@@BilboBaggMan there was a point where YER was the best knife in MVM due to the disguise on kill mechanic, but it got nerfed. now there is a delay between kill and disguise so you cannot chainstab entire waves
Ok, that opening joke actually got a good chuckle outta me. Also report Jafar for hacking for not immediately undisguising on a failed backstab attempt
@@tonyawwwno3364 I am sure you can't make a your eternal reward joke using jafar without knowing that the weapon was inspired by that scene, ergo OP would very likely have known said bit of information.
This weapon was hilarious when it first came out. Originally before they added backstab death animation, a backstab would send the corpse flying forward due to the amount of damage it would do. So when this knife first came out you would see someone corpse just fly past you while fading out of existence. Which would prompt you to turn around and kill the obvious spy.
When you get backstabbed without the backstab death animation triggered your corpse will fly forward with great speed but only you get to see this. From others perspective, you won't fly nearly as far. So back in the day, everyone flew like how you do from your perspective?
even with the death animation added there's still a chance the corps will get sent flying forward when backstabbed. its even worse now with the cosmetics as it takes a sec or two for them to disappear. another unintentional nerf to it.
I find this knife amazing on the Uncletopia servers. Everyone flips around when they see a body, but I've gotten chainstabs and double kills a lot easier when using this knife cause I can easily blend into the crowd. I find this really odd considering the good communication the utopia servers have.
Oh yea people overrate communication nerfing spy. At the highest levels of HL spy is actually really strong. Saying spy killed me and having your team react usually takes longer than the interval between chain stabs. And knowing which disguise a spy is using only really hurts the YER after the spy has made a kill and is honestly not a huge deal.
The "no death sound, no killfeed" is easily the best part, let's you chainstab in a way where even the most experienced players couldn't realise 3 of their teammates just died, where even the dummy thick health you get from the kunai doesn't stop a heavy from 180'ing and painting the floor with your blood
Yes they can. The deaths DO show up on the scoreboard on the top of your HUD, and the dropped weapons don't dissapear. Unless your opponents are complete morons, the upside might as well be cosmetic.
@@Your_Funky_DM I think what he means is that in the player counter at the top of the screen it will still show someone re-spawning. So if you happen to look at it and see that a teammate has just died but there is no kill in the kill feed then you know it was a spy with the YEW.
@@darkraven8103 ya even though players arent gonna notice it until your gone and in general kill feed doesnt really give away spies so the silent backstab is amazing so victims arent screaming out
This is the BWA that hurts the most because the YER was one of my first drops that I to this day still use and love, but in my heart of hearts I know that all options are better.
@@soupcide bro fr. the yer + the deadringer is a really good combination that I use when playing spy, and it works insanely well. in order for this weapon to be good, you just have to be good at playing spy by itself.
I actually find it good, since you can keep being on the enemy team without undisguising although it does need some good acting skills and trickstabbing.
i think what the devs were going for was a playstyle which spy stays around the enemy base. to put it simply, the big earner gives you a choice on what to do after a backstab; run away, or go for a chain. the YER takes that away and forces you to stay near your enemies, along with the downsides of the knife itself.
Honestly this weapon suffers from a very specific stigma: their mechanics were made for a game that's vastly different than what it is today. It was made when there was literally no other alternative to the stock knife, with the silent decloak ability in mind. But as time went on, it got simultaneously nerfed and power crept, but the idea was unique enough that the dev's didn't want to entirely scrap it.
I love the current knife. To me its a weapon like the beggars or the loose cannon. Worse than stock with a super high skill cap but with the reward of being super fun once you get good at it.
@@peterisawesomeplease The BEGGARS is a weapon you have to "get good at"? Then I guess getting good won't be a long process, just repeatedly spam mouse1 in the general direction of the enemy spawn
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Look up some blind pyro videos from back in the day. Beggars rocket jumping is one of the most complex movement mechanics in the game. Its rocket jumping but with another layer of complexity on top.
This episode feels like it hinges on the entire idea that disguises don't fool good players. But when one actually knows how to use the disguise kit, like being aware of class behavior, replicating details of sight direction, weapon selection, and general location, this knife just become so much more effective and more skillful and satisfying than using cloak.
Well, you will never be in a place where you would be considered a spy, backstabbed a sniper?, now you are where he was, well, sniping your team, backstabbed a spy?, no one is suspicius of a spy going from the enemy side if they know there are spies in the team, etc...
Fish does say he's not an especially good Spy player, but even then, the YER is really weak because it trades your cloak for greater proficiency in disguising. A knife that did the same thing the other way around would also suck (though probably less so) because both are essential parts of Spy's kit. Disguises are incredibly useful for getting in close to a target, while the cloak is immensely helpful for getting into position or getting the fuck out of dodge. Neither really supersedes the other in terms of how powerful they can be, they're different tools for different jobs, and the tradeoff doesn't work because they're designed to complement each other rather than compete.
@@yakobsoulstorm5187 I think the cloak drain is really awful, but when you use it with letranger it is still slightly more than what you would get with ju8st a stock loadout, so for me it helps me get used to having less cloak and forcing me to be more effect with cloaking in general
In fairness, Fish killed another person and that Sniper saw it and went after him. If you sneak up on a scoped Sniper with the razorback and start shooting him, you’ll usually get the kill.
Fish, THANK YOU for suggesting that the YER should have the old set's silent decloak. It's the most obvious and fun way to fix it but no one seems to ever mention that. I still find it completely absurd that only some of the item sets had their bonuses translated into weapons from the set (like Pyro getting the speed boost from the set put into the Powerjack). I've been saying it for years that all the YER needs is for it to be reverted back to pre-JI (so no manual disguises or cloak penalty) and adding the Saharan Spy's upside, just those two things would keep it simple while still making it a completely viable and fun sidegrade.
Technically the spy was given the 40% increased cloak on the L'etranger as compensation for removing the set bonus, but I agree giving the knife the old silent decloak would be really fun.
@@borutoburrito6547 imo this. even if they refused to revert any of the other stats, the silent decloak would in itself almost make up for how nerfed the thing is.
Frankly I say keep the current penalties, add the silent cloak, and then give the silent killer upside to all Spy melees because the class seriously needs some actual stealth mechanics. Being unable to disguise at all makes the weapon even more vulnerable to communication and makes you completely unable to approach sentries and aware opponents until after a backstab (that you will likely die after getting unless your opponents are really stupid).
I love the YER. It's easily my second most used knife these days because it actually DOES have believable disguises. Just think about it. You turn around, see a friendly teammate, walk a little, turn around, see the exact same friendly teammate with nothing in the killfeed, and nothing seems off. Pair that with my burning eternal hatred for Engineer and it makes it incredibly appealing for me. I've tried the kunai, and honestly, I've done well with it, but I never feel like the 200 health occasionally is benefitting me any more than a consistent 125.
The thing is, the ragdolls and the knife hitting you still make quiet but very distinct sounds. If you are playing against a experienced player, the disguise doesn't do much. Well, at least in pubs where 50% of the players have tunnel vision and are completely deaf is still a viable choice.
@@BComet The funny thing is, the victims of YER do not scream, but since the knife still does stabbing sound, you can easily hear it. And since nobody is screaming, the sound becomes pretty loud lol
I also love the pacing with this knife. I've switched between a lot of spy loadouts throughout my time in TF2 and I've found the "good pick-> cloak-> run and disguise" thing can get pretty monotonous. The YER makes me feel like I actually have to employ stealth and deception instead of right-clicking after a kill.
@@haydenhaslip2024 This is just isn't true In HL at the top level spy is a top 4 fragging class on average with some utility outside of killing things and generally killing higher value targets. This is a newish development in the high level meta as spies have improved and the need to counter sniper has increased. But hate seeing this posted over and over. And disguises/acting do work even at the highest levels. No its not pretending to be some class that works. But spy checking is costly in the middle of fight. This means you can force a player to lose to your teammate by spy checking or die to you if you are believable in the quarter second they have to look at you.
if you want to keep the whole "disguise over cloak" thing then get rid of the cloak drain and the cost of disguises, and make it so while disguised your cloak turns into a sort of health bar. make it take hits for you, make it let you move through enemies. you can still cloak while disguised it just might leave you vulnerable later.
That's, actually a good idea for a watch. Instead of cloak, you become identical to opponents. No hitbox collision against enemy bodies, effects of jarate, milk, and fire don't show to enemies, fire deals less damage (say 60%) and isn't visible. This mode/deepcover is on a timer similar to cloak, and all at the cost of having to undeepcover/stop "enemy cloaking" to backstab/shoot. It would actually allow you to blend in instead of getting found out because a scout ran into you, a paranoid engie shooting any teammates, or a pyro misclicked.
Sounds a bit OP. At this point just add a disguise kit that completely turns you into the class with the same weapons and you just use its weapons for the rest of the game.
@@attibotgd4123 well maybe the disguise could still be identifiable under certain effects, like scout's mad milk, sniper's jarate, pyro's after burn and etc.... It doesn't outright make you a perfect disguise but it does make it harder to find out. Counterplay's there but it's just more niche, requiring the enemy to put a conscious effort into countering the spy instead of being relatively passive
As a spy main, i personally like using the eternal reward. It feels great when you get a chainstab, and the l'ensomethingorother is actually useful for defending yourself. On top of that, there are actually some situations where the dead ringer is actually quit good, like on the final point on dustbowl attack.
I never thought about this weapon being bad, my team use to get destroyed with this back in the day, and I still see people using it. But after seeing this I wonder how it ever gave me issues.
