The Reason Why Chani is Different in Dune: Part Two
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- Why is Chani so different in the films compared to the books?
here is the reason why Chani is different in Dune: part two.
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I don't think it's a good thing for authors or directors to impose their views on the audience and force them into seeing the world the same as them.
I think when a story is told, the audience should be free to take their own conclusions. That is the very definition of free thinking.
GRRM for example is the kind of author that tries very hard not to give his opinion on his own characters, because he believes readers should be free to make their own conclusions, and that is inevitable because we all see the world differently. And I praise him for it.
So, for that reason I don't agree with Chani's change and I don't agree with Frank Herbert saying he only wrote Dune Messiah to make people fall in line with his ideals. Even though I love the books.
If someone, for instance, watches star wars and wants to like Anakin Skywalker's character, that's their choice, and the writer has no business saying otherwise, nor anyone else for that matter.
That's my opinion on the subject. I feel like freedom of thinking is more important than anything else.
I like what you said there. Thank you for giving us your thoughts 🫡
@@Swappin.Thoughts I still enjoyed the movie, it's still an amazing piece of cinematic art.
@@tatianaferreira5998I agree with that as well. He still made the story make sense, but I understand why the book lovers would not like this change.
I’m sorry but I disagree. Art can never be fully separated from the artist and shouldn’t. The author or artist makes the art or tells the story because he wants to convey and idea or philosophy or maybe just a question or a feeling he or she wants the audience to feel. He doesn’t impose his will or interpretation on you, but ideally he guides you to come to the intended conclusions on your own. Unless of course the artists specifically wants you to make sense of something that is deliberately made to allow for multiple divergent interpretations, but then he also has specific intentions with which he does the art.
Ultimately that people celebrated Paul as a hero, means, that Herbert wasn’t successful and hence he made Dune Messiah in an attempt to “correct” that mistake.
Knowing an artists intentions is useful to decode the story of you want to go deeper.
I agree with everything you say.
But Star Wars is not a good example, because Lucas always insists that Dark side/Sith are generic evil. Even though KOTOR 1-2, SWTOR and Clone wars try to walk away from this statement.
I love how they gave her a love for her people and culture so deep that she rejects it being twisted and swept away for someone else's gain
In the book the bene gesserit have been implanting said culture for thousands of years. I hope they still drive home the horrors of idolizing leaders but the point was to show how horrifying religion can be in twisting a group of people. Chani's parent is the one who questions most their beliefs and is a more straightforward leader. Until they meet Paul and begin to believe.
@@BozmundOsyes Kynes is supposed to be the doubter but it would be logical that his daughter think like him. Her being so passive in the books was a mistake imo, her screen counterpart fits better but there, she is not bonded to kynes.
I didn't like it. Book Chani was all of that, plus she was total BG material, able to understand politicking, subtlety, and maneuvering. Film Chani looks great at face value, but upon deeper thinking, reduces her character traits. She was also a mother and a wife in the book. Paul was a father and husband, a family man. Removing their child from the film makes things easier to digest, but ultimately changes them to be more simple people.
i dont think they rich the timeline when paul and chani married and having child yet
I think it is silly, her people’s entire culture REVOLVES around Paul.
In the movie, Chani was pissed and left after Paul's fight with Feyd not because Paul announced that he was gonna marry Princess Irulan, but because she knows that Paul himself still does not fully trust the prophecy, yet intentionally uses it to enslave her people because to him and Jessica it was a way to go against the Bene Gesserit and avenge house Atreides. Him announcing that he will marry Princess Irulan was the confirmation Chani needed that Paul will never stop using her people, because it means that he will become the emperor and stand above them all.
Paul's character is not so black and white. Even though Paul does not fully trust the prophecy, he himself has been brainwashed and used by the Bene Gesserit to the point where his character blends into multiple personalities - he is an incredibly complex character, which makes it extremely difficult to know what's really going on inside his mind.
Chani's character on the other hand is terrible in Part Two. She still very much wants her people to be liberated, just not by.. Paul? Sorry but she just comes off as a bratty rebellious teenager who doesn't know what the h*ll she wants. You might not agree but yes, in the end it really does make her look like she's refusing to bow to Paul simply because of jealousy. If not, you're seriously telling me that out of all the MILLIONS of Fremen who decide to follow Paul she is the ONLY one who sees it as problematic? No way.
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@@Jonipoon I don't agree. We needed opposition, not another doormat sychophant.
@@JonipoonSpoken from a male perspective and NOT ok. Do better.
@@Lily.Fern.1107so let's say a lot of people opposed Paul, just looking at dune 2, what would it have accomplished in the long run?.
I haven't read the books, but it definitely had the effect Villeneuve was going for. Having a character, particularly the protagonists love interest, be skeptical of the prophecy and the imperium makes the viewer doubt at the end of the movie whether Paul is actually the good guy. If that change wasn't made people would have definitely watched the movie and got the wrong idea about the message of the movie
Agreed
The problem is that Chani/Zendaya trowed subtlety out the window. While the book was too subtle, the movie was too much in your face. Vileneuve was more interesting in transmiting the idea of the book, but at what cost? Well Herbert failed in that amd thats why we have Dune Messiah
You think Paul’s the villain? Wait until his son makes humanity walk his Golden Path. A lesson they will feel in their bones.
@@tenebrousjones4897I think the point is Paul failed in his original outlook he didn’t want to be what he became and yet he “fulfilled his destiny” at least in some respects in some interpretations he became a villain to be over thrown to teach the people not to believe in an absolute savior and to save themselves but then his Son came and well for anyone who has read the books ….😅
@tenebrousjones4897 maybe I phased it a bit awkwardly. What I mean is that Paul isn't "the hero" in the traditional sense. It's more complicated than that. His actions are morally ambiguous, and changing Chani's character to be sceptical of the prophesy helped show that ambiguity. Paul is neither hero nor villain because that isn't the story that is being told
PLUS. Paul really does love her endlessly and completely, plus without spoilers, he sees her future. He is a very troubled man with the water of life changing him, as he knew it would.
@ojneverdidit22 facts
@ojneverdidit22Let's switch the genders. New girl comes into your family and charms your parents and everyone else to the point where they like her more than you. She does help you guys by fighting for your freedom, but instead of stopping there she literally leads them into a genocidal war against the rest of the universe. And she snubs you and marries the rich dude.
