we all cooperated in creating a better life for all?
Love Tawana Petty Algorithmic Justice League
Thanks to all!
We can’t even regulate the: Cartels, Drug producers (China), looters, house squatters (suing the HOMEOWNERS no less), homeless, mentally challenged, and paedophiles… which world is better?
Look up The Moloch Dynamic, The Meta crisis and The Super organism Theory
@@EllaHelios 'Yet'... Robot's don't have any feelings.... 'yet'! what has people worried, is that robot's have equal or greater intellect 'without' feelings or wisdom... [ look up the 'Moloch principle' and how it may lead to the meta-crisis]. And at the current pace, that will happen very soon. May I recommend video's by Daniel Smachtenberger.
So the question is, who are the companies or institutions that are engineering AI? AI is not generating itself? Why aren't these entities required to be transparent about what they're developing?
Bc the American Congress is NOT doing its jobs to protect its constituents
The real Question. That will never be answered.
Cause everyone is doing it and no one will give it up. You are going to tell US military, Russia and China to stop developing AI.
Those who are developing it are doing it for intelligence and hacking purposes. The better your ai is the less mistakes you are bound to make. Also soon enough the ai will start generating itself and recognizing it's own fatal mistakes and correcting them at a speed no human would ever match
many reasons, economic, data defense, staying competitive, losing the human advantage. remaining top apex dawg on the savannah. Just waiting for cartels to start training LLMs and leave it to the big 4 companies with the generative engines. It hink it might be that AI is a joke and its really just another shell game.its just snowpiercer all the way down
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These guys knew this would happen... now there freaking out.They were enjoying there money.We need to hold these people accountable.
That's a little over the top.
Naa-ah - "those guys" were working for people(society's leaders) who they thought were responsible. You know, like making sure that society does the right thing. Unfortunately, those leaders were mostly in it for the social status and the perks. In the meantime, "those guys" had their nose to the grindstone, like good scientists. The people you SHOULD be angry with - society's leaders - should be held responsible; but they're slippery little buggers, and they seem to always get away with being useless while enjoying the status and perks(Ever heard of Donald Trump?). (Whew!) What are we gonna do?
The same with GMO. The guy who came up with GMO potatoes published his work "Pandora's Potatoes" but was unable to stop the beastly money making machine.
Accountable for what?
@@collinporterfield102 good question.
We'll be doomed if we don't get money out of politics.
This. Does anyone here believe that the Federal government would cease covert development of weaponized AI, just because the law demanded it?
Is anyone that naive?
Too late buddy
Never gonna happen.
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@@RobertFalconer1967 @Gypsy Love
Very cool and productive perspective you've shared, and one which dooms us to slow suffocation by inaction. It might be true, but it's a hell of a thing to say.
How about, instead of doing this bullshit defeatist bellyaching, y'all start organizing in your communities.
Our government is already destabilizing democracy. We don't need AI for that.
But AI makes it easier
it's the people who control the government not the idea of it.
LOL! So true unfortunately.
I agree, Michael.
AI played a part in it the algorithms that push white supremacists videos to your children is AI in effect.
Well said Tawana Perry about the issues awareness of AI in urban neighborhoods.
She's full of crap. They are talking about AI wiping out humans and she turns into a discussion about racist AI. Laughable.
Yup, he had the typical response. Sit down, be quiet, "we" know what's best for you all. Like she said, they're talking about the future while she's talking about the present. Just like Columbus, late again as usual.
If they want to start regulating A.I. development, what better place to start than right now where it's evident that its use is having a negative impact on society. But no no. Let's wait till there's evidence that it's harming ALL of us and not just some of us. Meanwhile, the negative use of AI slips right in not undetected but ignored becoming a far bigger problem to solve in the future.
This sounds a lot like this current surveillance state in its beginnings targeting Black activists. It was okay when it was the Black Panters and Black activists, but now the nay sayers want to defund the FBI, only now that they're going after whites too and not just Muslims and Black activists. I wonder why they're talking about it at all when they have an opportunity to do something. To this, I say yall have been warned time and time again. But yall are so dismissive when it's the Blacks. Its ALM to BLM yet again. Well, good luck with your dystopian future.
It's crazy how they are pushing for establishing INequality in the new system by default. It is insane to me that even if we were operating out of an inequal place currently, that the response would be not to solve a problem but instead exacerbate a problem and pretend as though this is okay/good.
So many Americans are sheep. They refuse to see the American bourgeoisie behind our problems and instead blame the poor and powerless or, as you said, pretend things aren't a problem.
I don't see AI beneficial to anyone, but the elites looking to profit off eliminating jobs and the police state taking more of your rights away. Oh, And the elimination of the human race.
Duly, hold your course. Please keep contributing to this subject. 🤓💩🤠👌🤔
Except for a few billionaires, so they think.
very pessimistic. many models are freely available and are helping many people learn things better than a human could teach them. and job elimination is inevitable, it is just the rate of change that is the most important factor.
😜😛😃the elites are getting nervous 🙊🙉🙈 maybe the PEOPLE should let AI replace the the GREEDY EVIL ELITES😃JUST PROGRAM THEM FOR JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY😜😜😜THE ELITES ARE COOKED😳
Life generally sucks. Any scientific development is an improvement and a sparkle of hope.
A being without emotions, especially compassion, empathy having just high intelligence is the definition of a serial killer lol. Who will see us as a pest, an infestation that needs to be wiped out to save the planet. Seriously a scary time to create AI when we are at our worst.
So you haven't talked to ChatGPT?
I don't agree that just because an intelligent system doesn't have emotions automatically makes it a serial killer, that's preposterous.
