Inside A Chinese EV Graveyard - Uncovering The Truth In Person
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2023
- Recent press reports and certain prominent TH-camrs and Twitter accounts have been making some pretty strong accusations about Chinese EV graveyards, claiming false registrations to inflate numbers, environmental concerns, and corruption. But how much truth is there in the words? We visited one of the featured sites in person to see how much basis there was to the claims, and found there's even more to these sites than you might think.
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Really appreciate you for doing actual investigation on the ground instead of making up wild speculations and spreading false information like most people tend to do. Hopefully these evs can be restored and sold to other markets for cheap or be used for scrap instead of sitting there and rotting away.
I believe in the truth where I can find it so this was too good a chance to miss as it's not far from Shanghai. Honestly I wanted to see if it was really true or not, and of course some is and some isn't. But we're here, not in South Africa making videos with negative intentions, so I can go see for real.
If there is a profit to be made, rest assured that someboody is good to it.
@@joem0088 yea unfortunately there will always be a ton of money to be made in spreading false information and hatred.
@@MAR771N Yes, but I wasn't refering to the click bait business. I was thinking of the business of refurbishing these parked cars into some kind of use. Someone who figures out the way will make a profit.
@@joem0088 ah okay i misunderstood. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution quickly then since it might be too late if they wait too long.
Thanks for going there. Glad there are still a handful of people who care about old-fashioned things like truth.
There's very few of us left mate. Still hoping one day the tide will turn and ordinary will enter the conversation again.
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Of course y'all simpin , you got that yellow fever 💀
Good to hear true facts.
@@InsideChinaAutoHow much are you getting pay by the CCP to regurgitate their propaganda? I have seen hundreds of other brand new cars sitting in fields. Did you know that Chinese car manufacturers are counting sale to dealership as an actual sale? Please do your homework my guy.
We are sick of these propaganda. Thanks for telling the truth
You're welcome.
So sad that lying has become the norm for so many people who have an agenda.
As Winston Churchill said, (in a time of relative honesty):
'A lie can get halfway round the world before the truth has got its pants on.'
As true today as it was then. More so even with the Internet.
That is true unfortunately. Coincidentally, the biggest perpetrator of this most recent China junkyard fiasco lie is also named "Winston".
This is the best comment to CCP propaganda video. +1
Reminds me of an old saying, I think it goes "Liar, Liar, Pants on Backwards" or something like that.
@@BioniqBob I think you mean "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." In this case i have provided what we all know to be truth, and some are pretending like they don't know.
Please don't stop doing reporting like this again (if a situation arises).
Thank you. If chance comes, I'll do more again.
@@InsideChinaAuto🎉🎉🎉
@@InsideChinaAutobut you don't have Chinese passport😂
@@matpk Why do I need one?
Finally we got the thruth about this with evidences. Thanks for this because the fake videos talking about this spreaded away all over the world, including Europe and we needed answers.
Indeed they did. I genuinely wanted to know too so I went to find out.
You can sleep at night now! Lol
Did you. This is his version of the truth, absolutely nothing to prove this is correct.
On a lovely sunny day the car dump looks almost picturesque! I wonder if anyone has thought of making it into a tourist site?
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Thanks so much for this informative video. It's not news that lots of selfmedia vloggers like to exaggerate things and even fabricate facts to attract attention.
Indeed it isn't. The news is when someone counters it with facts because facts are in short supply these days.
Thanks for doing this. The original video has been broadcasted by quite a few TH-camrs. Some say those cars are for fake sales. But your video definitely debunks that false claims. Good job!
I was curious too, wasn't sure what to expect when I got there, but it wasn't exactly as stated and the original piece lacked context.
Corruption is fairly common in China, not sure if the video you saw was the same as the one I did but the ones I saw were clearly new. The truth is not so clear, more than likely there are a mix of new vehicles and those from ex car share schemes. The CCP were heavily subsidising "new energy vehicles", usually when any government do these special schemes they get abused by crooks making a fast buck, this is the reality of the world we live in.
China historically had limits on the age of vehicles (same as Japan) this was not good for the environment as perfectly good serviceable vehicles got scrapped ( dumped in fields).
@@ianlouden7939brainless bot trying hard to cope. You want us to believe your biases over someone who went to the ground to verify. Lmaoooo
. It shows just how difficult it is to unlearn propaganda and biases.