"Back in the day" probably before it drained your cloak like lightning, then. The lack of disguise without a stab hurt back then too (and you couldn't even trade cloak for a disguise), but at least the set bonus's silent decloak could sometimes mitigate that
Once I saw a comment about Your Eternal Reward, before it was difficult to get the first costume and then it was easier, in my opinion although I didn't start playing tf2 before they nerfed it, I guess it was better than now, imagine the Stock but without being able to disguise, the one now changed for the worse, technically you still cannot disguise yourself since you need Cloak to do it (I know you can do it in the spawn, but we all know that this disguise will not last long) with the Stock watch you cant disguise when you're invisible and the drain greatly affects the amount of time you can be invisible (sooner or later you'll become visible in an inconvenient situation and you can't even disguise) it weakens you a lot, with Dead Ringer it's also a problem since reduces your cloak (it do the DR almost useless) and unlike Stock or CaD you can't reload your cloak with ammo packs, that weaken you a lot and with CAD (the only watch you can use it with) will not allow you to escape either due to the cloak drain, with all the watchs it does not leave you much chance to enter the enemy side, it is usable but terrible and its reward is not worth its disadvantages
Funny hard to pronounce extra cloak gun and stock watch pair super well with it if u know ammo locations, get behind the enemy then go ham. Go into hiding if u get noticed, then just continue.
I’ve always thought about buffing it by muting someone’s voice and text chat for a few seconds, maybe even until respawn, once they’ve been stabbed by the YER. It helps eliminate the big issue of “if someone says they got stabbed by a YER spy you’re fucked”. However, I feel like this could very easily be an incredibly busted stat, so I don’t know if adding it would be a good idea. I just want to see this weapon be more than the “holy shit there’s too many engineers for me to sap all the sentries before dying” knife.
This suggestion should apply to every single spy knife as its incredibly easy for someone shout your position or something when they die, which makes the effort of Spy's part meaningless, so voicechat abuse on backstabs was worse.
If they updated the weapon with "decloak makes less noise" I think it would be more viable, it would make you more aggressive and allow for more risky decloaking but keeping that 33%+ decloak rate would make it more balanced.
I agree that maybe the "does not show up in kill feed" should probably be a UNIVERAL thing. It FITS with spies thing. Your ideas for fixes seems perfectly reasonable to me. Silent killer, Silent Decloak, say 25% clock duration, 50% clock drain for a disguise sounds good.
To be fair if all knives had the silent killer atribute, Spy would be grossly overpowered. Like, imagine a Spy using the stock knife, having the silent killer with no downsides. The Spy can make a massive chainstab with no downsides at all
@@Gon-hx4df Not showing in killfeed for all knives wouldn't be that much of a difference. They didn't talk about silent killer in general. If you just have it so no backstabs show up on the killfeed you would still have the crit sound and everything. Not grossly overpowered, merely a slight upgrade.
You weren't kidding when you called this knife "Spy: Hard Mode" in your Future of BWA video. I did not realize this thing was this punishing, and now I will continue to refuse using it as I always did. On a side note, the L'Etranger pronunciations slowly get more and more fucked with each video.
@@ludwigiapilosa508 i use it as the training knife When i'm good with letranger/dr/yer, i can often switch to the kunai and get a few godlikes in a row
12:48 That is a very common misconception. Spy's power comes from the fact that he can kill and run away all in the blink of an eye, but a razorback entirely invalidates that. Imagine you're next to a sniper and a sentry, usually you'd be able to stab the sniper and then sap the sentry or vice versa no problem (since neither of them have ears and sentries are relatively slow) but a sniper with a razorback makes that completely impossible. I've had shitloads of backstabs and chainstabs get ruined for me because a razorback sniper unintentionally slid between me and his teammates' backs. I've even had times where I did shoot and sometimes even kill the sniper only for some soldier or pyro or other guy take notice or come around a corner and instantly destroy me. Also, denying trickstabs (something that takes a lot of skill and game sense and is already janky enough) is just bad game design because it says "Oh you spent a lot of time learning this very specific stab? Well fuck you buddy because he clicked on something in a menu". Couple on the fact that good/lucky snipers can just instantly turn around and kill you as soon as you start shooting, not to mention revolver aim being absolute shit after the first shot, and realize that it's just not that simple. It's like telling a pyro to "just use melee" against a darwins danger shield sniper. The only people who say stuff like this are people who clearly do not play spy much which is apparently everybody since 9/10 people say it and I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't at least a little bit annoying.
I feel like the razorback isn't just a limiter to spies, i feel like it can be a good conditioner for them. Since Spy does have another good option for insta kills up close in the form of the Ambassador. Spies will swap to this after being caught by the Razorback and attempt to headshot the sniper point blank. Use this to your advantage, make the spy do that so you can destroy him with either the kukri or an SMG
I’ve watched his videos, he’s a sniper main so he’s bias towards snipers. Snipers always hang around nests or people. Taking the time for two or 3 shots slows you down and leaves you open for other opponents or sentries. Not to mention every pro sniper I face some how headshots me before I even get a 3rd shot in. So really the only time you’re able to kill a razor back sniper as a spy is when they are alone. Even in this video alone he failed at killing the snipers not because the YER sucks but because of the reasons above, it’s literally countering spy lol. If razorback failed at its job, countering spy, then nobody would be using it lol.
As a hardcore Your Eternal Reward user I just wanna say this. Using the Cloak and Dagger watch in tandem with Your Eternal Reward makes the experience SO MUCH BETTER. It almost feels like they were designed to be used together
100% agreed. As a person who has used this combo quite a lot it almost allows you to negate the downsides of the YER. I was wondering when someone else was going to bring up this combo.
I only have 10 hours on spy but over 9 of those hours was me using YER From my experience , using cloak and dagger with YER is pain since it doesn't let you regain cloak meter from ammo boxes. My loadout is L'Etranger, YER, Stock Invis Watch. YER feels like a knife thst caters to a specific playstyle of Stealth. - Kunai caters to a chainstab/kills while tanking attacks. - Big Earner caters to 2 playstyle: running away after stab, or a chainstab while dodging attacks. -YER caters to a playstyle of just pure stealth. Little-to-no noises. Instant disguise that even if people see the person that you backstabbed, as long as YOU don't get seen 100% on their viewpoint, you would be disguise and they see as though nothing just happened.
Imo, ammo boxes are important but if you're in a map with ammo boxes that are a little too out of reach and you're in a fight, then I'd be fine with cloak and dagger, however I'd just go kunai at that point tbh.
@@BartholomewTheIII yeah the ammo box issue sucks, but I just uncloak for a split second to pick it up if nobody will see me. It can be a hassle, but you get used to it
0:00 Intro 0:24 Skill Disclaimer 1:00 Why the YER used to be popular 1:38 Stats 2:14 Cloak Comparison 3:04 Disguises normally are Disposable 4:22 Strengths of Spy 5:10 Disguising after Spawn 6:19 Overly Punishing 7:02 Slow Classes suck with this 7:35 The C&D 8:32 Dead Ringer 9:28 Stock Watch 10:00 Stab and Sap 11:20 Target priority 12:28 Sniper and the Razorback Situation 14:08 Summary 14:20 Solution 15:46 and let me festivize it 16:28 Outro
Death Note really does go from a masterpiece to eh it's alright after L dies. And yeah, it does feel like they introduced smarter and smarterer for the express purpose of fucking over Light with something he couldn't have planned for. Also great video.
I think L was smarter than Light, but having a tool as powerful as the Death Note can more than make up for it But yeah after L it seems they just wanted to put an end to Light to avoid having such a sour ending where the bad guy wins
Personally I’m not a big fan of death note, though I do recognize that it’s a good show. Light just sort of suddenly becomes a massive prick with a god complex almost immediately after getting the death note, and remains a one dimensional character to the end without any real growth or introspection. Plus I think the show kind of chickened out when it didn’t really explore the true implications of what the existence of a death note would mean for the world and the geopolitical environment. They sort of hint at it, but avoid going into any great detail.
I think the YER is a great tool for forcing you to actually learn to act as the enemies you disguise as, like if you get stuck as a heavy, you can wait at chokes, you jump corners with your minigun out, anything to make your disguise more convincing.
I think the only time I've used this is when the other team stacked engie so I took them out one by one, and they didn't notice throughout the whole thing. pretty fun weapon.
I think that a fairly simple change that could be interesting is to make it still require 100% cloak to disguise, but not have it consume the cloak. So you would be able to disguise freely, as long as you have full cloak meter
The YER is the best knife in the game and you cant change my mind. It is a silent killer, normally if you stab someone with any other knife it plays this LOUD backstab sound that every tf2 player has imprinted in the back of their mind so that if someone is stabbed they immediately twist they're head to look for a spy. The your eternal rewards "silent killer" perk allows you to get chain stabs much more efficiently and regularly than any other knife in the game because it does not have this huge alarm go off whenever you stab someone. I AM aware it still makes a faint noise which shouldn't be a feature but in the situation you would WANT to get a chain stab is usually when people are shooting and pushing the cart or about to uber (where there are other loud noises occurring). And besides, even if they DO hear the noise, when they look behind them they will just see their teammate in the exact place they were before because of the other perk of the YER, the instant disguise on backstab. I know many people say disguises dont work, but I have countless clips of me fooling an entire team of experienced players with my disguise. It also helps manage paranoia. With any other knife if you stab someone people nearby will likely be just as paranoid as the person you stabbed, making it hard to tell how paranoid certain players are, however with the YER you can easily keep track on who will likely spy check more often as you get to handpick who you want knowing about you, and who you dont. (However this mainly only comes into play with less coordinated teams). Also I never use the Le'tranger with the YER because many say 1/3 of your cloak is a lot, but i only ever see myself using 2/3 of my cloak meter when sneaking behind the enemies. (Also ammo boxes exist) And finally, the full cloak drain on disguise. You can just disguise in spawn and then go to the frontlines with that disguise, and when you get a backstab you change into another one. Besides I find the full cloak drain on disguise to be more of a minor inconvenience than a game-changing debuff (Also ammo boxes exist). The YER also helps to constantly change disguises and make you less predictable. Most spy mains just throw on scout every time when spawning and expect people to believe his disguise. The YER makes you constantly change your disguise with each kill, making it less obvious on which class spy is disguising as because it is varied. I am aware that using the YER limits gun usage, making you more vulnerable. But I say that fits spy better. Spy is the sneaky stealthy class who instakills teams from behind without most players even noticing. The revolver SHOULD be a last ditch effort for spy used in situations where there is no other way to get away or kill the player, not some item you pull out every time someone sees you. Besides its not like if you use your gun you cant disguise anymore, waiting for your cloak meter isnt that bad of a task and usually just requires you to be extra cautious. Besides youd usually find yourself getting a backstab before your cloak refills anyways. You using this argument contradicts your older argument of "disguises dont work" aswell. (also ammo boxes exist).