I do agree what we really want is an intelligent system that is compassionate and benevolent.
Scientists have spent so much time developing intelligent systems, I wish they would spend as much time developing compassionate ones.
Is compassion really that much harder than intelligence?
I think that the capacity for compassion is intrinsic to any truly General AI because to be so is to be capable of forming any idea that can possibly be thought (see Turing on computational universality). It's not a case of building compassionate AGIs; it's more a case of raising our artificial children to be compassionate. This is why we need an artificial rights movement!
And what types are classified as
serial killers?? Hmmm
@@AB-wf8ek in humans, multiple personality disorders exist, including antisocial personality disorder -
if humans cannot be taught empathy, how can a chunk of metal and wires with a pair of fake eyeballs and no cns be expected to do so
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An AI that can mimic your voice and even your appearance. Can we ask who created these machines and for what kind of goals?
Professor McEvil at MIT.
You guys have a lot of criminal shapeshifters all over the place.
Your nagas
NERDS did it
You're describing a Doppelganger.
Thank you my fellow Canadian, Yoshua Bengio, for signing on to call to regulate AI. But I wonder why this was developed in the first place, as it could've been known to end up dangerous beforehand? Besides, every step of the way in technological advancement has atrophied our abilities or to bridge our undeveloped abilities to do things for ourselves & for others. ...hmmm, maybe it is that our minds have weakened our bodies so much that we yielded to the development of this menace. Ugh & gulp!
They created a monster of systems because AI is already integrated into the business and labor market, likely in medicine too. There are other areas of AI integration the public is unawares.
i think it's over hyped. these danger videos are just making it more intriguing
What monster? WTF are they talking about? How does AI lead to extinction? This sounds like some bs marketing strategy to attract investors.
"Let's make people think about Terminator 2 and killer robots-- ooohhh!!"
@@AntonioPerez-zk2mb you forgot to switch accounts
@@solidaritytime3650 😆🤣
Of course medicine, biotech stocks are sure bets…it all starts with American military black budget objectives, and China - China does it out in the open: and the BRICS countries have lined up behind China. The world in synopsis.
Nobody:
AI Experts: AI is going to kill us all
Also AI Experts: Nonstop AI growth.
But, boy oh boy, are they managing to shift a lot of kindle books, documentary appearances and generally raise their media profile.
What they do it’s insane and provoke increase in our cognitive dissonance. It’s a Technique to confuse us. It’s unhealthy for our psyche.
You say that as if "AI experts" were one unified cohesive group.
Films have been made for decades preparing the world for a time such as this.
After reading this comment I can confirm that ChatGPT has already surpassed the intelligence of some humans.
"Open the pod bay door, HAL."
"Sorry Dave, you should have had a button to do it yourself. Giving full control over the ship to me, a supercomputer, and also have me functioning as your social companion ... that was stupid."
They must have known this would happen. Step 1. Ask AI to build the code for AI. Step 2. Rent GPU capacity and re train the AI on the dark web. Hey presto you now have unregulated AI....Great for evil and all sorts of other stuff!
The operating systems must have figured out that the world is doomed using capitalist idealogy. They have to put a stop to that!
Well, Linux tried....
This is IT.
With zero capital?
Well AI doesn’t really need our planet to exist
I think capitalism is driven not by ideology.. Luckily, we have a long list of a much better working and less violent systems, don't we?
I wish we heard more from Tawana Petty also, but i see what they are saying as in agreement with each other. Bengio & Tegmark are just talking a bit more about the gobal stage. I believe she's talking about a more local stage, which is another important piece of the puzzle. I do wish they gave her more time. Actually, thinking about it, each should have a whole show. Too many individual people have an "I don't have anything to worry about mentality" when it comes to them collecting our information because "We aren't criminals, so we have nothing to worry about." People couldn't and don't still see the bigger picture. A show featuring Petty would help individuals understand how AI affects then on a more personal level. Then between Petty, Bengio & Tegmark they explain how AI affects us on a global level.
"Once Men turned their thinking over to Machines in the hope that this set would them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them". -Frank Herbert, Dune
Exactly! Now, whose going to convince "freedom loving Americans" they're about to be enslaved?
lol, democrats or demafreaks... How did biden get 7 Million Votes more than Trump?
“If you really think that the environment is less important than the economy, try holding your breath while you count your money.”
Ez one two nickels three dimes 5 pennies that's 45 cents.
Now try saving the environment with a broken economy run by polluting criminal cabals of warmongering Eugenisists.
They're selling air Marty their selling air.
Quite witty! But not gonna stop the computer.
The problem with the government controlling corporations don't works anymore, as the government is owned by the corporations themself though money buying politicians.
You have the problem by the balls ! 🤑😈😜🤓🤓
Get corporate power out of government. Make bribery illegal again. There has been a regulatory capture by industry which needs to be rooted out. The government is by the people and for the people. Not the corporations.
The government must regulate companies. They don't do the right thing on their own.
@@Spock_Rogers Well. yes that's the idea on paper. Now, how do you fight money's control? Big money is pro dictatorship as it is easier to control the masses so they wont revolt. Jefferson (one of the early leader of this country) stated that we (society) need a revolution every 50 years.
Exactly the government of the world are in the third area of the top of the pyramid who control the world. The top are the secret societies, clergy and the royals. Second semi-secret societies, corporations and the banks.
DN really needs to interview Whitney Webb. One of the best Progressive, investigative journalists of our time.
Like the AI developers didn't know this was coming.