@@SuperiorNatoDoctrine its been reported on from a number of sources, why is this one 100% correct but others are not?
Look up who sponsors Inside China Auto and tell me this is a 100% independent factual report! My original comment was giving the benefit of the doubt to this report but now I am pretty sure these cars are new, making a car look old by throwing a drink bottle and a few leaves into a car doesn't mean it's old. The thousands of cars in the distance could be anything, they are too far away to tell what they are.
As the CCP don't like any negative news getting out I will assume this video is NOT factual.
There’s so much rubbish spouted on TH-cam and it’s just created to win views. And most people believe it. It’s always the lone voice who is right. Thank you for this honest report
No problem David. Thanks for the lovely comment.
Mike. Thanks for doing this video. I saw the fake news from TH-cam and was beginning to doubt China EV market sales. U did the world a great service for reporting the truth. Just subscribed to ur channel. Thanks again.
Hey no worries mate. Glad you enjoyed it.
Appreciate your respect for truth. I hope the people who put out fake videos have a conscience and will retract them.
Can only say good luck with that. You'll be hoping for a long time.
@@InsideChinaAuto You are right. That man has no honour or respect for truth.
Great video. Not only being factual, but providing some detailed info and even some context. Bravo!
I have seen several critiques of the initial inflammatory video. But none of them had this fortuitous access to the site, and none mentioned the unsold imports from VW group, or the infamous Toyota BZ4X.
Yeah, that's a lot of unsold Toyota cars.
Things I only discovered when I got there. I'm not sure the VWs are imports, they make those models here, but the Audis, Toyotas and Hondas I'm not so sure. I'll have to check. Only way to see what's real is to go see. Luckily I had the chance and it's open for anyone to go in.
@@InsideChinaAuto It is hilarious all those sensationalist videos with ominous music about "things the CCP DON"T want you to know about this massive auto graveyard!!!!". Meanwhile the Chinese government probably has no idea about this place, and even a random white dude like you can just roll up and stroll right in!
Bz4x is a bad EV.
Its just a small graveyard. In western countries, there are tens of thousands of repo or used cars at auction yards.
Of course. They don't make headlines though, eh?
I remember visiting relatives in America in the mid-80s, and my uncle took me to a car auction where honestly in any direction, field after field, there were cars for sale. Some were Porsche some were local American but every single car of every value you could imagine as far as the eye could see
I've worked at the auctions in Dallas, cars was constantly being cycled and besides some of the repo cars, could move under their own power.
@@InsideChinaAuto Because they are common knowledge. This is not about denial of car graveyards,but about the untruths posted about this specific one.
Yes but they don't have lithium ion batteries in them and there are auto Wreckers along with car crushers in place to recycle all of those ICE vehicles 🤔
I'm amazed you got close enough to video this as I would think it's on private property, obviously not
Almost as if its set up
Walked, well drove, straight in. I was surprised too, I really thought it would be a hole in the fence job.
CCP don’t just employ Chinese 🤫
@@dontwastetimetoday493 That's because in China, you can leave it unattended and it won't get stolen, in US, it's ripe for the taking.
Very professional and informative video. Thank you for disseminating truth online unlike the others.
You're welcome.
Thanks for doing this, I had a feeling that serpentza was lying about it and here you are, substantiated my suspicion.
You are, sir, a bloody legend.
Haha, just a guy with a camera and some actual knowledge of this stuff. He was right on the car sharing cars but given he's been out the country a while now, he could never understand why those old cars have no route back to usefulness or ownership.
@@InsideChinaAutoBut you don't have Chinese passport😂
@@matpk And then?
Hey Mark, I did watch the vid. about the EV graveyard and it was a jaw-dropped news and I started to question China's EV sales NO. and I almost lost faith to China's EV market or Chinese gov. thank you so much to clear all the mess for us. You have done sth much bigger and greater. That's the reason why your reviews are the best and nobody comes close in my eyes.
Haha, very much appreciate those comments. Thank you.
Written like a classic wumao.
Lmao 'hey mark, I did watch the vid'
Sure bro.....that's exactly how we talk 🤣😂
Jaw-dropped news right?
@@ohsnapsonbro4260so u agree he WU ur MA in her 0
So prove him wrong. 😂😂
@@ohsnapsonbro4260everyone is a native English speaker right? 😂 Take your meds lil bro
@@dexorne9753 yeah neither am I. Still....
