Really appreciate you for doing actual investigation on the ground instead of making up wild speculations and spreading false information like most people tend to do. Hopefully these evs can be restored and sold to other markets for cheap or be used for scrap instead of sitting there and rotting away.
I believe in the truth where I can find it so this was too good a chance to miss as it's not far from Shanghai. Honestly I wanted to see if it was really true or not, and of course some is and some isn't. But we're here, not in South Africa making videos with negative intentions, so I can go see for real.
@@MAR771N Yes, but I wasn't refering to the click bait business. I was thinking of the business of refurbishing these parked cars into some kind of use. Someone who figures out the way will make a profit.
@@InsideChinaAutoHow much are you getting pay by the CCP to regurgitate their propaganda? I have seen hundreds of other brand new cars sitting in fields. Did you know that Chinese car manufacturers are counting sale to dealership as an actual sale? Please do your homework my guy.
So sad that lying has become the norm for so many people who have an agenda. As Winston Churchill said, (in a time of relative honesty): 'A lie can get halfway round the world before the truth has got its pants on.'
@@BioniqBob I think you mean "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." In this case i have provided what we all know to be truth, and some are pretending like they don't know.
Finally we got the thruth about this with evidences. Thanks for this because the fake videos talking about this spreaded away all over the world, including Europe and we needed answers.
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
There’s so much rubbish spouted on TH-cam and it’s just created to win views. And most people believe it. It’s always the lone voice who is right. Thank you for this honest report
Thanks for doing this. The original video has been broadcasted by quite a few TH-camrs. Some say those cars are for fake sales. But your video definitely debunks that false claims. Good job!
Corruption is fairly common in China, not sure if the video you saw was the same as the one I did but the ones I saw were clearly new. The truth is not so clear, more than likely there are a mix of new vehicles and those from ex car share schemes. The CCP were heavily subsidising "new energy vehicles", usually when any government do these special schemes they get abused by crooks making a fast buck, this is the reality of the world we live in. China historically had limits on the age of vehicles (same as Japan) this was not good for the environment as perfectly good serviceable vehicles got scrapped ( dumped in fields).
@@ianlouden7939brainless bot trying hard to cope. You want us to believe your biases over someone who went to the ground to verify. Lmaoooo . It shows just how difficult it is to unlearn propaganda and biases.
Look up who sponsors Inside China Auto and tell me this is a 100% independent factual report! My original comment was giving the benefit of the doubt to this report but now I am pretty sure these cars are new, making a car look old by throwing a drink bottle and a few leaves into a car doesn't mean it's old. The thousands of cars in the distance could be anything, they are too far away to tell what they are. As the CCP don't like any negative news getting out I will assume this video is NOT factual.
Thanks so much for this informative video. It's not news that lots of selfmedia vloggers like to exaggerate things and even fabricate facts to attract attention.
I've seen the other video on YT that you are referring to (although there is more than just that one) and it is a stark contrast to what you portray here. It's scary that misinformation/disinformation is allowed on this scale. Worldwide, we need a clampdown on the BS so that we get a clear indicator of the state of the planet and its resources. Waste management is more important than ever these days, and living practises need a thorough review. I'll just throw one example into the ring. Television sets. Why on earth do we need so many options? Massively oversized screens, harmful chemicals within and ultimately, they are nothing more than something you look at for an hour or two to fill a gap in your day. In Costco they have upwards of 20 different sets, all showing the same crap. This needs sorting out sooner rather than later.
I'd love to believe we have what it takes as a society to have a reasoned conversation on that exact subject but my faith in our collective humanity perished long ago.
But in regards to waste management, the conclusion of the other videos are correct. These outdated BEVs are not going to be recycled . This is the Modus Operandi of China - take an idea that makes short-term profits, mass produce that commodity, abuse trade relations to push out competitors, nationalize industry, go bust, repeat, with no regards to the environmental impact.
Man you're crazy, going online and making nuanced content that attempts to present things as they really are. You're a true radical in this day an age.
@@JonySmith-bb4gx oh you can still see my comment? that is impressive. I can't even see it anymore......insidechinaauto deleted it......or something...
I remember visiting relatives in America in the mid-80s, and my uncle took me to a car auction where honestly in any direction, field after field, there were cars for sale. Some were Porsche some were local American but every single car of every value you could imagine as far as the eye could see
Yes but they don't have lithium ion batteries in them and there are auto Wreckers along with car crushers in place to recycle all of those ICE vehicles 🤔
Thank you for adding context to the original poster's video because at first I believed what they were saying, but now after getting your take it is clear that the original poster was trying to spin a narrative.
Thank god somebody is at last telling the truth. I am obviously British but I follow the car market worldwide very closely because I work with many in the
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, this confirms that there are indeed a lot of "discarded" EVs sitting around in China due to the failure of car-sharing companies, which largely sprang up to take advantage of government subsidies. However, there aren't nearly as many as the original video (by 'serpentza') claims, and they are NOT in fact leaking chemicals all over the place. (Btw, those batteries are indeed recyclable, and will probably be "harvested" in the not-too-distant future.)
Basically right, yes, though I'm not sure what subsidies were being given out for car sharing schemes, if any, they'd be more likely for sales of cars but I'm not an expert on what subsidies there are/were. Clearly if there ever were, there aren't any anymore because nobody is rushing into this space. Bear in mind most people got into the 'sharing' game not for money but for the value of the data. Knowing where people go and when is big business if done right.
Thanks for that. In those videos I commented that there was no dust on the windows even though it was in a rural area, There was no long grass between the vehicles. Therefore they were put there recently. You have solved the problem of why they were there- ride sharing. Others lacked a spare part in manufacturing. Others were bank repossessions..
Indeed. The vast majority are from bust companies that tried something that didn't work. Once bust, presumably assets get seized and need dealing with. As of yet, if seems most haven't been dealt with, likely because it's not economical to do anything with them. Eventually it will have to be sorted though, at the very least having the batteries removed.
@steveblomefield9513 Quite possibly. Don't know enough about that to comment though I do feel bad if these are the cars they're getting. The Neta Vs wouldn't be so bad, they're basic but OK and relatively recent, but the BJEVs not so much.
@@InsideChinaAuto Whenever there are new technologies, there is usually a craze of new companies that are startups. In Chine there were 500 EV companies. Now most of them go bust, some of them are merged with other companies and fade from history. After 40 years only a handful of companies remain that have all the patents and have a known trusted brand. The surviving companies have created deflation, where they are able to mass market their product at cheaper prices [lower prices, razor thin prices, bring a greater volume of buyers, creating greater .volume of profits]. This creates deflation. We see this with tesla who, because of greater volume of slues is able to lower prices but yet have incredible profits because of greater volumes. They also get brand recognition. Thus customers desert other companies and rush to the cheaper, better tesla. Because of greater profits, tesla is able to manufacture more charging stations, have better electronics, have better software, learns more manufacturing lessons, improves manufacturing methods , all the while getting better and better. Other companies get left behind and go bust. There is nothing wrong with seeing a field of 5000 unsold cars. It is normal with new technology. In my day there were 500 computer manufacturing startups. Now there are only a handful, but the ones we have have razor thin margins but greater profits. Today we have AI startups, a veritable fleas nest of startups. They will be merged with other companies and only a few will remain. Having 490 causalities is normative and there is no shame in that.
... and they all have active license plates. No one scraps a car with the plate, you keep the plate with you because getting a plate alone can be very difficult in the large cities.
Hey Mark, I did watch the vid. about the EV graveyard and it was a jaw-dropped news and I started to question China's EV sales NO. and I almost lost faith to China's EV market or Chinese gov. thank you so much to clear all the mess for us. You have done sth much bigger and greater. That's the reason why your reviews are the best and nobody comes close in my eyes.
In China, the number of new electric car registrations reached 8.1 million in 2023, Compared to the clip found 2000 EV cars in the graveyard, the answer is 1/4000 of EV cars production abandoned in the graveyard. it is a small portion of China's EV car production as rubbish.
Great video. Not only being factual, but providing some detailed info and even some context. Bravo! I have seen several critiques of the initial inflammatory video. But none of them had this fortuitous access to the site, and none mentioned the unsold imports from VW group, or the infamous Toyota BZ4X.
