China's Car Exports to Russia Falter: "Tofu-Dreg" Vehicles Infuriate Russians
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2023
- According to a survey by local Russian institutions, 44% of Russian consumers believe that the metal materials used in Chinese cars are too thin or the components are not suitable; 42% pointed out metal corrosion issues, believing that these cars are not adapted to Russia's cold winters; 29% felt that the electronic products and components used in Chinese cars are of lower quality; 28% complained that the suspension is too soft for Russian roads; furthermore, 24% of consumers believe that the paint coating on Chinese cars is not robust.
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Chinese automaker, "We're not worried. Russians have no other options.". This mentality is what's wrong with Chinese products.
why fix if no competition. sucks to be a filthy russian
They have Lada.
iPhone are all made in China too. What do you say about that.
@@inception6657 iPhone is not Chinese product. Its quality is controlled by Apple, not Chinese.
@@chuck-N-mz9gg Correct but the assembling and majority of the manufacturing process is in China's hand.
When he says heavily influenced by Japanese and US designs doesn’t he mean China just stole the blueprints?
Not necessarily the blueprints, just the look. A true copy would also result in similar safety standards - inferior material quality aside.
You can buy a car and than try to do the same optically but cheaper. They once got a container of stil chainsaws where the chain brake was only a handle. This stops the chain bevor you split your head. They said they are not sure if the manufacturer which faked these even know why this brake exists.
They bought Volvo for example. That took the whole Chinese car industry to the next level.
Made in China is a good book about why Chinese produce is rubbish
They didn't steel them....they paid someone else to do that hahaha
We are thankful of our government for not allowing any Chinese automobile in India.
🎉 😅
Mahindra and Tata should be capitalising on this opportunity by making their next iteration of popular vehicles cold resistant
Smart choice
Yes Yes brother fuck there brand
@@silafaupaulmeredith7251 nobody's talking about evs
When cherry first opened in our country it became a hit because of its rock bottom prices. You don't see them anymore. Too many returned their units due to poor performance.
If this happens to their car industry, their aviation industry is truly scary
Where you lived?
Chinese aviation motto is truly "Coming in on a wing and a prayer."
First flight of the C919 was one way, reported issues, and the unit stayed at the destination for repairs. The return leg was an Airbus, I believe.
@@MarkH10 yep, western made commercial airplanes have flown literally billions of miles over a 100 year time frame, Chinese made - less than a thousand miles. It's a bad joke when someone says Chinese aviation.
@@tommyking626 Philippines
I am from the Russian Far East.
A twenty years JDM is still better than the brand new Chinese crap. And it still repairable and holds value. Hell even a thirty year old Crown or Mark II is still better and can be restored abd resold.
The Chinese ones are basically single use disposable item to be thrown away a year of use, two tops. There's no secondary market.
Yeah. It’s funny that China calls EVs “New Energy” Vehicles but omits the part the electricity comes Russian Fossil fuels and native coal deposits.
Oof, sorry
你真搞笑。20年前的车容易修理，是因为电子设备极少，几乎没有。而如今的汽车，电子设备太多了，电子设备坏了，就很难修理。而汽车电子设备会越来越多。比如我同学5年新买的雪佛兰的汽车，三缸发动机，新车买来在路上开着发抖，去雪佛兰4S服务站都没有检测出问题。忍着开了几个月，有次在路上开不走了，然后叫了4S服务站救援。这次4S服务站给他的车重新刷入了新的MCU程序，汽车抖动和其它问题就解决了。
I have said this before. Stay away from Chinese car.
I'm from the east coast of the United States and it's funny to me that we're having this same "cheaply made, disposable car" problem with our own carmakers. Meanwhile, just about everyone I know drives a 30-40 year old domestic or JDM vehicle, myself included. It seems to be all the people with office jobs who know nothing about cars or machines and actively try to avoid learning about something even when it directly benefits them who just keep going through car after car.
I barely trusted my kids Chinese atv, I had to check every bolt on it and add loctite to keep it from falling apart. Almost every bolt was made from low quality pot metal. I would never be dumb enough to buy an entire Chinese car 😂
U bought a $200 atv what do u expect pancho?
@@TD-yj8ch good lucking finding one that runs for $200 I paid $700 and got 600 for it 2 years later
@@ronaldosanchez3292 $200 or $700, same point. Now if you were to buy a $5000 ATV from China, you wouldn't have to worry about the quality. You get what you pay for man. Don't be a tool and spread lies. China makes high end stuff, who do u think makes iphones? Mercedes and BMW cars sold in China are made in China and they are the same quality. CHinese have amazing domestic cars now, check out XPeng, NIO, BYD...
@@TD-yj8chwhere did you get your usd 200 price tag from ?
@@tanjongmalim6869 i was just guessing what he paid for it, I wasn't far off. You try and buy one in the US for under $5K.
Chinese car brands were handed a golden opportunity in Russia to establish true dominance in the market.
