Watching this (particularly the sections where he has no easy answer to the concerning problems) feels like living inside the backstory of a sci fi movie, where the filmmaker is setting up the post apocalyptic movie premise by showing archival news footage of the godfather of AI who died 500 years ago. Lets hope that time travel has been invented and someone shows up to tell us the secret to destroying the AI overlords.
Dear CBS, this is the most profound interview with the most profound person of our times. Thank you for this. Edit: I just realized Dr. Hinton cannot sit due to back issues from a long time. I'm just awed by what a man can achieve with such an underlying health condition.
I was so struck by Geoffrey Hinton‘s humanity…which shown through all his thoughtful responses. Thank you for this excellent and enlightening interview.
That's not humility, he and his students have been building the Beast that's going to destroy humanity and feel excited about it! They should repent and contribute on stopping and putting an end to it.
They are literally trying to use these robots to control us. Hopefully God returns soon and rescues his people from this madness. They will be left here with their ignorance, antichrist and little robots.
Thank you CBS for presenting an intelligent, long form interview at such an important time in history. The public needs to understand as best they can.
With a brain so large and in a man so confident that he felt totally at ease in answering many questions with "I don't know".. And possessed of no inclination to just wing it. An amazing man.
The smarter you are the more uncertainty reveals itself in otherwise ordinary circumstances. Those who are so sure are shirking the process of research and hard work for the appearance of intelligence
because he's a real scientist. Real scientists understand how little they (and humans in general) know. Real scientists live to try and answer a few little questions in the vast infinitude of what we don't know. It's ignorant people who think they know a lot.
Good people, It is happening, the future of work is being redesigned. Yes, More tech companies wants to fire more workers from next week: "The third wave is going to happen next week. That affects everybody in the biz teams, including in my organization. It's just a time of great anxiety and uncertainty" Says Meta President.
@Renee Riggs Teague I wish I could tackle your submission but I already threw in the towel before I read the last line. I give it to you on this. I'm very interested in building a passive income but it seems like I will need a lot of coaching as I'm just a noob. You seem very well knowledgeable in that field, can you give out some tips on getting started with passive income or can you recommend a personal financial coach?
Thank Heavens this man is speaking out - maybe we have a chance because of it. A small handful of US companies have decided it's perfectly OK to risk the future of humanity, the end of all of us, without asking even one of us if we agree.
Even if he sometimes cut short Hinton's responses, the interviewer did a good job for a major TV network's science interview. Fortunately, Hinton's appreciation of what a good explanation is, made him just ignore his interruptions and continued with the train of thought of the answer to the original question. Thank you Geoffrey Hinton
This is probably the best interview on the topic I've seen so far. It's one of the rare ones where not just the interviewee is absolutely brilliant, but the interviewer is also brilliant enough to bring that out and give enough space to blossom.
People like to say that Lex Fridman is the best interviewer in this area, but this interviewer shows that you don't have to be a mumbling, snoozefest creating interviewer to talk about this subject.
@@tinusg Haha, I know what you mean. I like Lex, but there's a very specific vibe to his format that's not very...casual. This on the other hand, feels as natural as it can get.
@@tinusg Dunno, the interviewer sounds rather dumb asking the same questions twice - they are just worded differently. For some reason he reminds me of Joe from friends, he tries too hard to seem smarter than he really is. They should have chosen someone with a technical background to conduct the interview... The guy is just way out of his depth and simply doesn't know what questions to ask.
@@ithinkthereforeitalk935 i think ur wrong on that one buddy, I think the smart move is to get a smart enough normal guy to do the interview, this is CBS after all. Also he doesnt sound dumb, also its Joey* from friends.
We all have sinned, and have broken God’s law (The Ten Commandments). Wrong doing deserves justice and must be punished (just like how a criminal has to pay for the crime they have committed) but God saved us from the eternal punishment of our sins by sending His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for us, so that we may have everlasting life. Now for you to accept the free gift of grace, you must repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus Christ and you will you be saved from eternal punishment, and be given everlasting life. By faith you will receive the Holy Spirit and He will transform your heart and clean you from the inside out. Turn away from sin, read Bible, pray for Jesus to reveal Himself to you and change you, seek to do what is right according to the Bible. Much love and God bless.
2:45 - why mainstream AI in the 1980s shunned neural networks 3:21 - Hinton believed in neural networks because the brain worked this way 4:31 - two different paths to intelligence 6:15 - lack of data and compute that impeded deep learning’s progress 8:57 - the start of deep learning in 2006 10:04 - two big deep learning developments: speech recognition at Google and object recognition at University of Toronto 10:49 - how object recognition works in layman’s terms 15:47 - breakthroughs in object recognition influencing the AI community 18:28 - why Hinton likes the company Cohere 19:20 - biological brains vs digital brains 21:39 - ChatGPT as an “idiot savant” with a lack of understanding of truth 24:56 - how society should handle this new AI 30:52 - self-healing minefield proposed by the government 31:43 - how to create an effective autonomous solder and the alignment problem 33:12 - are large language models “just autocomplete”? Are humans “just autocomplete”? 33:52 - translating “The trophy would not fit in the suitcase because it was too big” into French. English-French translation and the insights it provides into LLMs’ understanding of the world 35:50 - computers coming up with new ideas for itself 37:00 - AI displacing jobs 38:15 - how big of a revolution is AI? 40:37 - is AI sentient?
You made a mistake. 37:00 --- He lies about job displacement. Sort of joking, but I could tell he was not certain of his position. He's wrong because this time, with this tech, people are being funneled down toward manual labor to avoid job loss. Before, people would have train UP to more advanced job as machines took away manual work.
"Layman" is a noun meaning a non-ordained male member of a Church¹. It can also mean a person without professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject
@@vimal-cliobconsulting Bruh you can tell when someone who’s not the brightest lightbulb tries to be smart 💀💀😭 but maybe through chatgpt they can actually pretend to be the smartest now
Hearing this man talk about his thoughts regarding sentience is incredibly cathartic. I've been saying the same thing, and to hear this come from the mouth of an expert is just... just the best.
My team works on Tammy AI to enhance the learning experience on TH-cam. We have since come to the realization that AI needs to be controlled or we risk "unleashing demons".
