@@wagganationMFFMhave a head on in a torana compared to a late model say Camry. I know which one I’d rather be sitting in at the end of it. The toranas steering wheel will be probably punch an imprint into your chest and bonnet come through the windscreen. I love old cars eg torana, but safety wise you can’t beat 5 star safety ratings. Same again with side impact, I’d rather be sitting in the wife’s merc with 9 airbags / air curtains than a torana
I think is funny how everyone has an opinion regarding Chinese cars but have never owned one of the more recent ones. Its simple if you don't like them don't buy them i don't know why people have to knock them when they have never owned one and don't intend to.
Exactly, it reminds me of many years ago the same thing happened with Japanese cars, then Korean cars, now Chinese made cars. The current Chinese cars are much better engineered and manufactured than they were even 5 years ago
My friend has tank 300 and we were at snow, while he was getting changed he left his key in the tank and it locked itself and he had to wait in cold to mechanic to arrive while we snowboard and ski.
What happened to Foton? I used to see a few around, but they seem to have vanished. I could totally be wrong, by the way; just my personal observation. I saw a pristine Great Wall X240 the other day - definitely a rarity in 2024.
We still have a Foton. Still bombing on. 200,000ks minimum issues. Owes me nothing, pulls the caravan through rough station roads all the time. So just saying, they are not all gone😉
Foton still here but only selling trucks up to about 15 ton,no more utes,it appears that they have withdrawn from right hand drive markets, south Africa also
@@willryu2773 yes Cummins engine mine is a manual so Gertrag gearbox. Dana diffs and Borg Warner 4wd system. It’s not that flash but I have no intention of getting rid of it.
@@madmanbeau227 Dont worry about resale price. Toyota and other japanese cars depreciate so quickly in china, because their new car price drop even quicker. Corolla hybrid is less than 21,000 AUD in China, compared 36,000 AUD in Melbourne.
Which one do you or did own? Driving a cannon...towing a caravan, a boat idling behind smoking cruisers and patrols. Not that I would say I'm 105% satisfied but knowing that I paid less than a cruiser loses in value in the first 4 years makes me think twice.
On paper JAC T9 looks pretty good. My question, that will only be answered after they have gone on sale here in Australia, is whether is whether JAC Australia plays dirty with warranty and service. If they do, JAC vehicles name will be mud here in Australia.
Honestly, the ANCAP rating is quite impressive. Remember these are the latest and strictest tests so it's a lot safer than many older models from more well-known manufacturers however my biggest concern is reliability.
42/45 K is not the cheapest price around, from what I have looked up, the engine is a Isuzu design,410 is only just above the gwm ute nms, will go for a look but would suggest 450 nm is about the minimum needed
Hyundai manufacture for Ford, then suddenly produce their own cars, JAC manufacture for Hyundai, then suddenly produce their own cars. No wonder they all look the same.
I'm sure the resale won't hold up as well as a Ranger / Hilux, etc, but I can't imagine it will be *that* bad? Mahindra seem to hold an acceptable resale value and they're also a cut-price vehicle?
A ute is designed to carry stuff. A ute needs power. No tradesman has ever walked into a showroom and purchased on fuel effiency, ever! Now with the government about to f*ck things up with their taxing, we may never see a reasonable powered ute in the future. There is the Raptor, but a) it is over 100K, and b) you end up being another dickhead ranger driver.....🤣
WTF is mood lighting in a ute for, actually never mind. I'd prefer not to know...😂 I'd say if you want to tow a 3.5t and and take "the family and all the gear", you shouldn't/cant use a DC ute anyway. Is it a ZF transmission or a licensed copy of the ZF transmission?
Manufacturers keep marketing this 3500kg crap, although some have more leftover payload than this. But I agree. Science suggests nobody should tow anything heavier than the tow vehicle unless the trailer has double the amount of wheels, like a proper 18-wheeler.