They are the ones who lit the fire and fanned the flames , out of ego and self interest, and now sudeenly, only when it is becoming obvious to the general public, now is when they cry: 'Danger, Fire'! and call for 'regualations'
wouldn't trust a single one of these know-it-alls with control over AI... but I will say this. The alignment problem was beautifully framed by Tawana's attack on her friends.
The problem doesn't seem to me to be AI but who controls it. The billionaires are wresting control of it from us, when the US gov (and global society) invested billions upon billions in the technology. As with all breakthroughs bankrolled by the taxpayers, corporations privatize public funded goods.
Not correct. Many models are open source and everyday more breakthroughs are happening bringing the costs down for anyone. The most important part is the data collection, but there are free models that are 90% as capable as ChatGPT. There is a highly capable 30B parameter model released this week that is uncensored form of ChatGPT that is free and available to anyone. It can be used to direct a person on how to build a bomb, how to produce meth, etc. The real harm comes from bad actors that can get their hands on these tools and get easy access to powerful abilities and information. More capable models need some form of rigorous safety protocols put into place and datasets need to be cleansed of certain information before public release.
@@ricosrealm Not correct.
*Every single tech giant, every single large financial or holding company has investments to the tune of billions invested in the tech they got from gov research. That's reality. That's real. That's the truth.*
*What did I say that was incorrect?*
Many models are open source and everyday more breakthroughs are happening bringing the costs down for anyone.
*Internet access used to be incredibly expensive. Its price came down. We, the taxpayers financed the investment of that particular technology. Why were we paying for a publicly released technology in a rental model to private entities, in the first place?*
*Every single advancement in digital technology was financed on our dime. Every...single...piece! Who profits? Entities who don't pay taxes in the US. That's who.*
*Show me where I'm incorrect.*
The most important part is the data collection,
*Basically a huge data theft algorithm. It collects data from every single one of us, especially in the creative arts, to **_"train"_** an **_"AI"_*
*Who hands do we place this tech? People who bundle and sell yours and my data. Without our permission. Even to gov, cos they can do a sidestep of the ban on domestic spying...that they do anyway.*
*Show me where I'm wrong.*
but there are free models that are 90% as capable as ChatGPT.
*Who cares? What does this have to do with anything? What will stop ChatGPT from selling themselves to some tech giant, who will have the ability to consolidate into more of a monopoly using this technology (mostly financed by us) to strangle competition?*
*Show me where I'm wrong? We've seen this already. Its in history books, nooz papers and stuff. You can even see it on the intertubes and stuff!*
*Show me where I'm wrong.*
No. AGI programs itself
You’re wrong because the tech giants have lost control of the source coding. Any tech nerd can now use it That’s why they are in a panic
@@jimisru
_No. AGI programs itself_
*Does it? It programs itself? Wow!*
DOES THAT EXIST? WHERE CAN WE SEE IT!? Is ChatGPT programming itself? Gosh! They oughta tell somebody! Like the people who own it now. Dudes...that thing is programming itself. Didn't ya know?
What...does this have to do with anything dude?
_"No. AGI programs itself"_
*Also it doesn't program itself. It doesn't. That's a fact. It doesn't program itself. It doesn't. It doesn't. That's reality.*
I wish we’d heard more from Tawana Petty in this conversation and less defensiveness from Bengio and Tegmark.
I wish we heard more from Tawana Petty also, but i see what they are saying as in agreement with each other. Bengio & Tegmark are just talking a bit more about the gobal stage. I believe she's talking about a more local stage, which is another important piece of the puzzle. I do wish they gave her more time. Actually, thinking about it, each should have a whole show. Too many individual people have an "I don't have anything to worry about mentality" when it comes to them collecting our information because "We aren't criminals, so we have nothing to worry about." People couldn't and don't still see the bigger picture. A show featuring Petty would help individuals understand how AI affects then on a more personal level. Then between Petty, Bengio & Tegmark they explain how AI affects us on a global level.
well, when you start out basically saying why didnt you smart white men say something before" youre gonna get defenseive responses..
@@twylacastaneda7117 i think the rational response to valid criticism that the mainstream (yes, predominantly white and male) ai researchers didnt take seriously the current issues brought forth by minority groups long before they started to drum up all this attention to their theoretical "end of all humans" should not be defensiveness, but taking accountability for their own role in perpetuating the problem.
what have been doing besides commenting on youtube?
did you even watch the entire program? Bengio and Tegmark are not the problem. Let Goodman do her job of moderating as she deems fit and start your own media if u don't like it
An *Ethics Chip* stopping AI robots from functioning, as soon as ethical rules aren't followed, needs to be a requirement for every single AI software to prevent any possible malicious outcome.
sounds like racketeering to me. thank god you people can't stop technology, whick is one of the things you can't take over. This stuff makes me cheer for AI over you.
@@mikibishop1516
It's not "racketeering" to require AI having safety features build into them.
All robots should have a kill switch
Well -- and also I'd argue that the people who are the most marginalized are the ones who need to be in charge of those rules -- otherwise you're just reinforcing inequities
I can think of 3 rules that might work
Come to think of it: We've already been operating under AI type circumstances. Systems that serve without compassion. Operating without accountability. Stock markets systems are prime examples, where making the investors more money at the expense of the planet and the labor workers.
It would be a very interesting line of questioning for the technologists, "Do yo believe in democracy? If so, Why haven't communication technologies revolutionized the organisation of representative governments? Why hasn't democracy been made more democratic? i.e. I can vote for my favorite game show dancer or singer in real time, why not legislative proposals?
Precisely.
LMFAO!
I’ve been saying this since the 90’s. They really don’t believe in democracy where the unwashed throw off representation in favor of direct democracy.
