I love that You do this RevZilla! Anytime I find a motorcycle product I am interested in I come to your youtube channel to see if you've reviewed it. Thank you!
I just found one on a 09 street glide I got a couple months ago. Now I’ve been looking for operating instructions. I don’t have a computer but would love to turn the dam idle down from 1000 sometimes 1200 to frickin 800. Drives me nuts. I’ve had an evo with an S&S for 15 years and have gotten used to how a Harley should sound. Except I had to fight that idle screw backing out now and then. But at least I had one. Ugggh
Looks like this is absolutely the safest bet for a stage 1 without tarnishing warranty. AND it’s tunable. Take that EPA. Sorry Harley / Screamin Eagle. Blew your motor? Unplug it and throw on the stock parts. Boom. New engine for free. 🤘🏼 exactly what I was looking for with my extended warranty. Can’t wait to wake my bike up with the cobra el diablo 2-1 exhaust, cobra 90* cone air cleaner, dk custom breather / catch can, and tune. Let’s gooooo 🤘🏼
I mounted my PCV in the same spot you guys did because there was no space under the seat! Just needed some good velcro. Anyway - it's working great and easy access to switch maps on the go with my phone.
I read from some article that HD ecm do not like piggy back n fooling ecm as programed therefore the bike would shut down year layer. Is this true statement?
Question. So the HD ECM is expecting 1.4 Volts but the PCV shows 1.5 Volts to the ECM. How can the PCV compensate for that voltage difference so that when the bike does it's system check & see the 1.5Volts it doesn't freak out the ECM?
Ya agree what saying doc harley did review on this said it will be fine for a while but after about year will shut down because ecm won't keep agreeing with pre check on ecm
Great video, thank you. I recently bought a 2014 Street Glide with a Power Comander, however I dud not get the software with it. I still have the cable and CD from a Power Comander I purchased for a 2012 Ultra Classic. Will that CD be compatible with the newer Power Comander?
my 2004 softail has no o2 sensors at all...does the pc5 need sensors. i avtually bought the dynojet power vision not knowing i meeded 02 sensors..basicly spent 460$ on pv and cant use it. basically 460$ brick now.. .
I’m ordering this for my Honda fury, so if I already have aftermarket exhaust and air intake by just plugging this in it’ll automatically use the best tune for this combo?
I have a Dyno jet power commander v originally bought for 2013 road glide but no longer have that bike. Would it fit a 2015 row glide? Is never been used
+Davis Le No, the Power Commander and the Fuelpak FP3 are both fuel controllers. You would use one or the other, not both. Keep in mind that the Fuelpak includes auto-tuning, whereas the Power Commander V for Harley requires the Dynojet Auto Tune Kit for Harley. Therefore, if your Harley is compatible with the Fuelpak FP3 and you have an Apple or Android phone/tablet, the Fuelpak 3 would be a more affordable option. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-auto-tune-kit-for-power-commander-v-for-harley *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2007-2013
Lemmy I think your a (H.D) bikers biker . I would love to ride with you sometime . I enjoy your motorcycle reviews and hope you keep doing more. Maybe Indian & Victory & of course more Harley . Does the FP3 have ignition timing , throttle response, & Rev limiter adjustment capabilities like the PVC ? Can you use the vision commander in conjunction with the PVC for auto tuning or are they separate units?
Yes, the FP3 will allow throttle adjustments on Harleys with electronic throttles as well as rev limiter changes, but it does not allow changes to ignition timing. As for the Power Vision vs. the PCV, you cannot use them in conjunction with each other, as they're separate units. With a Power Vision, you would use the specific Auto Tuner for Power Vision. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-vision-for-harley *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-auto-tune-kit-for-power-vision-for-harley
1.) How can this be used to get best tuned performance from a modified engine in California? 2.) What is the penalty if you have it installed in CA? 3.) Seems it could be discretely installed and know one would know the difference? 4.) Can you use it to tune your engine, set maps and then remove it or must it be installed during operation of the motorcycle?
