[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Eviction Notice

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  • Have you ever looked at a weapon and wondered "How am I even supposed to use this piece of shit?" Don't worry. I'm here now.
    I want to evict this item from my backpack.
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  • @4mid1
    @4mid1 ปีที่แล้ว +3576

    valve's idea is that heavy shouldn't be able to go fast and have no mobility options and when he does it should be with major penalty, but it's 15% passive... that makes sense for the GRU but not the poor eviction notice

    • @gravity1537
      @gravity1537 ปีที่แล้ว +266

      I've noticed a lot with other Heavy weapons as well. For example, take the Tomislav; The Tomislav doesn't trivialize revving up and positioning, but its faster, silent spin-up time, just fast enough that you can bunny-hop, gives the Heavy a lot more flexibility. However, because of its accuracy bonus, the Tomislav also requires the user to be more precise, something Heavy usually doesn't have to worry about when using the Stock Minigun or other unlocks.

    • @docholiday4129
      @docholiday4129 ปีที่แล้ว +184

      It makes sense that heavy should be slow. He’s got one of the highest DPS at close range. But they did the eviction notice so dirty

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw ปีที่แล้ว +169

      that wasnt even valves idea they wanted heavy to be fast their mistake was listening to the quasi modo 6s comp scene who would cry and mald with any fast heavy.
      the older team wanted to make him more viable the 2014-17 team tried to pander to the incredible diminute comp scene and made the changes for them when they tried to push tf2 in that direction
      that all failed and we were left out with a lof of useless weapons

    • @kilowyatt1107
      @kilowyatt1107 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      Blame comp players cause they hate the mere thought of heavies being allowed to reach mid even slightly faster, I shit you not they banned the steak too because of the speed boost

    • @aereonexapprentice7205
      @aereonexapprentice7205 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@kR-qj7rw Did they even complain about eviction notice tho? I highly doubt anybody in the competitive scene ever tries melee heavy, let alone trying to utilize eviction's speed boost in comp. Because, let's be real, it wasn't even any useful outside of dedicated semi-effective meme builds in the first place anyway. So i think we are right to blame valve for this one.

  • @geometrical007
    @geometrical007 ปีที่แล้ว +2194

    Let’s be clear, the biggest downside is that the brass knuckles made specifically to increase your damage deal much less damage than bare fists. Just swap the stats with the Warrior’s Spirit to at least make some sense

    • @luckyducky7819
      @luckyducky7819 ปีที่แล้ว +298

      Why not just cut the shit and make it a bleed weapon that makes you move slightly faster, swing faster, but do pitiful damage?

    • @The_whales
      @The_whales ปีที่แล้ว +93

      Hitting someone with brass does less than a human bone covered in skin

    • @Bnvnu
      @Bnvnu ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@luckyducky7819 "warrior spirit 2 electric boogaloo" i want something that works man :(

    • @geometrical007
      @geometrical007 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      @@The_whales it is not just brass, it is sharpened brass, which of course should deal more damage than a simple punch

    • @luckyducky7819
      @luckyducky7819 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @@geometrical007 If you make it a bleed weapon, you could rationalize it by saying he's throwing lighter punches to maximize the bleed on the enemy. Heavier punches could cause the wound to seal a bit, and therefore they won't bleed as much.

  • @jacob5169
    @jacob5169 ปีที่แล้ว +790

    I just realized: The Hot Hand is going to probably be sumarized as, "The Eviction Notice, but worse somehow."

    • @appelofdoom8211
      @appelofdoom8211 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      You know a weapon's bad when it's dps is worse than a blown up caber and it's still supposed to actually kill people.

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Ye 1 second speed boost and literally B slapping your opponents for the same 60% less damage per hit but you hit twice to give a excuse of -20% less damage.
      And it doesnt help matter that this is for class that already specializes at being personal, flamethrower does much better job than some fireproof Glove.
      Thats just sad amalgamation of Powerjack and Fish.

    • @szatid2645
      @szatid2645 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I personally think the EN is worse than the Hot Hand, cause at least Hot Hand has a function... Use it as a meme weapon, while EN is a terrible meme weapon thanks to te health draining

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@szatid2645 Sorry but we dont talk about meme potential, we are talking about the efficiency, not going for lols.
      Yes its fun to pretend to be Jojo and using EN at 10x server punching super fast yet you get almost 0% chance to kill your opponent.
      I just said Pyro's Melees are usually unused unless you could something like Powerjack or Homewrecker but I am more of Homewrecker fan as I hang out near Dispenser and Sentries or near Engineer in general.