It's not "stronk wimin" propaganda dude. If Chani was a boy, and just Paul's best friend instead of his lover, he'd be literally the only smart one and not like these sheeple.
Of all the thousands of Fremen warriors following Paul at the end of Dune 2, not a single one of them will live to see the Green Paradise. Paul saw this future and he's choosing to spend their lives anyway.
@ojneverdidit221. Just because someone has divine powers doesn't mean you should blindly follow them. That was the whole point of the books and why Herbert wrote Dune Messiah. Anyway, Paul's magic powers might be the strongest shown but he's not the only one. What if Feyd-Rautha had gotten to Arrakis first and rode the sandworm? Or what if it was just a random Bene Gesserit lady who had even more secret tricks up her sleeve?
2. SuperMagicGirl can see the future(s). How do you know the one she picked is the best one apart from her word? Maybe she tells just enough truth so you believe her but lies about everything else. How do you know she's better than nothing? How do you know the Fremen couldn't have just earned their freedom some other way, without the fanaticism or genocide? Unlike most Fremen, Chani knew Paul directly and would have heard every time he said "the prophecy is a lie / a Bene Gesserit manipulation." All the evidence she has seen says Paul's magic powers and accomplishments are real, but his intentions for going South are false.
3. Chani never argued against Paul leading and helping her people; she argued against the manner in which it was done. The ends do not justify the means. If the manner in which you fight is bad, it pollutes and perverts your cause. It's not a bad thing to change your mind about a charismatic leader that helps you at first but is no longer doing so. For example, Napoleon started as a general fighting to defend the Republic. Beethoven wrote a symphony in his honor. Then Napoleon crowns himself emperor, and Beethoven retracted the dedication. When Paul defeated the Emperor, the Fremen could have stopped there and been free. I don't see anything wrong with Chani leaving after, instead of staying on Arrakis to make their world and lives better, the Fremen sacrifice themselves for Paul's mysterious goals that they do not know and yet do not question. All of those warriors who crusaded for Paul died -- and even the Green Paradise itself was a lie that destroyed Fremen culture and led to the starvation and destruction of billions across multiple worlds.
5. "Why not accept the strong leader?" You can accept, but you can't accept BLINDLY. That's how Germany got Hitler. He stopped the chaos and hyperinflation of the Weimar Republic. He did things that a lot of people couldn't, and gave them hope. He made things better for a time. And then after he started a horrible war and genocided millions of innocent people, and the whole time people were blindly following it without questioning what they were doing. Continually challenging your leaders and questioning them and making sure they know their power is not absolute is what lets you figure out if they're making necessary sacrifices or if they're actually just using you and leading you off a cliff.
6. "Why didn't she do it herself?" Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean you aren't allowed to criticize. Suppose we lived in Germany 1939 and Hitler's just invaded Poland and is about to to for France next. Is it wrong for me to say "Look, I could have never done what he did, and yes he improved the economy and stood up to the unfair Treaty of Versailles, but I'm still skeptical of the way he got power in the first place and I really don't like this war." Or should I just shut up and follow him because he united a fractured Germany, he's brave and has courage, and he achieved a lot of impossible things? "But Paul's not Hitler!" Right, he's worse. Hitler killed millions across Earth because he loved Germany, or something. Paul (or his son, following the same plan) killed BILLIONS across the galaxy because he loved humanity, or something.
7. Throughout the movie I never saw her criticize Paul himself -- she was criticizing the prophecy and the way it twisted both Paul and her own people. She never said she could do better and deserved to be the leader instead of Paul.
8. "That's life...if you can't do something about it, move on." That's... literally what she did? She didn't get into a catfight with Irulan or demand Paul marry her instead. She moved on. Going back to the genderflip scenario, you can either stay on as SuperMagicGirl's side piece and accept a half-existence where you can never be official, or you can find leave and find someone more on your level. I never said Paul was wrong for having a political marriage with Irulan, but that doesn't mean Chani wasn't allowed to be upset. Is it irrational and delusional to quietly leave? Seems like one of the least bratty and most mature things she could have done.
9. "Chani doesn't have a single reason" I would say that she has every reason to disagree with a holy war in Paul's name that will kill a ton of Fremen and a ton more other people, and not really make Arrakis that much better. She might not have known exactly how it would play out, but you don't have to be a genius to see where blind religious fanaticism eventually leads. Because every single holy war in human history builds and ends about the same way.
10. "...to question him" You shouldn't need a reason to question leaders. That's a fundamental right. If they give you reasonable answers and you don't understand then that's on you for being stupid, but leaders aren't entitled to followers' loyalty forever. And Chani wasn't asking stupid questions like "I deserve to get a six figure salary on a bullshit degree". She was literally asking "You said just a few months ago that the prophecy was a lie, and you still believe it's a lie, yet you're repeating that lie to my people -- guys, the Lisan Al-Gaib literally told me in person that the prophecy is a lie!" Which is a reasonable reaction. I don't think she would have been so reticient if Paul had united the Fremen as a leader -- but a human leader -- as opposed to a superhuman infallible Messiah.
11. "How is that not propaganda?" Propaganda to question messiahs, strongmen, and authority? If it was the opposite, where Chani believed like everyone else, wouldn't it just be propaganda to trust the system and the people in power and any charismatic ubermensch who promises he can fix things?
12. "It doesn't matter what the facts are...if you FEEL like it..." The facts are, Paul started off saying the prophecy is a lie, Paul has magical powers, and Paul has extended the war beyond Arrakis. The feelings are, Paul is the greatest most perfect being to have ever existed. The delusion is, that Paul is worth a genocide. The delusion is that Paul is a good guy. I highly encourage you to read the later Dune books (or even an online summary if you don't have the time.) In the end, movie Chani was right. Spoiler: the future Paul chose was so horrible he killed himself rather than follow through, and left the burden to his and Chani's son. Would you still follow SuperMagicGirl into the future she chose, and will force you and your family to live through, while she personally chickens out?