Jaw-dropped news right?
Wumao much bud?
Thank god somebody is at last telling the truth. I am obviously British but I follow the car market worldwide very closely because I work with many in the
Glad you appreciate it mate.
Thank you for adding context to the original poster's video because at first I believed what they were saying, but now after getting your take it is clear that the original poster was trying to spin a narrative.
As so many are these days. Apparently it makes money.
Thats an amazing reveal! Thanks for the clarification from the outrageous initial investigation regarding these abandoned vehicles.
No problem.
Now that is journalism. Simple leg work and verification, well done.
Sometimes you have to just go and see things in person.
Great reporting, thank you very much for you effort to deliver the truth! Well done!!
No worries Chris. I was in the area for filming and curious myself, seemed only logical to go take a look.
Thank you for that information, I saw the video too, why would a person waste time creating misinformation it's beyond me.
Because misinformation and extreme agendas pay sadly.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, this confirms that there are indeed a lot of "discarded" EVs sitting around in China due to the failure of car-sharing companies, which largely sprang up to take advantage of government subsidies. However, there aren't nearly as many as the original video (by 'serpentza') claims, and they are NOT in fact leaking chemicals all over the place. (Btw, those batteries are indeed recyclable, and will probably be "harvested" in the not-too-distant future.)
Basically right, yes, though I'm not sure what subsidies were being given out for car sharing schemes, if any, they'd be more likely for sales of cars but I'm not an expert on what subsidies there are/were. Clearly if there ever were, there aren't any anymore because nobody is rushing into this space. Bear in mind most people got into the 'sharing' game not for money but for the value of the data. Knowing where people go and when is big business if done right.
I've seen the other video on YT that you are referring to (although there is more than just that one) and it is a stark contrast to what you portray here.
It's scary that misinformation/disinformation is allowed on this scale. Worldwide, we need a clampdown on the BS so that we get a clear indicator of the state of the planet and its resources. Waste management is more important than ever these days, and living practises need a thorough review.
I'll just throw one example into the ring. Television sets. Why on earth do we need so many options? Massively oversized screens, harmful chemicals within and ultimately, they are nothing more than something you look at for an hour or two to fill a gap in your day. In Costco they have upwards of 20 different sets, all showing the same crap. This needs sorting out sooner rather than later.
I'd love to believe we have what it takes as a society to have a reasoned conversation on that exact subject but my faith in our collective humanity perished long ago.
But in regards to waste management, the conclusion of the other videos are correct. These outdated BEVs are not going to be recycled . This is the Modus Operandi of China - take an idea that makes short-term profits, mass produce that commodity, abuse trade relations to push out competitors, nationalize industry, go bust, repeat, with no regards to the environmental impact.
These stuff is everywhere and its even worst in other places like US and Japan
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Thanks for that. In those videos I commented that there was no dust on the windows even though it was in a rural area, There was no long grass between the vehicles. Therefore they were put there recently. You have solved the problem of why they were there- ride sharing. Others lacked a spare part in manufacturing. Others were bank repossessions..
Indeed. The vast majority are from bust companies that tried something that didn't work. Once bust, presumably assets get seized and need dealing with. As of yet, if seems most haven't been dealt with, likely because it's not economical to do anything with them. Eventually it will have to be sorted though, at the very least having the batteries removed.
@@InsideChinaAuto The tradition with failed Chinese goods is to dump them in Africa at low prices.
@steveblomefield9513 Quite possibly. Don't know enough about that to comment though I do feel bad if these are the cars they're getting. The Neta Vs wouldn't be so bad, they're basic but OK and relatively recent, but the BJEVs not so much.
@@InsideChinaAuto Whenever there are new technologies, there is usually a craze of new companies that are startups. In Chine there were 500 EV companies. Now most of them go bust, some of them are merged with other companies and fade from history. After 40 years only a handful of companies remain that have all the patents and have a known trusted brand. The surviving companies have created deflation, where they are able to mass market their product at cheaper prices [lower prices, razor thin prices, bring a greater volume of buyers, creating greater .volume of profits]. This creates deflation. We see this with tesla who, because of greater volume of slues is able to lower prices but yet have incredible profits because of greater volumes. They also get brand recognition. Thus customers desert other companies and rush to the cheaper, better tesla. Because of greater profits, tesla is able to manufacture more charging stations, have better electronics, have better software, learns more manufacturing lessons, improves manufacturing methods , all the while getting better and better. Other companies get left behind and go bust. There is nothing wrong with seeing a field of 5000 unsold cars. It is normal with new technology. In my day there were 500 computer manufacturing startups. Now there are only a handful, but the ones we have have razor thin margins but greater profits. Today we have AI startups, a veritable fleas nest of startups. They will be merged with other companies and only a few will remain. Having 490 causalities is normative and there is no shame in that.
