Great video thanks, but on the front shocks, what is the top silver adjustment? I have the BP51 setup front and back on my 3rd Gen Tacoma. Do you ever adjust the front top? Mine appears to be tightened down as far as it will go. Thanks
sounds like you're talking about the coilspring preload collar? preloading the spring more, increases ride height. but going too much isn't advised or various reasons.
Hello , I have the same bp-51 on my toyota land cruiser 120 and i am very happy with them. I will have to tell you at the top of the rear shocks there is a screwdriver hole so that use a screwdriver in the hole that keeps the shock still when we adjust it and does not turn around and wrinkle the tank hose. I hope it helped😊
I have the same issues with adjusting them. But also they are pretty awesome otherwise! They make a huge difference on long dirt road drives. I was told to cycle the adjusters regularly. I try to do it every oil change. Not sure if it helps. Not sure what to do when they need to be rebuilt. It’s free, but then I can’t use my truck! -M
Yup the adjusters are a little bit of a pain, but you are doing the right thing by cycling them on occasion. That way they can not freeze. We find these usually go about 75k miles before needing service, but the best tell is the old butt dyno. If they start to lose performance, get them in.
You guys are the best with the testing and reviews 🤙 bought my 5100s off you guys a while back quickest shipping and I’m in 🇨🇦 . waiting for my 5100 to blow up to upgrade to something with a little more juice .
Thank you for detailed video. As I spend 90% of my time on tarmac roads vs low/medium speed off-road trails, I’d be wanting a firm ride for betting handling. Do you think I could achieve this with the level of adjustment? Cheers, Steve.
I have them on my LC200. Dampening is great, rebound is too strong(even at lowest setting), and adjustments are pretty difficult to make unless my vehicles weight is taken off of the shocks(particularly the rear shocks). So for my rig, it’s been a matter of finding comfortable medium and leaving that way instead of adjusting on the fly. Really bummed out. Could just be me or my particular set of shocks tho. Will however say that I’ve heard about this same issue before.
really? that's odd, we found that rebound at the lowest setting really affected the vehicle. Is that happening more in the front or rear? lots of gear or running empty?
Great video, I just bought these 51s for the front of my Toyota Tundra. Is the spring rated for a heavy front bumber? Will i still be able to get 3" of lift?
The standard springs included should be more than enough for most bump and even winch combinations, however we do find they are much happier at the 2-2.5" lift range. Since they are position sensitive, they are a little more sensitive to lift height as they perform best when they are in the meat of the main ride zone.
No real way to give a recommendation without more specifics such as terrain, speed, amount of gear being carried. There's a guide at the bottom of this post that outlines how each setting affects driving behavior www.shocksurplus.com/blogs/news/old-man-emu-bp-51-tacoma-review If you're not going that fast, lowering the rebound helps with comfort equally as much as lowering the compression. So you're allowing the suspension to move the most with both reb/comp at their lowest settings.
Do they have these for a 1st gen Tacoma? Mine is a daily driver with occasion weekend off-roading. Usually low speeds, wash outs, rough forest roads, ect.
Set it and forget is what I am picking up?? 😅 Yikes, I just got these on my 4Runner and probably should of done more homework before purchasing. Awesome video though!
may I ask if the OME UCA provides more clearance for the reservoir hose for 4runners? I installed the BP-51 got from you this week but the factory UCA is dangerously close/in contact with the hose. The hose has the tendency to aim up, but it has to route underneath the UCA, so the bottom of the UCA surface is always pressing against the hose
Yup, the OME and just about every aftermarket upper control arm has more room. People have gotten away with the stock UCA, but as you are finding it certainly is not recommended
i usually have compression way up, rebound in the middle for the front. On the rear compression will depend on how much weight i've got in the back, but usually pretty firm, rebound typically less than the front. If we're going fast, we like to let the rear pack a bit
I would really like to see a video about shocks made for comfort best ride on normal paved roads where people really do drive everyday because after viewing many of your videos you only keep talking about mountains and rocks how about us who just are regular people doing normal driving ?? and we don't go on mountains and climb rocks . But would still like nice riding shocks...