Things I only discovered when I got there. I'm not sure the VWs are imports, they make those models here, but the Audis, Toyotas and Hondas I'm not so sure. I'll have to check. Only way to see what's real is to go see. Luckily I had the chance and it's open for anyone to go in.
@@InsideChinaAuto It is hilarious all those sensationalist videos with ominous music about "things the CCP DON"T want you to know about this massive auto graveyard!!!!". Meanwhile the Chinese government probably has no idea about this place, and even a random white dude like you can just roll up and stroll right in!
Cheers. Super basic video this. I promised I'd make it so I did but my bread and butter is the car reviews, didn't really have the time to make this as decent as it could have been. Just sticking to the facts.
Mike. Thanks for doing this video. I saw the fake news from TH-cam and was beginning to doubt China EV market sales. U did the world a great service for reporting the truth. Just subscribed to ur channel. Thanks again.
No problem Mike. I had the chance to go find this place after somebody mentioned it, I hunted it on Baidu Maps, and went to see for myself. I too was curious.
Once, long ago, I drove through Nevada and southern California and along the world's largest airplane parking lot! Amazing site - some planes without engines, without tails, most without brands (you could detect KLM blue 😅, but most were white) and I could imagine some totally untrue stories as well. Social Media are for the ego's of the publisher - not at all reporting so one grain of salt is not enough at all! On the other hand, some more openness with China would make people understand each other more - in general. Such articles would then, possibly, been quickly disregarded by clarifications like yours. And this video in that sense helps mutual understanding a lot! Hope that these assets find a way to good use. Thanks for the great on site (!) vlog!
@@toyotaprius79 I think maybe the post above is referring to an airplane graveyard near Victorville, Ca. But the EV1 was sent to the GM proving grounds, which is in Arizona, near Yuma. If you were coming from or going to Nevada, you probably would not go through Yuma, which is next to the Mexican border and pretty far from the Nevada border.
Shouldn't it be Chinese that come forward and share their stories? Oh wait, the CCP blocks their citizens from accessing the outside world thru The Great Firewall 🤔 So yeah, all I ever see is the uncensored horrors of China because that's the only leaks that aren't curated China State media propaganda of CGTN or Global Times
I guessed the truth was closer to what you are saying. Some people are over the top negative and really sensational when it comes to China. Great video, thanks.
I mean that guy's entire channel is clickbait. You scroll back far enough and you'll see when he tried his hand at honest vlogging about life in China, going out all day, editing down all that footage, just to accumulate 50k views over years. Now he can pull some video/pics from the internet, loop it on a green screen behind him, barf out some "China bad" script, and get maybe as many as a million clicks in as little as a week, then just rinse and repeat the next week. Unsurprisingly he's gonna stick with this new business model.
Without a doubt you can. Obviously he does try to convince people by trying to make out that it's concern and the environment and he really tries hard to give a semblance of rationality but some of the claims are outright lies, like the more than 10,000 number. I just went to see how real those numbers were.
It’s actually sad to see such things happened and it happens all over the world unfortunately. Many thanks for reporting and put the right spot on incorrect information. Generally speaking I also want to compliment and comment you for your in deep review and analysis of the Chinese car industry and its fascinating developments. Sincerely hope to see some of them (which appears to come) in Europe and offers a solid and productive competition. Cordialement
It may happen elsewhere, but in China pollution and environmental negligence is on a whole different scale than anywhere else. You're dreaming if you think China will do the environmentally responsible thing. It's only about short term profits and flashy projects to entice investors. See the Tofu Dreg Real Estate projects flooding and crumbling apart . I hope I never see a Chinese vehicle in my country, especially any of their shoddy EV knockoff brands that have flooded the market and will be abandoned in a matter of months/years.
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Haha, just a guy with a camera and some actual knowledge of this stuff. He was right on the car sharing cars but given he's been out the country a while now, he could never understand why those old cars have no route back to usefulness or ownership.
While I feel a bit bad for falling for the original 'report', thank you so much for taking the time to research and showcase this. You corrected a big wrong.
Pause the video. Count the cars, you'll soon learn the video is filled with lies. Enjoy. Well used cars he says..... doesn't show actual wear on the cars or their mileage. 🤣
Fantastic piece well done! Work like this really does prove your journalistic credentials. Thank you for revealing the truth! The sad part is, people can make crap up to slander China and it takes at least double the effort to debunk the lies. Thank you for standing up for the truth!
No problem. This is just one location, I can't apply the results to other places, but I wanted to see it for myself because I didn't believe Neta needed to falsely register cars so I went to find out.
Thanks for your informative accurate assessment. There was a lot of hyperbole including the "rotting away", which gives pause for thought about veracity
Veracity is usually a tool that's used to make up for any real facts, it's just bluster. I have an old Mini and that is genuinely rotting away at the back of my Dad's field so I know what rotting looks like. These definitely aren't yet, but in time they will if not disposed of properly.
Well you are telling the truth, which is not spicy :D Thats why you got 100 times less subscribers than the guy (you are referring to) who cooks up stories for a spicy content. I know he is fake the moment he said BYD is making fake registrations to prop up the sales numbers. Thanks for your honest review.
Thank you for making the efforts to investigate this widely reported lie. Well, after watching this video, I guess we can either interpret it in several ways: 1) the positive aspect is the sheer dynamism of the Chinese entrepreneurs and EV makers as shown by the numbers of these unwanted EVs which were so quickly superseded by the next generations of EVs. In some ways, it is as if these EVs are mobile phones which became obsolete in a very short period of time 2) the competition within the public transport system must be extremely intense 3) the negative aspect (as you pointed out too) is the wastage in letting these unwanted cars sitting there idly with almost no chance of them being ever put on the road again as they are technologically so backward in comparison to the latest models. The authorities should just clear them up quickly by every means.
Thanks for this! I had to go to every video about this "abandoned ev" telling the facts and truth... but yeah a bigger brand should buy them and repurpose them like geely, gac, saic, changan or BYD even if it it for home purposes...
Thanks Daniel. Balance is what I strive to achieve. A few very of us still stick to journalistic values, at least the ones journalists are supposed to have.
I will take your video with a pinch of salt as advised. Joking aside thanks for the video, makes a lot more sense. It still is concerning on two points however:- 1. How many places through China is that replicated and what is going to happen to the cars? 2. What happens when the next big technology jump happens and all the current EV cars become obsolete. Are the "car parks" going to be 10x bigger filled with 2021/22/23 models? I guess that is a different story though.
I am afraid this is nothing new when I was in America in the mid-80s, I would go to vehicle auctions that would be thousands upon thousands of vehicles of all kinds strewn across many fields. Some of them were insurance right off, and some of them were brand-new. (as far as I could tell anyway.) of every kind make and value.
My thoughts exactly, "zakelwe". Still very disturbing to see these just parked up and no effort to recycle or reuse - at least for the batteries. Tells me we don't know how to recycle used/obsolete batteries yet. Not good for the strip mining operations going on around the world. What an utter waste. Shame.
1. As in bankruptcy sales the world over, they’ll go to auction. Some might get a second life as a learner vehicle etc, but the overwhelmingly vast majority will be bought by recycle and scrap merchants. China is one of a handful of countries that recycle lithium EV batteries - I don’t think any western countries recycle batteries more than a token amount. 2. We’re going to see EV car parks growing all over the world - it’s not an especially Chinese problem. Lithium batteries are a major environmental and safety problem because they burn like a flame thrower and emit lethal skin burning fumes - check out videos of burning EV cars after a car crash for some examples.
There are more of them though I'm not sure how many. Some are in the original video, No Place To Place 2, though they seem to be smaller than this and have the really really crap cars in them. Honestly the issue is not the EV part, it's the car itself. The cars in these parks, not the Neta so much as its newer, but the others were the cheapest, crappiest cars they could be, and the Chinese car industry has just gotten so much better in the last 5 years, so much more value, 100x better infotainment and interiors, the competition (there's about 70 Chinese brands) is intense so you snooze you die. The EV part of these cars is probably what an early Nissan Leaf is in Europe, but the interior is like what an original Mini is to a new one. Nobody will want them, they're not economical to fix and sell, so as one guy said, you have to hope the batteries get recycled and the cars scrapped at some point.