13. "Why should anybody care about her opinion? She is nobody, literally zero. She doesn't have any right to act like that. Her point of view is narrow." She and Paul fought together for months, ostensibly saved each other's lives. She is also a blood relative/fought with/saved the lives of the rest of the tribe that saved Paul and Jessica in the desert at the beginning. She was personally involved in teaching Paul the Fremen way. She is one of a handful of living people who knew Paul as himself and not Lisan Al-Gaib. She's not a nobody. But even if she was, she has every right to publicly question what she sees as dangerous blind worship from other Fremen, just as you, another nobody, question propaganda. As for narrow-minded, she might not have prescience like Paul, but she's less narrow-minded than the other Fremen. The other Fremen are just thinking, 1. Follow Messiah 2. ??? 3. Paradise. Chani was actually considering the implications of giving up your decision-making to another person. They've gone from being physically oppressed by the Harkkonens to mentally enslaved by Paul himself.
14. I'm not saying whether you're right or wrong -- but you are engaging in the same basic right that Chani is. What if SuperMagicGirl girlfriend who can see the future started saying "All men are oppressors, wimin stronk, math is racist, but trust me I can see the future"? And all your family started buying into that? And you were the only one going "What the hell? She literally told me in private multiple times that all this is bullshit that her mom who works in the media industry came up with to control people?" But no, you're just some nobody who dated SuperMagicGirl [[BEFORE she became SuperMagicGirl]]. Sure, Paul never said "math is racist"...he's just casually starting something that he knows will kill 61 billion people. Are you waiving your own right to question Joe Biden or Xi Jinping or whoever, just because you're a comparative nobody? Should the Founding Fathers have shut up because they're nobody colonists, compared to King George and his nobles? Was Martin Luther wrong for protesting the corruption of the 1500s Catholic Church? Sure, King George doesn't have magic powers, but Divine Right of Kings was still a big deal back then. And the Protestant Reformation was literally arguing against what the people of the time accepted as the literal word of God.
I'm not saying "wimin stronk" bullshit doesn't exist in Hollywood, because it does (e.g. Madame Web). But Chani isn't an instance of that, because the movie wouldn't change if it was Paul's best friend Chano saying "Bruh, you've changed."
@@vphan3802 👏👏👏🫡
@ojneverdidit22not you taking out all your hatred for women on a fictional character, Loserrrr📢🥱
As a MASSIVE fan of the books, I actually really like what they did with her for the films.
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Idk I’m waiting to see how this affects messiah, and the birth of the twins. Also Chani was Muad’Dib’s rock, the person that helped him keep his head, and not become consumed by the religion he started. I have my ideas how they’re gonna do this, but I want to see Alia, Feyd’s daughter, Scytale, and Edric
Same I was worried as chanis character actually aged pretty badly
@ojneverdidit22 nobody reading all that
@ojneverdidit22 nah thanks
This what happens when a film maker respects the source material and has the talent and wisdom to adapt it. Never work for Disney Denis.
A talented artist who even does his background research. One of the best directors ever.
He loves the Dune series and stated over a decade ago that he hopes he can get the rights to Dune
Como guionista podrá apostar todo mi dinero a qué fue idea del guionista y el crédito se lo llevará el director 😂
@ojneverdidit22 translation: "OMG they slightly changed a female character to HAVE a brain and not be a submissive object DUNE's director Is WOKE!!!"
@@CertifiedHamasMemberyou're an idiot if you think book Chani didn't have a "brain". You just don't have the scope of mind required for politics.
@@CertifiedHamasMember literally lmfaoooo
Making Chani a realistic atheist in a culture of religious brainwashed people was extremely interesting, more than having her being a tertiary character like in the books.
I love that too. But also unlike real life and real religious people her people actually worship something real, the worms. Which are very much real and are used by them to go around, not just be feared . Also so many fantastical elements are real in this series. Paul does have powers, he has sight , he can do mind control with his voice etc. So I cant really look down on dune people like real religious people that believe in a god in the sky heaven and hell etc. They're actually believing in very material factual beings. Not only that but also their religion was planted by the bene gesserit, not even born out of their imagination. Very interesting. The whole series to me is a huge contradiction in every way
She's isn't atheist she just knows that the Bene Jesserit are manipulatives and controls religions, true Messiah doesn't arrives because genetic technology
@@gokcenakdag8189she’s not Athiest she just doesn’t believe in a white saviour , she said she believes fremen should be freed by fremen ❤
I don’t think she’s an atheist, but she is a skeptic
Not just her but her friends as well. It seems there is a disconnect between the younger and the older generations for some reason
I have mixed feelings. It was surprising for me to see some of the changes Denis made, but he does have good reasons for it. The movies are 10/10, so it all worked out
Exactly!
@ojneverdidit22That’s exactly what I was thinking they can’t have Zendaya the beautiful A-list icon be a concubine.
That’s antifeminist and it’s 2024.
@ojneverdidit22 i'm christian as well. YOU are spitting in the face of God by rambling on and on about how it's bad to show examples of women advocating for themselves against men that are selfish, evil, and manipulative.
Furthermore, if you read the books, watched the movies, or even simply listened to the video, you’d understand that Paul is an ANTIhero. His actions are not noble. He is a FALSE prophet. Chani, as well as the audience, SHOULD be angry at him. Clearly you lack the intelligence to understand simple plot lines.
Your comment directly goes against the word of God and you should truly be ashamed of yourself for your sinful view of the world. You clearly hate women and need to do some serious atonement and praying.
@ojneverdidit22 m christian as well. YOU are spitting in the face of God by rambling on and on about how it's bad to show examples of women advocating for themselves against men that are selfish, evil, and manipulative.
Furthermore, if you read the books, watched the movies, or even simply listened to the video, you’d understand that Paul is an ANTIhero. His actions are not noble. He is a FALSE prophet. Chani, as well as the audience, SHOULD be angry at him. Clearly you lack the intelligence to understand simple plot lines.
Your comment directly goes against the word of God and you should truly be ashamed of yourself for your sinful view of the world. You clearly hate women and need to do some serious atonement and praying.
@ojneverdidit22 What “team” do you think I am?
I didn’t like the change, I really like who Chani was written to be in the books. She was extremely strong without having to be an action hero. She was one of my favorite characters, so to have her displayed completely different wasn’t my favorite.
Yes.
The 2nd book was very depressive and the Best part was Chani and Pauls love.
I think because we don’t have the insight to characters explicit thoughts like in the books, having Chani clearly not believe in the Messiah mythologies planted by the Missionaria Protectiva (Lisan al Gaib) opens up all those dialogues to show the audience that he is in fact not “The chosen one” but is just stirring up the fanaticism. Otherwise it would have just appeared to the audience he was intact the chosen one.