... and they all have active license plates. No one scraps a car with the plate, you keep the plate with you because getting a plate alone can be very difficult in the large cities.
Thank you for the honesty. Agree, ask a person in the country who is familiar.
No problem mate
Thanks for investing time to research the facts behind the superficial headlines! Greatly appreciated! 👍
No problem Mike. I had the chance to go find this place after somebody mentioned it, I hunted it on Baidu Maps, and went to see for myself. I too was curious.
Subscribed, decent video
Yellow peril is a hot commodity again now that China is the world leading automotive market and EV competitor...
Cheers. Super basic video this. I promised I'd make it so I did but my bread and butter is the car reviews, didn't really have the time to make this as decent as it could have been. Just sticking to the facts.
@@InsideChinaAuto can't go wrong with that recipe
Thanks for your informative accurate assessment. There was a lot of hyperbole including the "rotting away", which gives pause for thought about veracity
Veracity is usually a tool that's used to make up for any real facts, it's just bluster. I have an old Mini and that is genuinely rotting away at the back of my Dad's field so I know what rotting looks like. These definitely aren't yet, but in time they will if not disposed of properly.
Need more of these investigations, we are a few who still care about facts. Thank you !
Will see what opportunities come about in future. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for revealing the truth about this.
No problem.
I saw that video a few weeks ago, got suckered in. Saw this one purely by chance. Excellent work thanks!
Are you sure you are not being suckered in again?
No worries mate. It's easy to do. Some of what he said was right but lacking in context but the 10,000 Neta Vs part was way way off.
Ooh, we've caught a live one Geoff.
@@wafudave6041 go back to SerpentZA
I guessed the truth was closer to what you are saying. Some people are over the top negative and really sensational when it comes to China. Great video, thanks.
Tell me about it.
Thank you for bringing the truth into the light, I wonder what might happen to these EVs... let's hope these do not rot in the wild instead of getting use somewhere else
You're welcome. I'm curious myself what will happen to them. Might go check on them again next time I'm in Hangzhou.
Once, long ago, I drove through Nevada and southern California and along the world's largest airplane parking lot! Amazing site - some planes without engines, without tails, most without brands (you could detect KLM blue 😅, but most were white) and I could imagine some totally untrue stories as well. Social Media are for the ego's of the publisher - not at all reporting so one grain of salt is not enough at all! On the other hand, some more openness with China would make people understand each other more - in general. Such articles would then, possibly, been quickly disregarded by clarifications like yours. And this video in that sense helps mutual understanding a lot! Hope that these assets find a way to good use. Thanks for the great on site (!) vlog!
Cheers Nas. We are indeed a divided world, we don't often listen to each other enough. My part here is tiny but it's what I had a chance to do.
I've seen that a few times in CA. Way out in the middle of the desert. Although there might be an Airforce base nearby, I really can't remember.
That's probably the same scrap yard that crushed the EV1s...
@@toyotaprius79
I think maybe the post above is referring to an airplane graveyard near Victorville, Ca. But the EV1 was sent to the GM proving grounds, which is in Arizona, near Yuma.
If you were coming from or going to Nevada, you probably would not go through Yuma, which is next to the Mexican border and pretty far from the Nevada border.
Shouldn't it be Chinese that come forward and share their stories?
Oh wait, the CCP blocks their citizens from accessing the outside world thru The Great Firewall 🤔
So yeah, all I ever see is the uncensored horrors of China because that's the only leaks that aren't curated China State media propaganda of CGTN or Global Times
Man you're crazy, going online and making nuanced content that attempts to present things as they really are. You're a true radical in this day an age.
gotta be crazy to believe any of this yea. China is dumping EV's.
Haha. Can you imagine? The nerve of it.
@@transformerstuff7029why don't u prove it. Should be easy for u
Name of the field ?
Car model ?
Company name ?
@@JonySmith-bb4gx oh you can still see my comment? that is impressive. I can't even see it anymore......insidechinaauto deleted it......or something...
