Why We Should ALWAYS Calculate POT ODDS!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2021
- Bart gets into the weeds today with a lesson in poker logic and hand reading as it relates to direct pot odds and how we should keep our lines logical.
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As our hero and assuming your hand doesn’t improve by the river would you fold given the pot odds?
At these stakes it's a trivial fold imo
16:21
Bart, if you had thought villain had bluffs in his range and you were planning on getting it in on the river no matter what, why lead with a jam? Seems like the better play is to check and let villain shove and bluff catch. Rather than lead out and let villain fold his bluffs
Button was screaming from the start I have AA & Hero was screaming, I want to get lucky on turn & more luckier on the river 😭😭🤣🤣🤣 & Hero( Caller ) 🐠🐠🐠 how can u not 5-b Jam pre , what are u trying to achieve , fold to K-high automatically?? Button would do the same with AQs or AKs or 910s or JJ. Worst played hand ever & worst justification
Fold , but what if an ace came out ???
@@zach767 what realistic bluffs can villain even have at this point... Maaaaaaybe kq and I really don't think you see villains at this level making that play as "standard" as people say it is these days.
"Even if I lose I'm still up on the night" not a good thought process when the goal is to keep making good decisions
I cringe when I hear people say this. Sign of a player with alot of improving to do.
@@Motivated_For_Success777 I add to my stack lol
It blows my mind at the level of patience Bart shows with some of his callers. 🤦🏼♂️
I know what you mean, but if you watch his call in show, I'm sure you know, he is a patient guy, and rightfully so, the purpose of his show is to teach people, and some people need a lot of teaching. I know, I play poker with them every day, and it's mind boggling when people KNOW that I would never bet on the end in some situations without the obvious nuts, but I bet a size that offers them "good pot odds" so they do. Folding a set in this spot is an easy decision if you don't fill against most opponents, the AA should have jammed on the turn.
About 33% of the way through this Vlog, I called and decided to keep going, after 50%, I realized that watching it till the end would have huge negative implied odds but called anyway. I watched till the end gathering no meaningful poker knowledge and ending up with a huge headache, realizing my big negative implied odds.
This is an underrated comment
Wow, he didn't listen at all, he said he's never folding the river so his logic is all-in or fold. You can either win 1300 by only needing to call 650 or just lose 650 when you brick... why risk the full 1300. Not sure he was fully listening during his call-in.
i think he was calling more for affirmation then to learn anything
hero really wants to lose an extra ~500 bucks on the river if the board does not pair
The part he definitely didn’t understand (and therefore simply ignored) was that “Your opponent having an A is what you want here, right? Because you’re getting the pot odds to call, and he’s going to pay off that $650 behind if the board pairs.” The guy was like- Why would I want him to have an A, then he’s beating me!
@@jamesr3505 THIS!!!
"Yah yah, I completely understand....." 🤪
It’s funny how the caller didn’t understand what Bart was trying to tell him so he just gave up and said yeah.
KJ KQ KT never play this hand like that, so those combos can be discarded
Lol
@Misty Bart is definitely NOT wrong in this spot. There are virtually no players that would play the above hands that you have listed in the way that this hand was played out at this level. Players aren't cold 4betting KJ, KQ, KT and most likely aren't including JJ or TT either pre. You have to put the entire hand together to understand what the villian may ACTUALLY have.
Suppose you have that opponent that would play these hands in that manner pre, they certainly aren't betting half of their stack on the turn. "If they have an A they have an A" mentality like you have will get you wrecked in the long run.
@Misty This is the most illogical thing I've read in a while. The villain does not 4 bet with any of the above mentioned hands. Pull up a BTN 4 bet range. It like QQ+. AKs, AJo, AKo, A5s. Partials of AT and AQo. Every one of those hands has the hero beat on the river without a board pair.
@Misty I forgot to mention that if you call the river, you have to be good 1 out of 6 times to break even. In this spot with this action I would say your good maybe 1 out of 20 or more and maybe much more. If your playing in a game where the villain is balanced he probably doesn't bet the turn anyway. Also anyone who is balancing their hands doesn't have a hand in their preflop range that the hero beats on a brick river. So really it doesn't matter who we are playing, someone playing close to GTO has us smashed with their range and typical low limit fish have nothing but an Ace here.