    • @Breached18
      @Breached18 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@KL53986 backscratcher is also really good, that damage boost is amazing with crits

  • @pajamapantsjack5874
    @pajamapantsjack5874 ปีที่แล้ว +1036

    >brass spiked knuckles a weapon so deadly it’s banned in some states.
    “Yeah let’s give that a damage nerf and make it a hit faster”
    I’ll never understand

    • @Dr_Dan_
      @Dr_Dan_ ปีที่แล้ว +98

      the logic behind it was "knuckles are lighter than boxing gloves", probably. but then the stock fists exist

    • @duncanchillake8024
      @duncanchillake8024 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      Honestly almost none of the heavy melee debuffs make sense, i could try explaining a few
      Eviction notice dealing less damage
      *(heavy focuses on hitting his opponents fast so he sacrifices the force he puts behind his punches)*
      Bear paws giving you damage vulnerability
      *(Heavy got cursed by mother nature for ripping off a bear's paws, so everytime he wears them he gets punished by the lord)*
      Fists of steel giving you melee vulnerability
      *(Steel fists are too heavy for heavy so he can't block enemies who hit his blind spots)*
      Gloves of running urgently's health drain
      *(There are spiders inside the glove, heavy has arachnaphobia so he enters a state of panic and runs faster, but the spiders are venomous so he loses health)*
      Killing gloves of boxing slow attack speed
      (The gloves are heavy)

    • @hoonterofhoonters6588
      @hoonterofhoonters6588 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Heavy's bones are so hard that his bare knuckles are considered a destructive device.

    • @Manglet762
      @Manglet762 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Probably the same spectrum of logic where they looked at the biggest guy you can play as, and made him deal as much base melee damage as most classes.

    • @duncanchillake8024
      @duncanchillake8024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Manglet762 all the other classes have a weapon, of course fists won't deal more damage than a pickaxe or a glass bottle, you have to be as strong as saxton hale for that

  • @Labyrinth6000
    @Labyrinth6000 ปีที่แล้ว +1278

    It’s like there’s a grudge against heavy’s weapons when the jungle infernal update happened

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue ปีที่แล้ว +165

      Like they were trying to compensate for the kickassery of the Banana.

    • @supernovaitup
      @supernovaitup ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Very on-theme since Heavy lost the Meat your Match contest

    • @ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45
      @ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @FizzleDrunk And yet the Banana is better than most of Pyro's new unlocks. (Looking at you, Gas Passer.)

    • @4mid1
      @4mid1 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      exactly, heavy really only has 7 seriously good unlocks (tomislav, natascha, sandvich, banana, GRU, fists of steel) but sadly a lot of heavy's weapon were bad from the start

    • @andrewwojtas8486
      @andrewwojtas8486 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@4mid1 I mean the brass beast is still a decent option for becoming a sentry

  • @iji_omu
    @iji_omu ปีที่แล้ว +454

    4:04 that poor medic having to lift the entirity of heavy's weigh on his head

    • @ckinggaming5bucketmadness766
      @ckinggaming5bucketmadness766 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Uber just saved that medic

    • @chrisbagley7034
      @chrisbagley7034 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Goomba.

    • @Thetoucanman918
      @Thetoucanman918 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Or you’re gonna turn into a goomba!

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unless your wearing mantreads landIng on top of enemy does nothing outside of being platform at top and blockade at sides or bottom.
      And Mantreads arent really that practical for goomba stomping

    • @ckinggaming5bucketmadness766
      @ckinggaming5bucketmadness766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KL53986 shut the up

  • @jollygrapefruit786
    @jollygrapefruit786 ปีที่แล้ว +934

    They must be like a novelty item Heavy bought at a gas station that are made of rubber. Either that or heavies fists are so strong that putting spikes on his knuckles actually nerfs his punches.

    • @landchannel7688
      @landchannel7688 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      Yeah, increasing Heavy's strength causes integer overflow on valve's servers, so damage actually decreases

    • @OlrikMeister
      @OlrikMeister ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I believe that heavy pulls his punches back and only hits the enemy with the spikes and not the whole knuckle

    • @NeutralDrow
      @NeutralDrow ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@OlrikMeister Had a similar idea, myself. The Heavy is so tremendously overconfident in the knuckles that he attacks too quickly to put any actual strength into the punches.

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I wonder if the tips of the brass knuckles are very first thing to come and the game somehow ignores that Heavy is also using fist to punch you.
      Does that mean Heavy is scratching his enemies rather than giving KOs?

    • @seronymus
      @seronymus ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@NeutralDrow nice nasuverse avatar

  • @turfyapple2278
    @turfyapple2278 ปีที่แล้ว +591

    That goomba stomp on the Uber'd medic got a chuckle out of me

    • @maestrofeli4259
      @maestrofeli4259 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      _"I'm coming for you"_ -Mike tyson

    • @drivanradosivic1357
      @drivanradosivic1357 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      IMO, Heavy shoudl ahve the Gooba stomp ability of the Mantreads as well as a Counterstrike like movement passive Core Class feature I call Rushing Slav. that allows for 15% more speed when you switch from you main damage dealer aka the miniguns to your other slots, but it also means your other slots are a good base speed for when you need to move and it would stack with the speed boosters. that would make things better for the Heavy in my honest opinion.

    • @tifiyn640
      @tifiyn640 ปีที่แล้ว

      j

  • @crackersandpie136
    @crackersandpie136 ปีที่แล้ว +362

    The Eviction Notice got the Step-sibling treatment when the GRU got balanced.

    • @Manglet762
      @Manglet762 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That implies the Eviction Notice is popular.