But they do what they always do - prioritize fast profits. They don't have an incentive to actually develop a loyal customer base. Chinese car makers are headed by officials approved by the CPP. As Chinese officials usually have very limited time to line their own pockets by diverting money and taking bribes, they do their best to exploit that short opportunity as much as they can. Long term considerations and quality have no place in that system.
I was thinking the same thing. They had an economical oppurtunity handed to them on a silver platter, but they didn't have any wisdom to take advantage of it, also eventually they will face a reckoning for selling an ally cheap shit.
that is so true - short term profit - and then run away . THAT is Chinese business theory, right there
@@oov55A++ for you mate
The Chinese probably think there anyway won't be a Russian federation in a couple of years time, so they don't care about Russian customer loyalty. Just get the cars off the production line and sold as fast and expensive as possible while there's still a Russian economy. Who knows what comes later.
In comparison to Russia Chinesse are honest businessmen.
Chinese brand is well known for cheap quality. It is not stereotype.
Heard of DJI. The Americans drool over their drones.
@@kamsunleong6648Doesn't mean they aren't cheap throaways.
@@kamsunleong6648we are talking cars here, not drones
@@kamsunleong6648 Only consumers. If you have any interest in the tech/hobby/sport, you build your own.
While cheap and quality are not mutually exclusive, if you can’t trust your bank or food as a CCP Chinese citizen, I’m sad for you.
I remember when Fiat tried to grow its Canadian market with a highly efficient front wheel drive sedan. They had absolutely no concept of how to prevent massive corrosion when the vehicle had to deal with harsh winters and lots of road salt. After two or three years they were literally falling apart and eventually the car was withdrawn from the market. To bad for ruzzians that purchased biodegradable Chinese cars.
That's strange, we have winter long snowy places in italy, who know what happened there...
@@daruthebeast You're comparing Canadian winters to Italy Seriously? wow!
@@jonlee2217then let's compare it to a Polish or Scandinavian winter then. Still didn't see Fiat having any more noticeable issues or salt corossion than any other European brand.
@@jonlee2217 sure, while it's the limit and not normal you can get to -50c in the Alps. But that's not the point, we use salt everywhere in north italy to fight snow and ice, and that happens at 0c which is very common, so you'd expect they'd know about it being an issue, it's nothing new.
russian "rasputitsa"
China can't or won't make even the most simple to make products with decent quality. Anyone who believes it gets better the more money you give them is crazy
Well here in Thailand we think differently. Chinese evs totally dominate . BYD is no 1 by a wide margin. The buyers here know it has a 5 star safety rating from Euro NCAP. Safe, affordable, value for money. Not many here can afford over-priced German evs Taycan or E tron. BYD is building a plant to support the right hand drive market.
yup. another yup - you can get a more reliable 20 year old honda with 150k+ miles. my honda is a beast like all other hondas. 308k miles and bangin!
They are not overpriced. They are built to higher standard. Chinese goods are just low quality crap and a poor imitation.
@kamsunleong6648 only cheapskate thinks China car is good. Just came back from Indonesia and I saw a few quite new Wuling drive like turtle. No power at all. In Singapore no ones will buy any China car unless its for a fleet of taxis or ride hailing companies which are heavily subsidies
@@kamsunleong6648 heres your 50 cent 💰 lol
Even Russians are complaining about China's substandard practice. that Ally for you!
I'm sorry, but we Russians (as in - actual people) have zero obligations to buy bad stuff just because our government that routinely fakes elections made some sort of alliance.
The russian standards are not anything to sing about either
Ally doesn't mean it has to buy BS
These vehicles arent produced in Russia at all. They are shipped without wheels, which are put on the vehicle in Russia. As such they can say that they are built in Russia.
They might do that to avoid import taxes. Final assembly is often used to skirt import duties.
Built in Russia or China I wouldn't buy one or even accept a free one either
@@alanwhite6293 The point is, they want to give the impression that they are completely self sufficient and don't need outside products. The truth is, they make next to nothing in Russia, they don't have a single factory producing wood screws, for example.
Actually the wheels are attached, they fall off in shipment.
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In the 1990s I worked for a South Korean corporation. One day a colleague said to me, with a lost look, "They did it." "Who? What?" "The Chinese. They hired an army of engineers and reverse engineered our XYZ product." Obviously, the quality and price were what you'd expect from a Chinese product - good enough for "friendly" countries.
If you worked for South Korean company then you’re at the very bottom of the food chain in car industry of east Asia.
@@therebel5320 I disagree. Companies such as Hyndai and Kia are doing quite well, even better than some of the Japanese counterparts such as Suzuki or Nissan.
No matter how hard you may try, you can't polish a turd.
The funniest complaint “ The interior smells like China”.😂😂😂😂
What does China smell like? What first comes to mind? It smells like lies, a MAGA rally, like riding in a horse drawn buggy, except that would be better than a car made by thieves, for thieves.