@@InsideChinaAutoI'm sure there's more white monkey jobs in your future if you don't criticize the CCP 👍 They're gonna need all the PR help they can get when they invade Taiwan
Thank you very much for your effort and determination of unveiling the truth. We all know which you-tuber was the one who posted the misleading video. He is not only evil but also absolutely disgusting, never ending lies and hate creating misleading info. Sad part is he used to live in China and sure had a decent time living there, Not sure how anyone with this kind of behaviour can sleep... I guess there is Karma and it will serve him well when time comes. Wish all his followers can find yr video here, sure there is no point linking yrs to his as he will delete immediately , but he is a sick man
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Sadly, that same TH-camr pulls in millions of views. As such, he's likely funded by the US State Department as many popular media assets get compensated extremely well for pushing US propaganda.
Cheers Olaf. Let's see what can be investigated that fits in around my reviews. Barely had time to make this to be honest, I've got a bunch of car reviews waiting for me to edit.
Good on you for finding the truth. I have had this happen real time. Low season we hibernate about 2-300 rental cars in a quarry, parked up as you see in the vid for 2-3 months. For security we remove the front number plate ( stops plate stealing). We recieved notification from council via irate landowner, accused of dumping, environmental hazard ...... some "green" politician "going to expose the company & prosecute " They were banging their drums and making a total song & dance, including TV crew that broke into & trespassed to film. until they found the facts & truth. Not one apology.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect one either. As has been said recently, EVs have become the new culture war (as if we don't already have enough), it's extreme opinions or nothing. These cars are a waste here no doubt but it's the cars themselves that are the problem, not the EV part, because they were cheap and crap and now you can get cheap, better, and new.
Would have been interesting to try and figure out who owns them and how much they want for one. They seem left unlocked so they must not care too much about what happens to them, would they take a few hundred RMBs in exchange for a set of keys? 😅
These cars are all taxis or shared cars for official use. It’s not that the car doesn‘t work, but that the company goes out of business or is upgraded. If these cars were scrapped, they would have been dismantled long ago.
Thank you for bringing the truth into the light, I wonder what might happen to these EVs... let's hope these do not rot in the wild instead of getting use somewhere else
Ha ha ! So the only new unsold cars here are VW Audi and Toyota! What a delicious irony. I am speculating that many of these vehicles may not have the most valuable component anymore anyway? (The battery pack).
I wasn't able to see but I suspect the batteries are still attached. The VWs Audis and Toyotas will get sold eventually but they're not popular so it'll take some time.
Good to hear this. To me, I was shocked by that story, but this clears a lot about how and why. Very good to hear bikes and subways and trains dominate over cars. The US could rethink it's car driven mind. BTW, hope here it does not start any fire...... damn that would be a mess.
Please make a video about the new Haval H5. I know it's an ICE, I know it's a large, heavy SUV, so not environmentally friendly at all, but it looks to be a very unique value proposition, i.e., it's dirt cheap, given all the metal Great Wall is throwing into the car! Thank you!
Leaving most of the claims aside from the original blogger, this highlights a potentially big issue with EV's. As with mobile phones. Technology moves at a very fast pace. The same could happen with EV's. This leads to a potential scenario whereby cars, only a few years old, become worthless and redundant as people want the latest tech, best range, quickest charging. With ICE. This tech cannot really progress now. A little bit more efficient and cleaner, but essentially it hasn't evolved.
That's the issue, because EVs are developing fast currently, they had no investment for 100 years, now they have it all. There will be waste in early years, or at least leftovers cast aside, but from what I understand, batteries can be fully recycled so if these old triangles can be reshaped into squares, there's hope yet.
Found your channel yesterday after the e sport coupe (neta gt, is this same car maker as with these videos , just as you said 5-6 years later and much better?)and watch many videos this night and was pleasantly surprised about this debunking video! (: man keep your quality up, really enjoy the insights into china auto like your channel name states ^^
Glad you found us mate and glad you like the videos. Neta has been like watching evolution in real time. Their first V was so bad, almost made from aftermarket parts, but what they're making now is lightyears better.
The figures refer to the Neta V models, which the other video claims are 'more than 10,000' in number. There are only 146 of those, and they're not new. The car there is loads of is the BJEV EC3 and I explain that he's right about those being failed car sharing ventures.
The automobile industry worldwide is suffering a slow painful death. I love cars, but for many people, they simply don't make sense anymore. Maybe because of price, maybe because of inconvenience, maybe because of concerns about the environment. Dunno know. New (and used ) vehicles are piling up all over the world.
A good explanation provided and well researched. I mentioned your channel in reply to someones comment on another channel that brought up the "Brand new EV's rotting in a field" question, which would have been "reported" by a few Anti-China propaganda sites that are invariably produced from outside of China. Namely, the likes of Serpentza and Laowhy86 who work together to produce streams of this type of rubbish for their loyal followers.
Thank you very much. I saw the Serpentza video and the problem with it is that it makes some false claims and some true claims but without any context. Based on that, I can assume the same kind of oversights are likely to be present in their other work so I don't pay attention the rest. They'll know it well enough themselves that you can only truly know China by living here and even a few years out the country can mean almost everything changes. I went out for two years and so much had changed when I got back, particularly in the EV and car space.
@@InsideChinaAuto These two are famous professional anti-China channel. No matter they live China or not any more, they just against all Chinese thing
It's not so much an issue of the EV, just that China moved on at an unprecedented speed and these cars just cannot compete anymore, rendering them worthless at least in China.
It is sad, but it's also a sign of how far EVs came in China in just 6 years that these are almost worthlessness now. Good news is the battery materials are all totally recyclable so they can be useful again once somebody decides to sort them.
I saw one of those false info short videos. They were stacked 3-4 high and they were claiming these vehicles were brand new and dumped in the trash. The first thing that caught my attention was the vast majority of them still had plates on the fronts and backs. I knew there was more to the story. Thankyou!
When I saw this 'news' circulating, I am honestly unimpressed. I have seen fields of newish fords/GMs/Dodges/Hyundais/Toyotas etc. rotting and taken by nature in the US, UK and many other countries. It is perfectly normal, especially when Dealers go tits-up. Even banks & impoundment lots have acres of vehicles ready for the next fire sale. This much-hyped EV graveyard is tiny in comparison and when you count the cars, you struggle to even hit the 1,000 mark. It is pretty much a low-effort smear job, much like most of 'Western coverage' of China due to Cold War 2.0. Putting all that aside, Long-term Chinese car followers would know that progress has traditionally been the biggest strength and weakness of the Chinese Car market. After all, why would you buy a car now when the same brand would make a far superior one next year? Why would you hold onto a car if it would be superseded next year? In many ways, it is an uniquely Chinese problem. It is one of the main reasons why vehicle buy-backs and trade-ins are so strongly preferred by Chinese carbuyers.
Indeed. China's used car market was never very strong and they're looking to build that up this year. People love new things, not old, but then you tend to love old if it has some personality. These BJEVs don't really have any, so nobody wants them here, but somewhere in the world they can be somebody's pride and joy and livelihood. Hopefully they make it that far at some point.
@@InsideChinaAuto The problem is the older gen of EVs are honestly not as good as the current breed of EVs and importing them as they are would likely degrade the image that Chinese brands are trying to build for themselves. The support structure for these EVs is also not there for PI to work (Parts/Charging infrastructure for etc.) or grey exporters would have picked them up already. Certain Automakers (BAIC for instance) are also not as good in their 'support department' when it comes to their Older EVs,unlike say BYD. These might be better off scrapped for parts and sold off to the nearest 4S shop. Of course, you can make the argument that the newish ones would be better off auctioned off but there is a problem with that. Chinese carbuyers tend to avoid used vehicles, especially when they are not supported by a 4S in their area.
@@possumsam2189 Exactly these things. EVs are currently in what I call the Wild West phase, imperfect products, imperfect infrastructure, and imperfect after sales, so these are the growing pains that will happen.
