I like the idea that seeing Luke's green lightsaber reminded Darth Vader of Qui-Gon and brought him back to when he was a child and met Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, when he still believed no one could kill a Jedi. he was able to connect with his child self briefly and see himself in Luke.
@@daniell5740 the movie also came out way before the Legends novel/comic - these are all post-movie theories. I also prefer the idea of it somehow being linked to Qui-Gon, as he was Anakin's first real father figure. It would be a nice to come full circle.
Vader hadn't seen a green lightsaber in a long, long time. I think its impossible for Vader not to make the connection between Qui-Gon and Luke in that moment: the two individuals that never, ever gave up on him.
To add to their meeting in Return of The Jedi Luke kept on saying "father" in an endearing way letting him know that he feels his conflict within himself. Its a very powerful weapon as a son to call on your father and you could see Darth Vader was immediately affected by it as all fathers are. Luke turned his back on him with no fear even after Vader ignited his light saber and then Vader turned his back on Luke also showing a measure of trust. A very powerful scene.
I also like that during that exchange, Vader says "It is...too late for me, son." There's a reservation and softness in his voice that isn't in any other line during the exchange in that scene. I've also liked how people think Luke defeated Vader in the throne room, but the actuality is....Luke lost the duel by stepping into the dark side. His victory is stepping to the precipice of the dark side, leaning over it, and then stepping back and turning way when he throws his lightsaber aside. I feel like the EU did a tremendous job with the concept of Luke's Jedi Order being different without the strict control of feelings. Luke never seemed to disconnect from his feelings and let his heart guide him through the trilogy, so it was a natural extension for his Jedi Order to evolve in a similar fashion. The EU then went a step further in revealing the original Jedi actually didn't close themselves off from their emotions and even drew on the dark side in combat for strength, but had to meditate and center themselves back into balance afterwards, never leaning fully light or dark. I always thought that fit the "warrior poet" romanticism of the samurai films that inspired Lucas' imagination for the Jedi. I was actually expecting this to be what Luke was supposed to find on Ach-To in the sequel trilogy and train Rey in this new philosophy to make her the first of a new Order he trained, but, well....newp.
@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery Exactly. The Jedi weren't about suppressing emotion: They were about *controlling* emotion, not letting their emotions in a given moment dictate their actions as that is what leads to the dark side and is what allows people to rationalize doing abhorrent things (case in point, Anakin rationalizing his betrayal of the Order because he believed it was the only way to save his wife). That's what I also loved about the EU New Jedi Order; Luke didn't forbid attachments. He was married to a fellow Jedi, others in the Order were married to Jedi and non-Jedi, Jedi were allowed to have families. But he taught them to stay in control of their emotions, to not let their attachments distract them from their duties and their responsibilities to the greater galaxy. Also, re: the throne room scene, I love the idea that Vader intercepted Luke's attempt to strike Sidious down not to protect Sidious, but to stop Luke from killing Sidious in anger and falling to the dark side as a result. To your point, Luke defeated Vader during that conversation after Luke turned himself in, but Luke also defeated Sidious (and saved himself) at the same time because by getting through Vader to what was left of Anakin, he prompted Vader to block that fatal swing of a lightsaber in order to save his son from making the same mistake he once did.
Luke's lightsaber to me is the best of them all. The mere fact he was able to construct it with very limited resources speaks volumes. Vader was indeed right when he told Luke his skills were complete.
I think it’s a recall to when in the clone wars show, the 15 min ones, Jedi knew how to replace the lightsabers they lost in battles with the materials around them.
Yeah fun fact Star Wars was always woke and awesome lol. George Lucas based the rebel alliance on the Vietcong communist party lol. And the empire as the United States lol. So if you like the rebels you are very progressive and are an awesome based intelligent leftist lol.
I remember an original ROTJ movie trailer when I was a kid that showed Vader and Luke together in the elevator, and Luke is all calm. I thought “WHAT!?!?”
This video makes a lot of sense it proves that Vader isn’t like Sidious whereas Sidious doesn’t really care about his apprentices but Vader always cared about Luke even as a dark side user(in my opinion)which I also think is why Vader wanted luke to turn to the dark side because he really did want to rule the galaxy with Luke as father and son instead of just the rule of two
Vader did start all his dark side actions from love.. and the fear to lose it. The selfish side of love really. Possessive, and controlling. When he fully turned, he stopped wanting to be with Padmé, but just wanted HER, deleting her personality, and imposing his own. The love of himself became stronger. And Luke made Vader realize, that was the wrong way to do it, and that he was, again just wanting to impose his own will onto Luke. The Emperor, only wanted power, and never cared for anyone at all. Ever.
@Jaeger19Ultima he always cared about Luke that’s why he wanted him to turn to the dark side at first but in the end decided instead that he could turn back to the light because of Luke
In this scene Vader realized Luke was different as a Jedi and as a man. Maybe he knew he was destined to lose his son. I think he understood unselfish love was the only way to save Luke, as opposed to the selfish way he tried to keep Padme and power. The brilliance of Darth Vader is that we can all see ourselves in him. imo
I think that the Jedi read the prophecy wrong I think ani brought balance by destroying the Jedi who had moved to far from the will of the force by cutting themselves off of love and attachment based off of fear that it would lead to the dark side. Plus they became political and war generals and then he destroyed the sith bringing balance
@@jimbowlan5804so we can assume that fear was already there in the way of thinking, Jedi can't love because we fear that love can bring fear at our knights so we won't face the new reality. We won't change our strict teachings and open for understanding so we forbid something. It reminds me of some education systems today irl.
This is so beautiful. I love this scene too so much. You feel Vader's feeling. His pride of Luke constructing his lighsabers,his sorrow,sadness,his love for Luke. It really hurt him when Luke said he's truly dead. He stayed behind and thought. That'a why we love Star Wars so much. We see their souls,their feelings,their thoughts. Anakin never meant to be bad,he just made terrible decisions. Luke is culmination of Anakin's power,in the light. Thanks again so much for this. May the Force be with you too :)
It wasn't Vader that saved Luke, it was Anakin. An Anakin that had finally learned the error of his ways and most importantly, learned about how much he cared about and loved his son. The mentality of Vader may have dominated his life for over 20 years but Anakin was still in there somewhere with his big heart that cared very deeply about others. especially his family.
And that's actually the reason Episode 6 was rightfully titled Return Of The Jedi. Initially it sounds like Luke returns as a Jedi master. But no. It was almost comparable to George Lucas throwing the fans a curve ball. Every initially seeing the movie the title refers to Luke. But it doesn't. It was the return of Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker. Brilliant.
@@zacherybutter7349 - I really can't say. But knowing George Lucas, he'd likely agree. But yes, Anakin the Jedi Master returned bringing the balance that the Force desperately needed.
@@stanleybroniszewsky8538 Considering how well made those first movies are, I would honestly take this conclusion over any other, thematically speaking. It's just good storytelling.
This is my favorite moment too, but you didn't even touch on the best part, when Luke says that he can feel the conflict inside Vader and he just says dejectedly while looking at his son's brand new shiny saber "It's too late for me". Any other villain would have blustered or sneered, but Vader didn't even disagree, he just replied that with the choices he's made in his life, the road he's gone down, internal conflict is irrelevant, all that matters is the Emperor's power. It makes the moment in the final battle when he goes "No, you know what? I'm sick of this shit, I *do* have a choice, I always have in fact!" that much more powerful. He's not just throwing the Emperor down that shaft, he's throwing 20 odd years of regret and sadness down there as well.
Palpatine seduced and warped anakins mind he created the nightmares of padmes death and orchestrated the death of shimi with the sandpeople , finally vader realises all this and does what is right saves his son kills Palpatine
@@concept5631 You're not wrong, but that's what makes Vader so tragic. He's ALWAYS had the choice to do that to Palpatine, he was just so full of self hatred and self doubt instilled in him he didn't believe it, *couldn't* believe it until he saw Luke stand up to him. Vader always could have been a hero this whole time, and all the shit that happened because he just didn't see that makes it that much more terrible.
This is why Star Wars is soo great. These stories have infinite layers and backstories.. You can find new deeper meanings in stories everytime you think about them its fun to consider
Vader was surprised Luke built a lightsaber. Surprised not because Vader thought Luke couldn’t create a lightsaber; but that a lightsaber was built. The Emperor and Vader spent decades erasing Jedi from existence. A lightsaber takes unique skill and connection with the Force to construct; skill and connection Vader thought only the Sith retained.
Been watching your vids for yrs, and I just wanted to say this was a great one. The way you broke down Vader killing Sidious to save his son was just spot on. Thanks as always!
"You're coming with me. I'll not leave you here, I've got to save you!" "You already have, Luke. You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister... you were right." It's amazing how great this scene was back when it originally came out, and how much better it is now thanks to the extended universe.
That vision you described of Vader and Luke being engulfed in flame puts Vader's warning to Luke on Endor into perspective. "You don't know the power of the dark side."
The best thing about this is that anakin (and leia) had way more potential in the forced than luke. But it’s Luke’s unwavering heart and soul that made him the strongest Jedi to ever live.