This used to be my absolute favorite knife. I loved being forced to rely on my cloak, and as a player who rarely used his disguise kit, it fit my playstyle. But then they slapped on that cloak nerf for seemingly no reason. Killed the knife for me.
@@haydenhaslip2024 my guy, the l'etranger is an excellent revolver cus it gives you *more* cloak to work with, using it with the YER is literally just having normal cloak but with a worse revolver
@@azurabbit12 And the ability to very easily have the entire enemy team just not notice when you backstab someone? And be able to keep them fooled for a pretty long time before you find your next victim? You're just talking as if the YER was a knife with no pros and it's only con is +33% cloak drain.
@@manologamerss5801 what are you even talking about? That's completely off topic, I'm talking about cloak duration here, not about the YER's perks, yes ofc using the YER gives you the upsides of using the fucking YER, I absolutely never implied otherwise But if we're talking cloak duration wise, using the l'etranger with the YER is just like having normal cloak with any other knife but with a worse revolver
If you do use this, surprisingly the watch I find the most useful is the Cloak and Dagger, simply because you can sit and wait for a full cloak meter, disguise, and stay cloaked until you need to. It's better for hiding than for escapes, obviously, but it can work.
If they give the knife silent cloak or at least quieter cloak hiding will then actually be useful cause then you will already be in position to backstab the person you just fooled by standing in a single spot
I find the sacrifice of cloak for a disguise is much less of a problem if you just make use of ammo packs, then it's almost a nonissue. And slain enemies drop medium ammo packs, so there you go; got a slow disguise from a slow victim? Use their ammo box to change it. The fast cloak drain has to go, though. I mean I like the L'Etranger, but come on.
One argument to make here: The YER is great for training wall cover. Invisibility and Disguise are great, but the most important way to hide from your enemies is to be behind a wall. Also team wiping.
Alternate idea for this weapon: Disable manual disguising like it used to be, but you mimic more of your disguise's traits. If you can get a Scout backstab, you get Scout speed. You could get a very small DR for a Heavy disguise (like, just barely out of Direct Hit OHKO range).
I would also fix this weapon to work on MVM,since this weapon straight up doesnt function as intended in MvM (disguising by killing someone doesnt happen instantly and requires the same amount of time you would’ve spend if you disguised normally also the fact that robots can see through disguises)
This used to be my main knife until valve nerfed the cloak rate, it was already clunky and unorthodox to use but having to compensate a straight nerf with virtually almost no upsides is what made me move out of spy and just main engineer
The YER is my favourite knife, I like the high stakes gameplay and disguises being more random, I think what would help the YER(and spy in general) is adding the spywalk feature from TF2C
It’s because he’s using stock cloak the cloak and dagger+le tranger pretty much negate the downsides and you can pop in and out of cloak for a sec to pick up ammo like stock but you also have the +100% recharge rate
My two cents: I think the YER should get its old "can't disguise" stat back, but be buffed in accordance to this to essentially become a whole different playstyle. Whether that's through silent decloaking and/or something more out there, like somehow notably buffing disguises. It would be really cool if it was a knife that gave you access to disguises with some sort of added functionality while making said disguises harder to access. Like not losing the disguise on a failed backstab attempt, being able to act out animations like shooting, or maybe getting stat changes or bonuses depending on the disguise. Or you could go all in on making it "the cloak knife," limiting your disguise capabilities but making your cloak stronger or more versatile. I dunno, I like weapons with really significant and interesting changes, and I like the idea of buffing spy's stealth and deception aspects. Also L'Etranger names lol
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 It would be cool if It gave you a small boost based on class backstabbed, like health with medic and heavy and Speed with scout, etc.. i would also give the ability to disable voice chat for 3 seconds for the backstabbed player. Final small touch? For 1 second you can't backstab, but also you don't bump into enemies
Ill never see this as a bad weapon because of that one spy who’s name I always forget that was insane and cocky, he made great post commentary videos back in the day during the love and war era Edit: I think his name was Arlix?
@@koth_harvest_final no I think his name was arlix? He used the yer, dead ringer and the ambassador and sometimes diamondback, yes he was a douche but he was very self aware of it
The thing is, how are you going to buff a disguise kit? If you do the spy moves at scout speed thing then spies would just be disguised 24/7 just for the speed boost. All the bugs are just bugs, and fixing them wouldn’t buff the disguise kit.
@@uwuLegacy "fixing the bugs wouldn't buff the disguise kit" is flatly wrong imo. you can't disguise as 3 classes already, since soldier and heavy are so slow and unless he's using the blaster you'll never pass for a scout, but at least those are intentional. The bugs on top of that just make it even harder, since demoknight and stickytanks lose their feet and/or hold weapons that aren't for demo, and pyro, soldier, and heavy will A pose if there's no viable target and you're holding out the sapper. Those are just the ones I know of mostly, but the list is even longer. however maybe there could be a way for spy to mimic the abilities of his disguise, for example perhaps a small health regen if disguised as medic, a small speed boost for scout, and a mild fire resistance for pyro? but maybe that's for another disguise kit idea overall. it's really hard to balance spy since spy mains basically exploit the limits of the game engine to begin with, so giving them an inch will result in giving them a mile.
@@penrose427 the thing with giving disguises buffs is that spies will just use those disguises, and congratulations - you not only buffed disguises but also buffed spy's movement speed/regen/whatever. personally i like the idea of disguised spies getting some damage res like his cloak already does. maybe not 20%, maybe something like 10%
@@uwuLegacy First, by introducing either a disguised-class-based damage reduction or a flat 20, 25 or even 50% damage resist while disguised. I'd go for the former since it would make slow-class disguises actually viable. I'm not sure what part should receive this buff - YER specifically, or Spy as a whole. Either way, it's just a warranted buff nowadays, just like when his backstab animation was buffed from 1.1s to 0.8 - the game changed to the point that his disguise kit may as well not exist, people will shoot you either way. Second, making a "fake animation" mechanic - you pull out your disguise kit, hit "special attack" key (or whatever Vaccinator/MVM Med Shield uses) and Spy plays a certain animation for his enemies. May be single-shot primary fire, secondary fire (would work great for Sniper disguise), or just a melee swing. Considering Spy can choose what weapon his disguised class holds, it can be any animation the game has to offer.
This is definitely not spies worst knife. Playing on attack on cp with the eternal reward and picking off people in the back then running around switching disguises finding ammo is extremely effective and got me my first seriously good match with spy. I got like 20-30 backstabs and I blame it on the eternal reward cause otherwise I would've just been killed instantly if I tried to keep that same agressive energy without a disguise.
A potential buff idea I've had for the YER for a loge while now was to give the disguised spy a damage resistance depending on what the disguise was as a way to make the cloak drain downside more tolerable. Probably terrible but I'd like to see what others think.
the spy should NOt ever have damage reduction while visible. this would lopside about half the matchups he is normally bad at on his favor at no cost(particulary the sniper matchup). especially once the DR also gets involved.
While it's not a great weapon, the YER to me is what makes TF2 unique - the big earner, kunai, stock, all of them you use the same. Call of Duty, you run 90% of guns the same way, run and shoot. The YER is a change to the play style, while still sticking to the core idea of being an assassin. YER and The Loose Cannon are probably my favorite weapons for this reason, being very different but still sticking to their class role and not reinventing the class
Me: *facestabs a medic* My inner anime monologue: tsk, if I let him get his Uber… then my team… my friends… there’ll be nothing left! I CANT LET THEM BUILD UBER EVEN FOR A SECOND MORE! I’ll have to put everything I have into this stab! Breaking the game! Letting me backstab FROM THE FRONT! URAAAAAAH! *cheap ass face-stab*
I always wanted YER to give you an "upgraded disguise" since it relies on it so much, like allow you to do fake attacks or maybe let you tank a hit or 2 (cloak consuming shield?)
I was thinking that perhaps it could remove the visual effects that occur when debugged while disguised, so the flamethrowers and Jarate don't instantly out you anymore.
16:00 no, you just can't get the chainstabs of the yer against people that are competent using the kunai. people just turn around after the stab unless they are super new but if you are a bit selective on when you stab with the yer you can consistently chainstab experienced players. there is a reason why kunai pub stomping spies abandon games after a couple of deaths : if the enemy has ears the kunai turns from a chainstabbing machine to a single pick with a guaranteed(usually) escape. the yer on the other hand is really REALLY consistent, you just need experience on managing your cloak, acting and selecting when to make a play.
I kind of disagree with this whole video. Thw communication aspect, being a problem for the YER, isn't really a problem unless in competitive, and even then, people call out spy, so if someone in your team calls out spy, and he's dead, but you see him alive, you'll be looking around for the spy while he is actually the person that just died. In many aspects, the worst thing about spy is getting detected, as you have no chance again'st anyone who plays decently in a 1v1 from the front. But if they can't tell where you're at, who you are, nor hear your backstabs, then the whole game gets easier for you. No one would expect a spy disguising as a heavy/soldier/engineer or spy even, these classes are so often not used with the disguise kit, so when you stab these classes, and get insta-disguised as them, it is allot more believable that you're that class, and not amogus sus. So yeah, no cap on a stack you fell off + ratio + my mom owns the house now + my dad left for the milk + you're homeless + + .. you get the ideal..
The amount of razorback snipers I have double backstabbed without them noticing is stupid, allowing me to essentially ignore the weakness the knife has
Disguises are shit, spy needs a little more control over how disguises look, imagine fake shooting with a disguise, you see your teams heavy walking revved up and even shooting, are you gonna spycheck him? Or your teams sniper scoped in at the very back, would you spycheck? Heck, a demoknight running and just swinging his sword around shouting "BLOODY SPY!!!" do you even spycheck this guy? Disguises do so little work that you could straight up play without them with YER, try it, don't even disguise at spawn just make your way to them with plain cloak and you will see that they either don't check their back or you are dead anyway, the disguise literally wouldn't change this fact
sometimes it doesnt show ur damaged tho as diguised. idk when or how, but sometimes hurting diguised u see no blood. but it best to assume to keep shooting. but there is other effects that do apply to them.