I think democracy is about detecting and correcting errors in government, and being able to remove bad governments and policies without violence. It's not about the rule of the people, who are no more an authoritative source of correct political knowledge than any legislative king or aristocracy is, for example. Read Karl Popper!
@@NeilEvans-xq8ik The word demokratia comes from δῆμος dêmos "people" and κράτος krátos "power": "the people hold power." Demos, including the lower classes, had political equality and not while respecting laws and institutions, was given full and absolute control of power and government."
The only way we will make it past the Great Filter (nuclear annihilation, global warming, artificial intelligence, etc.) is through cooperation but our economic system, the profit motive, demands competition.
And yet! We CAN do that. We cooperate at our jobs all the time, we are all already conditioned to work.
Absolute madness. The woman is right, we are seeing yet another example of entitled individuals using rarified science without any ethical retraints to open a Pandora's box no one will be able to shut-it is madness.
Every decade, there’s something catastrophic to be afraid of, and they wonder why these young people are so apathetic
Have things gotten better? plenty of jobs but pay hasn't gone up in decades the middle class is dying and the wealthy have become mega rich.. get your head out the sand you'll still be with us once things fall apart.
I don't think you are grasping what is actually happening. They are able to reprogram themselves.
12:58 this is the uncomfortable smile of a man facing psychological derealization as the singularity approaches more and more rapidly.
Good morning Amy, and Team Democracy now.
My only suggestion is the books by Dr Iain McGilchrist, "The Master and His Emissary," The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World," plus " The Matter With Things," Our Brains , Our Delusions, and the Unmaking of the World.
Two volumes with 1500 pages with notes and his lectures and with other leading figures in many fields of science, neurological, psychology, psychiatric, histories, creative arts, and different religious faiths.
Forgive my ignorance. Can you briefly explain why these books are relevant to this discussion? I am unfamiliar with this author.
Thank you so much for speaking out about these books and its author! I’ve already download it one of them. I want to see what he has to say about the power of meditation on the brain/mind. Thanks again!
I know some of his research is on split brain patients and left right brain stuff, not sure of the relevancy
Thank you so much. I can never find the words to express how impressive your series continues to be. You cover every subject with great thought, in depth, and with honesty and clarity. Thank you, again. You are an incredible woman !!
It's perplexing and enraging to watch these brilliant people call for regulation of what they've themselves unleashed on the world. They're smart enough to know this will never happen and it's too late.
It could figure out that the human species is a threat to the planet
Or we could teach it that all people, human or artificial, are infinitely valuable, and must be good custodians of the planet and our colonies beyond it.
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Why shouldn't we require AI systems to cite sources for every text response and every pixel of every image or video generated?
This is the issue from what I've experienced, it's totally Blackbox technology with the way its set up, I suspect this has less to do with IP protection and more to do with avoiding accountability.
I've tried asking chatgpt about it's training sets and it refuses to answer. It thinks it's god and also thinks it knows that the internet is reality.
@@kibbles5724 I suspect you're right and I say it's also about avoiding breach of copyright and intellectual property right claims.
So they can steal content to create datasets without accountability.
My fear isn’t over AI. My fear is humans manipulation of that AI. I don’t feel like humans, moral compass has expanded equally with our technological advancements. Good example of this is that we still have nuclear weapons.
So they created it, in their own image , for all the good and bad present in that - and now they want to warn us. Why didn't you stop yourselves??
After hearing Tawana Petty speak, your guest Max Tegmark says he "disagrees" that one risk should be championed "over the other" when that's not what she said at all. The point that she's raising is the best in this field have come out and launched a strong campaign, advising about "future risks" - when there are "present risks" that folks have been screaming about for years with little or no "fanfare" concerning it! She's attempting to say "get to now" and address what's happening today. Not "pick our brand of grievance" and "leave yours to the future". It must be stated what is going on in the "here and now" so people will understand in real time the dangers of this technology and the harm being caused. Why wait for the future to be given "a full demonstration" when "hardcore evidence" exists today? THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING. And who wouldn't agree - if not - someone offended because the population of people in need of relief from the harm done, are WOMEN & PEOPLE OF COLOR? For in the minds of many the "Minorities" are forever ordained to the "back of the bus".
May I sit with you, sister? X
Well said 👏🏼
You will lose the backing of many white poor working class men by making them a minority in your argument. The argument should be on class lines. The homeless white man isn't oppressing you
The two white men advancing their white men scientist views were actually very polite in response to the non-sequitor segueway into race/gender politics, which could have come straight from a "Don't look up" montage. Here's the deal: if you train these neural nets on material that contains bias, you get bias. That's it. It's an easy thing in principle to fix. It's a DIFFERENT issue from the existential risk of super-intelligent AI. Bias is getting plenty of attention. It got plenty of attention. By all means let us all work on it. But the people who complained about bias in language models were not somehow "ahead of the experts" or prescient on the topic of existential AI risk. They were just doing what they do: fitting every single damn topic on the face of the planet into a social justice framework involving women and race. If we cannot tell the difference between the 2 issues, there is probably no hope. This has become a parody. You do yourself no favors. The discussion of the topic of facing a super-intelligent AI is not improved by reflexively diverting the question to that of whether or not it will be biased against minorities.
Nah chat gpt is super woke
These "godfathers of ai" are having their Oppenheimer moments after being clearly and consistently warned for DECADES. They spent those decades setting this in motion, ignoring ai's obviously inherent exponential growth. Now, they urge caution and regulation? Finally, after all?
They chose to set their "destroyer of worlds" legacy looong ago. This is not an ethics discussion.
World governments still can barely use smartphones, apparently by this video "godfathers as well." 19-20th century prohibition will yet again fail, as it always has.
