"Revenge, lust, ambition, PRIDE, and self-will are too often exalted as the gods of man's idolatry; while holiness, peace, contentment, and humility are viewed as unworthy of a serious thought". -Charles Spurgeon
Unless the objective was always to create a problem, then offer a solution to that problem. Whoever "unlocks" a cure would also unlock the hearts and minds of the people 👻
So this is the first example in science of what a paradigm shift between a reductionist approach and a holistic idealistic approach looks like. It is amazing. We've been looking for this in scientific research. I think the consensus was it would occur in physics, Quantum phys ics first, not biology. Michael's work is a practical expression of a philosophical shift and thought and understanding. Congratulations Michael! Thank you Hans for making it available. And, I admire Bernardo for not being dogmatic about the fine details of analytic idealism but rather allow the process of collective thought to occur among all of us.
@@thomasdavies2555 Sure, the interviewer could have pushed back on him, but that doesn't appear to be the purpose of the interview. It could have easily been longer, as it was fairly short by the standards of podcasts. I think this was just for him to state his case. I'm sure as this becomes more well-known and clinical applications become more widespread, he will have LOTS of challenges from the scientific establishment. It's already used in some hospitals right now, including the University of Toronto, close to where I live, except they call it "Biomedical Systems Engineering". To avoid the label, I guess. I've been treated there with bioelectric medicine for various problems, and it's pretty amazing stuff. I didn't really know what was happening other than we all have electrical fields that promote healing, but it worked. If it became 100x better, based on the results I got in terms of healing old injuries and 20 years of back pain, including cartilage regeneration, it could basically restore our bodies to a youthful state. IF it was 100x better. Which it is not. Unfortunately. Yet.
This idea of seeing and managing things from the field resonance image level rather than flipping digits in DNA strands is an amazing step forward to actually understanding what's going on
@@Sokofeather He's doing this on frogs right now, but it appears that it's a way to leapfrog (wink) a lot of what we don't know at the molecular level because the body already 'knows' how to heal itself. That's not saying we _can't_ understand things at the molecular level, but that maybe we don't need to.
analytic idealism is another version of crass materialism - they simply put bits of intelligence in the blobs of matter... like materialists have always done but without saying it
Materialism has gotten us very far externally, it's just a damn shame that we pursued that paradigm entirely. One Buddhist teacher who is versed in history said the Reformation made the Catholic Church start fighting for itself, which destroyed the strong contemplative traditions of Christianity before that. There is an alternate history where the Reformation did not happen, and as the Scientific Revolution proceeded, it was informed by Catholicism's tradition of 'looking inward' and we researched both outwards AND inwards. Then when the Industrial Revolution started, both vastly accelerated simultaneously. So Michael Levin would be mainstream today and we would be in a way less precarious state as a civilization, without the bizarre contrast between being able to instantaneously have this conversation from anywhere in the world on a magical box, then vote for Donald Trump. Huh?
I've heard another bio astrologist suggest that the thing that drives life is the thing that animats the universe a.k.a. light. All energy is either light or stored light. "Let there be light!"
A bonus thanks for assembling that nice summary with clips up front! Cancer cells incorporate micro fungal spores that create a competing bio electrics. See Mark Lintern’s The Cancer Resolution?
Micheal Levin mentions Mark Solms at the end…in my humble opinion, The Hidden Spring is one of the most important and accessible books for the layman on consciousness ever written. After watching this interview, I will now follow Micheal Levin with the same interest, gratitude, and respect. What a mind, what explanatory power.
“Comprehend and copy nature” Viktor Schauberger It is wonderful to see that someone in “scientific” fields is finally understanding this concept and using it to make ground breaking discoveries which will ultimately better all of mankind. Considering Viktor gave us this insight a hundred years ago, it’s about bloody time!! Hopefully Michael’s amazing discovery will be listened to and utilized by the rest of his colleagues to further our understanding of this environment we find ourselves existing in!! “Paradigm shifts” are difficult to usher in, in today’s world because science has become more of a dogmatic environment instead of an environment of observation and experimentation as it should be.
Thank you for featuring Michael Levin! I've been a fan of Dr. Levin's work for many years, ever since I stumbled upon his research exploring the fascinating intersection of biology and information theory. It's been a major source of inspiration for me, constantly challenging my assumptions about life and intelligence. I've been recommending his papers to friends and colleagues for years, eager to share the profound insights they offer. I'm thrilled to see him featured here, reaching a wider audience. This interview is a must-watch for anyone interested in not just the future of biology and medicine, but the future of our understanding of life itself. Dr. Levin's work offers a glimpse into a truly transformative paradigm, one that could revolutionize how we approach everything from regenerative medicine to artificial intelligence.
I think Michael has the most promising framework of cognitive systems and consciousness. Distinction between life and non life starts to fade under this model and for me personally, intuitively feels right.
Yes, top-down science is real. It is hard to talk to people about non-reductionist science because it is a foreign concept to many people. Very excited for Dr. Levin's research to continue.
Under stress, the DNA stretches and thus becomes more susceptible to diseases! Meditation, like sleep, helps to keep the DNA small in its original form, so it doesn't make it susceptible to disease! Bioelectricity is also a huge topic for me and this video has hit me like a bomb! I have been dealing with the pineal gland for 15 years and am chasing a phenomenon that I had during a meditation in 2010. That's why I started a group on Facebook in the hope that people would support me in explaining/being able to understand my phenomenon! Dr. Joe Dispenza gave me the answer to my phenomenon half a year ago, because since this event the distribution/composition of the chemistry in my head, which the pineal gland tacts, probably changed! Since then I feel like a twenty-year-old with my 67 years! I'm just writing this because I think you can explain it better❗️💚🇨🇭
Such a fantastic interview. I never cease to be amazed at the implications of Michael's research. At the 50 minute mark when he had just explained how cancer cells detach from their neighbor cells and were successfully reoriented in the frog model he mentions implications for therapeutics. You then turned the conversation toward mind meld and consciousness (which was great too) but my primary interest is in the cancer therapeutic potential and how that is being studied and tested and designed into clinical trials, as I have a son with brain cancer. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.