I have a pcv and we had it on the Dyno and everything was work then the pcv stopped sending info to the Dyno can I send it to dynojet and have then check it or is it done?
Possibly? I recommend contacting Dynojet to be sure though. -DrewZilla *www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Contact/powercommander_technical_support.aspx
2003 road king 100th anniversary Installed stage 1 kit and also 2 into 1 freedom performance exhaust side dump, what would be best suggested for tune or auto tune?
Well this mess up my warrantee on my bike? Like can I take it off before bring it to the dealership for some warranty work with out them knowing. I have it?
I ordered one for my Sporty 48. I’m newer to this stuff, is there a good install video I could watch? I’ve been trying to do an much work as I can myself, and it sounds like this product was the right choice, but I’m not very knowledgeable yet. Thanks.
My service tech told me the bike is hesitant at around 2000 rpm’s and mentioned the power commander V can fry my Harley’s computer. He suggested I switch to the power vision. If I switched, it would cost me $200 for the license and $350 for the labor of mapping my 2017 street glide special. I have installed Vance and Hines dresser dual headers, Vance and Hines monster round slips ons and a k&n air filter. Is this necessary or should I just have the bike dyno tuned with the power commander V I already have installed? I don’t know a thing about making changes to the canned map I’m using but there was no map for the exact equipment I have on my bike.
My question ❓⁉️ I have a 2003 stock ultra classic it's, fuel injected I just st added a set of Rineheart slip ons onto my bike will I need to add a power commander???
If you've got a laptop PC, it's not hard at all. You just connect the appropriate USB cable from the Power Commander to the laptop and then use the Power Commander software to load a new map. -DrewZilla
I just bought pcv and a screaming eagle air intake what kind of horse power increase can expect with this combo?any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated my bike is a 2012 street glide 103 thanks brother Oop.
Unfortunately there's no real way for us to accurately predict the kind of gains you should expect from a particular combination of performance parts. The tune makes the biggest difference. I would say anywhere from 5 to 10 hp is common, though. Enjoy! -TeamZilla Chris
Yes, Power Commanders are model year-specific or cover a specific set of model years. Here is the correct model for you. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-touring-2002-2006
@@RevZilla thanks man for getting back to me it is a bit expensive down here im in South Africa looking for something a bit cheaper is the cobra fi2000r fuel tuner still going to work
I just bought a 2015 Iron 883 that came with the PCV installed. I want to install an FP3 on it instead. Can I just unplug the PCV and plug in the FP3 then re tune? Or do I need to delete the Power Commander tune 1st?
So question if I were to get this for my bike because I am ordering a new exhaust for it and got the map and all that done. Would I want to also have the auto tuner that u can also get is it necessary and would I benefit from it? Also would the auto tuner work for a inline 3 cylinder?
i have a 2016 wide glide with vance and Hines 2-2 big radius pipes and SE stage 1 air cleaner. i have a noticeable decel pop going on. will this take car of that?
With the appropriate map, the Power Commander can help reduce popping on deceleration. For additional tuning options, you may want to consider the Vance & Hines Fuelpak FP3 as well. -DrewZilla (www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-dyna-2012-2016) (www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016)
so it seems like the top two contenders are PCV and fuelpak 3 by V&H. are they both pretty equal? or is the PCV really worth the extra money? i can pick up a FP3 for like $320, and to get the PCV with auto tune it's like $700 for both...
In my opinion, the FP3 has made tuning much more affordable and accessible, so as long as you have an Android or Apple iOS device, I recommend the FP3. The FP3 actually offers more features (diagnostic readouts and live data). -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016
The only fitment for any of the Magneti Marelli bikes would be 1997-2001 Harley Touring that had fuel injection. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-touring-1997-2001
+RevZilla Not yet and reason for that is that when I talked with Dynojet they told me that they don't provide any turbo maps which was surprising to me.