I still think its a bit rich to claim that having all these newish EV's sitting rotting in a field is somehow not a problem. If this is a situation that exists in more cities in China, then the figures quoted in the original video would be dwarved. But then it takes a brave person to go film in these places. I assume you got permission from someone before being allowed there ? Did you have to have the film vetted before you put it online, to make sure you were putting out the correct message ? Just wondering......
You should not believe any message on this channel, and just keep all those shits that you'd believed before, they are well-suited for your twisted and tiny brain.
No Mark, I saw somebody online say where it was, I checked it out on Baidu Maps to match it to the video and found the location, then went to see if you could get in, and it turns out you can just walk right in to the old car bit. The new cars are kept a bit safer. The real issue is that the cars that are abandoned (more the BJEV EC3 than the Neta V) are obsolete. Very basic when new, their drivetrain is fine but the interior and infotainment system is stone aged compared to what Chinese consumers have chance to buy now. You can see a bunch on my channel. It's been the most ridiculous transformation and the journalists and executives that came to Shanghai Auto Show after 4 years away all couldn't hide their surprise. We get used to life barely changing with each year in the West. China remains the fastest changing society on the planet and it can only be believed if you see it.
@@InsideChinaAuto So what you actually uncovered is a different problem in that all these still reasonably recent EVs are essentially abandoned because no one wants them after the original owner goes bust or whatever. Still not a good situation.
@@schrodingerscat1863 Well it's not as simple as that. These are former rental cars and 5-6 years old. That means likely no fast charging, spartan interiors with lots of blank button spaces, tiny screens, no decent connectivity (you have no idea how important that is in China), no 5G, no ADAS functions, and that's the BJEV EC3s that were OK when new. The green and white things in the other video were barely fit for purpose at the time, let alone now when China's car market has come on the way it has done in the last half decade. In China terms, this isn't just an original Nissan Leaf vs a new one, it's like an original Mini vs a new MINI, minus any personality.
Really appreciate you for doing actual investigation on the ground instead of making up wild speculations and spreading false information like most people tend to do. Hopefully these evs can be restored and sold to other markets for cheap or be used for scrap instead of sitting there and rotting away.
I believe in the truth where I can find it so this was too good a chance to miss as it's not far from Shanghai. Honestly I wanted to see if it was really true or not, and of course some is and some isn't. But we're here, not in South Africa making videos with negative intentions, so I can go see for real.
If there is a profit to be made, rest assured that someboody is good to it.
@@joem0088 yea unfortunately there will always be a ton of money to be made in spreading false information and hatred.
@@MAR771N Yes, but I wasn't refering to the click bait business. I was thinking of the business of refurbishing these parked cars into some kind of use. Someone who figures out the way will make a profit.
@@joem0088 ah okay i misunderstood. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution quickly then since it might be too late if they wait too long.
Thanks for going there. Glad there are still a handful of people who care about old-fashioned things like truth.
There's very few of us left mate. Still hoping one day the tide will turn and ordinary will enter the conversation again.
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Good to hear true facts.
@@InsideChinaAutoHow much are you getting pay by the CCP to regurgitate their propaganda? I have seen hundreds of other brand new cars sitting in fields. Did you know that Chinese car manufacturers are counting sale to dealership as an actual sale? Please do your homework my guy.
So sad that lying has become the norm for so many people who have an agenda.
As Winston Churchill said, (in a time of relative honesty):
'A lie can get halfway round the world before the truth has got its pants on.'
As true today as it was then. More so even with the Internet.
That is true unfortunately. Coincidentally, the biggest perpetrator of this most recent China junkyard fiasco lie is also named "Winston".
This is the best comment to CCP propaganda video. +1
Reminds me of an old saying, I think it goes "Liar, Liar, Pants on Backwards" or something like that.
@@BioniqBob I think you mean "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." In this case i have provided what we all know to be truth, and some are pretending like they don't know.
Please don't stop doing reporting like this again (if a situation arises).
Thank you. If chance comes, I'll do more again.
@@InsideChinaAuto🎉🎉🎉
@@InsideChinaAutobut you don't have Chinese passport😂
@@matpk Why do I need one?
We are sick of these propaganda. Thanks for telling the truth
You're welcome.
Lol this video is Chinese propaganda
@@JVRottweil show us your investigation then
Finally we got the thruth about this with evidences. Thanks for this because the fake videos talking about this spreaded away all over the world, including Europe and we needed answers.
Indeed they did. I genuinely wanted to know too so I went to find out.
You can sleep at night now! Lol
Did you. This is his version of the truth, absolutely nothing to prove this is correct.
On a lovely sunny day the car dump looks almost picturesque! I wonder if anyone has thought of making it into a tourist site?
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
There’s so much rubbish spouted on TH-cam and it’s just created to win views. And most people believe it. It’s always the lone voice who is right. Thank you for this honest report
No problem David. Thanks for the lovely comment.
Thanks for doing this. The original video has been broadcasted by quite a few TH-camrs. Some say those cars are for fake sales. But your video definitely debunks that false claims. Good job!
I was curious too, wasn't sure what to expect when I got there, but it wasn't exactly as stated and the original piece lacked context.
Corruption is fairly common in China, not sure if the video you saw was the same as the one I did but the ones I saw were clearly new. The truth is not so clear, more than likely there are a mix of new vehicles and those from ex car share schemes. The CCP were heavily subsidising "new energy vehicles", usually when any government do these special schemes they get abused by crooks making a fast buck, this is the reality of the world we live in.
China historically had limits on the age of vehicles (same as Japan) this was not good for the environment as perfectly good serviceable vehicles got scrapped ( dumped in fields).
@@ianlouden7939brainless bot trying hard to cope. You want us to believe your biases over someone who went to the ground to verify. Lmaoooo
. It shows just how difficult it is to unlearn propaganda and biases.
@@SuperiorNatoDoctrine its been reported on from a number of sources, why is this one 100% correct but others are not?
Look up who sponsors Inside China Auto and tell me this is a 100% independent factual report! My original comment was giving the benefit of the doubt to this report but now I am pretty sure these cars are new, making a car look old by throwing a drink bottle and a few leaves into a car doesn't mean it's old. The thousands of cars in the distance could be anything, they are too far away to tell what they are.
As the CCP don't like any negative news getting out I will assume this video is NOT factual.
Thanks so much for this informative video. It's not news that lots of selfmedia vloggers like to exaggerate things and even fabricate facts to attract attention.
Indeed it isn't. The news is when someone counters it with facts because facts are in short supply these days.
I've seen the other video on YT that you are referring to (although there is more than just that one) and it is a stark contrast to what you portray here.
It's scary that misinformation/disinformation is allowed on this scale. Worldwide, we need a clampdown on the BS so that we get a clear indicator of the state of the planet and its resources. Waste management is more important than ever these days, and living practises need a thorough review.
I'll just throw one example into the ring. Television sets. Why on earth do we need so many options? Massively oversized screens, harmful chemicals within and ultimately, they are nothing more than something you look at for an hour or two to fill a gap in your day. In Costco they have upwards of 20 different sets, all showing the same crap. This needs sorting out sooner rather than later.
I'd love to believe we have what it takes as a society to have a reasoned conversation on that exact subject but my faith in our collective humanity perished long ago.
But in regards to waste management, the conclusion of the other videos are correct. These outdated BEVs are not going to be recycled . This is the Modus Operandi of China - take an idea that makes short-term profits, mass produce that commodity, abuse trade relations to push out competitors, nationalize industry, go bust, repeat, with no regards to the environmental impact.
These stuff is everywhere and its even worst in other places like US and Japan
th-cam.com/video/RF93asGV9ro/w-d-xo.html
Man you're crazy, going online and making nuanced content that attempts to present things as they really are. You're a true radical in this day an age.
gotta be crazy to believe any of this yea. China is dumping EV's.
Haha. Can you imagine? The nerve of it.
@@transformerstuff7029why don't u prove it. Should be easy for u
Name of the field ?
Car model ?
Company name ?
@@JonySmith-bb4gx oh you can still see my comment? that is impressive. I can't even see it anymore......insidechinaauto deleted it......or something...