The television series "60 Minutes" put up a video on TH-cam explaining a highly successful cancer therapy using the cold virus and the polio virus injected directly into the tumor.. My understanding was the poliovirus eats the tumor and then the cold virus kills the poliovirus. This therapy was first used on a terminal brain tumor cancer patient. The patient was cured. After which 100 more people were treated with the same protocol and the survival rate was very high. The young lady went on to college and specialized in oncology therapy. I viewed this 60 minutes video about 1 year ago. Too late to save my fiance who died of multiple brain tumors. Two rounds of targeted radiation therapy destroyed Her brain tissue and she said, " no more ". She went from brilliant to barely being able to speak because of the radiation damage to her brain tissue. I hope this helps saves someone from suffering and death. You never hear about this therapy. Wonder why? Love you all my brothers and sisters.
Check earthing, red light therapy, be exposed so much as possible to natural light and sun (be aware of the damage that artificial blue lights cause on us), be well nourished (check all the vitamin and mineral levels and adress them to the functional levels, not the lab levels), check the emotions/stress… it‘s a sum of factors which contribute to the cell voltage. I hope it helps…!
This is a fantastic discussion, thank you. I have had significant transcendental experiences where my direct experience was that I am beyond the body, in fact, beyond space and time, yes, we are actually outside of space and time and limitless. I have never used drugs, and I was an atheist. My point is, when he mentioned training the rat to enable the rat to do what you want means you don’t need to understand the mechanisms downstream from the brain, the rat will take care of all of the downstream processes without even knowing it. This is how miracles work, we see them as miracles because we don’t understand the processes and we think we need to understand them. I hope that makes sense, but if it doesn’t try not to disregard it, accept that you don’t understand or even believe it, compartmentalise it and put it aside and accept the possibility of it being true so that your mind is open, this openness will help information flow to help contemplate reaching an understanding.
What is in this view even more mind-blowing than before is the behavior of immune cells, macrophages for example. They swim and crawl through the body like and individual, still being friends with the body.
I think he’s just a mainstream guy who’s renowned but probably off on a lot of core things but had a very aggressive person he knew to push the theory. I don’t really think a lot of this is the same to what Darwin pushed.
Fascinating new paradigm. Thank you for this interview, both of you. It can be that ego-dissolution and the feeling of Oneness is equivalent to this cancercells reconnecting with the whole. That would connect philosophy of consciousness under idealism with the bio-electric cognitive glue - theory of Michael Levin. It's a beautiful idea.
Thank you so much for this wonderful conversation. Michael’s final comment on consciousness is very important. In terms of additional questions, please pick up on those one’s that you presented and Michael said that this would need a separate conversation.
We are so blinded by the collective paradigm of our society (well, both helped and blinded… but blinded to the limitations). Here we are conscious beings-and we are trained to look outward to material answers for our conscious experience. I’ve found that this is why deep introspection and shadow-work is so important. Even for a “material” scientist they are only as effective as their attitudes-their own conscious lens or mirror-will allow. Meditation and contemplation are vitally important methods to make the way to truly comprehend.
Materialism has gotten us very far externally, it's just a damn shame that we pursued that paradigm entirely. One Buddhist teacher who is versed in history said the Reformation made the Catholic Church start fighting for itself, which destroyed the strong contemplative traditions of Christianity before that. There is an alternate history where the Reformation did not happen, and as the Scientific Revolution proceeded, it was informed by Catholicism's tradition of 'looking inward' and we researched both outwards AND inwards. Then when the Industrial Revolution started, both vastly accelerated simultaneously. So Michael Levin would be mainstream today and we would be in a way less precarious state as a civilization, without the bizarre contrast between being able to instantaneously have this conversation from anywhere in the world on a magical box, then vote for Donald Trump. Huh?
This is truly amazing!!!! Im so honored to be able to witness this moment in history! I love you guys! You materialize what i envisioned a while ago. Thank you
Very interesting concept, despite not new to me. Being a Biochemist w8th background in molecular biology, epigenetics, neuro-regenerstion and elektroohysioligy, my question would be: How would you distingish if the major driving factor of communications or a certain grad of conciousness between a certain group of bacterial or body cells respectively, would rather be by biochemical signallings or your electochemicsl signals?
I’m so glad I found this channel! This was absolutely incredible. I would be so interested to hear more from Michael and the implications you touched upon towards the end of the conversation.
What common does this bioelectricity have with Rife machine, if any? Cell resonanse frequency can destroy the cell, like a vine glass shattering. So what i a signal you send to the cells?
Fantastic on so many levels not just the switching off of the cancer cell but what it tells about the cooperative nature of the human cell. Of life. And for me that resonates all through human existence and probably why the human species has survived this long even after major catastrophic disasters on this planet. Well done and how beautifully spiritual this proven reality also is. Explains so much about us and let’s expand our knowledge and experiments though practical and observable may also be possible through meditation. Why not both?
Amazing! I love this. At 37 min he talks about the difficulty of micromanaging the biochemical reactions in order to produce the desired morphology - this has wonderful connections to software development, where attempting to decide and micromanage all the lower level development required to produce an overall product (or set of software behaviours) is extremely difficult and rarely effective,. whereas keeping in mind always the top level set of behaviours and working towards them always is much more effective, resilient and forgiving of errors, like trying to minimise the error between current behaviour and desired behaviour. That sort of top-down development seems to me to work very much like his description of evolution, as a search through the platonic space of forms for the correct lower level configuration that will produce as close as possible the desired form or behaviour. I don't know how much of this is my imagination, but I also find that when you follow the top-down strategy it's amazing how often you also get "free" advantageous behaviours that you didn't expect or code for, often they are just one-step away from a very problematic behaviour, but they "fall out" of it and are much more stable. If you try to code everything from the bottom-up, if you could even think of it all, he systems you develop are usually much more complex and fragile.
