Didn’t really like it as zandiyahs character was not accurate and her acting was flat. Stoic monotone with no real nuance. Her character acts like a little angry teenager in love/lust
When he was looking for a hand-out, as a washed-up prince, it’s impossible/doubted that he could really be “the one,” knowing that the Harkonnen had kilt The Duke Leto Atreides, & flatlined House Atreides it wasn’t a competition, it was pity until the joke was on them… …if you don’t kick’em when they’re down, they will get back-up(as is a common tactic in the real world), because whenever they do get back-up, they automatically set the bar higher, as is the moral ending, when Chani beckons an even bigger sand worm! #SugarAndSpiceAndEverythingNiceShouldntBeASecretServiceReservedExclusivelyThePersuasiveTheSensitiveTheEmpatheticAndOrGirls
they created a nice tension and some elements to help with the next narrative. I think that in part 3 they will concentrate on Paul and Chani's relationship. She will be the one helping him staying on the ground and come back to a fremen life, discarding the politics and the Golden Path, leaving the choice for the next generation. Something around those lines anyways. also the emphasis on the relation between Harkonnnens and Atreides is to set the stage for Alia. Also In the book she grow up faster than normal childrens so the gap of age wont be an issue.
I had a hard time with the ending. Loading up all the Fremnn on space ships ? "Such wealth ! They have water in every in every room!!" Yeah, those are toilets bro
That last scene with the duel between Paul and feyd-rautha was almost exactly how I imagined it. I remember my heart pounding as I read it even though I knew Paul would win; I felt the same way watching it.
Did anyone else notice actor Everett McGill (the 1984 Dune's Stilgar) as the Sardukaur leader in the throne room when the Fremen break in? Great cameo!!!
@@ahhillaire868 But that doesn't matter when they aren't going to do Children of Dune let alone God Emperor. Every statement made has said this whole thing is gonna wrap up with Messiah with no projects planned after beyond the spin off TV show about the Bene Gesserit. This movie is setting up Chani to be Paul's antagonist in Part 3 and she will likely replace the assassination plot ringleaders in the Messiah to try and kill him - afterall, we see a vision of her doing exactly that to Paul in the first movie where she embraces him and then gores him with a knife. The twins won't matter, nor will the original plot of hte book given the changes that have been made to Chani, their romance, and the story at large.
@@JCDenton3 what changes did he made from the books ? Also, i think villeneuve respects the source material to not change paul's real love interest in the films
This movie is on par with empire strikes back in my opinion! What a great film going experience! And i havent been to the theater since oppenheimer. Maybe once a decade movie right here.
No it's not. Yall overrating this. This movie has one note villians. Everyone talks in a grunt voice, and the action is shot well but is over before you can really get into it. That last fight was kinda meh.
That's why they are called villains. Because they do bad things - one note indeed. Did U xpect like a contemporary president or leader of a country of this generation? To understand the "grunt", U need to read the book or at least watch part1. Else they'd be copying StarWars' Jedi persuasion techniques...today we call it NLP. To understand the fight scenes or "action" U have to realise that is how real life combat is, fierce and get it over and done with quick, else U r dead, the trademarks of all real-life combat warrior worth his salt, the term fast and furious actually refers to one on one combat, whether it's Viking berserking or armed combat esp small blade fights ...no Chinese Kung Fu...no ridiculous Jackie Chan antics, and definitely no fly by wire stunts...the mechanics and physics in this movie are underrated as if DaV had a hand in it.
@@dresantana7157ok? I think it's a pretty good movie. I'm just saying it's not the greatest thing and not on the level of lord of the rings. Lord of the rings have some of the best action scenes ever put to film. Friggin 30 min battles. Dune 2 is too tier sci-fi but it's action wasn't on that level.
@@mania4270buddy there is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting something is better than the previous one or it's on par... It's kinda became a habit that people will dislike a movie even if that movie is good...
people have to stop this moronic “white savior” thing. The Fremen were white in the book there is no “white savior.” it’s also not propping up paul as a savior in any real sense.
That was one of the best sci fi battle scenes I have ever seen but it left out some key parts of the Dune book and I have mixed feelings about the movie overall. The first major thing the movie overlooked was the Guild. The Guild Navigators need the spice to fold space. In the book Paul didn't have to ask to ask the great houses to accept him instead he threatened the Guild. Paul said all ships must withdraw or I will flood the spice fields, drown the worms and stop spice production. The Guild Navigators could see the future and they could see that Paul would follow through on his threat. You might be wondering how the Fremen had enough water to do this but in the book Siech Tabr was one of many sieches and each sieach had a big resivor, the Fremen had been slowly collecting water for centuries and by this point they had a substantial amount of water. Some of the great houses wanted to fight Paul but the guild wouldn't fly their ships to Arrakis. The second major thing the movie failed to explain was why Paul couldn't stop the holy war. Both the book and the movie made it clear that Paul did not want an interplanetary holy war because it would kill billions. Imagine you realize that you can't defeat a powerful enemy without help and you can see the future. When you look at the future you realize you need a crazy groups help to defeat you're enemy but if you go against the crazy groups beliefs you see 100 guns pointed at you and then blackness. Paul saw that the only way to stop the Harkonens was to be the Fremen's prophet but if he went against the Fremen's beliefs he'd be a false prophet and quickly overthrown. Paul hoped to slowly tame the Fremen but in the book he wasn't too successful the holy war still claimed alot of lives. The book did alot better of a job explaining this than the movie. Also in the book Chani much more understanding of Pauls marridge because Paul made it clear that Irulan was his wife in name only and all his affection would go towards Chani. Chani also understood that Paul needed to let his Jihadists blow off some steam if he wanted to keep his head. By the end of the book Chani had also come to the realization that even she didn't like Paul using the Fremen for political gain the Harkonen's needed to be overthrown. Paul didn't have to threaten the emperor to marry Irulan, Paul pointed out that a marriage would make both houses stronger and the emperor could save face making the coming war less sever. The moral of the book was clear repressing people to the point where they become religeous fanatics and then trying to use their religious fanatacism for political gain is a bad idea and you would likely lose control. It was kind of a metaphor for us exploiting middle eastern countries for oil. In the book Paul's 6 year old sister Alia stapped Barron Harkoonen with the same poisoned needled that the Barron tried to assassinate Paul with and then levitated the dying baron into a sandworms mouth. I thought that was a much more fitting end to the barron than just getting stabbed. Paul sister was known as Saint Alia of the knife after she disposed of the baron. Finally the movie did not make it clear that Paul saw a future where all of humanity was destroyed. You might wonder why there are no computers/robots in Dune. The are a few prequal books to Dune and in one of the prequels humans fight a war against robots. There are two main robots Omnious and Erasmus. Erasmus is a mad scientist robots who accidentally creates mentats in one of his twisted experiments. The robots are about to wipe out the human race but then Norma Cenva a brilliant mathametician invents faster than light ships and creates the guild, women on a jungle planet Rossak inhale some cave gasses and the first Bene Gesserit Witches are born and a mentat esscapes Erasmus's prison. With the help of the newly formed guild, the first Bene Gesserit sisters and the first mentats it seems like humans defeat the robots. Much later in the serioes you find out that a copy of Omnious and Erasmus made many copies of themselves, a copy escaped and humans must band together to fight off the robots again. Paul sees that if Harkonen's take over they will leave the galaxy in bad shape and humans will fall to the robots.