That is actually a specific smell, and most of the people are meaning that the plastic is emanating a horrible chemical smell. I used to have the cheapest Chinese crap toys as a child, like football ball, etc… they really smelled
@@iulian-casianmerce4122 I would check for heavy metal poisoning if i were you 🤣
@@Tamachii12 How about you get yourself checked first then speak alright.
@@iulian-casianmerce4122 Oh yeah. How old are you now. You may be grownup but unfortunately your mind isn't. Such a pity
The Chinese are adaptable. In about 20 years, they will be on a par with a 1980 Lada.
In terms of durability they may never actually get there. There's too much of an obsession within the car industry in general by "improving" the the fancy navigation screens and having a million cameras everywhere rather than improving durability. The Chinese manufacturers are taking planned obsolescence to the extreme and are focussing on quantity vs quality in a way that would make Ford and GM blush.
@@Klutech Huawei’s autonomous driving system has long left Tesla smelling dust in the distance。Basically， you can sleep while the car is driving, either in the highway or in remote rural area.
@@hanfucolorful9656 I'm glad you are not sleeping where I am. Which doesn't mean tesla is legitimate by any means.
@@hanfucolorful9656 If you try to sleep in Russia with AI driving of any kind you are asking for a very rude awakening - or none at all. In rural areas road quality is often atrocious; in cities you are better off using public transportation like everyone else.
@@hanfucolorful9656 Claiming superiority over tesla isn't saying too much.
Elon musk doesn't sell good cars, he sells good ideas that never pan out.
In the UK it's is illegal to use a mobile phone when driving,yet cars are using touch screens.Can't see how this is any different to using a phone.
Bigger and mounted screen. Not very different from a regular console.
@@CTimmerman nonanswer
@wilko9396 Good point, but until you've memorized the feel, you still need to take your eyes off the road. Also, Tesla has yoke buttons.
@wilko9396 Yoke buttons and stalks can keep eyes on the road, just like console buttons. Do crash statistics support touchscreens being worse? At least a touch screen should have enough capacity to also offer voice control, so people can keep both hands on the wheel while adjusting the airco.
Have had a Cherry Tiggo here in Thailand, after 5 year it was so bad that I sold it for 1$.
You would've made more money selling it to a junk shop? Are there none in Thailand?
I dont believe you
555, no I sold it for 50.000 Thai bat, I was willing to give it away but my wife said no.
Just so I did not had to look at it.
She got a Toyota Cross as replacement
A BYD/ORA/ Goodcat is the car for you then.
@@bendikskristensen9000
The buyer of part cars "ระเบิดเป็นอะไหล่" would only agree to that if there are no more running Chery left for him to sell parts to, and the car have to be sold off in weight of material. Is that how it happened?
It took Western carmakers decades to learn how to build real world cars, i.e. cars that are extensively tested to withstand all possible environments. Every Western model nowadays gets thousands kms testing in Nevada as well as in Finland.
$43,000 dollars for a small Chinese car. Give me a Suburu that will last me 20 years for that.
I’m an American man from the Oregon High Desert and the first thought I had about the Chinese cars operating in Russia was that the conditions are much harsher than the designers imagined and they’ll break down quickly. Back home we own either a quality front wheel drive for inner city driving and a 4 wheel drive truck with serious snow tires mounted for winter driving, to drive a 2 wheel drive pickup truck off road, even a little is foolish. But my home town is minor compared to the conditions in Russian winters, we don’t use road salts and the climate has very low humidity so our undercarriages and body panels last decades longer, we use crushed lava pumice red cinder instead of salt.
We use salt in detroit, maybe thats why its in the rust belt, or the big 3 and the salt mine got a deal going with the state.
It's not as much an issue of corrosion (it won't be important, say, to yours truly who drives only in the summer) - but of overall under-engineered design and execution. Their engines, transmissions and suspensions fall apart even before gross corrosion. The Chinese had a solid presence in Russia for at least fifteen years... but there are very few five-year-old Chinese cars on the road and certified zero ten-year-olds. They're all gone. Meanwhile, 40-year-old VAZ cars are still a common sight, often in very good exterior condition.
@@jmi5969 well damn, that’s a cheap ass car then! What kind of steel or scrap tin are they using to make these thing in China? Here in the US we include nickel in the steel to help prevent corrosion and it works well but it’s expensive so many car makers here don’t use it, they prefer people needing to buy a new vehicle every few years or so.
Absolutely, having lived in Alaska it's (the deep cold) devastating to machinery and expensive! Example; the military base outside Fairbanks is the most costly to run and during the Afghan/Iraq conflicts if you served at this base, the military wouldn't send to the conflict! Non-deployable !😮
Still Japanese car is the best
My 20 year old Toyota Prado is still going strong.
I'm more older and classic American but Japan's got some great cars too just different than my brash American tastes 😆
@remuskingofrome a lot of cars were just built better back in the day. More importantly they were made to be repairable vs replaceable
Only their ice cars. They are nowhere when cones to ev.