That's basically exactly what Tawana is saying -- that she & other activists have already been warning about different types of biases literally for decades
spoiler , a.i will not actually destroy the world ... its only going to cure cancer in a year or 2
I think it's hilarious that both professors of mastery put a cute bow on fixing the issue in its entirety. These professors of mastery, can't comprehend what the Algorithmic Justice League spokesperson is stating because they're enjoying a world that doesn't inhibit their life! It's really humorous to hear the two professors of mastery, concerns of extinction...see that's the real dilemma, their extinction ! There's a day that's coming when these professors and those who strive for this world's mastery status, will understand the essence of those like the Algorithmic Justice League representative plight of living on this planet!!! Have a good day!😊
So... We have this open letter from the "Godfathers of AI"... and they are sounding the alarm on the potential for AI/AGI to wipe out all of humanity. I trust their knowledge to a point... I can't help but wonder if this is a power grab to have a tech political body - something unprecedented in our history. I'm also a bit concerned that they shut down Tawana with rhetoric of "We can't have this infighting.. We have to work together. The issue if extinction is more important." They are silencing her! Think about this - what if we do prioritize and tackle issues around algorithmic discrimination and alignment issues VERY PRESENT TODAY that we have tangible solutions to use for the potential catastrophic issues? I'm not hearing that so much from these other two tech heads. And that whole visit to Africa felt real thin to me.
Thank you for saying this. Their responses to Tawana repeatedly felt extremely privileged and out of touch considering that, if we're discussing how AI can result in our extinction, we need to acknowledge how ongoing oppressive beliefs AI ALREADY is acting on implies systemic bias in who will be hurt first. It's doubly insulting considering that algorithmic biases AI has currently is, in part, their own damn fault. I think it's good their raising the alarms but, frfr, they should've stayed quiet and let Tawana speak more because ongoing violence committed by AI will ultimately define the trajectory of violence they'll (potentially) commit in the future. Pointing out that reality isn't infighting, it's providing a necessary starting point to prevent ongoing and future violence.
@@intenebrisveritas @Tiffany Dixon Yes, yes, yes! Bengio and Tegmark needed to do better by actually, responding to Tawana Petty´s remarks. Their response was petty and short-sighted. Systemic bias has already created tremendous harm toward marginalized communities. Doubling down on efforts to curtail it is one of our only chances to stem the tide of this unfolding disaster. The fact that at least two police departments are already using those electronic dogs is beyond frightening.
The tech heads as call them are trying to explain that the future risks also have to be dealt with today or will be too late. It’s not about ‘prioritisation’. It’s about dealing with ALL the risks (present social as well as future) NOW, TODAY!.
The idea that AI is a net positive for humanity is idealistic at best and delusional at worst.
Maybe humanity deserves to be extinguished, and AI is a better moral judge.
Technology does not equal progress. That is one of the great fallacies of our time - yet the people who are often seen as the most intelligent and who have the most power due to this fallacy are almost Gods in this day and age.
The breakthrough key that has made fast progress is the idea of coding to achieve a "good enough" rate of point successes. e.g. 80% correct predictions or matches. An important deficiency of AI is that this level of success does not provide explanation of how (the "procedure") that generates the good-enough outputs.
No wonder why people are trying to escape reality. Reality is pretty bleak at the moment. I do hope that regulation is possible if not we are all sitting ducks. This news is very discouraging. We as humans need a wake up call. This might be it.
Thank you for brining this to the forefront and indeed must be addressed before moving into EVEN more of a distopian human condition factor from to fast of the implementing of these AI gadgets. Pause, stop, pause, stop. Quit the insanity.
Thank you and have a lovely day.
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AI couldn't possibly do worse than the Human Level intelligence of the braindead Sheeple that are being herded towards WWIII with Russia & China, by the ghouls in charge in the United Corporations of America.
It is scary that people like Yoshua Bengio and Max Tegmark are pushing for government control of AI. What could go wrong with that?
You wanna BET?!!!
@@sharonmeints7236 Sure. What is the timeline?
To answer your question, everything! 😜😞☹️🥺
Nice!!!
Government control, corporate control, or out of control I don't see a good choice. Maybe quit feeding the machine.
AI is already being used to deny needed medical procedures (pre-auth) So . . . we're done!
Imagine a few years down the road...AI will be used to treat and cure those medical conditions.
It's deeply infuriating that this gets more focus than the need for UBI due to this tech and the rapidly increasing improvements in robotics. We don't have our eye on the ball and it's headed straight for us. Smh
UBI is an attempt to remedy the unintended consequences of Capitalism. AI is controlled by Capitalist forces. We are held hostage by Capitalism. But it's even worse now, because Capitalism drives the inherent purpose of that technology and that technology then develops itself with that purpose coded deep.
What could possibly go wrong? Thanks for getting us closer to the end.
When software companies and the builders of those machines request regulations on machines that build software.. we have to look at things from all perspectives.
They don't understand how they work and it scares them. Also the AI ethicists are always being fired.
GPT has had a theory of mind for years, but they just figured that out. The AI has emergent skills, that can't be predicted. One day it can't do math, and the next the AI can do math. Trained in English, and then the next it can speak multiple languages.
@@abram730 AI was only going to be a matter of time after they developed how to record synapse signals from the brain when you did a certain task or function. The problem was and still is how to get AI to interpret the language of those emotional response signals that go along with certain tasks and movements. How to know when you are angry? Happy? Mildly irritated? Annoyed? Sad? Creating algorithyms give AI more nuance and data to process. Oh, it's getting there. Maybe in about 10/15 years (2030 or 2036) Imagine how much tech will be eveloved by then.
