Certainly yes. Considering the general gameplay engine of Classic Sonic developed on top of Hedgehog Engine isn't very well to feel and control, there's no motive to further include him in future games other than nostalgia. At this point, Classic Sonic feels more like a chore to do than an alternative playstyle. He has to go.
Possibly because of how ill timed a gimmick like this is. Sonic was already going through an identity crisis and has a fanbase known for making remarkably shitty OCs. Not only that, but this gameplay looked incredibly bland... basically Sonic Colors mixed with Sonic Boom without the Boost. This game just feels like a mishmash of various gimmicks and mechanics of past games as though it's Sonic Team's attempt to please every faction of the Sonic Fanbase they can in one game. It just comes off as a unfocused mess with unnecessary features. Classic Sonic and this Xenoverse thing didn't need to be in this game (At least the Xenoverse thing didn't need to be there as a core gameplay asset). He has an entire gallery of other characters with unique abilities that could've made this game a lot more interesting. This game just feels like one big missed opportunity.
That,s what i thought of too and some other people has said the same thing but most of them are being pissed because they still want the classic gameplay and just playing as classic sonic. . there really tired of new things being added to the game because there saying its taking the classic feel away from the game
You don't get to play any species you want. There's a finite selection of them to choose from. *Playable Races:* Hedgehog (obviously), Wolf (the guy in the trailer), Dog, Cat, Bird, Rabbit, Bear
RileyBlackfox I understand your point of view. In a way, you're right about the half-hearted effort from forces compared to mania. Personally, I just want more games made from Sonic Mania's team. The old Sonic Team's kind of lost it's spark.
Yeah, it was kind of cool in Generations as a nice sort of throw back, but adding him to Forces turns awesome novelty into 'just another gimmick'. Guys...classic sonic should have been left a cameo, and cameos work best when they stay...cameos.
Yeah, I'm not feeling Forces either. As you said, Sonic Team seems like they have no idea what to do with Sonic anymore. I'm just kinda tired of Sonic Team trying to find their footing now. It's been nearly 20 years already. I personally won't be buying Forces. Mania seems alright, at least.
What are you, 10 years old? Go back to school, silly child. Small children should not be allowed on the internet without parental supervision. This is grown up discussion. Honestly, I'd be happy if they stopped making Sonic games. There's far better games out there, tbh. SEGA should focus on their non-Sonic IPs, and forget about this dead horse of a series.
gamelordabd Don't listen to those boobs, I agree with what you mean. I still believe the groundwork for a fantastic Sonic game still exists, but Sonic Team and by extension Sega seem to just be messing around instead of making a solid product.
Too old for that? I'm a 29 years old Sonic fan and I'm totally OK with the concept of OC characters. Age isn't a counter-argument to creativity ; I would even argue a grown-up can come with better design than a child or insecure teenager who would basically do "Me the Overpowered" or a non-original Sonic color/genderswap (and I'm talking about general occurences, I'm sure some kids/teens can come up with pretty amazing stuff). I'm sad there's no sheep option in there. Sheep are cool. There's a wolf though. Wolves are cool too.
HitsujiMamoru I agree with you. Sonic fans are 95 percent teens and adults in there 20s to early 30s. Just because Sonic id. Advertised towards kids doesn't mean all Sonic fans are kids.
THANK YOU! I'm 28 years old and I love the concept of Sonic OCs being in the game to allow me to get creative and make cool characters I could see teaming up with Sonic and the gang. Was honestly a bit annoyed by his assumption and it almost felt insulting that apparently you have to be a child to enjoy the OC portion of the game. also as a side note I'm with you on more race options I wanted to play as an Echidna but apparently there's a reason that's not happening. Either way it would have been cool if they had much more animal race options seeing as how they don't differ much with body type, only just the head.
I just wish Sonic Team would stop making Sonic games this point, not because they're bad at it per se, more just because they come across as so jaded. It's especially noticeable in comparison with Mania, a game that you can tell just by looking at is being made by a group of young, talented, passionate developers who just want to make Sonic the best he can be, as opposed to Forces which to me just reeks of Sonic Team half-heartedly trying to do what they think people want, but they have such a cursory understanding of what that is that whatever they come up with will inevitably be a walking chimera of conflicting ideas.
Naxiro Dark The definition of "scared to be unique" is Forces' only classic level so far being Green Hill. Yes, Mania has remixed old levels, but they've also shown several brand new zone themes we've never seen in a Sonic game.
I really enjoy watching your videos. You always seem to know how to get your points and opinions across in a calm, collective manner. I really like that. As for the new feature, I'll mess around with it a bit, but I personally care more about playing as Sonic himself.
I am actually kinda bothered by your tone and overall reaction to this... I am not a big sonic fan, I never had a sonic OC or even went around their web communities or anything, But having a character creator just seems like such a good idea and I would love to make one to play with! Customization of a character is everywhere in gaming now and the sonic style is very appealing, simple and easy to work with so it's perfect for something like this and makes sense perfectly as a GENERAL move on their part, I honestly feel most regular casual fans and just general people will enjoy the feature, as much fun as they might make of it (Me being a casual fan myself). So yeah, your reaction just seems a bit too negative. Especially how you assume this only cathers to a specific and ill-seen part of the community, it feels short sighted on your end. But oh well, your opinion is your own and I respect many of your points regardless.
HAHA. Your wording and delivery of the intro is absolutely sublime. Thanks man. I'm always a sucker for character creation. But in the context of a Sonic game I just can't help but find it extremely funny aswell. As some people said on the previous video, the team surely want to get more mileage out of assets that are flying by in half a second as you boost through the levels. That's fair enough- even if it contributes to the issues you previously discussed- but that said, with the OC serving this purpose and also being a new angle, this leaves classic Sonic doing nothing but pandering to nostalgia; which leaves a more bitter taste with me than before.