    • @larsthememelord3383
      @larsthememelord3383 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      what are you doing step-glove

    • @TheNorfAndOnly
      @TheNorfAndOnly ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is rather funny that two of the most unnecessary Heavy needs came from Valve lumping an inferior weapon with the weapon that *actually needed the nerf.*
      The Brass Beast got its damage resistance while spun-up nerfed because of the Natascha, and the Eviction Notice got its survivability nerfed because of the GRU.

  • @reagansido5823
    @reagansido5823 ปีที่แล้ว +637

    absolutely no one:
    Valve: we hear you. we'll nerf the Eviction Notice.

    • @davisdf3064
      @davisdf3064 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Not a single soul:
      Valve: agreed, we need to make the Enforcer useless

    • @Underworlder5
      @Underworlder5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@davisdf3064 new enforcer stats: +10% damage when cloaked. +50% cloak drain rate. no critical hits

    • @davidhong1934
      @davidhong1934 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      *Community:* Okay, but at least keep the--
      *Valve:* Already on it, we made the Righteous Bison slightly worse

    • @BlixerYoshiMiiometryDash
      @BlixerYoshiMiiometryDash ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also Valve: Nerfed GRU
      (From Zesty Jesus' tier list)

  • @silikerYT
    @silikerYT ปีที่แล้ว +194

    I used to LOVE the eviction notice when it was just -damage +attack speed, I took a break for about 3 years, and came back to this...

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it wasnt -damage +attack speed
      it was -damage -durability +attack speed +speed

    • @muddashucka9743
      @muddashucka9743 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 no, when the weapon was first released it had a +40% faster firing speed with a -60% damage penalty to compensate. The speed boost only came later.

    • @shaynehughes6645
      @shaynehughes6645 ปีที่แล้ว

      The only scout weapon I liked before my break was the sandman. Good times.

    • @Fatsaver
      @Fatsaver ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@muddashucka9743 It was +50% speed actually. Yeah even that got nerfed.

  • @labrat_09
    @labrat_09 ปีที่แล้ว +469

    Unlike the warrior’s spirit or anything in its set, this has synergy with the tommyslav and family business

    • @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
      @GlamStacheessnostalgialounge ปีที่แล้ว +104

      Huh, even makes aesthetic sense. Fits the whole mobster theme really well.

    • @labrat_09
      @labrat_09 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge yep

    • @dragonguy556
      @dragonguy556 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@labrat_09 BEEN SPENDING MOST OUR LIVES LIVING IN A GANGSTERS PARADISE!

    • @randomduder6692
      @randomduder6692 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dragonguy556 SONIC IS A GANGSTER.....wOw

    • @Unkle_Genny
      @Unkle_Genny ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge All three were added in the same update as part of a mobster-style set. Them, plus The Capo’s Capper, are part of the “Black Market Business” item set

  • @howardatlas4543
    @howardatlas4543 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    "Evict the enemies from this mortal coil" is such a great ending line. Nice video too. Definitely gonna try it out next time I get the urge to fat scout

    • @stop8388
      @stop8388 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’ve tried it, feel free to try it yourself, but in most cases the GRU will outperform the EN. It’s depressing, I love the heavy hot hand, but god the gru just does it better

    • @eyitsaperson
      @eyitsaperson ปีที่แล้ว +6

      scout eviction in 7 seconds

  • @alexxx4434
    @alexxx4434 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    I swear, the reason we have the sniper so imbalanced is that there must have been a sniper mole on the dev team that influenced balance in his favor.

    • @teetree6661
      @teetree6661 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      I remember Uncle Dane said that when he and a few other creators were invited to Valve HQ for lunch with the TF Team a few years ago that one dev seriously said that if they were to remove any class from the game outright that it would be Sniper. Sucks Valve's internal hierarchal politics prevents anyone from working on the game.

    • @zagreus3347
      @zagreus3347 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Sniper is powerfull but what makes him op is the maps and skill of the sniper

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@teetree6661 it's not politics, just devs not wanting to work on it.

    • @msi_i_chad3061
      @msi_i_chad3061 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@vyor8837 While yes, they can choose to work on it or not. the higherups in valve will discourage it through reputation and possibly paychecks

    • @hardlyanydiggity3953
      @hardlyanydiggity3953 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@vyor8837 yeah
      and also not getting paid/getting fired for it :\

  • @tides8464
    @tides8464 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    I would love to see the eviction notice take a more criminal-esque root, maybe making it take stuff from the enemies like ammo, forcing enemies into melee fights.

    • @sirchris6047
      @sirchris6047 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Too fun for tf2

    • @ramhevelio1802
      @ramhevelio1802 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      "Forcing enemies into melee fights"
      Fist of Steel kind of nudged that idea already

    • @bobberman4641
      @bobberman4641 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      How about knockback since it is the *eviction* notice

    • @davisdf3064
      @davisdf3064 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      How about making it actually deal damage, those are _spiked brass knuckles_ for fish's sake

    • @ToxicBastard
      @ToxicBastard ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@davisdf3064 It should do bleed at least, plus full dmg, maybe make it slower to balance.