@@JonySmith-bb4gxyeah right. When I saw this account name Inside China Auto, not sure he tell the truth
I'm amazed you got close enough to video this as I would think it's on private property, obviously not
Almost as if its set up
Walked, well drove, straight in. I was surprised too, I really thought it would be a hole in the fence job.
CCP don’t just employ Chinese 🤫
@@dontwastetimetoday493 That's because in China, you can leave it unattended and it won't get stolen, in US, it's ripe for the taking.
Its just a small graveyard. In western countries, there are tens of thousands of repo or used cars at auction yards.
Of course. They don't make headlines though, eh?
I remember visiting relatives in America in the mid-80s, and my uncle took me to a car auction where honestly in any direction, field after field, there were cars for sale. Some were Porsche some were local American but every single car of every value you could imagine as far as the eye could see
I've worked at the auctions in Dallas, cars was constantly being cycled and besides some of the repo cars, could move under their own power.
@@InsideChinaAuto Because they are common knowledge. This is not about denial of car graveyards,but about the untruths posted about this specific one.
Yes but they don't have lithium ion batteries in them and there are auto Wreckers along with car crushers in place to recycle all of those ICE vehicles 🤔
Thank you for adding context to the original poster's video because at first I believed what they were saying, but now after getting your take it is clear that the original poster was trying to spin a narrative.
As so many are these days. Apparently it makes money.
Very professional and informative video. Thank you for disseminating truth online unlike the others.
You're welcome.
Thank god somebody is at last telling the truth. I am obviously British but I follow the car market worldwide very closely because I work with many in the
Glad you appreciate it mate.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, this confirms that there are indeed a lot of "discarded" EVs sitting around in China due to the failure of car-sharing companies, which largely sprang up to take advantage of government subsidies. However, there aren't nearly as many as the original video (by 'serpentza') claims, and they are NOT in fact leaking chemicals all over the place. (Btw, those batteries are indeed recyclable, and will probably be "harvested" in the not-too-distant future.)
Basically right, yes, though I'm not sure what subsidies were being given out for car sharing schemes, if any, they'd be more likely for sales of cars but I'm not an expert on what subsidies there are/were. Clearly if there ever were, there aren't any anymore because nobody is rushing into this space. Bear in mind most people got into the 'sharing' game not for money but for the value of the data. Knowing where people go and when is big business if done right.
Thats an amazing reveal! Thanks for the clarification from the outrageous initial investigation regarding these abandoned vehicles.
No problem.
Thanks for that. In those videos I commented that there was no dust on the windows even though it was in a rural area, There was no long grass between the vehicles. Therefore they were put there recently. You have solved the problem of why they were there- ride sharing. Others lacked a spare part in manufacturing. Others were bank repossessions..
Indeed. The vast majority are from bust companies that tried something that didn't work. Once bust, presumably assets get seized and need dealing with. As of yet, if seems most haven't been dealt with, likely because it's not economical to do anything with them. Eventually it will have to be sorted though, at the very least having the batteries removed.
@@InsideChinaAuto The tradition with failed Chinese goods is to dump them in Africa at low prices.
@steveblomefield9513 Quite possibly. Don't know enough about that to comment though I do feel bad if these are the cars they're getting. The Neta Vs wouldn't be so bad, they're basic but OK and relatively recent, but the BJEVs not so much.
@@InsideChinaAuto Whenever there are new technologies, there is usually a craze of new companies that are startups. In Chine there were 500 EV companies. Now most of them go bust, some of them are merged with other companies and fade from history. After 40 years only a handful of companies remain that have all the patents and have a known trusted brand. The surviving companies have created deflation, where they are able to mass market their product at cheaper prices [lower prices, razor thin prices, bring a greater volume of buyers, creating greater .volume of profits]. This creates deflation. We see this with tesla who, because of greater volume of slues is able to lower prices but yet have incredible profits because of greater volumes. They also get brand recognition. Thus customers desert other companies and rush to the cheaper, better tesla. Because of greater profits, tesla is able to manufacture more charging stations, have better electronics, have better software, learns more manufacturing lessons, improves manufacturing methods , all the while getting better and better. Other companies get left behind and go bust. There is nothing wrong with seeing a field of 5000 unsold cars. It is normal with new technology. In my day there were 500 computer manufacturing startups. Now there are only a handful, but the ones we have have razor thin margins but greater profits. Today we have AI startups, a veritable fleas nest of startups. They will be merged with other companies and only a few will remain. Having 490 causalities is normative and there is no shame in that.
... and they all have active license plates. No one scraps a car with the plate, you keep the plate with you because getting a plate alone can be very difficult in the large cities.
Hey Mark, I did watch the vid. about the EV graveyard and it was a jaw-dropped news and I started to question China's EV sales NO. and I almost lost faith to China's EV market or Chinese gov. thank you so much to clear all the mess for us. You have done sth much bigger and greater. That's the reason why your reviews are the best and nobody comes close in my eyes.
Haha, very much appreciate those comments. Thank you.
Written like a classic wumao.
Lmao 'hey mark, I did watch the vid'
Sure bro.....that's exactly how we talk 🤣😂
Jaw-dropped news right?
@@ohsnapsonbro4260so u agree he WU ur MA in her 0
So prove him wrong. 😂😂
@@ohsnapsonbro4260everyone is a native English speaker right? 😂 Take your meds lil bro
@@dexorne9753 yeah neither am I. Still....
Jaw-dropped news right?
Wumao much bud?
Now that is journalism. Simple leg work and verification, well done.
Sometimes you have to just go and see things in person.
In China, the number of new electric car registrations reached 8.1 million in 2023, Compared to the clip found 2000 EV cars in the graveyard, the answer is 1/4000 of EV cars production abandoned in the graveyard. it is a small portion of China's EV car production as rubbish.
And apart from the new cars from the foreign brands, none of these cars were new.
Thank you for the honesty. Agree, ask a person in the country who is familiar.
No problem mate
Great reporting, thank you very much for you effort to deliver the truth! Well done!!
No worries Chris. I was in the area for filming and curious myself, seemed only logical to go take a look.
Great video. Not only being factual, but providing some detailed info and even some context. Bravo!
I have seen several critiques of the initial inflammatory video. But none of them had this fortuitous access to the site, and none mentioned the unsold imports from VW group, or the infamous Toyota BZ4X.
Yeah, that's a lot of unsold Toyota cars.
Things I only discovered when I got there. I'm not sure the VWs are imports, they make those models here, but the Audis, Toyotas and Hondas I'm not so sure. I'll have to check. Only way to see what's real is to go see. Luckily I had the chance and it's open for anyone to go in.
@@InsideChinaAuto It is hilarious all those sensationalist videos with ominous music about "things the CCP DON"T want you to know about this massive auto graveyard!!!!". Meanwhile the Chinese government probably has no idea about this place, and even a random white dude like you can just roll up and stroll right in!
Bz4x is a bad EV.
Appreciate your respect for truth. I hope the people who put out fake videos have a conscience and will retract them.
Can only say good luck with that. You'll be hoping for a long time.
@@InsideChinaAuto You are right. That man has no honour or respect for truth.
Thank you for that information, I saw the video too, why would a person waste time creating misinformation it's beyond me.
Because misinformation and extreme agendas pay sadly.
Subscribed, decent video
Yellow peril is a hot commodity again now that China is the world leading automotive market and EV competitor...
Cheers. Super basic video this. I promised I'd make it so I did but my bread and butter is the car reviews, didn't really have the time to make this as decent as it could have been. Just sticking to the facts.
@@InsideChinaAuto can't go wrong with that recipe
Mike. Thanks for doing this video. I saw the fake news from TH-cam and was beginning to doubt China EV market sales. U did the world a great service for reporting the truth. Just subscribed to ur channel. Thanks again.
Hey no worries mate. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for investing time to research the facts behind the superficial headlines! Greatly appreciated! 👍
No problem Mike. I had the chance to go find this place after somebody mentioned it, I hunted it on Baidu Maps, and went to see for myself. I too was curious.