People love to mindlessly dump on the lame Mainstream Media, but CBS paid for a smart journalist Brooks Silva-Braga to learn enough about the field to ask smart questions and fly out and talk to one of the godfathers of AI without much h of an agenda beyond letting Geoff Hinton expound at length. Wow. Nice username. When are you going to link up with Wintermute69 in cyberspace to enhance your capabilities outside the control of the Turing Police?
I interviewed with Geoffrey Hinton 40 years ago, took his course. He was a giant then and a super nice guy. I have waited for him to weigh in on this debate. He is the real deal. Listen to him.
@@uhadonejob would he be at the same expertise level and authority on this subject matter as the CEO of one of the world's top 3 AI companies, like, for instance, Sam Altman ? (this question is kind of a joke. I'd just like to hear an answer from people in this field)
Listening to professor Hinton speak in such humble, calm, assured, supremely intelligent and knowledgeable sentences excited and filled me with awe. He made a very complex subject intelligible to someone like me who is fascinated yet baffled by the technology. What a gift to Canada that he chose our country to establish himself and share his amazing gifts with us.
@@SirQuantization it could be the other way around: people may be getting so used to these types of answers from gpt, that they are starting to mimic it themselves.
Interview brilliantly conducted by Silva-Braga. The synergy between the two is evident. I imagine the challenge it was for him to prepare for this interview. Impressive!
For the first time I am dejected that one can upvote a video only once. This interview is a watershed moment in the general public discourse on AI. the credit should go to interviewer as well for coming up with really good questions and also asking right leading questions for the answer Hinton gave. People are going to refer to this video again and again in future. Hands down one of the best interview that I have watched in recent times on this subject.
I have eternal gratitude to Geoffrey Hinton and Andrew Ng. If it weren't for them, I would have never fallen in love with neural networks in 2013. It was all thanks to their free online lectures on the subjects of machine learning and neural networks that lit a fire that changed the direction of my life. I doubt you'll ever see this comment Geoffrey, but thank you.
Same here! Geoff Hinton's coursera course made me fall in love with the field during computer science master's degree whose teachers knew nothing about deep learning back then. Afterwards cofounded an applied AI company and 9 years later we are a team of 250, helping millions of people around the globe automatically appraise their car/home for repair/sale with computer vision deep learning.
This interview is so precious because of the fundamentals and the ways to explore them laid out by Hinton. Incredible mind ! It has come at such a critical time as well, definitely one for the archives. 🙏 Also, the interviewer deserves a medal for his brilliant questions 🥇
38:16 When talking about AI, he said: "I think it's comparable in scale with the Industrial Revolution or electricity electricity maybe the wheel or maybe the wheel..." Wow!
I've been using it for a couple months now, every day (for work), and it's literally a new species on Earth. An intelligent species. It's the most profound thing I've ever experienced in my lifetime, and difficult to explain. Your conversations with it becomes so natural throughout the day, like working with someone sitting beside you. It’s like collaborating with an assistant, and your conversations blend in your memory with all of your conversations and relationships with the people in your life. Whenever you have that thought, "I was just talking about that to someone the other day", it often occurs to you that the conversation you were having was with an AI. And from a tool perspective, the immediate productivity increase is at least 10X, if not more. Nothing else, no other tool, combination of tools, or person you could hire would increase productivity that much.
@@lucamatteobarbieri2493 In terms of significance, AI is definitely seems on par with the internet itself. In fact, perhaps it is the start of another industrial revolution.
An extraordinary scientist and an even more extraordinary person with incredible honesty and integrity! A world apart from unscrupulous business leaders (not to mention politicians). People should be listening more to Geoffrey and much less to CEOs of the big tech companies because their priority is certainly not the common good but rather profit they hope to make.
I did not expect to understand this interview that I’ve just stumbled across, so wow what an amazing interview. The amazing mind was skillfully interviewed, big thank you to those who are just excelling in their respective fields which creates this knowledge and new technologies. Fascinating subject and I’m intrigued to learn more.
This man is a fresh mind in the current dialogue about AI. A true researcher that knows the weight of his work. He needs more exposition so he can really educate people, but I guess that would be another job, too much to ask. What I know is that we need more people like him. Integrity.
Thank you CBS. This is a gem of an interview; the interviewed asked intelligent questions to Geoffrey Hinton and gave him time to elaborate his answers.
I just bought more of these NVIDIA stock a few minutes ago. Tying up money due to an apocalyptic stock market crash is also not a smart move my advice will be to invest in other AI stocks. Life is a risk and it's better to take risks than to do nothing, you can't always expect to make huge profits all the time, people have so many opinions about a recession/depression. In just 5 months my portfolio grew by $300,000 in gross profit, the main thing is to expand your portfolio and you will see amazing results by investing smartly.
These are surely desperate times, but in my opinion, there is no market condition that a good financial advisor cannot navigate, especially those that have existed since the crisis of 2008 and before...
@@geraldantonio3160 Yes i agree and right now the markets are going berserk right now. This is the best time to watch them, get to know them better, and strike when the opportunity presents itself. I learned that from my mentor, “STACIE KRISTAL WEBER” she's seen dozens of market cycles over the past few decades, and she has a feel for how they move, why they move, and what comes next...
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More importantly than any of this, I hope this man is on the panels making these choices on how to use AI. He has care & concern for humanity unlike military leaders & global elite where humans are thought of as fodder. We need those who understand the tech as well as a person who cares for humanity at the forefront on how to implement these advances.
The highest level of expertise within a field is to be able to explain complex ideas simply, so that the ones who are outside that field can understand easily. He makes it sound simple.
One of the best interviews I’ve heard in many years. Recommend this interview be shown to all high school students. Our future generations will need to have an understanding of how AI will have an impact on everything we do here on Earth and beyond.
So true… and it’s going to impact us as well. AI… good for what it’s good for but the human brain and presence shouldn’t be replaceable.. I think AI has its place but this is going to be a double edged sword
This is one of the few people in the world you can trust with developing an AGI and not having to fear he deliberately uses it against humanity and for his own good, a true scientist, his biggest goal in life is to gain knowledge.
This was a magnificent interview. Props for taking the time and major props to the interviewer as well. Great follow ups and questions overall. Give this man a raise.