I feel like the OC will die at the end of the game. Lmao I wonder if it'll have a super form.. xD also who else is gonna make Bubsy? And will the character be mute? Have a normal voice, but you can change the pitch of it?
ProblemasLAPTOP so that means you can insult their creation? I don't think so... you just jealous you can't create some OCs huh? oh... no worry, I pray you could create one
ProblemasLAPTOP haha... at least someone need to put some respect to someone else creation not like someone that always complaining on stuff like they have the BEST creation in whole world
The level design seems to compliment the gadgets that the 3rd character has. I'm pretty sure HE'S the main guy we play as where Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic fall in line as sort of Act 2s and 3s OR we may have to revisit areas and the Sonic's will have the main focus in the revisits. I think these 3 gameplay styles can work together it looks like it'll be sound so I'm excited. Also just a nitpick but age has nothing to do with appealing to fans with CaC. In fact, the adults are the ones MORE likely to enjoy this because they've played for years and a number of them have wondered "What would my own sonic character look like?" for longer
I enjoyed Lost World personally, I agree on the classic Sonic part, but I somehow have the feeling the OC character is getting a lot of hate not from his gameplay style but more from the fact it's an OC, like, I feel like if it was identical, but instead of being an oc it was Boom Sonic or Shadow, or Silver, or the base red wolf OC, but as his own non customizable character, he'd get less bashed, I don't know if you agree.
bro. im older than you and have never drawn a Sonic OC. this is the first ive heard of character creation in this game and think it sounds exciting. im looking forward to trying it.
As a 22-year-old Sonic fan who started with Sonic 2 on the Genesis I literally screamed when I saw that I get to play as an OC. I think it is absolutely hilarious and my inner self-insert fangirl could not be more excited. Like I am genuinely excited for this and ironically excited for this at the same time. It's very confusing.
I'm the same. Sonic 2 and Gunstar Heroes were my first two games. Granted, I never finished a 2D Sonic because the gameplay didn't keep me interested all the way through, but mixing it in here will keep it fresh for me. Plus, I have what can be considered a fetish for character creation.
Completely agree w all your points. This game isn't made for me either. Sonic Team yet again avoiding the task of solidifying solid Sonic control mechanics and gameplay. They for some reason won't come up with a solution so they pad their games w gimmicks. They should really consider giving the franchise over to the Sonic Utopia team so we'd finally get our true 3D Sonic title.
Enjoy Artwork Absolutely. Sonic Team need some new blood from head to toe. Especially with needing a new director. I'm certain the devs behind Utopia could create an amazing game with a proper budget. They're certainly more talented than the current tired staff we have at Sonic Team.
+Dag Jumah There's no point in people paying money for a game if it doesn't look good to them. You like Forces? Great! Go play it. Don't mind us. But us older fans seem to be frequently ignored or misunderstood when it comes to the 3D games, so we're just getting tired of it. I'm not gonna waste money on this. I have a huge backlog of other games to play, anyway.
Well personally I'm excited, and this feature made me actually interested in purchasing the Switch and this game. I merely hope in the future we get rid of Classic Sonic / Modern Sonic crossovers for good. It's never fun if you're only gonna give us 50/50 of one thing. Classic Sonic belongs in another format, and should not be misused so easily. In terms of the customisation gimmick, maybe next time we'll only have Modern Sonic and the OC. Or maybe choose your favourite Sonic Hero out of a multitude and build your teams. Or just a solid Modern Sonic game, period. Regardless, I'm excited for this game, and this feature gave me more hope towards the future. If they're gonna listen to one section of their target audience, then they might also listen to other sections of their audience.
To be fair while I do agree that it seems they're trying to still learn what modern Sonic is, I think these customisation elements are potentially them experimenting on expanding the Sonic movepool so that if they're successful with this OC they will more than likely be translated into Sonics set. It's much easier to experiment with an OC rather than tack this set on Sonic and risk pissing fans off by fucking it up.
As a 36 yr old sonic fan I have no problems with nostalgia but I also believe change is essential for both old and new fans of the series, sonic generations was awesome for combining both old and new but for them to do again and expect it to have the same effect is very ignorant on the devs part especially when you already have a separate game which features the classic sonic, so what they should have done was keep it fully modern to let the playstyle really shine thru.
Dude, I'm 29 years old and I'm still hyped for this game. Physical age doesn't mean shit when it comes to entertainment. If the story and game play are compelling enough, anybody can enjoy it. But let's be honest, I'm going to watch some Let's Plays before trying to pick up this game. As for how the game works, IGN seems to suggest that you start off playing as your character because Sonic has mysteriously disappeared. Eggman has conquered the world in his absence, so your hero takes up the fight and eventually tracks Sonic down.
I still just want sonic adventure 3 with an actual refined gameplay style, like imagine if the other two adventure games were really polished and clean as opposed to clunky and awkward. They did something right with those games because I still like them despite their overall quality.
I was seriously confused when I saw Classic Sonic in Sonic Forces just after they announced Sonic Mania. I feel as if Sonic Forces is mainly a fanservice game. They took elements from the modern games which were the most appreciated then mashed them together and now you can even play as your own character in this mish-mash best-of Sonic game. I will probably have a lot of fun with this game, they seems to care more about releasing solid and finished product nowadays. I will also have fun trying to create characters from the comic books. But still, I'm quite disappointed with the route they are taking so far.