Once, long ago, I drove through Nevada and southern California and along the world's largest airplane parking lot! Amazing site - some planes without engines, without tails, most without brands (you could detect KLM blue 😅, but most were white) and I could imagine some totally untrue stories as well. Social Media are for the ego's of the publisher - not at all reporting so one grain of salt is not enough at all! On the other hand, some more openness with China would make people understand each other more - in general. Such articles would then, possibly, been quickly disregarded by clarifications like yours. And this video in that sense helps mutual understanding a lot! Hope that these assets find a way to good use. Thanks for the great on site (!) vlog!
Cheers Nas. We are indeed a divided world, we don't often listen to each other enough. My part here is tiny but it's what I had a chance to do.
I've seen that a few times in CA. Way out in the middle of the desert. Although there might be an Airforce base nearby, I really can't remember.
That's probably the same scrap yard that crushed the EV1s...
@@toyotaprius79
I think maybe the post above is referring to an airplane graveyard near Victorville, Ca. But the EV1 was sent to the GM proving grounds, which is in Arizona, near Yuma.
If you were coming from or going to Nevada, you probably would not go through Yuma, which is next to the Mexican border and pretty far from the Nevada border.
Shouldn't it be Chinese that come forward and share their stories?
Oh wait, the CCP blocks their citizens from accessing the outside world thru The Great Firewall 🤔
So yeah, all I ever see is the uncensored horrors of China because that's the only leaks that aren't curated China State media propaganda of CGTN or Global Times
That was a great investigation. I knew the claim about the thousands of rotting new EVs was false but you have thoroughly debunked it in great detail.
Glad I could be of service. At least at this site. I can't speak for the entire country, it's a huge place, but this at least I can confirm.
I guessed the truth was closer to what you are saying. Some people are over the top negative and really sensational when it comes to China. Great video, thanks.
Tell me about it.
Thank you for your objectiveness in reporting. Love from Hong Kong
You're welcome.
Can we consider the video that claimed the evidence is a clickbait?
I mean that guy's entire channel is clickbait. You scroll back far enough and you'll see when he tried his hand at honest vlogging about life in China, going out all day, editing down all that footage, just to accumulate 50k views over years. Now he can pull some video/pics from the internet, loop it on a green screen behind him, barf out some "China bad" script, and get maybe as many as a million clicks in as little as a week, then just rinse and repeat the next week. Unsurprisingly he's gonna stick with this new business model.
@@tren133yep I saw his channel and my first reaction was “meh this guy is untrustworthy “
Without a doubt you can. Obviously he does try to convince people by trying to make out that it's concern and the environment and he really tries hard to give a semblance of rationality but some of the claims are outright lies, like the more than 10,000 number. I just went to see how real those numbers were.
@@InsideChinaAuto the numbers are over exaggerated and his motives are clear
@cocoaiscool2709 Definitely. There's no doubting that. It's a business model and it works for him, rightly or wrongly.
It’s actually sad to see such things happened and it happens all over the world unfortunately. Many thanks for reporting and put the right spot on incorrect information. Generally speaking I also want to compliment and comment you for your in deep review and analysis of the Chinese car industry and its fascinating developments. Sincerely hope to see some of them (which appears to come) in Europe and offers a solid and productive competition. Cordialement
Thank you very much, I'm glad you like the content. And yeah, it is sad to see this. Hopefully they get recycled.
It may happen elsewhere, but in China pollution and environmental negligence is on a whole different scale than anywhere else.
You're dreaming if you think China will do the environmentally responsible thing. It's only about short term profits and flashy projects to entice investors. See the Tofu Dreg Real Estate projects flooding and crumbling apart .
I hope I never see a Chinese vehicle in my country, especially any of their shoddy EV knockoff brands that have flooded the market and will be abandoned in a matter of months/years.
@@Metapharsical brainwashed sheep detected! You should stop watching greyed out and dimmed video about China à la western media
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Thanks for doing this, I had a feeling that serpentza was lying about it and here you are, substantiated my suspicion.
You are, sir, a bloody legend.
Haha, just a guy with a camera and some actual knowledge of this stuff. He was right on the car sharing cars but given he's been out the country a while now, he could never understand why those old cars have no route back to usefulness or ownership.
@@InsideChinaAutoBut you don't have Chinese passport😂
@@matpk And then?
While I feel a bit bad for falling for the original 'report', thank you so much for taking the time to research and showcase this. You corrected a big wrong.
Pause the video. Count the cars, you'll soon learn the video is filled with lies. Enjoy.
Well used cars he says..... doesn't show actual wear on the cars or their mileage. 🤣
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 So, then teach me, just list the lies you have encountered.
No worries Ronald.
@@ohsnapsonbro4260 so your proof ?
@@ronalddolman2654 you can't read?
Fantastic piece well done! Work like this really does prove your journalistic credentials. Thank you for revealing the truth! The sad part is, people can make crap up to slander China and it takes at least double the effort to debunk the lies. Thank you for standing up for the truth!
Ain't that the truth. Sad but ultimately true.
Thank you for giving us the truth
No problem. This is just one location, I can't apply the results to other places, but I wanted to see it for myself because I didn't believe Neta needed to falsely register cars so I went to find out.
Thanks for your informative accurate assessment. There was a lot of hyperbole including the "rotting away", which gives pause for thought about veracity
Veracity is usually a tool that's used to make up for any real facts, it's just bluster. I have an old Mini and that is genuinely rotting away at the back of my Dad's field so I know what rotting looks like. These definitely aren't yet, but in time they will if not disposed of properly.
Well you are telling the truth, which is not spicy :D Thats why you got 100 times less subscribers than the guy (you are referring to) who cooks up stories for a spicy content.
I know he is fake the moment he said BYD is making fake registrations to prop up the sales numbers.
Thanks for your honest review.
Lies pay, truth doesn't sadly.
Thanks for revealing the truth about this.
No problem.
A first rate investigative report. You deserve a prize!
Why thank you. My prize is a fraction of the views of the lies. Truth doesn't pay unfortunately.
Thank you for making the efforts to investigate this widely reported lie. Well, after watching this video, I guess we can either interpret it in several ways:
1) the positive aspect is the sheer dynamism of the Chinese entrepreneurs and EV makers as shown by the numbers of these unwanted EVs which were so quickly superseded by the next generations of EVs. In some ways, it is as if these EVs are mobile phones which became obsolete in a very short period of time
2) the competition within the public transport system must be extremely intense
3) the negative aspect (as you pointed out too) is the wastage in letting these unwanted cars sitting there idly with almost no chance of them being ever put on the road again as they are technologically so backward in comparison to the latest models. The authorities should just clear them up quickly by every means.
Thanks for this! I had to go to every video about this "abandoned ev" telling the facts and truth... but yeah a bigger brand should buy them and repurpose them like geely, gac, saic, changan or BYD even if it it for home purposes...
That they should. Make something useful out of them.
Brilliant! Thanks you so much for clearing up the blatant misinformation out there. 🙂
No worries. Somebody should.
I saw that video a few weeks ago, got suckered in. Saw this one purely by chance. Excellent work thanks!
Are you sure you are not being suckered in again?
No worries mate. It's easy to do. Some of what he said was right but lacking in context but the 10,000 Neta Vs part was way way off.
Ooh, we've caught a live one Geoff.
@@wafudave6041 go back to SerpentZA
Brilliant and refreshingly balanced
Thanks Daniel. Balance is what I strive to achieve. A few very of us still stick to journalistic values, at least the ones journalists are supposed to have.
Excellent on-the-ground investigative work. Keep it coming.
Subscribed.
Cheers Steve.
I will take your video with a pinch of salt as advised.
Joking aside thanks for the video, makes a lot more sense. It still is concerning on two points however:-
1. How many places through China is that replicated and what is going to happen to the cars?
2. What happens when the next big technology jump happens and all the current EV cars become obsolete. Are the "car parks" going to be 10x bigger filled with 2021/22/23 models?
I guess that is a different story though.
If the car is good then there are people who want to buy them. If the car is crap then its vallue will drop too 0.
I am afraid this is nothing new when I was in America in the mid-80s, I would go to vehicle auctions that would be thousands upon thousands of vehicles of all kinds strewn across many fields. Some of them were insurance right off, and some of them were brand-new. (as far as I could tell anyway.) of every kind make and value.