@@Beyondlimits_400 potential is meaningless, it’s what y do with it that counts and anakin strived for power and was a warrior and Luke is what the comment just said, luke still the best jedi
Well, this definiely gives more insight into why Vader did what he did in Episode VI. So many decisions to make with the most crucial being whether to save his son from Sidious or not, whether to turn him or not, whether he'll survive or not; there was a lot going through his head and I see that now.
If you think about it, the lightsabers of both father and son had both Jedi and Sith influences. Vader’s Sith saber powered by a Adegan crystal favored by the Jedi while Luke’s Jedi saber powered by a synthetic crystal favored by the Sith.
@@Goremejy Wasn't the kyber crystal bleeding a thing from before Disney? The jedi no longer acting according to the will of the force but making the force serve them, and by proxy, forcing their will on the crystal inside their lightsaber causing them to change color? For some reason I remembered that disney just made every sith use a synthetic crystal or something akin to that.
@@TheBadDesperado you have it completely backwards. The old lore was that Jedi used natural crystals that they found, there were many different types. Because the Jedi pretty much had all the locations where the crystals could be found, it made it much harder for a sith to gain a crystal. To counter this they came up with a method to create synthetic crystals that they typically embued with the dark side while forging them. This resulted in a blade that was actually stronger than Jedi sabers and could on rare occasions overpower a Jedis blade. But the crystal was much more unstable and thus more dangerous to use. Originally after Luke lost his first lightsaber he went back to Obi wan’s hut, he used materials there to make his new saber and to make a new green synthetic crystal somehow.
In legends, yes. The Mouse could fix this. (In Legends, Synthetic crystals could overload natural crystals and shut off the opponent's saber, or even destroy the crystal entirely).
Dude, I have been watching your videos here literally for years. What you just presented just might be the best take you've ever had. WOW! keep doing what you're doing bro! Mad respect. 👍😎
I suspect that Qui Gon Jinn reached out to Vader at some point after the events of The Empire Strikes Back - at the peak of his power, leading him on the path to redemption. If you look at everything Vader did in Return of the Jedi, it's almost as if he feigned being Darth Vader and everything he said just made Luke more determined to resist the emperor. It's like he knew the Emperor would lower his guard while trying to kill Luke and not see him as a threat - until taking him out with just one arm lol - it does make one wonder if it was planned,
Cool stuff. I always knew it was Anakin’s love for Luke that overcame the dark side in him, but the background of why that was so powerful, I didn’t know the details of. Makes sense.
Love, attachments and compassion are the fuel to the greatest Jedis that there have ever been. Love and compassion for others are the dark sides weakness. Vader/Anakin is a great character to show everything you loss is base on selfishness and being selfless by letting your self go for your own son to shine a brighter light than your own. "Pass on what you have learned" -Yoda great quote for the series of star wars.
Darth Vader: "it seems you have constructed a new lightsaber." -turns on Green lightsaber Darth Vader: "indeed, you are powerful as the Emperor had foreseen."
Just have to say that was beautifully said man. Been a Star Wars fan since I was little, thanks to my dad. I was actually at a drive in, sleeping in a car seat while my parents and 2 older brothers watched it at the original release. I was at the same drive in for Empire as well, but I only remember seeing Return of the Jedi since I was born in 76. Thank you for the trips down memory lane, Star Wars was something special I shared with my sci Fi buff dad.
Another thing to add is that Sidious could always sense when Vader was going to betray him since he could sense how his hate would act. However Vader killed Sidious out of love. An emotion Sidious could not sense coming. Because of this Vader's vision was truer then ever had he killed Sidious with the dark side. Sidious would've defeated them both. Meaning the selfless act was actually necessary for Sidious defeat.
I'm glad I got this part of the story, I like it a lot. Especially the part about Vader examining Luke's LS. That fits so well bc he really does pay it more attention than I would usually expect. Gr8 vid!
I find the vision bit sort of lame. But I find myself more and more appreciating the implications of Luke's green lightsaber. Luke was fascinated by the mysteries of the force, he never strived to be a front line war hero even though he was willing to do so when he had to. He wanted to convert his father, and generally negotiate with his opponents. In legends Luke literally had to rebuild the Jedi order from scratch, and founded his own temple. He would have spent a ton of time meditating on the secrets of the force, studying all he could about the old order and do all of this basically by himself. It makes more and more sense that Luke was a learned, enlightened master of the force. More like Qui Gon letting the force guide him at all times, even sometimes to go against the strict Jedi order itself.
That is why I consider EU Luke to be the real Luke Skywalker not the hermit because it makes send that Luke learned about what caused the Jedi’s downfall, he learned about the archives from the old republic and he also mastered the light and the dark side of the force he also do d succeed at building a new and improved Jedi order while the hermit made the same order that obi wan , Qui Gon and Yoda warned him not to create , he had few students while Luke had hundreds of thousands that succeeded and became Jedi masters while he himself became a grandmaster.
Saving Luke was an act of selfless love prompted by an act of selfless love by Luke, who showed Vader love, understanding and compassion despite Vader's deeds.
Grandmaster Wave, just wanted to say that I've been watching your videos for years now and the quality has only gotten better since the time I joined. Excellent breakdown, I always feel the passion you have for Star Wars. It's never out of detest, it feels like it comes from the place that brought us all to Star Wars, fascination. May the force be with you always.
With the way you present it, you're pretty much talking about how individuals come full circle. At the very beginning, coming up through the ranks, rising to the top, hitting a life-altering trigger point, hitting rock bottom, and finally finding your way back what you knew in the beginning.
@@majesticmsfc Yeah, the Qui-gon crystal makes *no* sense. Why would Luke have a connection to Qui-gon? Wouldn't it make more sense to have him recover Obi-wan's crystal because he actually had a connection to Obi-wan? I don't get why people like this Qui-gon crystal nonsense so much because it makes absolutely *zero* sense.
@@LeCharles07 I believe its widely regarded that Obi Wan was in possession of Qui-Gon's saber after Ep 1, and would have had it in his hut where Luke would disassemble and reassemble for practice. Then eventually keep the green crystal.
It was one of my all time favorite movie moments when Darth Vader with one arm sacrifice himself to kill the strongest Sith to have ever lived. There were multiple things to love about it, father protecting his Son etc. But for me it showed at the end it doesn’t matter how strong you are it’s how much will power and sacrifice you are willing to make to protect the ones you love.
The best villains are never solely evil. Love or fear usually drives them into darkness. In the case of Ani... it was both. This story only makes Vader a stronger character. It always broke my heart when he died. Even as a very young child, I seemed to see something more in him. That speaks to the depth of the acting and the concept itself. That it informed the expansion of his lore so much is just another testament to the genius of the work. George knew what he was doing when he made a father the villain.
My take - Luke's green Kyberr crystal was more than likely from Qui-Gon's lightsaber, and Vader/Anakin's prescience in the Force made a connection with it, and therefore started our fellow's return to the Light Side with Luke's help.
I believe in legends it was somewhat confirmed that Luke's green crystal is synthetic (like Mauls originally was) but it was also debated that it could have been qui gons as Obi Wan was rumored to have taken three lightsabers into exile, his, Anakins, and Qui Gons. In Canon, that's not been confirmed. In the Kenobi show you see Obi Wan buried both his and Anakins (in the sand no less), but there was a toy action figure of Kenobi on Tattooine where he had both sabers on his hip, and Qui Gons hilt was fastened to a back pack the action figure wore, which has given some credit to this theory being true as Obi Wan left specific instructions (and I believe some hard to find parts) in a box/journal he left for Luke (though idk how legit this toy/action figure is, I want to say it was Black series but it could have been a well made fan piece) I agree that Luke's green lightsaber is likely powered by Qui Gons crystal, and I think it's been subtly confirmed that Obi Wan left the saber in the box (or at least a somewhat deconstructed version of it) Fun Fact: the blanket Yoda burritos himself in before he dies in RotJ is actually Qui Gon Jinns recovered Jedi Cloak from Naboo from when he was killed by Maul
Why? Star wars doesn't need another McGuffin. Why can't Vader's change just be a result of one of the most fundamental of behaviors in nature, protecting his offspring? Luke never even knew about Qui-Gon, why should he have a connection with Qui-Gon's crystal? It was one thing when Obi-wan gave Luke his fathers lightsaber but he literally picked it up off the ground after de-limbing Anakin. We don't see any of this McGuffin shit until the sequels because it's bad writing designed for fan service instead of a good story. It strained suspended belief when Rey found Anakin's lightsaber halfway across the galaxy from Bespin because it was just lazy writing. Give me a _reason_ why.
In legends Khyber crystals weren't the only stones used. Any crystal with the right power and qualities would work. He'll lowbacca Chewbacca nephew was a Jedi and used old computer crystals and parts from tech equipment from yavin 4 base. Jacen solo found a Corsica gem he wanted to give his mom but he used it in a lightsaber. The blade was white with radiating colors of the rainbow because the gem was like a pure white diamond with flashing colors. Each blade was unique but the most common were blue or green. And Sith didn't bleed crystals they created them through Sith alchemy. It was part of their tests to prove their power. They were made by the user who poured all their hate and power into the crystal. And Luke's green blade was made same way in legends. He made it while living at obi wans old place on tattoine. It's a synthetic crystal he poured his power into. I never heard or saw any mention of khybur crystals in any legends novels or comics I have seen.