I'm a Sonic Fan. I'm looking forward to Sonic Forces. I want to see for myself how the game plays out. I grew up with my first real introduction to Sonic being Sonic Adventure Battle, and my second exposure being the Sonic Advance line of games. So I hold great love of Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic. WHat I am not looking forward to is the inevitable edgelord OC crack shipping that will undoubtably follow. Looking forward to experimenting with character creation, though. Bring on the Mighty.
Make a game based around the theme of what sonic was originally about in Sonic SATM. It was Dark with a 'little' humor here and there, winning was not always possible for them but at the end of the day they got something done to stop or thwart Robotnik's plans to ruin and destroy the environment/planet. That being said... this looks to be finally taking a step in that direction.
i guess we need an adventure style game boosting is just dumb :/ classic is cool but yeah nostalgia cant keep him alive... adventure games were really defined and good and i think in this point of view 06 and heroes were good tries as well they were challenging and not just go through the levels with enormous speed without memorizing any levels
I'm sure it won't happen but I wouldn't be all that mad if this game somehow "kills off" both Sonics at the end. Then this new play style of our OC becomes how all the new modern Sonic games play! I really wouldn't mind if every sonic game from here on out required us to make a character with only cameos from everyone else. That way the sonic team could focus on one play style for the next decade or so. It would also help them when trying to tackle the world of multiplayer that's so dominant these days
I kind of wish we'd get more info though on the character creator. From what I've seen so far, and haven't seen to put this fear to rest, is that the character creator is merely going to be yet another gimic feature, and that Sega is not going to turn it into something fully realized. Which, honestly...boggles me. I have played Phantasy Star Online 2, which has a great customization system, and does a lot of things right, despite even becoming a free to play eventually. So I know Sega is capable of these things, then why is it that it feels this is going to be yet another thing they do half assed? Is it just a difference between the teams that work on those games, or is it that Sega just really is not as interested in giving the same amount of care to one of thier most beloved and well known mascots?
What would Nintendo do if they owned Sonic? I always ask myself this question for every game genre I come across. Nintendo always care about the gameplay, and if they don't see it as fun, or engaging, they will change it. For example, Mario 64, they didn't make the game right away. They stopped and thought of ways to make the game funner to play, by a simple task of following a bunny. I would imagine something similar with Sonic, but I can't think of anything Nintendo would do to redefine him.
I feel like Mania is going to please Sonic Fans who love the core of Sonic, while Forces please the fans that care about the surface. There is literally a thing called the Sonic Cycle on the internet, and Forces seems to follow that formula in terms of its hype, while Mania is like an anomoly of the Cycle. Forces is like Unleashed in terms of the reactions of audiences. It is a game that has mixed opinions throughout its trailers and announcement and it is the first main Sonic game after a really really bad Sonic game. I think Forces will please most fans that don't think too hard about why they like Sonic or only like Sonic for his physical appearance.
As a Fire Emblem fan, my only concern is that the avatar will be given too much central focus like what was done in FE: Fates. They must be certain to maintain the focus on sonic. The avatar gameplay does look enticing to be honest.
I think it would be neat to have the avatar be like the one from White Knight Chronicles. They're just along for the ride. XD I think it wasn't even long in the game before they even stopped acknowledging you, so maybe a little more involved and not utterly ignored.
You say that adding another character would ruin the character balance between two Sonics and the other character. Theoretically, they could add Sonic Boom Sonic and it wouldn't ruin that balance. Make the game deliberately designed to compare and contrast the three "pillars" of Sonic.
I can't help this mechanic was introduced a little *too* early. It'll drive sales, sure, but couldn't they wait until they just implemented the other playable characters back into the series and do the experimenting later? It does look fun (I'm a sucker for gear-based gameplay), but it seems kind of weird that SEGA's first quality assured Modern Sonic game is, yet again, experimenting with other things instead of fleshing out the base game. They could've just gone the Final Fantasy XV route. What with the main game being focused on the central characters and their story and saving the extra stuff for a separate game entirely (Like Comrades you could say). This could allow for both the fleshing out of the gameplay style itself and the pure experimentation Sonic Team is known to do. Oh, and cut Classic Sonic from the game. He really has no reason to be there even AFTER Sonic Generations's success.
I am not against the idea of customization but.... if this red, generic looking lynx thing with hipster glasses is the design they want to show off in the advertising, then I don't want to know what else they came up with.
I don't get the inclusion of Classic Sonic other than the fact that it's a fallback if the Modern sections fail. We have Sonic Mania which by the sounds of it is a fantastic rendition of classic sonic games.
You are apart of a very small minority my guy. A lot of the old heads in the fandom have been waiting for this for a long ass time. Get with the times dude. We're in 2017, not 99.
This game looks like such a clusterfuck... Lol. They've stuffed in every gimmick under the sun they've done since 2010 in the Boost Games and then they shove in this Wannabe Xenoverse gimmick (Which is like, 10 years too late...) as an entire 3rd section of the game.... What?! I mean, they really weren't confident enough in Modern Sonic to have a full fledged game starring him and his friends, but they dump this on us...? What are they smoking? Lol.