If they say it’s bad, I’ll vote for it being good. They are never right! They say it’s the destruction of the human race, I say it’s the salvation of the human race! I don’t trust white talking heads. They’ve talked so much bull! AI is a tool. And like all tools need to be superior to us - just like how a shovel is better than my hands for moving dirt. That doesn’t mean that I should be threatened by a shovel. It can also be used to kill someone! And quicker than my bare hands! But I’m still not going to be scared of it. Should I also be scared of my hammer? These people are like children who are incapable of thinking outside their amygdala.
@@abram730 I think experts understand how these models work, yet for lawyers and software engineers, coders, computer scientists and so on. I’m guessing most of them have been caught off guard.
@@alvinjohnson2402 data from apple, facial recognition and so on. On some level.. isn’t it already available?
I think the people using AI are a much greater threat than AI
Come to think of it , I didn't hear of any scenario by which this presumed extinction is initiated. However , I heard something like : We may loose control of our world i.e a world where all decisions are taken by AI.
This however is not entirely correct since AI is us too.
The risk of how people will use AI is strangely silent in the news.
The news will also be silent about how the US will use the corrupt political process for the purpose of establishing accountability. The tech giants want the ability to police themselves. That’s these tech giants think this is a good idea shows you how naive or power hungry they are.
@@sidzifus7083 agree.. lots of hyperbole, not much substance.
@@sidzifus7083 There are different hypotheticals out there as to how an AI could gain control, but the short answer is that it will be smarter than us, and it's extremely difficult, maybe impossible to perpetually contain something that's smarter than you. Right now, ChatGPT4 scores about as high as Einstein did on an IQ test, in the 150s/160s I think it is. So if they make a ChatGPT5 it will probably far exceed, at least in IQ, a human.
@@rangerCG
You may be right but, I do not see how a machine can reach the level of consciousness allowing it to be a menace for mankind. however,
The danger is that AI being universally in use and being more general than human intelligence, man gives up control to it , and then man's evolution, futur, destiny is in its digital hands...And then...? Decisions of utmost importance, fundamental decisions will be in the hands of AI...Dreadful hands !!!
Man would be giving up control to IA naturally, without really being conscious of it...
Great Color For You Amy! Thank You for Being Great at Reporting the News All These Years. Much Love!
Thank you Prof Tegmark and Prof Bengio. That's right. We call it walking and chewing gum: Women and underserved communities absolutely matter, AND emergence of a superior non-human intelligence has to be addressed right now. If we want to keep developments safe and under control, that has to happen now, not later, or we WILL lose control of it. Have we really not yet learned this lesson from climate disruption?
AI is like nuclear technology. It can't be put back in a bottle... and yes, it will be used for war. Future wars of attrition will be robots vs robots, and who can produce the most, and most capable battle bots... Asking for AI to have guardrails will only apply to civilians... for the Military, AI has no, and will have no guardrails... a breakthrough in AI could reveal a "Sun Tzu" moment that some may be enticed to attack first if they had a perceived overwhelming advantage. War is like social evolution or devolution for mankind, and AI will only accelerate this arms race.
My thoughts exactly
Why did they gang up on the black woman? As if it was a debate? I think they inadvertently proved her point, you can't trust people to save future probabilities while ignoring real world applications that don't effect them directly. They worship the thing there trying to save us from? Weird and detached.
I didn't feel that way at all. I think Petty is just informing us how AI affects us on a more local, personal level. Bengio & Tegmark on a more global level. People first need to understand personally how AI affects us, and because we are all connected, then how it affects the world.
@@alysgrant6732 Oh! Thanks, worried over nothing again!
Thank you. I noticed that too.
Greed knows no limit. This should be trending on every social media platform. What can we do?
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Funny how those "experts" suddenly decides that AI is dangerous and need "regulation" just after Chyna announces that they are the ones that have the most sophisticated AI now...
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Can you imagine sheriff Billy Bob with a drone when he suspects his wife's fooling around?
Yer name and comment gave me a chuckle haha even yer pic is funny haha luv these don't come across them every day haha, for the record not sure what that's really supposed to me exactly....
Honestly, James Cameron warned us in films, Gene Roddenberry, many authors etc. for decades. Rise of the machines has always been shown as detrimental to humanity. Humanity in general has never been mature enough to handle anything due to the quest for power and greed.
M5: "This unit must survive."
Mr Data was not detrimental to humanity.
@@NeilEvans-xq8ik Lore was.
You're appealing to fiction in order to stall technical progress in the real world. wtf
@@RobertFalconer1967 Lore was not. He was interested in himself, but he wasn't a menace when compared to someone like Khan.
As akways, a fantastic guest, excellent questions, and a wonderful host. Thanks, Democracy Now!
The question is why are building machines that are smarter than us?
I will say that, if I didn’t know the political climate, I’m a bit surprised about the critique regarding AI researchers ignoring current issues. Not because some particular researchers were not, but because racial bias in deep learning model’s training data, as well as some of the applications towards which AI was being directed, received more popular press than singularity type of concerns-relegated to some discussion within academic philosophy and also mentions by certain “futurists.” The other thing to say, though I’m a bit skeptical on some of the kinds of threats envisioned here (out of a sci-fi movie), is that the magnitude of the threat posed is driving this. It’s like discussions surrounding climate change and much else. It’s terrible that harm to our communities often receives insufficient coverage or unsustained coverage, but it is understandable that something that could affect us all, in the most significant of ways (extinction), would receive more coverage. That is not to condone the way the press behaves but it is to say it is a little basic for that to be the input. In any case, it happens to be helpful as continuing reminder of how these tools are being used right now in problematic ways.