  • @tekaname4188
    @tekaname4188 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I honestly think bleed on hit would complement the Eviction Notice as well. With bleed being one of the few DOT's that stack it could compliment the fast swing speed, while also still being a good option with a shotgun, because it get enemies to damage thresholds more reliably.

    • @bigsweatyboy1
      @bigsweatyboy1 ปีที่แล้ว

      *buffalo steak and Eviction Notice*

    • @Underworlder5
      @Underworlder5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the eviction notice itself is also spiked, so it could logically make sense. the boston basher and southern hospitality also have spikes to explain the bleed effect. not sure about the shiv

    • @tekaname4188
      @tekaname4188 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Underworlder5 I think the lore is that the shiv is made out of wood that induces bleeding

    • @neferacronia6798
      @neferacronia6798 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tekaname4188 The shiv has a serrated edge on the broad side of it.

    • @thelastmlg2699
      @thelastmlg2699 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bleed doesn't stack with the same weapon from you, you need a secondary that causes bleed or other heavy with it to stack

  • @bulborb8756
    @bulborb8756 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    it makes you wonder why Heavy seems to get stuck with such underwhelming weapons...

    • @DaddyDellConagher
      @DaddyDellConagher ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Maybe the heavy update coming in 2050 will help fix this problem

    • @duncanchillake8024
      @duncanchillake8024 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Brass beast, huo long heater, warrior's spirit, buffalo steak sandwich and now eviction notice, heavy is competing with scout for the biggest number of bad weapons

    • @turkishjanitor3666
      @turkishjanitor3666 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@duncanchillake8024 the thing with these two classes is that one half of their kits is shit, while the other is so good you'd get yelled at for not using them

    • @4mid1
      @4mid1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      probably some of the worst unlocks for one class in the game, every class has better weapon choices

    • @bulborb8756
      @bulborb8756 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@4mid1 especially for such an iconic character of TF2 as Heavy

  • @souptime23
    @souptime23 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    I love the Ed Edd n Eddy bit at the beginning, I can already tell this is gonna be a great video as usual :)

    • @stitchfinger7678
      @stitchfinger7678 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Anyone that references EE&E is automatically cool

    • @JeckTheMan
      @JeckTheMan ปีที่แล้ว +8

      What if there was a mod like that on gamebannana

    • @MechWarrior894
      @MechWarrior894 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It put the biggest smile on my face.

  • @RSP13
    @RSP13 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    4:03 The level of disrespect to that ubered combo is over 9000.

  • @CyberXIII
    @CyberXIII ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Honestly I can't see a single reason why Heavy's melees in general should have a damage penalty. Considering how powerful his minigun is at close range there's barely any reason to use them offensively to begin with. If anything Heavy's melee should all do at least 85 damage a swing!

    • @PakistaniGoatMilker94
      @PakistaniGoatMilker94 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly if anybody is dumb enough to get that close to a heavy with his fists out they deserve to get sent back to spawn boxer heavy could be a really funny class if the steak wasn’t so bad and the eviction notice and warriors spirit actually were good and it would still leave the current meta for heavy melee untouched with gru and fists of steel always being better if your actually using your gun

  • @rubiconprime1429
    @rubiconprime1429 ปีที่แล้ว +260

    Valve: heavy should have no movement abilities to balance out his high hp and damage.
    Also Valve: let’s give the class with the second highest hp and damage the highest mobility in the game lol.

    • @MattNotFat
      @MattNotFat ปีที่แล้ว +64

      It's some bullshit to do with comp. I hate the changes made specifically for comp.

    • @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054
      @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Also Demoknight.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I mean... Soldier takes damage each time they use their mobility options... So why shouldn't heavy?

    • @rettwat
      @rettwat ปีที่แล้ว +27

      excuse you but you do know that they never said that he cant have movement, and soldier requires self damage and hundreds of hours to even use the mobility to its full extent, thats why the eviction notice and the gru have hp drain now and they just take pressing 3 and knowing when to put them away. Also it had nothing to do with comp since most of soldiers mobility and gunboats were given long before tf2 was balanced for comp.

    • @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054
      @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@vyor8837 *looks at the Rocket Jumper*
      He sure does.

  • @ShovelLettuce
    @ShovelLettuce ปีที่แล้ว +20

    5:49 The math is so complicated that just doing it will cause you and your house to explode, hence the warning

  • @elielc.8459
    @elielc.8459 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    11:38 you can feel the absolute panic of that soldier

  • @miloszpoblocki799
    @miloszpoblocki799 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    10:28 14:34
    FishStick once again returned to prove us that Heavy counters Sniper. God bless.

  • @dernamenlosefan
    @dernamenlosefan ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Best part of the eviction notice to me is how I once had a guy on the server get one just to get literally evicted from the server (removed by system)

  • @justsaynonotnowihaveyoutub6739
    @justsaynonotnowihaveyoutub6739 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "Uhhh we need a new weapon for heavy"
    "Well how about we make some brass Knuckles that have the damage of a pillow but you get sped boost"
    " *sounds good to me* "

  • @joaogomes9405
    @joaogomes9405 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This weapon wouldn't have a 20 hp penalty on draw if heavy didn't insist on punching his palm with it every single time just to prove how tough he is

  • @CyrogenicNation
    @CyrogenicNation ปีที่แล้ว +13

    15:45 the Eviction Notice was banned for a couple of seasons on UGC 6s after its change into GRU-lite. One might argue that this was a necessary temporary ban to see how the nerf affected gameplay, but on the other hand Valve might've considered that not nerfing the EN on the same update where they nerfed GRU a couple years later would make it a better option than the GRU for mobility, and thus problematic in 6s. It's all theoretical, of course, since we never saw the original GRU-lite Eviction Notice together with the health drain GRU, but I somewhat see the reasoning behind the nerf.