Colby, Revzilla is scaling the beard based on their anticipated audience. You may be very experienced working on motorcycles but others may be just starting out. Just food for thought. :)
Don't use the cheap ass velcro that comes with the commander ( glue stuck great but velcro did hold) it will slip off. I installed mine just as they said and the velcro didn't hold it causing the commander to fall off and rub on the drive belt. After Dynojet told me to send it in , Dynojet wouldn't fix or replace it . They make a good product but shouldn't expect the cheap ass velcro to hold the box. Make sure you zip tie the dam thing down.
Looking for the best option for the 2017 STREET GLIDE CVO 114 PCV or TTS or RCX's control box or anything else, I was told the harleys control's are GARBAGE!
For the CVO Street Glide, I'd go with the Vance & Hines Fuelpak FP3, as you get the fuel mapping ability of the Power Commander while adding diagnostics and auto-tuning. Additionally, Dynojet doesn't officially support the CVO model. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2017
My street bike is for the highway and canyons. And no its not practical. It's good to know the mechanics of both bikes and how they operate differently. I would like to see a new motor design from harley using gears and such and not the push rod designs.
+Guy Smiley Interesting though the Vrod uses no push rods. it's overhead cams and liquid cooled. also developed in part by Porche. so technically it's not really a true harley. it's a good bike but not retro developed
Colby Butler so, Harley should have hired the engineer that helped design the V-Rod engine, because then it would be a "true harley"? I don't understand why this is always brought as a slam against HD. It's still your non push ride HD motor. The point is that Harley produced the V-Rod and it has it's following, but doesn't appeal to all. All companies have their loyal customers that appreciate their products. Some companies can make changes that their customers appreciate, some don't. Like a hot dog at Burger King.
I love that You do this RevZilla! Anytime I find a motorcycle product I am interested in I come to your youtube channel to see if you've reviewed it. Thank you!
I just found one on a 09 street glide I got a couple months ago. Now I’ve been looking for operating instructions. I don’t have a computer but would love to turn the dam idle down from 1000 sometimes 1200 to frickin 800. Drives me nuts. I’ve had an evo with an S&S for 15 years and have gotten used to how a Harley should sound. Except I had to fight that idle screw backing out now and then. But at least I had one. Ugggh
Looks like this is absolutely the safest bet for a stage 1 without tarnishing warranty. AND it’s tunable. Take that EPA. Sorry Harley / Screamin Eagle. Blew your motor? Unplug it and throw on the stock parts. Boom. New engine for free. 🤘🏼 exactly what I was looking for with my extended warranty. Can’t wait to wake my bike up with the cobra el diablo 2-1 exhaust, cobra 90* cone air cleaner, dk custom breather / catch can, and tune. Let’s gooooo 🤘🏼
Oh shit 3 beard I haven’t been this scared to mess with my Commander
I mounted my PCV in the same spot you guys did because there was no space under the seat! Just needed some good velcro. Anyway - it's working great and easy access to switch maps on the go with my phone.
Fucking love the beard scale 👊🏼
Question if I unplug the power commander do I have to remap it ?
I was looking for a review, not a sales pitch.
I read from some article that HD ecm do not like piggy back n fooling ecm as programed therefore the bike would shut down year layer. Is this true statement?
What the better one the pc5. Or power vision. Pros and cons
Question. So the HD ECM is expecting 1.4 Volts but the PCV shows 1.5 Volts to the ECM. How can the PCV compensate for that voltage difference so that when the bike does it's system check & see the 1.5Volts it doesn't freak out the ECM?