Thank you for post this interesting conversation. One subject I find particularly fascinating is the exploration of how consciousness could exist in artificial intelligence, especially given that, at this point, we still know so little about the nature of consciousness itself.
basically yes, but Chi-practitioners base their knowledge on centuries of not-so-sophisticated practice and medieval-level of understanding, instead of ruthlessly perusing scientific understanding. 10 years of applied methodical and scientific approach in any domain is worth 100 years of day-to-day practice that does not seek insight and understanding instead focusing on custom. All those body-mind-energy-aura type of people are correct to say that those things exist, but they can't really explain how they work, because they never tried to probe deeper for any meaningful understanding of the processes involved. That's why it's often a domain of mystics rather than scientist, though scientist certainly had dropped the ball on this one by laughing at the mystic folks instead of investigating the phenomena in a more rigorous way themselves.
@@charliepan4055 As far as I know, Ch, Ki, and Qi are different spellings for the same word. I have read that Prana is the same thing, as well some other words from other languages. I suspect that Orgone is the same as Chi. Scalar energy is not Chi, it is longitudinal waves in the ambient electric field. Chinese tradition says that Chi comes from the stars, and I conjecture that Chi is the energy of the Nuclear Strong Force that is released by fission in the stars. I also suggest that Chi accumulates in any repeating pattern in any medium, for example in the twisted-ladder patterns of DNA strands. Hence, live bodies are enveloped in - and saturated with - Chi. That makes the chakras, meridians, auras, etc. So, if those are bio-electric fields or effects, then either Chi and Bio-electricity are identical or are strongly related (similar to electricity and magnetism, perhaps).
consciousness is the substratum of existence. pure potential. aka love. all forms are patterns of this substratum. Michael's work is beautiful and is in accordance with the ancient Vedic texts on the Koshas
This sounds like what Alfred North Whitehead worked out in philosophy over a hundred years ago... but then... and since then... Ideas that are not politically acceptable are not accepted without experimental evidence, and experiments are not done because the idea is not acceptable. So grateful for thinkers who break the mold.
Isn't this showing the relationship between us individually and the human collective. Our individuality is important needs to remain in continuity and communication with those about us. Yet, if the collective is out of alignment, it takes strong individuals to restore the alignment, the light houses.
I haven’t heard about this topic before and this just came up on my feed… but 2 minutes in hacking bioelectricity makes complete sense since the entire body works essentially by electric and chemical reactions.
What a great conversation! Thank you. In particular, I love his definition or explanation about consciousness that's not only in the brain but in other parts of the body as well.
Great interview. The concept that we are part of a larger intelligence isn't new. "As above so below" describes this. The works of Alice Bailey, for example "Esoteric Astrology" hinges on this postulate and highlights the interconnectedness of the universe as a whole, not only physically as in Newtonian physics, but also in consciousness, different levels of consciousness, eventually synthesizing in Oneness. Here is where science starts to synthesize with spirituality. The most sophisticated ancient philosophies like the Hindu, Egyptian, etc have always said that reality is consciousness. Consciousness (higher level states of vibration) dictate and shape the more dense states, such as the physical, which is a lower form of consciousness. So its a top down approach, not the down-top evolutionary approach traditional science postulates. Everything in the physical happens according to preexisting blueprints held in higher consciousnesses "above" and materialize "down". Likewise, we have a higher aspect, unrealized by our normal human level consciousness we have realized, so we identify closer to the physical side of things, ignoring there are deeper and higher causal aspects within us, as with the universe. Some people call it the Monad, the higher self, etc. Note the correspondence between the unselfish cells acting in harmony creating a healthy body, as opposed to a selfish cancerous cell disrupting the body. Sounds exactly like old spiritual wisdom about humans within the planet: Unselfishness, cooperation, service vs self-serving ego and sense of separation. As above so below. A good place to link these two supposed opposites of science and spirituality can be found in the writings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and her "Theosophy", which is defined as "The synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy". Somewhere in that synthesis truth can be found, is the proposition.
This goes along with the paradigm shift we see happening right now with how we think the universe works…not through matter and gravity, - but through electricity and plasma. As below, so above!
This is fascinating. I've been working on signal processing, nested signals. I've been working on this to solve the arc challenge, but now I realize that this is very important for biology. If we can solve this, if we can learn to decode signal, we could do amazing things.
Yes. I'm an economist and if we can figure this out, it has implications for markets, economies, peoples bound together by the cognitive glues of prices, contracts, relationships and work en masse towards collective ends the parts aren't necessarily aware of, but which benefit them. Hot take: Mike is becoming to biology what Adam Smith was to econ... but he is kind of becoming to econ what Adam Smith was to econ, too 😂.
I am excited to see Dr. Levin's work with Dr. Solms. I am curious on this idea of scaling and emergent properties and how individual cells scale all the way up to the psychological experience of the self and regards to mental health. Could there be a causal link betweens ones state of psychological being, towards aversive physiological affects? Such as consistent state of depression, over time the cells see the collected whole (self) as diminishing and making it feasible to reduce an organization (scaling down) to a lower state of goal directedness, "This host is depressed, lets cast off and become another independent conglomerate aka a cancerous mass?"
Wow, thanks for this amazing Interview! A question from me for a possible next one would be: is he aware of the global consciousness project? If yes, this seems to be a good experimental approach for the hypothesis of the existance of a global mind, being more or less in sync regarding meaning, attributed to global Events. Thanks!