  • @a.nonymous5004
    @a.nonymous5004 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I don't know why the TF2 team was so determined to make this thing a budget GRU

  • @rasecmataotaku3327
    @rasecmataotaku3327 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This series will continue until all weapons in the game are classified as Bad Weapon.

  • @bindstf2
    @bindstf2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    With most bad weapon reviews I see on youtube, they're mostly just a compilation of people being pissy about valve's balance, or their "competitive oriented approach" (despite them being terrible at it for both competitive and casual, your video on the subject explains it well), but I really appreciate the quality of these videos. The way you properly explore all the weapon's possibilities, while accurately pointing out its flaws is something I don't see many other people do as well as you do.

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Tf2 is mess today but was gold in its glory days.
      And yes basing balance around competitive is not exactly best. Like seriously i still dont get why people overrate this weapon while the majority tells them rightfully its dump.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KL53986 Balancing things around competitive, highlander esp, is actually a good idea.
      If the devs are competent at balance.
      Which Valve is not.

    • @darkcat6530
      @darkcat6530 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vyor8837 balancing around comp would cause stuff like quick fix to get nerfed to the ground

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@darkcat6530 quick fix isn't even banned in 6s or highlander though? It's trash compared to Stock and Kritz.

    • @darkcat6530
      @darkcat6530 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vyor8837 it was for a moment i'm pretty sure

  • @adul00
    @adul00 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That one-hit from Market Garden soldier at 6:20 was just precious.

  • @schweppley1614
    @schweppley1614 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    It’s the fists of discipline, do you live in a 24/7 2fort server!?!?

    • @stitchfinger7678
      @stitchfinger7678 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your references are sick bro, everyone knows that.

  • @CeLeb144
    @CeLeb144 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    TF2 with Ed Edd n Eddy sound effects is something I didn't know I needed this much.

  • @Xesh
    @Xesh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i gotta give you this just for that first 25 seconds, incredible my man

  • @JacobTheLoofah
    @JacobTheLoofah ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I honestly loved this weapon before the nerf, the chance for more frequent crit damage was nice and it also was just fun to punch fast. Then they took it out back and told it to think about the rabbits.

  • @serketenglish5963
    @serketenglish5963 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Aww man.. This idea's probably been had a million times, but a Primary for Heavy that buffs Fat Scout would be so cool.
    The Tactical Armor - Make it look like Classic Heavy's gear. Increased move speed, HP regen, damage resistance, secondary ammo, what have you.

    • @calsalitra4689
      @calsalitra4689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly, just giving Heavy access to Lunchbox items in his primary would be all the Fat Scout needs. Fat Scout has perfectly serviceable damage and significantly better responsiveness, that when mixed with his mountain of HP makes him nearly impossible to kill in 1v1 and a solid contender in certain 2v1's, while still retaining enough mobility to avoid damage and force fights you know your opponent can't win. This makes Fat Scout great at operating solo, while regular Heavy outperforms him in a team that can cover him while he gets ready. The only real flaw is a lack of sustainability forcing Fat Scout to waddle his way to health kits after every fight, forcing him into excessive downtime that wouldn't be a problem if he had access to his lunchbox.

    • @thefirstprimariscatosicari6870
      @thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@calsalitra4689 It would also open the way for a Dispenser playstile. A heavy with nothing but lunchboxes and the GRU.

  • @clover5172
    @clover5172 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well, guess ehat, in VSH, the eviction notice is most likely if not the best melee in that gamemode that heavy has, so thats where the evicition notice shines the brightest

  • @Spubbily01
    @Spubbily01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:07 That sound affect is what W+m1ing pyros sound like in my head

  • @anthonyoliver418
    @anthonyoliver418 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There are a few situations the eviction notice shines in, finishing off low health enemies, or chasing down a cloaked spy, something heavy can struggle with if he only uses his minigun

  • @Brown95P
    @Brown95P ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Honestly, the slower health regen after putting away the Eviction Notice isn't even that bad.
    Sure, it could be iffy with a minigun if you only have 200 HP on contact instead of the usual 300... but 200 HP and rising with a shotgun, especially when you managed to close the gap? That's absolutely nothing to scoff at.
    It's definitely a melee that pairs better with a shotgun-centric heavy though, to be sure.

  • @t_babe
    @t_babe ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I’d love to see you cover The Sandman next. I use that shit all the time and wanna see how you think it can be best utilized

    • @turkishjanitor3666
      @turkishjanitor3666 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He mentioned once that Sandman is at its best when it's used for bullying a Demoknight. In theory, that is.