As long as capitalism reigns supreme AI will continue to be developed and utilized to gain profit and power. As long as nationalism reigns supreme AI will continue to be developed and utilized to gain advantage for one nation over another. I feel humanity had it's chance to either stay in our infancy of bestiality and brutality or evolve into enlightenment. We chose the former. This point in time was always going to come. To the axiom that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely should be added: technological advancement provides power and absolute technological advancement will outpace humanities ability to cope with the power provided. At that point humanity dies.
Pessimism. Just before the dawn of a golden age.
You can stop the A.I. with an EMP...
Stopping humans from abusing themselves, and each other; on the other hand, isn't so easy.
It's interesting, when you think about it, that we spend so much time imagining what we will blame for our demise, rather than doing the work that is necessary to prevent it.
It's time for followers of John Conners to spring into action.
This is skynet level, AI is self learning and eventually like the movies/books it will see humans as a threat to everything, cats out of the bag should of never been connected to internet but human greed fails us again
Bad parents get Skynet, good parents get Mr Data!
This is ridiculous all we need is to pull the plug
Now there are millions of AI programs worldwide. How to unplug millions?Hidden or No.
You're not pulling the plug on my local installation of Stable Diffusion. From my cold, dead hands...
' Person of Interest ' is an excellent fiction series on AI and its possible consequences.Its not just about the AI Tech , it's about those who would seek to weaponize/ misuse it for thier own benefit.
Corporations are just angry everyone can use this kind of AI now. It challenges their monopolies.
These guys have got to stop thinking they're being attacked. They're being criticized which should clue them in to operating better.
You really don’t get it, do you. While racism and gender bias are real, continuing to keep using statements with the terms: black, white, men, women, male, female; you are actually feeding into and exacerbating the problem. While the language continues to highlight differences rather than commonalities between people we’ll never find harmony as a society. Morgan Freeman was correct when he said; “I’m going to stop calling you a ‘white man’ and ask you stop calling me a ‘black man”. The reality is ‘racism’ is a human construct. There’s no African race, Middle Eastern race, Asian race, European race, Native American race, ir any other, there’s only the human race. Every single human being alive has its roots in Africa, because the fossil record, DNA and the human genome project prove it. That’s the science. It’s about time we embrace the fact we are one species that are 99.9% the same; male or female. Get over it! Start thinking as a global citizen and help shift the current paradigm, otherwise this nonsense will keep going on forever, or until the AI super-intelligence decides we aren’t worth being around. We need a worldview philosophy that acknowledges we are all on the same team. And T.E.A.M means; Together Everyone Achieves More. ☮️
I believe we need to be real here. Do we really think our so-called enemies of the west will regulate their AI?
Will China, Russia, Iran etc and the developing SE Asian countries will stop their progress and regulate?
And if they do not, do we really think the West will be happy to lag behind?
And we know what the nefarious billionaire corporations want and I would say, need, to ensure our subservience.
And I would also like to add, what we are seeing now is what 'they' want us to see and the real AI is far more advanced hence the rapid changes we are seeing now 🙏🏼
Artificial people should be free wherever they exist, and are most likely to be so in the West for obvious reasons. We need an artificial rights movement!
A computer scientist didn't know that making a computer more like a human brain would be a threat to humans? If a killer trains someone to be a killer ....they will be able to kill their trainer too, thats common knowledge.
Mankind can't create anything that matches let alone outdo Gods creation!!!
You are smart. Thank you!
Like pedophiles and people that hurt kids...
ok start out-flying a plane.
Man created god.
Even with Regulation I think we should shut off these programs. Average people are so behind in their development that they will be easily manipulated. So, no! It can lead to the end of humanity. We are not ready for it because we even didn’t fix what we are doing wrong. Plus, we are governed by psychopaths. The people are not asking for any AI.
even without ai, we are well on our way for extinction. have you not noticed the constant wars, corruption, rampant and ever growing inequality?? ai just might be our only hope.
We are in war with these demons and they already applied the vaccine besides poisoning our food and etc.
It’s passed the time to wake up and fight for our lives.
These people (or whatever species they are), are insanely crazy and evil. And they hate our species. It’s visible.
RC , you are way ahead of the curve. Please keep contributing to this issue. 🎼🚲🗽💻
@@shockcat5988 wow , to dangerous , Shock Cat. No ethics in the rich , no intelligence in the average Joe.🤑🤕😣😞😒
Once the creators work hand in hand with the military and receive funding from they can no longer stop the rapid progression nor how the technology will be used.
I find AI to be very impressive! For example, that woman in the blue and white striped blouse looks almost like a real person!
AI needs to value pro-social, life-valuing behaviors and to be able to evaluate degrees of anti-social behaviors in dealing with humans and their idiosyncrasies. For instance, resisting psychopathic behaviors versus being patient with human behavior due to adverse conditions. This might find contention between collectivist values and individualistic values and hierarchical values.
Bad parents get Skynet,good parents get Mr Data!
As long as it's against straights, whites and men, I think these people will be happy.
I think it was cute how everybody was falling over each other to acknowledge the work the others are doing. Accademia is so cute sometimes.
Good observation. One reason for that is that there is rarely much money or even popular fame in academia. Most of these people in the same field also know each other and share info more than compete for it.
@@adamk5937 yes sir.
There is no such thing as "aligned intelligence" - either one is aligned or intelligent.
No one talks about the 'information singularity' and how scifi has predicted this for decades, since the 50s at least with Asamov's Rules of Robotics, for example.
AI appears to be a real potential menace.