A little bit more brain and you realize the internet does not only consist of native English speaking people who learned English since they were born. Greetings from a polish guy living in Germany. And yes. I don't like grammar Nazis. Do you feel superior now? Good for you
Every time we think we are getting to the bottom of biology, we turn a corner and see the landscape unfold into a vaster area than we had ever imagined. The latent space of unfamiliar incarnations of familiar cells seems... dizzyingly vast.
Thank you, fascinating... Plaronic space & bioelectricity (maybe same as zero point field?) morphogenic evolution made me think of nature's fractals, and the whole conversation re scale (holons)... wonderful conversation
We need to find a way to apply these ideas to humans ASAP. Too many people are suffering and dying from cancer. And I do wish is that Dr. Levin would acknowledge the history of bio-electricity such as Robert Becker’s work with limb regeneration in salamanders and plenary worms.
I am thinking that we can think our body parts into regrowing themselves again. I am willing to be part of a test group on regrouping body parts. Michael I believe you are quite correct in your presentation.
Wow, that was amazing information! And a beautiful way of seeing problems from a different and very fresh perspective. I am eager to know how his studies advance.
Good information let’s hope this leads to a cure. Also,I’m getting Dr. Drew commercials at points in this video and they sound remarkably similar. Thank you
You aproach to cancer cells, performing this kind of "mind melt" which you could force to stop. It should indeed work your oncogene or direct stress-induced oncogenesis. If otherwise cells get their mitochondria damged due to long lasting metabolic stress as a cause of wrong nutriziln patterns, your technique might help as well. This connects with the Work of Prof. Thomas Seyfert or Jasung Fung (see CanceRevolution documentary) that wrong nutrition over years might induce cancer by causing too much mitochondira degradation. And then it basically doesnt matter which type of cancer since all of thos cells share the same hall marks of mobile, high-proliferating and hungry cells that got themselves re-programmed in to an early single cell state - the same for each cancer type. That why something like a ketogenic diet helps to weaken and starve thise cells. Would be great to combine your approach with metabol8c stress relief
I didn't understand the difference between "anatomical space" and 3-dimensional space" in the discussion of gap junctions. Seems they are the same thing since anatomy IS a 3-dimentioned thing...or is it?
Very interesting. Makes it seem almost like those kookie people with the "magnetic bracelets" and stuff for healing might have been onto something - _even if that SPECIFIC idea_ does not work by being too simplistic, they may have intuited correctly a new modality of medicine where that manipulation of electromagnetic fields _in some fashion_ could be used to treat and cure disease.
This is why i constantly tell people to stop taking theory as the only truth. in every science and they just dont get it. inability to think for themselves. oh well. salute to Mr. Levin for not being afraid to try to replace the old bullshit. we have to move forward in every way possible.
take pride in being one of the best breakout frontier science channels on TH-cam and thank you.
"Revenge, lust, ambition, PRIDE, and self-will are too often exalted as the gods of man's idolatry; while holiness, peace, contentment, and humility are viewed as unworthy of a serious thought".
-Charles Spurgeon
Yes I am watching every episode now for a while. What a gift!
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It's called Grounding.
Just go out and stand barefoot in the grass every day. And you'll notice the same positive effects.
@@Bea-wb9uk Google anthrobots mending neuronal tissue “ and try to keep your awe in check.
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I don't think I've ever started watching a Michael Levin video and not finished it. Love this dude
This interaction must also be one of the best as the questions and answers are illuminating, concise and even I can understand!
Important to keep this guy safe, cancer is a big income for some people ....
Good point.
This
Noooo, corporations like OpenAI, Boeing and others would never kill people to prevent the human race from progressing???
Unless the objective was always to create a problem, then offer a solution to that problem. Whoever "unlocks" a cure would also unlock the hearts and minds of the people 👻
So this is the first example in science of what a paradigm shift between a reductionist approach and a holistic idealistic approach looks like. It is amazing. We've been looking for this in scientific research. I think the consensus was it would occur in physics, Quantum phys ics first, not biology. Michael's work is a practical expression of a philosophical shift and thought and understanding. Congratulations Michael! Thank you Hans for making it available. And, I admire Bernardo for not being dogmatic about the fine details of analytic idealism but rather allow the process of collective thought to occur among all of us.
@@thomasdavies2555 Sure, the interviewer could have pushed back on him, but that doesn't appear to be the purpose of the interview. It could have easily been longer, as it was fairly short by the standards of podcasts. I think this was just for him to state his case. I'm sure as this becomes more well-known and clinical applications become more widespread, he will have LOTS of challenges from the scientific establishment. It's already used in some hospitals right now, including the University of Toronto, close to where I live, except they call it "Biomedical Systems Engineering". To avoid the label, I guess.
I've been treated there with bioelectric medicine for various problems, and it's pretty amazing stuff. I didn't really know what was happening other than we all have electrical fields that promote healing, but it worked. If it became 100x better, based on the results I got in terms of healing old injuries and 20 years of back pain, including cartilage regeneration, it could basically restore our bodies to a youthful state. IF it was 100x better. Which it is not. Unfortunately. Yet.
This idea of seeing and managing things from the field resonance image level rather than flipping digits in DNA strands is an amazing step forward to actually understanding what's going on
@@Sokofeather He's doing this on frogs right now, but it appears that it's a way to leapfrog (wink) a lot of what we don't know at the molecular level because the body already 'knows' how to heal itself.
That's not saying we _can't_ understand things at the molecular level, but that maybe we don't need to.
analytic idealism is another version of crass materialism - they simply put bits of intelligence in the blobs of matter... like materialists have always done but without saying it
Materialism has gotten us very far externally, it's just a damn shame that we pursued that paradigm entirely. One Buddhist teacher who is versed in history said the Reformation made the Catholic Church start fighting for itself, which destroyed the strong contemplative traditions of Christianity before that.