I think that was a reasonable change
Yeah same. I felt it gave more character development to both Paul and Chani.
@@Swappin.Thoughts I think it condensed the bene gesserit as a plot point being condensed with chani questioning all of it was a healthy choice, and helped the audience understand the ugly web of power more clearly, which I always thought was a strong message of the books
Agreed! It gave Chani amazing depth and character
@@wizardlover1324 character yes, depth not even the slightest
I understood the changes but I think Zendaya performance sucked all subtlelty off the movie. And no one stoped her, not Villeneuve not even herself trying to sugest more subtle actions.
Yeah she was glaring and frowning in 90% of her frames throughout the movie.
Nah y’all are just racist.
@@nean3075 she smelled a fart and was trying to figure out who it was ...
Because Hollywood wouldn't accept a main character having a concubine and a wife
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@@Swappin.Thoughts Well it's true, also Zendaya would never have taken the part if that was the case 🤣
I mean, she will be though, that will probably just be her role in the next film
@@ezrafriesner8370 We'll see
@@jackduncan5311 I mean it will be, the power struggle between chani and irulan is the key to like half of it
I'm actually kind of tired of hearing about this whole Paul is an antihero thing when his character did absolutely everything in an honorable fashion and guided the Galaxy away from the worse paths that were possible
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@@Swappin.Thoughts I don't even care that, that was what the author said about him lol
They didn’t want Chani to be a concubine lol
Well she wasn't a queen or a noble so that's what she was anyway.
They wanted Chani to be an actual character
gotta warp any male protagonist in today's day and age...and offer up a female alternative who knows better, does better, blah blah blah. so sick of all this Mary Sue crap. Couldnt just promise to always love him... had to add in "as long as you dont change" knowing damn well that taking on the role that is thrust upon him is going to change him. The original Chani at least trusted in Paul's love for her...even if he fell to the power that he himself dreaded. Paul married Princess Irulan, but refused to consummate, choosing instead to only have children by Chani. Is a messianic character so wrong if they fulfill they promises the prophecy offered? Paul and his children did indeed bring paradise to Dune, and peace... but because their omniscent rule was inescapable, Herbert wanted to make that out as something horrible... still having the American persuasion of democracy as the only good...when not even a century later, our democracy is quickly falling into an inescapable, unoverturnable, all controlling fascist corruption. Empires are not necessarily evil...it depends on the ruler. At least the Atreides were kind and wise and strived for good. that sounds a sight better than getting the illusion of freedom to choose between a douche and turd sandwich. Paul IS a hero. don't need shitty toxic next feminism to tell me Barbie is beneficent and wise and Ken is a power hungry patriarch anti-hero one generation removed Harkonnen.
It's called "Woke cinema" lil bro
It didn’t feel that woke to me.
Fellas is it woke to want your lead characters to be interesting
WRONG.
Herbert never intended Messiah as a book.
It was just the first part of Children. But the book company wanted a follow-up when Dune became a hit.
Messiah is obviously a money grab. Strike while the irons Hot, and all that.
And Messiah is Pathetic.
This clown is making up Dune history as he goes.
Maybe he should stick to making a movie that isn’t so unique from the actual story
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It’s Zendaya, she plays the same character in every film.
I just like the actor who played her feels like she didn't fit the role at all
Been a while since I read the book, but IIRC, Chani never bought into the messianic crap there either.
She loved Paul and bore him a son, but she never bought into the prophecy.
Definitely a character that could've used more spotlight though.
It seems she got more spotlight in villeneuves film than the book.
@@Swappin.ThoughtsI bet they are going to make a spin off of chani’s story. Capitalism baby
@@jedilynx1770doubt it, this isn't disney. these people actually care about the content they produce.
@@Swappin.ThoughtsI disagree with the chani and paul rhetoric. Paul was a hero at least in the first book.
Muadib/lisan al gaib is not a hero.
Paul must take up the reigns (hero's journey) to prevent this character from taking over. To do this he must work against his mother and be careful of his rhetoric constantly.
Movie Chani leaves because she is not as smart as book chani. If Paul stopped at any point everything would get out of control and the jihad would take over - specifically even if Paul died. Paul needed to become emperor. Movie Chani doesn't seem to get it because she just ignorantly opposes all change to 'her people' (I hated that modern rhetoric) too stupid to see it had already happened and now they had to guide it otherwise it would get out of control.
@@thehdtv7552 Book chani definitely doesn’t understand the jihad and goes along with what paul does out of love and doesn’t do much else in the book. The movie improves chani as a character because it actually gives her a character with stuff she wants to protect (her tribes way of life)
She seemed like an immature teenage brat in the movie, very 1D. Pretty sure they just added this element into the movie to combat the "white savior" narrative that people would surely start on. A "call it before they can" scenario. In the book she was more nuanced than the move.
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I agree she was terrible as a character and as an actress - a full time brat. But we know she had to be made a girl boss for ‘modern audiences’
Considering people are already worshipping Paul like they did Rick Sanchez or Walter White I think it’s a needed change. Ideally audiences wouldn’t need that but what ya gonna do.
Nobody who watched Dune 2 is “worshipping” Paul lmao. Everybody who I’ve talked to who has seen the movie knows that Paul becoming the messiah is not a good thing. The movie makes that very clear outside of Chani’s character. Only people with zero media literacy think Paul is a hero
@@jameslough6329You’ll be surprised how many people have not read the books or know anything about Dune. They are also posting videos, sharing how terrible the story is after seeing the new films.
I absolutely love Chani's intellectual glow up.
It’s stupid she’s constantly defying or annoyed at him while also sleeping with him. It made zero sense
The choice made little sense to me especially in the context of Villeneuve's stated intentions.
First, did anyone get the sense from Chani's distrust and antagonism towards Paul that it made him look any more like an antihero? My wife and I both didn't get this impression and my wife has no knowledge of the books to bias her impression. Instead, it just makes Chani look xenophobic. Later in the subsequent film, we will see that Chani was right all along, but the film gave us no reasons to take her side over Paul's besides her suspicion towards outsiders and the Lisan al Gaib. Also in the subsequent film, we won't need Chani to see that Paul will become a genocidal divine ruler.