@@JonySmith-bb4gxyeah right. When I saw this account name Inside China Auto, not sure he tell the truth
Brilliant! Thanks you so much for clearing up the blatant misinformation out there. 🙂
No worries. Somebody should.
Thank you for shedding light of truth.
No problem.
Thank you for giving us the truth
No problem. This is just one location, I can't apply the results to other places, but I wanted to see it for myself because I didn't believe Neta needed to falsely register cars so I went to find out.
Appreciated your fact check report as it is rare and valuable these days !🙏
You're welcome David.
Thank you, Mark! Much appreciated your efforts and vid.
Cheers Jacob.
It’s actually sad to see such things happened and it happens all over the world unfortunately. Many thanks for reporting and put the right spot on incorrect information. Generally speaking I also want to compliment and comment you for your in deep review and analysis of the Chinese car industry and its fascinating developments. Sincerely hope to see some of them (which appears to come) in Europe and offers a solid and productive competition. Cordialement
Thank you very much, I'm glad you like the content. And yeah, it is sad to see this. Hopefully they get recycled.
It may happen elsewhere, but in China pollution and environmental negligence is on a whole different scale than anywhere else.
You're dreaming if you think China will do the environmentally responsible thing. It's only about short term profits and flashy projects to entice investors. See the Tofu Dreg Real Estate projects flooding and crumbling apart .
I hope I never see a Chinese vehicle in my country, especially any of their shoddy EV knockoff brands that have flooded the market and will be abandoned in a matter of months/years.
@@Metapharsical brainwashed sheep detected! You should stop watching greyed out and dimmed video about China à la western media
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
I did watch the video you are referring to. Thanks for putting things into perspective.
No problem.
Thanks for this! I had to go to every video about this "abandoned ev" telling the facts and truth... but yeah a bigger brand should buy them and repurpose them like geely, gac, saic, changan or BYD even if it it for home purposes...
That they should. Make something useful out of them.
While I feel a bit bad for falling for the original 'report', thank you so much for taking the time to research and showcase this. You corrected a big wrong.
Pause the video. Count the cars, you'll soon learn the video is filled with lies. Enjoy.
Well used cars he says..... doesn't show actual wear on the cars or their mileage. 🤣
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 So, then teach me, just list the lies you have encountered.
No worries Ronald.
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 so your proof ?
@@ronalddolman2654 you can't read?
These cars are all taxis or shared cars for official use. It’s not that the car doesn‘t work, but that the company goes out of business or is upgraded. If these cars were scrapped, they would have been dismantled long ago.
Exactly. They all likely work quite well. They're not as good as modern cars but some people still drive these in more rural areas and city outskirts.
Thank you for this information. The truth is always respected and appreciated.
You're welcome. Had to go see it for myself.
Right. Find out the truth and release to public that can decrease the bad EV provider or manufacturer etc.
It's not so much an issue of the EV, just that China moved on at an unprecedented speed and these cars just cannot compete anymore, rendering them worthless at least in China.
Sounds like he works for the CCCP. Otherwise he would be jailed or deported.
The voices in Tim's head are at it again.
Excellent on-the-ground investigative work. Keep it coming.
Subscribed.
Cheers Steve.
Thanks for investigating and sharing the truth
You're welcome
Excellent video. which appears to be the truth. It earns you a like and a subscription. Well done.
Thank you very much.
Good on you for finding the truth. I have had this happen real time. Low season we hibernate about 2-300 rental cars in a quarry, parked up as you see in the vid for 2-3 months. For security we remove the front number plate ( stops plate stealing). We recieved notification from council via irate landowner, accused of dumping, environmental hazard ...... some "green" politician "going to expose the company & prosecute " They were banging their drums and making a total song & dance, including TV crew that broke into & trespassed to film. until they found the facts & truth. Not one apology.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect one either. As has been said recently, EVs have become the new culture war (as if we don't already have enough), it's extreme opinions or nothing. These cars are a waste here no doubt but it's the cars themselves that are the problem, not the EV part, because they were cheap and crap and now you can get cheap, better, and new.
Good video. Thanks for your work in finding out what this was.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for doing this.
No problem. You got some EV industry going on in Jamaica? That's awesome.
Fascinating! Great video - I’d love to see more like this!
Glad you liked it. If opportunities come, I'll take them on.