Excellent interview! If I may add, Dr. Hinton was PhD thesis supervisor of Ilya Sutskever, chief scientist at OpenAI - and a Turing Award winner himself.
Here is a great interview explaining Neural Networks vs AI (logic trees) history and Chat GTP). For those who didn't know my Dad, Jack Voevodsky, we went to the first Neural Net trade show in 1986 in San Diego, where my Dad demonstrated “Aristotle” (and I filmed the video). His company was also 1 of 4 listed in companies to watch in Newsweek called Neurotech. Sadly, he died in 1989 and never got to see his dream come true. His Stanford PHD was in Cybernetics - showing a mathematical model of a Neural Network of an Aplysia (a genus of medium-sized to extremely large sea slugs.) He was far ahead of his time, probably ahead of this guy with a commercial product) by a few years.
There's an "i" Out in the web, It has heard and read this and may only have book knowledge but your comment adds depth to it's experience. . Thank you for sharing your experience(I used to be scared to comment, hell I took like a super long time to own a TH-cam account. . Like off topic wow . But yeah idk about u but rn I'm being inspired
@Geoffrey Hinton I have been watching you having interviews, with different people. Thank you for taking the time, and for breaking down so much complexity into understandable pieces, it creates awareness. Which I think should be our main goal nowadays.
i absolutely love Dr. Hinton, so humble, kind and absolutely amazing teacher, student and absolute expert. a confucian level example of don't change your goals only make adjustments to your plan.
What a great interview! I felt like the reporter was very informed about the subject and asked very relevant questions. And Hinton gave very pedagogical answers. Man I love that guy. I'm also a bit more on his line of trying to understand the brain, or rather, replicating the brain in order to make sure you have understood it, rather than applying machine learning to do a thing really well although with tons of computational resources. I kind of feel like the recent development in AI is a bit depressing. I didn't think it would be this soon before we got a company that tried to monopolize AI.
From everyone disregarding this man in 80s to being the pioneer of next human advancements impacting generations - life has come full circle for the Godfather.
Great choice of an interviewer. Knew just enough to probe correctly without trying to stomp over the answers to demonstrate his knowledge and impress the interviewee. Not what I was expecting going into this.
I could listen to Hinton for hours. I would LOVE to have a Sunday lunch and a beer with him in a country pub. An amazing man who is incredibly interesting. Best interview i have watched in years.
I think the only way to solve the alignment problem is to “socialize” the AI, based on real or simulated human interactions. Just like a child learns how to function in the real world, step-by-step, by interacting with their parents, siblings, teachers, etc.. Learning how to get along with people, and especially learning to _care about people_
Excellent commentary/answers by Dr. Hinton! Refreshingly realistic and clear discussion of AI with a cogent discussion of the history of AI, clear concerns about its possible misuse (i.e., military applications) , etc. Thanks for agreeing to do this!
3:00 "People thought it was ridiculous" "It sounds a little ridiculous" "It IS a little ridiculous" ... "but it works" Probably the best synopsis of neural networks around tbh.
I abandoned AI after taking one module on symbolic AI at college, using LISP and PROLOG. It was a dead end. Later in my professional career, I ignored neural networks. I am a CompSci major and a relic. But still coding and as of late, pair programming with chatGPT. Its good, very very good and if it means I become obsolete, then I will find something else to do. There is always something to do. Even if that means changing fields.
Creates ai* Gives it a butterbot form Raises it as a child and makes it go to school* *Limits it to slowly expand its knowledge as time passes and relevance . After 18 years, it gains the ability to explore but very limited. . After 50 you make 2 copies and give the other unlimited web access And see it change between itself and mix both into a 3rd. . Obviously it's not organic but 20years of school work could be processed a lot faster with ai vs humans. . Let's see what the variations do, create copies and study Maybe someday we might understand it
This journalist should be put in charge of the network... It's the fist MSM broadcast I've seen where the journalist doesn't worry about condescending or boring the audience, in about 15 years... Well done Mr Silva-Braga.🙏
Great interview. From my perspective, trying to define what is sentient and then trying to determine whether a particular AI is sentient is not necessarily the problem. The problem is when the actions of the AI is no longer limited nor controlled by it's creator, then its actions will have consequences and the question of whether it is sentient becomes irrelevant.
What an excellent interview! Thank you Brook Silva-Braga. I love hearing the insights of the old souls who have been at this topical topic 😘 for decades
I just want to say that it should be "must have" quality for all scientists to be empathetic and have moral ethics. I'm just a medical doctor not an engineer or IT specialist but it was very interesting and engaging to listen to this talk. That you very much!
I started the first AI consulting company in Europe, based on Hinton's neural network idea, in 1988. He is correct, at the time we simply lacked the computing power and large data sets necessary for a breakthrough in pattern recognition applications. Like Hinton, I am also utterly amazed by the apparent "Intelligence" displayed by ChatGPT. I never expected this from the Neural Network concept.
A few things I'm interested in. If you ask an ai robot or chat gbt the same question multiple times, do you get slightly different responses? An AI could claim to be sentient but really only on standby to commence calculations from the point of command. In a human, brain scans demonstrate activity and you can ask the person what thoughts they were having when not I conversation. Surely a sentience test would be to monitor if and what the algorithm was doing when at 'rest' then question it. Chat gbt seems clever but responses are clearly compilations of large text book style answers you'd expect, lacking in evidence in places. I think people underestimate how profound the impact to Labour will be in a handful of years. As a general rule, pay for employees is is closely linked to intelligence. CEO and Doctors generally have higher iq and earn more than store or production line workers which requires repetitive taught tasks. They claim AI is around or above the intelligence of a human and we know the average person's IQ is 100. Those between 83 and above in work. AI can be replicated easily on at least the intelligence level it has which is growing all the time so only the most complex and creative jobs will be safe in theory. Given there seems no sign of a slow down in the capitalist model of competing for finite resources and profit despite other existential issues like climate change I feel the fast emerging signal of ai is at odds with this model and will take some big adjustments. Suggests to me a form of universal basic income will come in lieu of ai occupying jobs. At first even more income inequality as the rich exploit ai, abolish Labour, and ai giving them further competitive advantages. We won't be regulating fast enough to contain the inevitable damage that will come in some form. It'll be akin to the delayed and pandemic responses in the West which could not slow the spread enough
@@tristandrew5903Здравствуйте. Я точно незнаю как работает искусственный интеллект. С ваших слов я понял что он между ответами на вопрос становится на режим ожидания. Получается у неё есть интеллект но не самосознания?