There is an alternate history where the Reformation did not happen, and as the Scientific Revolution proceeded, it was informed by Catholicism's tradition of 'looking inward' and we researched both outwards AND inwards. Then when the Industrial Revolution started, both vastly accelerated simultaneously.
So Michael Levin would be mainstream today and we would be in a way less precarious state as a civilization, without the bizarre contrast between being able to instantaneously have this conversation from anywhere in the world on a magical box, then vote for Donald Trump. Huh?
I've heard another bio astrologist suggest that the thing that drives life is the thing that animats the universe a.k.a. light. All energy is either light or stored light. "Let there be light!"
God wants us to live
A bonus thanks for assembling that nice summary with clips up front! Cancer cells incorporate micro fungal spores that create a competing bio electrics. See Mark Lintern’s The Cancer Resolution?
Micheal Levin mentions Mark Solms at the end…in my humble opinion, The Hidden Spring is one of the most important and accessible books for the layman on consciousness ever written. After watching this interview, I will now follow Micheal Levin with the same interest, gratitude, and respect. What a mind, what explanatory power.
Thank you, I'm going to check that book out.
It's free on audible. Just downloaded it.
Thanks, I’m going to check it out as well
“Comprehend and copy nature”
Viktor Schauberger
It is wonderful to see that someone in “scientific” fields is finally understanding this concept and using it to make ground breaking discoveries which will ultimately better all of mankind. Considering Viktor gave us this insight a hundred years ago, it’s about bloody time!! Hopefully Michael’s amazing discovery will be listened to and utilized by the rest of his colleagues to further our understanding of this environment we find ourselves existing in!! “Paradigm shifts” are difficult to usher in, in today’s world because science has become more of a dogmatic environment instead of an environment of observation and experimentation as it should be.
Thank you for featuring Michael Levin! I've been a fan of Dr. Levin's work for many years, ever since I stumbled upon his research exploring the fascinating intersection of biology and information theory. It's been a major source of inspiration for me, constantly challenging my assumptions about life and intelligence. I've been recommending his papers to friends and colleagues for years, eager to share the profound insights they offer. I'm thrilled to see him featured here, reaching a wider audience. This interview is a must-watch for anyone interested in not just the future of biology and medicine, but the future of our understanding of life itself. Dr. Levin's work offers a glimpse into a truly transformative paradigm, one that could revolutionize how we approach everything from regenerative medicine to artificial intelligence.
The winds of grace are always blowing but one needs to raise the sail
I like that
Why not? Fascinating none the less, either way.
And how much wind is in a blackhole again?
Michael Levin is a game changing genius.
@@alce-dinidaefigure it out
I think Michael has the most promising framework of cognitive systems and consciousness. Distinction between life and non life starts to fade under this model and for me personally, intuitively feels right.
yeah it's amazing. check out joscha bach, he is reaching similar conclusions
Levin is a true genius.
Yes, top-down science is real. It is hard to talk to people about non-reductionist science because it is a foreign concept to many people. Very excited for Dr. Levin's research to continue.
One of the most important developments of understanding how our body and mind works, thank you.
Under stress, the DNA stretches and thus becomes more susceptible to diseases! Meditation, like sleep, helps to keep the DNA small in its original form, so it doesn't make it susceptible to disease! Bioelectricity is also a huge topic for me and this video has hit me like a bomb! I have been dealing with the pineal gland for 15 years and am chasing a phenomenon that I had during a meditation in 2010. That's why I started a group on Facebook in the hope that people would support me in explaining/being able to understand my phenomenon! Dr. Joe Dispenza gave me the answer to my phenomenon half a year ago, because since this event the distribution/composition of the chemistry in my head, which the pineal gland tacts, probably changed! Since then I feel like a twenty-year-old with my 67 years! I'm just writing this because I think you can explain it better❗️💚🇨🇭
Such a fantastic interview. I never cease to be amazed at the implications of Michael's research. At the 50 minute mark when he had just explained how cancer cells detach from their neighbor cells and were successfully reoriented in the frog model he mentions implications for therapeutics. You then turned the conversation toward mind meld and consciousness (which was great too) but my primary interest is in the cancer therapeutic potential and how that is being studied and tested and designed into clinical trials, as I have a son with brain cancer. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.
The television series "60 Minutes" put up a video on TH-cam explaining a highly successful cancer therapy using the cold virus and the polio virus injected directly into the tumor.. My understanding was the poliovirus eats the tumor and then the cold virus kills the poliovirus.
This therapy was first used on a terminal brain tumor cancer patient. The patient was cured. After which 100 more people were treated with the same protocol and the survival rate was very high. The young lady went on to college and specialized in oncology therapy.
I viewed this 60 minutes video about 1 year ago. Too late to save my fiance who died of multiple brain tumors. Two rounds of targeted radiation therapy destroyed Her brain tissue and she said, " no more ".
She went from brilliant to barely being able to speak because of the radiation damage to her brain tissue.
I hope this helps saves someone from suffering and death. You never hear about this therapy. Wonder why? Love you all my brothers and sisters.
Check earthing, red light therapy, be exposed so much as possible to natural light and sun (be aware of the damage that artificial blue lights cause on us), be well nourished (check all the vitamin and mineral levels and adress them to the functional levels, not the lab levels), check the emotions/stress… it‘s a sum of factors which contribute to the cell voltage. I hope it helps…!
Also check into fenbendazole as well as fasting. Hugs!
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This is a fantastic discussion, thank you.
I have had significant transcendental experiences where my direct experience was that I am beyond the body, in fact, beyond space and time, yes, we are actually outside of space and time and limitless. I have never used drugs, and I was an atheist.