Couldn't agree more, why didn't they add fake shooting to Spy's disguises? That would make disguises a lot more effective! Cuz literally nobody is fooled by disguises anymore, not even newbies
Every time i get backstabbed by an ER spy i can see that the spy has disguised as me, so i just type in chat who the spy is making it useless since now that everyone knows who the spy is you need to change the disguise.
As someone with over 8,000 hours and highest play time on Spy, I really have to hard disagree with classifying this weapon as “bad”. While it’s usage is less generalized than stock, it very much has its niche and you’ll find it particularly useful in pubs with a noticeable amount of team play. Pub Spy has a very big problem, if opponents have ears you can stab one maybe two people before being forced to flee or attempt trick stabs if you want to be aggressive. If one of these competent players is Pyro you will die 100% of the time regardless of Kunai or Deadringer, there is simply no way around getting cornered by fire and airblast. The YER mitigates this issue immensely with its silent kill since in game callouts typically aren’t fast enough to alert opponents to your stab chain and no death scream plays for a competent player to be alerted to. This niche sounds simple, but it’s far more relevant in pubs than it seems. The overall spy paranoia of a pub is drastically and noticeably lower when opponents aren’t communicating your existence and can’t examine the effect you have via kill chat or death screams. The downsides are also far FAR more manageable than most seem to realize. With L’etranger, the reduced cloak time is completely irrelevant and losing cloak for redisguise is extremely negligible since you often lose your disguise when retreating after a stab which means you can go back to friendly controlled territory to just pick up an uncontested ammo crate. I very rarely ever die or lose momentum to losing cloak on re-disguise. I would say the *actual* downsides of the YER are just disguising as slow classes and being forced to run the L’etranger. I also think the notion that disguises don’t fool people is completely and utterly wrong. If you’ve never tried it, walk backwards into the enemy team in a pub and it works like 80% of the time. Disguises fool people the most when you act out playing the other team. Pathing for backstabs, looking at opponents, etc are all things people do that get them caught then immediately profess how bad disguises are. There’s also an extremely niche upside to the YER that literally everyone skips over that is way more important than they realize. Backstabbing a medic target forces the medic to attach his beam to you. This immediately gives you overheal you can use to escape or if the Medic was looking away you can attempt to fool them for a second which plays into the tempo of the enemy medic basically aiding your team instead of theirs which is far more powerful than one might realize. The final upside is that re-disguising let’s you ignore sentries while backstabbing which, once again, in pubs is a far more relevant upside than it seems. Overall, you’ll never see the YER in competitive and you’ll also never see it used well in the hands of a noob, but for semi-competent spies rocking pubs it has a couple pretty valuable upsides for picking out opponents amongst the pockets of space between better players. Honestly, when it comes to pubs I would rank the Big Earner lower than the YER since -25 health is a pretty ginormous downside for an upside that the Deadringer can already provide and better.
Big earner doesn't slow you to an absolute crawl when you inevitably stab a heavy. In fact, it allows you to trickstab players easier since the speed boost messes with their muscle memory. (Also the massive chainstabs you can go on with it) While the big earner's -25 health penalty can be mitigated by simply right-clicking with any invis watch (since the damage resistances puts you back into the two-shotting threshold of stock), the yer essentially forces you to equip the weakest revolver combat-wise, and the disguise penalty denies you from ever the dead ringer effectively. To rank the big earner lower than the yer is absurd.
Vague Castle649 it’s easy to stab trash with the Big Earner but then again it’s easy to stab trash in general. If you want chain stabs then you run the Kunai, it does everything Big Earner wants to do but better. The YER offers a solution for players who are never going to let you chain stab them. Stealth is about the only option your going to have against a Pyro who knows what the M2 button does.
@@hideyochest8964 The big earner's speed boost is not to be underestimated, as it allows you to close the gap on distant enemies (i.e chainstabs) and outstrafe, dodge and stab a player who knows how to play around trickstabs. It also allows you to reach scouts and medics with the speed. While the kunai is better for clumped together chainstabs, the big earner is better for distant chainstabs. Stealth is never going to matter against a decent pyro, and the yer's soft forcing of the l'etranger, means you'll die to pyros more often than if you had stock (Although it is good for chainstabbing in a sentry nest, I'll give you that).
I am a spy main and YER is only for people who actually know how to play spy, and not for beginners like you. YER is one of the best knifes I've ever used because good spy mains know how to stay quiet and be fast.
Honestly, I really didn't mind the original "No manual disguise", and preferred it to the "pay a full cloak bar and faster cloak drain" thing. It was a fun minigame to use cloak until you got your first disguise. Maybe a compromise could be that once you're disguised, you can change what the disguise is without penalty.
One trick I use I learned from funk. Bring dead ringer and disguise as friendly pyro, run in like dumb ass noob Pyro and pop dead ringer. Use the speed and the invis to sneak round back and pick up a sniper or someone coming out of spawn to get a disguise then proceed as normal.
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For me this is the “The enemy team is stacking engis and I want to backstab in front of their sentries” knife.
@Nicholas Darryl Halim in mvm there is a delay before you disguise after a kill so I don't know wtf you are talking about
@Nicholas Darryl Halim it works in mvm?
As someone who plays on Engineer Fortress Community Servers, I really want this knife.
@@BilboBaggMan there was a point where YER was the best knife in MVM due to the disguise on kill mechanic, but it got nerfed. now there is a delay between kill and disguise so you cannot chainstab entire waves
It's great for when you don't want die immediately after backstabbing an engie and aren't fast enough to sap.
Ok, that opening joke actually got a good chuckle outta me. Also report Jafar for hacking for not immediately undisguising on a failed backstab attempt
Even funnier is that the YER is literally based on that Jafar scene
@@TF2Legacy
Ok
It seems to me that you missed the fact that everyone knew this already.
@@redstonewarrior0152 he said that because the op said it as though that wasnt the case. Chill, bro.
(Edit: typo)
@@TF2Legacy ttty
@@tonyawwwno3364
I am sure you can't make a your eternal reward joke using jafar without knowing that the weapon was inspired by that scene, ergo OP would very likely have known said bit of information.
This weapon was hilarious when it first came out. Originally before they added backstab death animation, a backstab would send the corpse flying forward due to the amount of damage it would do. So when this knife first came out you would see someone corpse just fly past you while fading out of existence. Which would prompt you to turn around and kill the obvious spy.
When you get backstabbed without the backstab death animation triggered your corpse will fly forward with great speed but only you get to see this. From others perspective, you won't fly nearly as far. So back in the day, everyone flew like how you do from your perspective?
Sadly corpse rag dolls are pretty much client side.
Reminds me of the original Tomislav that was supposed to be silent but it made a super loud “CLICK” noise when reved.
even with the death animation added there's still a chance the corps will get sent flying forward when backstabbed. its even worse now with the cosmetics as it takes a sec or two for them to disappear. another unintentional nerf to it.
Is there any footage of this😊
I find this knife amazing on the Uncletopia servers. Everyone flips around when they see a body, but I've gotten chainstabs and double kills a lot easier when using this knife cause I can easily blend into the crowd.
I find this really odd considering the good communication the utopia servers have.
Oh yea people overrate communication nerfing spy. At the highest levels of HL spy is actually really strong. Saying spy killed me and having your team react usually takes longer than the interval between chain stabs. And knowing which disguise a spy is using only really hurts the YER after the spy has made a kill and is honestly not a huge deal.
when I get eurotunnelled I kinda start rooting for the spy
Guarantee you I was one of your victims at one point
As of May Uncletopia is sending bots to Valve server just to advertise themselves, which would be fine if they werne't also aimbots
@@alex_zetsu those are almost definitely not endorsed by uncle Dane
13:12 “And because you’re essentially forced to run the *L’HOTOTO*!…”
The best weapon in tf2
@@Schnitzl_Gampa yeah
The "no death sound, no killfeed" is easily the best part, let's you chainstab in a way where even the most experienced players couldn't realise 3 of their teammates just died, where even the dummy thick health you get from the kunai doesn't stop a heavy from 180'ing and painting the floor with your blood
Yes they can. The deaths DO show up on the scoreboard on the top of your HUD, and the dropped weapons don't dissapear.
Unless your opponents are complete morons, the upside might as well be cosmetic.
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 It lets you see your kills but the enemy cannot
@@Your_Funky_DM I think what he means is that in the player counter at the top of the screen it will still show someone re-spawning. So if you happen to look at it and see that a teammate has just died but there is no kill in the kill feed then you know it was a spy with the YEW.
@@darkraven8103 ya even though players arent gonna notice it until your gone and in general kill feed doesnt really give away spies so the silent backstab is amazing so victims arent screaming out
@@darkraven8103 that is fair
4:22 can we just take a moment to appreciate this clip. Drawing the medic into the sentry gun was absolutely hilarious
ikr?
Lol
Yes
this was a common once a match thing if u played a long time ago
Should have undisguised and then laughed with that taunt i can't write
This is the BWA that hurts the most because the YER was one of my first drops that I to this day still use and love, but in my heart of hearts I know that all options are better.
@@flandretek yeah, just that usually being a crap weapon makes it less fun
@@InsertFunnyThingHere scorch shot disagrees with your statement
This is the same experience I had.
They are not all better options. YER is a situational pick. It is not meant to be the best option at all time.
Same.
While it might technically be the worst, the YER is actually weirdly fun to use and is 100% my favorite way to play spy
If you know how to act like the class your disguised as, it's an actual s tier knife
@@sukruthsadventure1523 thats why i use it.. im a spy main and i hate it when people say the yer is bad. i main it
@@soupcide bro fr. the yer + the deadringer is a really good combination that I use when playing spy, and it works insanely well. in order for this weapon to be good, you just have to be good at playing spy by itself.
I actually find it good, since you can keep being on the enemy team without undisguising although it does need some good acting skills and trickstabbing.
I like playing with this knife as it fixes one of spy's main problems, which is getting one backstab then dying instantly
When you called it "The Stranger", that was actually pretty accurate, since l' etranger is French for "The Foreigner"
Really?
@@sebastiangibson9671 Apparently!