That was a classic case of a caller paying absolutely no heed to the great advice Bart was giving (live and not learn lol).
On a very small point on the turn the ‘hero’ also has two or three Aces to catch to chop the pot which might add one or two percent more to his equity.
🎯 was waiting for someone to mention the additional equity of a possible split if the ace hits. Although you could argue that since it would be a split, the additional equity isn’t true equity, but for simplicity’s sake, I would add 2-3 ace outs to my calculation. Probably just round down to 2 aces knowing it’s possible he has AA (also the “split pot” equity that isn’t true equity)
Caller needs a simple poker math lesson. BADLY.
No, caller needs to come play at my games.
He needs a shutting up and listening lesson.
@@matthewgary6843 that's selfish, spread the action.
This is trivially easy. Call the turn to try to make your boat. Check fold the river when you miss. Donk when you hit. Really nothing else.
No, imo fold pre flop, you are just WAYY too behind here, QQ vs AA.
@@maximelaurier6902 if every btn 4bet is only aces where do you play
@@maximelaurier6902 even if it is aces you’re still almost priced in to call from implied odds. He only put in 20% of the pot when he called the 4-bet.
@@maximelaurier6902 Not when the raise was so small.
Bart's calls show why poker will never die. The average player can't take criticism on their plays or thought process and thus will never improve significantly. When I have a chance to talk to player I know are better I take everything they say with an open mind. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a caller justify a play because the villain had "played a certain way during the session" or was "on monkey tilt".
Exactly what happened. To be honest, I'm just learning not to be defensive, not take criticism guy. Applies to life too.
The caller doesn't seem to actually understand what "equity" and "pot odds" mean
ruh what, who needs that when I have all these chips?
@@id10t98 lol
He does understand, but he might just be foolish in wisdom.
I get what the caller was thinking. With the ship of fold on the turn. However, I feel like he did get that he was essentially on a draw just like a flush draw. You could check fold a flush draw with this action on the river. So why not a “full house draw” when all the villain is representing is a straight. As Bart said all you need 3.4/1 pot odds which the caller is essentially getting plus the implied odds (which Bart has cleverly coined Reverse Pot Odds in these cases). With these odds it makes a call, check-fold on non board pairing cards profitable. No need to ship it on the turn because your just drawing to a board pair. Then folding when it doesn’t
Simply and understandably put. Thanks.
Absolutely love the content! First comment, but long time watcher. So many levels here. Thank you!
Great video Bart... I feel like Bart and the caller are on two different planets , speaking two different languages
Tbh, it did take me a bit to see what was going on, but here's what Bart is saying.. We see get to see the river for the right price & pot odds. But the implied pot odds are the rest of the villain's stack. Essentially, IF our card hits, we are guaranteed the rest of his stack BEFORE the river comes. IF our card DOESN'T come, we fold and save that last remaining bit that we would've had to risk. So, pretty much Implied Odds. And the reason why we CAN fold the river (despite the ridiculous pot odds) is because Villian is ALWAYS going to have an ace. If we didn't think he had the ace, Hero's call on the turn is a bluff catcher. Also, the way the entire line played out (Pre-flop, Flop, & Turn) The Villian almost always has an ace. He has all the aces.
he doesn't even need to have an ace to be winning. it's possible he has pocket 9s... extremely unlikely, but the caller said the villain is nuts and 99 is still winning
I thought of it as that villain is probably not bluffing, but hero calls the river on a brick because there is a possibility villain is bluffing.
(1) Villain is bluffing (has no ace); hand improves to full house or 4 of a kind; Hero bets and loses $475 he would have made if he checked AND villain continued the bluff.
(2) Villain is bluffing; hand improves to full house or 4 of a kind; Hero checks villain bluffs $475 and hero calls winning the pot
(3) Villain is bluffing; hand does not improve to full house, 4 of a kind or straight on the board; Villain bluffs the river; hero folds and loses ~$3,500 pot hero would have won if he called.
(4) Villain is bluffing; hero's hand improves; Hero checks and villain gives up on his bluff; Hero misses out on villain's last $475 regardless of hero's check on the river to induce a bluff.