My manual Jeep compus ❤saves my life in Houston
I wouldn't trust anything of complexity being made in China, guns, jets, ships, road vehicles, I'd expect that they wouldn't have the longevity of properly developed technologies.
You are 100% CORRECT.
I don't know. I currently own a couple of Chinese made pump action shotguns. There's also the copies of the 1911 handgun, the AR15 and the AK47 as well. If they would stop cutting so many corners they would probably make a killing selling firearms in America. Everything else that they make however is a different story.
@@jermeywilliams6704 Anything made in China is usually a knock off of a superior product, made with lower quality materials and less stringent safety protocols, frankly the only original idea CCP China has had is the tofu dreg constructions, no one else would want to build infrastructure in such a shoddy way.
But just about all our complex modern technologies (from Harley Davidsons and Teslas to iPhones and batteries) are made either in part or in whole in China, that’s why the US are so desperate to keep up with them. Besides, Chinese cars are also sold throughout Latin America and Europe without such complaints… this reporting seems to be misleading and entirely one sided.
@@georgecostanza2695 When they're making products for international customers that have to set up a factory in China for, there's a quality assurance department and all the parts are sourced from wherever they're from.
But when Chinese companies make products on their own they're usually knockoff's of those companies products made with sub par quality components, as cheap as possible and quality assurance is the least of their concerns.
China has a saying "if you can cheat, then cheat" and that seems to permeate through all levels of society, unfortunately.
My Chinese friend telling me that china cars have now surpassed our German cars and also Chinese EVs having surpassed Tesla‘s.
I am highly skeptical of that.
I would be skeptical too. Even though tesla is hardly a measure of quality.
"better than tesla" is a low low bar to clear.
they are expensive, but they are still cr@p
If Chinese products are not good, westerners won't complain. People in China said"if westerners cry about what we do, that means we did it right. If they say you are good, that means they don't care about your product".
This is pure Karma. Back in the late 90's Russia started exporting Lada vehicles. The cars were/are pure junk. I remember being in South Africa back in the early 2000s. My wife's brother just bought a Lada 4x4. After 1 day of driving the transfer case went out. Russian "technology".
The only thing good about Lada was the heater small comfort when in South Africa.
Good luck with touchscreen controls in a car, when you have to drive in gloves in winter 😂
Why would one wear gloves, at all? Winters are getting warmer and warmer (thank you Greta...). As a pedestrian (I don't drive in winter) I don't recall any real need to wear gloves for at least ten past years. It sometimes reached -25C but never dropped into really cold territory. As a driver though I'm scared by these touchscreens. I would need *another* set of eyeglasses to read the screen reliably, and changing glasses at speed (with or without gloves) is quite a dangerous proposition.
@@jmi5969 As a pedestrian, you dont need to hold your hand onto a steering wheel iced down to minus 25 degrees C......
@@Debbiebabe69 A steering wheel of solid metal? mine is covered in PU foam and vinyl "leather", no big deal.
@@jmi5969 Polyurethane and vinyl are not magic substances that heat themselves. Grabbing hold of something in them at minus 25 would be VERY uncomfortable. Grabbing a normal vinyl steering wheel at positive 2 degrees C is very uncomfortable, never mind minus 25....
@@Debbiebabe69 Never had any issues with this - and I began driving when temperatures below -30c were the norm. Granted, recent winters were much better but -20..-25C happens occasionally.
That said, I did not drive in the winter for the last two decades, but - considering the inevitable loss of tactile sensitivity after 60 - winter temps should not be a problem even now.
You know things are really bad when a French automaker and Renault in particular is considered a brand that makes "reliable" cars.
What's next? Praising Fiat quality? Perhaps the Yugo will make a comeback and displace the Chinese cars with it's amazing longevity.
They are reliable. Maybe old Renault cars from the 70s and 80s were bad. But nowadays (00s' - today) they are no different than the rest. Renault Diesel engines are so reliable, that Mercedes are using Renault engines in their Diesel powered cars.
French cars, especialy Renault, may be cheap, but that doesn't mean they are bad.
@@antasosam8486 They are bad. Regardless of price.
It is actually (Dacia) Renaults Romanian budget brand. Dacia are good realy good cars and Renault is not that overly happy about it as they them selfes produces "not so good cars". Look at the clip, a Dacia that is a Dacia a separat car model built from Renault parts and all the sudden Renault likes to call them Dacias = Renault.
Dacia= Nr1 in France 😁.
Dacias models are also made by LADA named LADA in Russia bearing some minor differences, stronger old type easy mantained engines and some more insulation against the cold.
I bought a Chinese car last year: one of the worst mistakes of my life.
honest question, which brand and which version?
Mine was a Chinese condom
Rust proofing is one of the more expensive things in car manufacturing that cannot be done on the cheap and is invisible on a new car. It wouldn't surprise me if that's where Chinese manufacturers save first, especially using cheap third grade quality sheet steel with the rust already in the material when the car rolls off the production line. A car like that will last maybe 2 or 3 Russian winters before it's mostly just to rust.