@@InsideChinaAutoI'm sure there's more white monkey jobs in your future if you don't criticize the CCP 👍
They're gonna need all the PR help they can get when they invade Taiwan
Very informative, and makes a lot more sense than the false rumors
Thank you. Just giving a chance to show what it was like on the ground.
Well done. Thanks so much. Even legacy media is like these til tok journalists and you have done such a great job at explaining all the factors behind
I used to work in mobility back in the day so had access to a lot of the information, plus you could see a lot with your eyes developing in front of you on the streets.
Thanks again, I liked your effort so much that I faithfully subscribed to the channel
@@isrark3 Much appreciated. I'll strive to keep serving good stuff on various topics.
That guy who made fake news was a jark.
Ironically their video says China is the "country of shortcuts and facades". The only shortcuts here are the ones they're taking to fact-finding.
Good to hear this. To me, I was shocked by that story, but this clears a lot about how and why.
Very good to hear bikes and subways and trains dominate over cars.
The US could rethink it's car driven mind.
BTW, hope here it does not start any fire...... damn that would be a mess.
Not just car driven mind but truck driven mind.
@@InsideChinaAuto Oh yes... the allmighty F150 and brothers... ;-(
Thank you gentlemen for enlightening us.
No problem mate.
Thanks for providing first hand information about this.
No problem. I was lucky to see somebody's tip on the location and it's close enough to go check out.
Excellent 👏
Thank you. It's a lousy video production wise, not half beautiful like my others, but it says what was there.
@@InsideChinaAuto well, that's what I was after 👍
Spot on and fabulous to see someone who knows and lives amongst the worlds biggest EV producer and gets it, as it is, thank you.
Glad you liked it. I try to keep balance in all that I do and have a desire to see both sides where I can.
thank you for the investigation which makes a lot of sense.
No problem at all.
Thanks for the info and the pictures. Not everything is rosy over there, but facts are facts. Waiting for the next-one?
Cheers Olaf. Let's see what can be investigated that fits in around my reviews. Barely had time to make this to be honest, I've got a bunch of car reviews waiting for me to edit.
Thank you. So....do not trust random videos with suspect claims on TH-cam and Twitter!
Or at least do some investigating. If it sounds insane, chances are it at least isn't quite as bad as it sounds or inaccurate.
Thank you for explaining!
You're welcome.
Thankyou . And what a great explanation . And well put together video 👍🏽
Thanks Kevin. The video itself is pretty turd, not as beautiful as my other stuff, but it has the facts as seen at least.
Thank You so much for checking up these "news" in person !!!
👍🏼🖖🏻
No problem.
I am shocked that not everything I see on the Internet is true???? Lol...Thank you for doing the video...great job!
Mike
You're welcome Mike.
Yeah this video is definitely not true.
@ohsnapsonbro4260 I've shown my proof, where's yours?
@@InsideChinaAuto why not answer coward? You dislike logic and fact?
@@InsideChinaAuto why didn't you show the mileage or all that wear from being well used?
Can we consider the video that claimed the evidence is a clickbait?
I mean that guy's entire channel is clickbait. You scroll back far enough and you'll see when he tried his hand at honest vlogging about life in China, going out all day, editing down all that footage, just to accumulate 50k views over years. Now he can pull some video/pics from the internet, loop it on a green screen behind him, barf out some "China bad" script, and get maybe as many as a million clicks in as little as a week, then just rinse and repeat the next week. Unsurprisingly he's gonna stick with this new business model.
@@tren133yep I saw his channel and my first reaction was “meh this guy is untrustworthy “
Without a doubt you can. Obviously he does try to convince people by trying to make out that it's concern and the environment and he really tries hard to give a semblance of rationality but some of the claims are outright lies, like the more than 10,000 number. I just went to see how real those numbers were.
@@InsideChinaAuto the numbers are over exaggerated and his motives are clear
@cocoaiscool2709 Definitely. There's no doubting that. It's a business model and it works for him, rightly or wrongly.
Fascinating! Thank you!
You're welcome.
Brilliant and refreshingly balanced
Thanks Daniel. Balance is what I strive to achieve. A few very of us still stick to journalistic values, at least the ones journalists are supposed to have.
I will take your video with a pinch of salt as advised.