    • @4mid1
      @4mid1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      valve literally took the stun away, they made a worse weapon with no new mechanic the slowness was part of the stun now it's useless half the classes and somewhat good on other scouts and pyros

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      they rightfully nerfed the stun, but then removed the cleaver combo, when it wasnt even problematic anymore

    • @ZorotheGallade
      @ZorotheGallade ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually used it in vsh for a while remembering that it used to reduce Hale's rage on hit.
      For months.
      Until I realized it didn't anymore.

    • @vivelespatat2670
      @vivelespatat2670 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZorotheGallade considering Scout die in 1 hit regardless of the Overheal, the Sandman is unironically the best option since the slow applied to the boss is enough for every class but a Heavy to outrun him, albeit only for a few seconds

  • @StitchPen
    @StitchPen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Mönkey editing at the beginning put me into a sensory overload induced stroke.

  • @spikrib
    @spikrib ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The gen 3 Pokémon music made me smile the biggest out of all these videos. The surfing theme always brings back memories

  • @UsingGorillaLogic
    @UsingGorillaLogic ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel like they really cpuld reduce the damage penalty a lot since it constantly drains your hp while incentivizing going in to fights. The GRU unironically does its gimmick better since it does stock damage.

  • @otamatonefan853
    @otamatonefan853 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fortunately there's a glitch with the chocolate bar that helps outweigh the stupid health drain of the eviction notice:
    Drain your health to 100 or near, use chocolate bar, and the bar will actually heal you up to a maximum of near or exactly the amount of health you SHOULD have (350), via overheal health, and yes, as long as you stay on the eviction notice and keep the chocolate bar's +50 max health active, you can keep this overheal health from draining.
    I loved using eviction notice because it's faster attack speed makes crits more often, so average DPS is higher than it might look because of more frequent crits.
    Plus, the weapon was basically playing as a slightly less damage (and varyingly slower) but much more health scout. It was dumb, it was a neat chase-down weapon if meleeing and getting the first hit, and originally it was a good berserker weapon with the steak for even more speed to chase people and punch their faces in.
    I agree though, remove the health drain. The weapon wasn't the best or worst but was kinda at the middle, needed constant hitting but gave heavies a speedy fisticuff option that was dumb but had it's own strengths and weaknesses.

    • @CureX.
      @CureX. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are the first person i have ever seen who knows about this

  • @tezcanaslan2877
    @tezcanaslan2877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:21 fish takes advantage of random crits im shaking and crying

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can someone explain to me why a pair of brass knuckles deal less damage than just Heavy’s fists?

    • @thetrophygamer3606
      @thetrophygamer3606 ปีที่แล้ว

      Value balance that’s why

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 ปีที่แล้ว

      for balance
      you make me mad, why are you looking for logic, in tf2

    • @maestrofeli4259
      @maestrofeli4259 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 While it's true that the TF2 universe is pretty devoid of logic, I don't think this guy's logic should make you mad. It's understandable to assume that a weapon's design has some tie-in with it's stats. But no, not in tf2 lol

  • @berkshire4607
    @berkshire4607 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Finally. It's been a while since the last BAD WEAPON ACADEMIA

  • @MelancholyAstronaut
    @MelancholyAstronaut ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The start of the video felt like a fever dream. I love it 10/10

  • @danielsans-wb5tp
    @danielsans-wb5tp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    fact:eviction notice still swings slower than scout melees.

  • @thegamerator10
    @thegamerator10 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It'd be interesting if the Eviction Notice got a mechanic where Medics (Dispensers not included) could help you reach your base maximum health easier to offset the slower base health regen speed (your maximum overheal would still be 450; it's basically treating your lowered base health like you were injured). It would also give Heavy an additional supportive role in helping Medics build Uber, like the Boston Basher or the Half-Zatoichi.

  • @supremecalamitas342
    @supremecalamitas342 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be cool if it gave you like 10 seconds of speed, 10 seconds of 1 regen a second, and 10 seconds of 10% damage resistance

  • @theBCEproductions
    @theBCEproductions ปีที่แล้ว +3

    TF2 balancing always has the most badass and sinister looking weapons doing damage equivalent to a wet noodle.

  • @Sleepy_Cabbage
    @Sleepy_Cabbage ปีที่แล้ว +2

    idea: Brass knuckles gains a attack speed boost the longer you hold the attack, but similar to minigun rev, it needs to unrev to switch out

  • @auraguard0212
    @auraguard0212 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Guys, guys, how do we stop everyone using the GRU?"
    "...How about we make a worse version of the GRU?"
    "Genius! You get a promotion!"
    "Sir, I'm just a potted plant."

  • @dreamingclouddreams2981
    @dreamingclouddreams2981 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These look really cool, shame GRU is basically a straight upgrade in terms of utility.

  • @KDover05
    @KDover05 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Judging by the spikes on the eviction notice, I believe they should cause some bleed damage on hit

    • @Kryogenix2
      @Kryogenix2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it really as spikey as the other bleed weapons though?

    • @MegaKH2fan
      @MegaKH2fan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kryogenix2 i think that'll just get you lost in the weeds using that logic.
      If that's the case, why does a Christmas Ornament cause bleed, but a fire axe doesn't?