The thing I don't understand.... If the prophecy is totally made up by the bene gesserit then how come Desert Spring's tears woke Paul? If it's just because he is from a powerful bloodline that can survive it anyway then why did he need the tears, and why did the tears bring him back to life "as was written" in the prophecy?
her tears waking Paul is a dumb movie addition, it's not in the books. i think you misunderstood part of my question, yes sure maybe paul was using Chani (you could interpret it as that) but Chani's name being Desert Spring, which is part of a prophecy made up 150 years ago by the bene gesserit, how could they have predicted that? and how could they predict that the person called Desert Spring would fall in love with the kwisatz haderach, whenever they happen to produce him
The Bene Geserets whole purpose of existence is to plan. We know that much . So they act kind of like a deep state , for the entirety of the galaxy. They “plant” people and situations and see those things through. Paul and Chani can be part of the planted prophesy. How do they do that? Well, how does a box where you put your hand in give you unimaginable pain? It’s part of the mythos of the story suppose .
10/10 Masterpiece. This is my generation's our LOTR Return of the King, Our Ben Hur and Our Lawrence of Arabia. Denis Villenueve has made a movie that will be spoken of 50 years later as a masterpiece 🔥
In the sense that it is released now, it is for our generation tho source material is very old. After watching Dune 2 yesterday in the cinema, I remember clearly saying this is my number 2, after my preciousLOTR@@yanniszaxaro
No its not. This movie was good but not on the level of those films. The characters are forgettable, the villians are one note and either yell or scheme. I like this movie but lets not overrate it
I like that the film left off with the image of Chani struggling to maintain her composure after what she has seen Paul begin to do. This film really upped the ante set up by Part 1 and the characters’ growth was improved so much
@@Andrewoval Just rewatched the scene, they say "representatives of the spacing guild", not navigators. What I meant was the - not sure how they are called, havent read the books yet - fully transformed dudes, like at the start of the Lynch movie
I enjoyed this film more than the first probably because of the importance of Paul’s ascension. Looking forward to the final film to see how they continue from part 2. Timothee did an incredible job
Good movie. Changes : No born Alia, no water of life orgy, no Paul's son getting killed, no Baron Fenring, Chani being way more angry and contrarian than in the book (this one, I dont see the point, and I didnt like), contrary to the movie Paul's coma was lived in relative isolation and played out slightly differently (Jessica tried to revive him in an isolated room for days, and then asked for Chani's help; they were afraid he wouldn't wake up and the Fremen started to have doubts of if he was dead), no Thufir Awat, no Navigators, holy war starts a bit too fast.
the point of chani being more aware of Pauls path was to help make the original authors point more clear, paul is not a hero and he was never meant to be in the books, chani is the directors way of making that more clear in film
Why do you call the prophecies fake? Every word of them in "Dune" will come to pass. Every single one. And Paul is not a fake prophet, he is a literall prophet, he sees the future.
what I enjoy about the theme is the emphasis on honor, a kind of chivalry so that although its science fiction and set in an advanced civilization when characters physically battle its with blades so that both combatants are equal in firepower advantage and the battle relies on knowledge, finesse skill set and fighting spirit. In the world of martial arts this is called Ki or Chi in Phillipino blade martial arts this is heightening your awareness of your opponents, for lack of a better word, fighting energy. This concept is also taught in Wu Shu. The blade fighting sequences incorporate some Phillipino and some Indonesian Silat techniques, very well choreographed scenes. For me watching even in mass battle scenes the fighting is one on one very entertaining for a martial arts practitioner its very intriguing. Excellent movie Im going back to watch it in theatre XD.
You messed this up very badly. Paul does become a monster, but in the book the reader never knows for sure that Paul is correct or not. He thinks the path he tries to follow is the only way forward to a better galaxy. Paul does not think it leads to happiness for himself, he is sacrificing himself. Paul thinks the massive war is justified, but he might be wrong. Is he wtong? It seems he is, he bought his own BS. (He basically Thanos). Herbert was disappointed that readers often thought Paul is a hero. The movie is making it clear. Btw, it's not capitalist. It is feudalist, mixed with socialist, it is nothing about money. It is about who gets one resource. The corporations mentioned are owned only by the aristocracy, there are no free markets. Everything is either a collective, or a monopoly setup by the crown.
I'd argue that it's capitalist, and it is about money. Gurney's entrance in the second movie is about him collecting spice to sell at the black market. The tub scene from part 1 with the Baron and Glusso is literally about how Baron's need to reclaim Arrakis so he can remain in power and, in consequence, secure the wealth.
You can look at this from 2 perspectives you clearly see it through a anti religious scope. However this is also a self fulfilling prophecy that bolsters the messianic trope and gives the Stilgar perspective no matter what he does he is the one
In the novel Paul wouldn’t even sleep with Irulan. I think what will ultimately drive Chani back is either Paul starting to terraform Arrakis or she’s pregnant with the first Leto II (not the one who became a worm, the one who got assassinated, as the time gap in this movie is smaller than the book)
Dune is not a “white Savior” The Fremen were white in the books Chani had red hair. This is completely stupid to promulgate. It’s just about charismatic leaders and governments not just white ones.
The Bene Gesserit didn't plant a "FALSE" prophesy on Arrakis...they planted a self-fullfilling prophesy about the coming Kwisatz Haderach. They planted these prophesies with the intent of fullfilling them later, with their own created "superbeing". Once that creation was complete, all of those prophesies would be fullfilled, and those populations would naturally fall under thier control. The prophesies were manufactured...but there was nothing "false" about them.
he was better. he wasn’t evil he was just a person. The Baron was a pedo Paul is absolutely a better human. the point is that it doesn’t matter who is in power, power will corrupt everyone. It doesn’t mean paul is just as bad as the baron.
bro if you had ever read the books you would understand there was no choice for paul for humanity to not go extinct there was a golden path paul knew by the future visions that this had to be done though paul couldnt implement the golden path his son did
This is the best explanation I’ve seen of this movie on TH-cam. As a person of colour that loves the movie franchise I’m so happy they gave Chani agency her powerful speech “this is how they enslave us” is so important. It’s why this movie didn’t fall into the white saviour trope. I am keen to see how they make Paul and chani will come back together in the 3rd movie adaption. ❤
Who cares about color. We’re all human keep seeing yourself as colored we will stay divided. We are all American and even further than that human, rise above the governments that rule us.
Unlike other YTers this is an explanation of Dune and how it relates to our society not exactly about explaining the movie itself for those who dont read the book. ...and Should have warn us about the spoilers coming last half of the video.
@@darthhaitham5449 They went to fight Jihad( Holy war) in ther messiah name. They are going to kill everyone who do not worship their messiah, and start force others to Sumit to Muad'Dib religion anyone opposes them die I think around 61 billion ppl died 9 planets destroyed, many ppl died from sterilization. Yeah we are the bad guys 😂😂
It bothers me that the film left out the fact that Chani and Paul had a son together "Leto II the Elder" and their son was killed however the movie was really good
“White savior” This movie had literally nothing to due about race. Way to squeeze in nonsense. It was a political game of chess. Secondly, colonialism?! No, imperialism. NOT colonialism. Also, the power struggle had literally nothing to due with capitalism. Governments were fighting over resources that enabled power. no businesses had any say in what was going on, therefore, not capitalism. God, whoever wrote this doesn’t understand what they are talking about.
I really doubt they do a time jump. My assumption is that the third movie ends where Messiah begins only because there are so many loose ends that need to be resolved.
This helps a lot. i understand now that it is on purpose that the audience does not sympathise with Paul at the end of dune 2 anymore. I was quite perplexed by his decisions at the end: why choose and start this holy war and abandon your lovelife? Because it is “fate”? Already known that you can change the fate/dreams. Is it just a grab for power? His Mother really seems like that in the end as well when she even abandones the Bene Gessserit lady. Just because of revenge? Seems awkward and not really what Paul wants, also he already got his revenge on the Baron and the Emperor. To save the Fremen from something worse than a genocidal war? We never really get shown much repression by these older royal houses so not something to really empathise with either. Was it because he really cared for the dream of the Fremen for making a green paradise of Dune? It doesn’t really seem like he cares so much about that either. We never heard any lines like “this land is ill, and I need to restore it to it’s former glory or anything’ he only uses the promise of the green paradise as reason to go into war. Which he quite feared in the middle of the movie. I was really like: why don’t you and Chani not just find a nice shelter or Oasis in the desert and live happily after all??