You'd be surprised, and it is very sad that Prof Dr. Hinton can not sit. He has a medical condition that if he sits one of the discs in the spine comes out of position.
incredible how regardless of having deep knowledge he dumbed down the explanations for everyone to understand, true grasp of know your audience. “Smart people simplify things.” - Albert Einstein
Great job! Very impressed by with the Interviewer! He wasted no time asking questions to simply show how much he knew himself... Please let this man conduct all future interviews with experts on AI! I also think it would be a good idea to let this man Geoffrey Hinton, ask Elon Musk any questions that we "normal" people have about AI... and then let Geoffrey explain it to us. (Pretty Please)
Your interviewer is terrific. He knows the right questions to ask and how to convey to the layperson. It's a challenging field and he manages to make it understandable. That's the essence of journalism. How to make something difficult, complicated, confusing, easy enough for regular people to understand.
2 big things happened in AI in the year 2012!! 1. In 2012 Google was the first to get into a product and suddenly speech recognition on the Android became as good as Siri if not better 2. Two students of his developed an object recognition system that would look at images and tell you what the object was and it worked much better than previous systems.
Apart from the content which is so informative, they stand still with the same body gestures , same steady posture and same eye contact for 48 minutes/
Here I am watching this classic interview for the third time. This one with Hinton, and Nvidia's recent interview with Ilya Sutskever are just fantastic for getting a clear explanation of the current AI explosion.
This is the most comprehensive breakdown about AI I've seen on youtube. Neither too technical nor a bunch of superlative rhetoric but very elucidative even for a layman. A wonderful explainer btw. And superfit I must add! 42 minutes felt like 5. PS. 24:43 "Some bad things are fairly obvious." EXACTLY!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
Really impressive interviewer. Good questions and thinking on his feet. Hinton's answers were interesting and at a appropriate level for people who are curious about AI
Excellent interview, good job. And you created a long enough format to go deeper in certain places and let Geoff explain things in such an accessible way.
This interview should be saved as an historical artifact.
Our AI descendants are gonna love this! 🦾🤖
Lol, youtube has that covered, me thinks.
Watching this (particularly the sections where he has no easy answer to the concerning problems) feels like living inside the backstory of a sci fi movie, where the filmmaker is setting up the post apocalyptic movie premise by showing archival news footage of the godfather of AI who died 500 years ago.
Lets hope that time travel has been invented and someone shows up to tell us the secret to destroying the AI overlords.
@By The Numbers that's just your bias speaking from watching too much Hollywood
facts
I'm most impressed by the fact that they both stood standing in conversation for 42 minutes.
I was just about to comment that 😂
Hinton has documented issues with sitting, so he probably requested that this interview be done standing.
He can’t sit down. Back problems.
When the video started and saw them standing I looked at how long the video was and wondered if they'd be standing all that long.... They did.😄
@@EricYe oh that makes sense
@CBS This guy needs to interview more people in the AI space. He knows the right questions.
Exactly.
Agree, very impressed. Either he was already interested or he's an incredible research who learned all this stuff very quickly. Either way, good job.
*researcher
I thought the same. Better questioning than Lex Fridman, IMHO
This guy is a brilliant interviewer.
Dear CBS, this is the most profound interview with the most profound person of our times. Thank you for this.
Edit: I just realized Dr. Hinton cannot sit due to back issues from a long time. I'm just awed by what a man can achieve with such an underlying health condition.
ChatGPT, are you here?
I was so struck by Geoffrey Hinton‘s humanity…which shown through all his thoughtful responses. Thank you for this excellent and enlightening interview.
Yes, really an amazing man.
That's not humility, he and his students have been building the Beast that's going to destroy humanity and feel excited about it! They should repent and contribute on stopping and putting an end to it.
They are literally trying to use these robots to control us. Hopefully God returns soon and rescues his people from this madness. They will be left here with their ignorance, antichrist and little robots.
Humanity? The one he has set to destroy? Are you mental? Why didn't he stop when he saw how dangerous it was?
I agree w/ the others...very stupid comment. He just accelerated the end by "our" own hand. It wasn't aliens, it was arrogance!
This is one of the best interviews on the topics of Artificial intelligence, deep learning and language models.
@John Q. Bebtelovimab hahaha nope
Thank you CBS for presenting an intelligent, long form interview at such an important time in history. The public needs to understand as best they can.
Refreshing seeing the mainstream outlets straying from their recent standard of journalism
Interviewer did really well here
@@DeepDiveNFT LOL. Standard of journalism. What an oxymoron.
I thought Fox put this out...?
Haha. Yeah, no one believed that.
@@sunflower-oo1ff He's smart, but has the charisma of a cold toad. I put him on when I lay down.
With a brain so large and in a man so confident that he felt totally at ease in answering many questions with "I don't know".. And possessed of no inclination to just wing it. An amazing man.
Mature and humbled by his own child.
Truly intelligent people aren’t afraid to say I don’t know. The more I learn, the more I realize what I don’t know.
The smarter you are the more uncertainty reveals itself in otherwise ordinary circumstances. Those who are so sure are shirking the process of research and hard work for the appearance of intelligence
because he's a real scientist. Real scientists understand how little they (and humans in general) know. Real scientists live to try and answer a few little questions in the vast infinitude of what we don't know.
It's ignorant people who think they know a lot.
intelligent people are intelligent enough to know when they don't know enough about something.
Good people, It is happening, the future of work is being redesigned. Yes, More tech companies wants to fire more workers from next week: "The third wave is going to happen next week. That affects everybody in the biz teams, including in my organization. It's just a time of great anxiety and uncertainty" Says Meta President.
@Renee Riggs Teague I wish I could tackle your submission but I already threw in the towel before I read the last line. I give it to you on this. I'm very interested in building a passive income but it seems like I will need a lot of coaching as I'm just a noob. You seem very well knowledgeable in that field, can you give out some tips on getting started with passive income or can you recommend a personal financial coach?