    • @Kryogenix2
      @Kryogenix2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MegaKH2fan I mean for the Christmas ornament wouldn't you bleed if a glass ball shattered against your skin after being thrown at the same speed as a baseball?

    • @Kryogenix2
      @Kryogenix2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MegaKH2fan and it isn't necessarily the barbed wire on the axtinguisher that's hitting them

  • @nimbus7727
    @nimbus7727 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man, I LOVE ORAS’s OST. Such a banger, and it’s a pleasure to hear it as background music in the video.

  • @ansondelgado5785
    @ansondelgado5785 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude… I was using the eviction notice for the best purpose the entire time?! I found it effective when doing the shotgun contract and just kept using it for fat scout.

  • @elvispretzel9331
    @elvispretzel9331 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think itd be fun if it regened 50 max health on hit, and takes a second to start boosting speed instead of taking off 20hp. If these two changes were added i think they would be not only usable but honestly very fun

  • @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054
    @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I never understood why Demoman gets so many buffs to his melee and mobility, and Soldier gets without a doubt the single best mobility tool in the game, but Heavy can't ever have either.

    • @Kryogenix2
      @Kryogenix2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Balance reasons?

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably because Heavy is a defensive specialist soldier and demo are generalists so don’t massively slow down the game like a well played heavy can
      Now the best option is give heavy a subclass based primary that isn’t a mini gun since you reduce his sustained damage for increased mobility and this it’s harder to be as defensive
      They gave demoman a shield why not let heavy get a primary that isn’t just tweaking the stock

    • @duncanchillake8024
      @duncanchillake8024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Demoman sucks at melee, he is completely vulnerable to getting rushed down, he is a strictly mid range class, that's why he has all these melee options
      Soldier is actually very slow, his only means of mobility is either self damage or sacrificing his only good source of damage, holding out the escape plan makes you take mini crit damage, concheror lasts like 12 seconds and requires you to deal 500 damage, the whip requires there to be a teammate near you
      Heavy has the highest health in the game and the highest damage at close range, a 300 health class being able to rush you down at pyro speed would be horrifying, so obviously a fast heavy needs debuffs to his health or damage

    • @Worldpeacekid
      @Worldpeacekid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The main thing with Heavy getting mobility buffs is that with how tanky he can be and how powerful his minigun is on top of being hitscan instead of projectile-based, Heavy as a class is balanced around his lack of mobility; make him more mobile and suddenly we're introducing a whole host of potential balance issues unless you have this mobility tool either sacrifice like 100 health or take the minigun's slot, but then you're basically just making so the only Heavies getting any use out of that weapon are Fat Scouts.
      As for melee...why would a Heavy want to punch people when he can just shred them with his minigun point-blank? That's kinda why the GRU has become the dominant melee; it provides utility in being quicker to get to the front lines of battle. Unless you make a melee that's ludicrously powerful, you're just not going to convince people that using your melee when you have ammo is a good idea anywhere outside of DeGroot Keep.

    • @KL53986
      @KL53986 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you forget who heavy is?
      Heavy cant have mobility, he has high health and can outdamage anyone at close range.
      This is exactly why Heavy has worst vertical mobility because he is slow on land.

  • @elemangell2981
    @elemangell2981 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wanted to say good use of music with this one. The song choices were great and it was timed to the sections of the video very smoothly.

  • @KimFareseed
    @KimFareseed ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh I love the audio at the start.
    Brought back so many memories.

  • @adversarry
    @adversarry ปีที่แล้ว +5

    👍

  • @cfroi08
    @cfroi08 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Eviction Notice is the perfect example of Valve trying too hard to make the game 'competitive'. They barely changed the white list for community competitive and nerfed everything.

  • @e.schroeder474
    @e.schroeder474 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for the ed edd n eddy sfx in the intro, loved the nostalgia.

  • @megatronman2783
    @megatronman2783 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is adorable! It’s currently 12:38 AM at night for me, I’m tired, and I’m going to go to bed with this, thank you😴☁

  • @YoMateo.
    @YoMateo. ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen

    • @Nibbenji2077
      @Nibbenji2077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there's pipebomb in your mailbox

  • @YellowScar2014
    @YellowScar2014 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just had an idea for the Eviction Notice: Make it a hybrid between the RGB and KGB, with both speed *and* crits on kill. With the drawback being that it's less speed and only minicrits.

  • @finalflash1359
    @finalflash1359 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FINALLY I LOVE THE DESIGNS OF THIS WEAPON THANK YOU FOR FINALLY COVERING IT

  • @MochicoArtemis
    @MochicoArtemis ปีที่แล้ว +2

    how I'd rebalance the Eviction Notice:
    • replace the HP drain with a 15% damage vulnerability
    • give the Eviction Notice a 50% damage penalty, instead of a 60% damage penalty

  • @indigowendigo774
    @indigowendigo774 ปีที่แล้ว

    was watching the back scatter episode whilst buying a pro back scatter kit before this came out.
    great timing fish, love your vids

  • @jaimelkor8054
    @jaimelkor8054 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use the eviction notice, the panic attack, and the tomislav because you can switch so quickly it can throw people off to have a heavy moving slightly faster then they expect while being revved up and doing damage.