The screwed up the ending! One of the greatest love stories in the known universe and y'all f×cked it up. Channi was in on the plan and even told his mother that is it had to be that way. Paul actually worked to dispel his own mythos and Leto 2 taught humanity exactly how dangerous religion is.
I wish I knew why they didn’t keep the ending the same as the book. If Dune: Messiah is in the works they are going to have quite a lot of explaining to do on how Chani got back with Paul.
Pay attention to the ques, they won't be adapting Messiah directly it will be a loose inspiration instead. Chani literally ran off, she said she would no longer love him if he came back changed, she spent half her screentime fighting him ideologically and personally. Remember the first film, where in one vision Paul has he meets with Chani and he looks happy to see her and embraces her, then she gores him with a knife while they embrace? They are setting her up to be the ringleader of the assassination plot against Paul that took place in the book. Since there is not plan to continue the story after Messiah, there is no need for them to have children since the story ends in Part 3, hence no Children of Dune, God Emperor, etc.
There's lots of stories abbreviated for the movie, but Rabban's is low on the pecking order for me. Rabban isn't a central character, he's a lever used by the Baron in an attempt to manipulate the people of Arrakis. In the book, Baron Harkonnen continually pushes Rabban to be a tyrant, with the idea he will replace Rabban with Feyd Rautha. He hopes this will make Feyd loved by the populace. Rabban's death in the book happens "off-screen," it is simply reported to Paul that the populace beheaded Rabban during the Fremen attack on the Emperor's camp. If anything, Rabban having a showdown with Gurney Halleck is created to give them both a climatic moment in the film. Brief though it may be, it's more than Rabban was afforded in the book.
Obviously the commentator never read the books, or misunderstood them. There, Paul was a tragic, sympathetic figure ... he could see his own future - all outcomes were horrible - and he tried to choose the path that would result in the fewest deaths and the least suffering. He never wanted to become Emperor. These movies don't really capture that well.
This explanation from Looper is ... well it's wrong. It's ill-informed and portrays Paul as no better than those who came before him. Paul is NOT using his powers to get revenge for his family. Any revenge is a by-product of a much bigger goal and in many ways irrelevant. Paul is a tragic figure, doomed with the knowledge that in order to achieve an ultimate Good he MUST do unspeakable Evil. He's not a madman with a belief, although from the outside (i.e. from every other person's perspective, because they do not have the book to guide them) he'll be a fanatic tyrant. He literally KNOWS what he must do, and that it is utterly unavoidable. Once he takes the Waters of Life, he gains full prescience. Before taking the water, he would see glimpses of possible futures, but wasn't always sure how accurate they were. After taking the water, he gained the ability to speak with all his ancestors, to use their council/advice. He also could see ALL possible futures and follow every possible thread to its conclusion. In knowing every possible future, Paul becomes a slave to a single thread, to ONE possible future. This is because in *every other* possible future humanity destroys itself and becomes extinct. (This idea was adapted and used in the Avengers plot.) This is also what the Bene Gesserit saw - the unavoidable extinction of humanity in every future they could possibly see - which led them to create their breeding program to eventually cause the Kwisatz Haderach to be born. The Bene Gesserit could only see the female side, and they hoped by creating a male who could withstand taking the Waters of Life, he would see a way to avoid extinction. And he did.
The amount of arabic sentences / words used in the movie really twisted my brain. Because it's almost never used for the correct meaning. I did like the movie even though i was confused half the time.
It's not arabic. It has its roots in arabic, but it's set 10000 years in the future. 10000 years ago in the past, arabic didn't even exist in our world. It's a miracle that in the future, something resembling arabic in some form survived.
I think Chani will be the secondary antagonist from Dune 3: she's heartbroken because of Paul and i think she'll want make her pay. Honestly i understand her cuz if someone did the same thing to me i'll have the thirst of revenge too.
Haven’t read the books. Just finished the 2nd movie. Based on the 2nd movie if Chani has Paul’s child and the new queen has Feyd-Rautha’s child that could set up good contention for the throne. Curious how it plays out.
One or two of those constant beam lasers (that were used throughout the film) would have taken out all the emperors soldiers. Literally just sweep back and forth and chop them all in half. No atomics, no worms, no melee needed
The seitch metaphor: I keep cheese in my refrigerator until it is old. Then I get new cheese, and it's vegan. At least it's supposed to be. You never know. When your nipples feel weird because of the feng shui, then you know.
even with the part 2 ending, Paul pretty much reminded Chani that she will be the only one woman she will ever love till he dies, so i doubt they will change that, but who knows.
So by Paul being the messiah and leading the freman to paradise through a holy war this movie is disproving the white savior complex? Seems to me that it embraces the white savior complex
The Reboot of Dune part 1 and 2 was for me and i think for a lot of other people, finally WE get a good,good,good,MOVIE. But there is only one little thing what kept me a little bit unsatisfied about the ending of Dune part 2, and that is that the BIG action battle scenes and the revenge of Paul and Gurney and the rest was so short. Here was a change to make a Real Game Changer and not have to be the same reboot with less scenes in it. Don't get me wrong, the 2 Movies where Masterpieces for sure!!! The Best 2 movies of the last 2 Decades ( 20 years ). For me it felt like a missed opportunity, but maybe there is a longer version Dune part 2 as a surprise.( extended version i hope ). I know less is sometimes better, but it felt to me a little rushed on the end, but still i would give the two movies a BIG 10 for acting, music, atmosphere, costumes, everything was good organized. All in all the movies were FANTASTIC!!!!!! That is were i want to end this, Positive. I hope that Dennis is gonna make more of this kind of Movies, Maybe if he would REBOOT Star Wars 7,8,and 9, THAT WOULD MAKE TOTALLY SENSE !!!!!!!!LOL. NO JOKE 🤨, If he would have made Star Wars the last Trilogy this GOOD? But that is for the future, within 10 Years Dennis !!!!!!, HINT 😉😁
With regards the critique with capitalism, that is a straw man fallacy. Capitalism doesnt play a part on Dune, there is no free market. However, there is heavy evidence of merchantilism and colonialism and guilds, based on medieval economics principles where the empire give license to the West Indies to exploit the colonies. If there were presence of capitalism in Dune everybody can basically extract the spices wiuth free trade and competition and not the monopolistic exploits of one house at a time.
Whatever you think is the true version of capitalism is a mere fantasy of the addled libertarian mind. No such thing exists in the real world nor at any point in history.
7:12 ok I think maybe chani expected Paul to tell her people that the prophecy is fake instead he leaned more into it to avenge his father death and take power. This is exactly what she feared would happen. But idk she said she still wanted to fight and she did so. Idky she would risk her life just to watch everything unfold out of her favor. I do like the idea of chani trying to wake others out of the matrix and be more of a rebel.
It's a good film alongside Dune 1, if you can just forget the book ... it has internal consistency but it will have to end up in a very different place by the last reel of Dune 3 because so much damage has been done to the sub-plots as Herbert wrote them. It will be as impossible to maintain any integrity Dune Messiah because the changes made to the plot (or perhaps, more accurately, the plot changes plus the sub-plots removed) in these films, mean that the central conspiracy in Dune Messiah will make no sense. From that perspective, for all of the dodginess of the DeLaurentis adaptation, I preferred that.