Toyota Hilux poverty pack workmate ute is $56,000 on the road which is a 110kW and 400 Nm. Basic with vinyl floors and steel wheels. ITS CALLED VALUE FOR MONEY
Yes, but according to Redbook data (based on what people have actually sold their vehicles for), the HiLux drops only 25-30% of its value after 5 years. Brands like LDV and GWM (other like-minded 'value' brands) drop around 50%. In other words, that HiLux you're referring to will still be worth around $41,000 after 5 years. My professional opinion is that this T9 will be selling for around $20,000-25,000 on the used car market after 5 years. That's without investigating other ownership experiences such as after-sales care, service availability and dealer network, long-term reliability. All of these areas are still an unknown in Australia, which is always a challenge for any new brand. It will be interesting to see how it goes. If they can stick with it and keep pushing like MG, and even Hyundai-Kia in their early years, I have no doubt they will succeed.
Brett Davis I think it needs some major upgrades from the fuel consumption,ground clearance, full steering wheel adjustments and others in particular.I would t purchase it at all despite being new to the game.For me its a nightmare😔😔
The lack for reach adjustment for the steering is a sure fire deal killer for me. The other issues are the too small engine and the pricing. For a new challenger brand, it should be cheaper. I won't be buying one anytime soon.
Looks alright to be honest. For the price probably a good option... Id take that over the hilux work mate which is still 10 grand more expensive for 1/2 the amount of car 😂
The Chinese are getting the hang of European styling tastes….but the engines are still a step behind the times. Does look good tho, and someone who just wants the look (like every black Ute with black windows and black wheels ) then probably ok But then again, I drive the most hated Ute on the market so my taste is already in question lol (X350)
Drove a Haval for 5 years, resale was good despite cautions. Parts were cheap. It handled well till I sold it with 150000 km on the click. It was pretty good. Chinese vehicles arent as bad as the Ozzies want it to be.
The driver camera monitoring is the deal breaker. How can they make it not to switch off. Whose vehicle is it. Getting like computers, after you buy it there’s so many embedded programs they force upon you. No thanks.
You are so negative mate.Why not talk about the true value it brings for under 50k? You cant get anything similar to this on a Toyota, Ford, Mazda, ETC. It looks great, the brand is doing well in the overseas and it looks sexy. So why being negative for 6 minutes?
Thanks for your comment. I said it looks good, seems to have a decent interior and it offers 3500kg towing. But the rest of my comments are my opinion based on my experience as a car journalist for over 10 years, and having driven all rivals. If you buy one, you can tell me how it is after 3 years?
Because it features an old (Euro 5), weak (low power and torque) engine and it offers low ground clearance and, in my opinion, copied design elements from other utes. Also, these JACs are not selling well in China yet they are being sent over to Australia, which is very questionable in my view - 15 years experience as a motoring journalist. If you've had a good experience with the GWM, well done. That's great. I never said it was a lemon. I said the front suspension is terrible and needs further tuning to keep up with the current segment standards, in my opinion. PS. If you read correctly, the thumbnail for this video specifically asks a question: "Another lemon hazard?"
Ok. So now imagine how much easier it would be towing with a bit more grunt, and larger capacity to help with engine braking. Fuel economy would be better too as you don’t need to push it so much.
Anyone complaining about the intrusive safety features, they have to be standard in every car if they want a 5 star ancap rating, it isn't just the Chinese built vehicles that will have it. Blame the government for nannying every Australian with this "safety tech", they think that we are kids driving around doing donuts all day.
I remember when every body used to hate Japanese cars and so on and look at now. I think the Chinese cars are already here and proven them selfs. And at the end of the day every car manufacturer has issues including Toyota and ford . Depreciation and value is all made up. When buying cars we all loose out . The Jac looks good and it will be interesting to see the reviews when they get here .