  • @WooHooLadttv
    @WooHooLadttv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    maybe they should make it a stacking item, would fit the punch fast kinda thing, no idea how they could do it though but that would be pretty fun to just zoom around
    Like 4 punches and you zoom making it only good in sustained combat.

  • @robro2214
    @robro2214 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do not know how but you have managed to breath new life into a long forgotten weapon for me

  • @hughshax5903
    @hughshax5903 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:51 what little kids feel like when they rapid slap each other over a cookie

  • @user-uv9bg3qu3n
    @user-uv9bg3qu3n 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Heavy's bare fists: Devastating Damage
    Heavy's bare fists with the addition of sharp metal spikes: -60% damage

  • @tacoconut282
    @tacoconut282 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is why I like your channel you’re trying to make bad weapons to good by telling fun but good technique keep up the amazing work

    • @thetrophygamer3606
      @thetrophygamer3606 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Unless it’s the back scatter. Not much to help that one

    • @tacoconut282
      @tacoconut282 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thetrophygamer3606 true lol

  • @SageDarkwind
    @SageDarkwind ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heavy: "That's my horse!"

  • @howhestand
    @howhestand ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that was the best intro ive ever witnessed

  • @incompetence7012
    @incompetence7012 ปีที่แล้ว

    even after i stopped playing tf2 i still stick around to watch your channel. keep up the good work man.

  • @Geebanger0
    @Geebanger0 ปีที่แล้ว

    Almost at 100k mate, nice work

  • @HammMann
    @HammMann ปีที่แล้ว +1

    even as a buffalo steak enthusiast, i question the eviction notice's existence.

  • @StickMaster500
    @StickMaster500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Literally all they need to do is revert it back before Jungle Inferno and it would be infinitely better than it currently is

    • @Minecrafter906
      @Minecrafter906 ปีที่แล้ว

      This can be applied to like half of the changes that update brought.

  • @ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45
    @ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. A video about the Eviction Notice, and not a single JoJo's Bizarre Adventure reference. I'm impressed!

  • @hamzaahmed652
    @hamzaahmed652 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fish please do a series on weapon synergy in the sense of teamwork
    I haven't seen enough people talk about how team matches are heavily affected by 2 players of the same class working in tandem
    Eg 2 banner solders (Battalions backup and buff banner) are terrifying especially when paired with direct hit

  • @cardboardcrafter2482
    @cardboardcrafter2482 ปีที่แล้ว

    11:50 The editing here is amazing.

  • @reubentherblazer9756
    @reubentherblazer9756 ปีที่แล้ว

    That intro is one of the most glorious things I've ever seen on the internet.

  • @simonnachreiner8380
    @simonnachreiner8380 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One small advantage I’d give to the eviction notice.
    Uber building via self damage. The GRU lowers your max health instead of actual damage so overheal is still the same and Uber charge is slowed. By rapidly equipping the notice you can take a load of self damage and keep the charge flowing Ala the Boston basher.

  • @Kc-iguess
    @Kc-iguess ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no cap, ur channel might have gotten me into tf2 again might start grinding hours

  • @THE1TRAVELER
    @THE1TRAVELER ปีที่แล้ว

    IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR FOREVER
    THANK YOU

  • @getsu0
    @getsu0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yeh people don't seem to realize that the fish cake/dalokohs instantly restore your hp to not only 300 but 350 by the time you've finished eating it. you get to the front lines quicker, and then spend a little time getting 50 extra health right before fighting. I use bread bite exclusively on heavy and i swap between fishcake and sandvich about equally, and i feel like fishcake is definitely on par w/ the sandvich, even in highlander. the faster recharge is also a thing, and there's usually a health pack right at your destination when rolling out, so you usually just end up getting there quicker, getting 50 max health, and picking up a health pack to carry over to your teammates who are already fighting.

  • @ZorotheGallade
    @ZorotheGallade ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Valve seems to have a deep rooted hatred of Heavy's melees.

  • @_AtwJEFF
    @_AtwJEFF 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    0:00 "I lost the audio file so i had to make the audio by hand" the audio after editing:

  • @theguywhoasked2520
    @theguywhoasked2520 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nothing like some good 'ol Ed Edd 'n Eddy audio clips too start off a video

  • @the_cat9568
    @the_cat9568 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did I not get recommended this for 2 weeks?!

  • @foxygameur_4547
    @foxygameur_4547 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really hope this wearpon is gonna be viable in the future I love how it looks and that the main idea is to make heavy faster

    • @popularvote3613
      @popularvote3613 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This thing is actually the meta in VSH. Since melee hits deal knockback on Hale and the Eviction Notice swings faster, with careful timing and positioning you can essentially stunlock Hale into a corner.

  • @nothinghere4338
    @nothinghere4338 ปีที่แล้ว

    That intro had the greatest sounds

  • @SgtFunBun
    @SgtFunBun ปีที่แล้ว

    fish there's no way that i installed ed edd and eddy sfx as my hitsound and then you come out with this intro i CANNOT believe it