It will destroy itself even faster because of the Russian roads...
Made from cheap Chinesium eh.
what nonsense. Small Fiat or small Opel already have body protection - zinc coating.
@@bigdevil73 You might want to read my comment again. Maybe you'll understand it after a second time.
BTW, only very few car manufacturers give their cars a zinc coating and then only certain models. Fiat and Ford are not among them.
On top of that, I suspect the Chinese steel use, is made from poorly recycled material.
When steel is recycled, if the other incompatible metals are not separated and are mixed with steel. They will cause the metal to be weaken and rust, even with the best rust proofing.
What do you expect ? It is made in China.
Like anything from China its disposable 😅😂
10:50 - "looks like misunderstanding" is a literal and direct translation of Russian somewhat idiomatic expression which is a derivative/ euphemisation of "it's a mistake" (ошибка, oshibka), and it would be best translated as "it's a poor joke".
But it makes it more funny as said in the video. Chinese copies are really like a misunderstanding ^^
@@benghazi4216 Maybe : ) Still, the translation was... well, a misunderstanding ;-)
The word in question that I forgot to mention, the "euphemism" for "oshibka" (a mistake) is недоразумение, nedorazumeniye, which can be translated as "misunderstanding", but its core meaning is closer to "not a full/ thorough understanding/ comprehension". These "oshibka" and "nedorazumeniye" are comonly usedused to describe situation akin to one in "four candles" sketch - you ask for "fork 'andles", and get four candles instead - or "foot pumps", but not "a pump, operated by foot, to inflate a tyre" but "brown pumps, for yer feet, size nine!" : )
The key to building a good business is continuously improving Quality. Claiming that consumer criticism is shaking the automaker down (blaming the consumer for poor quality), is a violation of the "consumer is always right" strategy. Toyota is the largest automaker because of its focus on quality, not because it undercuts competitors prices. China's Tofu-Dreg businesses (State Owned Enterprises) will survive only as long as they receive government subsidies.
That's true of 80% of all chinese industries
Decades of driving Trabants and Yugos has given Russians unrealistic expectations for high quality. 🙄
Russian have been driving western and japanese/Korean brands since the 90s
Best Comment!
Imagine hearing "you're cut off from the market, so you have no choice but to settle with cars from us. We won't invest much work into making anything better, either."
With friends like China, Russia doesn't need enemies.
GM did the same thing in the late 70s by blocking Japanese imports. We see how that worked out.
Not even Chinese want to buy Chinese cars.
such a stupid comment. In April 2024 BYD sold over 300,000 cars in China, so i really don't know why you think that.
I spoke to a scope manufacturer about their Chinese products. They paid to keep one of their engineers in the country to stay on top of the manufacturing. The Chinese were capable of producing a high quality product, but without a supervisor with integrity, they would "substitute" materials, procedures, and QA.
My sister’s ex worked in a Chinese power plant as a foreigner. He told us the engineers there are idiots, they see pressure readings far beyond the limit of normal operations. And instead of finding the problem and solving it, the Chinese engineers wanted to manipulate the pressure reader…….
@@jonson856 lol, nice story bro, except it is garbage, you have no idea about actual Chinese engineers competance. You don't know what you are talking about.
@@lo2740 Why should my sister's ex lie?
Just because you feel hurt, doesnt mean you have to deny that there are some lazy and stupid bums where he worked.
@@lo2740go back to Youku
It’s just the communist way !!!
as a person of Chinese descent, I would not be driving a China car
As a person of non Chinese descent I would not either
One look at China's military vehicles gives you a good idea about its cars ...
And Tyre.
I had a Chinese military coat the arms were stapled on.
Even people in 3rd world countries say China products are crap. They'd rather buy Japanese or Korean vehicles. The only thing China has invented that's still used today is the chopstick in it's original form. 😂
not sure I would trust a chinese chopstick either...
I live in Indiana my car is a 91 Honda Accord, this thing still runs after 30 years
Producing cars without seatbelts; that's too bad.
"If he dies, he dies."
-Cheap Car producers
"No seat bert? That customer probrem now" --Chinese car producers
its all about optimising the power to weight ratio
@@demonwolf570😂
Spot on. Chinese cars look like more as a cheap smartphone with a wheels rather than an automobile.
If it's made by a Chinese company, it's going to be full of shortcuts, facades, and corruption - equating to a terrible product.
That's what happens when a country has no sound ethics, and ha a bad reputtion for the lack of quality of the products they manufacture!
Same applies to india.
Many chinese cars after a few years are even rusting in Australia which is a dry climate.
Well when you cant get the good sh*t, you are forced to buy total sh*t.