Depreciation is not made up. It is literally the value of the car when it's time to sell, based on what vehicles have sold for. According to recent data from Redbook in Australia, car brands from emerging markets are not holding their value as well as some of the established models. Let me give you an example: 2018 Toyota HiLux SR5 automatic (main top spec) Price when new: $56,440 Resale value today (official guide): $40,050-$44,200 (avg: $42,125) Depreciation: $14,315, or a loss of 25.3% on new car price 2018 LDV T60 LUXE auto (main top spec) Price when new: $36,831 Resale value today: $16,900-$19,100 (avg: $18,000) Depreciation: $18,831, or a loss of 51.1% And yes, completely agree, Chinese cars are definitely getting there and I have no doubt the standards in engineering and design will be up to scratch in the near future. But the future isn't here yet.
@@avalosfamily8826 Of course. All new cars are pretty much a waste of money. But some hold more value than others, so you don't lose as much. I think it's an area worth considering when buying a new car that's all, especially these days - everything is a ripoff!
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia The LDV is almost 20k cheaper to start with. It will be interesting to see how they go. They also offer 7 years unlimited k warranty like the GWM. Its a risk you take when buying a Chinese vehicle. We have the LDV D90. Had no issues so far and 2 years in with 40k on the clock. 2.0ltr petrol. Wife loves it.
@@paulhinds7438 Yeah that’s awesome. I haven’t driven that one but I’ve heard it is a decent rig for its price. And you’re completely right, all brands have issues. None are perfect.
Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2.0TTD: 7.2L Nissan Navara PRO-4X manual 2.3TTD: 7.5L Mitsubishi Triton 2.4TTD: 7.7L (Keep in mind all offer more power and torque, and most are larger capacity)
So I should only comment positive on something I have not test driven? I sat in it and checked out all of the controls, I've analysed the specs, and this is my first impression compared with existing rivals.
Yeah i actually bought a gwm cannon has 50000 on the clock now only issue is the long dpf burn Otherwise i love it saved 40000 when i purchased it compared to a mainstream ute with the same tech but more power which i didnt need and most probably will lose 3/4 of purchase price but fk tax deduction and im ok with it .
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my first car was a torana, no airbags, still alive to tell the tale!
And many didn’t. What’s your point?
@@asum307 dont need to tech to drive, just need to know how to drive.
@@wagganationMFFMhave a head on in a torana compared to a late model say Camry. I know which one I’d rather be sitting in at the end of it. The toranas steering wheel will be probably punch an imprint into your chest and bonnet come through the windscreen. I love old cars eg torana, but safety wise you can’t beat 5 star safety ratings. Same again with side impact, I’d rather be sitting in the wife’s merc with 9 airbags / air curtains than a torana
@@Stevegrande1if you can drive.. how can you have a head on ???
6volt beetle here, but was better than the bus
I think is funny how everyone has an opinion regarding Chinese cars but have never owned one of the more recent ones. Its simple if you don't like them don't buy them i don't know why people have to knock them when they have never owned one and don't intend to.
Exactly, it reminds me of many years ago the same thing happened with Japanese cars, then Korean cars, now Chinese made cars. The current Chinese cars are much better engineered and manufactured than they were even 5 years ago
1 Yuan has been deposited into your account.
My friend has tank 300 and we were at snow, while he was getting changed he left his key in the tank and it locked itself and he had to wait in cold to mechanic to arrive while we snowboard and ski.
@@godrambe206 Lucky that no other brands ever have malfunction
I’m a mechanic, I base my opinion on shit I work on..
0-100kph: Forever with that engine!
Yep, I'm guessing around 12 seconds going by that kerb weight and power/torque.
I saw one today on the road beside the ranger man I tell you it looks bigger then a ranger
What happened to Foton? I used to see a few around, but they seem to have vanished. I could totally be wrong, by the way; just my personal observation. I saw a pristine Great Wall X240 the other day - definitely a rarity in 2024.
We still have a Foton. Still bombing on. 200,000ks minimum issues. Owes me nothing, pulls the caravan through rough station roads all the time. So just saying, they are not all gone😉
Foton still here but only selling trucks up to about 15 ton,no more utes,it appears that they have withdrawn from right hand drive markets, south Africa also
@@goldfools5445 Don't they have Cummins engine and ZF gearbox? That's an unbeatable combination
@@willryu2773 yes Cummins engine mine is a manual so Gertrag gearbox. Dana diffs and Borg Warner 4wd system. It’s not that flash but I have no intention of getting rid of it.