How about they just take a break from making sonic games? Sega's got lots of other series that they could actually do well with, as they seem to have a more firm grasp on games like Nights, Billy Hatcher, Jet Set Radio, etc. They could have Sonic become a TV exclusive character for a bit, maybe even have Tyson Hesse use the Megadrive style he did for the Mania trailer and make a full-fledged series off of it (if he's up for it.). SEGA can't keep doing this and expect to keep a solid franchise with a wavering series. The tv series have done well, for the most part, (Satam, Sonic Boom Season 2, Sonic X [kinda].). So if Sega decides to hold off on Sonic games that they CLEARLY are failing at for a little while, maybe they could focus more on the more solid (and ironically, MUCH less used) games they CLEARLY know about and remember but purposely ignore (_stares at Alex Kidd, Billy Hatcher, and basically every other SEGA franchise_), and finally they'd be more respected. In the short term, it might seem like a bad idea to just give up on their most beloved franchise for a while, but in the end, it could be good for them to at least take a break, try to learn from others, see what made them tick, -give me billy hatcher 2-, and come back later, strong, refreshed, and goin strong. And fast. Gotta go fast.
im really late on saying this but whatever i like the idea of the custom character, but im asking myself why, the customization is bland they're using the wisp again as a gimmick that has no story relevance from what im guessing knowing sonic team and that this wasn't the right time for something like this to come into any of the games, this use of the custom character would have been good for trying to maybe start/continue the sonic RPG series as lets face it there's very little you can screw you in an RPG sometimes
Sega having the same problem as Capcom does with megaman, where they are just diluting and ruining their franchises, while ironically enough there are tons of fan games of both series out there that are alot better. Only stable game company mascot left is Mario still. I was one of the people who did want mavrick hunter for megaman, cause while it was a departure from the main series, at least it would have been something, as the most recent game for megaman was starforce 3 if I'm not mistaken, and that came out in 2008. While I myself am disappointed, I also recognize like kazeblade that maybe 50% or more, maybe 60-70% of the sonic community now is hyped for oc creation, to that I say, good for you guys, let me know if this game is any good when it comes out and maybe I'll buy it.
it's sad when the 1 good game coming from sonic isn't even being made by sonic team LOOOOOOOOOOL now if only they fire sonic team, we can make sonic great again
So what I'm seeing in the comments is people bitching about sega taking the time to try something actually different IN THEIR TITLE, seriously guys I'm still a bit of a sonic fan myself and think making my own character for shits and giggles would be cool, just applaud the team for what they are TRYING to do, as I said I'm still a bit of a sonic fan and I can agree that this fucking fan-base CANNOT be pleased-.- *Sees sonic mania* Me: O.O YAAAASSSSSSS
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How many people are going to make Coldsteel?
Chros me
Chros who's coldsteel?
Chros how about someone else
footballXdankmemesXmusic r my purpose to live
Only the best OC ever.
Coldsteel is only the god of all Oc's, i highly reccomend googling it!
I would be more open to the idea if it wasn't for the fact that it's been 11 years since we were able to fly as Tails in 3D.
It hurts more when you realise characters like E-123 Omega have yet to have a single 2D adventure.
windlessbasher Heres a thought,maby you can get a jetpack to fly with then just make your chacter look loke tails
Or I can not do that and just replay the Sonic Adventure I already have.
SayianSpiritGamer
So we have to create our own fake Tails because Sonic Team are too scared to make a real one themselves...? Lame.
Oh belive me I get that, but I at least appreciate we have an option other than Sonic finally.
Never really cared for Sonic TH-camrs, but you make great, really intelligent content. Keep it up!!!
Question , if classic wasn't in here .. and it was just Sonic and the OC.. Would you have liked it more?
yes
yep!
Certainly yes. Considering the general gameplay engine of Classic Sonic developed on top of Hedgehog Engine isn't very well to feel and control, there's no motive to further include him in future games other than nostalgia. At this point, Classic Sonic feels more like a chore to do than an alternative playstyle. He has to go.
Why are people getting so annoyed by the custom character part of the game? This could be the xenoverse of the sonic franchise
Possibly because of how ill timed a gimmick like this is. Sonic was already going through an identity crisis and has a fanbase known for making remarkably shitty OCs. Not only that, but this gameplay looked incredibly bland... basically Sonic Colors mixed with Sonic Boom without the Boost. This game just feels like a mishmash of various gimmicks and mechanics of past games as though it's Sonic Team's attempt to please every faction of the Sonic Fanbase they can in one game. It just comes off as a unfocused mess with unnecessary features. Classic Sonic and this Xenoverse thing didn't need to be in this game (At least the Xenoverse thing didn't need to be there as a core gameplay asset). He has an entire gallery of other characters with unique abilities that could've made this game a lot more interesting. This game just feels like one big missed opportunity.
That,s what i thought of too and some other people has said the same thing but most of them are being pissed because they still want the classic gameplay and just playing as classic sonic. . there really tired of new things being added to the game because there saying its taking the classic feel away from the game
cyberpunk takashi
I haven't heard anyone say that at all. I mean, we already have Mania...
I'm also confused when people say that forces doesn't know the genre it wants to be
Dimensional Paradox
Because of how all over the place the game is.
You don't get to play any species you want. There's a finite selection of them to choose from.
*Playable Races:* Hedgehog (obviously), Wolf (the guy in the trailer), Dog, Cat, Bird, Rabbit, Bear
Nyrufa damn they played ya boi Knuckles
I'm so hyped for deviant art the game!
Onion I think *That generalization though lol*
Onion I think now to make obsidian, silvers interdimensional twin.
Onion I think enough with the deviantart jokes
I'm really sorry but the deviantart joke got so old.
I thought the same thing.
RileyBlackfox I understand your point of view. In a way, you're right about the half-hearted effort from forces compared to mania. Personally, I just want more games made from Sonic Mania's team. The old Sonic Team's kind of lost it's spark.
Boi, this is another reason Classic Sonic's inclusion is pointless as hell
Mikael Fernandes true its more to please the fans of generations and more gameplay really
Yeah, it was kind of cool in Generations as a nice sort of throw back, but adding him to Forces turns awesome novelty into 'just another gimmick'. Guys...classic sonic should have been left a cameo, and cameos work best when they stay...cameos.