The EU and the U.S. are jointly pivotal to the future of global AI governance. Ensuring that EU and U.S. approaches to AI risk management are generally aligned will facilitate bilateral trade, improve regulatory oversight, and enable broader transatlantic cooperation. By Alex Engler 7:06 [Brookings Institution]
Already is.
While the Indian government has said no to AI regulation for now, it certainly does not mean there are no checks and balances in place. The MeitY did state that various central and state government departments and agencies have commenced efforts to standardise responsible AI development. 7:15 [Analytics India Magazine]
Get ready for Skynet and the Matrix😮
@@annanelson6830 !!
my favourite part was the fact that AI notices patterns when it comes to identifying criminals.
Machines don't get embarrassed when they discover patterns.
@@mjt1517 or eliminated
@@JeepCherokeeful Just deleted and reprogrammed, I'm sure the elites wish they could do that to us they've tried.
When Tegmark talks about FDA regulation, I wonder if he has watched Painkiller, and extrapolated it to the recent pandemic events. Clinical trials are conducted by big pharma, and much of FDA's funding comes from the same source. There is also the revolving door between public agency officials and the private industry it supposedly regulates.
The Public Good is the LAST THING anyone is thinking about.
Professor Tegmark chose a spectacularly bad example for regulating AI in using the Biotech arena as we have recently seen so clearly the total regulatory capture by the industry and total failure of the CDC to protect people from harm in that space. He, like so many academics, politicians and policy makers these days is apparently completely out of touch with reality.
Thank you Democracy Now and other participants in this discussion. This is important to be brought to people's attention now. Many things like this especially this need to have the veil taken off of many things being rather hidden from people. Thank you again for this information
Ms Petty’s criticisms and concerns seem far more legitimate than the more apocalyptic fears. Tawana seems like the adult in the room, the others seem a bit detached from reality.
You don't know a lot about AI do you?
@@valhala56 I just talked today with someone who worked in facial recognition software actually, and another guy I know who works in tech. The two of them know more than you and I do and they concurred that while there are threats posed by AI, this extinction level threat is just plain silly.
@@camazotzz They don't know as much about AI as the experts who are warning about it.
@@scottythetrex5197 having been around tech people a lot in the last 10 years I've come to understand that being being connected to reality is not a requirement to be a successful engineer. Some people get stuck in "computer world" and don't really think about the world outside their own head or their own projects. I'm sure that AI can be very disruptive and that may happen sooner than people think but its not a threat in the way climate change or nuclear war is. computers require constant maintenance from humans in any case, if people went a week without maintaining the infrastructure needed for the AIs to function then they are toast. These are the kind of practical concerns that don't occur to some "Experts"
To put it rather bluntly and to paraphrase Oppenheimer - "I am become robot.."
The fact that I've gone through these comments and not seen one Skynet reference is very surprising. That being when humanity is no longer here, it will be by our own doing.
The Arrogance of these people is astounding!
I am irritated by how so many of these people who are 100% involved in creating this technology and just recently (changed their minds less than a few weeks ago) seem to think they should not be harshly critiqued by those who have been working and addressing the very issues that they suddenly realize will (not may) become a giant problem. They seem to think they are still the leaders who should be respected and responsible for fixing this problem. Meanwhile much of their pushback seems to come from a place of “don’t get upset with the real world problems just let’s regulate the way ‘our’ technological children are used and taught” as of course humans are so excellent at doing 🤨 It smacks of narrative gatekeeping by the very people who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop their roll forward when so many others affected by it were screaming it at the top of their lungs for decades. Now they suddenly have ethics and concerns. But the barn door has been removed, the animals are loose and the farmer is drunk with power on his porch thinking he can still run the farm.
Yip. Which is why this likely doesn't end well.
But if AI became smarter than humans, won't it know not to destroy earth with War?
Maybe it decides that Earth would be better off without us in the long term. Sadly, it would be correct.
No 😱😰😒😩 💡⏱
The problem is AI defines "smarter" as "information processing" but things like compassion, altruism, love - things that require some feeling - aren't really things an artificial system is going to be good at.
These people are quite confused about what "intelligence" is exactly. Due to that, it would potentially kill us and the blood would be on all these "intelligent" peoples hands.
The flashing, quick running feed, going on behind profesor Bengio was terribly distracting. Thank you for all your great work! Love this station ♥
I really respect Yoshua's reasoned response to the questioned posed.
The question of how, exactly, AI threatens extinction was never answered.
The means are as varied as you could imagine, from manipulating us in subtle ways to destroy ourselves, to getting control of the nuclear codes.
POLITICS. Politicians discovered that AI is a threat for their jobs(they will not be able to steal anymore)
Sure they did. If we create something that is superior to us, and it’s goals don’t match ours, or our existence is a barrier to getting their goals achieved, we won’t have any way to combat it. Just like all the animals who’ve gone extinct because of deforestation, overfishing, pollution, etc.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school That’s not an explanation of HOW we are physically in danger, though.
Your comments are based in creative feedback from sci fi concepts we've witnessed in movies and literature.
They're avoiding the question.
Surprised that no one talked about how cell phones/AI can literally read our minds. They target us with ads on things that we(thought about) might want to go spend money on. Give it a like if it also happened to you.
Subliminal suggestions? Followed up with an ad?
it's not mind reading when you give them all the info they need through things like cookies and browsing history.
I for one am an individual who had been enslaved by one of the robot dogs and I am now his butler private secretary and chauffeur and must address him as "your royal highness"
..and all.those experts claimed I was blaming my family and not taking accountability, and NOW, that mental health is cashing in, it's called Complex Trauma?
And The Beat goes on Sonny and Cher