My thoughts exactly, "zakelwe". Still very disturbing to see these just parked up and no effort to recycle or reuse - at least for the batteries. Tells me we don't know how to recycle used/obsolete batteries yet. Not good for the strip mining operations going on around the world. What an utter waste. Shame.
1. As in bankruptcy sales the world over, they’ll go to auction. Some might get a second life as a learner vehicle etc, but the overwhelmingly vast majority will be bought by recycle and scrap merchants. China is one of a handful of countries that recycle lithium EV batteries - I don’t think any western countries recycle batteries more than a token amount. 2. We’re going to see EV car parks growing all over the world - it’s not an especially Chinese problem. Lithium batteries are a major environmental and safety problem because they burn like a flame thrower and emit lethal skin burning fumes - check out videos of burning EV cars after a car crash for some examples.
There are more of them though I'm not sure how many. Some are in the original video, No Place To Place 2, though they seem to be smaller than this and have the really really crap cars in them. Honestly the issue is not the EV part, it's the car itself. The cars in these parks, not the Neta so much as its newer, but the others were the cheapest, crappiest cars they could be, and the Chinese car industry has just gotten so much better in the last 5 years, so much more value, 100x better infotainment and interiors, the competition (there's about 70 Chinese brands) is intense so you snooze you die. The EV part of these cars is probably what an early Nissan Leaf is in Europe, but the interior is like what an original Mini is to a new one. Nobody will want them, they're not economical to fix and sell, so as one guy said, you have to hope the batteries get recycled and the cars scrapped at some point.
Appreciated your fact check report as it is rare and valuable these days !🙏
You're welcome David.
Fascinating! Great video - I’d love to see more like this!
Glad you liked it. If opportunities come, I'll take them on.
@@InsideChinaAutoI'm sure there's more white monkey jobs in your future if you don't criticize the CCP 👍
They're gonna need all the PR help they can get when they invade Taiwan
Need more of these investigations, we are a few who still care about facts. Thank you !
Will see what opportunities come about in future. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much for your effort and determination of unveiling the truth. We all know which you-tuber was the one who posted the misleading video. He is not only evil but also absolutely disgusting, never ending lies and hate creating misleading info. Sad part is he used to live in China and sure had a decent time living there, Not sure how anyone with this kind of behaviour can sleep... I guess there is Karma and it will serve him well when time comes. Wish all his followers can find yr video here, sure there is no point linking yrs to his as he will delete immediately , but he is a sick man
I'm sure it will. I haven't watched his other stuff but I've seen the thumbnails here and there and they tell you all you need to know.
Couldn't sound like more of a CCP shill if you tried
ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities.......
you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....
Sadly, that same TH-camr pulls in millions of views. As such, he's likely funded by the US State Department as many popular media assets get compensated extremely well for pushing US propaganda.
Thanks for investigating and sharing the truth
You're welcome
Thank you, Mark! Much appreciated your efforts and vid.
Cheers Jacob.
Excellent 👏
Thank you. It's a lousy video production wise, not half beautiful like my others, but it says what was there.
@@InsideChinaAuto well, that's what I was after 👍
Thank you for this information. The truth is always respected and appreciated.
You're welcome. Had to go see it for myself.
I did watch the video you are referring to. Thanks for putting things into perspective.
No problem.
Thank you for explaining!
You're welcome.
Very informative, and makes a lot more sense than the false rumors
Thank you. Just giving a chance to show what it was like on the ground.
Excellent video. which appears to be the truth. It earns you a like and a subscription. Well done.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for shedding light of truth.
No problem.
Thanks for the info and the pictures. Not everything is rosy over there, but facts are facts. Waiting for the next-one?
Cheers Olaf. Let's see what can be investigated that fits in around my reviews. Barely had time to make this to be honest, I've got a bunch of car reviews waiting for me to edit.
Good on you for finding the truth. I have had this happen real time. Low season we hibernate about 2-300 rental cars in a quarry, parked up as you see in the vid for 2-3 months. For security we remove the front number plate ( stops plate stealing). We recieved notification from council via irate landowner, accused of dumping, environmental hazard ...... some "green" politician "going to expose the company & prosecute " They were banging their drums and making a total song & dance, including TV crew that broke into & trespassed to film. until they found the facts & truth. Not one apology.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect one either. As has been said recently, EVs have become the new culture war (as if we don't already have enough), it's extreme opinions or nothing. These cars are a waste here no doubt but it's the cars themselves that are the problem, not the EV part, because they were cheap and crap and now you can get cheap, better, and new.
I am shocked that not everything I see on the Internet is true???? Lol...Thank you for doing the video...great job!
Mike
You're welcome Mike.
Yeah this video is definitely not true.
@ohsnapsonbro4260 I've shown my proof, where's yours?
@@InsideChinaAuto why not answer coward? You dislike logic and fact?
@@InsideChinaAuto why didn't you show the mileage or all that wear from being well used?
Would have been interesting to try and figure out who owns them and how much they want for one. They seem left unlocked so they must not care too much about what happens to them, would they take a few hundred RMBs in exchange for a set of keys? 😅
Honestly, I think they probably would. I didn't have time to go around asking people, had a car to film for the day, but I'd go back.
These cars are all taxis or shared cars for official use. It’s not that the car doesn‘t work, but that the company goes out of business or is upgraded. If these cars were scrapped, they would have been dismantled long ago.
Exactly. They all likely work quite well. They're not as good as modern cars but some people still drive these in more rural areas and city outskirts.
Thank you for bringing the truth into the light, I wonder what might happen to these EVs... let's hope these do not rot in the wild instead of getting use somewhere else
You're welcome. I'm curious myself what will happen to them. Might go check on them again next time I'm in Hangzhou.
Ha ha ! So the only new unsold cars here are VW Audi and Toyota! What a delicious irony. I am speculating that many of these vehicles may not have the most valuable component anymore anyway? (The battery pack).
I wasn't able to see but I suspect the batteries are still attached. The VWs Audis and Toyotas will get sold eventually but they're not popular so it'll take some time.
Good to hear this. To me, I was shocked by that story, but this clears a lot about how and why.
Very good to hear bikes and subways and trains dominate over cars.
The US could rethink it's car driven mind.
BTW, hope here it does not start any fire...... damn that would be a mess.
Not just car driven mind but truck driven mind.
@@InsideChinaAuto Oh yes... the allmighty F150 and brothers... ;-(
Please make a video about the new Haval H5. I know it's an ICE, I know it's a large, heavy SUV, so not environmentally friendly at all, but it looks to be a very unique value proposition, i.e., it's dirt cheap, given all the metal Great Wall is throwing into the car! Thank you!
I'll see what I can do. I don't mind ICE or EV, I do both if they're compelling enough.
Thanks for providing first hand information about this.
No problem. I was lucky to see somebody's tip on the location and it's close enough to go check out.
If the batteries can't be recycled, they can be made into solar energy storage batteries.
That would be a good solution.
Nice investigation! Too many anti China vlogger who have no idea just regurgitate anti China video that just do it to get views.
Thank you. Yes, and that's exactly why I was curious to see how much truth there was to this story.
That guy who made fake news was a jark.
Ironically their video says China is the "country of shortcuts and facades". The only shortcuts here are the ones they're taking to fact-finding.
Subscribed for the truth 👍
Thank you very much
Leaving most of the claims aside from the original blogger, this highlights a potentially big issue with EV's.
As with mobile phones. Technology moves at a very fast pace. The same could happen with EV's. This leads to a potential scenario whereby cars, only a few years old, become worthless and redundant as people want the latest tech, best range, quickest charging.
With ICE. This tech cannot really progress now. A little bit more efficient and cleaner, but essentially it hasn't evolved.
That's the issue, because EVs are developing fast currently, they had no investment for 100 years, now they have it all. There will be waste in early years, or at least leftovers cast aside, but from what I understand, batteries can be fully recycled so if these old triangles can be reshaped into squares, there's hope yet.
Thank you. So....do not trust random videos with suspect claims on TH-cam and Twitter!