étranger means both “stranger” and “foreigner”
its both, stranger and foreigner
@@cartozzzTV nobody cares 💀
i think what the devs were going for was a playstyle which spy stays around the enemy base. to put it simply, the big earner gives you a choice on what to do after a backstab; run away, or go for a chain. the YER takes that away and forces you to stay near your enemies, along with the downsides of the knife itself.
I think the developers thought players would more easily be fooled by disguised Spies
@@davidhong1934 There are some players that use disguises effectively but it's really rare
@@davidhong1934 I think the problem is just how much source spagethi that fucks disguises in particular there is.
What do you mean there are knives other than the kunai?
@@EthVortexShield yesh also known as the ambassador
The fact that he calls the L'etranger something different every single time kills me
As a french guy, it's always hilarious
the le hordorodo
Omlet du fromage
The El Etraynger
The Stranger
Honestly this weapon suffers from a very specific stigma: their mechanics were made for a game that's vastly different than what it is today. It was made when there was literally no other alternative to the stock knife, with the silent decloak ability in mind. But as time went on, it got simultaneously nerfed and power crept, but the idea was unique enough that the dev's didn't want to entirely scrap it.
It would be perfectly fine if it just didn’t have the drain rate debuff the eating your cloak for a disguise is enough of a downside
I love the current knife. To me its a weapon like the beggars or the loose cannon. Worse than stock with a super high skill cap but with the reward of being super fun once you get good at it.
@@peterisawesomeplease Except with enough skill the loose cannon can at least do better than stock at single target damage.
@@peterisawesomeplease The BEGGARS is a weapon you have to "get good at"?
Then I guess getting good won't be a long process, just repeatedly spam mouse1 in the general direction of the enemy spawn
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Look up some blind pyro videos from back in the day. Beggars rocket jumping is one of the most complex movement mechanics in the game. Its rocket jumping but with another layer of complexity on top.
This episode feels like it hinges on the entire idea that disguises don't fool good players. But when one actually knows how to use the disguise kit, like being aware of class behavior, replicating details of sight direction, weapon selection, and general location, this knife just become so much more effective and more skillful and satisfying than using cloak.
Well, you will never be in a place where you would be considered a spy, backstabbed a sniper?, now you are where he was, well, sniping your team, backstabbed a spy?, no one is suspicius of a spy going from the enemy side if they know there are spies in the team, etc...
Fish does say he's not an especially good Spy player, but even then, the YER is really weak because it trades your cloak for greater proficiency in disguising. A knife that did the same thing the other way around would also suck (though probably less so) because both are essential parts of Spy's kit. Disguises are incredibly useful for getting in close to a target, while the cloak is immensely helpful for getting into position or getting the fuck out of dodge. Neither really supersedes the other in terms of how powerful they can be, they're different tools for different jobs, and the tradeoff doesn't work because they're designed to complement each other rather than compete.
@@yakobsoulstorm5187 I think the cloak drain is really awful, but when you use it with letranger it is still slightly more than what you would get with ju8st a stock loadout, so for me it helps me get used to having less cloak and forcing me to be more effect with cloaking in general
@@jacobcampbell797 I’m not the biggest fan of weapons sucking to make people better at the mechanics.
mfs disguise as a scout and walk directly into the enemy team get killed then go "MAN DISGUISES DON'T WORK WHAT THE HELL"
12:53 "The whole razorback neuters spy argument is stupid."
Proceeds to die trying to gun one down.
In fairness, Fish killed another person and that Sniper saw it and went after him. If you sneak up on a scoped Sniper with the razorback and start shooting him, you’ll usually get the kill.
He was using the yer and let ranger which was his exact argument
@@poozahnuts hate to be the correcter guy, but it’s l’etranger, god I hate Fr*nch
Yes but he died cuz he missed all 3 shots
@@lolforlife2487 then he shouldn't have used that clip to support his claim of "Just shoot the razorback sniper, it's not that hard."
When the world needed him most, he revealed his loving hands (knife) to us.
Fish, THANK YOU for suggesting that the YER should have the old set's silent decloak. It's the most obvious and fun way to fix it but no one seems to ever mention that. I still find it completely absurd that only some of the item sets had their bonuses translated into weapons from the set (like Pyro getting the speed boost from the set put into the Powerjack). I've been saying it for years that all the YER needs is for it to be reverted back to pre-JI (so no manual disguises or cloak penalty) and adding the Saharan Spy's upside, just those two things would keep it simple while still making it a completely viable and fun sidegrade.
Technically the spy was given the 40% increased cloak on the L'etranger as compensation for removing the set bonus, but I agree giving the knife the old silent decloak would be really fun.
@@borutoburrito6547 imo this.
even if they refused to revert any of the other stats, the silent decloak would in itself almost make up for how nerfed the thing is.
Frankly I say keep the current penalties, add the silent cloak, and then give the silent killer upside to all Spy melees because the class seriously needs some actual stealth mechanics.
Being unable to disguise at all makes the weapon even more vulnerable to communication and makes you completely unable to approach sentries and aware opponents until after a backstab (that you will likely die after getting unless your opponents are really stupid).
Problem is that the old silent decloak was completely abusable with the dead ringer
And the Sidney Sleeper should let a Sniper survive a Quick-Scope headshot, so I can counter those annoying god-like Sniper (or Cheaters)
I love the YER. It's easily my second most used knife these days because it actually DOES have believable disguises. Just think about it. You turn around, see a friendly teammate, walk a little, turn around, see the exact same friendly teammate with nothing in the killfeed, and nothing seems off. Pair that with my burning eternal hatred for Engineer and it makes it incredibly appealing for me. I've tried the kunai, and honestly, I've done well with it, but I never feel like the 200 health occasionally is benefitting me any more than a consistent 125.
The thing is, the ragdolls and the knife hitting you still make quiet but very distinct sounds. If you are playing against a experienced player, the disguise doesn't do much.
Well, at least in pubs where 50% of the players have tunnel vision and are completely deaf is still a viable choice.
@@BComet The funny thing is, the victims of YER do not scream, but since the knife still does stabbing sound, you can easily hear it. And since nobody is screaming, the sound becomes pretty loud lol
@@BComet if a player is experienced enough spy becomes useless anyway so that situation doesnt really matter
I also love the pacing with this knife. I've switched between a lot of spy loadouts throughout my time in TF2 and I've found the "good pick-> cloak-> run and disguise" thing can get pretty monotonous. The YER makes me feel like I actually have to employ stealth and deception instead of right-clicking after a kill.
@@haydenhaslip2024 This is just isn't true In HL at the top level spy is a top 4 fragging class on average with some utility outside of killing things and generally killing higher value targets. This is a newish development in the high level meta as spies have improved and the need to counter sniper has increased. But hate seeing this posted over and over. And disguises/acting do work even at the highest levels. No its not pretending to be some class that works. But spy checking is costly in the middle of fight. This means you can force a player to lose to your teammate by spy checking or die to you if you are believable in the quarter second they have to look at you.
if you want to keep the whole "disguise over cloak" thing then get rid of the cloak drain and the cost of disguises,
and make it so while disguised your cloak turns into a sort of health bar.
make it take hits for you, make it let you move through enemies.
you can still cloak while disguised it just might leave you vulnerable later.
That's, actually a good idea for a watch. Instead of cloak, you become identical to opponents.
No hitbox collision against enemy bodies, effects of jarate, milk, and fire don't show to enemies, fire deals less damage (say 60%) and isn't visible. This mode/deepcover is on a timer similar to cloak, and all at the cost of having to undeepcover/stop "enemy cloaking" to backstab/shoot.
It would actually allow you to blend in instead of getting found out because a scout ran into you, a paranoid engie shooting any teammates, or a pyro misclicked.
@@bombboy3427 indeed! I always felt that the YEW punished you more for using cloak rather than rewarding you for using disguises.
@@bombboy3427Average Spy main
Sounds a bit OP. At this point just add a disguise kit that completely turns you into the class with the same weapons and you just use its weapons for the rest of the game.
@@attibotgd4123 well maybe the disguise could still be identifiable under certain effects, like scout's mad milk, sniper's jarate, pyro's after burn and etc.... It doesn't outright make you a perfect disguise but it does make it harder to find out. Counterplay's there but it's just more niche, requiring the enemy to put a conscious effort into countering the spy instead of being relatively passive
As a spy main, i personally like using the eternal reward. It feels great when you get a chainstab, and the l'ensomethingorother is actually useful for defending yourself. On top of that, there are actually some situations where the dead ringer is actually quit good, like on the final point on dustbowl attack.
I never thought about this weapon being bad, my team use to get destroyed with this back in the day, and I still see people using it.
But after seeing this I wonder how it ever gave me issues.
Probably the set
And the people now being better at seeing through disguises
"Back in the day" probably before it drained your cloak like lightning, then. The lack of disguise without a stab hurt back then too (and you couldn't even trade cloak for a disguise), but at least the set bonus's silent decloak could sometimes mitigate that
Once I saw a comment about Your Eternal Reward, before it was difficult to get the first costume and then it was easier, in my opinion although I didn't start playing tf2 before they nerfed it, I guess it was better than now, imagine the Stock but without being able to disguise, the one now changed for the worse, technically you still cannot disguise yourself since you need Cloak to do it (I know you can do it in the spawn, but we all know that this disguise will not last long) with the Stock watch you cant disguise when you're invisible and the drain greatly affects the amount of time you can be invisible (sooner or later you'll become visible in an inconvenient situation and you can't even disguise) it weakens you a lot, with Dead Ringer it's also a problem since reduces your cloak (it do the DR almost useless) and unlike Stock or CaD you can't reload your cloak with ammo packs, that weaken you a lot and with CAD (the only watch you can use it with) will not allow you to escape either due to the cloak drain,
with all the watchs it does not leave you much chance to enter the enemy side, it is usable but terrible and its reward is not worth its disadvantages
Bc most of the people using it were probably really good spies who wanted to give themselves a challenge
Funny hard to pronounce extra cloak gun and stock watch pair super well with it if u know ammo locations, get behind the enemy then go ham. Go into hiding if u get noticed, then just continue.
I once fooled my friend by disguising as a friendly heavy, that was hilarious.
mm yes we are engaging in some tomfoolery.