He is only in the game so the classic fans won't hate the game
I'm just going too make another sonic
Vegeta Prince of Dabbing lol
Is anyone else likely to buy this game just for the character creator? I want to see how in depth it is.
Yeah, I'm not feeling Forces either. As you said, Sonic Team seems like they have no idea what to do with Sonic anymore. I'm just kinda tired of Sonic Team trying to find their footing now. It's been nearly 20 years already. I personally won't be buying Forces. Mania seems alright, at least.
What are you, 10 years old? Go back to school, silly child. Small children should not be allowed on the internet without parental supervision. This is grown up discussion. Honestly, I'd be happy if they stopped making Sonic games. There's far better games out there, tbh. SEGA should focus on their non-Sonic IPs, and forget about this dead horse of a series.
Don't tell me what to do, brat. I can do what I want.
gamelordabd Just stop arguing, you straight up contradicted yourself
Stop posting, and the arguments will stop. By replying to me, you're instigating more arguments.
gamelordabd Don't listen to those boobs, I agree with what you mean. I still believe the groundwork for a fantastic Sonic game still exists, but Sonic Team and by extension Sega seem to just be messing around instead of making a solid product.
Too old for that? I'm a 29 years old Sonic fan and I'm totally OK with the concept of OC characters.
Age isn't a counter-argument to creativity ; I would even argue a grown-up can come with better design than a child or insecure teenager who would basically do "Me the Overpowered" or a non-original Sonic color/genderswap (and I'm talking about general occurences, I'm sure some kids/teens can come up with pretty amazing stuff).
I'm sad there's no sheep option in there. Sheep are cool. There's a wolf though. Wolves are cool too.
HitsujiMamoru I agree with you. Sonic fans are 95 percent teens and adults in there 20s to early 30s. Just because Sonic id. Advertised towards kids doesn't mean all Sonic fans are kids.
THANK YOU! I'm 28 years old and I love the concept of Sonic OCs being in the game to allow me to get creative and make cool characters I could see teaming up with Sonic and the gang.
Was honestly a bit annoyed by his assumption and it almost felt insulting that apparently you have to be a child to enjoy the OC portion of the game.
also as a side note I'm with you on more race options I wanted to play as an Echidna but apparently there's a reason that's not happening. Either way it would have been cool if they had much more animal race options seeing as how they don't differ much with body type, only just the head.
@@TheShadowHatter Update: This game ended up being a massive heartbreaking disappointment.
I just wish Sonic Team would stop making Sonic games this point, not because they're bad at it per se, more just because they come across as so jaded. It's especially noticeable in comparison with Mania, a game that you can tell just by looking at is being made by a group of young, talented, passionate developers who just want to make Sonic the best he can be, as opposed to Forces which to me just reeks of Sonic Team half-heartedly trying to do what they think people want, but they have such a cursory understanding of what that is that whatever they come up with will inevitably be a walking chimera of conflicting ideas.
BlackFox, Don't know what the F$%* u talking about, Sonic colors and generations was good.
RileyBlackfox f#ck you
It seems you've struck a nerve lol
Naxiro Dark The definition of "scared to be unique" is Forces' only classic level so far being Green Hill. Yes, Mania has remixed old levels, but they've also shown several brand new zone themes we've never seen in a Sonic game.
Shawn Brown why do you guys censor your fucks when your trying to intimidate someone?
I really enjoy watching your videos. You always seem to know how to get your points and opinions across in a calm, collective manner. I really like that.
As for the new feature, I'll mess around with it a bit, but I personally care more about playing as Sonic himself.
I am actually kinda bothered by your tone and overall reaction to this... I am not a big sonic fan, I never had a sonic OC or even went around their web communities or anything, But having a character creator just seems like such a good idea and I would love to make one to play with! Customization of a character is everywhere in gaming now and the sonic style is very appealing, simple and easy to work with so it's perfect for something like this and makes sense perfectly as a GENERAL move on their part, I honestly feel most regular casual fans and just general people will enjoy the feature, as much fun as they might make of it (Me being a casual fan myself). So yeah, your reaction just seems a bit too negative. Especially how you assume this only cathers to a specific and ill-seen part of the community, it feels short sighted on your end. But oh well, your opinion is your own and I respect many of your points regardless.
HAHA. Your wording and delivery of the intro is absolutely sublime. Thanks man.
I'm always a sucker for character creation. But in the context of a Sonic game I just can't help but find it extremely funny aswell. As some people said on the previous video, the team surely want to get more mileage out of assets that are flying by in half a second as you boost through the levels. That's fair enough- even if it contributes to the issues you previously discussed- but that said, with the OC serving this purpose and also being a new angle, this leaves classic Sonic doing nothing but pandering to nostalgia; which leaves a more bitter taste with me than before.
I feel like the OC will die at the end of the game. Lmao I wonder if it'll have a super form.. xD
also who else is gonna make Bubsy? And will the character be mute? Have a normal voice, but you can change the pitch of it?
Make Boomy the Cat.
This channel seems relatively new but so far, its great. Keep up the good work, man!
basically adventure style
finally a platformer and The return of Shadic.
All I could think of was that comic of Eggman yelling "ORIGINAL THE CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL"
I really like this but this game will then be filled with cringey as heck fanmade characters
that means they have high imagination on creating characters... unlike those stupid and idiotic people that never respect someone else OCs
Natasha Laurentia making oc's doesn't mean you are a creative person. Fuck off
ProblemasLAPTOP so that means you can insult their creation? I don't think so... you just jealous you can't create some OCs huh? oh... no worry, I pray you could create one
C'mon man don't pull the jealous card on me, trust me it isn't that hard to create an "OC", at least not a good one like 90% of the fandom's creations
ProblemasLAPTOP haha... at least someone need to put some respect to someone else creation not like someone that always complaining on stuff like they have the BEST creation in whole world
I was shaking my head at Sonic Forces about 57 seconds into the first trailer.