My point is, when he mentioned training the rat to enable the rat to do what you want means you don’t need to understand the mechanisms downstream from the brain, the rat will take care of all of the downstream processes without even knowing it. This is how miracles work, we see them as miracles because we don’t understand the processes and we think we need to understand them.
I hope that makes sense, but if it doesn’t try not to disregard it, accept that you don’t understand or even believe it, compartmentalise it and put it aside and accept the possibility of it being true so that your mind is open, this openness will help information flow to help contemplate reaching an understanding.
What is in this view even more mind-blowing than before is the behavior of immune cells, macrophages for example. They swim and crawl through the body like and individual, still being friends with the body.
Big respect to Prof Micheal Levin and his team wishing you ppl the best 🍀
Mind blown. That is hard to do to me. I can not wait to see what comes out of both of you in the next 5 years.
Calling it now, Michael Levin is the Charles Darwin of our time. Greatest living scientist right now in my opinion
Darwin was thick. He robbed his ideas from other people.
@moesypittounikos You robbed this comment from a troll under a bridge
I think he’s just a mainstream guy who’s renowned but probably off on a lot of core things but had a very aggressive person he knew to push the theory. I don’t really think a lot of this is the same to what Darwin pushed.
As much as he may identify with those ideas I don’t really know if it’s the same thing in terms of what leads to the creation and genesis of things.
@@sapiosuicide1552 I couldn't have said it better myself.
Fascinating new paradigm. Thank you for this interview, both of you. It can be that ego-dissolution and the feeling of Oneness is equivalent to this cancercells reconnecting with the whole. That would connect philosophy of consciousness under idealism with the bio-electric cognitive glue - theory of Michael Levin. It's a beautiful idea.
Thank you so much for this wonderful conversation. Michael’s final comment on consciousness is very important.
In terms of additional questions, please pick up on those one’s that you presented and Michael said that this would need a separate conversation.
This conversation was incredibly illuminating. One vote up for more talks with him. Amazing.
We are so blinded by the collective paradigm of our society (well, both helped and blinded… but blinded to the limitations). Here we are conscious beings-and we are trained to look outward to material answers for our conscious experience. I’ve found that this is why deep introspection and shadow-work is so important. Even for a “material” scientist they are only as effective as their attitudes-their own conscious lens or mirror-will allow. Meditation and contemplation are vitally important methods to make the way to truly comprehend.
Materialism has gotten us very far externally, it's just a damn shame that we pursued that paradigm entirely. One Buddhist teacher who is versed in history said the Reformation made the Catholic Church start fighting for itself, which destroyed the strong contemplative traditions of Christianity before that.
There is an alternate history where the Reformation did not happen, and as the Scientific Revolution proceeded, it was informed by Catholicism's tradition of 'looking inward' and we researched both outwards AND inwards. Then when the Industrial Revolution started, both vastly accelerated simultaneously.
So Michael Levin would be mainstream today and we would be in a way less precarious state as a civilization, without the bizarre contrast between being able to instantaneously have this conversation from anywhere in the world on a magical box, then vote for Donald Trump. Huh?
Imagine a world run by legally blind humans?#photon#lawofone
This makes me think of mycorrhizal networks that plants utilize.
Yep
Oh man, we need to get Levin & Stamets together, there could be fire in that combination...
This is truly amazing!!!! Im so honored to be able to witness this moment in history! I love you guys! You materialize what i envisioned a while ago. Thank you
A patient saved is profit lost.
Very interesting concept, despite not new to me.
Being a Biochemist w8th background in molecular biology, epigenetics, neuro-regenerstion and elektroohysioligy, my question would be:
How would you distingish if the major driving factor of communications or a certain grad of conciousness between a certain group of bacterial or body cells respectively, would rather be by biochemical signallings or your electochemicsl signals?
Michael Levin never fails to blow my mind, I hope his work finds the limelight 🎉
Let's hope he gets enough funding to pursue everything he wants... but not enough funding to be distracted by the incentives of the funders.
I’m so glad I found this channel! This was absolutely incredible. I would be so interested to hear more from Michael and the implications you touched upon towards the end of the conversation.
What common does this bioelectricity have with Rife machine, if any? Cell resonanse frequency can destroy the cell, like a vine glass shattering. So what i a signal you send to the cells?
I'd like to see various Rife frequencies-cells-bacterial combinations being researched using the same methodology as in this showcased research.
His actions (experiments) speak loud and clear.
Fantastic on so many levels not just the switching off of the cancer cell but what it tells about the cooperative nature of the human cell. Of life. And for me that resonates all through human existence and probably why the human species has survived this long even after major catastrophic disasters on this planet. Well done and how beautifully spiritual this proven reality also is. Explains so much about us and let’s expand our knowledge and experiments though practical and observable may also be possible through meditation. Why not both?
Amazing! I love this. At 37 min he talks about the difficulty of micromanaging the biochemical reactions in order to produce the desired morphology - this has wonderful connections to software development, where attempting to decide and micromanage all the lower level development required to produce an overall product (or set of software behaviours) is extremely difficult and rarely effective,. whereas keeping in mind always the top level set of behaviours and working towards them always is much more effective, resilient and forgiving of errors, like trying to minimise the error between current behaviour and desired behaviour. That sort of top-down development seems to me to work very much like his description of evolution, as a search through the platonic space of forms for the correct lower level configuration that will produce as close as possible the desired form or behaviour. I don't know how much of this is my imagination, but I also find that when you follow the top-down strategy it's amazing how often you also get "free" advantageous behaviours that you didn't expect or code for, often they are just one-step away from a very problematic behaviour, but they "fall out" of it and are much more stable. If you try to code everything from the bottom-up, if you could even think of it all, he systems you develop are usually much more complex and fragile.
Phenomenal Chanel. Keep the good work 💯
Thanks!