This totally makes sense to me. Vader I would argue was the more focused version of Anakin. He was more mature and learned from his mistakes, both in combat and in life in general. It made him a great Sith Lord and also opened the door for him to be a Jedi once more.
@@BoxBoy_99 because Vader thought he had lost everything he cared about: his family, friends, mentors and the Order. He blamed the Jedi and himself for what happened. Interesting enough Luke would show him the way out. Vader needed forgiveness and a new path and his son gave him both.
I think Vader is put in the same situation as when he was Anakin. The emperor was laying on the ground pleading with Anakin to help him and Anakin turned on his master. The next time, his son Luke is on the ground pleading with Vader (his father) to help him, and Anakin turns on his master. Anakin's reoccuring purpose has been to save the one he loves. It started with his mother and he failed (turned a little to the dark side) and again when he couldn't save Padme (turned a lot to the dark side). This time, he wanted to save his son, and this time, he did.
This is a great scene. But my all time favorite scene in the Star Wars saga is Luke's triumphant declaration "you have failed your highness. I will never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Vader became Anakin again in that moment. He saw that someone could stand up the the Emperor, and more importantly that it was his Son. He felt love and pride more than pain. He was a father. Luke's pleas and cries of pain sealed it all. No one, not even his Master, was going to harm his Son. Love conquered the Sith.
Another great thing about this is an Emperor would generally be referred to as your Majesty, Luke is blatantly disrespecting Palpatine by referring to him as lower than he is.
I thought he was dissapointed cause he noticed the new lighrsaber was built from Obi Wan Kenobi's spare lightsaber parts. Looks like the lightsaber that amputated his leftover limbs too.
A bit late, but after rewatching Clone Wars, I wanna know Anakin's thoughts once Sidious revealed himself and executed Order 66. The knowledge that everything that had happened to draw suspicion towards the Chancellor was correct, especially with the fact that Fives told him this and up until Ep 3, he didn't believe it, but then to have everything shatter before his eyes, I'd love to see his internal monologue of that
It means so much to me personally that ...originally, "Vader" always was shown "this is the worst you will cause, the worst you can do." All of his visions, at least in the movies (even more in the novels) are showing him the worst case scenarios, but often OF HIS OWN ACTIONS. The only one that I recall that was otherwise was his mother in the hands of the raiders, but the tragedy there wasn't her horrible treatment and demise but the consequence that he chose. These visions were born of his fears, showing him the consequences of his actions, and he misinterpreted that MASSIVELY (YODA! DUDE! "much fear in you" THEN HELP THE BROTHER OUT!) For some reason, the Force was showing him "DUDE. DON'T DO THIS or X" but because of the tragic Jedi "sequence of events," where they've become so devoted to their "cause" they've become entirely divorced FROM the Light Side.... that.... this.... I'm ellipses-ing because .... .....I'm..... drunk? *Shakes her head clear* But truly.... despite what we all think as a whole regarding the "prequels," Lucas' vision of the Vader tragedy and the Skywalker legacy is pretty damn sincere. If you're a philosophy student (first of all.... I'm so sorry) you see these progressions throughout the whole of Star Wars where the human story persists.... and oddly where it doesn't heh we all seem to innately hate it.... ...but the point is "overcoming self" is the hardest thing you can ever do. Spiritually. The entire universe will seduce you into believing that the ends entirely justify the means, because the end goal is survival right? The Dark and the Light are both omnipresent, and they are NATURAL, very real. The more you turn towards the Light the brighter everything else seems, the more you look behind the greater the Shadow.... ...but the more YOU look at the Light of what you think is good, the more likely you are to be blinded against your own sins' actions and fail to see the harm you may be doing.... ...while the Shadow is always like "Nope, that was the goal in the first place, nothing wrong here." That's the point, if you're on the side of the "Shadow" it's never wrong. On the Light? The Light is asking you to do a LOT, to think of consequences, balance, hope.... The Jedi as a religion removed themselves morally from the universe and the Force because they felt it made them more efficient, thus effective... because they "missed the point." The Light is patient, and ever-loving. Not a "love" that requests something, but a love that is sure and steadfast. The *ENTIRETY* of Star Wars to me is summed simply in Luke's willingness to die for believing his father was once good. It wasn't a gamble he hoped would pay off (it was, of course it was....but he KNEW he would die for playing it) it was a sincere hope in what he believed was good, what he believed was Light. Obi-wan had seen so much he'd forgotten, and it took this ignorant child of a Jedi to place EVERYTHING in the hand of hope because he loved his father.... ....not to save the universe or destroy the Sith. But simply to do what was right, a principle the Jedi had forgotten in their rules. And thus "accidentally" to the outside observer, the "Prophecy" of the Chosen One was fulfilled. By simply reminding everything what love really was and meant.
Wow. That was beautiful. I dare say that was also sexy. >_< Sorry, I like girls who are good with words.... and use ellipses.... O_O What do you mean by "the Jedi were so focused on their duty that they lost sight of the light?" Their duty being protection of the Republic? Or to their seeming obsession with removing themselves from conflicts of interest like love and personal affection? Anyway, keep up the good work... and stay focused on the Light... **force cloaks into the Shadow and vanishes**
Only in that moment Vader and Anakin decided to join forces to save the only important thing for both of them that they have in common, at least that's how i like to think it
Just remember, Luke dies force thinking too hard and Palpatine’s descendant kill his nephew, takes his light sabre, name and legacy as her own. In short, Palpatine destroyed skywalker completely. Hurray for Disney!
This is Palpatine messing with him. We know from the comics that Vader discovered Luke's identity before Palpatine did, and was looking to recruit him and overthrow the Emperor long before Empire Strikes Back. The truth is, he had to recruit and train Luke completely in-secret before Palpatine found out about him, because he knew that once Palpatine was aware of Luke, one way or another, his days were numbered. Either he would use Luke to replace him, or that he would order him to kill Luke. In Episode 5, when Palpatine confirms what he suspects about Luke, Vader low-key panics. And I think Palpatine always knew that - based on the rule of two - Vader would want to overthrow him. But lets not forget, Anakin's Force Visions of Padme were no accident; they were a trick set by Palpatine to further Anakin's fall to the darkside. He sent those visions to make him worry and to further isolate him from the Council and therefore have no one else to turn to. So therefore, I can't help but feel like a Vision of the Future, where Luke and Vader _win_ against Palpatine, that only ends with Palpatine's ghost destroying them _both?_ - Yeah, that's pretty sus to me.
Awesome video, nice explanation and it really fits in well and makes ROTJ make even more sense. Love your videos mate, the fact you do so much Legends is great.
I think this also shows that Vader was not a Sith, but merely a Dark Jedi who used a Sith title. True Sith, like Palpatine, are incapable of love and would never sacrifice themselves. Vader did both, which means that even at his darkest moments, he was still more Jedi than Sith whether he wanted to be or not.
Sith are capable of love. I believe that love is why Palpatine could heal himself with the Dark Side and live for as long as he did. Vader couldn't. Who did Palpatine love? Himself. Think back to the prequels. Who is the happiest person throughout Episodes 1-3. Palpatine. He's almost gleeful at times. Contrast that with Vader who hated himself. That's why Vader couldn't do the self healing magic that Palpy could.
George Lucas has stated that Star Wars is about the tragedy and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. The Return of the Jedi is an excellent culmination of this story.
Good explanations, considering the original reason they made his lightsaber green, was so it would show up better against the background of the blue sky in the opening rescue of Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt. (did a paper on Star Wars for my color theory class)
There are whisperes that Luke’s green blade is from Qui-Gon’s kyber Crystal, so my thought is on top of this vision, Anakin hears Qui-Gon’s voice again once the emerald blade jumps from Luke’s handle, and that’s what first called to him, deep in the shell of Vader
Perhaps when Vader noticed Luke's green lightsaber, it reminded him of Qui-Gon. Considering that Qui-Gon was like a father to Anakin, and that the only thing left of Padme(which is Luke) was wielding it as a Jedi, just boosted Anakin's return to the light side.
Luke was something new. He really had taken Yoda's description to heart. "...life creates it, makes it grow." Luke served the Force and the life and beings within it -- not the Republic, not a Sith lord. I think Vader was stunned by the difference between the jedi he knew, and his son's caring and compassion. You can bet that if a jedi came to Luke about losing someone he loved, Luke would not have blown him off by telling the jedi to "Rejoice." Yoda was seriously out of touch by the end. So was Sidious. Everyone kept telling Luke that his emotions would bring him down. Instead it saved Anakin, helped destroy the Emperor, and freed the galaxy. A green lightsaber is a beautiful, brilliant reminder of the life that creates the Force. Very appropriate for Luke.
........Until he tried to use it against his nephew due to the mere fear that he might turn, went into exile, tossed aside any relic, weapon or sign of the Jedi presented to him and drowned his sorrows in green cowfish milk........
It's truly sad to see that happen to him.......I mean.......What could've happened to drown out the hopeful side and nature he had? What destroyed that innate ability to see the best in people, even at their absolute worst, and that drive to bring them back out of their darkest state and into the light? What made Luke change into someone who would strike at someone if there was even a chance that they were a threat, almost like the Sith he, and his father, were meant to destroy?