(5) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand doesn't improve and folds to $475 bet if hand doesn't improve
(6) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand improves and wins villain's last $475 with a river bet
(7) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand doesn't improve but still calls villain's $475 river bet
I think the situation that caller liked the least is #3. He was willing to take the loss on situation #7 in order to avoid the worse loss on situation #3
1. Hero has Ax combos since he calls 4 bet preflop
2. Villain will not bluff into 4 connected board where an ace makes a straight
3. Therefore, villain has an ace, easy river fold if board does not pair
But pot odds
This was a very instructive commentary!
I want to play fixed limit poker with this guy. His river rationale will be "I'm getting 5 to 1, I cannot fold regardless of the situation or what my read says"
Did you call? No, I flatted.
Wanna sit on
The table with this fish
To be fair he says, “and yes, I flat.”
What does that even mean? If you flat call, you're calling 2 bets made in front of you. You can check, bet, call, or call multiple bets at one time (flat call) If you only call 1 bet, it's a call-not a flat. You can't flat call a single bet. If you call, you just call.
Hahahahaha Barts face is the same as mine when he’s trying to explain it. So frustrating!
Big difference between always calculating pot odds & always calling because your getting pot odds. If you always call because the price is right, you will go broke!
Please explain why giving up your true equity is sometimes correct? Assuming you are getting the correct odds or better.
Bruh another example why live poker will never die 🤣
Someone should advise this caller to stay away from the comment section.
I would pay to see the video reaction tho!
Albeit a small added % of equity, he also has chop outs. Add this with his winning equity, super easy call on turn.
So if I get what Bart is saying: given the bet size on the turn which gives about 4:1 pot odds, with QQ and that texture the caller has better than 4:1 to call. Ie there is a better than 4;1 chance that villain is bluffing, has a weaker hand, or that the board will pair on the river. Given that, it’s an automatic call on the turn bet because pot odds are in heroes favour. Did I get that right?
What is this guy saying lmao… he doesn’t understand that he is drawing on the turn and made Bart explain himself over and over
That happens on a ton of these calls... Really just highlights how many people that thi k they have a clue don't.
They speak fluent English but the guy still sounds like an idiot, lol.
I'm not a very good poker player but this call gave me confidence boost and also a headache.
poker is alive ....nice thought process hero!!!!!lolololololol
that video thumbnail; golden!
Love the thumbnail on this
I thought of it as that villain is probably not bluffing, but hero calls the river on a brick because there is a possibility villain is bluffing.
(1) Villain is bluffing (has no ace); hand improves to full house or 4 of a kind; Hero bets and loses $475 he would have made if he checked AND villain continued the bluff.
(2) Villain is bluffing; hand improves to full house or 4 of a kind; Hero checks villain bluffs $475 and hero calls winning the pot
(3) Villain is bluffing; hand does not improve to full house, 4 of a kind or straight on the board; Villain bluffs the river; hero folds and loses ~$3,500 pot hero would have won if he called.
(4) Villain is bluffing; hero's hand improves; Hero checks and villain gives up on his bluff; Hero misses out on villain's last $475 regardless of hero's check on the river to induce a bluff.
(5) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand doesn't improve and folds to $475 bet if hand doesn't improve
(6) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand improves and wins villain's last $475 with a river bet
(7) Villain is not bluffing; hero's hand doesn't improve but still calls villain's $475 river bet
I think the situation that caller liked the least is #3. He was willing to take the loss on situation #7 in order to avoid the worse loss on situation #3
Really great call, I think that the confusion at the end actually improved the value of this call because it caused Bart to really review his explanation and continue on that train of thought whereas I think some callers just say okay okay I know what you're saying and then a little bit of that value is missed on some of the callers and listeners too.
We need a top 5 compilation of the most clueless callers of all time. Wtf is this guy talking about? I love live poker so much
Clearly the guy was showboating the river suck out , that's all.
If the river bricks, how can you call? Villain always has Ax
The fold or call comment by the hero on the turn is a mindset hard to get over. If you're properly bankrolled for the stakes you're playing then don't worry about this single buy-in. You call turn knowing you're behind to AA, AQs+, AKo. You have ten outs to boat up or hit quads. You're roughly 20% going to the river. You're getting the right price to call. If you brick the river check/fold. Save the $450 and top up the difference. I know that sounds crazy given the size of the pot but if you're confident in the range given to the opp then you're beat and you're torching $450.
Where does this caller play Poker? I would love to know...
Anywhere in Houston the play would go fast and we would go all in and go twice!