Thank you for post this interesting conversation. One subject I find particularly fascinating is the exploration of how consciousness could exist in artificial intelligence, especially given that, at this point, we still know so little about the nature of consciousness itself.
Dr. Levin is absolutely not suicidal.
Is bio-electricity the same as Chi? Chi resonates in patterns in all media, for example in the twisted-ladder pattern of DNA strands.
Do you mean chi or ki,prana,jing, shakti, kundalini, orana, wakan, baraka, ether, orgone, sekhem, lung or bioenergy?
basically yes, but Chi-practitioners base their knowledge on centuries of not-so-sophisticated practice and medieval-level of understanding, instead of ruthlessly perusing scientific understanding. 10 years of applied methodical and scientific approach in any domain is worth 100 years of day-to-day practice that does not seek insight and understanding instead focusing on custom.
All those body-mind-energy-aura type of people are correct to say that those things exist, but they can't really explain how they work, because they never tried to probe deeper for any meaningful understanding of the processes involved. That's why it's often a domain of mystics rather than scientist, though scientist certainly had dropped the ball on this one by laughing at the mystic folks instead of investigating the phenomena in a more rigorous way themselves.
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A very good question.
@@charliepan4055 As far as I know, Ch, Ki, and Qi are different spellings for the same word. I have read that Prana is the same thing, as well some other words from other languages. I suspect that Orgone is the same as Chi. Scalar energy is not Chi, it is longitudinal waves in the ambient electric field. Chinese tradition says that Chi comes from the stars, and I conjecture that Chi is the energy of the Nuclear Strong Force that is released by fission in the stars. I also suggest that Chi accumulates in any repeating pattern in any medium, for example in the twisted-ladder patterns of DNA strands. Hence, live bodies are enveloped in - and saturated with - Chi. That makes the chakras, meridians, auras, etc. So, if those are bio-electric fields or effects, then either Chi and Bio-electricity are identical or are strongly related (similar to electricity and magnetism, perhaps).
consciousness is the substratum of existence. pure potential. aka love.
all forms are patterns of this substratum.
Michael's work is beautiful and is in accordance with the ancient Vedic texts on the Koshas
This sounds like what Alfred North Whitehead worked out in philosophy over a hundred years ago... but then... and since then... Ideas that are not politically acceptable are not accepted without experimental evidence, and experiments are not done because the idea is not acceptable. So grateful for thinkers who break the mold.
Isn't this showing the relationship between us individually and the human collective. Our individuality is important needs to remain in continuity and communication with those about us. Yet, if the collective is out of alignment, it takes strong individuals to restore the alignment, the light houses.
Amazing to learn these concepts, eye opening!
This channel is the best frontier science channel on youtube yall are doing great work
A new Michael Levin video, yes please
Levin is a straight up genius.
I haven’t heard about this topic before and this just came up on my feed… but 2 minutes in hacking bioelectricity makes complete sense since the entire body works essentially by electric and chemical reactions.
This guy is going to get a noble prize one day truly a unique and awesome human being!
What a great conversation! Thank you. In particular, I love his definition or explanation about consciousness that's not only in the brain but in other parts of the body as well.
Two thirds of the way through I thought, oh I will be listening to this more than once.
Great interview. The concept that we are part of a larger intelligence isn't new. "As above so below" describes this. The works of Alice Bailey, for example "Esoteric Astrology" hinges on this postulate and highlights the interconnectedness of the universe as a whole, not only physically as in Newtonian physics, but also in consciousness, different levels of consciousness, eventually synthesizing in Oneness. Here is where science starts to synthesize with spirituality. The most sophisticated ancient philosophies like the Hindu, Egyptian, etc have always said that reality is consciousness. Consciousness (higher level states of vibration) dictate and shape the more dense states, such as the physical, which is a lower form of consciousness. So its a top down approach, not the down-top evolutionary approach traditional science postulates. Everything in the physical happens according to preexisting blueprints held in higher consciousnesses "above" and materialize "down". Likewise, we have a higher aspect, unrealized by our normal human level consciousness we have realized, so we identify closer to the physical side of things, ignoring there are deeper and higher causal aspects within us, as with the universe. Some people call it the Monad, the higher self, etc. Note the correspondence between the unselfish cells acting in harmony creating a healthy body, as opposed to a selfish cancerous cell disrupting the body. Sounds exactly like old spiritual wisdom about humans within the planet: Unselfishness, cooperation, service vs self-serving ego and sense of separation. As above so below. A good place to link these two supposed opposites of science and spirituality can be found in the writings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and her "Theosophy", which is defined as "The synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy". Somewhere in that synthesis truth can be found, is the proposition.
Danke!
finally. In the Rigveda cancer was described as an alien current called Rakshasa that is flowing through the body, causing field disturbances.
@@Baptized_in_Fire. correct me please!
Fascinating discussion. 🙏
This goes along with the paradigm shift we see happening right now with how we think the universe works…not through matter and gravity, - but through electricity and plasma. As below, so above!
The One and the Many united = The Holy Trinity.
As within so without
..all truths are but half truths.
@…. that’s why what you claim is a lie.
@@undermuscled7381 Crowley
I would love to see mr. Levine talking with Stephen Wolfram. There is a clear connection to his computational frameworks and ruliads.
Do you think Wolfram is the next Euclid?
This is fascinating. I've been working on signal processing, nested signals. I've been working on this to solve the arc challenge, but now I realize that this is very important for biology. If we can solve this, if we can learn to decode signal, we could do amazing things.
Yes. I'm an economist and if we can figure this out, it has implications for markets, economies, peoples bound together by the cognitive glues of prices, contracts, relationships and work en masse towards collective ends the parts aren't necessarily aware of, but which benefit them. Hot take: Mike is becoming to biology what Adam Smith was to econ... but he is kind of becoming to econ what Adam Smith was to econ, too 😂.