I’ve always thought about buffing it by muting someone’s voice and text chat for a few seconds, maybe even until respawn, once they’ve been stabbed by the YER. It helps eliminate the big issue of “if someone says they got stabbed by a YER spy you’re fucked”. However, I feel like this could very easily be an incredibly busted stat, so I don’t know if adding it would be a good idea. I just want to see this weapon be more than the “holy shit there’s too many engineers for me to sap all the sentries before dying” knife.
An in game weapon affecting non gameplay aspects of the game would be the most abused troll weapon ever.
-On kill: finds and uninstalls discord on the target's pc
Huh, briefly muting a backstabbed target sounds cool as hell. I want that now lol
This suggestion should apply to every single spy knife as its incredibly easy for someone shout your position or something when they die, which makes the effort of Spy's part meaningless, so voicechat abuse on backstabs was worse.
@@pillgrimm
I can already see Spy mains calling their YER "shut the fuck up"
Can we just appreciate the soldier at 10:33 for his amazing melee name?
LMAO
💀
*Stop that.*
C U M E D Y
I once found a guy with the same weapon named "black history month"
If they updated the weapon with "decloak makes less noise" I think it would be more viable, it would make you more aggressive and allow for more risky decloaking but keeping that 33%+ decloak rate would make it more balanced.
I agree that maybe the "does not show up in kill feed" should probably be a UNIVERAL thing. It FITS with spies thing. Your ideas for fixes seems perfectly reasonable to me. Silent killer, Silent Decloak, say 25% clock duration, 50% clock drain for a disguise sounds good.
I mean it will make YER more special
To be fair if all knives had the silent killer atribute, Spy would be grossly overpowered. Like, imagine a Spy using the stock knife, having the silent killer with no downsides. The Spy can make a massive chainstab with no downsides at all
@@Gon-hx4df The STAB itself doesn't have to be silent, just not show up in the killfeed.
@@Gon-hx4df Not showing in killfeed for all knives wouldn't be that much of a difference. They didn't talk about silent killer in general. If you just have it so no backstabs show up on the killfeed you would still have the crit sound and everything. Not grossly overpowered, merely a slight upgrade.
You spelled cloak wrong sir.
You weren't kidding when you called this knife "Spy: Hard Mode" in your Future of BWA video. I did not realize this thing was this punishing, and now I will continue to refuse using it as I always did.
On a side note, the L'Etranger pronunciations slowly get more and more fucked with each video.
You are making a mistake in giving it up. It's amazing if you learn to use it properly.
@@ludwigiapilosa508 i use it as the training knife
When i'm good with letranger/dr/yer, i can often switch to the kunai and get a few godlikes in a row
What's weird is that there's one instance where he pronounced the L'etranger correctly
15:05 The best one
Hell mode is this thing with the dead ringer and the enforser
I love that the keikaku joke is actually funnier when you put the translator's note on screen
12:48 That is a very common misconception. Spy's power comes from the fact that he can kill and run away all in the blink of an eye, but a razorback entirely invalidates that. Imagine you're next to a sniper and a sentry, usually you'd be able to stab the sniper and then sap the sentry or vice versa no problem (since neither of them have ears and sentries are relatively slow) but a sniper with a razorback makes that completely impossible. I've had shitloads of backstabs and chainstabs get ruined for me because a razorback sniper unintentionally slid between me and his teammates' backs. I've even had times where I did shoot and sometimes even kill the sniper only for some soldier or pyro or other guy take notice or come around a corner and instantly destroy me. Also, denying trickstabs (something that takes a lot of skill and game sense and is already janky enough) is just bad game design because it says "Oh you spent a lot of time learning this very specific stab? Well fuck you buddy because he clicked on something in a menu". Couple on the fact that good/lucky snipers can just instantly turn around and kill you as soon as you start shooting, not to mention revolver aim being absolute shit after the first shot, and realize that it's just not that simple. It's like telling a pyro to "just use melee" against a darwins danger shield sniper. The only people who say stuff like this are people who clearly do not play spy much which is apparently everybody since 9/10 people say it and I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't at least a little bit annoying.
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@@sarahh08unnecesary
I understand your point
I feel like the razorback isn't just a limiter to spies, i feel like it can be a good conditioner for them. Since Spy does have another good option for insta kills up close in the form of the Ambassador. Spies will swap to this after being caught by the Razorback and attempt to headshot the sniper point blank. Use this to your advantage, make the spy do that so you can destroy him with either the kukri or an SMG
I’ve watched his videos, he’s a sniper main so he’s bias towards snipers.
Snipers always hang around nests or people. Taking the time for two or 3 shots slows you down and leaves you open for other opponents or sentries. Not to mention every pro sniper I face some how headshots me before I even get a 3rd shot in.
So really the only time you’re able to kill a razor back sniper as a spy is when they are alone.
Even in this video alone he failed at killing the snipers not because the YER sucks but because of the reasons above, it’s literally countering spy lol.
If razorback failed at its job, countering spy, then nobody would be using it lol.
As a hardcore Your Eternal Reward user I just wanna say this.
Using the Cloak and Dagger watch in tandem with Your Eternal Reward makes the experience SO MUCH BETTER. It almost feels like they were designed to be used together
100% agreed. As a person who has used this combo quite a lot it almost allows you to negate the downsides of the YER. I was wondering when someone else was going to bring up this combo.
I'm quite new player (about 150 or so hours in tf2, and about 8 hours playing spy), but I can confirm it.
I only have 10 hours on spy but over 9 of those hours was me using YER
From my experience , using cloak and dagger with YER is pain since it doesn't let you regain cloak meter from ammo boxes. My loadout is L'Etranger, YER, Stock Invis Watch.
YER feels like a knife thst caters to a specific playstyle of Stealth.
- Kunai caters to a chainstab/kills while tanking attacks.
- Big Earner caters to 2 playstyle: running away after stab, or a chainstab while dodging attacks.
-YER caters to a playstyle of just pure stealth. Little-to-no noises. Instant disguise that even if people see the person that you backstabbed, as long as YOU don't get seen 100% on their viewpoint, you would be disguise and they see as though nothing just happened.
Imo, ammo boxes are important but if you're in a map with ammo boxes that are a little too out of reach and you're in a fight, then I'd be fine with cloak and dagger, however I'd just go kunai at that point tbh.
@@BartholomewTheIII yeah the ammo box issue sucks, but I just uncloak for a split second to pick it up if nobody will see me. It can be a hassle, but you get used to it
0:00 Intro
0:24 Skill Disclaimer
1:00 Why the YER used to be popular
1:38 Stats
2:14 Cloak Comparison
3:04 Disguises normally are Disposable
4:22 Strengths of Spy
5:10 Disguising after Spawn
6:19 Overly Punishing
7:02 Slow Classes suck with this
7:35 The C&D
8:32 Dead Ringer
9:28 Stock Watch
10:00 Stab and Sap
11:20 Target priority
12:28 Sniper and the Razorback Situation
14:08 Summary
14:20 Solution
15:46 and let me festivize it
16:28 Outro
Nice comment mate!
0:12 Perfect timing! now that you're totally a member of the red team, you're also a winner!
Death Note really does go from a masterpiece to eh it's alright after L dies. And yeah, it does feel like they introduced smarter and smarterer for the express purpose of fucking over Light with something he couldn't have planned for.
Also great video.
I think L was smarter than Light, but having a tool as powerful as the Death Note can more than make up for it
But yeah after L it seems they just wanted to put an end to Light to avoid having such a sour ending where the bad guy wins
Personally I’m not a big fan of death note, though I do recognize that it’s a good show. Light just sort of suddenly becomes a massive prick with a god complex almost immediately after getting the death note, and remains a one dimensional character to the end without any real growth or introspection. Plus I think the show kind of chickened out when it didn’t really explore the true implications of what the existence of a death note would mean for the world and the geopolitical environment. They sort of hint at it, but avoid going into any great detail.
I think the YER is a great tool for forcing you to actually learn to act as the enemies you disguise as, like if you get stuck as a heavy, you can wait at chokes, you jump corners with your minigun out, anything to make your disguise more convincing.
2 years later and I still swear this is the most underrated weapon in the entire game
I still can't get enough of how he spells "The Stranger" in the Funniest kind of ways.
The your eternal reward is honestly my favorite spy knife. I love it a lot
But you realise it's still a bad weapon, right?
@@kittymyths1208 ratio
I think the only time I've used this is when the other team stacked engie so I took them out one by one, and they didn't notice throughout the whole thing.
pretty fun weapon.
It is literally the bully engies knife
Yea I love the knife for a bunch of reasons but dealing with engie stacking in pubs is probably its nicest attribute.
Your spy game clips make me feel better about my average spy gameplay
I think that a fairly simple change that could be interesting is to make it still require 100% cloak to disguise, but not have it consume the cloak.
So you would be able to disguise freely, as long as you have full cloak meter
Pretty sure this was my first Spy unlock.
Which is probably why he's still my least played class at 3 1/2 hours...
0:01so that's where they got the name from
Correct
You can cheese the cloak drain if you cloak immediately after disguising, but you still need to have a full meter to disguise
Im honestly surprised he didn’t mention the combo of the yer and the enforcer. Its like a worse diamondback combo but its still kinda good
The YER is the best knife in the game and you cant change my mind. It is a silent killer, normally if you stab someone with any other knife it plays this LOUD backstab sound that every tf2 player has imprinted in the back of their mind so that if someone is stabbed they immediately twist they're head to look for a spy. The your eternal rewards "silent killer" perk allows you to get chain stabs much more efficiently and regularly than any other knife in the game because it does not have this huge alarm go off whenever you stab someone. I AM aware it still makes a faint noise which shouldn't be a feature but in the situation you would WANT to get a chain stab is usually when people are shooting and pushing the cart or about to uber (where there are other loud noises occurring).
And besides, even if they DO hear the noise, when they look behind them they will just see their teammate in the exact place they were before because of the other perk of the YER, the instant disguise on backstab. I know many people say disguises dont work, but I have countless clips of me fooling an entire team of experienced players with my disguise.