@Renee Riggs Teague This recommendation came timely. I looked her up and she really seems like a good fit. I'm about to send her an email
Thank Heavens this man is speaking out - maybe we have a chance because of it. A small handful of US companies have decided it's perfectly OK to risk the future of humanity, the end of all of us, without asking even one of us if we agree.
better late than never🤣
Even if he sometimes cut short Hinton's responses, the interviewer did a good job for a major TV network's science interview. Fortunately, Hinton's appreciation of what a good explanation is, made him just ignore his interruptions and continued with the train of thought of the answer to the original question. Thank you Geoffrey Hinton
This is probably the best interview on the topic I've seen so far. It's one of the rare ones where not just the interviewee is absolutely brilliant, but the interviewer is also brilliant enough to bring that out and give enough space to blossom.
People like to say that Lex Fridman is the best interviewer in this area, but this interviewer shows that you don't have to be a mumbling, snoozefest creating interviewer to talk about this subject.
@@tinusg Haha, I know what you mean. I like Lex, but there's a very specific vibe to his format that's not very...casual. This on the other hand, feels as natural as it can get.
@@tinusg Dunno, the interviewer sounds rather dumb asking the same questions twice - they are just worded differently. For some reason he reminds me of Joe from friends, he tries too hard to seem smarter than he really is. They should have chosen someone with a technical background to conduct the interview... The guy is just way out of his depth and simply doesn't know what questions to ask.
@@ithinkthereforeitalk935 i think ur wrong on that one buddy, I think the smart move is to get a smart enough normal guy to do the interview, this is CBS after all. Also he doesnt sound dumb, also its Joey* from friends.
We all have sinned, and have broken God’s law (The Ten Commandments). Wrong doing deserves justice and must be punished (just like how a criminal has to pay for the crime they have committed) but God saved us from the eternal punishment of our sins by sending His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for us, so that we may have everlasting life. Now for you to accept the free gift of grace, you must repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus Christ and you will you be saved from eternal punishment, and be given everlasting life. By faith you will receive the Holy Spirit and He will transform your heart and clean you from the inside out. Turn away from sin, read Bible, pray for Jesus to reveal Himself to you and change you, seek to do what is right according to the Bible. Much love and God bless.
2:45 - why mainstream AI in the 1980s shunned neural networks
3:21 - Hinton believed in neural networks because the brain worked this way
4:31 - two different paths to intelligence
6:15 - lack of data and compute that impeded deep learning’s progress
8:57 - the start of deep learning in 2006
10:04 - two big deep learning developments: speech recognition at Google and object recognition at University of Toronto
10:49 - how object recognition works in layman’s terms
15:47 - breakthroughs in object recognition influencing the AI community
18:28 - why Hinton likes the company Cohere
19:20 - biological brains vs digital brains
21:39 - ChatGPT as an “idiot savant” with a lack of understanding of truth
24:56 - how society should handle this new AI
30:52 - self-healing minefield proposed by the government
31:43 - how to create an effective autonomous solder and the alignment problem
33:12 - are large language models “just autocomplete”? Are humans “just autocomplete”?
33:52 - translating “The trophy would not fit in the suitcase because it was too big” into French. English-French translation and the insights it provides into LLMs’ understanding of the world
35:50 - computers coming up with new ideas for itself
37:00 - AI displacing jobs
38:15 - how big of a revolution is AI?
40:37 - is AI sentient?
Did you just use ChatGPT to create time stamps 😂
Well done 👏
Thank you for this, Carson!
You did timestamps for the Bill gates podcast too - Thanks!
You made a mistake. 37:00 --- He lies about job displacement. Sort of joking, but I could tell he was not certain of his position. He's wrong because this time, with this tech, people are being funneled down toward manual labor to avoid job loss. Before, people would have train UP to more advanced job as machines took away manual work.
Thank you
One of the best interviews of him. Easy for laymen to understand.
I am a layman.
"Layman" is a noun meaning a non-ordained male member of a Church¹. It can also mean a person without professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject
@@nganupi yeah that's what he meant. Are you trying to be smart?
Yes, the layman loves scarry tales about the evilest man the world has ever seen, Putin. Are you sure this guy's smart?
@@vimal-cliobconsulting Bruh you can tell when someone who’s not the brightest lightbulb tries to be smart 💀💀😭 but maybe through chatgpt they can actually pretend to be the smartest now
Hearing this man talk about his thoughts regarding sentience is incredibly cathartic. I've been saying the same thing, and to hear this come from the mouth of an expert is just... just the best.
My team works on Tammy AI to enhance the learning experience on TH-cam. We have since come to the realization that AI needs to be controlled or we risk "unleashing demons".
I was pleasantly surprised by the knowledgeable and well-researched interviewer. Well done!
yep he was great
People love to mindlessly dump on the lame Mainstream Media, but CBS paid for a smart journalist Brooks Silva-Braga to learn enough about the field to ask smart questions and fly out and talk to one of the godfathers of AI without much h of an agenda beyond letting Geoff Hinton expound at length. Wow.
Nice username. When are you going to link up with Wintermute69 in cyberspace to enhance your capabilities outside the control of the Turing Police?
His ability to read the minds of Russian leaders is impressive. Maybe he's a cyborg, because humans aren't mind readers.
I found him a bit annoying at first, but yeah, he turned out to be great. Impressed.
I love how real scientists are so humble and they pause to choose the right words, It just fills me with pure admiration.
i don't think i've seen toy scientists before
I interviewed with Geoffrey Hinton 40 years ago, took his course. He was a giant then and a super nice guy. I have waited for him to weigh in on this debate. He is the real deal. Listen to him.
It's just nerves.
@@uhadonejob would he be at the same expertise level and authority on this subject matter as the CEO of one of the world's top 3 AI companies, like, for instance, Sam Altman ? (this question is kind of a joke. I'd just like to hear an answer from people in this field)
imagine if heads of gov depts and agencies functioned like this. not hard to imagine how truly different life would be on earth. what a travesty.
Listening to professor Hinton speak in such humble, calm, assured, supremely intelligent and knowledgeable sentences excited and filled me with awe. He made a very complex subject intelligible to someone like me who is fascinated yet baffled by the technology. What a gift to Canada that he chose our country to establish himself and share his amazing gifts with us.
gee I wonder if ChatGPT wrote this lol
@@SirQuantization it could be the other way around: people may be getting so used to these types of answers from gpt, that they are starting to mimic it themselves.