This IS a paradigm shift indeed. WOW!
5:32 this ALL of a sudden made so much sense to Me, Utmost Respect From North East England UK ❤❤❤
I am excited to see Dr. Levin's work with Dr. Solms. I am curious on this idea of scaling and emergent properties and how individual cells scale all the way up to the psychological experience of the self and regards to mental health. Could there be a causal link betweens ones state of psychological being, towards aversive physiological affects? Such as consistent state of depression, over time the cells see the collected whole (self) as diminishing and making it feasible to reduce an organization (scaling down) to a lower state of goal directedness, "This host is depressed, lets cast off and become another independent conglomerate aka a cancerous mass?"
Great research, hope we can help people grow legs after accidents
Wow, thanks for this amazing Interview!
A question from me for a possible next one would be: is he aware of the global consciousness project? If yes, this seems to be a good experimental approach for the hypothesis of the existance of a global mind, being more or less in sync regarding meaning, attributed to global Events.
Thanks!
Who would have thought all we had to do was just tell cancer stop in a very stern, commanding tone
A little more belief faith and maybe you'll develop better grammar
start meditating then
A little bit more brain and you realize the internet does not only consist of native English speaking people who learned English since they were born. Greetings from a polish guy living in Germany. And yes. I don't like grammar Nazis. Do you feel superior now? Good for you
What an incredible topic of research. Thanks for connecting me to this. Will be following Michael on socials.
Every time we think we are getting to the bottom of biology, we turn a corner and see the landscape unfold into a vaster area than we had ever imagined.
The latent space of unfamiliar incarnations of familiar cells seems... dizzyingly vast.
more excellent content from Essentia.
Didn't Rupert Sheldrake have similar ideas? Morphic Resonance & Morphic Fields?
What a great interview! So interesting and game changing! Thank you for your work!
I enjoy watching him work. I only saw him once but he stuck. Not a lot of talk just science
Royal Rife pioneered this area of healing a hundred years ago. Shut down by ptb
Thank you, fascinating... Plaronic space & bioelectricity (maybe same as zero point field?) morphogenic evolution made me think of nature's fractals, and the whole conversation re scale (holons)... wonderful conversation
Sounds like sheldrake’s morphogenetic field theory and superposition theory .
That's what I thought. We are all connected in ways we don't yet understand.
Amazing convo and food for thought!
Thank you for this! It’s exciting to learn about, even if I don’t understand it totally.
We need to find a way to apply these ideas to humans ASAP. Too many people are suffering and dying from cancer. And I do wish is that Dr. Levin would acknowledge the history of bio-electricity such as Robert Becker’s work with limb regeneration in salamanders and plenary worms.
… a famous one once said “everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler”.
Thanks for sharing this very interesting interview.
I've just started reading Fritjof Capras book Web of Life and it seems very related to this. Beautiful to see
Wow, agreed, that's one great discussion, as in omg!
What is named "reality" is information. If you change the information then you change the "reality".
What you call information is just reality. Participate in the reality, and what you consider to be information changes.
@kohismahpimp exactly. Reality doesn't exist because it is a singular flow of informations in change. It is not an object or a group of objects.
this was excellent ;)
thanks very much.
and you really dissected well on your synopsis.
happy holidays
I am thinking that we can think our body parts into regrowing themselves again.
I am willing to be part of a test group on regrouping body parts. Michael
I believe you are quite correct in your presentation.
Incredible, exactly what I needed. Perfect timing. I don’t need to pray to GOD for anything. Just thank you dear LORD.
Thank you for this wonderful conversation! ❤
There is a good book on this subject called We are Electric by Sally Adee
I love this! Thank you so much for finding these blueprints!
Wow, that was amazing information! And a beautiful way of seeing problems from a different and very fresh perspective. I am eager to know how his studies advance.
Good information let’s hope this leads to a cure. Also,I’m getting Dr. Drew commercials at points in this video and they sound remarkably similar. Thank you
Amazing knowledge, inspired.
You aproach to cancer cells, performing this kind of "mind melt" which you could force to stop. It should indeed work your oncogene or direct stress-induced oncogenesis.
If otherwise cells get their mitochondria damged due to long lasting metabolic stress as a cause of wrong nutriziln patterns, your technique might help as well.
This connects with the Work of Prof. Thomas Seyfert or Jasung Fung (see CanceRevolution documentary) that wrong nutrition over years might induce cancer by causing too much mitochondira degradation.
And then it basically doesnt matter which type of cancer since all of thos cells share the same hall marks of mobile, high-proliferating and hungry cells that got themselves re-programmed in to an early single cell state - the same for each cancer type.
That why something like a ketogenic diet helps to weaken and starve thise cells.
Would be great to combine your approach with metabol8c stress relief
I didn't understand the difference between "anatomical space" and 3-dimensional space" in the discussion of gap junctions. Seems they are the same thing since anatomy IS a 3-dimentioned thing...or is it?
Thanks. This is confluent with the rather occulted news in that energy, light, and information all share the same meaning
Awesomeness
Very interesting. Makes it seem almost like those kookie people with the "magnetic bracelets" and stuff for healing might have been onto something - _even if that SPECIFIC idea_ does not work by being too simplistic, they may have intuited correctly a new modality of medicine where that manipulation of electromagnetic fields _in some fashion_ could be used to treat and cure disease.
This is why i constantly tell people to stop taking theory as the only truth. in every science and they just dont get it. inability to think for themselves. oh well. salute to Mr. Levin for not being afraid to try to replace the old bullshit. we have to move forward in every way possible.
LEVIN IS BRILLIANT NO BS BRILLIANT
Michael Levin ❤❤❤
Need a month to digest all of that. Thank you!!!🙃🙏👌🇿🇦