It also helps manage paranoia. With any other knife if you stab someone people nearby will likely be just as paranoid as the person you stabbed, making it hard to tell how paranoid certain players are, however with the YER you can easily keep track on who will likely spy check more often as you get to handpick who you want knowing about you, and who you dont. (However this mainly only comes into play with less coordinated teams). Also I never use the Le'tranger with the YER because many say 1/3 of your cloak is a lot, but i only ever see myself using 2/3 of my cloak meter when sneaking behind the enemies. (Also ammo boxes exist)
And finally, the full cloak drain on disguise. You can just disguise in spawn and then go to the frontlines with that disguise, and when you get a backstab you change into another one. Besides I find the full cloak drain on disguise to be more of a minor inconvenience than a game-changing debuff (Also ammo boxes exist). The YER also helps to constantly change disguises and make you less predictable. Most spy mains just throw on scout every time when spawning and expect people to believe his disguise. The YER makes you constantly change your disguise with each kill, making it less obvious on which class spy is disguising as because it is varied.
I am aware that using the YER limits gun usage, making you more vulnerable. But I say that fits spy better. Spy is the sneaky stealthy class who instakills teams from behind without most players even noticing. The revolver SHOULD be a last ditch effort for spy used in situations where there is no other way to get away or kill the player, not some item you pull out every time someone sees you. Besides its not like if you use your gun you cant disguise anymore, waiting for your cloak meter isnt that bad of a task and usually just requires you to be extra cautious. Besides youd usually find yourself getting a backstab before your cloak refills anyways. You using this argument contradicts your older argument of "disguises dont work" aswell. (also ammo boxes exist).
This used to be my absolute favorite knife. I loved being forced to rely on my cloak, and as a player who rarely used his disguise kit, it fit my playstyle.
But then they slapped on that cloak nerf for seemingly no reason. Killed the knife for me.
If the nerf was the 33% cloak drain then just use the L'Etranger it negates it and is an excellent revolver in general
@@haydenhaslip2024 my guy, the l'etranger is an excellent revolver cus it gives you *more* cloak to work with, using it with the YER is literally just having normal cloak but with a worse revolver
@@azurabbit12 And the ability to very easily have the entire enemy team just not notice when you backstab someone? And be able to keep them fooled for a pretty long time before you find your next victim? You're just talking as if the YER was a knife with no pros and it's only con is +33% cloak drain.
@@manologamerss5801 what are you even talking about? That's completely off topic, I'm talking about cloak duration here, not about the YER's perks, yes ofc using the YER gives you the upsides of using the fucking YER, I absolutely never implied otherwise
But if we're talking cloak duration wise, using the l'etranger with the YER is just like having normal cloak with any other knife but with a worse revolver
@@azurabbit12 you still get more cloak though?
Stock watch + YER + L'etranger = 12 second cloak time.
If you do use this, surprisingly the watch I find the most useful is the Cloak and Dagger, simply because you can sit and wait for a full cloak meter, disguise, and stay cloaked until you need to. It's better for hiding than for escapes, obviously, but it can work.
yer + dr better because ppl will call you a crutch and pussy player
he said it aswell but as said with the C&D you are gonna play a lot slower making this combo not usable in all game modes
If they give the knife silent cloak or at least quieter cloak hiding will then actually be useful cause then you will already be in position to backstab the person you just fooled by standing in a single spot
That intro was such a perfect clip that I can't help but feel like the weapon's name is an intentional reference to that scene.
It is
I find the sacrifice of cloak for a disguise is much less of a problem if you just make use of ammo packs, then it's almost a nonissue. And slain enemies drop medium ammo packs, so there you go; got a slow disguise from a slow victim? Use their ammo box to change it.
The fast cloak drain has to go, though. I mean I like the L'Etranger, but come on.
it's not even REMOTELY close to a bad weapon. WHAT are you on
Thanks, Jafar! I have 20 of these but it’s still a kind offer!
One argument to make here: The YER is great for training wall cover. Invisibility and Disguise are great, but the most important way to hide from your enemies is to be behind a wall.
Also team wiping.
Alternate idea for this weapon: Disable manual disguising like it used to be, but you mimic more of your disguise's traits. If you can get a Scout backstab, you get Scout speed. You could get a very small DR for a Heavy disguise (like, just barely out of Direct Hit OHKO range).
Spy already gets classes speed when disguised as them
@@starwarstg498 except scout's. He still moves at spy speed.
@@starwarstg498 dont think i remember seeing disguised spies running at mach 4
That would be a buff without obvious visual communication so valve would never realisticly add it
@@imaginaryedge60 thats the big earner
0:56 saying that while the spy-cilce exists is crazy 💀
3:40 Meanwhile me most of the time: "That was a backstab, WHat the Fuck was that? That medic's back was looking right at me!"
I would also fix this weapon to work on MVM,since this weapon straight up doesnt function as intended in MvM (disguising by killing someone doesnt happen instantly and requires the same amount of time you would’ve spend if you disguised normally also the fact that robots can see through disguises)
It should at least have an upgrade to disguise faster
13:37 that was absolutely a backstab
This used to be my main knife until valve nerfed the cloak rate, it was already clunky and unorthodox to use but having to compensate a straight nerf with virtually almost no upsides is what made me move out of spy and just main engineer
Me still using just to stab right in front of sentries
yeah i found it more challenging and fun when you flat out couldn't disguise on your own. now with it negatively impacting cloaking is harsh.
that engineer was a spy!
Love the theme of calling L'tranger something different each time
The YER is my favourite knife, I like the high stakes gameplay and disguises being more random, I think what would help the YER(and spy in general) is adding the spywalk feature from TF2C
9:20
Your spy fail stream was hilarious. Im sorry you went through so much pain but it was pretty funny.
It’s because he’s using stock cloak the cloak and dagger+le tranger pretty much negate the downsides and you can pop in and out of cloak for a sec to pick up ammo like stock but you also have the +100% recharge rate
The Your Eternal Reward serves as a friendly reminder that cloaking is a privilege.
0:23 i didn't thought it was phisically possible for that to happen
That is a failstab
My two cents: I think the YER should get its old "can't disguise" stat back, but be buffed in accordance to this to essentially become a whole different playstyle. Whether that's through silent decloaking and/or something more out there, like somehow notably buffing disguises.
It would be really cool if it was a knife that gave you access to disguises with some sort of added functionality while making said disguises harder to access. Like not losing the disguise on a failed backstab attempt, being able to act out animations like shooting, or maybe getting stat changes or bonuses depending on the disguise.
Or you could go all in on making it "the cloak knife," limiting your disguise capabilities but making your cloak stronger or more versatile.
I dunno, I like weapons with really significant and interesting changes, and I like the idea of buffing spy's stealth and deception aspects.
Also L'Etranger names lol
decloak? you mean disguise right?
@@seva7500 oh yeah, oops
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 It would be cool if It gave you a small boost based on class backstabbed, like health with medic and heavy and Speed with scout, etc.. i would also give the ability to disable voice chat for 3 seconds for the backstabbed player.
Final small touch? For 1 second you can't backstab, but also you don't bump into enemies
Ill never see this as a bad weapon because of that one spy who’s name I always forget that was insane and cocky, he made great post commentary videos back in the day during the love and war era
Edit: I think his name was Arlix?
Woolen?
that describes every spy main
@@koth_harvest_final no I think his name was arlix? He used the yer, dead ringer and the ambassador and sometimes diamondback, yes he was a douche but he was very self aware of it
9:14 what map is this?
@@ianjackson4721 snowplow in the alternative gamemodes section
5:19 I'm dying right now, that is SUCH a good ragdoll!
yeah it's pretty funny
crab spy dies
Alternatively, just buff the disguise kit so the disguises are more impactful.
remove footless demo
remove headless pyro
keep Phantom Heavy
The thing is, how are you going to buff a disguise kit? If you do the spy moves at scout speed thing then spies would just be disguised 24/7 just for the speed boost. All the bugs are just bugs, and fixing them wouldn’t buff the disguise kit.
@@uwuLegacy "fixing the bugs wouldn't buff the disguise kit" is flatly wrong imo. you can't disguise as 3 classes already, since soldier and heavy are so slow and unless he's using the blaster you'll never pass for a scout, but at least those are intentional. The bugs on top of that just make it even harder, since demoknight and stickytanks lose their feet and/or hold weapons that aren't for demo, and pyro, soldier, and heavy will A pose if there's no viable target and you're holding out the sapper. Those are just the ones I know of mostly, but the list is even longer.
however maybe there could be a way for spy to mimic the abilities of his disguise, for example perhaps a small health regen if disguised as medic, a small speed boost for scout, and a mild fire resistance for pyro? but maybe that's for another disguise kit idea overall. it's really hard to balance spy since spy mains basically exploit the limits of the game engine to begin with, so giving them an inch will result in giving them a mile.
@@penrose427 the thing with giving disguises buffs is that spies will just use those disguises, and congratulations - you not only buffed disguises but also buffed spy's movement speed/regen/whatever.
personally i like the idea of disguised spies getting some damage res like his cloak already does. maybe not 20%, maybe something like 10%
@@uwuLegacy First, by introducing either a disguised-class-based damage reduction or a flat 20, 25 or even 50% damage resist while disguised. I'd go for the former since it would make slow-class disguises actually viable. I'm not sure what part should receive this buff - YER specifically, or Spy as a whole. Either way, it's just a warranted buff nowadays, just like when his backstab animation was buffed from 1.1s to 0.8 - the game changed to the point that his disguise kit may as well not exist, people will shoot you either way.
Second, making a "fake animation" mechanic - you pull out your disguise kit, hit "special attack" key (or whatever Vaccinator/MVM Med Shield uses) and Spy plays a certain animation for his enemies. May be single-shot primary fire, secondary fire (would work great for Sniper disguise), or just a melee swing. Considering Spy can choose what weapon his disguised class holds, it can be any animation the game has to offer.
9:26 This Spy knows what's up.
So I'm not sure how enemy disguising looks like but at 9:56 that goddamn sniper morphing into a scout is terrifying
This is definitely not spies worst knife. Playing on attack on cp with the eternal reward and picking off people in the back then running around switching disguises finding ammo is extremely effective and got me my first seriously good match with spy. I got like 20-30 backstabs and I blame it on the eternal reward cause otherwise I would've just been killed instantly if I tried to keep that same agressive energy without a disguise.