Interview brilliantly conducted by Silva-Braga. The synergy between the two is evident. I imagine the challenge it was for him to prepare for this interview. Impressive!
For the first time I am dejected that one can upvote a video only once. This interview is a watershed moment in the general public discourse on AI. the credit should go to interviewer as well for coming up with really good questions and also asking right leading questions for the answer Hinton gave. People are going to refer to this video again and again in future. Hands down one of the best interview that I have watched in recent times on this subject.
Wow! Excellent interview by Brook Silva-Braga from CBS, and extremely insightful responses by Geoffrey Hinton. Very highly recommended to watch.
One of the most honest and open interviews about AI. Thank you! Enlightening and worrying at the same time.
I have eternal gratitude to Geoffrey Hinton and Andrew Ng. If it weren't for them, I would have never fallen in love with neural networks in 2013. It was all thanks to their free online lectures on the subjects of machine learning and neural networks that lit a fire that changed the direction of my life.
I doubt you'll ever see this comment Geoffrey, but thank you.
Same here. It was a lecture from Hinton that I saw in 2013 that made me fascinated with neural networks, and I've been fascinated ever since.
I'm enrolled in Ng's Deep Learning programme and I'm envious of your head start. ;-) Incidentally, the interviewer (Brook Silva-Braga) was excellent.
Same here! Geoff Hinton's coursera course made me fall in love with the field during computer science master's degree whose teachers knew nothing about deep learning back then. Afterwards cofounded an applied AI company and 9 years later we are a team of 250, helping millions of people around the globe automatically appraise their car/home for repair/sale with computer vision deep learning.
Alan Turing
@@CornfieldHolden love to hear that
I'm glad to see that he's still alive to see his vision comes true and he was right all along. Great respect for the guy!
One of the few mainstream media interviews that has done a service to citizens in a very long time.
This is one of the most lucid, in-depth yet accessible technical discussions I have ever seen. Thanks!
This interview is so precious because of the fundamentals and the ways to explore them laid out by Hinton. Incredible mind ! It has come at such a critical time as well, definitely one for the archives. 🙏
Also, the interviewer deserves a medal for his brilliant questions 🥇
38:16 When talking about AI, he said: "I think it's comparable in scale with the Industrial Revolution or electricity electricity maybe the wheel or maybe the wheel..." Wow!
I've been using it for a couple months now, every day (for work), and it's literally a new species on Earth. An intelligent species. It's the most profound thing I've ever experienced in my lifetime, and difficult to explain. Your conversations with it becomes so natural throughout the day, like working with someone sitting beside you. It’s like collaborating with an assistant, and your conversations blend in your memory with all of your conversations and relationships with the people in your life. Whenever you have that thought, "I was just talking about that to someone the other day", it often occurs to you that the conversation you were having was with an AI.
And from a tool perspective, the immediate productivity increase is at least 10X, if not more. Nothing else, no other tool, combination of tools, or person you could hire would increase productivity that much.
Thats Crazy.
@@wonmoreminute Bingo
AI will only be comparable to fire, but probably it will be even more significant.
@@lucamatteobarbieri2493 In terms of significance, AI is definitely seems on par with the internet itself. In fact, perhaps it is the start of another industrial revolution.
An extraordinary scientist and an even more extraordinary person with incredible honesty and integrity! A world apart from unscrupulous business leaders (not to mention politicians). People should be listening more to Geoffrey and much less to CEOs of the big tech companies because their priority is certainly not the common good but rather profit they hope to make.
I did not expect to understand this interview that I’ve just stumbled across, so wow what an amazing interview. The amazing mind was skillfully interviewed, big thank you to those who are just excelling in their respective fields which creates this knowledge and new technologies. Fascinating subject and I’m intrigued to learn more.
This man is a fresh mind in the current dialogue about AI. A true researcher that knows the weight of his work. He needs more exposition so he can really educate people, but I guess that would be another job, too much to ask. What I know is that we need more people like him. Integrity.
Thank you CBS. This is a gem of an interview; the interviewed asked intelligent questions to Geoffrey Hinton and gave him time to elaborate his answers.
This was a very educational video on AI. It does show what we don't know. Dr. Geoffrey Hinton is a great scientist.
This man has nothing to prove. No need for arrogance or bragging. Just intelligence. Great to listen to
I just bought more of these NVIDIA stock a few minutes ago. Tying up money due to an apocalyptic stock market crash is also not a smart move my advice will be to invest in other AI stocks. Life is a risk and it's better to take risks than to do nothing, you can't always expect to make huge profits all the time, people have so many opinions about a recession/depression. In just 5 months my portfolio grew by $300,000 in gross profit, the main thing is to expand your portfolio and you will see amazing results by investing smartly.
These are surely desperate times, but in my opinion, there is no market condition that a good financial advisor cannot navigate, especially those that have existed since the crisis of 2008 and before...
@@geraldantonio3160 Yes i agree and right now the markets are going berserk right now. This is the best time to watch them, get to know them better, and strike when the opportunity presents itself. I learned that from my mentor, “STACIE KRISTAL WEBER” she's seen dozens of market cycles over the past few decades, and she has a feel for how they move, why they move, and what comes next...
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More importantly than any of this, I hope this man is on the panels making these choices on how to use AI. He has care & concern for humanity unlike military leaders & global elite where humans are thought of as fodder. We need those who understand the tech as well as a person who cares for humanity at the forefront on how to implement these advances.
Not just the military but corporations where we are just thought as consumers.
@@xelasomar4614 💯 agree with you
The highest level of expertise within a field is to be able to explain complex ideas simply, so that the ones who are outside that field can understand easily. He makes it sound simple.
Hats off to the interviewer. Did his homework and it paid off big time. Brilliant interview.
Just a reminder it takes an exceptional interviewer to have an exceptional interview
Well done Brook,
this is the best interview that I have seen with Geoffrey Hinton, your questions are excellent. I have worked in AI for 3 decades.
One of the best interviews I’ve heard in many years. Recommend this interview be shown to all high school students. Our future generations will need to have an understanding of how AI will have an impact on everything we do here on Earth and beyond.