My favorite comment was preflop: "I was trying to isolate the MP raiser and get the button to fold". Tell us more about your stellar logic 3 betting QQ, please!
this is actually a thing. if you want to be more sure to get position, it's more likely to happen if you 3 bet to discourage BTN from calling
@@SGProductions87 obviously. I guess you don't sense the sarcasm in my comment thanking him on the great logic of 3 betting and the purpose behind it
caller was so desperate to justify his questionable thought process
At least he was smart enough to question it in the first place!
If V bets 650 into 1750, we require 650/(1750+650+650)= 21% equity, With 10 outs we have 20%. Is this alternative method to calculate correct? I don't like ratios, and prefer percentages.
Bart's frustration with the caller at the end is palpable.
I thought he handled it like a good coach
Good vid
Another poker "pro" at work...
Another 1/2 delusional BrAd Owen Hoodie wearing Delusional keyboard warrior
"He beat me into the pot and he hemmed and hawed." Those are opposites.
When Bart says "I'm just a little confused here" he actually means "I can't believe how clueless you are"
This gave me a head ache!
"So did you call here?" "No.. I flatted.." Every time!! Hahaha
So did you call here? No, yeah. Yeah. No. I flatted.
eyebrow raise, nose scratch
I agree that if he calls turn he should call river regardless of what comes
If it bricks out and you know your beat you can’t let pot odds dictate everything you do. If you know your beat pot odds mean nothing.
With dynamic between the two and you in the middle, it’s an easy 5 bet. Now without it and to a normal TAG (vpip
In hindsight, BTN played exactly as though he had the straight and Hero played exactly like he had a boat. This episode did my head in a bit if I’m being honest lol
7:15…who is the caller’s opponent?
I wanna call in with a made up hand just to see if it's really that hard to not interrupt Bart 10x times per call.
Just an audio delay that’s common with these call ins. Barts gotta work with it.
what about the player with the straight could he have folded on the river
Villain certainly should’ve shoved turn
Turn is easy. You have boat outs and 2-3 chop outs.
As painful as this was to watch, it does sound like Hero learned something
Learned what? Those hands played it self. This is really bad for our 20 mins & :26 secs lost in our lives. :)
Does this mean if Villain had shoved the turn, we should have folded?
Very interesting hand, but you can fold river. No ones bluffing $650 into 3k once they get called on the turn.
10 outs facing a 3rd pot bet on the turn? Seems easy enough, is there something I'm missing?
More than 10 even. If an ace comes we just chop so that even adds a little bit of equity. Assuming they have AA as worst case we get 2 more outs free rolled in.
And he's just about guaranteed to be called on the river for the rest so the implied odds are even better.
What is the play on the turn if the villain decides to shove all in for $1200-$1300? Does hero call or fold?
That would make it $1250ish to win $2900ish, with a 1 in 4.4 chance of the boat/quads and you putting him 100% on an Ace then I think it's a fold, whereas he got the $2900 ($2400 now for $475 river) for $650 because the villain is never folding to your bet on the river if you hit.
Maybe what's getting lost in the Caller's thickness is Villain not shoving on the Turn. He's got the Nuts, so what does holding back $650 do? Coax a 9 to stay in ?!
Great analysis by Bart. However, words of wisdom seem to be falling upon deaf ears.
Sweet
Yeah gotta learn to let it go! Patience! If you know your beat and you can fold fold
If it bricks out
But to fold $475! That’s not a lot compared to the pot but it’s still $475 and you know your beat your just giving away money and you hate money
Can’t let pot odds dictate our every move. If it bricks and you know your beat. Pot odds mean nothing
Can somebody please explain the logic behind a shove pre-flop???? It seems to me, that going all-in b4 flop is just playing bingo!! I avoid it at every opportunity, unless I have a good read on my opponents (I study body language and have been since 1987) but even when I know I've had them dominated, they get a great board and I get outdrawn, more often than not. This is with AA KK QQ JJ. Last one I was UTG+1 MP1 shoves all-in preflop (I had KK) and I knew I had them all dominated as it was a 3-way all-in and the MP1 with 44 got a 4 on the flop and I got felted. What am I doing wrong?