A potential buff idea I've had for the YER for a loge while now was to give the disguised spy a damage resistance depending on what the disguise was as a way to make the cloak drain downside more tolerable. Probably terrible but I'd like to see what others think.
Maybe
That feels like it’d end up turning the YER into a weird version of the kunai.
the spy should NOt ever have damage reduction while visible.
this would lopside about half the matchups he is normally bad at on his favor at no cost(particulary the sniper matchup). especially once the DR also gets involved.
While it's not a great weapon, the YER to me is what makes TF2 unique - the big earner, kunai, stock, all of them you use the same. Call of Duty, you run 90% of guns the same way, run and shoot. The YER is a change to the play style, while still sticking to the core idea of being an assassin. YER and The Loose Cannon are probably my favorite weapons for this reason, being very different but still sticking to their class role and not reinventing the class
Me: *facestabs a medic*
My inner anime monologue: tsk, if I let him get his Uber… then my team… my friends… there’ll be nothing left! I CANT LET THEM BUILD UBER EVEN FOR A SECOND MORE! I’ll have to put everything I have into this stab! Breaking the game! Letting me backstab FROM THE FRONT! URAAAAAAH! *cheap ass face-stab*
I always wanted YER to give you an "upgraded disguise" since it relies on it so much, like allow you to do fake attacks or maybe let you tank a hit or 2 (cloak consuming shield?)
I was thinking that perhaps it could remove the visual effects that occur when debugged while disguised, so the flamethrowers and Jarate don't instantly out you anymore.
I love this weapon! Cant wait to see what you have to say about it.
This knife is so underrated, it's so fun to use and is incredibly useful for dealing with engineers
16:00 no, you just can't get the chainstabs of the yer against people that are competent using the kunai. people just turn around after the stab unless they are super new but if you are a bit selective on when you stab with the yer you can consistently chainstab experienced players. there is a reason why kunai pub stomping spies abandon games after a couple of deaths : if the enemy has ears the kunai turns from a chainstabbing machine to a single pick with a guaranteed(usually) escape. the yer on the other hand is really REALLY consistent, you just need experience on managing your cloak, acting and selecting when to make a play.
Remove the cloak drain rate and allow you to get disguised on ANY backstab, Uber, Bonk, and Razorback.
I kind of disagree with this whole video.
Thw communication aspect, being a problem for the YER, isn't really a problem unless in competitive, and even then, people call out spy, so if someone in your team calls out spy, and he's dead, but you see him alive, you'll be looking around for the spy while he is actually the person that just died.
In many aspects, the worst thing about spy is getting detected, as you have no chance again'st anyone who plays decently in a 1v1 from the front. But if they can't tell where you're at, who you are, nor hear your backstabs, then the whole game gets easier for you.
No one would expect a spy disguising as a heavy/soldier/engineer or spy even, these classes are so often not used with the disguise kit, so when you stab these classes, and get insta-disguised as them, it is allot more believable that you're that class, and not amogus sus.
So yeah, no cap on a stack you fell off + ratio + my mom owns the house now + my dad left for the milk + you're homeless + + .. you get the ideal..
At 0:30 was the Heavy getting killed being lined with Heavy grain of salt on purpose? That was brilliant
as a spy who uses your eternal reward, i can say that i don't agree with you
The increasingly ridiculous L'Etranger names got me good.
Good vid. With the added context of watching you practice spy in fish bites I reallly appreciate more than ever the effort that went into these clips
The amount of razorback snipers I have double backstabbed without them noticing is stupid, allowing me to essentially ignore the weakness the knife has
thats hillarious
I mean,
it's not like situationally aware Sniper mains tend to equip the Razorback.
Disguises are shit, spy needs a little more control over how disguises look, imagine fake shooting with a disguise, you see your teams heavy walking revved up and even shooting, are you gonna spycheck him? Or your teams sniper scoped in at the very back, would you spycheck? Heck, a demoknight running and just swinging his sword around shouting "BLOODY SPY!!!" do you even spycheck this guy?
Disguises do so little work that you could straight up play without them with YER, try it, don't even disguise at spawn just make your way to them with plain cloak and you will see that they either don't check their back or you are dead anyway, the disguise literally wouldn't change this fact
Being able to shoot will change nothing when people already shoot everything with a pulse no matter the color.
sometimes it doesnt show ur damaged tho as diguised. idk when or how, but sometimes hurting diguised u see no blood. but it best to assume to keep shooting. but there is other effects that do apply to them.
Couldn't agree more, why didn't they add fake shooting to Spy's disguises? That would make disguises a lot more effective! Cuz literally nobody is fooled by disguises anymore, not even newbies
9:33 El et ranger
Every time i get backstabbed by an ER spy i can see that the spy has disguised as me, so i just type in chat who the spy is making it useless since now that everyone knows who the spy is you need to change the disguise.
Me who uses C&D and YER: wow what a cool video! time to ignore everything that was said!
The 4 second cloak
As someone with over 8,000 hours and highest play time on Spy, I really have to hard disagree with classifying this weapon as “bad”. While it’s usage is less generalized than stock, it very much has its niche and you’ll find it particularly useful in pubs with a noticeable amount of team play. Pub Spy has a very big problem, if opponents have ears you can stab one maybe two people before being forced to flee or attempt trick stabs if you want to be aggressive. If one of these competent players is Pyro you will die 100% of the time regardless of Kunai or Deadringer, there is simply no way around getting cornered by fire and airblast. The YER mitigates this issue immensely with its silent kill since in game callouts typically aren’t fast enough to alert opponents to your stab chain and no death scream plays for a competent player to be alerted to. This niche sounds simple, but it’s far more relevant in pubs than it seems. The overall spy paranoia of a pub is drastically and noticeably lower when opponents aren’t communicating your existence and can’t examine the effect you have via kill chat or death screams. The downsides are also far FAR more manageable than most seem to realize. With L’etranger, the reduced cloak time is completely irrelevant and losing cloak for redisguise is extremely negligible since you often lose your disguise when retreating after a stab which means you can go back to friendly controlled territory to just pick up an uncontested ammo crate. I very rarely ever die or lose momentum to losing cloak on re-disguise. I would say the *actual* downsides of the YER are just disguising as slow classes and being forced to run the L’etranger. I also think the notion that disguises don’t fool people is completely and utterly wrong. If you’ve never tried it, walk backwards into the enemy team in a pub and it works like 80% of the time. Disguises fool people the most when you act out playing the other team. Pathing for backstabs, looking at opponents, etc are all things people do that get them caught then immediately profess how bad disguises are. There’s also an extremely niche upside to the YER that literally everyone skips over that is way more important than they realize. Backstabbing a medic target forces the medic to attach his beam to you. This immediately gives you overheal you can use to escape or if the Medic was looking away you can attempt to fool them for a second which plays into the tempo of the enemy medic basically aiding your team instead of theirs which is far more powerful than one might realize. The final upside is that re-disguising let’s you ignore sentries while backstabbing which, once again, in pubs is a far more relevant upside than it seems. Overall, you’ll never see the YER in competitive and you’ll also never see it used well in the hands of a noob, but for semi-competent spies rocking pubs it has a couple pretty valuable upsides for picking out opponents amongst the pockets of space between better players. Honestly, when it comes to pubs I would rank the Big Earner lower than the YER since -25 health is a pretty ginormous downside for an upside that the Deadringer can already provide and better.
Big earner doesn't slow you to an absolute crawl when you inevitably stab a heavy. In fact, it allows you to trickstab players easier since the speed boost messes with their muscle memory.
(Also the massive chainstabs you can go on with it)
While the big earner's -25 health penalty can be mitigated by simply right-clicking with any invis watch (since the damage resistances puts you back into the two-shotting threshold of stock), the yer essentially forces you to equip the weakest revolver combat-wise, and the disguise penalty denies you from ever the dead ringer effectively.
To rank the big earner lower than the yer is absurd.
Vague Castle649 it’s easy to stab trash with the Big Earner but then again it’s easy to stab trash in general. If you want chain stabs then you run the Kunai, it does everything Big Earner wants to do but better. The YER offers a solution for players who are never going to let you chain stab them. Stealth is about the only option your going to have against a Pyro who knows what the M2 button does.
@@hideyochest8964 The big earner's speed boost is not to be underestimated, as it allows you to close the gap on distant enemies (i.e chainstabs) and outstrafe, dodge and stab a player who knows how to play around trickstabs.
It also allows you to reach scouts and medics with the speed.
While the kunai is better for clumped together chainstabs, the big earner is better for distant chainstabs.
Stealth is never going to matter against a decent pyro, and the yer's soft forcing of the l'etranger, means you'll die to pyros more often than if you had stock
(Although it is good for chainstabbing in a sentry nest, I'll give you that).
I am a spy main and YER is only for people who actually know how to play spy, and not for beginners like you. YER is one of the best knifes I've ever used because good spy mains know how to stay quiet and be fast.
No. You just suck with the better knives
No, the YER is just better than people give it credit for because it doesn't cater to brainless kunai spies @@maskettaman1488
Would giving temporary resistance to a spy once he backstabs an enemy help this weapon get better?
No. Resistance after backstab won't help you if you can't stab anyone.
How about gain some cloak on a backstab?
Honestly, I really didn't mind the original "No manual disguise", and preferred it to the "pay a full cloak bar and faster cloak drain" thing. It was a fun minigame to use cloak until you got your first disguise. Maybe a compromise could be that once you're disguised, you can change what the disguise is without penalty.
I didn't deserve to kill that medic!
-Most based spy player qoute ever
4:03 : Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.
Just wait until he hears about the kunai.
3 words that shut down this weapon
"spy as me"
One trick I use I learned from funk. Bring dead ringer and disguise as friendly pyro, run in like dumb ass noob Pyro and pop dead ringer. Use the speed and the invis to sneak round back and pick up a sniper or someone coming out of spawn to get a disguise then proceed as normal.
I only knew this from Murder 4 and it was in my watch next list
“Not good at spy” pulls multiple chain stabs