All I could think was, "Why?"
I'm really excited for the custom character part of the game it looks polished and really just fantastic overall
Cringeworthy DeviantArt Sonic OCs Aside, I still think it's a great feature.
The level design seems to compliment the gadgets that the 3rd character has. I'm pretty sure HE'S the main guy we play as where Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic fall in line as sort of Act 2s and 3s OR we may have to revisit areas and the Sonic's will have the main focus in the revisits. I think these 3 gameplay styles can work together it looks like it'll be sound so I'm excited. Also just a nitpick but age has nothing to do with appealing to fans with CaC. In fact, the adults are the ones MORE likely to enjoy this because they've played for years and a number of them have wondered "What would my own sonic character look like?" for longer
I don't expect the character creation tools to be very complex.
*Psssh, nothin personnel kid.*
That custom character from the trailer is SammyClassicSonicFan
I enjoyed Lost World personally, I agree on the classic Sonic part, but I somehow have the feeling the OC character is getting a lot of hate not from his gameplay style but more from the fact it's an OC, like, I feel like if it was identical, but instead of being an oc it was Boom Sonic or Shadow, or Silver, or the base red wolf OC, but as his own non customizable character, he'd get less bashed, I don't know if you agree.
I just wanted to play as Shadow again, so now I have to make an OC that is ripped off from him? Uh... GG Sonic Team.
bro. im older than you and have never drawn a Sonic OC. this is the first ive heard of character creation in this game and think it sounds exciting. im looking forward to trying it.
At least we'll get some memes involving the OCs either insulting or complimenting em... a memes a meme I can't hate em all
As a 22-year-old Sonic fan who started with Sonic 2 on the Genesis I literally screamed when I saw that I get to play as an OC. I think it is absolutely hilarious and my inner self-insert fangirl could not be more excited. Like I am genuinely excited for this and ironically excited for this at the same time. It's very confusing.
I'm the same. Sonic 2 and Gunstar Heroes were my first two games. Granted, I never finished a 2D Sonic because the gameplay didn't keep me interested all the way through, but mixing it in here will keep it fresh for me.
Plus, I have what can be considered a fetish for character creation.
"Walking talking identity crisis" It so true. Sad but True.
So can I create bubsy in sonic forces
Wait do you guys know what I'm thinking? Could we make Dreamcast Sonic,........
Noobic
You mean, Modern Sonic?
Completely agree w all your points. This game isn't made for me either. Sonic Team yet again avoiding the task of solidifying solid Sonic control mechanics and gameplay. They for some reason won't come up with a solution so they pad their games w gimmicks. They should really consider giving the franchise over to the Sonic Utopia team so we'd finally get our true 3D Sonic title.
Enjoy Artwork Lol, your comment is funny.
Enjoy Artwork
Absolutely. Sonic Team need some new blood from head to toe. Especially with needing a new director. I'm certain the devs behind Utopia could create an amazing game with a proper budget. They're certainly more talented than the current tired staff we have at Sonic Team.
Dag Jumah
Gotta love Sonic Fans like yourself who believe they're superior to others just because they want it to change for the better.
+Dag Jumah There's no point in people paying money for a game if it doesn't look good to them. You like Forces? Great! Go play it. Don't mind us. But us older fans seem to be frequently ignored or misunderstood when it comes to the 3D games, so we're just getting tired of it. I'm not gonna waste money on this. I have a huge backlog of other games to play, anyway.
gamelordabd You have to be open minded, not judge by a copule of clips
I can't wait for TFS to do a let's play of this game and give us another lovable monstrosity
I'm okay with it
But the costum sonic oc concept is a good enough idea that it could have been it's own game
Well personally I'm excited, and this feature made me actually interested in purchasing the Switch and this game. I merely hope in the future we get rid of Classic Sonic / Modern Sonic crossovers for good. It's never fun if you're only gonna give us 50/50 of one thing. Classic Sonic belongs in another format, and should not be misused so easily. In terms of the customisation gimmick, maybe next time we'll only have Modern Sonic and the OC. Or maybe choose your favourite Sonic Hero out of a multitude and build your teams. Or just a solid Modern Sonic game, period.
Regardless, I'm excited for this game, and this feature gave me more hope towards the future. If they're gonna listen to one section of their target audience, then they might also listen to other sections of their audience.
To be fair while I do agree that it seems they're trying to still learn what modern Sonic is, I think these customisation elements are potentially them experimenting on expanding the Sonic movepool so that if they're successful with this OC they will more than likely be translated into Sonics set. It's much easier to experiment with an OC rather than tack this set on Sonic and risk pissing fans off by fucking it up.
So many custom options... So many gadgets... So... many... possibilities...
Nah boi, I'm makin' Batman.
Let's be honest...I'm not the only one going to make Bubsy in the game,right?
anyone else wondering where tails is?
As a 36 yr old sonic fan I have no problems with nostalgia but I also believe change is essential for both old and new fans of the series, sonic generations was awesome for combining both old and new but for them to do again and expect it to have the same effect is very ignorant on the devs part especially when you already have a separate game which features the classic sonic, so what they should have done was keep it fully modern to let the playstyle really shine thru.