Or at least do some investigating. If it sounds insane, chances are it at least isn't quite as bad as it sounds or inaccurate.
Found your channel yesterday after the e sport coupe (neta gt, is this same car maker as with these videos , just as you said 5-6 years later and much better?)and watch many videos this night and was pleasantly surprised about this debunking video! (: man keep your quality up, really enjoy the insights into china auto like your channel name states ^^
Glad you found us mate and glad you like the videos. Neta has been like watching evolution in real time. Their first V was so bad, almost made from aftermarket parts, but what they're making now is lightyears better.
Excellent work, thanks for debunking those lies.
You're welcome.
Nice video. Please someone in china refurbish these cars and sell them cheap in Malaysia. We need more EV's. Thanks. 👍
Maybe best to refurbish the batteries and put in nicer cars at this point.
Thanks for sorting out the $hite from the truth.
It's a dirty job, somebody has to do it.
Spot on and fabulous to see someone who knows and lives amongst the worlds biggest EV producer and gets it, as it is, thank you.
Glad you liked it. I try to keep balance in all that I do and have a desire to see both sides where I can.
I counted the 90 cars behind him, and several hundred in front. It's at min. 800-1000 cars.
The figures refer to the Neta V models, which the other video claims are 'more than 10,000' in number. There are only 146 of those, and they're not new. The car there is loads of is the BJEV EC3 and I explain that he's right about those being failed car sharing ventures.
@@InsideChinaAuto and how many fields of abandoned EVs are there in china?
@@leedavies76 who's they? I don't trust tesla either. you will own nothing and you will be happy.
Thanks
You're welcome.
Nice work. Sadly more and more lies pop up about EVs for the reasons we can't discuss too much.
Indeed. There's a lot of lies out there. Trust people on the ground.
The automobile industry worldwide is suffering a slow painful death. I love cars, but for many people, they simply don't make sense anymore. Maybe because of price, maybe because of inconvenience, maybe because of concerns about the environment. Dunno know. New (and used ) vehicles are piling up all over the world.
They are. We need to get a lot better at this because we're making too much, 100%.
A good explanation provided and well researched. I mentioned your channel in reply to someones comment on another channel that brought up the "Brand new EV's rotting in a field" question, which would have been "reported" by a few Anti-China propaganda sites that are invariably produced from outside of China. Namely, the likes of Serpentza and Laowhy86 who work together to produce streams of this type of rubbish for their loyal followers.
Thank you very much. I saw the Serpentza video and the problem with it is that it makes some false claims and some true claims but without any context. Based on that, I can assume the same kind of oversights are likely to be present in their other work so I don't pay attention the rest. They'll know it well enough themselves that you can only truly know China by living here and even a few years out the country can mean almost everything changes. I went out for two years and so much had changed when I got back, particularly in the EV and car space.
@@InsideChinaAuto These two are famous professional anti-China channel. No matter they live China or not any more, they just against all Chinese thing
Right. Find out the truth and release to public that can decrease the bad EV provider or manufacturer etc.
It's not so much an issue of the EV, just that China moved on at an unprecedented speed and these cars just cannot compete anymore, rendering them worthless at least in China.
Thanks for exploding yet another anti-BEV myth. It's a bloody shame these cars unable to be used (yet), but this is economics.
It is sad, but it's also a sign of how far EVs came in China in just 6 years that these are almost worthlessness now. Good news is the battery materials are all totally recyclable so they can be useful again once somebody decides to sort them.
I saw one of those false info short videos. They were stacked 3-4 high and they were claiming these vehicles were brand new and dumped in the trash.
The first thing that caught my attention was the vast majority of them still had plates on the fronts and backs. I knew there was more to the story.
Thankyou!
There always is.
Thank you so much for doing this.
No problem. You got some EV industry going on in Jamaica? That's awesome.
Sincere thank you for researching and telling the truth.
No problem.
When I saw this 'news' circulating, I am honestly unimpressed.
I have seen fields of newish fords/GMs/Dodges/Hyundais/Toyotas etc. rotting and taken by nature in the US, UK and many other countries.
It is perfectly normal, especially when Dealers go tits-up. Even banks & impoundment lots have acres of vehicles ready for the next fire sale.
This much-hyped EV graveyard is tiny in comparison and when you count the cars, you struggle to even hit the 1,000 mark.
It is pretty much a low-effort smear job, much like most of 'Western coverage' of China due to Cold War 2.0.
Putting all that aside, Long-term Chinese car followers would know that progress has traditionally been the biggest strength and weakness of the Chinese Car market.
After all, why would you buy a car now when the same brand would make a far superior one next year?
Why would you hold onto a car if it would be superseded next year?
In many ways, it is an uniquely Chinese problem.
It is one of the main reasons why vehicle buy-backs and trade-ins are so strongly preferred by Chinese carbuyers.
Indeed. China's used car market was never very strong and they're looking to build that up this year. People love new things, not old, but then you tend to love old if it has some personality. These BJEVs don't really have any, so nobody wants them here, but somewhere in the world they can be somebody's pride and joy and livelihood. Hopefully they make it that far at some point.
@@InsideChinaAuto
The problem is the older gen of EVs are honestly not as good as the current breed of EVs and importing them as they are would likely degrade the image that Chinese brands are trying to build for themselves. The support structure for these EVs is also not there for PI to work (Parts/Charging infrastructure for etc.) or grey exporters would have picked them up already.
Certain Automakers (BAIC for instance) are also not as good in their 'support department' when it comes to their Older EVs,unlike say BYD.
These might be better off scrapped for parts and sold off to the nearest 4S shop.
Of course, you can make the argument that the newish ones would be better off auctioned off but there is a problem with that.
Chinese carbuyers tend to avoid used vehicles, especially when they are not supported by a 4S in their area.
@@possumsam2189 Exactly these things. EVs are currently in what I call the Wild West phase, imperfect products, imperfect infrastructure, and imperfect after sales, so these are the growing pains that will happen.
Serpentza really is a muppet
He's making coin though, it's just the way he's doing it I'd question.
Thx for giving the right context on these fields. Still a pitty as you say.
No problem.
Fascinating! Thank you!
You're welcome.
I still think its a bit rich to claim that having all these newish EV's sitting rotting in a field is somehow not a problem. If this is a situation that exists in more cities in China, then the figures quoted in the original video would be dwarved. But then it takes a brave person to go film in these places. I assume you got permission from someone before being allowed there ? Did you have to have the film vetted before you put it online, to make sure you were putting out the correct message ? Just wondering......
You should not believe any message on this channel, and just keep all those shits that you'd believed before, they are well-suited for your twisted and tiny brain.
Keep in mind, no truth can escape from China, and we Chinese are coming for you, be alarmed and scared！！！
No Mark, I saw somebody online say where it was, I checked it out on Baidu Maps to match it to the video and found the location, then went to see if you could get in, and it turns out you can just walk right in to the old car bit. The new cars are kept a bit safer. The real issue is that the cars that are abandoned (more the BJEV EC3 than the Neta V) are obsolete. Very basic when new, their drivetrain is fine but the interior and infotainment system is stone aged compared to what Chinese consumers have chance to buy now. You can see a bunch on my channel. It's been the most ridiculous transformation and the journalists and executives that came to Shanghai Auto Show after 4 years away all couldn't hide their surprise. We get used to life barely changing with each year in the West. China remains the fastest changing society on the planet and it can only be believed if you see it.
@@InsideChinaAuto So what you actually uncovered is a different problem in that all these still reasonably recent EVs are essentially abandoned because no one wants them after the original owner goes bust or whatever. Still not a good situation.
@@schrodingerscat1863 Well it's not as simple as that. These are former rental cars and 5-6 years old. That means likely no fast charging, spartan interiors with lots of blank button spaces, tiny screens, no decent connectivity (you have no idea how important that is in China), no 5G, no ADAS functions, and that's the BJEV EC3s that were OK when new. The green and white things in the other video were barely fit for purpose at the time, let alone now when China's car market has come on the way it has done in the last half decade. In China terms, this isn't just an original Nissan Leaf vs a new one, it's like an original Mini vs a new MINI, minus any personality.