This and most of our other reviews you have probably been watching are of off road oriented suspension systems, so we are really reviewing them with their intended purpose in mind. The vast majority of upgraded suspension packages for trucks and SUVs are designed for off road use, as that is what the overwhelming majority of people with those vehicles are upgrading their suspension for. That is not to say these and most any other kit for a Tacoma will not improve ride and handling on the road, but "regular people" doing "normal driving" do not need $3000 coilover and shock kits. In fact in most cases they are better off keeping it stock and getting a nice high quality OE replacement like a Bilstein 4600 when and if their stock shocks wear out under their ownership. th-cam.com/video/nTKEL0Xu7ZY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=C-xg7tFwwnMEp488
I'm in the process of deleting my air spring and struts on my 2009 Lexus gx470 . looking all over you-tube and the internet for some help and advice but all they talking about is LIFT MOUNTAINS AND ROCKS . Would like you to advise me on some replacement so i can get the best ride on normal driving . Thanks
Bilstein 4600s would be a perfect choice if you are just looking to keep it stock and drive it on the street. The only thing you will need is a 2003-2009 4Runner or 2007-2009 FJ Cruiser front strut mount
On the books for sure, but we will say it is going to be hard to beat the internal bypass design of the BP51 in the comfort department. The Dobinsons might take the cake in handling though since they have an adjuster just for low speed compression.
![3rd Gen Tacoma Suspension Shoot out [kind of] Bilstein vs Old Man Emu [not really]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RhbxQB7b7as/mqdefault.jpg)
I’ve been looking for this level of review for these, thanks!
Great video thanks, but on the front shocks, what is the top silver adjustment? I have the BP51 setup front and back on my 3rd Gen Tacoma. Do you ever adjust the front top? Mine appears to be tightened down as far as it will go. Thanks
sounds like you're talking about the coilspring preload collar? preloading the spring more, increases ride height. but going too much isn't advised or various reasons.
Thank You for the review. I’m considering these vs the 8100 for Tundra.
Good options, big price difference, BP51 for the trails and/or gear loadouts, 8112s for the faster environments
Hello ,
I have the same bp-51 on my toyota land cruiser 120 and i am very happy with them.
I will have to tell you at the top of the rear shocks there is a screwdriver hole so that use a screwdriver in the hole that keeps the shock still when we adjust it and does not turn around and wrinkle the tank hose.
I hope it helped😊
Yep, we found out that secret after this video, thank you for the feedback, glad you're liking the BP51s
I have the same issues with adjusting them. But also they are pretty awesome otherwise! They make a huge difference on long dirt road drives.
I was told to cycle the adjusters regularly. I try to do it every oil change. Not sure if it helps.
Not sure what to do when they need to be rebuilt. It’s free, but then I can’t use my truck!
-M
Yup the adjusters are a little bit of a pain, but you are doing the right thing by cycling them on occasion. That way they can not freeze. We find these usually go about 75k miles before needing service, but the best tell is the old butt dyno. If they start to lose performance, get them in.
@@ShockSurplus 75,000 miles is acceptable!
Very thorough and helpful review, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
You guys are the best with the testing and reviews 🤙 bought my 5100s off you guys a while back quickest shipping and I’m in 🇨🇦 . waiting for my 5100 to blow up to upgrade to something with a little more juice .
We appreciate it! push em to the limit =D
Ordered today!
awesome, from us? If so, much appreciated!
I’m saving up for these coil overs. Ty for the video. What topper and rack do you have on it?
ARE camper shell, Front Runner slimline racks. We're about to take off our BP51s soon in case you want to pick them up cheap after a rebuild
@@ShockSurplus why are you taking them off ?
Thanks for the honest feedback 👍🏻
Dobinsons MRA 3 way adjustable have been available for the Tacoma since 2019
Oh pretty recent, we're behind on testing dobinsons, but very soon!
are these shocks good for more on road and a bit off road is there a option more suitable for my drive style
Heck ya! There probably is not a "high end" coilover and shock package that can be set up for more comfort on your daily drive.
Will you do a review on dobinsons MMR 3 way? Would love to know what you think compared to old man
We have it in the books as soon as we get them in.
Thank you for detailed video. As I spend 90% of my time on tarmac roads vs low/medium speed off-road trails, I’d be wanting a firm ride for betting handling. Do you think I could achieve this with the level of adjustment? Cheers, Steve.
Most definitely! They have compression and rebound adjustment so you should be able to minimize a lot of sway while still making sure it rides great.
Plans to cover the Dobsinsons MRA/MRR?