Dude, I'm 29 years old and I'm still hyped for this game. Physical age doesn't mean shit when it comes to entertainment. If the story and game play are compelling enough, anybody can enjoy it. But let's be honest, I'm going to watch some Let's Plays before trying to pick up this game. As for how the game works, IGN seems to suggest that you start off playing as your character because Sonic has mysteriously disappeared. Eggman has conquered the world in his absence, so your hero takes up the fight and eventually tracks Sonic down.
I still just want sonic adventure 3 with an actual refined gameplay style, like imagine if the other two adventure games were really polished and clean as opposed to clunky and awkward. They did something right with those games because I still like them despite their overall quality.
I was seriously confused when I saw Classic Sonic in Sonic Forces just after they announced Sonic Mania. I feel as if Sonic Forces is mainly a fanservice game. They took elements from the modern games which were the most appreciated then mashed them together and now you can even play as your own character in this mish-mash best-of Sonic game. I will probably have a lot of fun with this game, they seems to care more about releasing solid and finished product nowadays. I will also have fun trying to create characters from the comic books. But still, I'm quite disappointed with the route they are taking so far.
Am i the only one who is questioning the position of the headset in the trailer(it's not on the ear)
I'm a Sonic Fan. I'm looking forward to Sonic Forces. I want to see for myself how the game plays out. I grew up with my first real introduction to Sonic being Sonic Adventure Battle, and my second exposure being the Sonic Advance line of games. So I hold great love of Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic. WHat I am not looking forward to is the inevitable edgelord OC crack shipping that will undoubtably follow. Looking forward to experimenting with character creation, though. Bring on the Mighty.
God dammit Sega, now I have to wait another hour just so that I can create my ideal avatar!
i just hope the customization is as good as the dream collection
Make a game based around the theme of what sonic was originally about in Sonic SATM. It was Dark with a 'little' humor here and there, winning was not always possible for them but at the end of the day they got something done to stop or thwart Robotnik's plans to ruin and destroy the environment/planet.
That being said... this looks to be finally taking a step in that direction.
i guess we need an adventure style game boosting is just dumb :/ classic is cool but yeah nostalgia cant keep him alive... adventure games were really defined and good and i think in this point of view 06 and heroes were good tries as well they were challenging and not just go through the levels with enormous speed without memorizing any levels
@thekazeblade what do you think of infinite
my personal opinion? the 4 "tiers" if the sonic franchise should be as follows:
1. Boost
2. Classic
3. Heroes
4. Spin-offs
The gameplay reminds me of Ratchet & Clank, also I can't wait to make a bootleg version of Fang The Sniper
Emanuele Sand no weasel species, tho
wait in the trailer there are wisps DOES THAT MEAN WISPS ARE COMING BACK?
Well, my bad old Sonic OC, "Xane the Hedgehog" could make an appearance...but less of a "terrible Sonic recolor with brown eyes and orange shoes"...
This character looks straight out if the sonic boom cartoon
I'm sure it won't happen but I wouldn't be all that mad if this game somehow "kills off" both Sonics at the end. Then this new play style of our OC becomes how all the new modern Sonic games play! I really wouldn't mind if every sonic game from here on out required us to make a character with only cameos from everyone else. That way the sonic team could focus on one play style for the next decade or so. It would also help them when trying to tackle the world of multiplayer that's so dominant these days
Okay maybe instead of "killing off" Sonic they kind of just retire him and he becomes something if a mentor for OC
Whatever species you want? Nope. Not possible.
But on the plus side, the music is as great as ever.
There's more then just boost whisps NOOOOOOOOOOO
I kind of wish we'd get more info though on the character creator. From what I've seen so far, and haven't seen to put this fear to rest, is that the character creator is merely going to be yet another gimic feature, and that Sega is not going to turn it into something fully realized. Which, honestly...boggles me. I have played Phantasy Star Online 2, which has a great customization system, and does a lot of things right, despite even becoming a free to play eventually. So I know Sega is capable of these things, then why is it that it feels this is going to be yet another thing they do half assed? Is it just a difference between the teams that work on those games, or is it that Sega just really is not as interested in giving the same amount of care to one of thier most beloved and well known mascots?
basically chaos should be next.
I think they should remove the glasses for the trailer
Late upload, I wasn't ready
What would Nintendo do if they owned Sonic? I always ask myself this question for every game genre I come across. Nintendo always care about the gameplay, and if they don't see it as fun, or engaging, they will change it. For example, Mario 64, they didn't make the game right away. They stopped and thought of ways to make the game funner to play, by a simple task of following a bunny. I would imagine something similar with Sonic, but I can't think of anything Nintendo would do to redefine him.
Sega is shy about new characters yet they have a new villain in infinite
Great, now my OC Shedew the Pregnant Edgehog can live out Attack on Titan
I feel like Mania is going to please Sonic Fans who love the core of Sonic, while Forces please the fans that care about the surface.
There is literally a thing called the Sonic Cycle on the internet, and Forces seems to follow that formula in terms of its hype, while Mania is like an anomoly of the Cycle. Forces is like Unleashed in terms of the reactions of audiences. It is a game that has mixed opinions throughout its trailers and announcement and it is the first main Sonic game after a really really bad Sonic game.
I think Forces will please most fans that don't think too hard about why they like Sonic or only like Sonic for his physical appearance.
I can't wait for chaos comeback
The red wolf character looks like sammy classic sonic fan
As a Fire Emblem fan, my only concern is that the avatar will be given too much central focus like what was done in FE: Fates. They must be certain to maintain the focus on sonic. The avatar gameplay does look enticing to be honest.
I think it would be neat to have the avatar be like the one from White Knight Chronicles. They're just along for the ride. XD
I think it wasn't even long in the game before they even stopped acknowledging you, so maybe a little more involved and not utterly ignored.