@@19TheFallenDisney trash isn't canon. Mark Hamill himself said that the Luke portrayed in the " Sequels " was a stupid idea, he wasn't happy at all. It's not canon.
@@squirrel4788 I agree that they're stupid, and I don't truly accept it as canon. It's why I question them so severely, like I did above. You don't take a story and the characters in it that were created by someone else, flip them on their heads and get off question or scorn free.....I really, and truly was left thinking "That's not Luke......" when I saw him in _The Last Jedi._ The same way I thought "That's not Leia....." when I saw her in it......They took two characters and made them the opposite of what they were. Two characters full of hope in the face of adversity and turned them into hopeless grumps....And they have the gall to wonder why people think "Well, this sucks!"
I don't consider anything in the sequels as "canon." George Lucas took the stories we had been telling around campfires for half a million years, and put them in a new setting. That's why they touch the heart. Disney had great actors, wonderful settings, and then went the company route. If they killed off the "older" characters, Disney would own Star Wars' new characters, Characters they could market endlessly. They never had any idea of why we're still talking about the OT almost 50 years later. Disney only saw dollar signs, that's why they failed.
This is very beautifully put and profound. The relationship of a child and parent is infinitely complex but also in essence very simple at its core. The love one feels for a person is the best of you and also vulnerable to you as you are with your child. Watching them grow and having a direct hand in guiding there path but also knowing you don't have as much control over another as you think. Loving someone no matter what and knowing that love is unbreakable and you will do anything to keep them safe from any danger. Learning that self-sacrifice is the way of true love and the only reason we all are here. And the ultimate knowledge that just as we need an earthly father we also need a heavenly spiritual Father to guide us.
You know after watching Star Wars for 46 years, I can't help but think that if I was a Jedi or a Sith, I would simply use the force to switch off my opponents Lightsaber as I deliver the killing stroke.
Vader is the ultimate Sith imo. "Through power, I gain victory." If nothing else can be said about Vader, dude wins above all else. Even if victory meant his death, as well
Vader was a powerful sith but had many flaws. He was more of a slave to the dark side. His feelings for his son and padme held him back. Plus he never took a apprentice and killed his master, thus taking over as the sith emperor. He never really seemed to study the darkside of the force and expand his knowledge.
I feel like Vader WOULD'VE been the ultimate Sith but the fact that he was a Jedi for many years held him back imo. Not to mention, he was still attached to Padme and what could've been instead of purely being consumed with power. Yes Vader wanted power, but it came at a great price, he lost his wife and pretty much most of his body. Once Vader had the power of the Dark Side under his control, he spent most of his time using the Dark Side as a way to bring back the dead to life, mainly Padme. He did whatever Sidious asked of him, but I think he mainly was obsessed with the promise Sidious made to him in Revenge of the Sith. Sidious was obsessed purely with power. He didn't care for anyone or anything. He craved only power, and he understood that having connections on an emotional level would limit him from doing what he did in the galaxy. I mean we even see in Legends that Palps killed his family in cold blood and never ever seems to regret that decision. Vader always regretted what he did. That was the main thing that stopped Vader from truly being an ultimate Lord of the Sith. He couldn't ever truly let go of his past. That's always been what held Vader/Anakin back.
I'm sure most of us know the real reason his lightsaber was green. Lucas said that in the outside Jabba the hutt scenes at the Sarlacc pit, he had to change the lightsaber color to something other than blue because it would be harder to see with the blue sky background
Here is the theory...Palpatine paid to have Shmi killed and placed the visions in Anakin's head.....he placed the vision of Padme dieing in his head and knew if Anakin turned to the dark side it would kill Padme. So the vision of luke was also more than likely put into Vader's head by the Emporer to control Vader and keep him loyal. Knowing it would play into Vader's fear of Luke Dieing.
possibly, there was actually a sidious clone in legends too, who was apparently a beast because he'd transferred his knowledge except now he wasn't a decrepit 80 something year old man. Luke was devoted to learning all that time rather than galactic conquest, so he was a lot stronger than he may have been otherwise. Movie vader and luke would have been wrecked by clone sidious. Then again long drawn out plots implanting hallucinations is something he'd totally do too.
Nice video, but here is the real reason his light saber is green. After filming, when they went to color it in post, it was going to be blue, but when they were on Jabba's ship, they couldn't distinguish between the blue of the saber and the sky, so the easiest fix was to make it appear green.
Are they as junk as I have heard? Reports that I have read say that the lightsabers crap out in maybe three months time, and Disney will not repair or replace them.
In addition to containing Qui-Gons crystal, it’s worth mentioning that Luke followed Jedi tradition by modeling the hilt after that of his first master Obi-Wan (something Anakin broke with).
I like in the deleted scenes when Luke is building his lightsaber on Tatooine, the controller alternates between red (Sith) and green (Jedi) lights, and he chooses green.
I’m glad Vader came back, however, I always have issue with him being referred to as Sidious’s slave. He was never a slave. He chose this path, even if he could never find a way from under Palp’s thumb, he found himself there of his own accord.
I wish the deleted scene of Luke constructing it was in film best I got was in the brilliant and underappreciated book shadows of the empire by Steve Perry
I like the idea that seeing Luke's green lightsaber reminded Darth Vader of Qui-Gon and brought him back to when he was a child and met Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, when he still believed no one could kill a Jedi. he was able to connect with his child self briefly and see himself in Luke.
It probably reminded him of Ahsoka too
Agreed said it myself
and maybe hears a quick Qui-Gon in back ground.
That’s a Shitty idea lmao this movie came way before the prequels
@@daniell5740 the movie also came out way before the Legends novel/comic - these are all post-movie theories. I also prefer the idea of it somehow being linked to Qui-Gon, as he was Anakin's first real father figure. It would be a nice to come full circle.
Vader hadn't seen a green lightsaber in a long, long time. I think its impossible for Vader not to make the connection between Qui-Gon and Luke in that moment: the two individuals that never, ever gave up on him.
3 individuals. You forgot Padme.
@@tigerlord9302 true
Ahsoka also had green sabers at one point.
@@Techno-The-Blade Pls don't mention that woke sith
Yeah, Dont Mention Darth Jar Jar@@fu6817
To add to their meeting in Return of The Jedi Luke kept on saying "father" in an endearing way letting him know that he feels his conflict within himself. Its a very powerful weapon as a son to call on your father and you could see Darth Vader was immediately affected by it as all fathers are. Luke turned his back on him with no fear even after Vader ignited his light saber and then Vader turned his back on Luke also showing a measure of trust. A very powerful scene.
I also like that during that exchange, Vader says "It is...too late for me, son."
There's a reservation and softness in his voice that isn't in any other line during the exchange in that scene.
I've also liked how people think Luke defeated Vader in the throne room, but the actuality is....Luke lost the duel by stepping into the dark side. His victory is stepping to the precipice of the dark side, leaning over it, and then stepping back and turning way when he throws his lightsaber aside.
I feel like the EU did a tremendous job with the concept of Luke's Jedi Order being different without the strict control of feelings. Luke never seemed to disconnect from his feelings and let his heart guide him through the trilogy, so it was a natural extension for his Jedi Order to evolve in a similar fashion. The EU then went a step further in revealing the original Jedi actually didn't close themselves off from their emotions and even drew on the dark side in combat for strength, but had to meditate and center themselves back into balance afterwards, never leaning fully light or dark. I always thought that fit the "warrior poet" romanticism of the samurai films that inspired Lucas' imagination for the Jedi.
I was actually expecting this to be what Luke was supposed to find on Ach-To in the sequel trilogy and train Rey in this new philosophy to make her the first of a new Order he trained, but, well....newp.
@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery Exactly. The Jedi weren't about suppressing emotion: They were about *controlling* emotion, not letting their emotions in a given moment dictate their actions as that is what leads to the dark side and is what allows people to rationalize doing abhorrent things (case in point, Anakin rationalizing his betrayal of the Order because he believed it was the only way to save his wife). That's what I also loved about the EU New Jedi Order; Luke didn't forbid attachments. He was married to a fellow Jedi, others in the Order were married to Jedi and non-Jedi, Jedi were allowed to have families. But he taught them to stay in control of their emotions, to not let their attachments distract them from their duties and their responsibilities to the greater galaxy.
Also, re: the throne room scene, I love the idea that Vader intercepted Luke's attempt to strike Sidious down not to protect Sidious, but to stop Luke from killing Sidious in anger and falling to the dark side as a result. To your point, Luke defeated Vader during that conversation after Luke turned himself in, but Luke also defeated Sidious (and saved himself) at the same time because by getting through Vader to what was left of Anakin, he prompted Vader to block that fatal swing of a lightsaber in order to save his son from making the same mistake he once did.
Luke's lightsaber to me is the best of them all. The mere fact he was able to construct it with very limited resources speaks volumes. Vader was indeed right when he told Luke his skills were complete.
My personal favourite is Obi-Wan's Master saber, which greatly inspired Luke's.
I think it’s a recall to when in the clone wars show, the 15 min ones, Jedi knew how to replace the lightsabers they lost in battles with the materials around them.
Yeah fun fact Star Wars was always woke and awesome lol. George Lucas based the rebel alliance on the Vietcong communist party lol. And the empire as the United States lol. So if you like the rebels you are very progressive and are an awesome based intelligent leftist lol.