It's not playing bingo. The idea is to not worry about the outcome ($) and worry about making the right decisions every time. If people are willing to get it all in against you with a worse hand on a regular basis, you should be ecstatic with that! No hand is 100% preflop, so make the right decisions and understand that losses happen.
If I told you we'll flip a coin 1000 times. Each time it lands on heads you give me $1, BUT each time it lands on tails I'll give you $2 would you quit playing if it lands on tails? No, because you understand that long term you're making a +EV play.
That being said, your bad beat hand with KK is missing a lot of components. MP1 shoving pre with 44 is not likely with a large stack. So if you were all in against multiple opponents, you're either leaving out some key info or you yourself didn't have much behind to protect your hand preflop. Either way, your hand is far from a lock multi way with all 5 cards to come.
@@Motivated_For_Success777 Mate, did you read everything I wrote???? It was a 3-way pot, he shoved, button called and I had about 160 more so I also jammed, with KK. Flop comes 9,4,7, turn comes J, river comes 2. No flush on the board, but he flopped the set. So. I ask again. What am I doing wrong??? I had a good read on them and knew I was way ahead pre-flop. What mistake did I make???
@@Motivated_For_Success777 And stacks were between 500 to my 660 as I had 160 more after button calls all-in!
@@Motivated_For_Success777 BTW mate, if I worried about the outcome, these hands wouldn't happen would they???????
@@UberFubar75 did I read everything you wrote? YES, you simply said MP1 shoved with 4's pre and your KK lost a multi way pot when he flopped a 4. THATS.ALL.YOU.WROTE. Good job elaborating more below.
Now, as you say below, stacks were 500-660 and you had 160 remaining (im guessing you're saying most went in pre and this is going to the flop?). That tells me there was alot of $ going in pre-flop. So back to my point, you got a ton of money in from a player who was crushed. I'm not bashing you, I simply telling you that posting this hand in some random comments section means you are in fact hung up on results and not making the best decisions despite what you want me or others to believe. You made the right play and lost, part of the game. Keep playing that situation the same every time and you'll make loads of $$$.
I remember when I was younger I used to think poker was like a fun version of chess, oh how the turn tables...
Is it not? Am I still too young?
@@samuelbach1631 much to learn, you still have
@@CJ-vc7ts teach me, sensei
@@samuelbach1631 A Game for people who love pain
If villain was on tilt, got AA, and then saw that turn...he was probably crazy apoplectic about the injustice of his hand being downgraded and the prospects of a stupid chop. Yeah, he's going to snap that off. That he then had to embrace a bad beat...well, that's just how run-bad do. Playing off of another player's run-bad is not without some merit...even if that means (apparently) being a heavy dog out of the gate and all the way up until the last street. Ah, good times.
Im dumb, how do we win if opponent has AA dont they have a straighy then?
I don't think you can put him on a bluff and an ACE. His range def has an ace in it. esp when he bets turn, then would bet river. I see callers point that he can't fold river. But if V has it you just have to fold river.
I'm not saying pot odds in no limits hold'em is not a factor but if we always calculating pot odds and have it the biggest factor how we make a decision is more cons than pros.
I'd love to play against the guy on the phone, lol. Wow!
I think the caller has an issue that a lot of players have. He's getting about 7.5:1 on the (hypothetical) river call. A lot of people just round this to infinity:1 and call with anything.
Don't be too hard on the caller. He called because he wasn't sure how to play the hand, and it just happened the issue wasn't what he expected.
in fixed limit that's basically a standard river situation
No, you don’t have to call if the river bricks and he moves in. Pot odds mean nothing if you’re always beat in that spot. Just call turn and then get the rest of his stack when you bink and save yourself some money when you miss
When you see the button make a cold 4 bet preflop from 165 to just 375, can it ever be pocket jacks or pocket 10s?
I think the answer is no, and there are two parts to this question.
Would a good player ever cold 4 bet pocket jacks or pocket 10s here to such a small size? I think the answer is fairly clearly no.
Would a not so good player ever cold 4 bet pocket jacks or pocket 10s here to such a small size? This question is a lot more difficult, but I'm still inclined to think that the answer is going to be that it would be very rare for a less skilled player to play pocket jacks or pocket 10s this way preflop.
But could somebody play pocket aces, pocket kings, or AK this way? I think the answer is clearly yes.