Hahaha reckon you're spot on with the call about the resale...
Works out the same in any car you buy
Pay 40k for a cheap car sell for 15to 20k
Or pay 80k for a Hilux or ranger and sell for 50 to 60k
@@madmanbeau227 Dont worry about resale price. Toyota and other japanese cars depreciate so quickly in china, because their new car price drop even quicker. Corolla hybrid is less than 21,000 AUD in China, compared 36,000 AUD in Melbourne.
Sick and tired of these 2L engines in utes
Driving the milk cartons 😂
Which one do you or did own?
Driving a cannon...towing a caravan, a boat idling behind smoking cruisers and patrols. Not that I would say I'm 105% satisfied but knowing that I paid less than a cruiser loses in value in the first 4 years makes me think twice.
On paper JAC T9 looks pretty good. My question, that will only be answered after they have gone on sale here in Australia, is whether is whether JAC Australia plays dirty with warranty and service. If they do, JAC vehicles name will be mud here in Australia.
Honestly, the ANCAP rating is quite impressive. Remember these are the latest and strictest tests so it's a lot safer than many older models from more well-known manufacturers however my biggest concern is reliability.
42/45 K is not the cheapest price around, from what I have looked up, the engine is a Isuzu design,410 is only just above the gwm ute nms, will go for a look but would suggest 450 nm is about the minimum needed
Front if giving vibes of the Triton and Hilux GR Sport.
Edit: Well well well, Brett said it himself 😂
Yes it seems there is some inspiration drawn from other utes...
Wish TRX.
Lol. Nice one 👌
Combination switches straight out of a Hyundai/Kia.
Hyundai manufacture for Ford, then suddenly produce their own cars, JAC manufacture for Hyundai, then suddenly produce their own cars. No wonder they all look the same.
Waiting on the Hybrid T9. Good value.
That 220v rear power point doesn’t meet ADRs
They bring out a sport trim ‘Dragon’
I'm sure the resale won't hold up as well as a Ranger / Hilux, etc, but I can't imagine it will be *that* bad?
Mahindra seem to hold an acceptable resale value and they're also a cut-price vehicle?
It looks good, but down on power, which means down on sales.
If it had a 145kw-160kw motor sales would be a lot better.
A ute is designed to carry stuff. A ute needs power. No tradesman has ever walked into a showroom and purchased on fuel effiency, ever! Now with the government about to f*ck things up with their taxing, we may never see a reasonable powered ute in the future. There is the Raptor, but a) it is over 100K, and b) you end up being another dickhead ranger driver.....🤣
Fair call but hi luxes and land cruisers used to have a lot less power and they carried our trades for decades.
@@goldfools5445 and some utes used to have a carby and 3 on the tree.
WTF is mood lighting in a ute for, actually never mind. I'd prefer not to know...😂
I'd say if you want to tow a 3.5t and and take "the family and all the gear", you shouldn't/cant use a DC ute anyway.
Is it a ZF transmission or a licensed copy of the ZF transmission?
I'm guessing it'll be like the "Cummins" in the Foton...
Manufacturers keep marketing this 3500kg crap, although some have more leftover payload than this. But I agree. Science suggests nobody should tow anything heavier than the tow vehicle unless the trailer has double the amount of wheels, like a proper 18-wheeler.
Any chips in there that report back to the Chinese government? Like their cameras! Good way of mapping Australia…
Yep, they're definitely harvesting data because I am sure they're interested in how mediocre your life is. 😂
They already have Captain Cooks map
Toyota Hilux poverty pack workmate ute is $56,000 on the road which is a 110kW and 400 Nm. Basic with vinyl floors and steel wheels. ITS CALLED VALUE FOR MONEY
Yes, but according to Redbook data (based on what people have actually sold their vehicles for), the HiLux drops only 25-30% of its value after 5 years. Brands like LDV and GWM (other like-minded 'value' brands) drop around 50%. In other words, that HiLux you're referring to will still be worth around $41,000 after 5 years. My professional opinion is that this T9 will be selling for around $20,000-25,000 on the used car market after 5 years.