The reason some people failed to catch the anti-prophet theme of Herbert's first book is not because the Fremen all came to support him so much, but because they missed subtle foreshadowing of the genocidal ruler he was to become. There are passages in the book like this which, if included in the film, would have had the effect far better than making Chani oddly suspicious (there's no compelling reason for her to have greater foresight and wisdom above other characters beyond just plain old distrust) long after Paul rallies the Fremen:
>> Jessica tried to swallow in a dry throat. Presently, she said: ‘Once you denied to me that you were the Kwisatz Haderach.’
>> Paul shook his head. ‘I can deny nothing any more.’ He looked up into her eyes. ‘The Emperor and his people come now. They will be announced any moment. Stand beside me. I wish a clear view of them. My future bride will be among them.’
>> ‘Paul!’Jessica snapped. ‘Don’t make the mistake your father made!’
>> ‘She’s a princess,’ Paul said. ‘She’s my key to the throne, and that’s all she’ll ever be. Mistake? You think because I’m what you made me that I cannot feel the need for revenge?’
>> ‘Even on the innocent?’ she asked, and she thought: He must not make the mistakes I made.
>> ‘There are no innocent any more,’ Paul said.
These types of exchanges give far more insight into the tragically genocidal leader Paul will become as he gains further prescience. I'd even argue that making Chani antagonistic (and rather inexplicably) towards Paul's leadership as his lover detracts from Herbert's central anti-prophet theme. At the very least, all the screen time spent on displaying Chani's displeasure and distrust detracts from time that could have otherwise been more wisely spent exploring this central theme.
Second, Paul wasn't an antihero in my estimate in the events spanning the first book; I don't even agree with DV's assertion. Paul is a conventional hero in every sense (not perfect, but hardly antiheroic) over the events spanned in these two films, and it arguably reinforces the anti-prophet theme that he is heroic. The theme is not that Paul was an antihero all along, but how even the most heroic can end up doing horrible things when they're raised up as prophets by their worshippers and given so much power. It's only when he starts gaining so much prescience that he arguably begins transforming and very consciously making choices that causes so much suffering and death, at which point he becomes arguably more a villain (albeit one with redeeming qualities) if we judge him by his actions.
It's not so much charismatic leaders that Herbert was directly warning about as he clarifies in his interviews. It's more the way they get propped up by their followers.
Dang, bro wrote an abstract for their Masters Thesis 😭
@@Swappin.Thoughts My bad. I'm a bit on the long-winded side! 😅
Yet I'm really disgruntled with this decision. I think Chani's scenes were some of the weakest part of the second film and it seems to be a shared sentiment.
I've seen many people blame Zendaya's acting, but I'm not very good at judging what is or isn't good acting. If I give her acting ability the benefit of the doubt, maybe the reason so many people didn't like her portrayal is because I really don't think these radical changes to Chani's character fit in so well in the context of the parts of the story and themes that DV kept.
@@Swappin.Thoughts Trying my best to forget my knowledge of the books, isn't it also kind of an odd character choice? Say I tried to pitch it to you: "In this story, our protag is actually someone we aren't supposed to be rooting for to succeed; he's actually going to become a genocidal ruler. And the way we'll foreshadow this is that his ultimate lover, who sleeps with him, comforts him, resurrects him from the dead, and ultimately has his children, will be someone who doesn't support him at all as a leader even though everyone else around him does. She's going to be our vehicle to show and tell the audience why we shouldn't be rooting for him." That's just strange from a character motivation perspective, no, to make our protag's ultimate naysayer also his ultimate lover?
Chani isn't slightly different, lol. The only thing you kept about her was the name, Dennis
All the better for it 😊.
As long as we get Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, and God Emperor of Dune idgaf.
She will come around. Paul has seen it. 😂
It is as written
The question now is, how does she come around? If there is a next film, it cannot start the way the book does with respect to Paul and Chani.
Bye😂😂😂😂
I mean, they made Chani just annoying in the movie. Herbert wrote more realistic plot at that time. In movie, Chani didn't even have the reason to love Paul, but somewhy she did.
When the director understands the source material and tweaks it perfectly for the film adaptation 👏🙌
When the director does not care or wants something different, chanes it to adapt to his own vision. He does not care about Frank Herbert's Dune, only his own version.
Having read the books up to God Emperor the change bothered me a little about Chani not understanding the intergalactic politics involved with going from the rebels to the rulers but hopefully the next movie will see her gain a firmer grasp of what Paul must do.
That’s understandable
Because movie Chani doesn’t care about politics she wanted her people to be free. She also knew of Paul’s vision of holy war and how she didn’t want that either
@@britt5650 but alas they cannot just fight half the battle and live happily ever after. It will be interesting to see how she comes to grips with the knowledge of their previous struggle becoming that of the rest of the known universe.
@@britt5650 beeing free involves politics
Don't hold your breath for that.
They made her a nuanced character and that's great
As if she was not a nuanced character in the book. Well, I bet Chani walking away from Paul is more significant to Chani in the books who saw glimpses of future thanks to spice consumption, lost a newborn child to Harkonnen attack, made her own decision about helping Paul fight the war that was coming as she knew her people will suffer either way, was herself trained as Bene Gesserit and understood politics well to accept a political marriage in the span of first book is a weak character story.
How?
I have not read the books.
But "it doesn't take a Prophet to understand" that her character was changed to fit this woke generation
Would she have been given a better role or more of a character, more to say or do or be, maybe I wouldn't have disliked her "kicking and screaming spiel"
They did her dirty making her just a skeptic and an "anti-everything"
SO BORING!!
And not to mention the rebellious independent woman screaming and shouting to get her own way
That is not what a strong woman is...just being a prick lol
I hated her character & they miscast BIG TIME on Chani.
Maybe it was the role & Denis direction which was bad on this part at least.
I write this as a "feminist"
Even I hated how dirty they did Chani to be a dislikable character.
Their love story was bland because of how unaffectionate she was, only a grim warrior's bad attitude
Sad that they have to make "strong women characters" to be exactly like a man.....YAWN ....NEXT!!!
She isn't nuanced in the movie at all. She's one note.
@@meregaming1770 I still can't find this nuance that people are talking about.
This is a perfect demonstration of what good adaptation is. Denis goes against 100% adaptation here in a way so significant that it's completely changing a character, and yet it's done in a way that makes the movie better by more strongly conveying the themes of the source material than it otherwise would! 1 to 1 adaptation is a dogma, not a way to make good adaptations.