Overall incredible, but Villenueve’s major departures from the book were for the worse. Paul neglecting to tell Chani in advance that the marriage proposal to Irulan would be a formality is way out of character. It simply serves as a mechanism to add drama to the story by creating a false “betrayal” of Chani. The religion vs atheism dynamic in Fremen culture is non-existent in the book and makes for a lopsided and unnecessarily blunt criticism of faith. Villenueve paints religious people as narrow-minded simpletons who see the hand of the divine in everything. He makes Stilgar into a caricature of this, which is tragic because he is such an intelligent, pragmatic, and sophisticated character in the book. Villenueve’s critique of faith also creates a huge elephant in the room in the obvious parallels between Paul and the Muslim prophet Mohamed (e.g. messiah and jihad) making the film a particularly scathing critique of Islam. Herbert intended Dune to be a critique of hero worship and cult of personality more so than religion, and he does so with subtlety and good storytelling. In contrast, Villenueve’s changes come off as blunt and political. The film would have been better if he had stuck to the story and let Herbert speak through it rather than take the Disney approach.
Agreed, and Herbert's misunderstood quote "beware charismatic leaders" is as much about beware of what society does on its own when it spellbinds itself to one, he was worried about people's tendency to want to create heroes that added to the power of these people in a way they never could themselves. Herbert doesn't buy the old "just following orders" excuse, and puts responsibility on Paul but also on the Fremen themselves - even if he killed himself, the Fremen still would have gone on the Jihad and killed billions. The film seems to be boiling it down to just Paul and Jessica are in the wrong and the Fremen are innocent for being manipulated, which isn't truly the case.
Agree with much of what you wrote. Chani was a believer; Paul was not calculated in the book; he lived and became Fremen for almost 5 years, not a 16-year-old who, in 6 months, became their leader!
Though the director took liberties with his movie against Frank Herbert's book, the movie's ending was more believable than the previous film interpretations. The Great Houses would never accept Paul's ascension to the imperial throne just because he had won one battle against Shaddam IV and claimed Princess Irulan as a war bride. Paul threatens the status quo and they would never legitimize his rule over them. Paul using his family's atomics as a threat against the spice fields and to wipe out all spice production forever immobilizes the Great Houses . His fanatical Fremen warriors spread across the universe with immunity with the message of convert or die. Millions, if not billions, will die until all submit to Paul's rule or die from their melange addiction.
Same. I was sitting in the theater thinking "I wish there were subtitles" for a lot of parts where there were none because I couldn't understand what was being said
I don't like the analysis this clip gives of the movie. But Dune 2 is also amazing like Dune 1. Perhaps a few things seemed rushed but despite this it still made me clench my seat and gave me the chills a few times. So. Darn. Good.
I always thought the story was gruesome, but this adaptation was very cinematic. I was surprised by the failure of this commmetary to note the deletion of the obvious biblical reference in the earlier movies & book, i.e. the reference to paul the Messiah's word being his invincible sword. The weirding module/voice? He would strike them with the rod of his mouth
Paul was not assassinated in the book; the tleilaxu gave him a "zombie" Duncan Idaho who is supposed to assassinate him but who overcame that "programming". In the end, Paul really became blind - with no more prescient powers to see - when his new son was born. Being blind, he followed the Fremen way and walked out into the dessert to die.
I wish the review would leave out the aspects about colonialism and capitalism. The theme of people needing a messiah, and of a messianic figure who abuses the power given to him, transcend any contemporary analogy or any particular set of values.
Just read the books and you understand better than any movie what is meant and how everything developed....its an interesting movie but not better than any before this one
How did you like the ending?
Didn’t really like it as zandiyahs character was not accurate and her acting was flat. Stoic monotone with no real nuance. Her character acts like a little angry teenager in love/lust
When he was looking for a hand-out, as a washed-up prince, it’s impossible/doubted that he could really be “the one,” knowing that the Harkonnen had kilt The Duke Leto Atreides, & flatlined House Atreides it wasn’t a competition, it was pity until the joke was on them…
…if you don’t kick’em when they’re down, they will get back-up(as is a common tactic in the real world), because whenever they do get back-up, they automatically set the bar higher, as is the moral ending, when Chani beckons an even bigger sand worm!
#SugarAndSpiceAndEverythingNiceShouldntBeASecretServiceReservedExclusivelyThePersuasiveTheSensitiveTheEmpatheticAndOrGirls
they created a nice tension and some elements to help with the next narrative. I think that in part 3 they will concentrate on Paul and Chani's relationship. She will be the one helping him staying on the ground and come back to a fremen life, discarding the politics and the Golden Path, leaving the choice for the next generation. Something around those lines anyways. also the emphasis on the relation between Harkonnnens and Atreides is to set the stage for Alia. Also
In the book she grow up faster than normal childrens so the gap of age wont be an issue.
...I didn't see it 😕 lol. Dune walked so Stargate and star wars and star trek could run
I had a hard time with the ending. Loading up all the Fremnn on space ships ? "Such wealth ! They have water in every in every room!!" Yeah, those are toilets bro
The biggest question in Dune is, how do they get off the sandworm??
The worm stops and says have a great rest of your day
😂 that's what I was thinking too.
How did the Reverend Mother even get on it??
Bruh, how do they get everyone on it, including the pregnant Jessica, is my question!
they probably jump, but i dunno how they got jessica off it
That last scene with the duel between Paul and feyd-rautha was almost exactly how I imagined it. I remember my heart pounding as I read it even though I knew Paul would win; I felt the same way watching it.
Did anyone else notice actor Everett McGill (the 1984 Dune's Stilgar) as the Sardukaur leader in the throne room when the Fremen break in? Great cameo!!!
I didn't even know that they brought him back for this film, that's really cool.
Did not see that but that is cool.
It's actually singer Steve Wall from the Stunning who is the Sardukaur leader.
I can't find this info anywhere???
@@Biggest_tonyGood spot it actually is him. He plays the same character Bashar as Neil Bell did in part1.
I'm glad you mentioned the betrothal would not bare offspring.... it's an important point highlighting Paul's love for Chani.
could that be changed in part 3?
@@kosta5980we shall have to wait and see. I doubt Villeneuve will change that element
@@kosta5980 doubt he’ll change that. That aspect is important to the storyline of Dune Messiah. Chani is supposed to give birth to the God Emperor
@@ahhillaire868 But that doesn't matter when they aren't going to do Children of Dune let alone God Emperor. Every statement made has said this whole thing is gonna wrap up with Messiah with no projects planned after beyond the spin off TV show about the Bene Gesserit. This movie is setting up Chani to be Paul's antagonist in Part 3 and she will likely replace the assassination plot ringleaders in the Messiah to try and kill him - afterall, we see a vision of her doing exactly that to Paul in the first movie where she embraces him and then gores him with a knife. The twins won't matter, nor will the original plot of hte book given the changes that have been made to Chani, their romance, and the story at large.
@@JCDenton3 what changes did he made from the books ?
Also, i think villeneuve respects the source material to not change paul's real love interest in the films
This movie is on par with empire strikes back in my opinion! What a great film going experience! And i havent been to the theater since oppenheimer. Maybe once a decade movie right here.
No it's not. Yall overrating this. This movie has one note villians. Everyone talks in a grunt voice, and the action is shot well but is over before you can really get into it. That last fight was kinda meh.
That's why they are called villains. Because they do bad things - one note indeed. Did U xpect like a contemporary president or leader of a country of this generation? To understand the "grunt", U need to read the book or at least watch part1. Else they'd be copying StarWars' Jedi persuasion techniques...today we call it NLP. To understand the fight scenes or "action" U have to realise that is how real life combat is, fierce and get it over and done with quick, else U r dead, the trademarks of all real-life combat warrior worth his salt, the term fast and furious actually refers to one on one combat, whether it's Viking berserking or armed combat esp small blade fights ...no Chinese Kung Fu...no ridiculous Jackie Chan antics, and definitely no fly by wire stunts...the mechanics and physics in this movie are underrated as if DaV had a hand in it.