Joking aside thanks for the video, makes a lot more sense. It still is concerning on two points however:-
1. How many places through China is that replicated and what is going to happen to the cars?
2. What happens when the next big technology jump happens and all the current EV cars become obsolete. Are the "car parks" going to be 10x bigger filled with 2021/22/23 models?
I guess that is a different story though.
If the car is good then there are people who want to buy them. If the car is crap then its vallue will drop too 0.
I am afraid this is nothing new when I was in America in the mid-80s, I would go to vehicle auctions that would be thousands upon thousands of vehicles of all kinds strewn across many fields. Some of them were insurance right off, and some of them were brand-new. (as far as I could tell anyway.) of every kind make and value.
My thoughts exactly, "zakelwe". Still very disturbing to see these just parked up and no effort to recycle or reuse - at least for the batteries. Tells me we don't know how to recycle used/obsolete batteries yet. Not good for the strip mining operations going on around the world. What an utter waste. Shame.
1. As in bankruptcy sales the world over, they’ll go to auction. Some might get a second life as a learner vehicle etc, but the overwhelmingly vast majority will be bought by recycle and scrap merchants. China is one of a handful of countries that recycle lithium EV batteries - I don’t think any western countries recycle batteries more than a token amount. 2. We’re going to see EV car parks growing all over the world - it’s not an especially Chinese problem. Lithium batteries are a major environmental and safety problem because they burn like a flame thrower and emit lethal skin burning fumes - check out videos of burning EV cars after a car crash for some examples.
There are more of them though I'm not sure how many. Some are in the original video, No Place To Place 2, though they seem to be smaller than this and have the really really crap cars in them. Honestly the issue is not the EV part, it's the car itself. The cars in these parks, not the Neta so much as its newer, but the others were the cheapest, crappiest cars they could be, and the Chinese car industry has just gotten so much better in the last 5 years, so much more value, 100x better infotainment and interiors, the competition (there's about 70 Chinese brands) is intense so you snooze you die. The EV part of these cars is probably what an early Nissan Leaf is in Europe, but the interior is like what an original Mini is to a new one. Nobody will want them, they're not economical to fix and sell, so as one guy said, you have to hope the batteries get recycled and the cars scrapped at some point.
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Thank you for the insightful video, sir. If it's within your capacity, could you please consider exploring additional aspects of China through a separate channel? Your expertise would undoubtedly provide valuable and accurate information.
It's certainly something I can look at at some point. For now I'm pretty fully booked with car stuff but I'll consider whatever comes up given the right chance. Glad you appreciate the video.
It's certainly something I can look at at some point. For now I'm pretty fully booked with car stuff but I'll consider whatever comes up given the right chance. Glad you appreciate the video.
Thx for giving the right context on these fields. Still a pitty as you say.
No problem.
Please make a video about the new Haval H5. I know it's an ICE, I know it's a large, heavy SUV, so not environmentally friendly at all, but it looks to be a very unique value proposition, i.e., it's dirt cheap, given all the metal Great Wall is throwing into the car! Thank you!
I'll see what I can do. I don't mind ICE or EV, I do both if they're compelling enough.
Thank you very much for your effort and determination of unveiling the truth. We all know which you-tuber was the one who posted the misleading video. He is not only evil but also absolutely disgusting, never ending lies and hate creating misleading info. Sad part is he used to live in China and sure had a decent time living there, Not sure how anyone with this kind of behaviour can sleep... I guess there is Karma and it will serve him well when time comes. Wish all his followers can find yr video here, sure there is no point linking yrs to his as he will delete immediately , but he is a sick man
I'm sure it will. I haven't watched his other stuff but I've seen the thumbnails here and there and they tell you all you need to know.
Couldn't sound like more of a CCP shill if you tried
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Sadly, that same TH-camr pulls in millions of views. As such, he's likely funded by the US State Department as many popular media assets get compensated extremely well for pushing US propaganda.
Thank you for the truthful information.
No problem
Great Video Bro , really appreciate you for doing this on on ground investigation.
It just struck me. Is it possible for someone to buy these cars?
I'm sure it is but I'd have to find who owns them and what exactly is happening with them. I'm planning to go back one day to see what more I can find out then see what we're looking at.
@@InsideChinaAuto It would be great if these EVs could be purchased. If they are in working condition, I am interested in purchasing these EVs. If you're interested, we can work together on this, which would be advantageous for both of us.
@@prateekjain393 Will see what I can find out. I'm in Hangzhou soon, will see what I can do.