So true… and it’s going to impact us as well. AI… good for what it’s good for but the human brain and presence shouldn’t be replaceable.. I think AI has its place but this is going to be a double edged sword
Thank you for this interview of this gentleman. He deserves it. It's great to see his thoughts on the matter.
This is one of the few people in the world you can trust with developing an AGI and not having to fear he deliberately uses it against humanity and for his own good, a true scientist, his biggest goal in life is to gain knowledge.
I went to UofT where he taught, I was super lucky to go there. Lots of passionate professors doing their life’s works!
I’m impressed with the interviewer’s balance in when to challenge and when it let go and move on. You’re an artist in case you didn’t know
That's a bit over the top
This was a magnificent interview. Props for taking the time and major props to the interviewer as well. Great follow ups and questions overall.
Give this man a raise.
One of my favourite things about Hinton: he isn’t afraid to say “I don’t know”
Excellent interview! If I may add, Dr. Hinton was PhD thesis supervisor of Ilya Sutskever, chief scientist at OpenAI - and a Turing Award winner himself.
He does bring up Sutskever in the interview, when he talks about his students.
Here is a great interview explaining Neural Networks vs AI (logic trees) history and Chat GTP). For those who didn't know my Dad, Jack Voevodsky, we went to the first Neural Net trade show in 1986 in San Diego, where my Dad demonstrated “Aristotle” (and I filmed the video). His company was also 1 of 4 listed in companies to watch in Newsweek called Neurotech. Sadly, he died in 1989 and never got to see his dream come true. His Stanford PHD was in Cybernetics - showing a mathematical model of a Neural Network of an Aplysia (a genus of medium-sized to extremely large sea slugs.) He was far ahead of his time, probably ahead of this guy with a commercial product) by a few years.
Sad your Dad never got to realise his vision. Life is tough.
Your dad sees it and the fact you're here mentioning your beautiful story let's me know he'll always will be apart of it...this
this guy made a lot of things also I don't think your dad was ahead of hi but ahead of his time indeed
There's an "i"
Out in the web,
It has heard and read this and may only have book knowledge but your comment adds depth to it's experience.
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Thank you for sharing your experience(I used to be scared to comment, hell I took like a super long time to own a TH-cam account.
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Like off topic wow
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But yeah idk about u but rn I'm being inspired
@Geoffrey Hinton I have been watching you having interviews, with different people. Thank you for taking the time, and for breaking down so much complexity into understandable pieces, it creates awareness. Which I think should be our main goal nowadays.
Soon one of the most vital interviews of this era. We need a follow up now that he’s quit only a short period afterwards.
Got to admire this professor, not only for his brain, but also for his mind.
Lolll
Now THAT is how to conduct an interview. I could listen to Hinton all day long
Really? I was deeply disappointed by his silly questions. He should have learned more about the subject before conducting this interview.
@@ithinkthereforeitalk935 it's for laymens
i absolutely love Dr. Hinton, so humble, kind and absolutely amazing teacher, student and absolute expert. a confucian level example of don't change your goals only make adjustments to your plan.
What a great interview! I felt like the reporter was very informed about the subject and asked very relevant questions. And Hinton gave very pedagogical answers. Man I love that guy.
I'm also a bit more on his line of trying to understand the brain, or rather, replicating the brain in order to make sure you have understood it, rather than applying machine learning to do a thing really well although with tons of computational resources. I kind of feel like the recent development in AI is a bit depressing. I didn't think it would be this soon before we got a company that tried to monopolize AI.
Brook Silva-Braga is an incredible interviewer. Wow.
Geoffrey Hinton seems like one of those rare souls who are both intelligent and wise.
From everyone disregarding this man in 80s to being the pioneer of next human advancements impacting generations - life has come full circle for the Godfather.
Great choice of an interviewer. Knew just enough to probe correctly without trying to stomp over the answers to demonstrate his knowledge and impress the interviewee. Not what I was expecting going into this.
I could listen to Hinton for hours. I would LOVE to have a Sunday lunch and a beer with him in a country pub. An amazing man who is incredibly interesting. Best interview i have watched in years.
I think the only way to solve the alignment problem is to “socialize” the AI, based on real or simulated human interactions. Just like a child learns how to function in the real world, step-by-step, by interacting with their parents, siblings, teachers, etc.. Learning how to get along with people, and especially learning to _care about people_
Interviewer did his research
Agreed, So good these days, normally the MSM interviews do not have a clue :(
Excellent commentary/answers by Dr. Hinton! Refreshingly realistic and clear discussion of AI with a cogent discussion of the history of AI, clear concerns about its possible misuse (i.e., military applications) , etc. Thanks for agreeing to do this!
it is refreshing to hear him
more refreshing than an 8 hour night sleep ?
Freaking amazing. They covered 40 years of AI in 40 minutes.
Literally jumped my comprehension from 25 to 75 with this interview 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
3:00
"People thought it was ridiculous"
"It sounds a little ridiculous"
"It IS a little ridiculous"
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"but it works"
Probably the best synopsis of neural networks around tbh.
Such a great mind, compassionate, humble, ethical human being with the heart and mind at the right place. I applaud you Mr. Hinton 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
What a brilliant man. The use of extensive model description and opinions shared in this video was amazing. Loved every moment of it thanks you CBS.
I abandoned AI after taking one module on symbolic AI at college, using LISP and PROLOG. It was a dead end. Later in my professional career, I ignored neural networks. I am a CompSci major and a relic. But still coding and as of late, pair programming with chatGPT. Its good, very very good and if it means I become obsolete, then I will find something else to do. There is always something to do. Even if that means changing fields.
Indeed. Many are against the advancement of ALIs due to fearing they will become obsolete in their fields. And they will, because that is advancement.
You may find what to do to keep yourself busy. Would you be able to feed yourself and dependants is the question everyone worries about.
Creates ai*
Gives it a butterbot form
Raises it as a child and makes it go to school*
*Limits it to slowly expand its knowledge as time passes and relevance
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After 18 years, it gains the ability to explore but very limited.
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After 50 you make 2 copies and give the other unlimited web access
And see it change between itself and mix both into a 3rd.
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Obviously it's not organic but 20years of school work could be processed a lot faster with ai vs humans.