Ya agree what saying doc harley did review on this said it will be fine for a while but after about year will shut down because ecm won't keep agreeing with pre check on ecm
And if so what brand will I need
worked good until I put a stage 4 kit on my 103 Harley , now won't run for crap!! They had no map for a stage 4 kit on a harley
Great video, thank you. I recently bought a 2014 Street Glide with a Power Comander, however I dud not get the software with it. I still have the cable and CD from a Power Comander I purchased for a 2012 Ultra Classic. Will that CD be compatible with the newer Power Comander?
hey nice video man. I have a question. I installed the PCV and ever since my battery has been draining any idea why?
my 2004 softail has no o2 sensors at all...does the pc5 need sensors.
i avtually bought the dynojet power vision not knowing i meeded 02 sensors..basicly spent 460$ on pv and cant use it. basically 460$ brick now..
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Have a 97 FLHRI , MM efi, top end just rebuilt . new plugs,. Stock air filter, aftermarket exhaust slip ons. Fuel running rich .
any suggestions.
I’m ordering this for my Honda fury, so if I already have aftermarket exhaust and air intake by just plugging this in it’ll automatically use the best tune for this combo?
What would you recommend for 2019 Road Glide Special?
I have a Dyno jet power commander v originally bought for 2013 road glide but no longer have that bike. Would it fit a 2015 row glide? Is never been used
Do you still need a Fuel Pak FP3 after the power commander installation?
+Davis Le No, the Power Commander and the Fuelpak FP3 are both fuel controllers. You would use one or the other, not both. Keep in mind that the Fuelpak includes auto-tuning, whereas the Power Commander V for Harley requires the Dynojet Auto Tune Kit for Harley. Therefore, if your Harley is compatible with the Fuelpak FP3 and you have an Apple or Android phone/tablet, the Fuelpak 3 would be a more affordable option. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-auto-tune-kit-for-power-commander-v-for-harley
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2007-2013
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Lemmy I think your a (H.D) bikers biker . I would love to ride with you sometime . I enjoy your motorcycle reviews and hope you keep doing more. Maybe Indian & Victory & of course more Harley . Does the FP3 have ignition timing , throttle response, & Rev limiter adjustment capabilities like the PVC ? Can you use the vision commander in conjunction with the PVC for auto tuning or are they separate units?
Yes, the FP3 will allow throttle adjustments on Harleys with electronic throttles as well as rev limiter changes, but it does not allow changes to ignition timing. As for the Power Vision vs. the PCV, you cannot use them in conjunction with each other, as they're separate units. With a Power Vision, you would use the specific Auto Tuner for Power Vision. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-vision-for-harley
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-auto-tune-kit-for-power-vision-for-harley
1.) How can this be used to get best tuned performance from a modified engine in California? 2.) What is the penalty if you have it installed in CA? 3.) Seems it could be discretely installed and know one would know the difference? 4.) Can you use it to tune your engine, set maps and then remove it or must it be installed during operation of the motorcycle?
I have a pcv and we had it on the Dyno and everything was work then the pcv stopped sending info to the Dyno can I send it to dynojet and have then check it or is it done?
Possibly? I recommend contacting Dynojet to be sure though. -DrewZilla
*www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Contact/powercommander_technical_support.aspx
2003 road king 100th anniversary
Installed stage 1 kit and also 2 into 1 freedom performance exhaust side dump, what would be best suggested for tune or auto tune?
Well this mess up my warrantee on my bike? Like can I take it off before bring it to the dealership for some warranty work with out them knowing. I have it?
Yes, you can remove it before taking to a dealer, and all that will remain is your stock ECU tune. -DrewZilla
Hey thanks a lot you been a big help and hope you all have a Merry Christmas I’ll make sure I’ll buy the part form you guys
I have a 1200 sporty dynojet jet how much would it cost to map and tune it thanks.
It really depends on the shop you go to. You can call around tuning shops for quotes on dyno tuning. -DrewZilla
Does it increase your top speed, rev limiter, and speed limiter, if so, by how much?
It allows you to increase the rev limit by 500 RPM but not top speed. -DrewZilla
I ordered one for my Sporty 48. I’m newer to this stuff, is there a good install video I could watch? I’ve been trying to do an much work as I can myself, and it sounds like this product was the right choice, but I’m not very knowledgeable yet. Thanks.