I did a Google-search, and found out that the reason cars don’t rust out the way they used to in the 1970s is because they use hot-dip-zinc baths on the steel as the steel is produced. The Chinese cars do not use this type of steel. Because of this type of galvanized-steel being used on cars in western countries, you do not get the rust that you would otherwise get if you used untreated steel.
I don't know Chinese cars, because they are not yet being sold in my country, Portugal. But their motorcycles are being sold here, and i can testify their low quality. Rust just after a few months, losing bolts, parts missing from factory, mulfuncions, not even being able to start. They really not made to last. I can only imagine that their cars are also no good, they can show 5 star crash ratings, but that doesn't prove they are any good in terms of reliability and build quality.
In India if anybody says its a "chinese product' it automatically means use and throw cheap junk
Lol true
Like indian "product" is any better...
@@nofyfb123 on average they are
@@Tonyx.yt. Wet dream...
@@nofyfb123 im not indian or asian, i have no reason to defend India but for example royal enfield new motorcycles are built with decent quality, for example their engine contamimants found in the break in engine oil are 100s times lower than chinese motorcycles engines ones. Also food safety in China it's awfull, but i dont mind eating few products from india and i know how some shit work because im into food industry as well...
6:30 i solute these guys talking the truth about how the company feels about consumers . ALL companies are like that, if there is no competition they have absolutely no desire to improve anything
Man, if the RUSSIANS say that your cars are crap... run away..
Chinese social ethos were formed during Maoist era famines and the Western concept of quality never penetrated there (unlike Japan where W. Edwards Deming is a national hero).
My mate had a Chinese car, he regretted it every day, called it poorly made junk.
Westerners may like to laugh at Lada and other Russian brands, but those cars can take a beating and are designed to be repaired. I imagine the Russian consumers who have bought Chinese-designed cars either didn't know better (assuming they'd have similar durability) or literally couldn't get anything else because of the sudden withdrawal of western manufacturers. I bet that in another year or two when these 2022 cars start falling apart, the word will get out and sales of them will drop off steeply.
Older designs are easier to repair, but are inferior as a consumer product.
If only Lada was russian design.
If you fix everything yourself in newly bought russian car then you can drive it. Believe me I've lived through all that.
Can only imagine the Chinese military hardware quality.
You don't wanna mess with Russia when it comes to car reliability. While their car isn't winning awards in terms of design or comfort, those utilitarian steel boxes WILL outlast any Chinese car, period. Their cars have a long history of being highly reliable and extremely robust. There are many Soviet-era cars from 60s to 80s that's still moving around
C'mon, soviet cars was a scrap, even worse than chineese. At least you don't need to wait in line 3 years to buy it.
what are they gonna do, start a war? lol
I thought those were Lada's, which were a strengthened Fiat 124.
I think that reflects poverty rather than excellence of design. Now, how do you explain all the 1950s American cars in Cuba? Were THEY excellent?
@@occamraiserI mean. Kinda yeah. The fact they still work does at least show they were built well. Just because a car falls out of style doesn’t mean it was a bad car
China outright stole one Chery from General Motors during what was supposed to be a joint venture. The Chinese knockoff was so similar the doors were interchangeable.
GM agreed to this - was part of the deal
@nordic5490 Nope. 2003. There are all sorts of news articles about it. Also in 2002 Chery using VW parts in their cars without permission.
Does Russia salt its roads in winter? It that's the case, then cars for Russia need extensive corrosion-protection.
In cities - yes, and salt corrosion is in fact a serious issue for cars, or so I heard.
Although - in Moscow area at least - less corrosive reagents tend to be used for the last decade or so, at least judging from deterioration of my boots - I don't have a car.
In rural areas often no one even attempts cleaning the roads, so packed snow it is all the way.
GEELY OWNS VOLVO. SO SWEDEN GETTING IN CARS THROUGH BACK DOOR INTO RUSSIA VIA DIRECT IMPORT FROM CHINA.
Can confirm. Chinese steel sucks.
I don't think China understands metal tempering. Most Chinese metal you can fold in half with your bare hands. I've seen videos of construction workers taking rebar and folding it into origami with just their hands.
@@YourHineyness Oh, they understand they have no quality control. Why would they? If the state is going to cover up everything anyway. But as for Russians talking about how fast the Steel rusts they are spot on as well. I had a GM car from when Obama bailed out the Auto giant and my god that steel was so quick to rust in the snow.
Don’t these people get access to crash tests? If so, 90% of these cars wouldn’t sell.
Very similar here in Greece, but with chinese motorbikes & scooters. They are cheap to buy new, but very difficult to sell them on the used market. Once you bought a chinese motorbike, you are basically married to it. The quality is in general low and the newer ones have many software problems. Spare parts are also rare and takes weeks until to they arrive.
Selam komşu
It kills me that China's Ninja 400 competition is almost as expensive. It has it's paid promoters in the industry and that's all that matters. It's the CF Moto 450SS. Embarrassing listening to the corporate speak out of usually respectable journos.