I don't think he should have changed her character. He has said he wanted to make dune messiah as the 3rd movie, this would have completed the arc nicely, without altering the original material. That being said I do think he respected the source material very much. In a world of the rings of power, netflix witcher and star wars... it's refreshing
You make some good points!
I don't know if it was necessary or unnecessary or what but it's clear he made the change with the authors vision in mind and wanted to do his best to bring that vision to the screen, which even if he's the worst film maker in history (he's not) he would still get some leeway in my books for that.
Same!
Agreed. He's clearly read the whole series, which is not the same as if he just read the first book.
I was more disappointed that Denis didn’t show the Bene Gesserit fighting style (weirding way) or the space guild navigators. I think that it would have been so awesome to portray the weirding way as showing all the possibilities that a person could be in- like 3 versions of Paul would appear in 3 different positions around Feyd, then, after Paul chose a course of action, only one would be “real” and the others would fade.
Finally. Someone said IT.
Biggest critique from book purist for 84 movie is the weirding Way.
2020s movies had all the technology and nothin'.
And all that praise from sheeps...
What a joke!
In the film, Chani is Chani in name only.
She is a straw atheist/naytheist with significantly less depth than her book counterpart.
Though less egregious than other examples, she girlbosses her way through the film and hurts the presentation. They also include a “mansplaining” scene just so you get the fucking hint.
They wanted her to be the foil to the hilariously fanatical Stilgar, and she makes him look like the sane one.
Still a great adaptation, but the change to Chani sticks in my craw.
Corollary.
The omission of Leto II and all his death instigates is a massive problem.
Alia not being the one to kill the Baron is a huge problem for subsequent films.
Nitpicks.
All of a sudden, the Baron is straight?! Not a huge deal, but it informed his relationship with his nephews.
Gender swapping Dr. Kynes.
Jason Mamoa as Duncan Idaho.
Christopher Walken as Shaddam IV, wtf?!
I sometimes like being misled in films, only to figure it out later on down the plot. Don’t cheat me of realizing it on my own by holding my hand, I can figure it out
Exactly.
Zendaya looks like Branch from Trolls. There I said it. I don’t think he should’ve changed Chani in the movie. Felt out of place and I’m sick of seeing women being portrayed like that. The “strong” woman is played out and not realistic.
I still think he did it in a much better way than Disney.
@@Swappin.Thoughts he really did. I love both movies but part ll was amazing.
Even before knowing the author’s intentions, or even if his intentions were to hail Paul as a hero, the whole thing looked like a dangerous trope of among other things, the white saviour. It is an obvious corrupted character and dynamic.
Considering the number of grifters that unironically think the film is about "traditional family values" and as a positive coming of age story for Paul, I would say Denis tried his best at least 😂
Considering how little media literacy people have these days, I think the change was warranted
I agree
What a load. Those complaints of Paul being a hero were from second hand skeptics who didn’t read the book. Frank had most of the books figured out before he finished the first book of the Dune Chronicles. He didn’t write Dune Messiah to patch things up.
Plus - movie added supernatural element to the prohpercy with addition of Chani magical tears (because God forbid Paul do too many things in the movie on his own) therefore making him MORE of a Messiah.
@@AdamMichalMarkowski well said, I forgot about that detail
“Frank Herbert’s Paul was misunderstood by the readers… so I rewrote Chani 180 degrees to make it more understandable.” Great solution.
Totally missed what he said......
And it's totally cope. He changed the character because 2024 Hollywood is incapable of portraying the Chani from the books.
They did a hatchet job to the book. Why even call it DUNE if you totally change everything to fit your ideology? This movie was a flop because they turned Chani into a cynical stand off of a character. It seems that if you want a more true to canonical version, the SiFI channels version is the best.
Took a lot away from story and a unnecessary change. Part 3 will show all of this. Without chani being completely devoted to paul the ending of part 3 or dune messiah will be taken less intense. Their perfect relationship is what makes it a tragedy.
I really gotta get into the books to get more of an understanding of Chani's character. I've only seen the original Dune, and based on that depiction, the adaptation's depiction of Chani was really hard to sit through. She just came off as brooding and insufferable to me, and it just spoiled the parts of the adaptation I really enjoyed. The realization that Paul's character is actually an anti-hero is an eye-opener, though so again, I gotta crack open those books.
Because they hired a feminist of course
Incel 🫵🫵🫵
This helps me understand why the director made these changes. That said, the second part felt so drastically different from the first part. It also felt drastically different from the book. It was jarring.
I think they could have done things differently. Made it more subtle and believable. Jessica was far too keen on converting the Freman. She was also made to be a monster that was pushing Paul towards drinking the water of life.
Chani and Paul’s relationship felt forced. From her being so opposed to him, to falling in love, to her opposing him again.
Can I also mention how off the Freman felt in the movie. Having their masks off, out in the open. They are a society all about water preservation. Those scenes just didn’t fit them.
The first movie was great. The second has its ups and downs. I can’t say I like it. It just feels so off. I get what the director was going for, I respect the attempt.It just doesn’t land for me.
He changed Chani Stilgar the harkonnen the emperor and ruined the fremen, part 2 is a Hollywood perversion of Frank Herberts book
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I agree with this. They changed the character from the 1st movie, which would lead to a different outcome of the future. She was silent, but a great fighter. She would have followed Paul anywhere, to be with him.
Now, they decided to delete her character for the modern women. We don't want a modern version. We want Frank Herbert's Dune.
I appreciate where he is coming from, but I think changing Chani's character is wrong and bad form. They should've created a new character, maybe Shiskakli's boyfriend or husband. Someone who would've been introduced at the beginning who was close to Chani and possibly be a friend to Paul, jokingly reminding him he is just a man as more people begin to praise him. Until The Fall of Sietch Tabr and Shiskakli's death turning him hateful towards Paul and foreign (Bene Gesserit) influence. Because Shiskakli died because of her newfound belief in the prophecy.
I felt that it killed their chemistry. I never bought them as really in love, and feel that it lessened the impact of her leaving at the end
To be honest, I haven't read the books, but seeing Chani behave that way felt off to me, i knew immediately that they had left the source material to insert a bit of modern political spin to the story.
Like why would someone born and raised in a society steeped with superstition, they basically worship the Sand Worms and perform Fights to the death plus other archaic customs, all of a sudden be so "enlighted" And outspoken against a religion deep rooted in their culture for Thousands of Years. She was preachy and condescending, looking down on all her own people for their religious Beliefs.