@@mania4270I disagree but that’s your opinion. It’s a top tier movie and most think so. You might be the minority
@@dresantana7157ok? I think it's a pretty good movie. I'm just saying it's not the greatest thing and not on the level of lord of the rings. Lord of the rings have some of the best action scenes ever put to film. Friggin 30 min battles. Dune 2 is too tier sci-fi but it's action wasn't on that level.
@@mania4270buddy there is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting something is better than the previous one or it's on par... It's kinda became a habit that people will dislike a movie even if that movie is good...
people have to stop this moronic “white savior” thing. The Fremen were white in the book there is no “white savior.” it’s also not propping up paul as a savior in any real sense.
White desert people? Yeah right
Moral of the story: Don't cheat on Zendaya.
no, he did the right thing, so she can stay with Tom holand
This comment had me rolling hahahahah 😂
😂😂
He didn’t cheat , he doesn’t like irulan it’s pure political . He loves Chani
Irulan is way more beautiful, he choose right 😂
That was one of the best sci fi battle scenes I have ever seen but it left out some key parts of the Dune book and I have mixed feelings about the movie overall.
The first major thing the movie overlooked was the Guild. The Guild Navigators need the spice to fold space. In the book Paul didn't have to ask to ask the great houses to accept him instead he threatened the Guild. Paul said all ships must withdraw or I will flood the spice fields, drown the worms and stop spice production. The Guild Navigators could see the future and they could see that Paul would follow through on his threat. You might be wondering how the Fremen had enough water to do this but in the book Siech Tabr was one of many sieches and each sieach had a big resivor, the Fremen had been slowly collecting water for centuries and by this point they had a substantial amount of water. Some of the great houses wanted to fight Paul but the guild wouldn't fly their ships to Arrakis.
The second major thing the movie failed to explain was why Paul couldn't stop the holy war. Both the book and the movie made it clear that Paul did not want an interplanetary holy war because it would kill billions. Imagine you realize that you can't defeat a powerful enemy without help and you can see the future. When you look at the future you realize you need a crazy groups help to defeat you're enemy but if you go against the crazy groups beliefs you see 100 guns pointed at you and then blackness. Paul saw that the only way to stop the Harkonens was to be the Fremen's prophet but if he went against the Fremen's beliefs he'd be a false prophet and quickly overthrown. Paul hoped to slowly tame the Fremen but in the book he wasn't too successful the holy war still claimed alot of lives. The book did alot better of a job explaining this than the movie. Also in the book Chani much more understanding of Pauls marridge because Paul made it clear that Irulan was his wife in name only and all his affection would go towards Chani. Chani also understood that Paul needed to let his Jihadists blow off some steam if he wanted to keep his head. By the end of the book Chani had also come to the realization that even she didn't like Paul using the Fremen for political gain the Harkonen's needed to be overthrown. Paul didn't have to threaten the emperor to marry Irulan, Paul pointed out that a marriage would make both houses stronger and the emperor could save face making the coming war less sever. The moral of the book was clear repressing people to the point where they become religeous fanatics and then trying to use their religious fanatacism for political gain is a bad idea and you would likely lose control. It was kind of a metaphor for us exploiting middle eastern countries for oil.
In the book Paul's 6 year old sister Alia stapped Barron Harkoonen with the same poisoned needled that the Barron tried to assassinate Paul with and then levitated the dying baron into a sandworms mouth. I thought that was a much more fitting end to the barron than just getting stabbed. Paul sister was known as Saint Alia of the knife after she disposed of the baron.
Finally the movie did not make it clear that Paul saw a future where all of humanity was destroyed. You might wonder why there are no computers/robots in Dune. The are a few prequal books to Dune and in one of the prequels humans fight a war against robots. There are two main robots Omnious and Erasmus. Erasmus is a mad scientist robots who accidentally creates mentats in one of his twisted experiments. The robots are about to wipe out the human race but then Norma Cenva a brilliant mathametician invents faster than light ships and creates the guild, women on a jungle planet Rossak inhale some cave gasses and the first Bene Gesserit Witches are born and a mentat esscapes Erasmus's prison. With the help of the newly formed guild, the first Bene Gesserit sisters and the first mentats it seems like humans defeat the robots. Much later in the serioes you find out that a copy of Omnious and Erasmus made many copies of themselves, a copy escaped and humans must band together to fight off the robots again. Paul sees that if Harkonen's take over they will leave the galaxy in bad shape and humans will fall to the robots.
The thing I don't understand.... If the prophecy is totally made up by the bene gesserit then how come Desert Spring's tears woke Paul? If it's just because he is from a powerful bloodline that can survive it anyway then why did he need the tears, and why did the tears bring him back to life "as was written" in the prophecy?
Omg thank you, that’s exactly what I was thinking too
He used Chani, as he wasn't dead. The opportunity arose to fulfil the prophecy but not as legit as destiny said.
her tears waking Paul is a dumb movie addition, it's not in the books. i think you misunderstood part of my question, yes sure maybe paul was using Chani (you could interpret it as that) but Chani's name being Desert Spring, which is part of a prophecy made up 150 years ago by the bene gesserit, how could they have predicted that? and how could they predict that the person called Desert Spring would fall in love with the kwisatz haderach, whenever they happen to produce him
@@ghostofguyholy shit wow
The Bene Geserets whole purpose of existence is to plan. We know that much . So they act kind of like a deep state , for the entirety of the galaxy. They “plant” people and situations and see those things through. Paul and Chani can be part of the planted prophesy. How do they do that? Well, how does a box where you put your hand in give you unimaginable pain? It’s part of the mythos of the story suppose .
Chanis character was way different in tge 2nd half of the movie than the book....and her early irritation is off-putting
10/10 Masterpiece. This is my generation's our LOTR Return of the King, Our Ben Hur and Our Lawrence of Arabia. Denis Villenueve has made a movie that will be spoken of 50 years later as a masterpiece 🔥
NOT EVEN CLOSE .. BECAUSE IT IS A REMAKE.. THERE IS A TRILOGY OF DUNE AND ONE MOVIE ALONE .. SO NO DUNE IS NOT OF THIS GENERATION
In the sense that it is released now, it is for our generation tho source material is very old. After watching Dune 2 yesterday in the cinema, I remember clearly saying this is my number 2, after my preciousLOTR@@yanniszaxaro
No its not. This movie was good but not on the level of those films. The characters are forgettable, the villians are one note and either yell or scheme. I like this movie but lets not overrate it
@@mania4270 Definitely not on the levels of those great films but this is an amazing thrill.
this is good compare to some marvel movies. But not comparable to Ben hur. BEN HUR is one of the greatest
I like that the film left off with the image of Chani struggling to maintain her composure after what she has seen Paul begin to do. This film really upped the ante set up by Part 1 and the characters’ growth was improved so much
It was really changed from the book. Chani had none of these concerns at all. Plus they lost a child.
Only a fool would like or understand the behaviour of Chani in this film. Zendaya is a terrible actress too.
Watching Dune 2 in IMAX took this masterpiece to another level...
Holy shit this was such an amazing movie to see. Only a little bit disappointed we were still not shown any navigators. I wanna see them
In the first movie they were there to give Leto arrakis. They were breathing spice inside a fishbowl
@@Andrewoval Just rewatched the scene, they say "representatives of the spacing guild", not navigators. What I meant was the - not sure how they are called, havent read the books yet - fully transformed dudes, like at the start of the Lynch movie
Spoiler Alert
Personally, i loved that paul calls the baron grandfather and then kills him. Its more poétic than the novel
It was pretty chilling and it was effective
But imagine a toddler doing the same... 🤭
No. It's far more poetic when 5 year old Alia does it.
I'd have loved if he showed him his face and told him that he's an Atreides.
Watched the movie today my word, absolutely fantastic and epic.