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In Europe it's called CF Moto 450SR. €5990 is the list price in Greece. Which is actually very competitive in its category. Ninja 400 (€7400) and CBR500R (€8100), are way more expensive.
I like also the 270-grad crank engine. It's unique in this price range & engine displacement. Also with radial Brembo brakes, Bosch EFI, Continental ABS, slipper clutch, etc.
This would be the only Chinese bike, which i would make an exception. As long as i know (after long-term tests by real owners) that the built & software quality is on par with Japanese and European bikes/scooters of similar price. It also CF Moto's own design and not a copy of an other big brand bike.
@@vasiliyt8600 It's $200 more than the twin Ninja 400 here. The ZX4-RR Ninja is almost $10k however. I'd have to see reviews several years out and even then low sales would deter me. I am not a fan of ' orphan ' bikes. The twin 400 Ninja sells really well here. I've already seen one CF sale after only a few hundred miles on Craigslist.
I had a Geely - and both front doors started rusting. I do not live in Russia and we do not have snow on the roads where I live.
I do live in Russia and snow is indeed something we do have more than enough of. Also ice.
I'm not a car owner but from my experience every trip in winter starts with a few minutes of painstaking scraping of caked snow off the windows, and sometimes attempts to open frozen door locks.
You can imagine how quick the Chinese vehicles deteriorate here, and why they were so far fairly unpopular.
Don't forget the roads - if you can call them that - if there even is a road.
Russian cars are the total opposite of China's. Many Russians struggle to afford a car and the roads aren't very good so they build their cars as durable and long lasting as possible. Many Russian cars from the 50s and 60s are still on the road.
I loved the look of the AZ-452 4WD van, like an old Kombi :D
Don't they take extremely good care of them like the Cubans? Saw a video with tricked out 1980s cars. Amazing!
That isn't not correct. Our modern domestic cars aint durable. They are produced from thin cheap metal and completed with unreliable components.
Russians had always focus on Numbers over Quality since World war II. It's not surprise to see how Russian Tanks perform on defense but they are still deadly because of their fire power. Even if quality, the Russians always refer Quality as Easy to Repair than Quality but complicated to repair. It's a different mentality than the West.
Even now the West is running out of Tanks ammunition due to the Russo-Ukraine War, while the Russians are still keeping up with supply.
they are in use because they cannot have anything better
Russia is going to end up like Cuba with a bunch of 50-year-old cars from countries that made quality vehicles
non of these countries will ever have good materials when they dont even have proper NDT test,
Tofu dreggs cars 😂😂😂
I'd take a Russian car over a free Chinese car
I don't want either one but I think Russian automotive companies don't wanna look like junk so they can sell more
Not sure you could build something worse than a Lada but China somehow managed it.
Russia most likely uses road salt to prevent ice and show buildup on roads. Cars without first rate corrosion protect rust away in just few years.
In summary china sold russia biodegradable cars. After 1 year, it would have rusted and blown off into the wind
When it is made in china .. You already knew but those chinese who are rich or have money they don't like made in china..i knew it because i saw it
BYD evs outselling Tesla by a wide margin in China.
If China can't make a decent automobile, what makes them think they can build a reliable rocket to go to the moon? 🚀
The Chinese can make quality products when they have to, you probably watching this on a Chinese made laptop or tablet that is extremely well made, the problem comes when quality is not enforced or supervised by a western company when left to there own devices they are only interested in selling the item after that it’s not their problem.
6:40 Those idiots highlight the problem. These Chinese brands don't comprehend the actual function their customers are looking for and don't comprehend that there are Russian car factories.
So they ship unsold stocks that sat in the car park for months on end to Russia, and hope Russian customers won't notice?
@thanakonpraepanich4284 a lot of these Chinese firms are renting western factories in Russia producing Chinese style cars. They think they can leverage to the tits and monopolize the market.
The logan is a romanian Dacia model, designed and manufactured in Romania initially
Dacia is owned by Groupe Renault.
Dacia was sold in RU under the Renault brand due to the fact that most of RU citizens did not have good view of Dacia brand, which was coming from the communism times. That's why all Dacia models were sold under Renault brand in RU (Logan, Sandero, Duster). Renault just decided it don't want to put more money to change the perception of Dacia brand, and chosen to use shortcut in the form of rebranding.
are you idiot? Dacia is just namt of Renault cheap vehicles
@@Crimerenegade But is it this still going on? While there are sanctions and everything?
@@benghazi4216 I don't know. I'm not from Russia. I just happen to know this little information about Dacia branding in RU
Chinese cars are designed to give you heart ailment or heart attack upon ownership 😂😂😂
"Russian Road" means a dirt path with huge holes.
Are we really surprised?
Chinesium cars...I couldn't imagine this going wrong
With the way Russians drive, plus the insurance fraud attempts similar to those found in China, I think it's the perfect pair😅
China's mentality is more on quantity and fast production. Quality is the least priority.