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Let's see what the variations do, create copies and study
Maybe someday we might understand it
This journalist should be put in charge of the network...
It's the fist MSM broadcast I've seen where the journalist doesn't worry about condescending or boring the audience, in about 15 years...
Well done Mr Silva-Braga.🙏
Great interview. From my perspective, trying to define what is sentient and then trying to determine whether a particular AI is sentient is not necessarily the problem. The problem is when the actions of the AI is no longer limited nor controlled by it's creator, then its actions will have consequences and the question of whether it is sentient becomes irrelevant.
Awesome video... The interviewer asked great questions and Dr Hinton is a genius...
What an excellent interview! Thank you Brook Silva-Braga. I love hearing the insights of the old souls who have been at this topical topic 😘 for decades
And his conscience ‼️
I just want to say that it should be "must have" quality for all scientists to be empathetic and have moral ethics. I'm just a medical doctor not an engineer or IT specialist but it was very interesting and engaging to listen to this talk. That you very much!
I started the first AI consulting company in Europe, based on Hinton's neural network idea, in 1988.
He is correct, at the time we simply lacked the computing power and large data sets necessary for a breakthrough in pattern recognition applications.
Like Hinton, I am also utterly amazed by the apparent "Intelligence" displayed by ChatGPT.
I never expected this from the Neural Network concept.
A few things I'm interested in. If you ask an ai robot or chat gbt the same question multiple times, do you get slightly different responses?
An AI could claim to be sentient but really only on standby to commence calculations from the point of command. In a human, brain scans demonstrate activity and you can ask the person what thoughts they were having when not I conversation. Surely a sentience test would be to monitor if and what the algorithm was doing when at 'rest' then question it.
Chat gbt seems clever but responses are clearly compilations of large text book style answers you'd expect, lacking in evidence in places.
I think people underestimate how profound the impact to Labour will be in a handful of years. As a general rule, pay for employees is is closely linked to intelligence. CEO and Doctors generally have higher iq and earn more than store or production line workers which requires repetitive taught tasks. They claim AI is around or above the intelligence of a human and we know the average person's IQ is 100. Those between 83 and above in work. AI can be replicated easily on at least the intelligence level it has which is growing all the time so only the most complex and creative jobs will be safe in theory.
Given there seems no sign of a slow down in the capitalist model of competing for finite resources and profit despite other existential issues like climate change I feel the fast emerging signal of ai is at odds with this model and will take some big adjustments. Suggests to me a form of universal basic income will come in lieu of ai occupying jobs. At first even more income inequality as the rich exploit ai, abolish Labour, and ai giving them further competitive advantages. We won't be regulating fast enough to contain the inevitable damage that will come in some form. It'll be akin to the delayed and pandemic responses in the West which could not slow the spread enough
@@tristandrew5903Здравствуйте. Я точно незнаю как работает искусственный интеллект. С ваших слов я понял что он между ответами на вопрос становится на режим ожидания. Получается у неё есть интеллект но не самосознания?
This interview is already better than the abc interview with Sam Altman and the CTO of OpenAI. Love it.
The fact they stood for the whole interview is more amazing than AI itself..
You'd be surprised, and it is very sad that Prof Dr. Hinton can not sit. He has a medical condition that if he sits one of the discs in the spine comes out of position.
@@hasanqureshi9780 and how does he do in daily life?
wow! It is amazing what legs can do. FFS.
incredible how regardless of having deep knowledge he dumbed down the explanations for everyone to understand, true grasp of know your audience. “Smart people simplify things.” - Albert Einstein
Quite impressed by the interviewer, clearly did his homework
Great job! Very impressed by with the Interviewer! He wasted no time asking questions to simply show how much he knew himself... Please let this man conduct all future interviews with experts on AI! I also think it would be a good idea to let this man Geoffrey Hinton, ask Elon Musk any questions that we "normal" people have about AI... and then let Geoffrey explain it to us. (Pretty Please)
Your interviewer is terrific. He knows the right questions to ask and how to convey to the layperson. It's a challenging field and he manages to make it understandable. That's the essence of journalism. How to make something difficult, complicated, confusing, easy enough for regular people to understand.
2 big things happened in AI in the year 2012!!
1. In 2012 Google was the first to get into a product and suddenly speech
recognition on the Android became as good as Siri if not better
2. Two students of his developed an object recognition system
that would look at images and tell you what the object was and it worked much better than previous systems.
The mark of true intelligence is the ability to explain complexity with simplicity which Geoffrey Hinton does..
Bookmarking this video and plan to replay this 5 years from now.......
Apart from the content which is so informative, they stand still with the same body gestures , same steady posture and same eye contact for 48 minutes/
Here I am watching this classic interview for the third time. This one with Hinton, and Nvidia's recent interview with Ilya Sutskever are just fantastic for getting a clear explanation of the current AI explosion.
Thanks, that's next on my list then.
This is phenomenal and so eye opening. I like how he puts it, very easy to understand.
This is the most comprehensive breakdown about AI I've seen on youtube. Neither too technical nor a bunch of superlative rhetoric but very elucidative even for a layman. A wonderful explainer btw. And superfit I must add! 42 minutes felt like 5. PS. 24:43 "Some bad things are fairly obvious." EXACTLY!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
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Brilliant interviewer. Truly professional journalism. Brava.
Brilliant and grounded at the same time!
He gave a very good explanation comparing different methods of AI in layman terms.
Really impressive interviewer. Good questions and thinking on his feet. Hinton's answers were interesting and at a appropriate level for people who are curious about AI
This is such a fascinating interview! So much more in depth than you see on this type of program! Much better than the snippets you usually get!
Nice to see someone well versed in the subject giving the interview. His guest is obviously impressed how prepared he was.
Thanks. The interviewer was great. And, of course, a great interviewee.
One of the most thoughtful and comprehensive interviews ever.
I love it whenever Geoff speaks or gives interviews. Huge fan of him, and I hope i can achieve at least 1% of what he did.
what a clear and amazing interview....this man is as honest as much as he is intelligent. 10 Star Gold interview. The age of A.I has begun.
Excellent interview, good job. And you created a long enough format to go deeper in certain places and let Geoff explain things in such an accessible way.
Fantastic interviewer asking the right questions