I enjoyed this film more than the first probably because of the importance of Paul’s ascension. Looking forward to the final film to see how they continue from part 2. Timothee did an incredible job
Good movie. Changes : No born Alia, no water of life orgy, no Paul's son getting killed, no Baron Fenring, Chani being way more angry and contrarian than in the book (this one, I dont see the point, and I didnt like), contrary to the movie Paul's coma was lived in relative isolation and played out slightly differently (Jessica tried to revive him in an isolated room for days, and then asked for Chani's help; they were afraid he wouldn't wake up and the Fremen started to have doubts of if he was dead), no Thufir Awat, no Navigators, holy war starts a bit too fast.
the point of chani being more aware of Pauls path was to help make the original authors point more clear, paul is not a hero and he was never meant to be in the books, chani is the directors way of making that more clear in film
Thufir is in the movie but in a deleted scene.
No attempt of killing Jessica by Gurney
Why do you call the prophecies fake? Every word of them in "Dune" will come to pass. Every single one. And Paul is not a fake prophet, he is a literall prophet, he sees the future.
what I enjoy about the theme is the emphasis on honor, a kind of chivalry so that although its science fiction and set in an advanced civilization when characters physically battle its with blades so that both combatants are equal in firepower advantage and the battle relies on knowledge, finesse skill set and fighting spirit. In the world of martial arts this is called Ki or Chi in Phillipino blade martial arts this is heightening your awareness of your opponents, for lack of a better word, fighting energy. This concept is also taught in Wu Shu. The blade fighting sequences incorporate some Phillipino and some Indonesian Silat techniques, very well choreographed scenes. For me watching even in mass battle scenes the fighting is one on one very entertaining for a martial arts practitioner its very intriguing. Excellent movie Im going back to watch it in theatre XD.
Gen Z has ourselves a Lord of the Rings
Not even close. These movies are ok but nowhere near lord of the rings. Just stick with mcu, kid
Good but nothing touches lotr
Thought LOTR was for everyone.
The movie is a piece of art but it's doesn't even come close to LOTRs.
@@mania4270Bro dune 2 is very close as it story is amazing but not as good as the three lord of the rings
You messed this up very badly. Paul does become a monster, but in the book the reader never knows for sure that Paul is correct or not. He thinks the path he tries to follow is the only way forward to a better galaxy. Paul does not think it leads to happiness for himself, he is sacrificing himself. Paul thinks the massive war is justified, but he might be wrong. Is he wtong? It seems he is, he bought his own BS. (He basically Thanos). Herbert was disappointed that readers often thought Paul is a hero. The movie is making it clear. Btw, it's not capitalist. It is feudalist, mixed with socialist, it is nothing about money. It is about who gets one resource. The corporations mentioned are owned only by the aristocracy, there are no free markets. Everything is either a collective, or a monopoly setup by the crown.
I'd argue that it's capitalist, and it is about money.
Gurney's entrance in the second movie is about him collecting spice to sell at the black market. The tub scene from part 1 with the Baron and Glusso is literally about how Baron's need to reclaim Arrakis so he can remain in power and, in consequence, secure the wealth.
Yeah its capitalism fool. Nice try.
@@thaturi All Arrakis economy is XVIII (may be early XIX) century capitalsim, post-feudal, not the modern one.
@@thaturiwhat you had described now is imperialism not capitalism
You can look at this from 2 perspectives you clearly see it through a anti religious scope. However this is also a self fulfilling prophecy that bolsters the messianic trope and gives the Stilgar perspective no matter what he does he is the one
In the novel Paul wouldn’t even sleep with Irulan. I think what will ultimately drive Chani back is either Paul starting to terraform Arrakis or she’s pregnant with the first Leto II (not the one who became a worm, the one who got assassinated, as the time gap in this movie is smaller than the book)
The cinematography is stunning! 📸
Dune is not a “white Savior” The Fremen were white in the books Chani had red hair. This is completely stupid to promulgate. It’s just about charismatic leaders and governments not just white ones.
thank you for pointing this out. It is frustrating to see so many people say it. Obviously they haven't read the books before commenting on the movie.
The Bene Gesserit didn't plant a "FALSE" prophesy on Arrakis...they planted a self-fullfilling prophesy about the coming Kwisatz Haderach. They planted these prophesies with the intent of fullfilling them later, with their own created "superbeing". Once that creation was complete, all of those prophesies would be fullfilled, and those populations would naturally fall under thier control.
The prophesies were manufactured...but there was nothing "false" about them.
I saw the movie last night, and i left the theater thinking how by the end Paul was no better the emperor and the harkononens
Well he is a harkonnen so
@@richardrojas4774 fair, fair
he was better. he wasn’t evil he was just a person. The Baron was a pedo Paul is absolutely a better human. the point is that it doesn’t matter who is in power, power will corrupt everyone. It doesn’t mean paul is just as bad as the baron.
@@bloodaonadeline8346 fair assessment tbh
bro if you had ever read the books you would understand there was no choice for paul for humanity to not go extinct there was a golden path paul knew by the future visions that this had to be done though paul couldnt implement the golden path his son did
This is the best explanation I’ve seen of this movie on TH-cam. As a person of colour that loves the movie franchise I’m so happy they gave Chani agency her powerful speech “this is how they enslave us” is so important. It’s why this movie didn’t fall into the white saviour trope.
I am keen to see how they make Paul and chani will come back together in the 3rd movie adaption. ❤
Who cares about color. We’re all human keep seeing yourself as colored we will stay divided. We are all American and even further than that human, rise above the governments that rule us.
Why stilgar acts like he is disappointed when Paul said lead them to paradise ??
Unlike other YTers this is an explanation of Dune and how it relates to our society not exactly about explaining the movie itself for those who dont read the book. ...and Should have warn us about the spoilers coming last half of the video.
Where did Stilgar and the Fremen go by the end of the movie? Is Caladan is “paradise”?
They went to fight the “holy war” against the other Houses. By the end Paul has control of the galaxy.
@@ahhillaire868 ok I got it, it’s like let’s fulfill the prophecy and go to war in order to have the promised paradise
@@darthhaitham5449 They went to fight Jihad( Holy war) in ther messiah name. They are going to kill everyone who do not worship their messiah, and start force others to Sumit to Muad'Dib religion anyone opposes them die
I think around 61 billion ppl died 9 planets destroyed, many ppl died from sterilization.
Yeah we are the bad guys 😂😂
@@darthhaitham5449 You did not get it, as in kill them and bring them to Paradise/Heaven.
Ok I need to understand why chani was so angry over using her tear to save him?
Its not a white saviour trope
How do you define "white saviour trope" then
That's a racist comment hypocrites
It bothers me that the film left out the fact that Chani and Paul had a son together "Leto II the Elder" and their son was killed however the movie was really good
She was like I’m gonna take my narrow hairy forehead and one look scowl face and leave
Breathtaking movie
They took Chani in the wrong direction. She seemed like an outsider and by the end i felt like i was just watching Zendaya amd not Chani.
“White savior”
This movie had literally nothing to due about race.
Way to squeeze in nonsense. It was a political game of chess.
Secondly, colonialism?! No, imperialism. NOT colonialism. Also, the power struggle had literally nothing to due with capitalism. Governments were fighting over resources that enabled power. no businesses had any say in what was going on, therefore, not capitalism.
God, whoever wrote this doesn’t understand what they are talking about.
Waaaiit a minute. HOLD UP. You need to change the title. I didn’t come here for spoilers about the story beyond the second movie.
Dune ran so Stargate could sprint,so starwars could dash
Star Turds
I really doubt they do a time jump. My assumption is that the third movie ends where Messiah begins only because there are so many loose ends that need to be resolved.
I was also surprised that the commentary failed to note the cliché Hollywood ending - the heroine rides off into the sunset on her trusty worm.