Your command of the English language is impressive.
if you're driving in russia or just attempting to move from A to B you have to be aware of what the russians mean when they say *"rasputitsa"*
Mud season. Sort of like Ukraine has.
@@YourHineyness Pretty much.
In some areas the "season" is half of the year until mud freezes in winter
I hear used Japanese cars are extremely popular in Russia.
I guess, it will continue and both are dependent on it.
china does not have mild temperature lol, its +40°C summer in the southern coast and -40°C winter in northern regions. That being said, China does make crap cars that only last until the day warranty ends. We can make cars that last forever, but the market demands cars to be disposable underwear
China can produce high quality... The point is that these cars are constructed to be extremely cheap - but they are sold at high prices in Ruzzia due to a lack of competition, and a ruble that lost almost 50% of its value - even when buying Chinese currency...
Hilarious!
Какая чушь, почти каждое твое слово. Высокая цена не по причине конкуренции, а ввиду высокого налога на ввоз автомобилей. Кроме того, рубль не потерял 50% стоимости, как ты утверждаешь. Откуда вы клоуны беретесь? Мои слова не сложно проверить, гугл в помощь. За день до войны - 23 февраля 2022 года курс доллара 80,4 а курс евро 90. Сегодня курс доллара 90,4 и евро 98,3. Если говорить о китайских машинах, то там разное качество от плохого до отличного, все зависит от цены автомобиля. Это как с мобильными телефонами, я смеюсь с тех кто сравнивает iphone15 с китайскими телефонами за 200-300 долларов. Однако когда начинаешь сравнивать с топовыми китайскими телефонами, то они оказываются не только дешевле, но и намного лучше по многим параметрам. Если бы ты разбирался хоть немного в автомобилях, то знал бы, что многие автозапчасти производятся несколькими концернами, автозапчасти взаимозаменяемы во многих автомобилях. А эти несколько концернов имеют львиную долю своих заводов на территории Китая.
How is it that most products are manufactured in China, yet Chinese native brands fall short?
Apple has always hated producing things in China, if you read the book from Apple’s design people. They said no matter how they sent the designs, the only way to ensure it was done right is by having someone there constantly keeping them on track. A lot of their engineering time is spent in China making sure things stay in quality. That is what some companies do, others gave up on it and they have China build the parts, and send the stuff to Vietnam, India, Philippines, Thailand, or their home country.
The Western companies have Western educated and trained staff, ie expat managers to follow the rules and stick to the specs.
@@Peter-un8no So you're saying China just doesn't care about quality standards? You may be right.
@@mucholangsDepends on what era we are talking about and what the purpose of the product is. Norinco has made a plethora of high quality products over the decades from SKS rifles to heavy machinery.
Chinese doing soviet strategy but for business instead for war
I guess Russians can always drive nivas and zhigulis if they would stop spending all that labour building tanks.
I saw a nice blue 2022 BYD atto 3 with less than 10000 km on the clock which was written off from a front accident collision, on a closer inspection all the nuts and bolts around the door jam was rusted and seized. It never snow here.
That’s very interesting… even to the point how most Chinese drive (very bad and slow), the cars in China aren’t put to the test of everyday life in Russian Winter, on German Autobahn or curvy country roads in Italy…
You can try Indian brands. They're not fancy, but are tough as nails. Mahindra Thar, Suzuki Gypsy and Scorpio might be one example, plus because of the growing demand, Indian carmakers might upgrade their cars to survive Russian weather.
Thx to Putin, nice to see what direction Russia is going
Ruzzians whining while transitioning to north korean living standards
Italy, ironically, encountered this in the 1970s, when it began importing Russian sheet metal for loan manufacture. The cl vehicles quickly rusted out and hurt brand confidence for over a decade.
Fiat!
Are you effing kidding me? Chery is CLEARLY a knock off off Chevy... they can't even come up with an original name ffs
Why Does CHERRY Give me TOYOTA Vibes 😂
If I were a Russian, I would start an after-market parts business for Chinese cars. Russian car mechanics are probably some of the best in the world, but you can't fix much without replacement parts. Geely exported motor scooters to Honolulu, and prices were about $899, but parts were basically unavailable. If anything breaks, you have a "restoration" project. I had a Piaggio, where replacement parts might take two months to get, but it was possible to fix my scooter after a car hit it.
How can you know russian mechanics?
@@antasosam8486 I do. Firsthand. It's true - there have never been parts or tools in Russia and yet they managed to keep stuff running.
I am Russian and I kinda have doubts.
I'd say you would have better fortune starting a grey import part business for non-Chinese cars.
Unlike German/US cars that have predictable model ranges and part supply chains, even non-original ones, Chinese car models come and go, and there is no clear if you end up with a part that fits many cars due to copying or obscure part that fits only one production run for one model.
Chinese cars are also not very popular here due to the fame of having a very short life on our horrible roads and bad climate. They may be our only option besides just-as-bad domestic ones and grey import but I still don't see them often - yet anyway.