hi Nick, I'm re-watching this but now for different reasons. I'm started, building a Somes Sound 12 1/2. It is a glued lapstrake construction and I will be needing to cut laps and gains. I thought at first to look for a rabbet plane but am now confused with shoulder planes and can't decide which would be best. The planks will be made of hydrotech marine plywood (3/8). What are your thoughts, please? thanks, Chuck
I don't end up cutting gains so I'm not necessarily the best qualified. You probably want to use a tool that matches the size of the gains you are cutting. A shoulder plane is a form of rabet plane (rabet planes have blades that extend to the side of the plane) and I would think a shoulder plane sized slightly bigger than the needed gain would work nicely, but any rabet plane would get the job done. I'm sure some folks just use a sharp chisel.
@@NickSchade thanks Nick! I think, based on what I can gather, is that one or the other has a lower blade angle and I'm thinking that this might be more suited, especially based on how thin the material is that I'll be using.
I just took a look at Lie-Nielsen's home page, beautiful tools. Different style and look than most European stuff. A Danish name by the way, oh sorry, there I went again ;) Great tools just makes you happy. Like beautiful ships and great music. Thanks for sharing.
Most Lie-Nielsen tools are based on earlier Stanley examples. They make very nice stuff. They have led a modern revolution in high quality new tools. Veritas has also stepped in with some great innovative reinterpretations of classic designs.
I know this is an old video, but I have a question I hope you can shed some light on. I have a Lie-Nielsen block rabbet plane like you show here, but for some reason, the blade is wider than the actual plane, is that intentional? Because to me it only seems to be annoying and make alignment much more difficult, so cutting flat and straight once one side is adjusted flush to the side is almost impossible. - I'm very close to just going with grinding it flush on both sides, but I'd like to know if I'm about to make a booboo. Thanks for all your vids, they make the woodworking fingers itch with need of building a kayak. :)
Yes, you certainly could. Since you don't have to adjust it very the fact that the adjustment on once side couldn't be changed without effecting the other side, probably wouldn't be a big deal.
Nick, I got your robo bevel about a year ago but I've never gotten the little plane to go with it. I see several Veritas mini shoulder planes on line from various places. some cost around $40 and some as much as $180. is there much difference and which one specifically would you recommend to use in your robo bevel tool?
I think the handiest solution to swapping directions would be having a second Veritas side-rabbet set up to go the other way. AND I'd paint it a different color so I'd not have to think about which one to grab. But I only have the 79 Stanley with the metal fence in my rabbet plane collection (at this point in time), save for the Stanley 71.5 router plane. Good info from the Pro tnx.
I would like to send you a photo of a vintage rabbit plane with no identifcation as to who made it, and most interesting the blade which came with it is shapened like a knife. Please help us ID it: ... OORAH!!
I'm looking t building a canoe and looking to collect the tools I'll need. Would something like the Rabbet Block Plane be enough to build a first boat or would you recommend more than that before starting?
If you get a nice rabbet style block plane you could do all your strip-fitting, edge beveling and centerline trimming with the one tool. I'll be posting a discussion of my block planes soon, keep an eye out for that.
I do have a sit on top design, my "Sea Island Sport", but I also have another sit on top on the drawing board that I would like to document and release.
rabbet and rebate are both correct From Websters: rabbet Rabbet \Rab"bet\, n. [See {Rabbet} v., and cf. {Rebate}, n.] 1. (Carp.) A longitudinal channel, groove, or recess cut out of the edge or face of any body; especially, one intended to receive another member, so as to break or cover the joint, or more easily to hold the members in place; thus, the groove cut for a panel, for a pane of glass, or for a door, is a rabbet, or rebate. 2. Same as Rabbet joint, below. {Rabbet joint} (Carp.), a joint formed by fitting together rabbeted boards or timbers: -- called also {rabbet}. {Rabbet plane}, a joiner's plane for cutting a rabbet. --Moxon. ____________ Rebate \Re*bate"\, n. [See {Rabbet}.] 1. (Arch.) A restangular longitudinal recess or groove, cut in the corner or edge of any body; a rabbet. See {Rabbet}.
hi Nick, I'm re-watching this but now for different reasons. I'm started, building a Somes Sound 12 1/2. It is a glued lapstrake construction and I will be needing to cut laps and gains. I thought at first to look for a rabbet plane but am now confused with shoulder planes and can't decide which would be best. The planks will be made of hydrotech marine plywood (3/8). What are your thoughts, please? thanks, Chuck
I don't end up cutting gains so I'm not necessarily the best qualified. You probably want to use a tool that matches the size of the gains you are cutting. A shoulder plane is a form of rabet plane (rabet planes have blades that extend to the side of the plane) and I would think a shoulder plane sized slightly bigger than the needed gain would work nicely, but any rabet plane would get the job done. I'm sure some folks just use a sharp chisel.