Most sequel don’t ever do as good as the first but this movie surpassed it by a mile
"For my duke and my friends"
human form Thanos on killing Anemic Drax
Lmao gurney and rabban
This helps a lot. i understand now that it is on purpose that the audience does not sympathise with Paul at the end of dune 2 anymore. I was quite perplexed by his decisions at the end: why choose and start this holy war and abandon your lovelife? Because it is “fate”? Already known that you can change the fate/dreams. Is it just a grab for power? His Mother really seems like that in the end as well when she even abandones the Bene Gessserit lady. Just because of revenge? Seems awkward and not really what Paul wants, also he already got his revenge on the Baron and the Emperor. To save the Fremen from something worse than a genocidal war? We never really get shown much repression by these older royal houses so not something to really empathise with either. Was it because he really cared for the dream of the Fremen for making a green paradise of Dune? It doesn’t really seem like he cares so much about that either. We never heard any lines like “this land is ill, and I need to restore it to it’s former glory or anything’ he only uses the promise of the green paradise as reason to go into war. Which he quite feared in the middle of the movie. I was really like: why don’t you and Chani not just find a nice shelter or Oasis in the desert and live happily after all??
The screwed up the ending! One of the greatest love stories in the known universe and y'all f×cked it up. Channi was in on the plan and even told his mother that is it had to be that way. Paul actually worked to dispel his own mythos and Leto 2 taught humanity exactly how dangerous religion is.
I wish I knew why they didn’t keep the ending the same as the book. If Dune: Messiah is in the works they are going to have quite a lot of explaining to do on how Chani got back with Paul.
Pay attention to the ques, they won't be adapting Messiah directly it will be a loose inspiration instead. Chani literally ran off, she said she would no longer love him if he came back changed, she spent half her screentime fighting him ideologically and personally. Remember the first film, where in one vision Paul has he meets with Chani and he looks happy to see her and embraces her, then she gores him with a knife while they embrace? They are setting her up to be the ringleader of the assassination plot against Paul that took place in the book. Since there is not plan to continue the story after Messiah, there is no need for them to have children since the story ends in Part 3, hence no Children of Dune, God Emperor, etc.
There is not greed in communism? Interesting.
No because as soon as it's tried somewhere else and fails, the definition of communism will just change again.
The movie was rushed, and Batista's character was reduced to a punching bag.
There's lots of stories abbreviated for the movie, but Rabban's is low on the pecking order for me. Rabban isn't a central character, he's a lever used by the Baron in an attempt to manipulate the people of Arrakis. In the book, Baron Harkonnen continually pushes Rabban to be a tyrant, with the idea he will replace Rabban with Feyd Rautha. He hopes this will make Feyd loved by the populace. Rabban's death in the book happens "off-screen," it is simply reported to Paul that the populace beheaded Rabban during the Fremen attack on the Emperor's camp. If anything, Rabban having a showdown with Gurney Halleck is created to give them both a climatic moment in the film. Brief though it may be, it's more than Rabban was afforded in the book.
Obviously the commentator never read the books, or misunderstood them. There, Paul was a tragic, sympathetic figure ... he could see his own future - all outcomes were horrible - and he tried to choose the path that would result in the fewest deaths and the least suffering. He never wanted to become Emperor. These movies don't really capture that well.
I should feel excitement, but I feel bad. I feel like Paul used the Fremen, and this is just the start of something horrible
This explanation from Looper is ... well it's wrong. It's ill-informed and portrays Paul as no better than those who came before him. Paul is NOT using his powers to get revenge for his family. Any revenge is a by-product of a much bigger goal and in many ways irrelevant. Paul is a tragic figure, doomed with the knowledge that in order to achieve an ultimate Good he MUST do unspeakable Evil. He's not a madman with a belief, although from the outside (i.e. from every other person's perspective, because they do not have the book to guide them) he'll be a fanatic tyrant. He literally KNOWS what he must do, and that it is utterly unavoidable. Once he takes the Waters of Life, he gains full prescience. Before taking the water, he would see glimpses of possible futures, but wasn't always sure how accurate they were. After taking the water, he gained the ability to speak with all his ancestors, to use their council/advice. He also could see ALL possible futures and follow every possible thread to its conclusion. In knowing every possible future, Paul becomes a slave to a single thread, to ONE possible future. This is because in *every other* possible future humanity destroys itself and becomes extinct. (This idea was adapted and used in the Avengers plot.) This is also what the Bene Gesserit saw - the unavoidable extinction of humanity in every future they could possibly see - which led them to create their breeding program to eventually cause the Kwisatz Haderach to be born. The Bene Gesserit could only see the female side, and they hoped by creating a male who could withstand taking the Waters of Life, he would see a way to avoid extinction. And he did.
Wow 😮 greatly explained
Sounds like AOT plot tbh
What happens next is Paul does a little trolling
Do watch Dune 1 and Dune 2 back to back. Paul has been well trained to do what he do in Dune 2. He is as just as his father was.
Wait what? No one mentions Duncan Idaho the Golem. That would be a huge mistake if he is left out of all this and the next movies.
Ghola! not Golem doh!
The amount of arabic sentences / words used in the movie really twisted my brain. Because it's almost never used for the correct meaning. I did like the movie even though i was confused half the time.
It's not arabic. It has its roots in arabic, but it's set 10000 years in the future.
10000 years ago in the past, arabic didn't even exist in our world. It's a miracle that in the future, something resembling arabic in some form survived.
Herbert was imagining the language after 20,000 years.
@@valeriosalvo6567english survived
@@thetrickster9885 ACKCHUALLY uh, no, they speak Galach, virtually unrecognizable as English, more like a slavic dialect with english influence.
@@valeriosalvo6567 in the books they talk in english?
I just hope I’m alive to see the ending. 😂 GREAT MOVIE GREAT SPECIAL EFFECTS. LOVED IT!
I think Chani will be the secondary antagonist from Dune 3: she's heartbroken because of Paul and i think she'll want make her pay.
Honestly i understand her cuz if someone did the same thing to me i'll have the thirst of revenge too.
Haven’t read the books. Just finished the 2nd movie. Based on the 2nd movie if Chani has Paul’s child and the new queen has Feyd-Rautha’s child that could set up good contention for the throne. Curious how it plays out.
One or two of those constant beam lasers (that were used throughout the film) would have taken out all the emperors soldiers. Literally just sweep back and forth and chop them all in half. No atomics, no worms, no melee needed
“You couldn’t tell by his accent?” I have a southern accent and thought it was hilarious.
The seitch metaphor: I keep cheese in my refrigerator until it is old. Then I get new cheese, and it's vegan. At least it's supposed to be. You never know. When your nipples feel weird because of the feng shui, then you know.
even with the part 2 ending, Paul pretty much reminded Chani that she will be the only one woman she will ever love till he dies, so i doubt they will change that, but who knows.
Ending of Dune 2 means Dune 3 coming soon
So by Paul being the messiah and leading the freman to paradise through a holy war this movie is disproving the white savior complex? Seems to me that it embraces the white savior complex
The Reboot of Dune part 1 and 2 was for me and i think for a lot of other people, finally WE get a good,good,good,MOVIE.
But there is only one little thing what kept me a little bit unsatisfied about the ending of Dune part 2, and that is that the BIG action battle scenes and the revenge of Paul and Gurney and the rest was so short.
Here was a change to make a Real Game Changer and not have to be the same reboot with less scenes in it.
Don't get me wrong, the 2 Movies where Masterpieces for sure!!!
The Best 2 movies of the last 2 Decades ( 20 years ).
For me it felt like a missed opportunity, but maybe there is a longer version Dune part 2 as a surprise.( extended version i hope ).
I know less is sometimes better, but it felt to me a little rushed on the end, but still i would give the two movies a BIG 10 for acting, music, atmosphere, costumes, everything was good organized.