Like how did she know it was the Bene gezeret that basically invented their religion?
If she was skeptical of Paul and had doubts accepting Paul as the Messiah, then it would have made more sense but for her to be 100% against the idea of a messiah and the religion entirely such that shes bold enough to even speak derogatoryly to them in the Middle of their Prayers was just stupid.
I heard that in Messiah, some Fremen came to doubt and hate Paul as theor culture and way of Life changed under his Leadership, that is a more realistic way of handling the situation; they changed because they saw things that made them doubt, not just fanatically going against Paul from the get go.
“Slightly different” bruh no her entire character is butchered. I enjoyed the movie but I’m more convinced the character was changed because Zendaya isn’t capable of playing anyone but a cynical punk character
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Yep. That women is Always hired for that.
He changed her to make things simple for himself and the audience. But he fucked up. Slightly different my ass.
she was better in the book and even the original movie. facts.
I agree. I don't like this childish crap they are pushing. I don't like the modern moody woman. I prefer the book's version. There was no needing to change Frank Herbert's Dune's characters.
I hope the real reason is not out of fear from the woke crowd. I noticed that the word concubine, which is heavily emphasized multiple times in the book was never used in the film.
I didn’t mind the change from the beginning and the middle however torwards the end it got very stale 4 me. Paul had no other choice in this matter than 2 drink the water of life, Chani knows this but is still scornful of Paul not even understanding y things happened the way they did, I can accept her not liking the prophecy of the Lisan al geib I thought it added a great conflict 2 the story between the 2 but her just not even having a thought that Paul isn’t 2 blame this just took me out at the end.
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in film Chani behaves like every other Zendaya roles: fatherless teenager with acticist bahavior that have to be correct 100% of times.
The way they are mocking religion and Chani's over the top tough guy act is just modern day non sense. Him framing it as" correcting a misunderstanding about Paul" is disingenuous. I like Zendaya and Dune but her resting bitch face and tough guy tude were too much. Why did that have to be conveyed through her character???
I love this director, THAT is how you change/adapt something to a movie.
Yes indeed!
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lol he ruined half the plot of Dune Messiah by changing Chani, 1st order non mentat thinker
She is just flattened to’ the majority of the female character… in the book she is much stronger but not in the way the modern propaganda like
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@@Swappin.Thoughts In the book she is intelligent and strong enough to bear all’ the consequences of the Paul political actions. In the movie she is reduced to a crybaby in the end
DEI
Not slightly different. And with respect to the author, there is something to say wether or not the author has any say in how his writings are interpreted. Or that his hindsight after the fact doesnt reflect what he actually wrote at the time pen to paper.
Bad move. The accidental book Herbert wrote is far better than the one he tried to write!!
I find it funny that Chauni she says that he "enslaves her people" even though the Fremen are willingly following Muadib,if they're slaves why are they willingly following Paul? Slavery implies they are being forced to obey Paul,but Paul instead gains their respect,promises to bring back the green paradise that Dune once was and even gets rid of house Harkonen who have been subjugating and actually enslaving the Fremen for nearly a century at that point,tell me how Paul is evil?
Because they’re religion was literally made by the Bene geserett. They believe they are following a prophecy when in reality it was a twisted calculated plan to gain their loyalty to Paul.
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Even in that case,Paul is not some evil slave master,he is also a pawn.
The only one who could have improved upon the story would have been Frank Herbert.
I actually like the change because the movie needed someone in Paul's corner to push him not to go south and not to change. There needed to be a dramatic counterweight to the narrative. No one else could try would try to prevent Paul from going south other than her and it also shows that fremen have different views based on where and what they believe which is also explored in the next book.
I did think it developed her character a bit more
I'm sorry, didn't movie Chani push him to go to the south?
@@soullucy4198not entirely. Stilgar and the attack by the Harkanonen as well. And also his fragments of vision with ‘Jamie’.
Why? There would be no point in the added tension. What purpose does a more rebellious Channi serve?
I'm sure the need for a girl boss didn't have anything to do with it
Is it me or is it every role that Zendaya is in? She’s always dragging the protagonist down instead of letting them get to their full potential.
No way home
just you, and if think Paul fulfilling his potential is a good thing (his religious jihad causing the deayhs of billions), i suggest you take a media literacy class or something. Paul must do what he does in order to survive and complete his revenge, but it is not a net good for the universe.
Well people still think Paul is a hero after part 2 so it didn't work
I think the changes to Chani's character was great, borderline genius. So now you have Chani voicing up the personal tragedy of Paul while Stilgar represents the tragedy of the people as a believer in a story that almost will lead to the destruction of his world - definetely of his culture.
If you really want to pick minor plot holes that were opened with the this version of Chani, they are 1) the unlikelyhood that in Fremen society women could be equal to men in every aspect; this ain't happening. However, Chani is very young here, like Paul. So you can still accept they might be a little more 'progressive' and rebellious. I feel like it was not explained enough. 2) Chani is not presented as the daughter of dr. Keynes and all that plot is disregarded; it would also explain why Chani, despite being a very traditional Fremen, might be a little more open to understand Paul and love an outsider.
Slighty? The guy change so much that it is hard to call it Dune
The instant I learned Zendaya had been cast as her, I knew her character had been changed.
Why is that?
@@Swappin.Thoughts Zendaya just isn't that type of actor. She was chosen partly because of who and how she is in real life. Zendaya usually plays "stronger" women, that don't fit with Chani. I like Zendaya's version a lot more. Much more interesting.
@@Swappin.Thoughts Why would you pay A-list actor to say nothing and appear only for 2 minutes in film :D Thats basically how much Chani has lines in the book
@@Hematophwhat's more interesting about her? We've seen her character archetype time and time again.
I like the idea but the execution was sloppy imo
Its more than this. Part 2 does not include Paul losing his Son or the birth of Alia, so Paul loses those critical moments where he confronts his own humanity. Movie Chani is the vessel for humanity.
I wonder if they intend to include those moments in a third movie?
Wait so Alya supposed to be born in part 2?
The only thing I know is I dislike Zendayas Chani
For all the flowery taking points from actors and directors the answer is cynically simple. It’s current year. We can’t have a loyal and subservient woman in media today. The feminists would revolt.
Perhaps… 🤔
Perhaps… 🤔
@@Swappin.Thoughts I trust nothing from these studios these days. If there’s a black man in it, I’m going to ask why he’s a woman and also gay.