And this is why Capcom stopped making Megaman Games.
WHO'S GOING TO PUT SONICHU IN THE GAME
You say that adding another character would ruin the character balance between two Sonics and the other character. Theoretically, they could add Sonic Boom Sonic and it wouldn't ruin that balance. Make the game deliberately designed to compare and contrast the three "pillars" of Sonic.
so i can be a wolf now? SWEET
So is this whole game gonna take place in that one burned down city?
Should have brought the SatAM/Comics characters in and Made Sally playable and bring back scratch and grounder
Ohhh noooo...
This does not bode well.
I feel pits in my stomach..
I have a baAaAaAaAd feelin' about this all of a sudden.
I can't help this mechanic was introduced a little *too* early. It'll drive sales, sure, but couldn't they wait until they just implemented the other playable characters back into the series and do the experimenting later? It does look fun (I'm a sucker for gear-based gameplay), but it seems kind of weird that SEGA's first quality assured Modern Sonic game is, yet again, experimenting with other things instead of fleshing out the base game.
They could've just gone the Final Fantasy XV route. What with the main game being focused on the central characters and their story and saving the extra stuff for a separate game entirely (Like Comrades you could say). This could allow for both the fleshing out of the gameplay style itself and the pure experimentation Sonic Team is known to do.
Oh, and cut Classic Sonic from the game. He really has no reason to be there even AFTER Sonic Generations's success.
I am not against the idea of customization but.... if this red, generic looking lynx thing with hipster glasses is the design they want to show off in the advertising, then I don't want to know what else they came up with.
All I wanted was to run fast
The problem with the OC Is that they use a weapon. It's probably gonna make the game too easy
My costum character will be the sonic boom sonic
I don't get the inclusion of Classic Sonic other than the fact that it's a fallback if the Modern sections fail. We have Sonic Mania which by the sounds of it is a fantastic rendition of classic sonic games.
You are apart of a very small minority my guy. A lot of the old heads in the fandom have been waiting for this for a long ass time. Get with the times dude. We're in 2017, not 99.
This game looks like such a clusterfuck... Lol.
They've stuffed in every gimmick under the sun they've done since 2010 in the Boost Games and then they shove in this Wannabe Xenoverse gimmick (Which is like, 10 years too late...) as an entire 3rd section of the game.... What?! I mean, they really weren't confident enough in Modern Sonic to have a full fledged game starring him and his friends, but they dump this on us...? What are they smoking? Lol.
They should just be making separate games like Mario instead of shoving garbage in every mainline Sonic game.
SamVision
Exactly!
How about they just take a break from making sonic games? Sega's got lots of other series that they could actually do well with, as they seem to have a more firm grasp on games like Nights, Billy Hatcher, Jet Set Radio, etc. They could have Sonic become a TV exclusive character for a bit, maybe even have Tyson Hesse use the Megadrive style he did for the Mania trailer and make a full-fledged series off of it (if he's up for it.). SEGA can't keep doing this and expect to keep a solid franchise with a wavering series. The tv series have done well, for the most part, (Satam, Sonic Boom Season 2, Sonic X [kinda].). So if Sega decides to hold off on Sonic games that they CLEARLY are failing at for a little while, maybe they could focus more on the more solid (and ironically, MUCH less used) games they CLEARLY know about and remember but purposely ignore (_stares at Alex Kidd, Billy Hatcher, and basically every other SEGA franchise_), and finally they'd be more respected. In the short term, it might seem like a bad idea to just give up on their most beloved franchise for a while, but in the end, it could be good for them to at least take a break, try to learn from others, see what made them tick, -give me billy hatcher 2-, and come back later, strong, refreshed, and goin strong. And fast. Gotta go fast.
It's an absolute disgrace, my blood is literally boiling about it how dare they
eeh if this is the only game this shows up it then it's fine. won't harm anyone
im really late on saying this but whatever
i like the idea of the custom character, but im asking myself why, the customization is bland they're using the wisp again as a gimmick that has no story relevance from what im guessing knowing sonic team and that this wasn't the right time for something like this to come into any of the games, this use of the custom character would have been good for trying to maybe start/continue the sonic RPG series as lets face it there's very little you can screw you in an RPG sometimes
Chris Chan will love this shit.
I wanted to play Tails and other characters, not my own deviantart vomit
Why? You don't want to play as "Try-hard The Cringe" and create yourself as an anthropomorphic guy you want to be? 😂
Sega having the same problem as Capcom does with megaman, where they are just diluting and ruining their franchises, while ironically enough there are tons of fan games of both series out there that are alot better. Only stable game company mascot left is Mario still. I was one of the people who did want mavrick hunter for megaman, cause while it was a departure from the main series, at least it would have been something, as the most recent game for megaman was starforce 3 if I'm not mistaken, and that came out in 2008. While I myself am disappointed, I also recognize like kazeblade that maybe 50% or more, maybe 60-70% of the sonic community now is hyped for oc creation, to that I say, good for you guys, let me know if this game is any good when it comes out and maybe I'll buy it.
it's sad when the 1 good game coming from sonic isn't even being made by sonic team
LOOOOOOOOOOL
now if only they fire sonic team, we can make sonic great again
So what I'm seeing in the comments is people bitching about sega taking the time to try something actually different IN THEIR TITLE, seriously guys I'm still a bit of a sonic fan myself and think making my own character for shits and giggles would be cool, just applaud the team for what they are TRYING to do, as I said I'm still a bit of a sonic fan and I can agree that this fucking fan-base CANNOT be pleased-.-
*Sees sonic mania* Me: O.O YAAAASSSSSSS