We do not have a specific install video for the Sportster. The instructions provided are very detailed though. -DrewZilla
Hi, I have a question do I have to buy a power commander specifically for my bike or are they universal?
They are absolutely bike-specific/bike-family-specific. They are not universal. -DrewZilla
Thank you so much! I’m thinking about buying one for my Cbr954rr
Willis27 yes... you will be asked make, model and year of your bike
My service tech told me the bike is hesitant at around 2000 rpm’s and mentioned the power commander V can fry my Harley’s computer. He suggested I switch to the power vision. If I switched, it would cost me $200 for the license and $350 for the labor of mapping my 2017 street glide special. I have installed Vance and Hines dresser dual headers, Vance and Hines monster round slips ons and a k&n air filter. Is this necessary or should I just have the bike dyno tuned with the power commander V I already have installed? I don’t know a thing about making changes to the canned map I’m using but there was no map for the exact equipment I have on my bike.
Personally, I would stick with the Power Commander V and have it tuned. -DrewZilla
My question ❓⁉️ I have a 2003 stock ultra classic it's, fuel injected I just st added a set of Rineheart slip ons onto my bike will I need to add a power commander???
do i download maps before i hook up all wires/plugs from power commander to my bike?
You can do it either way. It's generally easier to download a map before the Power Commander is tethered to the bike though. -DrewZilla
I've got a 02 cvo road king with 103 stroker and power commander. How hard is it to hook up to PC to tune?
If you've got a laptop PC, it's not hard at all. You just connect the appropriate USB cable from the Power Commander to the laptop and then use the Power Commander software to load a new map. -DrewZilla
I just bought pcv and a screaming eagle air intake what kind of horse power increase can expect with this combo?any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated my bike is a 2012 street glide 103 thanks brother Oop.
Unfortunately there's no real way for us to accurately predict the kind of gains you should expect from a particular combination of performance parts. The tune makes the biggest difference. I would say anywhere from 5 to 10 hp is common, though. Enjoy! -TeamZilla Chris
Is this model year specufic like the fp3? I have an 04 flhrci and need a tuner
Yes, Power Commanders are model year-specific or cover a specific set of model years. Here is the correct model for you. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-touring-2002-2006
What is the best 1 for a 2006 dyna street bob??
The Power Vision is the best option for your Dyna. -DrewZilla
*bit.ly/PowerVision_StreetBob
@@RevZilla thanks man for getting back to me it is a bit expensive down here im in South Africa looking for something a bit cheaper is the cobra fi2000r fuel tuner still going to work
I just bought a 2015 Iron 883 that came with the PCV installed. I want to install an FP3 on it instead. Can I just unplug the PCV and plug in the FP3 then re tune? Or do I need to delete the Power Commander tune 1st?
If it's a Power Commander V and not the Power Vision, then you just unplug it and install an FP3 instead. -DrewZilla
RevZilla Awesome! Thanks
Do they have a map for a 2016 Low Rider S?
The Power Commander website does not yet list a map for the Low Rider S' 110" motor. -DrewZilla
They should have one now
So question if I were to get this for my bike because I am ordering a new exhaust for it and got the map and all that done. Would I want to also have the auto tuner that u can also get is it necessary and would I benefit from it? Also would the auto tuner work for a inline 3 cylinder?
i have a 2016 wide glide with vance and Hines 2-2 big radius pipes and SE stage 1 air cleaner. i have a noticeable decel pop going on. will this take car of that?
With the appropriate map, the Power Commander can help reduce popping on deceleration. For additional tuning options, you may want to consider the Vance & Hines Fuelpak FP3 as well. -DrewZilla (www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-dyna-2012-2016) (www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016)
so it seems like the top two contenders are PCV and fuelpak 3 by V&H.
are they both pretty equal? or is the PCV really worth the extra money? i can pick up a FP3 for like $320, and to get the PCV with auto tune it's like $700 for both...