My husband and I are an interracial couple. If my husband up and did something against my people, there would be hell to pay. It's easy to just say "it's the feminist's fault", when women aren't allowed to feel a certain type of way. So I'm glad they made the change for Chani, it shows that people don't have to go along with something that is clearly wrong just because you love somebody. This is such a betrayal. Do you enjoy getting stabbed in the back?
It’s not about “the feminists”, it’s about just not being sexist. Having a woman who is loyal and willing to follow someone’s lead isn’t problematic, making women subservient is, as that’s inherently sexist
So ridiculous to change her character this way. As if they could out write Frank Herbert lmao. Give me a break.
"Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah as a response to people who didn't get his intentions". There is no proof Frank even said that, There are however multiple instances said something that contradicts to that. Frank said multiple times that the Frameworks of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are already written even before the first book is finished. He sees the first three books as one giant book, but the publisher forced him to split it to three. I hate when Denis V. spread his misinformation. And it doesn't help when his fanatics uses it blindingly.
Interesting… 🤔
I haven't read Dune messiah yet. I don't know if I want to read it first or waiting for Dune part 3. But this choice kinda proove that the next movie will be different than the book isn't it?
Yeah, there will probably be some slight changes, but I never read the books so I don’t really care. 😂
Villeneuve is absolutely right. Any adaptation in another medium must not be puritanical about adhering to the source material. People only really talk about changes when they fail, but this is an instance where I think most people discussing it agree with the change or at least understand it, and that's where I fall. Any changes to such a detailed and complex world can feel awkward to those who recognize them, but to me, this one stays faithful to the meaning & spirit of the source material without being fanatical. Some of the changes are undeniably related to gender, but none of them were done without careful consideration. We understand the perspectives and position or characters more fully in the books because Herbert can take us inside their head and give us an omniscient explanation. But Villeneuve privileges the visual, which is one of his strengths as a filmmaker. There is a reason Dune has been called unadaptable. The intricacies of each character can't all come across the same way on screen, and many, including Chani, risk falling flat in the narrative. Their roles had to be shifted and they had to be played against one another in a way that let the themes come through to the audience. Jessica's character has changed and she becomes almost undeniably an antagonist in Dune II, because they needed a character to stand in for the prophecy pushing Paul towards his great and terrible destiny. Similarly, Chani is deployed as a stand-in for Paul's inner fear and reservations about this. To me the essential element of her character is that intimacy and friction, and it's present in both iterations. I find it reductive and simplistic to see the changes to characters and attribute it entirely to gender politics.
Dang… it seems like you know all the answers or something. 😂
I think producers should stay in their lane. Good movie none the less
I think they did both. They innovated without overstepping the mark
I didn’t know about this. I just watched the film because my bf forced me to watch it with him. I didn’t like the first because I was tired after a long day at work and the cinema was cosy. On the other hand, the second one was really good. I even had to hold my pee for more than 2 hours ☺️
😂😂 I appreciate the honesty
I'm glad they the director took the time to understand the broader vision Herbert had. I was taken aback a little when I first saw it, but I've gained a greater appreciation for his approach.
I don't like the "boss bitch" take on this, the whole point was that even Chani was influenced to a certain degree by Paul's power, and it was up to the reader to discern the motivations behind what Paul is doing.
Changing Chani was a way of holding the viewers hand, and it wasn't necessary. And honestly, it was all laid out very succinctly in Messiah.
The book is still way better than any adaptation so far.
I have not read the books, but I did watch the old film. I liked the Chani's version better in it, than in this 2024 movie.
Disliked the fact that they change things, in which Frank Herbert wrote them. Never change from the main source.
You are basically destroying the relationship between Paul and Chani. This would lead to a different future, which is why you do not change characters.
I’m pretty sure they are going make chani come back around in part 3.
You realize you can still love someone completely AND still see through they're bullshit. Two things can be right at the same time.
The message the director wanted to bring across with this change of character is generally speaking a good intentioned one, but I think they should have either changed a different character or cast another actress to play chani. As is, it just came across as chani being a petulent child.
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This doesn't change anything cuz the point is people found it out in dune messiah n that's the point Ur a willing partner in the crime of Paul but it doesn't make Paul bad it makes chani annoying n an obstacle to Paul. Never make the love interest to be a obstacle to the person U love it makes the audience hate her that's a fact.
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i agree with with Villenueve, i love the movie
The film is fantastic!
If they wanted to use a character to show Paul as evil, why not use the imperial princess? Chani was complacent in helping Paul wipe out the emperor's bloodline, so shouldn't Chani be portrayed as an anti-hero as well?
IMO, Frank Herbert would approve. He wasn't an egomaniac, he was against egomania, and the worship of such. Therefore, it would be more important to him that the message get through than any exact duplication of his plot. An egomaniac would demand such a thing. Pretty damn sure that Herbert was not a massive hypocrite.
I agree, but Frank Herbert’s message would’ve properly been conveyed if Villeneuve made no changes. The problem with Herbert is that he was too ahead of his time. People seem to forget that this book was written when MLK was still alive leading marches for equality. General audiences are much more skeptical towards white savior motifs now.
Disagree. Frank Herbert would not approve of the change, several if not all authors do not approve of changes to their characters. They find it is akin to a slap to the face.
Its a necessary change! Book Chani goes from bold warrior to quiet wife, which is unbelievable. I much appreciate a logical Chani that sees through Paul's desire for revenge/power in the guise of "helping" her people. Really, he's just bringing them deeper into a war with more of the houses.
Book Chani is barely even a character, just a plot device to introduce Paul to the freman
Book Chani is 100% still a bold warrior and a force to be reckoned with. Did you people even read the fucking book or did you just read some notes from Tumblr? She literally kills someone that comes to challenge Paul because she didn't think them worthy to fight him.
@@NovusIgnisI've come to realize that people have a hard time with literature nuance.
It however also takes away from their relationship and her character at the same time. It’s not a good change but the execution has been adequate
because in the current environment you must can't have a submissive female lead. You gotta have an independent woman who stands on her own. It's just a must to avoid criticism.
I really don’t think that’s the case. Chani was never fully submissive in the book, she had agency even in her role, that’s what the final line of the first book is about. This is just about making the agency she already has more clear
@@ezrafriesner8370tell that to the people claiming movie Channi is better for that reason.