That's without investigating other ownership experiences such as after-sales care, service availability and dealer network, long-term reliability. All of these areas are still an unknown in Australia, which is always a challenge for any new brand.
It will be interesting to see how it goes. If they can stick with it and keep pushing like MG, and even Hyundai-Kia in their early years, I have no doubt they will succeed.
Nice ram trx 😂
Same length arms haha
Brett Davis I think it needs some major upgrades from the fuel consumption,ground clearance, full steering wheel adjustments and others in particular.I would t purchase it at all despite being new to the game.For me its a nightmare😔😔
Germans got a saying " the farmer don't eat stuff he dont know"......
i suspect the future depreciation curve is gonna look more like a vertical cliff face
I still think SsangYong is a better ute in terms of price, warranty, and driving comfort.
Still waiting for a independent road test
The lack for reach adjustment for the steering is a sure fire deal killer for me. The other issues are the too small engine and the pricing. For a new challenger brand, it should be cheaper. I won't be buying one anytime soon.
Short arms?
Si should I buy one?
Depreciation will be faster than the 0-100 time!🤣
petrol cars is depreciating anyway.
Looks alright to be honest. For the price probably a good option... Id take that over the hilux work mate which is still 10 grand more expensive for 1/2 the amount of car 😂
Jac of all utes
The Chinese are getting the hang of European styling tastes….but the engines are still a step behind the times. Does look good tho, and someone who just wants the look (like every black Ute with black windows and black wheels ) then probably ok
But then again, I drive the most hated Ute on the market so my taste is already in question lol (X350)
Another under powered Chinese ute.
Drove a Haval for 5 years, resale was good despite cautions. Parts were cheap. It handled well till I sold it with 150000 km on the click. It was pretty good. Chinese vehicles arent as bad as the Ozzies want it to be.
@@calvinfrederick9126 Do you mind telling us how much you bought it for and what price you sold it?
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia bought for ZAR 189 000
Sold for ZAR R150 000.
The driver camera monitoring is the deal breaker. How can they make it not to switch off. Whose vehicle is it. Getting like computers, after you buy it there’s so many embedded programs they force upon you. No thanks.
You are so negative mate.Why not talk about the true value it brings for under 50k? You cant get anything similar to this on a Toyota, Ford, Mazda, ETC. It looks great, the brand is doing well in the overseas and it looks sexy. So why being negative for 6 minutes?
Thanks for your comment.
I said it looks good, seems to have a decent interior and it offers 3500kg towing. But the rest of my comments are my opinion based on my experience as a car journalist for over 10 years, and having driven all rivals.
If you buy one, you can tell me how it is after 3 years?
Chinese Triton. You can't unsee it
I think power output is similar to havals would be good for daily but wouldn't buy for towing
Agree, I think it will struggle towing a mid-to-large rig with those outputs.
Why is it lemon? Owned GWM cannon for 3 years,not a single issue. And you reviewed it as lemon.
Because it features an old (Euro 5), weak (low power and torque) engine and it offers low ground clearance and, in my opinion, copied design elements from other utes. Also, these JACs are not selling well in China yet they are being sent over to Australia, which is very questionable in my view - 15 years experience as a motoring journalist.
If you've had a good experience with the GWM, well done. That's great. I never said it was a lemon. I said the front suspension is terrible and needs further tuning to keep up with the current segment standards, in my opinion.
PS. If you read correctly, the thumbnail for this video specifically asks a question: "Another lemon hazard?"
It’s called tilt and rake adjustment. My chery moods 5 has both. So it isn’t all Chinese cars …
Thanks. Yep not all, but a lot in my experience.
GWM Cannon has a 2 Litre Motor, 120 KW and 400 NM of Torque, On TH-cam Tows a 3 Tone Caravan Around Australia No Problem.