@@Golems_victory what lmao lol
Me thinks had Yoda not had the necessary materials on Dagobah Luke would have been sol.
Loved this scene. Even with the mask, you could tell how impressed he was with his son.
#ProudPapa 🤣
Even when Luke told him that his father is truly dead, you can see in Vader how much it hurt him.
@@ronaldnelson6692 you can’t see his face, so no.
@@havok2111 Body language.
I remember an original ROTJ movie trailer when I was a kid that showed Vader and Luke together in the elevator, and Luke is all calm. I thought “WHAT!?!?”
This video makes a lot of sense it proves that Vader isn’t like Sidious whereas Sidious doesn’t really care about his apprentices but Vader always cared about Luke even as a dark side user(in my opinion)which I also think is why Vader wanted luke to turn to the dark side because he really did want to rule the galaxy with Luke as father and son instead of just the rule of two
And turning Luke to the DS was Vader's twisted way of saving him.
@@TheGoodLuc yes
Vader did start all his dark side actions from love.. and the fear to lose it.
The selfish side of love really. Possessive, and controlling.
When he fully turned, he stopped wanting to be with Padmé, but just wanted HER, deleting her personality, and imposing his own.
The love of himself became stronger. And Luke made Vader realize, that was the wrong way to do it, and that he was, again just wanting to impose his own will onto Luke.
The Emperor, only wanted power, and never cared for anyone at all. Ever.
@Jaeger19Ultima he always cared about Luke that’s why he wanted him to turn to the dark side at first but in the end decided instead that he could turn back to the light because of Luke
In this scene Vader realized Luke was different as a Jedi and as a man. Maybe he knew he was destined to lose his son. I think he understood unselfish love was the only way to save Luke, as opposed to the selfish way he tried to keep Padme and power. The brilliance of Darth Vader is that we can all see ourselves in him. imo
I think that the Jedi read the prophecy wrong I think ani brought balance by destroying the Jedi who had moved to far from the will of the force by cutting themselves off of love and attachment based off of fear that it would lead to the dark side. Plus they became political and war generals and then he destroyed the sith bringing balance
@@jimbowlan5804 Never heard it like that but you just blew my mind! I always thought the Jedi were too strict on love.
@@jimbowlan5804so we can assume that fear was already there in the way of thinking, Jedi can't love because we fear that love can bring fear at our knights so we won't face the new reality. We won't change our strict teachings and open for understanding so we forbid something. It reminds me of some education systems today irl.
@@jimbowlan5804 Jesus said my kingdom is no part of this world. They got involved with the things of the world and lost sight of the things unseen
Don’t tell your school that
This is so beautiful. I love this scene too so much. You feel Vader's feeling. His pride of Luke constructing his lighsabers,his sorrow,sadness,his love for Luke. It really hurt him when Luke said he's truly dead. He stayed behind and thought. That'a why we love Star Wars so much. We see their souls,their feelings,their thoughts. Anakin never meant to be bad,he just made terrible decisions. Luke is culmination of Anakin's power,in the light. Thanks again so much for this. May the Force be with you too :)
It wasn't Vader that saved Luke, it was Anakin. An Anakin that had finally learned the error of his ways and most importantly, learned about how much he cared about and loved his son. The mentality of Vader may have dominated his life for over 20 years but Anakin was still in there somewhere with his big heart that cared very deeply about others. especially his family.
And that's actually the reason Episode 6 was rightfully titled Return Of The Jedi. Initially it sounds like Luke returns as a Jedi master. But no. It was almost comparable to George Lucas throwing the fans a curve ball. Every initially seeing the movie the title refers to Luke. But it doesn't. It was the return of Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker. Brilliant.
@@stanleybroniszewsky8538 I like this interpretation! Does Lucas ever say this in a interview?
@@zacherybutter7349 - I really can't say. But knowing George Lucas, he'd likely agree. But yes, Anakin the Jedi Master returned bringing the balance that the Force desperately needed.
@@stanleybroniszewsky8538 Considering how well made those first movies are, I would honestly take this conclusion over any other, thematically speaking. It's just good storytelling.
@@stanleybroniszewsky8538in the German translation it's return of the (plural) Jedi, so it could be both of them... or the Jedi Order
This is my favorite moment too, but you didn't even touch on the best part, when Luke says that he can feel the conflict inside Vader and he just says dejectedly while looking at his son's brand new shiny saber "It's too late for me". Any other villain would have blustered or sneered, but Vader didn't even disagree, he just replied that with the choices he's made in his life, the road he's gone down, internal conflict is irrelevant, all that matters is the Emperor's power. It makes the moment in the final battle when he goes "No, you know what? I'm sick of this shit, I *do* have a choice, I always have in fact!" that much more powerful. He's not just throwing the Emperor down that shaft, he's throwing 20 odd years of regret and sadness down there as well.
Darn shame he didn't reach that conclusion _before_ they blew up the planet full of innocent people.
@@stevenschnepp576 Darn shame he didn't reach that conclusion before he killed twenty children either.
Palpatine seduced and warped anakins mind he created the nightmares of padmes death and orchestrated the death of shimi with the sandpeople , finally vader realises all this and does what is right saves his son kills Palpatine
@@concept5631 You're not wrong, but that's what makes Vader so tragic. He's ALWAYS had the choice to do that to Palpatine, he was just so full of self hatred and self doubt instilled in him he didn't believe it, *couldn't* believe it until he saw Luke stand up to him. Vader always could have been a hero this whole time, and all the shit that happened because he just didn't see that makes it that much more terrible.
So..just hearing all this and watching Obi-Wan. The scene when Vader says "it's too late for me, son" officially makes me tear up
This is why Star Wars is soo great. These stories have infinite layers and backstories..
You can find new deeper meanings in stories everytime you think about them
its fun to consider
Vader was surprised Luke built a lightsaber.
Surprised not because Vader thought Luke couldn’t create a lightsaber; but that a lightsaber was built.
The Emperor and Vader spent decades erasing Jedi from existence. A lightsaber takes unique skill and connection with the Force to construct; skill and connection Vader thought only the Sith retained.
Been watching your vids for yrs, and I just wanted to say this was a great one. The way you broke down Vader killing Sidious to save his son was just spot on. Thanks as always!
Thank you for watching!
@@TheStupendousWave Thanks for your in depth continued work!
By far the greatest story breakdown, I've ever heard. On any level of fiction. Awesome stuff.
"You're coming with me. I'll not leave you here, I've got to save you!"
"You already have, Luke. You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister... you were right."
It's amazing how great this scene was back when it originally came out, and how much better it is now thanks to the extended universe.
Love that KOTOR explored the Jedi guardian, sentinel and counsellor roles.
We will never know it's like again. :'c
Yeah and the MMO SWTOR goes even deeper into that lore
God, what an absolutely fantastic franchise George Lukas (and every one else that had a hand in it) created. I simply love being a Star Wars fan
That vision you described of Vader and Luke being engulfed in flame puts Vader's warning to Luke on Endor into perspective.
"You don't know the power of the dark side."
The best thing about this is that anakin (and leia) had way more potential in the forced than luke. But it’s Luke’s unwavering heart and soul that made him the strongest Jedi to ever live.
Luke has the same force potential as Anakin.
@@Beyondlimits_400 potential is meaningless, it’s what y do with it that counts and anakin strived for power and was a warrior and Luke is what the comment just said, luke still the best jedi
UMMM NO. Luke was damn near anakin 2.0. Same potential. Same midichlorian count. Sorry.
And the new trilogy happens ☠️💩
@@the_fist_inyou4785 “what, am I supposed to just whip out my light sword and take out the whole empire?” ….why yes Luke……yes you are
Holy crap that edit job that had shots of Anakin's saber style from different movie scenes gave me chills that was so well done.
Well, this definiely gives more insight into why Vader did what he did in Episode VI. So many decisions to make with the most crucial being whether to save his son from Sidious or not, whether to turn him or not, whether he'll survive or not; there was a lot going through his head and I see that now.
If you think about it, the lightsabers of both father and son had both Jedi and Sith influences. Vader’s Sith saber powered by a Adegan crystal favored by the Jedi while Luke’s Jedi saber powered by a synthetic crystal favored by the Sith.
Legend was so great for those neat details.
@@jawstrock2215 yeah but now it’s just vader made a kyber crystal “bleed” and Luke just had a generic kyber crystal. Thanks disney
Man I really hate Disney's revamp of wands, I mean Lightsabers.
@@Goremejy Wasn't the kyber crystal bleeding a thing from before Disney? The jedi no longer acting according to the will of the force but making the force serve them, and by proxy, forcing their will on the crystal inside their lightsaber causing them to change color?
For some reason I remembered that disney just made every sith use a synthetic crystal or something akin to that.
@@TheBadDesperado you have it completely backwards. The old lore was that Jedi used natural crystals that they found, there were many different types. Because the Jedi pretty much had all the locations where the crystals could be found, it made it much harder for a sith to gain a crystal. To counter this they came up with a method to create synthetic crystals that they typically embued with the dark side while forging them. This resulted in a blade that was actually stronger than Jedi sabers and could on rare occasions overpower a Jedis blade. But the crystal was much more unstable and thus more dangerous to use. Originally after Luke lost his first lightsaber he went back to Obi wan’s hut, he used materials there to make his new saber and to make a new green synthetic crystal somehow.