All in all the movies were FANTASTIC!!!!!!
That is were i want to end this, Positive.
I hope that Dennis is gonna make more of this kind of Movies, Maybe if he would REBOOT Star Wars 7,8,and 9,
THAT WOULD MAKE TOTALLY SENSE !!!!!!!!LOL.
NO JOKE 🤨, If he would have made Star Wars the last Trilogy this GOOD?
But that is for the future, within 10 Years Dennis !!!!!!, HINT 😉😁
So the fremen are able to pilot star ships? Haven't they been on Dune for ever with minimal vehicle's?
With regards the critique with capitalism, that is a straw man fallacy. Capitalism doesnt play a part on Dune, there is no free market. However, there is heavy evidence of merchantilism and colonialism and guilds, based on medieval economics principles where the empire give license to the West Indies to exploit the colonies. If there were presence of capitalism in Dune everybody can basically extract the spices wiuth free trade and competition and not the monopolistic exploits of one house at a time.
It's amazing how far the people at Looper will go to criticize what they think is "capitalism". They're completely econonomically illiterate.
Whatever you think is the true version of capitalism is a mere fantasy of the addled libertarian mind. No such thing exists in the real world nor at any point in history.
7:12 ok I think maybe chani expected Paul to tell her people that the prophecy is fake instead he leaned more into it to avenge his father death and take power. This is exactly what she feared would happen. But idk she said she still wanted to fight and she did so. Idky she would risk her life just to watch everything unfold out of her favor. I do like the idea of chani trying to wake others out of the matrix and be more of a rebel.
“The Great White Saviour” of course! 😂
It's a good film alongside Dune 1, if you can just forget the book ... it has internal consistency but it will have to end up in a very different place by the last reel of Dune 3 because so much damage has been done to the sub-plots as Herbert wrote them. It will be as impossible to maintain any integrity Dune Messiah because the changes made to the plot (or perhaps, more accurately, the plot changes plus the sub-plots removed) in these films, mean that the central conspiracy in Dune Messiah will make no sense.
From that perspective, for all of the dodginess of the DeLaurentis adaptation, I preferred that.
Overall incredible, but Villenueve’s major departures from the book were for the worse.
Paul neglecting to tell Chani in advance that the marriage proposal to Irulan would be a formality is way out of character. It simply serves as a mechanism to add drama to the story by creating a false “betrayal” of Chani.
The religion vs atheism dynamic in Fremen culture is non-existent in the book and makes for a lopsided and unnecessarily blunt criticism of faith. Villenueve paints religious people as narrow-minded simpletons who see the hand of the divine in everything. He makes Stilgar into a caricature of this, which is tragic because he is such an intelligent, pragmatic, and sophisticated character in the book.
Villenueve’s critique of faith also creates a huge elephant in the room in the obvious parallels between Paul and the Muslim prophet Mohamed (e.g. messiah and jihad) making the film a particularly scathing critique of Islam.
Herbert intended Dune to be a critique of hero worship and cult of personality more so than religion, and he does so with subtlety and good storytelling. In contrast, Villenueve’s changes come off as blunt and political. The film would have been better if he had stuck to the story and let Herbert speak through it rather than take the Disney approach.
Parallels with the Muslim prophet? How so? I don't see it.
Agreed, and Herbert's misunderstood quote "beware charismatic leaders" is as much about beware of what society does on its own when it spellbinds itself to one, he was worried about people's tendency to want to create heroes that added to the power of these people in a way they never could themselves. Herbert doesn't buy the old "just following orders" excuse, and puts responsibility on Paul but also on the Fremen themselves - even if he killed himself, the Fremen still would have gone on the Jihad and killed billions. The film seems to be boiling it down to just Paul and Jessica are in the wrong and the Fremen are innocent for being manipulated, which isn't truly the case.
Agree with much of what you wrote. Chani was a believer; Paul was not calculated in the book; he lived and became Fremen for almost 5 years, not a 16-year-old who, in 6 months, became their leader!
I think they can do Messiah but beyond that, it gets trippy. Like yeah, REALLY trippy.
Chani portrayal was a betrayal to the book character and was purely petulant
Though the director took liberties with his movie against Frank Herbert's book, the movie's ending was more believable than the previous film interpretations. The Great Houses would never accept Paul's ascension to the imperial throne just because he had won one battle against Shaddam IV and claimed Princess Irulan as a war bride. Paul threatens the status quo and they would never legitimize his rule over them. Paul using his family's atomics as a threat against the spice fields and to wipe out all spice production forever immobilizes the Great Houses . His fanatical Fremen warriors spread across the universe with immunity with the message of convert or die. Millions, if not billions, will die until all submit to Paul's rule or die from their melange addiction.
when he would address the charecter played by zendaya i would always thing he said Johhny
Same. I was sitting in the theater thinking "I wish there were subtitles" for a lot of parts where there were none because I couldn't understand what was being said
literally the BEST MOVIE EVER. Give timothee all the Oscars
Yes bro you really hit the nail on the head. I love the twist at the end.
Loved this movie and I’ve read the series so even though Paul attains the throne he cannot marry Chani..so sad.
This movie was pretty stale for a large section but the final 30m was brilliant
Agreed, I was falling asleep
I loved the old dune and part 1 why don’t I like this one 😢
Is theirs going to be a part 3 ? I wasn't satisfied with the ending.
it’s not “lisan al geeb”. it’s lisan al gaeb pronounced guy eeb
I don't like the analysis this clip gives of the movie. But Dune 2 is also amazing like Dune 1. Perhaps a few things seemed rushed but despite this it still made me clench my seat and gave me the chills a few times. So. Darn. Good.
With all the tech at hand why oh why does the armies fight with swords? bit weird..
Dude Zendaya got her heart ripped out and put in a blender and then drank by Paul at the end...😮
i don't understand why a 1974 HIT SINGLE by Sir Elton John is such a threat to the entire DUNE universe.
Love this movie
I always thought the story was gruesome, but this adaptation was very cinematic. I was surprised by the failure of this commmetary to note the deletion of the obvious biblical reference in the earlier movies & book, i.e. the reference to paul the Messiah's word being his invincible sword. The weirding module/voice? He would strike them with the rod of his mouth
Loved this movie just got back the ending wasn’t great but the story was great and loved the music acting and fight were amazing
It's too early for this type of video. Give the film a weekend at least.
or dont click on it if you have not seen it
I have got say this movie was not for me, it's a weird mix of space religion and politics
Why didn’t they rename the character Chaney to Karen? Wish the director had read the book.
Your time watching this movie is like water in Arrakis: not a drop will be wasted.
Ultimately in the end, Paul Atreides ends up becoming The God Emperor and a Sandworm himself, and eventually dies, crazy ending to his story.
Paul didn’t become the God Emperor. That was his son Leto II. Paul became the “Preacher” and eventually is assassinated.
Damn.....that's rough buddy
actually no, his son Leto II becoms the Sandworm and God Emperor and Paul is a blinded preacher on the dessert, who is assassinated at the end
Paul was not assassinated in the book; the tleilaxu gave him a "zombie" Duncan Idaho who is supposed to assassinate him but who overcame that "programming". In the end, Paul really became blind - with no more prescient powers to see - when his new son was born. Being blind, he followed the Fremen way and walked out into the dessert to die.
I see as Stargate, I press like
Where was Daniel and Ra?
I wish the review would leave out the aspects about colonialism and capitalism.
The theme of people needing a messiah, and of a messianic figure who abuses the power given to him, transcend any contemporary analogy or any particular set of values.
Just read the books and you understand better than any movie what is meant and how everything developed....its an interesting movie but not better than any before this one
Ain’t nobody reading all that
Lisan al Geeb
Just completed the movie and now I am disappointed that Paul cheated on Chani.
I feel sorry for her.