Ok. So now imagine how much easier it would be towing with a bit more grunt, and larger capacity to help with engine braking. Fuel economy would be better too as you don’t need to push it so much.
Are JAC tied up with VAG somehow?
Yes, they have a partnership in China.
that partnership is in China domestic market EV area so not relevant here. JAC is more traditionally partnered with Isuzu in commercial cars
Anyone complaining about the intrusive safety features, they have to be standard in every car if they want a 5 star ancap rating, it isn't just the Chinese built vehicles that will have it. Blame the government for nannying every Australian with this "safety tech", they think that we are kids driving around doing donuts all day.
I remember when every body used to hate Japanese cars and so on and look at now. I think the Chinese cars are already here and proven them selfs. And at the end of the day every car manufacturer has issues including Toyota and ford . Depreciation and value is all made up. When buying cars we all loose out . The Jac looks good and it will be interesting to see the reviews when they get here .
Depreciation is not made up. It is literally the value of the car when it's time to sell, based on what vehicles have sold for. According to recent data from Redbook in Australia, car brands from emerging markets are not holding their value as well as some of the established models. Let me give you an example:
2018 Toyota HiLux SR5 automatic (main top spec)
Price when new: $56,440
Resale value today (official guide): $40,050-$44,200 (avg: $42,125)
Depreciation: $14,315, or a loss of 25.3% on new car price
2018 LDV T60 LUXE auto (main top spec)
Price when new: $36,831
Resale value today: $16,900-$19,100 (avg: $18,000)
Depreciation: $18,831, or a loss of 51.1%
And yes, completely agree, Chinese cars are definitely getting there and I have no doubt the standards in engineering and design will be up to scratch in the near future. But the future isn't here yet.
True but you still loose money mate .
@@avalosfamily8826 Of course. All new cars are pretty much a waste of money. But some hold more value than others, so you don't lose as much.
I think it's an area worth considering when buying a new car that's all, especially these days - everything is a ripoff!
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia The LDV is almost 20k cheaper to start with. It will be interesting to see how they go. They also offer 7 years unlimited k warranty like the GWM. Its a risk you take when buying a Chinese vehicle. We have the LDV D90. Had no issues so far and 2 years in with 40k on the clock. 2.0ltr petrol. Wife loves it.
@@paulhinds7438 Yeah that’s awesome. I haven’t driven that one but I’ve heard it is a decent rig for its price.
And you’re completely right, all brands have issues. None are perfect.
300kg is better than 65kg you get from a silverado at max gcm.
I was out when he said driver monitoring and more beeps.... if you need this crap you clearly shouldn't be behind the wheel.
😂
The only chinese made veh sold in Japan
👍👍👍👍👍
The torque is pathetic.
7.6 l/100km not that good ? Seriously !!!!
Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2.0TTD: 7.2L
Nissan Navara PRO-4X manual 2.3TTD: 7.5L
Mitsubishi Triton 2.4TTD: 7.7L
(Keep in mind all offer more power and torque, and most are larger capacity)
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Real world???
@@kwridgway Official average rating, just like the T9.
What a rubbish pick up. No one in China will buy this.
Purely waste of time watching this video, why why why you comment negative on something you did not test drive
So I should only comment positive on something I have not test driven?
I sat in it and checked out all of the controls, I've analysed the specs, and this is my first impression compared with existing rivals.
You are worst saleman... or promoter... where is this car 😮
@@michaelnanub7838 I’m not a salesman or promoter. I’m a journalist.
Support the CCP?
Don’t complain in the future.
You support the ccp when you buy anything 😂
Trash
Yeah i actually bought a gwm cannon has 50000 on the clock now only issue is the long dpf burn
Otherwise i love it saved 40000 when i purchased it compared to a mainstream ute with the same tech but more power which i didnt need and most probably will lose 3/4 of purchase price but fk tax deduction and im ok with it .
Your bias shines through.
Biased towards what?
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia bias toward telling the truth. How dare you speak facts.