Disney needs to just make it canon that Luke is using Qui-Gon's kyber crystal. It's the easiest fan service win since bringing Boba Fett back.
My thoughts exactly!
It’s the same kind of crystal anyway and yoda has a green saber
It's not even a natural crystal though, it's a synthetic crystal made the way darksiders do only luke poured his light into it to make it green
In legends, yes. The Mouse could fix this. (In Legends, Synthetic crystals could overload natural crystals and shut off the opponent's saber, or even destroy the crystal entirely).
@@patrickeasterling1781 that's not canon anymore unfortunately
Dude, I have been watching your videos here literally for years. What you just presented just might be the best take you've ever had. WOW! keep doing what you're doing bro! Mad respect. 👍😎
That transition from ep5 to ep6 was smooth as butter.
I suspect that Qui Gon Jinn reached out to Vader at some point after the events of The Empire Strikes Back - at the peak of his power, leading him on the path to redemption. If you look at everything Vader did in Return of the Jedi, it's almost as if he feigned being Darth Vader and everything he said just made Luke more determined to resist the emperor. It's like he knew the Emperor would lower his guard while trying to kill Luke and not see him as a threat - until taking him out with just one arm lol - it does make one wonder if it was planned,
Cool stuff. I always knew it was Anakin’s love for Luke that overcame the dark side in him, but the background of why that was so powerful, I didn’t know the details of. Makes sense.
Now this makes Vader's final moments even more emotive. T-T Damn ninjas cutting onions.
Fergie might think big girls don't cry but real men do.
Love, attachments and compassion are the fuel to the greatest Jedis that there have ever been. Love and compassion for others are the dark sides weakness. Vader/Anakin is a great character to show everything you loss is base on selfishness and being selfless by letting your self go for your own son to shine a brighter light than your own.
"Pass on what you have learned" -Yoda great quote for the series of star wars.
Darth Vader: "it seems you have constructed a new lightsaber."
-turns on Green lightsaber
Darth Vader: "indeed, you are powerful as the Emperor had foreseen."
Before all the lore came about. I used to think Green=Jedi Master.
Just have to say that was beautifully said man. Been a Star Wars fan since I was little, thanks to my dad. I was actually at a drive in, sleeping in a car seat while my parents and 2 older brothers watched it at the original release. I was at the same drive in for Empire as well, but I only remember seeing Return of the Jedi since I was born in 76. Thank you for the trips down memory lane, Star Wars was something special I shared with my sci Fi buff dad.
Another thing to add is that Sidious could always sense when Vader was going to betray him since he could sense how his hate would act. However Vader killed Sidious out of love. An emotion Sidious could not sense coming. Because of this Vader's vision was truer then ever had he killed Sidious with the dark side. Sidious would've defeated them both. Meaning the selfless act was actually necessary for Sidious defeat.
I'm glad I got this part of the story, I like it a lot. Especially the part about Vader examining Luke's LS. That fits so well bc he really does pay it more attention than I would usually expect. Gr8 vid!
I find the vision bit sort of lame.
But I find myself more and more appreciating the implications of Luke's green lightsaber.
Luke was fascinated by the mysteries of the force, he never strived to be a front line war hero even though he was willing to do so when he had to.
He wanted to convert his father, and generally negotiate with his opponents.
In legends Luke literally had to rebuild the Jedi order from scratch, and founded his own temple. He would have spent a ton of time meditating on the secrets of the force, studying all he could about the old order and do all of this basically by himself.
It makes more and more sense that Luke was a learned, enlightened master of the force.
More like Qui Gon letting the force guide him at all times, even sometimes to go against the strict Jedi order itself.
Luke represents what Anakin should have been.
If Only Disney learned from it
That is why I consider EU Luke to be the real Luke Skywalker not the hermit because it makes send that Luke learned about what caused the Jedi’s downfall, he learned about the archives from the old republic and he also mastered the light and the dark side of the force he also do d succeed at building a new and improved Jedi order while the hermit made the same order that obi wan , Qui Gon and Yoda warned him not to create , he had few students while Luke had hundreds of thousands that succeeded and became Jedi masters while he himself became a grandmaster.
Saving Luke was an act of selfless love prompted by an act of selfless love by Luke, who showed Vader love, understanding and compassion despite Vader's deeds.
Grandmaster Wave, just wanted to say that I've been watching your videos for years now and the quality has only gotten better since the time I joined. Excellent breakdown, I always feel the passion you have for Star Wars. It's never out of detest, it feels like it comes from the place that brought us all to Star Wars, fascination. May the force be with you always.
Thank you so much for your comment! May the force be with you too my fellow acolyte!
You're giving faaaaaar more thought to this story and arc than lucas ever did or anyone involved in the newer movies.
Beautiful video. Thank you for capturing the sense of vader's sacrifice to save his son.
Wasn’t ready to cry first thing this morning. Well put sir
With the way you present it, you're pretty much talking about how individuals come full circle. At the very beginning, coming up through the ranks, rising to the top, hitting a life-altering trigger point, hitting rock bottom, and finally finding your way back what you knew in the beginning.
Luke following in Qui Gon's footsteps.
Not dictated by Jedi rules and laws and fully immersing himself and trust into the Force.
I always loved green lightsabers and the fact that he used Qui-gon's crystal. Disney may not make it canon but i see it as a beautiful tribute
In Legends Luke created his own at Kenobi's hut which I always found more fitting. But that's just me.
@@majesticmsfc Yeah, the Qui-gon crystal makes *no* sense. Why would Luke have a connection to Qui-gon? Wouldn't it make more sense to have him recover Obi-wan's crystal because he actually had a connection to Obi-wan? I don't get why people like this Qui-gon crystal nonsense so much because it makes absolutely *zero* sense.
@@LeCharles07 I believe its widely regarded that Obi Wan was in possession of Qui-Gon's saber after Ep 1, and would have had it in his hut where Luke would disassemble and reassemble for practice. Then eventually keep the green crystal.
@@Sold07 plus it looks nicer in desert backdrop than a blue hue
@@Sold07 Widely regarded by who? The green crystal in Luke's lightsaber was a synthetic since the novelization of RotJ.
It was one of my all time favorite movie moments when Darth Vader with one arm sacrifice himself to kill the strongest Sith to have ever lived. There were multiple things to love about it, father protecting his Son etc. But for me it showed at the end it doesn’t matter how strong you are it’s how much will power and sacrifice you are willing to make to protect the ones you love.
The best villains are never solely evil. Love or fear usually drives them into darkness. In the case of Ani... it was both. This story only makes Vader a stronger character. It always broke my heart when he died. Even as a very young child, I seemed to see something more in him. That speaks to the depth of the acting and the concept itself. That it informed the expansion of his lore so much is just another testament to the genius of the work. George knew what he was doing when he made a father the villain.
My take - Luke's green Kyberr crystal was more than likely from Qui-Gon's lightsaber, and Vader/Anakin's prescience in the Force made a connection with it, and therefore started our fellow's return to the Light Side with Luke's help.
that's what I thought too!😀😀😀
I believe in legends it was somewhat confirmed that Luke's green crystal is synthetic (like Mauls originally was) but it was also debated that it could have been qui gons as Obi Wan was rumored to have taken three lightsabers into exile, his, Anakins, and Qui Gons.
In Canon, that's not been confirmed. In the Kenobi show you see Obi Wan buried both his and Anakins (in the sand no less), but there was a toy action figure of Kenobi on Tattooine where he had both sabers on his hip, and Qui Gons hilt was fastened to a back pack the action figure wore, which has given some credit to this theory being true as Obi Wan left specific instructions (and I believe some hard to find parts) in a box/journal he left for Luke (though idk how legit this toy/action figure is, I want to say it was Black series but it could have been a well made fan piece)
I agree that Luke's green lightsaber is likely powered by Qui Gons crystal, and I think it's been subtly confirmed that Obi Wan left the saber in the box (or at least a somewhat deconstructed version of it)
Fun Fact: the blanket Yoda burritos himself in before he dies in RotJ is actually Qui Gon Jinns recovered Jedi Cloak from Naboo from when he was killed by Maul
Why? Star wars doesn't need another McGuffin. Why can't Vader's change just be a result of one of the most fundamental of behaviors in nature, protecting his offspring? Luke never even knew about Qui-Gon, why should he have a connection with Qui-Gon's crystal? It was one thing when Obi-wan gave Luke his fathers lightsaber but he literally picked it up off the ground after de-limbing Anakin. We don't see any of this McGuffin shit until the sequels because it's bad writing designed for fan service instead of a good story. It strained suspended belief when Rey found Anakin's lightsaber halfway across the galaxy from Bespin because it was just lazy writing. Give me a _reason_ why.