Definitely plans for it, possibly for our 2020 Ranger
I have them on my LC200. Dampening is great, rebound is too strong(even at lowest setting), and adjustments are pretty difficult to make unless my vehicles weight is taken off of the shocks(particularly the rear shocks). So for my rig, it’s been a matter of finding comfortable medium and leaving that way instead of adjusting on the fly. Really bummed out. Could just be me or my particular set of shocks tho. Will however say that I’ve heard about this same issue before.
really? that's odd, we found that rebound at the lowest setting really affected the vehicle. Is that happening more in the front or rear? lots of gear or running empty?
Great video, I just bought these 51s for the front of my Toyota Tundra. Is the spring rated for a heavy front bumber? Will i still be able to get 3" of lift?
The standard springs included should be more than enough for most bump and even winch combinations, however we do find they are much happier at the 2-2.5" lift range. Since they are position sensitive, they are a little more sensitive to lift height as they perform best when they are in the meat of the main ride zone.
What about the Ironman foam pro. You should do a review on those
We have one pending, based on the experience we had with a staff Xterra
What's the best front and rear settings for these shocks?
No real way to give a recommendation without more specifics such as terrain, speed, amount of gear being carried. There's a guide at the bottom of this post that outlines how each setting affects driving behavior
www.shocksurplus.com/blogs/news/old-man-emu-bp-51-tacoma-review
If you're not going that fast, lowering the rebound helps with comfort equally as much as lowering the compression. So you're allowing the suspension to move the most with both reb/comp at their lowest settings.
thanks for the video., learned alot! i didn't realize there's tacoma owners who care about scratches on springs haha
Do they have these for a 1st gen Tacoma? Mine is a daily driver with occasion weekend off-roading. Usually low speeds, wash outs, rough forest roads, ect.
not for the 1st gen, but i think dobinsons has the mrr for you
are you running medium or heavy?
Set it and forget is what I am picking up?? 😅 Yikes, I just got these on my 4Runner and probably should of done more homework before purchasing. Awesome video though!
may I ask if the OME UCA provides more clearance for the reservoir hose for 4runners? I installed the BP-51 got from you this week but the factory UCA is dangerously close/in contact with the hose. The hose has the tendency to aim up, but it has to route underneath the UCA, so the bottom of the UCA surface is always pressing against the hose
Yup, the OME and just about every aftermarket upper control arm has more room. People have gotten away with the stock UCA, but as you are finding it certainly is not recommended
What is your recommended rebound and compresión for higth speed on bp51 read en front please!
i usually have compression way up, rebound in the middle for the front. On the rear compression will depend on how much weight i've got in the back, but usually pretty firm, rebound typically less than the front.
If we're going fast, we like to let the rear pack a bit
Are you running e ply tires?
This Tacoma has gone through about 3 sets of bfg tako2, which are c load
I would really like to see a video about shocks made for comfort best ride on normal paved roads where people really do drive everyday
because after viewing many of your videos you only keep talking about mountains and rocks how about us who just are regular people
doing normal driving ?? and we don't go on mountains and climb rocks . But would still like nice riding shocks...
This and most of our other reviews you have probably been watching are of off road oriented suspension systems, so we are really reviewing them with their intended purpose in mind. The vast majority of upgraded suspension packages for trucks and SUVs are designed for off road use, as that is what the overwhelming majority of people with those vehicles are upgrading their suspension for. That is not to say these and most any other kit for a Tacoma will not improve ride and handling on the road, but "regular people" doing "normal driving" do not need $3000 coilover and shock kits. In fact in most cases they are better off keeping it stock and getting a nice high quality OE replacement like a Bilstein 4600 when and if their stock shocks wear out under their ownership. th-cam.com/video/nTKEL0Xu7ZY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=C-xg7tFwwnMEp488
I'm in the process of deleting my air spring and struts on my 2009 Lexus gx470 .
looking all over you-tube and the internet for some help and advice but all they talking about is LIFT MOUNTAINS AND ROCKS .
Would like you to advise me on some replacement so i can get the best ride on normal driving .
Thanks
Bilstein 4600s would be a perfect choice if you are just looking to keep it stock and drive it on the street. The only thing you will need is a 2003-2009 4Runner or 2007-2009 FJ Cruiser front strut mount
I want this for a fj80 were can I buy them ?
Right here : www.shocksurplus.com/products/old-man-emu-bp-51-internal-bypass-reservoir-shocks-set-for-1990-1997-toyota-land-cruiser-80-wagon-4wd
Dobinson MMR (MRA) vs BP51
On the books for sure, but we will say it is going to be hard to beat the internal bypass design of the BP51 in the comfort department. The Dobinsons might take the cake in handling though since they have an adjuster just for low speed compression.