@@NickSchade thanks Nick! I think, based on what I can gather, is that one or the other has a lower blade angle and I'm thinking that this might be more suited, especially based on how thin the material is that I'll be using.
I just found an unused Stanley 79 in its original box on eBay. Approaching double digits but in mint condition. Came in the mail yesterday.
I just took a look at Lie-Nielsen's home page, beautiful tools. Different style and look than most European stuff. A Danish name by the way, oh sorry, there I went again ;) Great tools just makes you happy. Like beautiful ships and great music. Thanks for sharing.
Most Lie-Nielsen tools are based on earlier Stanley examples. They make very nice stuff. They have led a modern revolution in high quality new tools. Veritas has also stepped in with some great innovative reinterpretations of classic designs.
I know this is an old video, but I have a question I hope you can shed some light on. I have a Lie-Nielsen block rabbet plane like you show here, but for some reason, the blade is wider than the actual plane, is that intentional? Because to me it only seems to be annoying and make alignment much more difficult, so cutting flat and straight once one side is adjusted flush to the side is almost impossible. - I'm very close to just going with grinding it flush on both sides, but I'd like to know if I'm about to make a booboo. Thanks for all your vids, they make the woodworking fingers itch with need of building a kayak. :)
Excellent as always! I also like the Stanley 98 and 99 repo sets made by Lie-Nelson. They are kind of spendy (but also beautiful).
Yea, I thought about talking about those, but decided not to go down every "rabbet" hole.
The fence on the veritas could perhaps be changed with a block of wood, so both sides can be used without adjusting the fence.
Yes, you certainly could. Since you don't have to adjust it very the fact that the adjustment on once side couldn't be changed without effecting the other side, probably wouldn't be a big deal.
Nick, I got your robo bevel about a year ago but I've never gotten the little plane to go with it. I see several Veritas mini shoulder planes on line from various places. some cost around $40 and some as much as $180. is there much difference and which one specifically would you recommend to use in your robo bevel tool?
Lee Valley sell them, I just bought two. Veritas Miniature Shoulder Plane. 05P8001 $47.50 CA each
I think the handiest solution to swapping directions would be having a second Veritas side-rabbet set up to go the other way. AND I'd paint it a different color so I'd not have to think about which one to grab. But I only have the 79 Stanley with the metal fence in my rabbet plane collection (at this point in time), save for the Stanley 71.5 router plane. Good info from the Pro tnx.
The best solution is always: more tools.
I would like to send you a photo of a vintage rabbit plane with no identifcation as to who made it, and most interesting the blade which came with it is shapened like a knife. Please help us ID it: ... OORAH!!
I'm looking t building a canoe and looking to collect the tools I'll need. Would something like the Rabbet Block Plane be enough to build a first boat or would you recommend more than that before starting?
If you get a nice rabbet style block plane you could do all your strip-fitting, edge beveling and centerline trimming with the one tool. I'll be posting a discussion of my block planes soon, keep an eye out for that.
Nick!! nick, can you update the tool links? there are some that do not work...😔
Hi Nick, is it possible for you to build a sit on top Kayak? Thank you.
I do have a sit on top design, my "Sea Island Sport", but I also have another sit on top on the drawing board that I would like to document and release.
Thank you very interesting review of the planes.Laik :-)
Do more skin on frame builds.
One boat at a time, but I will get back to SOF later.
Rebate plane not rabbit is not an animal
rabbet and rebate are both correct
From Websters:
rabbet
Rabbet \Rab"bet\, n. [See {Rabbet} v., and cf. {Rebate}, n.]
1. (Carp.) A longitudinal channel, groove, or recess cut out
of the edge or face of any body; especially, one intended
to receive another member, so as to break or cover the
joint, or more easily to hold the members in place; thus,
the groove cut for a panel, for a pane of glass, or for a
door, is a rabbet, or rebate.
2. Same as Rabbet joint, below.
{Rabbet joint} (Carp.), a joint formed by fitting together
rabbeted boards or timbers: -- called also {rabbet}.
{Rabbet plane}, a joiner's plane for cutting a rabbet.
--Moxon.
____________
Rebate \Re*bate"\, n. [See {Rabbet}.]
1. (Arch.) A restangular longitudinal recess or groove, cut
in the corner or edge of any body; a rabbet. See {Rabbet}.