In legends Khyber crystals weren't the only stones used. Any crystal with the right power and qualities would work. He'll lowbacca Chewbacca nephew was a Jedi and used old computer crystals and parts from tech equipment from yavin 4 base. Jacen solo found a Corsica gem he wanted to give his mom but he used it in a lightsaber. The blade was white with radiating colors of the rainbow because the gem was like a pure white diamond with flashing colors. Each blade was unique but the most common were blue or green. And Sith didn't bleed crystals they created them through Sith alchemy. It was part of their tests to prove their power. They were made by the user who poured all their hate and power into the crystal. And Luke's green blade was made same way in legends. He made it while living at obi wans old place on tattoine. It's a synthetic crystal he poured his power into. I never heard or saw any mention of khybur crystals in any legends novels or comics I have seen.
@@LeCharles07 Because Legends was all about McGuffins. As munch as it is cool to hate Disney for tossing out Legrnds, a lot of it was trash.
This totally makes sense to me. Vader I would argue was the more focused version of Anakin. He was more mature and learned from his mistakes, both in combat and in life in general. It made him a great Sith Lord and also opened the door for him to be a Jedi once more.
He was the more fearful version of Anakin, ironically enough
@@BoxBoy_99 because Vader thought he had lost everything he cared about: his family, friends, mentors and the Order. He blamed the Jedi and himself for what happened. Interesting enough Luke would show him the way out. Vader needed forgiveness and a new path and his son gave him both.
Luke was always Vader source of redemption and returned to the lightside of force
I think Vader is put in the same situation as when he was Anakin. The emperor was laying on the ground pleading with Anakin to help him and Anakin turned on his master. The next time, his son Luke is on the ground pleading with Vader (his father) to help him, and Anakin turns on his master.
Anakin's reoccuring purpose has been to save the one he loves. It started with his mother and he failed (turned a little to the dark side) and again when he couldn't save Padme (turned a lot to the dark side). This time, he wanted to save his son, and this time, he did.
This is a great scene. But my all time favorite scene in the Star Wars saga is Luke's triumphant declaration "you have failed your highness. I will never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
Vader became Anakin again in that moment. He saw that someone could stand up the the Emperor, and more importantly that it was his Son. He felt love and pride more than pain. He was a father. Luke's pleas and cries of pain sealed it all. No one, not even his Master, was going to harm his Son. Love conquered the Sith.
Another great thing about this is an Emperor would generally be referred to as your Majesty, Luke is blatantly disrespecting Palpatine by referring to him as lower than he is.
This was beautiful. You’re deep dives like this are very insightful and always make me think. Thank you!
I thought he was dissapointed cause he noticed the new lighrsaber was built from Obi Wan Kenobi's spare lightsaber parts. Looks like the lightsaber that amputated his leftover limbs too.
this is also why I love the idea of jedi loving, being able to use that love to escape the grasp of the dark side
A bit late, but after rewatching Clone Wars, I wanna know Anakin's thoughts once Sidious revealed himself and executed Order 66. The knowledge that everything that had happened to draw suspicion towards the Chancellor was correct, especially with the fact that Fives told him this and up until Ep 3, he didn't believe it, but then to have everything shatter before his eyes, I'd love to see his internal monologue of that
"Beep Boop" - Vader's inner monologue
I think once he killed those younglings he realized he kinda has his foot in the door already
I believe maybe it’s could be taken as a dejafu moment with everything collimating in that time!!!
It means so much to me personally that ...originally, "Vader" always was shown "this is the worst you will cause, the worst you can do." All of his visions, at least in the movies (even more in the novels) are showing him the worst case scenarios, but often OF HIS OWN ACTIONS. The only one that I recall that was otherwise was his mother in the hands of the raiders, but the tragedy there wasn't her horrible treatment and demise but the consequence that he chose. These visions were born of his fears, showing him the consequences of his actions, and he misinterpreted that MASSIVELY (YODA! DUDE! "much fear in you" THEN HELP THE BROTHER OUT!)
For some reason, the Force was showing him "DUDE. DON'T DO THIS or X" but because of the tragic Jedi "sequence of events," where they've become so devoted to their "cause" they've become entirely divorced FROM the Light Side.... that.... this.... I'm ellipses-ing because ....
.....I'm..... drunk? *Shakes her head clear*
But truly.... despite what we all think as a whole regarding the "prequels," Lucas' vision of the Vader tragedy and the Skywalker legacy is pretty damn sincere. If you're a philosophy student (first of all.... I'm so sorry) you see these progressions throughout the whole of Star Wars where the human story persists.... and oddly where it doesn't heh we all seem to innately hate it....
...but the point is "overcoming self" is the hardest thing you can ever do. Spiritually. The entire universe will seduce you into believing that the ends entirely justify the means, because the end goal is survival right? The Dark and the Light are both omnipresent, and they are NATURAL, very real. The more you turn towards the Light the brighter everything else seems, the more you look behind the greater the Shadow....
...but the more YOU look at the Light of what you think is good, the more likely you are to be blinded against your own sins' actions and fail to see the harm you may be doing....
...while the Shadow is always like "Nope, that was the goal in the first place, nothing wrong here."
That's the point, if you're on the side of the "Shadow" it's never wrong. On the Light? The Light is asking you to do a LOT, to think of consequences, balance, hope.... The Jedi as a religion removed themselves morally from the universe and the Force because they felt it made them more efficient, thus effective... because they "missed the point."
The Light is patient, and ever-loving. Not a "love" that requests something, but a love that is sure and steadfast. The *ENTIRETY* of Star Wars to me is summed simply in Luke's willingness to die for believing his father was once good. It wasn't a gamble he hoped would pay off (it was, of course it was....but he KNEW he would die for playing it) it was a sincere hope in what he believed was good, what he believed was Light. Obi-wan had seen so much he'd forgotten, and it took this ignorant child of a Jedi to place EVERYTHING in the hand of hope because he loved his father....
....not to save the universe or destroy the Sith. But simply to do what was right, a principle the Jedi had forgotten in their rules.
And thus "accidentally" to the outside observer, the "Prophecy" of the Chosen One was fulfilled. By simply reminding everything what love really was and meant.
Wow. That was beautiful. I dare say that was also sexy. >_< Sorry, I like girls who are good with words.... and use ellipses.... O_O
What do you mean by "the Jedi were so focused on their duty that they lost sight of the light?" Their duty being protection of the Republic? Or to their seeming obsession with removing themselves from conflicts of interest like love and personal affection?
Anyway, keep up the good work... and stay focused on the Light... **force cloaks into the Shadow and vanishes**
@@Tatefootball83I think the line “Dogmatic Views of the Jedi” is was she was referring I think
Damm, this video hit on all kinds of levels. So good.
Only in that moment Vader and Anakin decided to join forces to save the only important thing for both of them that they have in common, at least that's how i like to think it
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Just remember, Luke dies force thinking too hard and Palpatine’s descendant kill his nephew, takes his light sabre, name and legacy as her own. In short, Palpatine destroyed skywalker completely. Hurray for Disney!
Luke: Why'd you turn to the light?
Vader: Green
Got the green light.
This video is amazing- well done - fantastic work 😊
This is Palpatine messing with him. We know from the comics that Vader discovered Luke's identity before Palpatine did, and was looking to recruit him and overthrow the Emperor long before Empire Strikes Back. The truth is, he had to recruit and train Luke completely in-secret before Palpatine found out about him, because he knew that once Palpatine was aware of Luke, one way or another, his days were numbered. Either he would use Luke to replace him, or that he would order him to kill Luke.
In Episode 5, when Palpatine confirms what he suspects about Luke, Vader low-key panics. And I think Palpatine always knew that - based on the rule of two - Vader would want to overthrow him. But lets not forget, Anakin's Force Visions of Padme were no accident; they were a trick set by Palpatine to further Anakin's fall to the darkside. He sent those visions to make him worry and to further isolate him from the Council and therefore have no one else to turn to.
So therefore, I can't help but feel like a Vision of the Future, where Luke and Vader _win_ against Palpatine, that only ends with Palpatine's ghost destroying them _both?_ - Yeah, that's pretty sus to me.
Awesome video, nice explanation and it really fits in well and makes ROTJ make even more sense. Love your videos mate, the fact you do so much Legends is great.
I think this also shows that Vader was not a Sith, but merely a Dark Jedi who used a Sith title. True Sith, like Palpatine, are incapable of love and would never sacrifice themselves. Vader did both, which means that even at his darkest moments, he was still more Jedi than Sith whether he wanted to be or not.
You make some very good points.
I recall Tarkin speaking to Vader about the Jedi and referring to Vader as one.
Jedi are not supposed to kill their opponent. Anakin came out of vader and and threw old palpy down a shaft in his own thrown room
@@DaKaNgZ6 which is why he referred to him as a DARK jedi, reading comprehension is key my sexy lad 👍🏿
@Soldat Intelectual correct...Malgus was married before he eventually killed her lol.
Sith are capable of love. I believe that love is why Palpatine could heal himself with the Dark Side and live for as long as he did. Vader couldn't.
Who did Palpatine love? Himself. Think back to the prequels. Who is the happiest person throughout Episodes 1-3. Palpatine. He's almost gleeful at times.
Contrast that with Vader who hated himself. That's why Vader couldn't do the self healing magic that Palpy could.
I like the idea also that perhaps it brought him back to his vision when he tried to bleed his kyber crystal.
George Lucas has stated that Star Wars is about the tragedy and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. The Return of the Jedi is an excellent culmination of this story.