In my opinion, the FP3 has made tuning much more affordable and accessible, so as long as you have an Android or Apple iOS device, I recommend the FP3. The FP3 actually offers more features (diagnostic readouts and live data). -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2016
yeah i went with the FP3. Just ordered it today. Thanks guys!
can this work on the magnetti marelli fuel injection system?
The only fitment for any of the Magneti Marelli bikes would be 1997-2001 Harley Touring that had fuel injection. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-touring-1997-2001
so you put this on your bike and leave it on?
Yes, you install it and leave it on. It's usually hidden underneath the seat. -DrewZilla
i got a 01 road king what model do u recommend?
You'd want the following linked below. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dynojet-power-commander-v-for-harley-touring-1997-2001
I can the auto tune right?
You would need the AT-300 Auto Tuner, which we don't currently have. You can get that directly from Dynojet though. -DrewZilla
Do you guys have experience of power commander V PTI box? I'm having a hard time finding a base map for my Yamaha Raptor 700R turbo.
+Hannu Vähäkuopus Did you download the "All maps file" from the Power Commander website? -DrewZilla
+RevZilla Not yet and reason for that is that when I talked with Dynojet they told me that they don't provide any turbo maps which was surprising to me.
2 to 3 beards? Dude this is a 1 a best. 2 to 3 beards would be a valve job
Added a fuel controller to a victory in 30 minutes, however the tank was already off from other work going on
Colby, Revzilla is scaling the beard based on their anticipated audience. You may be very experienced working on motorcycles but others may be just starting out. Just food for thought. :)
Yea . Super easy
Don't use the cheap ass velcro that comes with the commander ( glue stuck great but velcro did hold) it will slip off. I installed mine just as they said and the velcro didn't hold it
causing the commander to fall off and rub on the drive belt. After Dynojet told me to send it in , Dynojet wouldn't fix or replace it .
They make a good product but shouldn't expect the cheap ass velcro to hold the box. Make sure you zip tie the dam thing down.
Looking for the best option for the 2017 STREET GLIDE CVO 114 PCV or TTS or RCX's control box or anything else, I was told the harleys control's are GARBAGE!
For the CVO Street Glide, I'd go with the Vance & Hines Fuelpak FP3, as you get the fuel mapping ability of the Power Commander while adding diagnostics and auto-tuning. Additionally, Dynojet doesn't officially support the CVO model. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/vance-hines-fuelpak-fp3-autotuner-for-harley-2011-2017
Would this installation be the same if I have the coil/ignition relocation or would my crank sensor end up running to short?
Yes, installation would be the same. -DrewZilla
I already installed the screaming eagle super tuner on my 2004 FXDLI. So, do I need to get the DPC?
+Hssan ALSADIK No, if you already have a fuel tuner, you do not need the Power Commander. -DrewZilla
+RevZilla Thanks!
Although I have tuned over SE efi tuner with a powercommander.
The EPA should be abolished
We don't like California.
F* harley. Oh did I just say that? They use push rods and old tech...WTF
+Adam Kadmon while I do agree with the cruiser. my everyday vehicle is a cruiser bike.
My street bike is for the highway and canyons. And no its not practical. It's good to know the mechanics of both bikes and how they operate differently.
I would like to see a new motor design from harley using gears and such and not the push rod designs.
+Colby Butler it's called a V-Rod. The reason HD still builds bikes the way they do is because people like that.
+Guy Smiley Interesting though the Vrod uses no push rods. it's overhead cams and liquid cooled. also developed in part by Porche. so technically it's not really a true harley. it's a good bike but not retro developed
Colby Butler so, Harley should have hired the engineer that helped design the V-Rod engine, because then it would be a "true harley"? I don't understand why this is always brought as a slam against HD. It's still your non push ride HD motor. The point is that Harley produced the V-Rod and it has it's following, but doesn't appeal to all. All companies have their loyal customers that appreciate their products. Some companies can make changes that their customers appreciate, some don't. Like a hot dog at Burger King.