How often would they turn Ax suited or KQ suited into a 4 bet bluff to such a small size? Somewhat often, but you're losing to Ax suited if you don't make a full house and you very heavily block KQ (both suited and unsuited, just in case they might turn KQ off into a 4 bet bluff preflop)
How often would they turn something other than Ax suited or KQ into a 4 bet bluff preflop (especially with such small sizing)? I think the answer is basically never.
What if the river came an ace and it goes check, check button shows pocket aces , hero folds pocket queens because he thinks he can’t beat 3 straights (in his mind ) 😂
At the end the caller (in this case I'll refer to him as vilan😆) says "he has an Ace when turn is bet" then says he's going to call any non pair river as a bluff catch
Huh!?
Bart has the patience of a Seal sniper😇😃
i dont think this dude understood that you're calling on the turn to draw not to bluff catch
turn check call ...fold river if bet
Lol the caller is saying he has to call brick rivers if he calls turn. His logic is “if I called turn thinking he could have an A, I have to call river”. What he fails to realize is that he now has more information than he did on the turn. Can and should fold river
Ugh my brain hurts
I have never laughed so much while being in so much pain watching CLP vids. The caller’s got zero clue as to what he’s talking about but pretends to understand what Bart is talking about. Hopefully he looks back at this and learns something. I doubt it however...
...and because he's likely viewing the hand through outcome-based lenses, I doubt Bart's advice will sink in.
This guy was confused to start with and didn’t know why he was really calling the turn (or rather why he was really supposed to) and then I think he just brain fudged himself and didn’t get what Bart was trying to get across.
He sounds like a reasonably intelligent dude that just got hung up on a point his brain was fogging him on.
Edit: This comment was me trying to sympathize with the caller. I’m a math guy and I’ve tutored math for years so I instantly got Bart’s point and did the quick math for myself. Super easy call at the right odds that isn’t anywhere near a bluff-catch. And I think most other listeners got it as well.
However, I’ve tutored students, smart students, who knew the formulas and materials of algebra, stats, geometry, trig, etc., and seen them get hung up on a simple point that just seems utterly puzzling. Then, they finally get it and it’s just so simple that they feel absurdly stupid for not getting it right away or just not being able to grasp it. They seem stuck thinking about it in the way their brain originally tried to make it make sense to them and they can’t seem to move that block.
Thank you, Bart, for being patient with recs like me and this caller.
Coaching must be very frustrating😂
I think Bart knows his stuff but I'm not sure his limited math ability helps. He was looking at a £700 call which is 100% correct that you can call fold, hero has £400 so it makes the hero river call a different proposition into £3k pot, a crying call. So the caller had a point that the turn was a shove or fold, not because he could fold but because with 400 left you have to call, busted diamonds, FRUSTRATED KJ JJ turn bluff.
As I say Bart was talking like the hero had to fold to the villains stack when it was the hero with the effective stack
Caller sounds like he needs to go back to the 1-2 game
I stay there. Rec player having fun. Texas Poker rooms are lit!
Why did hero make this hand so complicated?
It was hard to follow his thoughts, if the villian bluffs at least 1 in 6 times we call river brick, if villian doesnt have a bluff 1 in 6 times we fold. It's purely a player dependant decision with no information its a fold.
And if he makes a set of Aces on the river, its a push
Setting aside the clueless hero, is this always a snap call for villain at the end? Obviously getting a great price, but when is a donk bet there ever less than a boat?
Easy to donk bet on the river with Ax because you know the villain doesn't have a boat. Good way to try and avoid a chop.
@@MrCnash23 100%
Wish Bart’s videos had a “mute caller” button. Jfc this guy needs to remember he has two ears too
Well that was GD painful
Drawing dead with good pot odds.
God bless you Bart lol why call in if you can’t accept criticism
Today I learned: fishes and donkeys can use phones
650 gave him a direct price to call the turn and try to hit the boat regardless if he had the A.... If it bricks it's an obvious check fold and save the 💰???
To me it's a fold on the turn. Why call 650 and leave 400 behind. Even with the great pot odds hes only 20% to win the pot. It's close tho. I think in that situation the villain almost always has an Ace after betting the turn so light.
@@walta10 I'm sry I thought he had 800 behind.. you are right though.. they show up with an A there almost everytime..
damn there are some noisy birds in the background.
And you thought osmium was dense.
aces or kings
I called it before I knew the results on this one