Good explanations, considering the original reason they made his lightsaber green, was so it would show up better against the background of the blue sky in the opening rescue of Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt. (did a paper on Star Wars for my color theory class)
Even if vader is against jedi, he still have strong heroic vibes.
Many people have this relationship with their own fathers. So many relate their lives to this story.
I hate everything that disney did to this franchise
There are whisperes that Luke’s green blade is from Qui-Gon’s kyber Crystal, so my thought is on top of this vision, Anakin hears Qui-Gon’s voice again once the emerald blade jumps from Luke’s handle, and that’s what first called to him, deep in the shell of Vader
Perhaps when Vader noticed Luke's green lightsaber, it reminded him of Qui-Gon. Considering that Qui-Gon was like a father to Anakin, and that the only thing left of Padme(which is Luke) was wielding it as a Jedi, just boosted Anakin's return to the light side.
There's also Leia, but of course, Vader still doesn't know about her yet here.
Star wars always hit me hard because i really understand Anakins pain, and that he tried to save his loved one but he didnt know how.
Luke was something new. He really had taken Yoda's description to heart. "...life creates it, makes it grow." Luke served the Force and the life and beings within it -- not the Republic, not a Sith lord.
I think Vader was stunned by the difference between the jedi he knew, and his son's caring and compassion. You can bet that if a jedi came to Luke about losing someone he loved, Luke would not have blown him off by telling the jedi to "Rejoice." Yoda was seriously out of touch by the end. So was Sidious. Everyone kept telling Luke that his emotions would bring him down. Instead it saved Anakin, helped destroy the Emperor, and freed the galaxy.
A green lightsaber is a beautiful, brilliant reminder of the life that creates the Force. Very appropriate for Luke.
........Until he tried to use it against his nephew due to the mere fear that he might turn, went into exile, tossed aside any relic, weapon or sign of the Jedi presented to him and drowned his sorrows in green cowfish milk........
It's truly sad to see that happen to him.......I mean.......What could've happened to drown out the hopeful side and nature he had? What destroyed that innate ability to see the best in people, even at their absolute worst, and that drive to bring them back out of their darkest state and into the light? What made Luke change into someone who would strike at someone if there was even a chance that they were a threat, almost like the Sith he, and his father, were meant to destroy?
@@19TheFallenDisney trash isn't canon. Mark Hamill himself said that the Luke portrayed in the " Sequels " was a stupid idea, he wasn't happy at all. It's not canon.
@@squirrel4788 I agree that they're stupid, and I don't truly accept it as canon. It's why I question them so severely, like I did above. You don't take a story and the characters in it that were created by someone else, flip them on their heads and get off question or scorn free.....I really, and truly was left thinking "That's not Luke......" when I saw him in _The Last Jedi._ The same way I thought "That's not Leia....." when I saw her in it......They took two characters and made them the opposite of what they were. Two characters full of hope in the face of adversity and turned them into hopeless grumps....And they have the gall to wonder why people think "Well, this sucks!"
I don't consider anything in the sequels as "canon." George Lucas took the stories we had been telling around campfires for half a million years, and put them in a new setting. That's why they touch the heart. Disney had great actors, wonderful settings, and then went the company route. If they killed off the "older" characters, Disney would own Star Wars' new characters, Characters they could market endlessly. They never had any idea of why we're still talking about the OT almost 50 years later. Disney only saw dollar signs, that's why they failed.
This is very beautifully put and profound. The relationship of a child and parent is infinitely complex but also in essence very simple at its core. The love one feels for a person is the best of you and also vulnerable to you as you are with your child. Watching them grow and having a direct hand in guiding there path but also knowing you don't have as much control over another as you think. Loving someone no matter what and knowing that love is unbreakable and you will do anything to keep them safe from any danger. Learning that self-sacrifice is the way of true love and the only reason we all are here. And the ultimate knowledge that just as we need an earthly father we also need a heavenly spiritual Father to guide us.
You know after watching Star Wars for 46 years, I can't help but think that if I was a Jedi or a Sith, I would simply use the force to switch off my opponents Lightsaber as I deliver the killing stroke.
idk, you can lift things with the force but I don't know if you can use it to push buttons 🤷♀
Premonition dreams have usually always been the main drive for where my life goes. They freak me out how real they feel.
Vader is the ultimate Sith imo. "Through power, I gain victory." If nothing else can be said about Vader, dude wins above all else. Even if victory meant his death, as well
Vader was a powerful sith but had many flaws. He was more of a slave to the dark side. His feelings for his son and padme held him back. Plus he never took a apprentice and killed his master, thus taking over as the sith emperor. He never really seemed to study the darkside of the force and expand his knowledge.
I feel like Vader WOULD'VE been the ultimate Sith but the fact that he was a Jedi for many years held him back imo. Not to mention, he was still attached to Padme and what could've been instead of purely being consumed with power. Yes Vader wanted power, but it came at a great price, he lost his wife and pretty much most of his body. Once Vader had the power of the Dark Side under his control, he spent most of his time using the Dark Side as a way to bring back the dead to life, mainly Padme. He did whatever Sidious asked of him, but I think he mainly was obsessed with the promise Sidious made to him in Revenge of the Sith. Sidious was obsessed purely with power. He didn't care for anyone or anything. He craved only power, and he understood that having connections on an emotional level would limit him from doing what he did in the galaxy. I mean we even see in Legends that Palps killed his family in cold blood and never ever seems to regret that decision. Vader always regretted what he did. That was the main thing that stopped Vader from truly being an ultimate Lord of the Sith. He couldn't ever truly let go of his past. That's always been what held Vader/Anakin back.
You are right Luke did represent what Anakin never was. The chosen one.
i dont think he was shocked. I think he was amused, impressed even.
Beautiful, never looked at it from this perspective
I'm sure most of us know the real reason his lightsaber was green. Lucas said that in the outside Jabba the hutt scenes at the Sarlacc pit, he had to change the lightsaber color to something other than blue because it would be harder to see with the blue sky background
Maybe the green lightsaber reminded Vader to stop cooping indoors and go outside and touch some grass... bringing him back to the light side...😊
@@finding_aether haha or maybe it should have been yellow to remind Vader of sand that he hates so much ;)
@@frankanon4450 lmao. He would have won the duel and defeat Palpatine.
Love and family prevail! ❤ This shows that at Darth Vader's core there was still good as Luke had said.
Here is the theory...Palpatine paid to have Shmi killed and placed the visions in Anakin's head.....he placed the vision of Padme dieing in his head and knew if Anakin turned to the dark side it would kill Padme. So the vision of luke was also more than likely put into Vader's head by the Emporer to control Vader and keep him loyal. Knowing it would play into Vader's fear of Luke Dieing.
possibly, there was actually a sidious clone in legends too, who was apparently a beast because he'd transferred his knowledge except now he wasn't a decrepit 80 something year old man. Luke was devoted to learning all that time rather than galactic conquest, so he was a lot stronger than he may have been otherwise. Movie vader and luke would have been wrecked by clone sidious. Then again long drawn out plots implanting hallucinations is something he'd totally do too.
You opened my eyes to concepts I hadn't thought of before. Great video.
Nice video, but here is the real reason his light saber is green. After filming, when they went to color it in post, it was going to be blue, but when they were on Jabba's ship, they couldn't distinguish between the blue of the saber and the sky, so the easiest fix was to make it appear green.
Very true. But you know how Star Wars fans love to draw shapes in clouds and make things up. Lol
I mean, I’m one of them.
In my headcanon - Luke found Qui Gon's lightsaber in Obi Wan's hut on Tatooine and used the green crystal for his own saber.
When I was building my own lightsaber at Disneyland, I was gonna go for green, but I decided to go with blue
Are they as junk as I have heard? Reports that I have read say that the lightsabers crap out in maybe three months time, and Disney will not repair or replace them.
No. Their really cool. Because I’ve had mine for five months now and it’s still in perfect condition
@@djnavarro3212 OK good to know. Thanks for letting me know.
Yeah no problem. And all of those reports are just people not knowing how to take care of their lightsabers
In addition to containing Qui-Gons crystal, it’s worth mentioning that Luke followed Jedi tradition by modeling the hilt after that of his first master Obi-Wan (something Anakin broke with).
what if the green blade reminded Vader of Qui Gon.😐😐
I like in the deleted scenes when Luke is building his lightsaber on Tatooine, the controller alternates between red (Sith) and green (Jedi) lights, and he chooses green.
I’m glad Vader came back, however, I always have issue with him being referred to as Sidious’s slave. He was never a slave. He chose this path, even if he could never find a way from under Palp’s thumb, he found himself there of his own accord.
he literally was a slave so was his mother. Their owner was Watto in episode 1
Shakespeare.. the rise and and fall of a great hero, and his ultimate redemption through his son.
This video is genuinely beautiful, great job!
I wish the deleted scene of Luke constructing it was in film best I got was in the brilliant and underappreciated book shadows of the empire by Steve Perry
Fantastic commentary over some amazing lore. Thank you for this insight within this holocron.
Beautiful analysis. So powerful. Thank you.
"Indeed you are POWERFUL"
I see you have constructed a new lightsaber, your skills are complete.
Indeed you Are Powerful, as the Emperor has Foreseen.