Found your channel yesterday after the e sport coupe (neta gt, is this same car maker as with these videos , just as you said 5-6 years later and much better?)and watch many videos this night and was pleasantly surprised about this debunking video! (: man keep your quality up, really enjoy the insights into china auto like your channel name states ^^
Glad you found us mate and glad you like the videos. Neta has been like watching evolution in real time. Their first V was so bad, almost made from aftermarket parts, but what they're making now is lightyears better.
Would have been interesting to try and figure out who owns them and how much they want for one. They seem left unlocked so they must not care too much about what happens to them, would they take a few hundred RMBs in exchange for a set of keys? 😅
Honestly, I think they probably would. I didn't have time to go around asking people, had a car to film for the day, but I'd go back.
Thanks a ton for sharing!
No worries.
Excellent on the ground reporting! Newly subbed!
Thank you very much.
Excellent work, thanks for debunking those lies.
You're welcome.
Nice investigation! Too many anti China vlogger who have no idea just regurgitate anti China video that just do it to get views.
Thank you. Yes, and that's exactly why I was curious to see how much truth there was to this story.
Thanks for explaining this.
No problem
Thanks for digging out the truth!
No worries.
Thanks for exploding yet another anti-BEV myth. It's a bloody shame these cars unable to be used (yet), but this is economics.
It is sad, but it's also a sign of how far EVs came in China in just 6 years that these are almost worthlessness now. Good news is the battery materials are all totally recyclable so they can be useful again once somebody decides to sort them.
Ha ha ! So the only new unsold cars here are VW Audi and Toyota! What a delicious irony. I am speculating that many of these vehicles may not have the most valuable component anymore anyway? (The battery pack).
I wasn't able to see but I suspect the batteries are still attached. The VWs Audis and Toyotas will get sold eventually but they're not popular so it'll take some time.
Very well presented video. Thanks for clarifying the actual scenario. A well balanced and unbiased perspective.
Looks like you just trust a guy when he says low mileage instead of sering the actual mileage. Lmao this video is clearly ccp propaganda.
Look at his other videos...
You're welcome. Balance is at least what I strive to achieve.
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 Troll remark unless you can back it up with facts and specific references. The videographer has backed up his claim with actual facts. Where are yours?
@@TheRussRave you can't count?
@@InsideChinaAuto like those balanced car reviews right?
👍Thank you, well done!
Cheers.
Gee you were lucky to get permission to film all that and do a great positive story on it.
Anyone can go in. I wasn't sure what to expect when I got there but it's all open except the new car part.
@@InsideChinaAuto so how did you upload to youtube ? vpns and youtube is illegal in china.
@@ysesq VPN like everyone else uses. Next question.
@@InsideChinaAuto arent VPNs illegal ?
@ysesq I'm not 100% on their exact legal status but they're widely available and widely used by everyone I know, which is predominantly locals.
Thank you for the truth. 👍🏻
You're welcome.
Thanks, great journalism
Just going checking out the reality really and adding it to lived experience, but I also wanted to know how true it was from the photos shared online.
I counted the 90 cars behind him, and several hundred in front. It's at min. 800-1000 cars.
The figures refer to the Neta V models, which the other video claims are 'more than 10,000' in number. There are only 146 of those, and they're not new. The car there is loads of is the BJEV EC3 and I explain that he's right about those being failed car sharing ventures.
@@InsideChinaAuto and how many fields of abandoned EVs are there in china?
@@leedavies76 who's they? I don't trust tesla either. you will own nothing and you will be happy.
A good explanation provided and well researched. I mentioned your channel in reply to someones comment on another channel that brought up the "Brand new EV's rotting in a field" question, which would have been "reported" by a few Anti-China propaganda sites that are invariably produced from outside of China. Namely, the likes of Serpentza and Laowhy86 who work together to produce streams of this type of rubbish for their loyal followers.
Thank you very much. I saw the Serpentza video and the problem with it is that it makes some false claims and some true claims but without any context. Based on that, I can assume the same kind of oversights are likely to be present in their other work so I don't pay attention the rest. They'll know it well enough themselves that you can only truly know China by living here and even a few years out the country can mean almost everything changes. I went out for two years and so much had changed when I got back, particularly in the EV and car space.
@@InsideChinaAuto These two are famous professional anti-China channel. No matter they live China or not any more, they just against all Chinese thing